9th Circuit Court of Appeals Doesn't Seem Inclined to Let Medical Marijuana Card Holders Buy Guns, Suspects Lawyer in Wilson v. Lynch
In 2011, Rowan Wilson sued the U.S. government over part of its gun laws policies. She insisted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATFE) interpreted Sect. 922(g) of the federal criminal code (from the 1968 federal Gun Control Act) in a way that prevented her from legally buying a gun, just because she held a state of Nevada medical marijuana permit. And she thought that was wrong, for a lot of reasons.

A gun dealer who knew Wilson socially and was aware she has a medical marijuana card refused to sell her a gun, aware of a BATFE policy which had been reiterated in a September 2011 memo that read in part: "there are no exceptions in federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by State law…."
Even such card holders still fell afoul of 922(g), which says that anyone "who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance" is basically barred from legally possessing or receiving guns or ammo.
Wilson thought this policy violated her Second Amendment rights, as well as her First Amendment rights, since she maintains there's an expressive element to her signing up for the card (especially since at the time, her lawyer Chaz Rainey says, no functioning legal system existed by which one could use the card to buy pot legally in Nevada).
The suit also contained a Fifth Amendment challenge, since Wilson claimed her due process rights were violated by the presumption she was an "unlawful user" of drugs on no actual evidence. (Having a state-issued medical pot card does not equal illegal use of a drug.)
In March 2014, U.S. District Court Judge Gloria Navarro ruled against Wilson. She appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Navarro relied heavily on a 2011 9th Circuit case, U.S. v. Dugan, which declared that "[h]abitual drug users, like career criminals and the mentally ill, more likely will have difficulty exercising self-control, particularly when they are under the influence of controlled substances." This declaration in Dugan allegedly backs up the idea that a compelling state interest is pursued by keeping Wilson from legally buying a gun.
As Rainey told me at the time, "Dugan is like two paragraphs long, no analysis…Our core argument all along is, Dugan is just wrong and needs to be overturned at least in part. Dugan takes an outlier situation in which we have clear obvious criminal conduct and says, well, because he was dealing in massive amounts of controlled substances, the applicability of this federal law prohibiting him from having firearms is constitutionally justifiable."
Dugan had just two paragraphs of analysis, and concluded:
we see the same amount of danger in allowing habitual drug users to traffic in firearms as we see in allowing felons and mentally ill people to do so. Habitual drug users, like career criminals and the mentally ill, more likely will have difficulty exercising self-control, particularly when they are under the influence of controlled substances.
Moreover, unlike people who have been convicted of a felony or committed to a mental institution and so face a lifetime ban, an unlawful drug user may regain his right to possess a firearm simply by ending his drug abuse….Because Congress may constitutionally deprive felons and mentally ill people of the right to possess and carry weapons, we conclude that Congress may also prohibit illegal drug users from possessing firearms.
Unlike Dugan, Rainey points out his client Rowan Wilson "was never prosecuted for anything, never found pot on her, never found her dealing, merely found her to have a registry card issued by a state." Dugan had been running both pot and weapon sales operations out of his home, a somewhat different circumstance than being granted by a state the legal right to possess marijuana for medical use.
In late July, a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit held hearings on the Wilson appeal.
"It was a very hot bench," Rainey says, meaning they had a lot of question. "I think you can tell from the questioning that we have a really uphill battle on our hands." Rainey's guess about the tone and tenor of the judge's questioning of him is that "the judges will probably rule against us."
He admits his guess is "not conclusive" and he fully intends, if they lose this appeal, to appeal further to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Rainey is happy that the 9th Circuit even had the hearings, rather than just dismissing the case or ruling on the written pleadings. "The fact they held oral arguments means they are taking the [issues involved] at least moderately seriously." Guessing what might happen is complicated by the fact the Supreme Court in its Second Amendment jurisprudence has not yet settled what level of scrutiny a court is supposed to apply to laws implicating the Second Amendment.
Rainey believes, though, that an implication of Justice Antonin Scalia calling the right for self-defense in the home implicated in the 2008 Heller case "fundamental" means that the scrutiny standard should be "strict" (which would require a law narrowly tailored to further a compelling government interest).
He fears, though, that the 9th Circuit (like many courts post-Heller) will be using "intermediate" scrutiny instead, usually meaning that the court can conclude the law furthers an important government interest by means substantially related to that interest.
The lower scrutiny level means a given law is more apt to pass constitutional muster in a court's eyes. When it comes to guns, various courts have assumed that intermediate scrutiny is the best a Second Amendment claim can get if it isn't from a law abiding citizen to begin with. That idea can create a circular problem with cases like Wilson's.
For example, Judge Navarro more or less said in her 2014 decision that Wilson's Fifth Amendment due process argument—that the government was declaring her an illegal drug user without due process—didn't apply, because they'd already decided an illegal drug user did not have the applicable Second Amendment right. In other words, if druggies don't have rights, it doesn't matter how we decided you are a druggie, which doesn't quite make sense to me though it apparently did to Judge Navarro.
A 2012 4th Circuit Court of Appeals case called U.S. v. Carter applied "intermediate scrutiny" to a different case involving a known drug user's gun rights. The court stated in that case that the government nonetheless needed to prove, not just assert, that keeping drug users from owning guns furthered an important government interest.
Encouraging, but what the court went on to write is less so for Second Amendment rights when they rub up against the war on drugs:
This burden should not be difficult to satisfy in this case, as the government has already asserted in argument several risks of danger from mixing drugs and guns. For example, it claimed that due to the illegal nature of their activities, drug users and addicts would be more likely than other citizens to have hostile run-ins with law enforcement officers, which would threaten the safety of the law enforcement officers when guns are involved. It claimed that because drug users and addicts would "necessarily interact with a criminal element when obtaining their drugs," their transactions in the black market would present far greater risks of violence(including gun violence) than lawful commerce.
Again, those considerations that the 4th Circuit brought to bear in Carter are a very different set of circumstances than being, as Wilson was at the time, a home health care specialist with the legal right in Nevada to use marijuana medicinally.
As far as Wilson in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals goes, lawyer Rainey felt he detected some possible bad attitude on the part of the judges, a sense that mixing marijuana with the Second Amendment meant that they were imagining the issue was about "crazy backwoods redneck potheads who want their guns, marginalizing my client and people like her."
Win or lose, Rainey at least hopes for a written opinion that is "well thought out and lengthy." These issues "deserve that level of attention." But he does fear that the apparent reliance on Dugan, a very short and ill-argued opinion, might mean he'll be disappointed.
Rainey suspects from the oral arguments that his First and Fifth Amendment arguments are barely being considered by the judges, though he insists given the general uselessness of actually possessing the marijuana card in Nevada in 2011 that "I firmly believe everyone who obtained the card were essentially saying I want to be counted [among citizens in support of medical pot] and it seems to me that is a form of speech or at least association that should be afforded protection."
Rainey also thinks the judges might be trying to see an out in the fact that the statute relies on the federal firearms licensee selling the gun having a reasonable cause to believe the potential buyer is an unlawful user, and suggested perhaps a card holder should just keep that info to themselves. However, the form the buyer has to sign requires them to disclose if they are an unlawful user. A card holder like Wilson might not think they are. She left that part of her form blank during the aborted gun sale that launched this case. But a card holder might also know that apparently the government disagrees, and believes being a card holder does make you ineligible for a legal gun purchase.
Rainey is darkly amused at the whole "no fly list" and gun controversy that arose long after his appeal in Wilson was filed. He roughly reads that controversy as saying that it is current government policy that having the FBI suspect you of being a terror threat is not sufficient reason to keep you from buying a gun, but having a state-issued medical marijuana card is such a reason.
"That shows the real intent" of the BATFE's application of 922(g) to card holders, says Rainey, "has nothing to do with public safety. It's to do with stopping a political movement [for medical pot] by using whatever arrows are in its quiver."
Rainey is arguing, first, that the BATFE should not apply 922(g) to people like Wilson and in the alternative, that if a court decides that the BATFE's policy is totally in line with the statute as written, then the statute itself should be considered an illegitimate Second Amendment violation.
Rainey says he's been fighting this case almost entirely pro bono and without institutional support.
As an addendum for those who enjoy playing in the legal weeds, what follows are quotes touching on the core arguments contained in Rainey's appeals filing with the 9th Circuit:
[The BATFE's] Open Letter is a substantive change to existing law, issued without the requisite notice and comment period required under the APA [Administrative Procedures Act]. Moreover, Plaintiff asserts that the Open Letter is part of a coordinated effort to curtail the Constitutional rights of all medical marijuana registry card holders (hereinafter referred to as "Registry Cardholders") in a deliberate attempt to quell a political movement. As such, the Open Letter: (1) violates Plaintiff's procedural due process rights as embodied in the Fifth Amendment by defining her as a criminal and depriving her of certain rights without any notice, hearing or other adjudicative process; (2) violates Plaintiff's substantive due process rights by impinging upon her fundamental rights to free speech, association, and to bear arms; (3) violates Plaintiff's First Amendment rights by punishing her for the mere exercise of those rights; (4) violates Plaintiff's Second Amendment rights by depriving her of the ability to purchase a handgun for self-protection based solely on her possession of a Registry Card; and (5) violates the Equal Protection Clause by treating Plaintiff differently from similarly situated individuals…..
Plaintiff states a procedural due process claim because she has identified the plausible existence of both a deprivation of a constitutionally protected liberty or property interest and a denial of adequate procedural protections. The protected liberty or property interest is the right to obtain and possess a handgun, which the United States Supreme Court has identified as a fundamental individual right under the Second Amendment. Here, there were absolutely no procedural protections in place to prevent the unjustified deprivation of Plaintiff's fundamental right to obtain and possess a handgun. Instead, the ATF unilaterally concluded that possession of a Registry Card is the same thing as illegally using controlled substances in violation of federal law and without any opportunity for affected persons to respond issued its Open Letter depriving Plaintiff and a large swath of the population from exercising their right to obtain and possess firearms and ammunition.
Plaintiff has stated a substantive due process claim because she has identified a liberty right in the ability to choose a course of medical treatment which is not subsumed by the First and Second Amendments….Plaintiff has stated an equal protection clause claim because the Plaintiff has shown that she is being treated differently from similarly situated individuals. Specifically, Plaintiff is being treated differently from those who have a right to use medical marijuana under the laws of states that do not issue registry identification cards. The ATF's open letter aims solely at persons who live in states where registry identification cards are mandated for the ability to access medical marijuana….
The ATF has not presented any evidence that a Registry Cardholder is more likely than not to actually be using marijuana at all times, nor has the ATF presented any evidence demonstrating that a Registry Cardholder is more likely to engage in violent crime than any non-cardholder….
The District Court erred in dismissing Plaintiff's Second Amendment claims. The District Court's reliance on United States v. Dugan to uphold §922(g)(3) is misplaced given the extreme disparity between the facts of Dugan and the facts of this case….
The District Court erred in dismissing each of Plaintiff's claims with prejudice because any defect in the Plaintiff's claims could be fixed by amendment. Thus, at the very least, the Court should have provided the Plaintiff with an opportunity to amend her claims after the decision on the Motion to Dismiss was rendered….
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This is a pivotal issue, allsorts of derp is assured.
I fail to see how "holding a card" is very-different than if i walked into a gun-shop wearing this t-shirt and stinking like the parking lot of a dead-show.
I was once a card-carrying 'minister' for some fabricated church. it was because someone asked me if i would perform a wedding ceremony which never actually took place. Having a card or having signed up for any petition or whatever is exactly what the person claimed - its just 'speech'. it does not imply any action or behavior regardless of what it "suggests". If you want to bar someone from any 'illegal' behavior, then you should have to have a conviction. You shouldn't be able to deny people's rights without due process.
I wonder what happens if you dress your baby in that onesie and bring it into the gun-shop with you?
I had a card from "The Church of Gospel Ministry" in Chula Vista California when I was a kid.
Gun "rights" aren't real, therefore any pretense is acceptable for revoking them since the end goal is a total ban anyway.
/prog
I'm still a ULC minister. I haven't ordained anyone in many years, though.
Lesson learned. Never follow the law.
No cards, no registration, no permits, no problem.
Questions for Brian Doherty-
Was Wilson also prohibited from purchasing ammunition for a weapon already owned?
Was this her first firearm purchase?
Would the ruling prohibit her accepting a firearm she might inherit?
Under the ruling would she have to give up any firearms owned before the ruling?
IKYANAL, but if you could try to give some type of answer, I thank you in advance.
The answer is, it doesn't matter, because FYTW.
I know that is the final answer, as it always it, I was just hoping Doherty could flesh out the article a little more.
Sigh. Someday we're (well, I'll probably be dead) going to look back at inanity like this and wonder what the hell we were thinking.
I'm sure the court will rule for the right of the people.
Her Satanic Majesty
"And Dr. Ben Carson, who may run the Department of Health and Human Services in a Trump administration, tried to tie Clinton to the devil two weeks ago during his Republican National Convention speech.
"The former secretary of state, Carson said, was a disciple of far-left activist Saul Alinsky ? who dedicated his book 'Rules for Radicals' to 'Lucifer, the original radical who gained his own kingdom.'"
The headline and photo caption make it look as if the dedication was simply an allegation by Dr. Carson.
The dedication is real.
Hillary did a college research paper on Alinsky in 1969, which to be fair is a couple of years before the infamous dedication.
If she weren't running on being a "great kid" (Weld's words, but a theme of the Democratic Convention), then it wouldn't be fair to talk about her 1960s and 1970s antics.
He went full Chavez?
Useful link to have: Mitt Romney's deal with the devil
(the devil being Trump, in fact)
You know, the court kind of has a legitimate leg to stand on...kind of. Marijuana is still illegal federally and there's no legal usage anywhere, really. What we have is quasi-legality or a law not being enforced in some areas of the country, but spineless politicians who won't change the laws. They just don't want to be accountable for doing their actual jobs.
I don't think the court has a leg to stand on.
The whole 'druggies can't have guns because they're dangerous people' is based on a simple assertion by the government without providing any supporting evidence (the government has not had to *prove* this assertion) *and* the whole danger of druggies to law enforcement or the danger of druggies interacting with criminals is completely down to the government making drugs illegal in the first place - ie the danger comes from prohibition and law enforcement procedures for dealing with drug users.
"I don't think the court has a leg to stand on"
Well, you're wrong. Their reasoning is anti-freedom, but legally, they have something.
All they have is an unproven assertion underpinning this prohibition.
That's the problem. The Feds don't have that right.
Oh, is this about the so-called "constitution" you're always babbling about?
/sarc
I know, right?
While, the 9th can refer back to a long line of precedent whether we like it or not. Hence why the lawyers are arguing based on due process rather than questioning whether it the government has the right to restrict second amendment rights based on drug abuse/dependence or drug prohibition itself.
The current 'leave it to the states' argument is really a cop out for federal lawmakers.
It is odd that the lawyers here have also emphasized that this is some part a war on pot by the court. It looks more like they don't want to give icky guns back to people and look for any reason they can to ban them. It isn't so much about an attack on marijuana users as it is gun owners, would be my guess. Though I'm engaging in mind reading here. No one would ever argue your first amendment rights go away because you smoke weed. Well, almost no one.
Funnily enough - if drug users are, like the mentally ill, less likely to have 'self-control' and that is sufficient justification to no longer recognize a 2nd amendment right, doesn't that open the door to the removal of *all* rights?
No 1st Amendment rights because you might make 'true threats'.
No 4th Amendment rights because you're more likely to engage in criminal activity.
No 5th - because we say so in Dugan.
At no point did Wilson admit to using nor did the feds charge and prove Wilson used drugs. The only thing Wilson did was apply for and receive a state issued license for the use of med marajuana. The feds had issued a letter stating that a gun dealer could not sell a gun to someone using drugs, even if that drug was legal according to the state. A dealer, only knowing Wilson had a card but no proof of actual use, denied Wilson the purchase of a gun... at the feds direction.
The feds said that a non-criminal action (getting a state issued license) constituted enough grounds to deny someone their 2A all without proving any actual criminal activity. Thus, a card holder was deprived the use of a right without due process. The feds have no legs to stand on except FYTW and brute violence to intimidate people into cooperation with fed dictates.
This is how our, and I mean all of us, constitutional rights are going to come to an end. The government can now strip you of your constitutional rights for any number of reasons. They can seize your property, just because. They don't even need to tell you why, instead of owning a medical marijuana card, they can just put you on a secret list, and you won't know how you got on there, and there will be no way to get off. The constitution is dead and the rule of law along with it.
The fact that "Too dangerous to fly too dangerous to own a gun" meme is not laughed out of the house is solid and depressing evidence that you are right. Let's not even get into Obama's claim that he can assassinate american citizens "just cuz"
And the mouth breathers lap this stuff up.
I am pretty sure he actually says he can assassinate Americans because FYTW. I will look for it, pretty sure it was on YewTewb.
I double checked. The exact quote was
"Let me be clear ... cuz FYTW"
Speaking of the Constitution, Khizr Khan is live now on CNN talking about how enforcing federal immigration law is unconstitutional.
Would someone *kindly* show me where ....?
He also said never in the history of the country have gold star mothers rebuked a president or candidate like they have Trump. No clue on how to begin to research that assertion.
It's Clinton-speak, Rufus. It depends on what the meaning of "like" is.
You can certainly start with Ms. Smith at the RNC ...
Nah. I think I'm gonna read up on Puig being demoted or possibly traded by the Dodgers.
Man... you'd think HE was running for president.
The guy is a fuckwit Donk prop.
Just like the trolls around here pay him no mind.
It has been pointed out before, but Khan is stumping for a principle architect of the war in which his son was killed. WTF?
Let's also not forget the image of his wife standing silently behind him, eyes downcast and wearing a hijab.
The Hihnster is out tonight pounding the Paulistas. Go gettem' Mikey.
Why is Khan constantly on TV lecturing?
I'm starting to get a little suspicious.
"Who *is* this guy?!"
I know, right?
"KHAAAAN!"
Because the left is desperately seeking out the 2016 version of Romney's "47% don't pay taxes" moment. Shit throwing at the wall.
It seems like so trivial an issue to be hammering at. I understand *why* they're doing it though. They want to show how much class Trump lacks and all that.
And Trump seems more than willing to oblige.
Yeh, I don't get that part. Either he truly is an idiot who thinks this way or he's a master trolling and we're just living in his world. I saw nothing to be gained in this except to give the Democrats ammunition.
Yeah, his staff should have made it clear there is NO upside there.
Perhaps in the Washington echo chamber. I, for one, am sick of the conflation of grief with sacrifice. The Khans did not sacrifice, their son did. Nor is their son's death a shield that they can hide behind while slinging accusations at a political convention. Trump did not seek the Khans out and thrust them onto a stage. They chose to do that and to use their son's death as their prop. Reap the whirlwind.
^this +12 Courics
well said
And the conflation of government service with heroism.
It's like he's trying to make his kid into a martyr or something.
Trump-worthy!
Cindy Sheehan made a career out of that, so long at an R occupied the WH.
Rufus The Monocled|8.1.16 @ 10:37PM|#
"Why is Khan constantly on TV lecturing?"
Given that TV time ain't cheap, I think the answer will be obvious once we find out who's paying the invoice.
"As a courtesy to our brave Gold Star Parents, ...."
Who will find this out?
No reasonable prosecutor.
And it's odds-on that NBC / CBS / NYT / ABC / Hearst / WaPo / etc won't find it worthwhile to do so.
Rufus The Monocled|8.1.16 @ 11:27PM|#
"Who will find this out?"
OK, I talked with Welsh at a function in SF and the time is obvious in that I asked whether Reason was gonna get *financially* involved in defending/repatriating Snowden. He said no, Reason served to spread the word.
Well, to be honest, my contribution has fallen over the last couple of years, as it looks like Reason pays writers to make good arguments why the government should butt out, but manages to deliver no measurable result at all (ignoring the skwerrilzs, which result is nothing to brag about)
So, I know the jacket hangs out where nothing much happens, but it seems Welsh is in the thick of things. Hey, Matt! Want the medium bucks this year? Tell us who's covering the costs for this guy's TV time.
Metrics, Matt, metrics! IJ delivers the goods, you should too.
I'll add:
None of this is intended to assist Trump; he deserves nothing of the sort.
The intent is to make Shrill somehow answer for her sins, which are a legion.
Wait... Hillary AND Trump are bad? I don't get it. You aren't making sense.
/average American
The media has gone apeshit trying to turn this guy into the "Anti-Trump" spokesman all weekend.
It doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
I don't think anyone cares if it makes no sense, because it has filled up space/time where Bernie-voters might have been learning more about how badly Hillary & the DNC fucked them in the ass. They've used this as "change the subject" device.
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Flea tending bar ... who's the waitress ...
Super-clever HuffPo writer figures out that ISIS and the NRA are totally similar.
He's finally cracked the code, people! If you're an NRA member it's time to give up principled gun-rights advocacy, you've been outed!
Institutionally, both organizations are remorseless about the deaths of victims
Kind of like Obama and his drone strikes?
Both use fear and intimidation to obtain their objectives
Kind of like the anti-gun groups who claim that you are almost certain to be ventilated by a mass shooter every single day unless you bow down and accept the latest proposed disarmament scheme?
Both assume their ideology is superior to the wishes of the majority of citizens
Somehow, I don't think this "progressive" moron would be so respectful of the majority opinion if we were talking about some deep red state banning gay marriage or abortion. The "will of the people" is just an excuse to justify the government's actions that they happen to agree with.
Both have intensely loyal followers
See: Obama fanboys
Both recruit and indoctrinate members who are ignorant of the basic facts
Oh, kind of like those anti-gun groups whose members believe that "assault weapons" are a special, super-dangerous class of firearms that fire exploding bullets from the shoulder things that go up?
The dulcet tones of Richard Cheese performing "Hot for Teacher"
His Nine Inch Nails is spectacular.
Here ya go
Thank you
More please
Check my 12:15 AM post below
Unless you were being sarcastic
which is of course unlikely
Now I have to go find my copy of that album
Cultural appropriation
Oldie but goodie -
"Hold my beer and listen to this"
I'm not saying this is a *good* Beastie Boys cover, I'm saying that it's *a* cover
Are you ready to rock?
Have you seen this Ray Charles video? You haven't? We know *his* excuse, what's yours?
There's a hidden subtext here
Anyone want to hear a good Philip Souza march?
Any suggestions?
Really? He *did* write other marches, you know.
Okay, then, have it your way
Oops, *John* Philip Souza
The Thunderer FTW!
More hidden subtext.
I Am a Man of Constant Sorrow
Johnny Cash, "Ain't No Grave"
Louis Armstrong, "Go Down, Moses"
Richard Cheese has back
The Adventures of Richard Cheese and the Monkey of Brass
If anyone could make Delaware sound fearsome, this guy could (hint: not Joe Biden)
I've noticed less and less of that "nobody wants to take your guns away" line in recent years. I think it's becoming obvious that the government will look for any excuse to bar someone from gun ownership, and all but the most hard-line "progressives" are having trouble saying that line with a straight face.
You might as well presume that a driver's license held by someone who drinks means s/he drives drunk.
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