Trump Will Save Us From Everything Bad, THC in Colorado Water, Pokemon Go Is Watching You: A.M. Links

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Andy Katz/ZUMA Press/Newscom In a speech that ran over 70 minutes, Donald Trump accepted the Republican Party's presidential nomination Thursday night, bashed free trade, and warned that we are in a "moment of crisis" from which he alone can save us.
- Despite the dire tone of Trump's terror dream speech, the scene on the streets of cop- and activist-overrun Cleveland throughout the week was overwhelmingly peaceful and jovial.
- Ivanka Trump spent her convention speech trying to convince America that her father isn't sexist, borrowing liberal talking points about the gender wage gap, and explaining that her father would make "quality childcare accessible to all."
- Utah delegates to the GOP convention told Reason they felt "disenfranchised from the Republican Party" and may vote for Gary Johnson in November.
- "If the GOP was serious about changing its slow march to irrelevance, there should have been 10 [Peter] Thiel's to every Joe Arpaio, rather than the other way around."
- Director Oliver Stone warns that Pokemon Go is a form of "surveillance capitalism" that will lead to "a robot society" and then "totalitarianism."
- Don't drink the water in Hugo, Colorado, if you've got a drug test coming up.
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Director Oliver Stone warns that Pokemon Go is a form of "surveillance capitalism" that will lead to "a robot society" and then "totalitarianism."
So he'll be directing the Pokemon movie?
That scene where Ash gets fragged by Brock's Onyx is unforgettable.
And Pikachu wasting all those villagers....chilling!
I love the smell of Charizard in the morning. Smells like Victory
Starring Woody Harrelson and Juliette Lewis as Team Rocket:
James: The whole world's comin' to an end, Jes!
Jesse: I see golbats, James. They're comin' down for us from heaven. And I see you ridin' a big red charmeleon, and you're driving them charmeleons, whippin' 'em, and the're spitting and frothing all 'long the mouth, and the're coming right at us. And I see the future, and there's no death, 'cause you and I, we're pokemon...
Mickey: I love you, Jes.
Jesse: I know you do baby, and I've loved you since the day we met.
Hello.
"...and warned that we are in a "moment of crisis" from which he alone can save us."
Someone sounds jealous.
Gruss Gott.
"Help us Obi-wan Trumpnobi, you are our only hope!"
Meesa think yousa not know what species issa Massa Trumpah.
But Trump knows damn well we're in a moment of crisis - we've got a choice between Hillary and Trump this November and if that ain't a mess it'll do 'til the mess gets here. With Hillary, it's a coin-toss between a kick in the nuts and a poke in the eye, with Trump it's a coin-toss between a trip to Cancun and being beheaded. You feeling lucky, punk?
Hi Rufus!
204) That Pence-so-dense
That Pence-so-dense
I do not like him, that Pence-so-dense.
Say, do you like candidate Trump?
I do not like him Pence-so-dense.
I will not vote for him, he makes no sense.
Would you vote for him here or there?
I would not vote for him here or there.
I would not vote for him anywhere.
I do not like him, Pence-so-dense.
I will not vote for him, he makes no sense.
Would you like Trump in a (White) House?
Would you listen to Mickey Kaus?
I would not like him in a (White) House.
I will not listen to Mickey Kaus.
I would not vote for him here or there.
I would not vote for him anywhere.
I do not like him, Pence-so-dense.
I will not vote for him, he makes no sense.
Would you, could you, on a three hundred-foot yacht?
Vote for him, vote for him,
he can't be bought!
I would not, could not
on a yacht.
I do not care if his daughter's hot.
You may like him, you will see.
Maybe you'd like him in a tree?
I would not, could not, in a tree.
I will not vote for him, you let me be!
I will not put him in a (White) House,
I don't give a damn about Mickey Kaus,
not in a yacht, not in a tree,
I don't want him running my country!
Don't you want to make America great?
Why are you so filled with hate?
Trump has wonderful ideas, his plans are yuge.
If you don't like me as VP, would you take the Nuge?
I suppose you like that ugly hag.
Go ahead and vote for the bitchy old bag.
I will not vote for either, you mendacious fuck!
If those are my choices you're out of luck.
Not a Clinton, not a Trump,
not in a back alley, not in a dump.
I will not for them here or there.
I will not vote for them anywhere.
But you know damn well there's another way:
That's why my vote is going GayJay.
*stands to applaud*
Beautiful.
Well-done, JATNAS.
AWESOME.
GayJay needs the position pole,
So please include him in your poll.
What the country needs isn't Clinton,
Rather ideas from Friedman, Milton.
Don't let the country get gelled,
Cast your vote for Johnson/Weld.
But no, not true,
my reason friends
We all know
how this ends
He eats the eggs
and ham and finds
that it's a taste
he doesn't mind
In fact, he likes it
quite a lot
In boxes, trains
and all that rot.
So if you go
by Dr Seuss
You're gonna need
to accept the noose
For GayJay
he won't jump
He'll be happily voting
for Donald Trump.
Director Oliver Stone warns that Pokemon Go is a form of "surveillance capitalism" that will lead to "a robot society" and then "totalitarianism."
Never try to trump Trump.
Utah delegates to the GOP convention told Reason they felt "disenfranchised from the Republican Party" and may vote for Gary Johnson in November.
#LoserState
Did someone in the party actually take their vote away?
Rules apparently state they can't cast votes for someone not technically still in the race.
Not technically still in the race? Damn.
*Scratches Dolezal off list*
Not technically still in the race? Damn.
*Scratches Dolezal off list*
Not technically still in the race? Damn.
*Scratches Dolezal off list*
Skweerlz. Always with the worst jokes, too.
How many lists do you have?
As with most things in life, it's that fourth list that's most important.
LOL. That was really funny.
"Rules apparently state they can't cast votes for someone not technically still in the race"
The crybabies were talking about November.
They won't be delegates then, just regular plebes.
At that time they aren't "bound" to do anything and who cares what they think?
Yes they did.
Now they know how the Ron Paul supporters felt.
In a speech that ran over 70 minutes, Donald Trump accepted the Republican Party's presidential nomination Thursday night, bashed free trade, and warned that we are in a "moment of crisis" from which he alone can save us.
Libertarians for Putin!
70 minutes? holy crap!
that HAS to be some kind of record. How long was Harding's?
Harrison's. William Henry Harrison - 1:45:00 D A M N!
and may vote for Gary Johnson in November.
Yes, and there may have been a libertarian president already.
Okay, ENB, this almost--almost--makes up for the fiasco on Wednesday.
In a speech that ran over 70 minutes...
That's a lot of tweets.
I. Am. That. Hero!
Larry Boy is awesome, but not as awesome as the Pirates Who Don't Do Anything.
+0 daisies on a big red rubber ball
In a speech that ran over 70 minutes
Does it count as using the teleprompter if it just keeps scrolling "keep vamping" over and over?
This line is in quotation marks, and I'd rather not have to follow the link to see who said it. Can't reason even attribute it's own articles anymore? Or has it become ashamed of the mean-spirited content that has been overruning the site?
Or has it become ashamed of the mean-spirited content that has been overruning the site?
What has being nice ever gotten us?
We could have had Postrel's love and respect.
If this is in reference to the commenters, I think things are a lot less mean-spirited than when I first started lurking here years ago. I've haven't seen too many 100-comment+ battles between John and crazy ladies lately.
Shut-up, Tulpa.
The reasonable extension has helped. If you don't read the trolls you are less tempted to engage them.
Sometimes it's fun to take out some rage on a hapless troll. Beats yelling at a real person. That said, my blood pressure has dropped since i started using reasonable.
I enjoy a good troll-battle every now and then. Keeps things interesting
We shouldn't devolve into an echo chamber. I personally believe we can only get better if we're challenged. And don't question me on this; I won't hear it.
*Flagged as troll.
Shut up, Tulpa!
Reported as spam
I hate to say it, but registration helped. I don't think I have anyone blocked on Reasonable at this point. The current crop of trolls can be annoying, but they mostly don't completely fuck everything up like in the dark times.
I wasn't here for the dark times of the unregistered commentariat.
My observation was about the articles. I have no issue with a difference of opinion but it's more than that.
The tone is just getting more vile.
Elections ruin everything and make people stupid. That's my theory for that part of it.
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't dominate the news for 2 years of every four.
If you're going to behave a certain way, own it. If you don't want to own it maybe you should rethink behaving in that manner.
If you take a look at yourself and go "I'm okay with being an asshole" that's fine. But if you're slinking around goin "I don't want people to think I'm an asshole" while acting like one anyway, that's just not acceptable.
Shut up, Tulpa!
So what you are saying is: Be Mr. Hand, not Mr. Yuk?
Most people seem to take the, "I'm not an asshole! And he deserved it, anyway!" approach.
Shut up, Tulpa!
Shut up, Tulpa!
Shut the fuck up, Tulpas!
The proper pluralization is "Tulpae," Tulpa.
Oh no, the Tulpa singularity is happening.
It's Tulpas all the way down!
Tulpa.
My wife will tell you, I'm in the "okay with being an asshole" camp. Out and proud!
Shut up, Tulpa.
Shut up, Tulpa.
...Mulva?
Malkovich?
But TRUUUUUUUUUUUUMP!!!!!!!!!!
its Reason 24/7 all over again!
They had 10 Joe Arpaio's on stage? Shit, I should have watched, that must have been weird to see all those clones.
Trump made them fight to the death. It was horrific but strangely beautiful.
Oddly, only six of them were wearing pink underwear.
I hope no one emerged the victor*.
*juvenile bluster
"If the GOP was serious about changing its slow march to irrelevance, there should have been 10 [Peter] Thiel's to every Joe Arpaio, rather than the other way around."
Ronald Bailey's cloning dream come true.
Wouldn't that only make them relevant for a generation?
Don't drink the water in Hugo, Colorado, if you've got a drug test coming up.
It sounds like the plot from Batman Begins. Google hasn't lost a microwave emitter, have they?
Comment I'm so proud of I had to bring it over from the other comment section.
That's not pot, that's Joker serum!
That's not 'serum'.
Enough with the bodily fluids.
...and warned that we are in a "moment of crisis" from which he alone can save us.
By dropping out.
Which would be hilarious at this point. The GOP would be scrambling pretty hard.
"Psych!"
Director Oliver Stone warns that Pokemon Go is a form of "surveillance capitalism" that will lead to "a robot society" and then "totalitarianism."
Surveillance Capitalism is a pretty good band name.
Or a nightclub, with a 4 or 5 am license...
I would promote that club.
What America needs is sensible pizza control.
No one needs 23 different options for pizza toppings.
Pizza Hut now allows you the choice of several different crust flavors and pizza "drizzles," if you're into soggy pizza.
No word on edible pizza, though.
Don't allow deep dish to be falsely referred to as pizza.
St. Louis style thin pizza is the way to go. Disclaimer: I like deep dish too.
"It was just like a block party! Cops and Secret Service everywhere, riot gear, carbines, I was charged with a misdemeanor for an accident, it was a fucking touching moment!"
Here's the deal with the Left. I'm expecting them to make fun of Trump for this "law and order" thing by pulling out Steven Pinker's stats on declining violence.
BUT - everytime there is a shooting incident, they whine about how violence is going *up* and thus the country needs more gun control.
The doublethink is mind boggling.
It would be doublethink if they honestly believed either argument, or anything else for that matter.
It's just regular old singlethink: the single-minded compulsion to ban guns and punish gunowners, because it's what the left does.
It's not even singlethink -- it's 'doublefeelzerothink'
Ivanka Trump spent her convention speech trying to convince America that her father isn't sexist, borrowing liberal talking points about the gender wage gap, and explaining that her father would make "quality childcare accessible to all."
Ivanka focused on the actual wage/achievement gap that exists between mothers and childless employees, which is a more accurate portrayal of the problem than the Democrats' $0.77 on the dollar lie.
It is not, however, a problem the government can solve or should be trying to solve.
Look, Trump is sexist not because he is actually sexist, but because he is the Republican nominee. Just like he is a racist. Because every Republican presidential nominee is literally Hitler.
Get out of here with your facts and sensibility!
It is not, however, a problem the government can solve or should be trying to solve.
Libertarianism in a nutshell.
What kind of conservative stalwart promises more free shit like having the government take care of your kids? That right there shows the mindset of government as problem-solver when there's no such thing as a free lunch and you're only trading one problem for another and the government has a long track record of coming up with horribly expensive cures worse than the disease.
The government already has two programs for taking care of people - the military and the prison system. Which of those is the model for raising kids? If you want the government to take responsibility for raising your kids, shut the hell up about Common Core and whatever leftist collectivist nonsense they're indoctrinating the kiddies with - they ain't your kids if you give them to the government to raise, you dumb shit.
"quality childcare accessible to al."
however, a problem the government can solve or should be trying to solve.
Well, part of the reason it's not accessible is due to government regulation that inflates the cost so there is a problem government could solve if the one way ratchet moved backwards.
Stupid phone chopped off the the leading "It is not,"
Who says terrorism doesn't work?
Local authorities are calling for classes on Islam to be brought in at schools across the country after a radicalized Muslim youth attacked passengers on a train with an axe on Monday.
Has all of Europe turned French?
It's the sequel to that Vapors song that nobody asked for.
Do you think so?
It's taking place in Germany.
The Germans are operating on a completely different level it.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if these incidents made the Germans go Half-Nazi (the gas chambers and ovens half, not the 'take over the world' half) just to put an end to the incidents.
Not going to happen. Some other European country might, but Germans have gone through a hell of a lot of trouble to make sure that kind of thing never happens again. Now stopping immigration from anyone practicing Islam and banning things like the burka I could see end up happening.
Not going to happen. Some other European country might, but Germans have gone through a hell of a lot of trouble to make sure that kind of thing never happens again. Now stopping immigration from anyone practicing Islam and banning things like the burka I could see end up happening.
Right now the Neo-Stasi is cracking down hard on any German who utters a complaint about the cultural enrichment they are experiencing. They are literally using former Stasi Agents.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/.....la-merkel/
To be fair, the French will probably be the first chink (racist!) in the dyke (homophobe!!) in opposing further Muslim encroachments on Western culture.
"Islam, when the official religion of a state, is a religion of conquest. It had to be turned aside by Karl Martel at Tours, and King John of Poland at Vienna."
That might be the class on Islam they need, it won't be the one they get.
I kinda wanted to make and sell "Martel/Sobieski 2016" t-shirts for this election season, but I realized that I am insufficiently trollish to delve into such an undertaking.
It would be lost on most people anyhow. They would think it's a vodka ad.
It had to be turned aside by Karl Martel at Tours, and King John of Poland at Vienna Ramsay Snow at Winterfell?
More people would get that one.
Ive been posting WWCMD on here for a long time.
Je suis la religion de la paix
Je suis la religion de paix de la tombe.
Fixe pour vous.
Nice.
Nice?!
Too soon!
I'm not sure which side is more insane over there - the guys hacking up people with axes or the guys who, in the aftermath of that, think 'what we really need is classes so our citizens understand why they're being hacked up at random'.
I find it easier to understand people going suddenly violent than the other kind of crazy.
Me too. It seems as though certain people lack a survival instinct.
I think what the article is (poorly) expressing is the need for Muslims to take Islam classes, which presumably will include some content that asks them to kindly refrain from getting all choppy and rapey with the locals.
Yes, it seems like it's a call to have the "right kind" of Muslims teaching Muslim children about their religion just as they only allow the "right kind" of Christians to teach Christian children about theirs.
German schools have religion classes but only state approved religion has been taught in the past.
But it's not classes for the average German student, it's classes for the Muslims themselves, to try and keep them from going all jihadi.
They, more than anyone, need to learn about Martel and Sobieski. And the Holocaust, as an example of what Europe is capable of doing to religious minorities.
Left out of the article is the fact that Religion class is compulsory for all Germans - in my day the Muslims opted out via the alternative Ethics class. The article isn't clear on whether non-Muslims are going to be required to take the Islam class. I don't think that would go over very well.
I got the impression it meant classes for Muslim children.
The article pointed out that some states already include such classes. This seems to be a call for action at the federal level to make all the states provide it.
It's possible that the article left out the fact that Religion class is compulsory for all Germans because the writer assumed readers would already know that.
That's always a problem with foreign news sources.
Keep putting people out of work, and there'll be ever so many adults not doing anything productive who can watch the kiddies.
No, childcare is so hyper-regulated (at least here in the DC/MD area) that the cost of doing that is prohibitively high.
Incidentally, said regulation is the largest contributor to the much-decried lack of access to "quality childcare." Apparently, you need a half-dozen government licenses and certifications to be allowed to charge money to perform for other people's children the same tasks that you would be legally obligated to do for your own.
Childcare as an industry was and ever will be a boondoggle, so long as it is based on the presumption that parents must make two living wages in order to have it; one for them, and one for the care provider.
At that point, just marry the childcare provider and get sex and meals out of the deal as well.
And that isn't what I was referring to, incidentally. Venezuelans have 99 problems, but someone not doing anything who can watch the children is no longer one of them. Maduro's Progress Marches On!
Yeah, I got what you were referring to, was going to just make a comment that they would just see that as proof that we need MOAR GUVERMINT, but got distracted and ended up ranting about how much of a bitch it is to find childcare.
Whatever, you can't expect me to still be sober this late in the day.
Of course not. You have kids.
*clinks glass*
Director Oliver Stone warns that Pokemon Go is a form of "surveillance capitalism" that will lead to "a robot society" and then "totalitarianism."
Fact.
He's just trying to make The Protomen more relevant than they already were.
That had better fucking be "Light Up the Night."
That isn't, but here you go.
It's what JFK was trying to warn us about.
Oliver just doesn't want anyone to take his Snowden biopic seriously. Good job, Stoney!
I learned yesterday that it's been *ten years* since Thiel was involved with PayPal, so I'm sorry I blamed him for PayPal's dumbass behavior in North Carolina.
They just didn't like you because you're black.
"Director Oliver Stone warns that Pokemon Go is a form of "surveillance capitalism" that will lead to "a robot society" and then "totalitarianism." "
Everyone wants a piece of that Pokemon Go hype. No one has successfully co-opted it yet. Probably because everyone playing it is too busy walking.
Yeah, walking right in front of my car. I'm gonna have to spend my next paycheck on a cowcatcher for the front of my vehicle because of this shit.
"Pokecatcher"
I believe the straights refer to that as an asshole.
"The anus is the window of the butt!"
Eh, look at the bright side, it's keeping people busy, its getting them out under the sun, getting them to exercise, and getting them to talk to people in real life. All of these things are conducive to making people care less about trying to run your life or get obsessive about politics.
Libertarian moments are so few and fleeting, we have to catch them all while we can
The DNC will have 100 Thiel's and no Arpaio's at all, and I bet that's not going to be much of a problem.
The DNC is *all* Arpaio's.
Megyn Kelly covers up (sort of) as she opts for a more conservative outfit at the GOP convention after criticism of risque dress
Way to go, hot body shamers. I hope you're proud of yourselves.
I still totally would, but she really doesn't have enough in the chest area for it to be anymore revealing than an Asian lady boy. Unfortunately, phony scandal.
If You Got It, Flaunt It!
Do you know how painful it is to think about eating only three meals a day and exercising a couple of times a week?
I wonder if she's exploiting this publicity?
Naw, I'm being too cynical.
Now that Ailes is gone, she no longer has to worry about MALE GAZE.
It might have been the wrong dress for the occasion, but I'd hardly call it "risque".
This. She showed a bit of decollete, let's not have the vapors.
+2
let's not have the vapors
Yeah, save that for the Democratic convention.
Bad dress for being on camera, which only shows your upper torso. TV 101. Those dresses look fine in person, but on camera they make you look un(der)dressed.
Loretta Lynch just wants to catch us all.
Well, not really "all".
Caption Contest!
I yield to the expertise of SugarFree.
"Having family from Arkansas gave her a head start on the inbred look of royalty."
"Remember that night in the Lincoln bedroom?"
"Not really."
"Hey, that's not my belly button!"
"That's not my finger, either."
"Don't make eye contact, don't make eye contact, don't make eye contact, don't make eye contact."
It's like they're not even the same species.
"My dad's schlong looks like hamburger meat too."
Sorry, not even Sugarfree is Redd Foxx.
"I wouldn't lick you with Rachel Maddow's tongue."
"My daddy's going to re-paint the Oval Office the same shade of blue as Monica's dress!"
"Ha-ha, my mom's hiring illegal Mexicans if she wants it re-painted!"
The Utah delegates should realize that the candidate they want is in another Castle.
I'd rather vote for Frank Castle. He'd clean the streets up real good.
It's either Castle or an asshole. Take your pick.
Is Gary Johnson an asshole because of Nazi cakes?
Also Eddie, Frank Castle is the Marvel character The Punisher, which is why Sermon's comment was funny.
I would also vote for Frank Castle, but only the Ray Stevenson and Jon Bernthal versions.
I know who Frank Castle is, or rather, who he *used* to be.
He used to be a fairly awesome comic-book character.
Now he's just another lame action-movie protagonist. Yawn.
"Is Gary Johnson an asshole because of Nazi cakes?"
It sure doesn't help.
Bear in mind, I find myself unable to hate *any* of these guys - not even Hillary. They either look like fun people or (in Hillary's case) like hardworking people who I wouldn't want to cross.
If I call them assholes, its because their ideas are the kinds of things assholes would come up with.
What would Castle's foreign policy stance be called?
Castle Doctrine?
Former Fox News anchor Laurie Dhue reveals she is writing a tell-all memoir about her firing from the network and will lift the lid on her relationship with ousted-CEO Roger Ailes
EW. At some point she was going around talking about her problems with alcohol, which were supposedly the reason she was fired from Fox. So, the book is going to be about a women drinking too much and banging fat oldies? Awesome.
For those of you who just want the shirtless Rupert Murdoch photo from the story, here you go.
If Hugo, CO had any sense at all, they would bottle the water and lead the town to untold prosperity.
That ... that is BRILLIANT!
"THC Springs"
"Come to Hugo's healing springs, gain insights into many things, bring the entire family and taste our wholesome THC."
No, they want to be the plaintiffs in a giant lawsuit against the State of Colorado, not the defendant in a class action fraud lawsuit.
My cousin and some of her friends saw Ghostbusters last night. Her review: "I pretty much hated it." Naturally, her facebook friends are shocked and appalled.
It was a godawful, uninspired bomb (I am ashamed that I was dragged to go see it). It did have two redeemable lines/moments, though:
1. The scene where the Mayor gets angry and yells never to compare him to the Mayor from Jaws.
2. The reference to the Ghost pottery scene.
Everything else was terrible. And Leslie Jones is ugly and fat.
So is Dan Aykroyd. No one cared, because he was entertaining.
Take notes, Jones.
Racist. *banned from the Twitters
At least we still Oliver Stone around to bring the batshit insane. Someone tell him the psychic type Pok?mon really *are* psychic!
Of course Thiel supports Trump's surveillance state - he is in the data mining industry. His company Palantir is poised to make billions.
Does that win the award for creepiest company name ever?
Check out wiki for their product names.
Peter Thielat work.
Where did the police shooting story go?
It is gone where the woodbine twineth.
It stopped resisting.
Winner! *glitterbombs*
*Flash grenades*
Hater. You never let me have any fun.
Fun? Glitter is evil! It gets everywhere and is next to impossible to get rid of. Just passing near someone contaminated with it will get you hit with it too!
*UCS retreats to men's room and searches foreskin and scrotum for traces of glitter*
This is a link
">Russia Today sponsored a 3rd-party debate?
That's pathetic, we need a 100% American organization to fill this need.
Russia Today link
Oh FFS. I wanted to see exactly how Trump bashed free trade so I clicked the link. It links to a Suderman article.
I am getting dangerously close to following the good many other commenters in going elsewhere. I can take people being wrong. What I cant take are liars.
Eh. Suderman did the same thing in 2008, with his "why I can't vote for Romney" pieces. And then was shocked that Obama was exactly who he had always been.
why I can't vote for Romney pieces in 2008?? Maybe 2012?
To be fair, a 'why I can't vote for Romney pieces in 2008' piece is a lot easier to write.
"Romney did not win the primary. The end."
I dunno. Liar is a pretty strong word. It might be just as likely that Suderman simply has his head stuffed so far up his own narrative that he can't even see what he's doing.
You know. Like everyone else.
I am getting dangerously close to following the good many other commenters in going elsewhere. I can take people being wrong. What I cant take are liars.
I'm wondering if reason could just trade Suderman for McArdle, straight-up, no givesies-backsies.
No way would Bloomberg accept that. Reason would have to throw in a few promising interns, at minimum, and probably eat a good portion of Suderman's contract.
Suderman has a pretty severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. He's not lying on purpose, he just can't help it. He truly believes his delusions are real.
The reason hiring decisions seem incredible at times.
Weigel, really? Someone thought he was a good hire?
See - this strongman shit is what you guys should be attacking him on. Not that 'he's a shortfingered vulgarian' stuff.
Regardless of what you think of protectionism, I don't see how you can rationally call it "strong man stuff", whatever that is. The US has had a very protected economy during long stretches of its history. Were we ruled by "strong men" then? Places like Chile and the Philippines, when they really were ruled by strong men, were actually quite friendly towards international trade.
If you want to say Trump is wrong about protectionism, fine. There is a case to be made that he is. That case, however, is not that he is trying to be a "Strong Man" by advocating for it. Making your case that way just makes you sound like an idiot.
You completely missed what I was saying. But hey - you got to call me an idiot so that must count for something, right?
Okay. I guess you meant the "he alone part". My mistake. That said, every politician I am aware of says the same kind of stuff. So, I am not really sure what the point of bashing just Trump for this is or how it really matters given that this sort of thing has become boilerplate language in politics.
"YOU'RE the vulgarian, you FUCK!"
God, I love that character.
I'm suing you for false advertising.
It dawned on me today why libertarians and conservatives don't understand Trump. Libertarians and conservatives are talking about freedom and Trump and his supporters are reacting to the problem of responsibility. And by that I don't mean either party rejects responsibility. What is happening is that libertarians and conservatives don't fully appreciate how much our economy has rejected responsibility and the effect that is having on the country at large. And I don't mean welfare in the conventional sense. Here is what I mean.
In the 19th Century, the US had a very free economy. It also was a very harsh and unforgiving economy in a much different way than now. In the 19th Century everyone from the richest to the poorest was subject to the winds of economic fortune and the business cycle. When economic downturns occured very wealthy and powerful people ended up penniless and dying in poverty as a result. That doesn't happen today. Today we have the largest banking crash since the 1930s and the government bails them out. As far as I can tell no one who was in charge of those banks went to jail or so much had to take their kids out of private school as a result. CEOs run companies into the ground and walk away with multi million dollar severance packages while the employees end up unemployed and in many cases lose an entire life's work.
You cannot have a free market system where only the middle class bear the consequences of economic misfortune. The public won't stand for it. If the rich and powerful won't bear the consequences of economic downturns, the public will go to the polls and use the government to make them suffer.
People say Trump is a populist. And he is really not in my opinion. Populism is Bernie Sanders. It is a politician offering to loot the rich of their ill gotten gains and give it to the people. And that is not what Trump is saying. Trump is saying that if we are going to insulate the elite from the consequences of economic freedom, then we need to do the same for the rest of the country.
I don't think it is an ideal solution. Ideally we would go back to what we had in the 19th century and when the banks collapse our response is to say "well thems the breaks, we will give someone else a chance to build some new banks". Since that solution is not on the table, I will take Trump's over the Sanders' solution, which is what we are going to get if we don't do something.
Libertarians and conservatives don't agree with that. That is fine but they need to be thinking of a solution. Appeals to freedom and Capitalism alone will not work. Appeals to freedom and the wonders of the free market ring very hollow when only the middle class bear any of the responsibility that comes with the freedom associated with capitalism. Worse still, conservatives and their libertarian allies have inadvertently abetted creating the system we have. They push for things like repealing Glass Stegall, which in the abstract is good, but them allow Keynesian and Crony Democrats to continue to make the taxpayers pay the bill and insulate the bankers from the responsibilities that should come with their new found freedom post Glass Stegall.
Until we stop the government from trying to manage the business cycle and insulate the rich and powerful from the effects of economic misfortune, we cannot have a sustainable free market system in this country. For this reason, Libertarians and conservatives both need to understand that blindly appealing to freedom and capitalism will not work. They must argue to address that problem or they can expect someone like Trump or worse Sanders to address it for them.
Let's be fair - the intelligent libertarians and conservatives are pointing out these things, and even pointing to the old fraternal associations and mutual-insurance groups that used to be much more widespread than now, when the respectable working classes got together to help each other out in times of need.
There were still serious holes in the social safety net. If you didn't provide for your future, or if the company you went with was dishonest or ill-managed, you were fucked. Or if entire sections of the economy started sucking at once, you were fucked. Unless the churches came in.
In the Great Depression, individual charity was inadequate for the problem, and of course instead of adopting welfare spending as an emergency measure to last only so long as the Depression lasted, the feds took the crisis as an opportunity to start tinkering with the whole economy and make it as corporatist as they could - they would have gone full-on fascist (at least economically) if the Supreme Court hadn't told them not to overdo it.
So when the economy tanks and people lose their jobs, the most vocal are those who say it's capitalism's fault and the government needs to *permanently* take a more controlling role.
The "Great Depression" was only great because it lasted so long. Both the 1873 and 1837 depressions were much more severe. They just didn't last as long because the government didn't step into "help".
That's a load of horse shit. There were depressions in the 1800's that were much deeper, but much shorter in duration because there wasn't an all powerful state to prolong it and an all powerful central bank to stymie the natural recovery process, in addition to the fact that the two aforementioned institutions were themselves responsible for the bubbles that preceded the Great Depression.
I suppose you'll also credit FDR's nationalizations, rationing and quota systems, because apparently Jim Q Public doesn't know how to sell a widget to Bob Sixpack who himself doesn't not know how to buy one.
We had had much worse downturns before when the country was overall much less wealthy and no one in this country ever starved. It drives me nuts when people act like FDR saved us from becoming Ireland during the potato famine or something.
Or when people claim that Hoover's policies represent the free market approach to a depression. Similar to progressives claiming that GWB represents the latest example of laissez faire capitalism.
I agree completely. The government should be prevented from transferring money to private corporations in any scenario except for refunds for taxes paid, an invoice for services rendered, and in payment of a contract. All parties should be subject to the same civil law regarding these cases as cases involving only private parties.
The government should be prevented from transferring money to private corporations in any scenario except for refunds for taxes paid, an invoice for services rendered, and in payment of a contract, full stop.
At this point just stopping them from socializing risk while privatizing profits would be a good start.
Socializing risk and privatizing profit. That is the term I was looking for but couldn't remember. And that is why people are so pissed off. They should be. Libertarians understand the socializing risk but don't talk about it enough. When is the last time Gary Jonson talked about that? And conservatives just pretend like the socializing risk doesn't exist or isn't a problem. Conservatives, or at least the beltway variety, have been so co-opted and corrupted by the elite, I am not even sure they see it as a problem anymore.
Libertarians understand the socializing risk but don't talk about it enough.
Libertarians spent 40 years talking about it.
I think you miss the libertarian point that the government should not be allowed to bail out industries. The freedom and capitalism that you mention is a result of limiting the abilities of government to those powers enumerated in the constitution that created it.
I don't at all. I fully understand it. The problem is Libertarians don't understand that at this point in time, that part of the free market has to be restored before anything else.
Beyond that, I am also talking about conservatives. And conservatives are much worse offenders. Libertarians at least understand that. They just don't emphasize it enough and don't understand that right now it needs to be the primary message. Conservatives don't even go that far. They don't even realize there is a problem. They think they can just talk about "freedom" and the "constitution" and everyone will suddenly agree and get with the program. Worse, a good number of conservatives think bailouts are not such a bad idea in extreme circumstances.
Worse, a good number of conservatives think bailouts are not such a bad idea in extreme circumstances.
At that point they become something other than conservative. A conservative that doesn't believe in conserving resources that are spent by government...simply 'isn't'.
So it has not dawned on you that there is a possibility that some people understand Trump and still do not like him?
I never said they had to like him or that I didn't understand they did. What I am saying is they understand why he appeals to people because they don't appreciate the problem that he is offering to solve. They think it is just blind populism or celebrity or raw desire for free shit. And that is not what is going on. People are pissed off for a reason. And the reasons are more than just the economy sucks. You can't expect people to embrace "freedom" when freedom means "freedom for everyone but responsibility for only those who are not rich or connected".
But freedom doesnt mean that. What libertarians supported TARP or bailouts or any of that rent seeking shit?
It is Trump who supports Kelo, not libertarians.
Of course it doesn't or shouldn't mean that. But it has come to in effect mean that today. And yes, Libertarians never supported TARP. I didn't say the did. What Libertarians don't do is craft a populist message that first addresses the responsibility issue. They talk about the responsibility issue secondarily if at all. Instead, they laud the free market and accuse anyone who dissents of being a stateist or a communist. That isn't effective.
Libertarians are a small group of course. its conservatives who have really failed. They completely misunderstood why the public is angry and made no effort to address the issues I talk about. And that is why Trump destroyed them.
It is a hard problem. I don't know how you get the toothpaste back in the tube. It would help if conservatives ran a more angry "we are going to put a stop to this shit" campaign but I don't know at this point how they could get the public to believe them. How do you sell "next time we are going to step away and let those fuckers pay for their mistakes" when both parties have spent 70+ years doing just the opposite? I don't know to be honest.
Elect a libertarian (even if he is just a libertarianish republican) instead of Trump.
Then maybe people will believe the GOP when they shift. Or they can just die and the LP can take over the space.
Like the GOP replaced the Whigs who refused to take a stand against slavery.
That is nice Rob, but why should the public trust that person to follow through with their promise? And even if they did, that won't satiate the anger the country feels over what has already occurred.
Except Trump's policy - as far as he actually has a policy - is to 'take money from other people and give it to you'. He's pro-protectionism - which is just flat-out nothing more than protecting a special class of producers (ie, those that get on Trump's good side) at the expense of consumers (ie, *everyone*). He'll somehow magic up billions of dollars to build (man and maintain - let's not forget the ongoing costs) a wall between the US and Mexico - without any serious consideration of the bonuses and maluses of illegal immigration.
He'll 'forbid companies from leaving the US' - essentially saying that you and your shit belong to the government.
Infrastructure building - massive public works projects that no one needs have worked out so well for countries like China, Germany, Russia, and us in the past.
Oh yes - more railroads. Because . . . who the fuck knows.
All this stuff is just going to take money from the rest of us to enrich his cronies.
The only problem he's offering to solve is the same one Clinton and Sanders are - the problem of your neighbor being richer than you.
You miss my point. I didn't say you had to agree with him or that his solution is the best or even a good one. I said it was better than the Sanders' solution and those are the only two ones being put on the table.
My point isn't that you should go out and vote for Trump. My point is that you should understand why Trump is succeeding and why people have soured on capitalism. Until you address those issues, you are not getting anywhere. Telling people "just suck it up" isn't going to work when everyone knows "just suck it up" doesn't apply to everyone.
Creating a capitalist system where everyone from rich to poor bears the responsibility and consequences of economic downturns has to be the goal. It can't just be the freedom half. It has to include the responsibility half or you are just helping to create a system that is stacked for the rich and powerful and is going to lead people to embrace real revenge socialism.
But I don't think GayJay can out-Trump Trump there. Even if he starts talking about Kelo and TARP and whatnot, and how the politically connected get their debts paid while they get to keep their profits, he's not going to turn Trump supporters to the Libertarian ticket.
And so the solution is a President who has bankrupted how many companies without going penniless himself?
libertarians and conservatives don't fully appreciate how much our economy has rejected responsibility
I don't know. I think most libertarians and many conservatives get that pretty well. That's pretty much how I would describe the main problem with the economy and how the government trys to "fix" it. Probably you are right that simply extolling the virtues of free markets isn't a solution to the real world problem, though. What is the solution?
I'm not entirely clear on what you think Trump intends to do to fix it.
Trump intends to double down, only for himself and his friends instead of the friends of Bill.
You miss my point Zeb. He is the only one who admits its a problem and is trying to fix it. Stop obsessing about Trump. Trump is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the situation that has made Trump appealing and made arguments for free market capitalism ring so hollow with most of the country.
Libertarians and conservatives have a bad habit of talking in buzz words and being so afraid of being seen as populist or worse "anti elite" that they won't take on the real problems our system has and offer solutions. Instead, it just becomes appeals to freedom and the market broadcast to you from Rainbow Puppy Island.
Sometimes anger is justified. And sometimes justice does need to be served. I wish Libertarians were as angry at asshole CEOS who run their companies into the ground and walk away richer or shithead cronies who take bailouts as they are at cops.
Sorry, I thought you were saying more than that Trump had correctly identified a problem.
I'm pretty sure I'm not obsessed with Trump. You won't find any comments from me freaking out about that. You brought him up. I'm as sick as anyone of hearing everyone freak out about him. He's just another shitty candidate with a different style than most.
I think you are right to say that not enough anger and attention is put on the bailouts and cronyism that goes on between big business and government. It's a lot easier to gin up outrage about police, because they are potentially a more immediate threat to everyone and they play a significant role in keeping poorer people from getting ahead. But the larger systemic problems aren't as sexy and get less attention.
I think Trump has proven it is easier to gin up outrage about the cronyism than you think. You don't like his solution and that is understandable. But Libertarians of all people should understand that the grievances that are driving his support are justified. Libertarians have allowed themselves to buy into this idea that anyone who is claiming to have been fucked over by the current economic system is just some nativist welfare queen. And certainly that happens but there is more to it than that. Libertarians intellectually at least understand that the system we have is not a true free market and that it is in many case socialized risk and privatized profit. For this reason, they should be more receptive and supportive of people who have economic grievances against the current system.
I think some of it is that they are afraid of being seen as socialists. No, you don't have to be a socialist to understand how people are getting screwed right now. You just have to be able to articulate better solutions.
For this reason, they should be more receptive and supportive of people who have economic grievances against the current system.
Yeah, but I never hear basically anyone except libertarians make that lament as "I sure wish the market was freer!" It's always in the form of "Hey, I I want free stuff too!"
It dawned on me today why ...
No. I do read your posts. Nothing but the sun dawned on you today. There are little hippy crazes like home ownership and public-private partnerships that distort the market way beyond its usual ebbs and flows. Little at first, but politicians ride these waves and get votes for doing so. They stir the ocean to make themselves right in retrospect.
Go fuck yourself. Sometimes vulgarity is appropriate. You are an idiot incapable of having a serious conversation or thought about anything. So, do me a favor and troll somewhere else.
Nothing but the sun dawned on you today.
I intended that be a complement.
I am very sorry about that. My fault for being dense. Please accept my apology.
Done and gone.
Including Kevin Williamson?
Yes. Since you are stupid an illiterate you didn't understand my explaination of what I meant by responsibility.
Let me ask you, is it hard going through life as dumb as you appear to be or is ignorance actually bliss?
It's over, folks.
If you believe in limited government, drink up. The party that used to talk limited government while walking big government isn't even talking limited government anymore.
Enjoy our slow "progress" towards illiberalism and decay.
Thanks, Debbie Downer!
Sorry bro. 🙁
This election is a total Scheisse show
Like Yakov Smirnoff opening for Spin Doctors at the Iowa State Fair.
Libertarian moment!
Because billionaires are our future.
If you tax existing billionaires and "spread the wealth around", everyone will become a billionaire.
It's called the Keynesian multiplier or something.
I think it's called inflation.
/100 Trillion Zimbabwe dollars.
he is gay free society. In the future everything is gay apparently.
I was under the impression that being gay was more and more irrelevant every day in this country and that was a good thing. Apparently reason thinks that your sexual preferences will forever define your relevance to society.
Ohhhhh right. I forgot he was a member of the patrician minority. Reason does love to celebrate the irreversible demographic shifts.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say the future demographics of this country do not belong to the gays.
We'll always be here as long as you heteros keep making us.
Sure. But always in small numbers.
Small-batch, artisanal, free-range, shade-grown gays. Just like Nature intended.
I am not a homophobe, but the thought of genetically engineered, factory raised, growth hormone infused gays sounds scarey to me.
super majority of "minorities". I would say the whole , "I identify as [insert non-heterosexual term, real or fictional]" is going to get highly common.
Help me with shorthand and history.
Is "reasonable" a thing? Software? I read these comments through a simple browser....am I missing something? I don't know how all the cool fonts and links are created, but that's okay. I don't have any way to censor who I see posting, but that's okay as well.
I don't use Reasonable. I use the Tor browser, now classified by the NSA as a tool of subversives. So no blocking trolls for me.
The upside is that I get to the see the idiocy of people like American Socialist on full display.
I've never seen the appeal of blocking anyone, except spammers. I don't worry that I'll become infected if I see dumb arguments. But regardless, when I see the whited out box of a blocked comment I can't help myself but to click to see who it is and what dumb shit they're saying today, so it's pointless for me to even try to block.
Odysseus tying himself to the mast.
Reasonable is a chrome extension:
Have you found Chrome to be really shitty lately? It used to be a great browser. But more and more I find it to be glitchy and crash prone.
Every browser seems to follow the same curve, start out great, get a bit better and then slowly get worse until it becomes unusable. That is what happened with Explorer and then Firefox and now at least for me Chrome. Why is that?
It depends. On my Windows 10 laptop, it is horrible. On my windows 7 machine it works like a champ.
Yeah, I find it still to be great in Windows 7. One of several reasons I declined the free upgrade to 10.
Now that you say that, I never had a problem with Chrome until I upgraded to Windows 10. So at this point, should I just go back to explorer? Is there any way to fix Chrome and get it to run with Windows 10?
Why would you downgrade to that piece of spyware?
By that I mean Windows 10.
Because I am not the administrator who makes those kinds of decisions. And it came on the home computer I bought last winter. I guess I could go to some open source OS, but I am not patient enough to get into computers enough to really do that. I am stuck laboring on the Bill Gates plantation.
I'd use Edge (automatically installed with 10) before going back to IE. It performs well, but it is very stripped down compared to Chrome or Firefox. So it's pretty good if you don't rely on Chrome extensions and only need a very simple browsing experience.
It takes 30 minutes tops to install most mainline Linux distros and the big ones all come with Firefox and a shitload of things that work just fine without all the fucking bloat and insecurity of Windows.
Most people who use the major productivity suites and web browsing and email will never, ever, ever have to even think about using the command line. The command line is very useful, but not necessary unless you're an admin, and that applies whether you run Linux, Windows or whatever.
Windows whatsis?
Chrome has been awful for loading videos other than youtube.
What videos, you ask? Mind your own business, I say.
What kind of an idiot makes a browser that doesn't load as you put it "non youtube" videos? That is about as intelligent as having an ad blocker that prevents any picture or video related to cats or kittens loading.
Don't those half wits at google know what the internet is about?
It used to work just fine. No idea what's happened, but Chrome insists it's updated.
Perhaps they've started blocking Flash-only already? At some point (and I don't blame them), Google is making Chrome actively block and/or refuse to load Flash-enabled pages. Mozilla is planning to do likewise.
If a site doesn't have HTML5 videos by now, are they really worth visiting?
It's a Chrome extension. Firefox has a similar add-on called something or other, I forget what.
Text formatting for bold (b) italics (i) strikethrough (s) and html links is explained here. Unsure how many other tags listed there work in comments.
The Firefox version is called fascr.
fascr
https://bitbucket.org/bdhr/fascr/wiki/Home
Comment thread is too long. Did someone already make a joke about Captain Crunch and Chester Cheetah being primary suspects in the THC water supply incident?
You're the first I think.
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thc in the water: i bet the fiercest complainer will be the ones who support fluoridation of public water supplies 🙂
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