#SaveMarinaJoyce and the Fickle Nature of 'Compassionate' Meddlers
The wages of collective compassion


This week many fans of YouTuber Marina Joyce, who posts videos on her channel about make-up and fashion tips, decided she must be in danger. Joyce didn't say so, and even told fans multiple times she was not in danger, but internet users, as internet users are wont to do, began to pull details from her recent videos to concoct a theory about Joyce being abused or kidnapped, possibly even by ISIS for use as a lure in an upcoming terrorist attack. There were so many calls to local police (Joyce lives in England) that they went to her house to check on her and tweeted that she was fine.
Eventually, Joyce's mother revealed she was suffering from schizophrenia. Joyce herself had repeatedly expressed surprise at people's concerns, and in a livestream described it as a "publicity stunt started by my viewers, not me." So the online mob that formed to dish out some collective "compassion" turned on her. The quote was passed around Twitter and the internet with the "by my viewers" part cut out. People who had spent days reading about Joyce and trying to "figure out" what happened were now angry, not with themselves for wasting time and bothering a stranger they might like to watch on YouTube based on their interpretations of her life, but with Joyce.
A Twitter search of the #SaveMarinaJoyce hashtag will find some sympathetic comments, and a lot of folks with no connection to Joyce except possibly subscribing to her YouTube channel or following her on Twitter (both of which they are always free to stop doing) expressing anger that Joyce wasn't clearer about not having been kidnapped or held hostage. How much clearer could she be?
The story of #SaveMarinaJoyce, which started less than a week ago, is illustrative of the same emotional inputs involved in bad policies pushed in the name of helping someone or something, from the drug war to the effort to "rescue" sex workers to "humanitarian" interventions like the one in Libya. They begin under the guise of compassion, and when it turns out a lot of people aren't necessarily interested in the kind of "compassion" that comes with coercion, the boot comes down. The widely reviled 1994 crime bill, which contributed to rising incarceration rates, is still defended under the premise lawmakers had to do something to "help" with crime. Hillary Clinton eventually started to blame an "obstructionist" Libyan government for the aftermath of the U.S.-backed intervention. The changing mob reaction captured in #SaveMarinaJoyce is as good an example of any why "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" can be such a dangerous phrase. Government is just a word for the meddling we want to do together.
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'Wretched creatures' as Machiavelli described humans.
Speaking of witches and burning them alive, ever notice (of course you did) terms climate change goofballs use to derisively describe skeptics?
For example, words like 'denier' and calls for outright censorship and imprisonment.
It's reminiscent of darker days.
Of course they resort to that because their cause isnt convincing on its face.
beth loves cake, so
Of course. They all do, they all love cake.
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Crime rates way down since video games turned violent. Just sayin.
The point that people are assholes still stands.
what? what is this? I feel like I am getting old as I increasingly hate the generation below me..
I think there's a new game just for you, it's called Pokemon Get Off My Lawn.
Come on, Eddie. You could have done better.
Pokemon Go the Fuck Away
Pokemon Go Fuck Yourself
Choked on my dark chocolate cookie snack.
Hey - I'll be in South Hero Aug 20-27. I'm sure to be at the pizza place once or twice. Let me know if you're passing through!
Hm.
Might be an interesting prospect. I've been meaning to visit someone but can't seem to find the time.
*showers Kristen with Oscars*
Pretty sure redtube has a channel for that already
Thanks Ed. I had no idea there were incredibly stupid people on the Internet.
Alt text winner.
Je suis Marina.
Yes, it's always Trump's fault.
ALWAYS.
/Suderman et al.
WAT EVUR HAPPEN TO LOCKEN YUR CRAZYSISTER IN THE BASEMENT LIKE NORMAL FOLK
NOW THEY PUTEM ON THE INTERTUBES
They have internet in locked basements now, Dennis.
Hey Dennis, thanks for that Camp Doha link a few days back. Spent a spring there several years afterwards and never knew about the explosion or that I was living in the middle of an impromptu artillery range (other than it looked like 1945 Berlin all over the country).
Eventually, Joyce's mother revealed she was suffering from schizophrenia. '
Ahhh, why are the pretty ones always crazy?
Because they're all crazy?
You just don't care about the other ones being crazy.
/TIW...
She's, like, a British 8. American 4. Probably Groovus would say a Ukrainian 0.
4 seems unduly harsh. I mean you can tell her skin isn't perfect under the foundation, but in my mind under 5 is reserved for people with features that are pretty obviously Not Conventionally Attractive: taller than 5'10", BMI north of 24 (for non muscular), stuff like that.
Unless you're saying 4 because she's a briton and britons are untermensch. Then I agree with you.
So which one is the schizo? Joyce or Joyce's mom?
Maybe they're the same person.
+1 Bootstraps
Explains the diagnosis while bringing up further pressing concerns.
Norman!
It's time to update Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.
But we must vote for Hillary anyway because trump
Trump trump.
What the fuck is wrong with people?
OT: How does Shymalamadingdong still get funding for his movies and how can get some of it?
Loved his first 3 movies. Not sure what happened to him. Maybe he got dropped on his head.
He couldn't handle the pressure when he was declared The Next Spielberg.
Too much success with the twists?
He still is a great filmographer, but tried too hard in a lot of his subsequent shit.
He also abandoned the major themes and settings that made his movies so good. Set in eastern/central PA, troubled central relationships, major skepticism/resistance from the main character, and my favorite was he always had some sort of creepy basement or room where shit happened. The basement scene in Signs was scary as all hell.
I saw Signs the weekend it came out. In an 80% full theater I was the first person to notice the arm through the grate and went "Oh shit," about a beat and a half before it was revealed. When it happened the entire theater jumped. Really just a great scene. The concept of the movie made little sense and held up to no analysis, but sitting in that chair watching it happen was riveting.
I liked when they were watching the news report and the alien scooted across the driveway. That make the hairs on my arm stand up. Signs was decent enough as an alien invasion movie. Unbreakable will always be my favorite.
"Well see, there's this plot twist right at the end that's really gonna knock your socks off..."
Somehow, all his movies make money.
Are you saying he's like Tyler Perry for white people?
Following big budget disappointments like The Last Airbender and After Earth, he made The Visit on a much smaller budget.
His new one probably isn't as low budget as The Visit, but it doesn't look all that expensive either. At this point if I were a studio boss, I'd rather give money to MNS than to the Wachowskis.
Talk about disappointment when they can't even pronounce the characters' names right. I got your disappointment right here, Shamalamayayaya. *crude gesture*
The changing mob reaction captured in #SaveMarinaJoyce is as good an example of any why "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" can be such a dangerous phrase. Government is just a word for the meddling we want to do together.
Nice.
Is Joyce of legal age? Totally would.
Nah. Too British.
Don't get me started on Joyce. Ulysses is tremendously overrated and Finnegans Wake was, well let's just say-
Ah shit. Wrong Joyce. Carry on.
Also, would.
I... OK. Thanks for the info. I guess?
What did we learn?
Kingsglaive Final Fantasy XV - Official Trailer
Square Enix getting into the CG cartoon biz.
When my favorite female Youtuber Hannah Minx stopped making new vids, I was a little disappointed, but I didn't think she had been kidnapped by ISIS.
No, that girl was murdered. She's got "I will eventually be murdered" written all over her.
You're being silly. I'm sure she's fine. Maybe she loves Japan so much she permanently relocated there, and nobody gets murdered there because nobody can buy guns.
A hiker is going to trip over her ribcage any day now.
She looks like a hamster that someone gave breast implants and an espresso. That's cool if you're into that, though.
It's kind of a thing on youtube. Slightly sexualized young women who sound like they're 9.
Well in the article above, people are talking about Ellen Page like she's sexy or something. I'll take caffeinated silicone hamster over Juno any day.
I'm pretty open minded but I'm a hard no on her as well.
Just goes to show, there's someone out there for everyone. Go to any Walmart and check out the women who dudes have been breeding with if you don't believe me.
There's a seat for every ass.
+ 100k cops
I enjoyed this story as a reminder that people on the Internet are the worst.
However, trying to segue it into a criminal justice reform story is a wee bit of a stretch.