Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson Reaches All-Time Polling High of 13% on Eve of GOP Convention

Two other national polls put the Libertarian's support at 11% and 8%

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Gary Johnson speaks on Free Talk Live at Freedom Fest. ||| Matt Welch
Matt Welch

Three national presidential polls came out over the weekend, and all three contain historically good news for Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson.

A four-candidate CNN/ORC survey conducted July 13-16 delivered the highest number Johnson has ever received in national poll: 13 percent (compared to Hillary Clinton's 42 percent, Donald Trump's 37, and Jill Stein's 5). And there is tangible Garymentum: Compared to the same outfit's poll one month ago, Clinton/Trump are virtually unchanged, the presumptive Green Party nominee Stein is down two percentage points, and Johnson is up four. It's also worth noting that this is the first presidential poll to be conducted after Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton.

I don't have all the historical data at my fingertips, but it's a safe bet that 13 percent is the highest number a Libertarian Party presidential candidate has ever registered. It nudges out the 12 percent that Johnson has twice received in three-way polls that have excluded Stein, including as recently as last week's July 8-12 CBS News/New York Times survey, which had Clinton and Trump tied at 36 percent.

The newly released NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll from July 9-13 also represents progress for Johnson, if on the milder side:

HC 41% DT 35% GJ 11% JS 6% July

HC 39% DT 38% GJ 10% JS 6% June

And even the ABC News/Washington Post poll from July 11-14, in which Johnson doesn't quite make it to double digits, nevertheless shows an increase over the previous month:

HC 42% DT 38% GJ 8% JS 5% July 11-14

HC 47% DT 37% GJ 7% JS 3% June 20-23

In addition to the headline numbers, there are some fascinating tidbits in the cross-tabs of the CNN/ORC poll.

For instance, Johnson is within shouting distance of Trump among all voters under the age of 45—20 percent to 24 percent (Clinton is at 41 percent, Stein 8 percent). He is also doing almost as well as Trump among nonwhites: 14 percent to 17 percent (Clinton has 57 percent, Stein 7 percent). Johnson is beating both Trump and Stein among Democrats (6%-5%-2%), and among liberals (13%-4%-6%), but Clinton is still topping him among conservatives, 15%-9%. He is also competitive among independents, trailing Clinton and Trump 33%-30%-21%. I have written here and here about how Johnson's best two audiences continue to be independents and Millennials.

The campaign's mono-focus continues to be on getting into the nationally televised presidential debates, for which Johnson would have to average 15 percent across a set of polls that have yet to be identified by the Democratic/Republican-controlled Commission on Presidential Debates. This remains an uphill climb for a variety reasons, some of which I'll write about in the coming hours. But inching steadily toward the 15 percent threshold is an essential first step.

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379 responses to “Gary Johnson Reaches All-Time Polling High of 13% on Eve of GOP Convention

  1. Who’s worse: Gary or Johnson?

    1. I’m not voting for *either* (sniffs condescendingly)

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    2. Both.

    3. Hillary is really you’re only option as a libertarian!

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  2. But remember, the LP made a serious error in nominating two former governors with credible records instead of a nutty business tycoon and a guy who produced a Fox Business show and runs a blog.

    1. I think you should ensure to get your victory-lap done as soon as possible

    2. Maybe next time they can snag Bernie Sanders for the ticket. Can you imagine how many votes we might get?

      1. As someone else here eloquently put it, Gary is to libertarianism what banana-flavored candy is to actual bananas.

        Not the real thing perhaps but I’d rather eat that than a shit sandwich.

        1. Cut Taxes and save Social Security. How exactly is that different from a Republican position that libertarians have attacked for decades (including by Gillespie?).

          1. In Gary’s version, social security is saved by putting a per-penis tax on your mom.

          2. Fuck them all, cut spending!

        2. Look mom I got quoted!!!!! I really don’t like Johnson however he would undeniably nudge us in the right direction. I can’t think of a major party candidate that was true of in the last century. Holding your nose to vote for slightly better than the status quo is far different than voting for a candidate who will make it worse. I think that is the difference between running Grandpa Gulag on the libertarian ticket and running Johnson.

          1. I think that is the difference between running Grandpa Gulag on the libertarian ticket and running Johnson.

            It’s worth mentioning that Reason suggested Sanders was the most libertarian candidate in the 2016 race. And yes, Johnson had declared at that point.

            1. I can’t come up with a rationale describing how that is true. This is the guy who in the past has called for nationalizing industries. Reason is not the oracle on high so it will take a lot more than a Chapman declaration for me to believe Bernie is more libertarian than Che Guevara let alone Johnson.

              1. I agree, I’m just saying that the case has been made, and once you go down that road all you’re negotiating is price.

                1. Right and I understand the purist argument. I would be much more enthusiastic about voting for someone who was an actual philosophical libertarian or at least reasonably close than I would for Johnson. I also get the “pragmatist” argument. I’m not running the party and I can’t say I know what would serve the movements long term interests more effectively. If I bother to vote I’ll vote L and hope Johnson was the right long term strategic choice because lets face it we aren’t winning this year anyway.

            2. It’s worth mentioning that Reason suggested Sanders was the most libertarian candidate in the 2016 race

              If i recall – wasn’t that Robby?….

              …. and wasn’t that also based on an entirely projected/speculative belief that “Crazy old socialist man” was “Less Interventionist” because……

              ….well, because its a widely-held misconception about hard-lefties? Not to mention demonstrably false in the case of Sanders, who was bullish on bombing Kosovo, and has made “lets get involved” noises about both Ukraine and intervening between israelis and their neighbors….

              The idea that progs are “less intervene-y” is insanity. One only need look to Samatha Power, who is the exemplar of the bleeding-heart Humanitarian Interventionist; and one should be chilled to the marrow to think that Obama’s own half-assed meddling in places like Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, etc are examples of his *restraint* from doing what she actually been recommending – which is ‘much much more

              Basically, progressives are (proper) Neocons with Social-Justice aspirations; rather than aggressive pursuit of US hegemony, they see US power as a tool for ‘justice’ and fairness, and willingly sign on to whatever feelgood idea the UN suggests.

              1. “Basically, progressives are (proper) Neocons with Social-Justice aspirations; rather than aggressive pursuit of US hegemony, they see US power as a tool for ‘justice’ and fairness, and willingly sign on to whatever feelgood idea the UN suggests.”

                That seems like an astute observation. It is very similar to the way socons can be described as progressives with a different set of pet issues.

                1. It is very similar to the way socons can be described as progressives with a different set of pet issues.

                  I think there are plenty of parallels in any political dichotomy.

                  In this case its a little more of a direct-relationship – Neocons are in fact descended from liberal democrats; its not that they’re the “mirror image” of lefty Wilsonian interventionists – they ARE liberals, and they ARE Wilsonians.

                  The original neoconservatives were Cold War liberals or Cold War socialists. They combined support for the liberal, but firmly anticommunist foreign policy of Presidents Truman, Kennedy and Johnson with support of the New Deal welfare state and the Civil Rights Revolution at the home front.

                  The enemy of Neocon liberals turned out to be the Marxist Left, who wanted to stop fighting the soviets. So by the 1980s, they found themselves sided with the right, despite agreeing on nothing else except ‘winning the cold war’.

                  Progressive “humanitarian interventionists” and neocons both share the same view that the US should be responsible for “fixing” the rest of the world’s problems (or making it safe for the US to rule it unhindered – same difference)

                  the only difference is in the tools they prefer for the task; liberals love multilateralism, neocons hate it. but they’re otherwise identical in their control-freak impulses.

                  1. Let’s see where they break down on Turkey.

              2. Gary Johnson is the Samantha Power of ex-Republican Libertarian Party candidates. He won’t rule out what he calls “humanitarian war”not in the US interest.

            3. It’s worth mentioning that Reason suggested Sanders was the most libertarian candidate in the 2016 race.

              Citation needed. I remember Matt Welch wrote an article that said Sanders had a number of positions libertarians could support, but that was two sentences in an introduction to an article that listed 10 bat-shit crazy things Sanders wanted to do.

            4. It’s worth mentioning that Reason suggested Sanders was the most libertarian candidate in the 2016 race. And yes, Johnson had declared at that point.

              No, it didn’t.

              1. he might be referencing robby’s “The Libertarian Case for Bernie Sanders“, or Nick’s comments to the Daily Beast =

                “”You could do worse than having Bernie Sanders in the White House,” he admitted. “The things that he would be able to direct in the White House would accord with libertarian values. Being a commander-in-chief, he would minister our foreign policy much differently than Obama or Bush; he would be much more likely to change the scheduling for marijuana, which the president can do; and he’d be in a much better position to push criminal justice reform.””

                …however, both of which would require ignoring nick’s own earlier piece, “Is There a Libertarian Case for Bernie Sanders? Not That I’ve Seen

              2. No, it didn’t.

                In the sense that more than one of its writers did, yeah, it did.

                I don’t know why the fuck some of you retarded assholes get so worked up whenever anybody criticizes the editorial stance of this magazine like they just called your mother a cunt or something. Robby Soave and Matt Welch both suggested Sanders was the most libertarian candidate in the 2016 race. It happened. Deal with it.

            5. Reason speaks with one voice, does it? And one I can’t even remember, to boot!

              1. Reason speaks with one voice, does it?

                You should recall that it is also the prevailing consensus view is that “Everyone @ Reason Voted for Obama in 2008

                you can’t do anything about it. Commenter-revised-history shall prevail. We have always been at war with Eastasia

                1. Everyone but KM-W !

              2. Be careful, Matt. No good can worth the risk can come from consorting with the Reasonoid commentariat. I’m pretty sure that Bailey is the only writer here one who has figured out how to deal with that.

                1. No good that is worth the risk…

                  1. Crikey, that was some horrific butchery of grammar.

              3. Reason speaks with one voice, does it?

                Oh, certainly not. For example, if the editor in chief of the NYT takes X stance on Y issue, we don’t then say that “the NYT takes X stance on Y issue”. That would be wildly inaccurate, of course. Because we’re all 4 years old and don’t understand how English works.

                Go fuck yourself.

        3. Libertarians are the only people on earth who think compromising their principles is worth it for a losing cause. He is still going to get ZERO electoral votes. You sell out when it gets you something.

          1. Yeah, you have to give it to the progs, they at least always go full on proglotard.

            1. Not really. How many have the courage to call for full on gun confiscation, or reparations ,or the elimination of 401k’s in favor of government paid annuities? Heck Bernie no longer has the courage to call himself a full out socialist. And btw the progtards picked Hillary not Bernie which is a pretty analogous situation to the LP’s with Johnson. They are relatively bold about wearing their stupid right out there on their sleeve but they sure aren’t tuning it up to 11.

              1. Actually, the progs did not pick Hillary, they picked Bernie. The older life long Democrat voters picked Hillary.

                1. Progs vs lifelong democrats is a distinction without a difference IMO. I get your point that those who like to call themselves progressive supported Bernie but they are all the same animal with slightly different markings.

                  1. There are differences. For one thing, most of the older Democrats just vote Democrat because they’ve always voted Democrat and their parents voted Democrat. It’s little to do with what they actually believe. The progs otoh, are leftist ideologues. I know some of both groups and they’re very different. I actually saw two of the old Democrats talking about how disappointed they are that, because of Trump, there’s not a good alternative to Hillary, like Jeb Bush. Most progs that I know hate Hillary just as much as they hate Trump.

                    1. Agreed, but they’re gonna vote for her.
                      I’ve really had it with the brain-dead pundhalfwits who cover the nonsense with sudden surprise — watching the sleazy, life-long pol, phony-socialist that he is, sniffing the seat of the witch and sucking up to her minions so that he can console his base with b.s — “Don’t worry, kids, the Hillary crowd heard us!!!” Yuh, sure. His economically illiterate hollowness aside, look at the children (ages 18 – 80) who will quibble over purity and insist that he is nudging her to the true left, their humanitarian journey is real. Jesus H…. Delusion reigns supreme.
                      But who’s a libertarian to talk. I gotta continue explaining to the friends that the Gary/Bill snooze-fest are moderate-Republicans. But are they nudging the establishment toward liberty? Equivalent delusion to feeling the Bern.
                      But don’t worry, kids, the Donald crowd will hear us!!!
                      Yuh. Feh…

          2. Doesn’t 5% of the vote get the LP some of that sweet federal campaign money the next cycle? Which, if so, would make for an interesting moral conflict for the party. Sell out further for more skin in the game or earn, I don’t know, more credibility? Hard to say.

            1. The only people who need taxpayer subsidies more than multi billion dollar ag producers are major political parties.

              1. Even if, in a spasm of purity, the LP turns any such money down,* hitting vote percentage thresholds can qualify state parties for ballot status in the next 2 or 4 year election cycle, without the added expense in cash and volunteer time of running petitioning drives. Having been involved in such drives, I would have just as soon had gotten that out of the way so campaigns could concentrate on the type of campaigning that might actually improve vote totals.

                *One could justify taking such funds as “restitution of stolen property.” The LP could “spend” the cash discounting memberships, as I think dispersal to members might be illegal.

                1. That 5% threshold is defined by mere laws, which can be changed whenever the Bipartisan Party feels threatened.

                  Lucy is going to move that football out of the way.

          3. I’ve never been against incrementalism. That said, I wish Johnson would, for example, support an argument for decriminalizing hard drugs while acknowledging that’s not on the agenda. However, I’m not like most of the electorate, and it could be a bad strategy. Talking about legalizing recreational marijuana is a good thing, though.

            1. He basically did that in his recentish interview with the WashPost editorial board. Was a much, much better answer than the weak sauce on CNN.

        4. Genuine imitation libertarian isn’t all that appealing to me, but to each his own. I’m just saying, gaining votes at the expense of principle while still losing spectacularly isn’t necessarily any indication that the party knocked it out of the ballpark with their nominees.

          I’m also more than a little amused at the sudden libertarian penchant for argument from authority. Particularly argument from political authority. I’m not all that old, and I can remember vividly when one of the chief criticisms of politicians by plebeians generally and libertarians in particular was that they couldn’t run a sole proprietorship profitably in the private sector. Now we’re thanking our lucky stars that we nominated candidates with real credentials – former governors! – rather than some schmo who just produces a national TV show or some half-crazy old coot who made a fortune selling software.

          1. My protest vote last time was Johnson. My protest vote this time is a non-vote in a protest vote against ALL of them, Johnson included. Libertarians do NOT compromise on their principles, win or lose. Well, it’s always lose, but just the same.

            1. I voted for him last time as well, but I’m not voting for him again this year for the same reason. If I was going to vote for a candidate with whom I disagree for the sake of being on the winning team I could vote for either of the two major parties. On that ISideWith quiz, Gary Johnson only beat out Ted Cruz by like 7 percentage points for me, and he was in the low 80s IIRC. Every other libertarian candidate was over 90.

            2. Well the whole “sell out your principles for political gain while trying not to sell out on your basic principles” is a very difficult thing to do. The history of many “pragmatic reformers” doesn’t look good.

              Oh not to mention most ideologies want to grow the state so a slight increase in spending or a new program or department that isn’t that much of a defeat since it is a rachet in the right direction. But since libertarians want less government a lower spending increase is less of a rachet since government is still getting bigger.

            3. Vote Constitution Party Darrel Castle to MAKE BABY SCIENCE CRY

              1. I wouldn’t vote Constitution Party either, on account of self ownership generally and suicide in particular. By the time I hit my expiration date, I’d like for it to be legal for me to get a prescription for a peaceful death in all 50 states. Maybe sooner, depending on how the next few elections go.

                1. I don’t think most of us will get the chance, since they won’t be on the ballot in most states.

                2. The Constitution Party candidate opposes drug prohibition and favors decrim of ALL DRUGS.

                  Gary Johnson is for continuing drug prohibition

                  1. SIV, get a life. Johnson and Weld are trying to sell what the customers might conceivably buy. I’m pretty sure, in his heart of hearts, Johnson would go full-legalization, but that is such a cover-my-ears deal-breaker for so many potential LP voters that it belongs on the back burner.

                    Your Mr Castle is a full-head-goose-loony opponent of legal abortion. Is that the Single Issue you are a Vote(r) on?

                    1. Trump and Castle are both better on the WoDs than Gary Johnston. GayJay’s view is closer to Hitlery Clinton’s.

                    2. Ron and Rand Paul both oppose legal abortion as well.

                    3. I think Trump’s also selling what he thinks the customers might buy, now that he decided to run as Republican, by repudiating what he said all that time about legalizing drugs. But I believe he’d do what he could in that regard more than Johnson would once in office. Because Johnson doesn’t like to make waves.

            4. But he’s the same candidate. How’d it take this long for you to decide that?

        5. Banana flavoring tastes “fake” to us because it’s based on the Gros Michel cultivar, which used to be the “regular everyday banana” in the US until the 1950s. Then a plant disease wiped out most of the Gros Michel trees; Cavendish was picked largely because it was resistant to the blight.

          1. And Cavendish (named after Lone Ranger arch-rival Butch Cavendish) has been the mainstay ever since.

          2. No, it’s because it’s isoamyl acetate, period. Most of the cheaper imitation flavors are based on the single strongest note in whatever it’s trying to imitate. In the case of coconut, ethyl acetate, that’s not too bad, because the other notes in the coconut aren’t prominent. In the case of vanilla, or even worse, banana, it’s way off because of the prominence of the notes that are missing.

      2. Maybe next time they can snag Bernie Sanders for the ticket. Can you imagine how many votes we might get?

        What if we ran a Hillary/Trump ticket. We could win!

    3. Couldn’t agree more.

    4. BUT MUH PURITY.

    5. But remember, the LP made a serious error in nominating two former governors with credible records instead of a nutty business tycoon and a guy who produced a Fox Business show and runs a blog.

      And their poll numbers are at or below 1/3 those of a guy whose major accomplishments are hosting reality TV shows and running casinos into the ground.

      This is the high water mark for disgust with the major party candidates, and they can’t even reach 15% in their best polls now, when supporting a protest candidate is easy. Once the whole “you’re going to let Trump win?!!!” and “you’re going to let Clinton win?!!” calculus reaches full swing, his support will wither like it almost always does for third party candidates. (Ross Perot being a notable exception)

    6. I would have voted Peterson, but for what it’s worth I do give Gary a lot of credit for whipping enough national media attention to have gotten to this point.

      I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be an activist for more libertarian libertarians but still celebrate the success of the moderates.

  3. “Garymentum” – No, Matt. Just no.

    Stop trying to put the pussy on the chain wax.

  4. OT: Cleveland police union asks for suspension of ‘open carry’ in wake of Baton Rouge, ahead of RNC

    “We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something — I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point,” Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, told CNN. “They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over.”

    I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not
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      1. Do they even make a bra that big?

      2. Like an idiot. Expectation met.

      3. Do they hand out the moustaches at the same time as the badges and firearms? Every one of these guys always looks like they’re right out of central casting.

        1. I think you earn your mustache after your first “good kill”.

          At least that’s what I’ve heard.

      4. I definitely smell a pork product of some kind…

        1. You can tell by the grease stains on that shirt.

      5. This is the sack of shit who got in trouble for going on some talk show and saying Tamir Rice got what he deserved, or something to that effect. And I guarantee you his Cleveland accent is overpowering.

        1. Why is it always the good ones?

        2. his Cleveland accent

          huh.

          They have one?

          I always thought the extent of Ohio’s contribution to American dialect is a preference for “pop”

            1. The Great Lakes vowel shift comes from the New England Yankee accent, as you well know. This is your fault.

              1. HAVE HER BATHED AND BROUGHT TO MY CHAMBERS, GROOVUS

                1. HAVE HER BATHED AND BROUGHT TO MY CHAMBERS, GROOVUS

                  As you wish…

              2. As any Ottoman could tell you, Ukraine is always an exception.

                1. Ukraine is always an exception

                  Konechno, HM! However, Gospozha Solomina is Estonian, factory original IIANM.-)))

                  PS

                  Commenter Nikolay Ivanov provided an accurate transcript of what she is saying – I can match her speed speed but my accuracy suffers a bit (furriner). My wife can easily match her cadence.

            2. They left out my old stomping grounds of Buffalo which is stronger than any of those.

              1. Yeah, i was going to say that all of that just sounds like “watered down buffalo”/Chicago’s “Da Beears” twang

                1. Yeah, i was going to say that all of that just sounds like “watered down buffalo”/Chicago’s “Da Beears” twang

                  Behold!

                  1. What’s Erie PA, chopped liver?

                  2. “Too Lame to Be America; Too Thug to Be Canada”

      6. Union you say?

    1. I predict that if these attacks continue, the GOP is slowly gonna start turning on the 2nd Amendment.

      1. So does that mean that the LP will turn against in 2020?

        1. Not sure what point you are trying to make; that the LP just follows the GOP trends?

          1. Yes. “Cut Taxes and save Social Security” is the kind of thing that the GOP has been saying since Eisenhower’s time.

            1. Eisenhower was the last time GOP actually cut spending.

              1. Eisenhower was the last time GOP anyone actually cut spending

                And we all know how beloved he is by libertarians…

          2. Not to mention that Gary Johnson is a sign of the LP trying to be moderate and politically expedient. If both parties have turned against guns then supporting them will not be the moderate position or a politically expedient one.

      2. “Start”? i thought they already had.

      3. Oh, it’s 100% a guarantee. Once cops start getting shot, the GOP will fully support all of the gun grabbers legislation, and non-legislation in the form of secret lists. Cops are the only thing between them and an angry citizenry, and they don’t want their party crashed.

      4. Only if they want to commit suicide as a party.

        I could see them ease up on trying to restore gun rights for big cities, that’s all. Don’t see them going after suburban or rural guns in response to the urban shootings, as Barry is trying to do.

    2. I’m expecting massive resistance from all sections of the political spectrum over…hahahaha!

    3. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something

      1) Thanks for the detailed plan of action.

      2) The fuck is that even supposed to mean? The governor of a state has the authority to just override the fucking national constitution on a whim? What would even be the point of having a constitution?

      3) What the hell is the Police Patrolmen’s Association?

      1. “We are going to be looking very, very hard at anyone who has an open carry,” he said. “An AR-15, a shotgun, multiple handguns. It’s irresponsible of those folks — especially right now — to be coming downtown with open carry AR’s or anything else. I couldn’t care less if it’s legal or not. We are constitutional law enforcement, we love the Constitution, support it and defend it, but you can’t go into a crowded theater and scream fire. And that’s exactly what they’re doing by bringing those guns down there.”

        1. Hillary’s SC appointment?

          1. That’s some scary shit. Christ, you almost gave me a heart attack.

        2. W-W-W-W-W-WHAT?!

          “I couldn’t care less if it’s legal or not… we love the constitution and support and defend it…” Then a complete fucking non-sequitur about yelling fire in a crowded theater.

          That is, by far, the derpiest thing I’ve read in a long time. I usually consider the derp award to belong in the SJW trophy case, but it looks like this guy just made a serious case for transferring it to his.

          1. He’s a big-city union boss. Whatever makes you think he’s NOT an SJW? If not, he’s likely a hard-core Dem gun-grabber type. He certainly makes mouth noises like a Dem.

        3. Lets be honest: He’s saying what a lot of people are thinking.

      2. The most reasonable argument I can possibly project onto this dude’s line of thinking is that the governor should declare martial law as an attempt to quell civil unrest that some people think might happen.

        1. Well, duh! Don’t you know there’s a RACE WAR!!111! going on arbi?

          Jeez….

          1. Huh… That doesn’t look so bad. I don’t understand all the panic.

          2. I’m sure Charles Manson is jerking off to the cops geting shot.

            1. After that many years in prison, I’m sure Manson could jerk off to anything.

      3. 2) The fuck is that even supposed to mean? The governor of a state has the authority to just override the fucking national constitution on a whim? What would even be the point of having a constitution?

        Yes, it will henceforth be known as ‘The Hillary Clause’.

      4. The governor of a state has the authority to just override the fucking national constitution on a whim?

        The state of the law is that there is no 2nd Amendment right to open carry, specifically. So that would just be a change in state law. No idea if the governor does have the authority to ban it somehow

      5. In some states, open carry is suspended during declared states of emergency.

      6. The point is, your only remedy comes in court, later. Restraining order? OK, violate that, again see you in court…later. Meaning they can do whatever they want for a time, say the convention’s duration, then pay your damages later.

    4. Well, the authoritarians have pretty much stopped pretending now, because FYTW. In another decade, no one will even bother mentioning the Constitution as being a real thing.

      1. Well we can trust Hillary is so corrupt and venal that she will not exploit this, right?

        1. Nah, she’d never exploit anything, Democrats don’t do that.

    5. Cops have killed more innocent CCA holders than CCA holders have killed cops. Just saying.

    6. Cops wan an excuse to shoot anyone carrying a weapon, is how I read this.

  5. So is the US officially in banana Republic territory now? Three or more varieties of statism? And the LP is fitting the mealy-mouthed Reformers position quite well in this cycle. Cut Taxes and Save Social Security, How is that different from the Republican position?

    1. Will be, after 4 years of Clinton, or probably before 4 years.

      1. Basically the only thing keeping Clinton from being a dictator will be that she won’t want to be one. Can’t possibly lead to anything bad.

        1. she won’t want to be one

          ?????

          1. I mean that is she doesn’t make herself dictator it will be because she doesn’t want to be one rather than the other elements of the US government resisting her.

            1. Whew. I was worried for your sanity for a minute there.

    2. Both promise to shrink government. We know for a fact the republicans are lying.

      1. Johnson/Weld will also be lying when it’s their turn.

        1. That would be my bet as well.

  6. RCP avg today, Johnson 8.1%, which is not a high, he was at 10% earlier.

    1. I doubt police shootings and terrorism are going to help that number.

      Assuming a significant part of his support is coming from disaffected voters, the Bern Victims are going to be pissed that he doesn’t push gun control and the Never Trump crowd is going to insist he isn’t hard enough on terror. They’ll just run back to their former teams. Hard to render a protest vote when one of the main party candidates is shilling for The Most Important Thing to you.

      1. By coming out full 2a advocate could be good for J/W as both other parties have gone soft or statist.

        1. Johnson is soft on the 2A, at best. Trump might be better.

          1. Johnson is soft on the 2A, at best. Trump might be better.

          2. Are you suggesting a Flaccid Johnson?

      2. The shootings and Nice are going to benefit Trump. I think we saw that after Bataclan.

  7. So basically if they only had the three people who were actually on the ballot in every state Johnson would scrape that 15% by default? Should we off Dr. Stein then? Perhaps we could just inject her with some vaccines?

    1. Stein sounds better than Johnson on some issues. And she’s not afraid to attack Hillary.

      1. That reminds me. The LP in this cycle strike me as the mealy-mouthed reformers who when push comes to shove, despite their rhetoric, will end up aligning with one of the varieties of statism.

        1. Johnson/Weld would work with both the GOP and Dems to show how serious and compromising they are. That is some truly scary shit.

      2. She’s already said she’d step down for Sanders. Maybe she’d agree to team up with Johnson/Weld as the Secretary of Energy or something and they can form Voltron to achieve that 15%.

        1. Appointing Stein as the Secretary of Energy would make it official that the LP is just openly spitting in the face of libertarians.

          Don’t bet against it.

          1. I’d think being in the same room with her would make that official.

            But at this point I just want someone who isn’t part of the two-party system in the debates so badly that I’d accept Vermin Supreme as the third debater.

    2. Perhaps we could just inject her with some vaccines?

      Nah that would just make her autistic. Hard to say what outcome that would have.

        1. She is considered a heartbreaker and soul shaker by some… Even a velvet charmer.

    3. Perhaps we could just inject her with some vaccines?

      She’s autistic enough already.

  8. They’ll just run back to their former teams

    I think 90% do this when the moment arrives. Which is why Johnson was polling around 10% last election, right up until the election, and still only got 1% of the popular vote.

  9. Should Gary Johnson change his name to Wilhelm Kulz?

  10. I’ve read on some sites that the shooter Gavin Long “Was Affiliated With New Freedom Group, an Anti-Government Group, According to Person Briefed on Investigation” but I can’t find much on the web about the “New Freedom Group”. Anyone ever heard of them before?

    1. Never heard of them.

    2. Aren’t they an offshoot of the the Popular New Freedom Front? or their arch-enemies, the New People’s Popular Freedom Front?

      It really says something that the cops are instantly super-hip to esoteric “anti-government groups” that appear to have zero web-presence whatsoever

      …. when meanwhile, people can spew ISIS support on Facebook for years, and somehow authorities can’t actually “verify” it for a week or more after the person already blew themselves up.

      I’m not conspiracy-mongering…. i’m just saying, i don’t believe a fucking word about claims of “Group Affiliation” until they’ve published their manifesto on Tumblr *at least*.

      1. The guy was black, so obviously not a teabagger type. That being said, this will not get too much mention in the news. If it were a white guy with an anti-government group, oh boy, the Obama admin would be climbing on top of a pile of dead cops right now.

        1. The guy was black, so obviously not a teabagger type.

          Is that so?

          1. Well, that was sarcasm.

            But there is this guy:

            The Doctor of Common Sense

            1. ET is a little too conservative like for my taste, but he is definitely entertaining.

        2. The guy was black, so obviously not a teabagger type.

          I’ve met black dudes who expressed Tea Party support in *brooklyn*. I have no problem imagining that they exist in greater numbers elsewhere.

          as i noted re: the Dallas shooter – he actually seemed to have far more in common, culturally, with the Malheur Occupier types, than your typical Internet-BLM-Twitter-warrior

          1. Well, for the 2nd time, that was sarcasm. I was mocking the accepted narrative. I know, it’s hard to tell around here.

          2. As we’ve just found out, a pattern is emerging. And unfortunately, good groups like the Oathkeepers are going to have the shit directed at them.

  11. From rebellious prison colony to nanny state. So sad.

    Australian safety experts freak out over Focus RS Drift Mode

    According to a report from News.com.au, safety advocates in Australia are furious with Ford for selling a vehicle with a Drift Mode that allows unskilled drivers to “drive like a hooligan” on public roads.

    Scruby, along with other safety experts, are calling on Ford to recall the vehicle and disable the mode.

    Ford Australia had to disable the Line Lock feature for Australia-bound Mustangs in response to the country’s “anti-hooning” laws

    Driving the Focus RS like a Hoonigan

    1. History will not remember you well #BLM
      Don’t tell history what to do.

      Rosa Parks didn’t twerk in front of the bus in a crop top holding an “oink oink bang bang” sign.
      This is probably accurate.

      1. This is probably accurate.

        yall lyin. Rosa Parks could make it clap.

    2. To be fair, all Parks was interested in was sitting her tired black ass down in the nearest place she could.

    3. So basically BLM is Claudette Colvin?

    4. Did that actually happen though? Other than the sign?

    5. The Rosa Parks story is one of the most hagiographized events in history.

      If you look up the actual facts, it turns out that she did sit in the back of the bus as she was required to do. At some point, a bunch of white people got on, and the white section was already full. The bus driver tried to expand the white section beyond where Parks was sitting to accommodate the people just getting on, but she refused to move because she was tired.

      Not quite as simple as the story you usually hear.

    1. Yup. On his birthday and with ties to an “anti-government group.”

      This has all the makings of a very weird story. Who wins the narrative war? Depends on the *type* of “anti-government group,” I suppose.

      1. Tea Party? Sara Palin?

        1. Then the left gets to push gun control and “common sense” restrictions for the “mentally disturbed” (and we all know all veterans are “mentally disturbed”)… As well as spark up the argument about whether white Tea Party types are also terrorists.

          1. They’ll just continue to add to their groups of people who can’t have guns. It started with anyone who’s ever committed a felony. Next it will be ex-military, then those on the no fly list, then those on sex offender lists, then those ‘deemed’ to be mentally ill, then anyone who’s ever committed any crime, then traffic violations, then etc, etc, etc, until no one is allowed to own a gun. When they came for those with traffic violations, I said nothing, and now there is no one left to speak up for me.

          2. They also consider conservatives mentally ill

            stupid 50 char

            1. And climate deniers, definitely need a list for those crazies.

              1. From Almighty’s article:

                2) Delusion: climate is not changing

                1. Let’s see.

                  1) Obama is not a native-born American Christian.

                  Yes, I would definitely say he is NOT a Christian. Not that it matters.

                  2) Delusion: climate is not changing

                  I don’t know anyone who claims that the climate is not changing.

                  That’s a pretty bad track record starting out there, I stopped reading.

            2. I spent a few minutes typing up rebuttals to each of the ten character traits, but it was getting long and there really isn’t a point.

              Here’s a teaser of the article:

              4) Disordered Thinking: being for small government that’s huge in the bedroom; being anti-contraception and anti-abortion

              Because abortion happens in the bedroom and nobody could possibly have any reason to disagree with it outside of controlling sexual lives. And there isn’t another side to the contraceptive argument either. 7 year olds need condoms and Little Sisters of the Poor needs to pay for my girlfriend’s birth control. That’s the end of the story. Anyone who disagrees with this is mentally unstable.

              1. You remember when a Republican establishment was sending out good squads to break into bedrooms to see what people were doing sexually? Me either. Maybe they mean the WOD which is supported by both Rs and Ds?

              2. You seem to have missed that they’re paired. The point is the supposed contradiction of being against contraception and abortion at the same time

      2. Look at it this way. It’s 2016, and we change the race of every fictional character nowadays.

        This is just the reboot of the First Blood franchise.

        1. I don’t see what that clip has to do with fictional characters.

    2. The cops want to play army guy, so I guess they should be happy now. I’m in no way advocating what the guy did, just sayin, playing army guy can’t be much fun when you don’t have other army guys looking to shoot you at any given moment.

      1. What they’ll actually do is ban ex-military people from owning guns. Watch and see.

        1. They’ll just ban guns. No need to get specific.

        2. They’ll just ban guns. No need to get specific.

          1. They would if they could, but they can’t, so they’ll just keep adding people to lists and anyone on the lists can’t own a gun. This is how they will eventually disarm the vast majority of Americans.

            1. So, they’ll ban anyone who actually wants to own a gun, from owning a gun.

          2. And ban squirrels to. They consider them hoarders.

    3. Bush’s illegal wars shattered their minds while the Rethuglikkkans spit on them with draconian cuts in veterans benefits.

    4. This is one of the problems with having a 15 year war were you tell your warriors that they are defending American freedoms and those warriors come home and realize that the freedom they were defending was a lie.

  12. Which, since reported by MSNBC, begs the question for those empty headed, kumbaya-singing, soccer-mom, anti-violence tree-huggers (well, anti-violence until it’s time to take out a Randy Weaver):
    How is your gun control, wet dream gonna address the ex-military, honorable-discharged grunt?!!! You gonna walk him off into civilian land and ensure he turns in sidearm and M16 and kiss him on the forehead? Are you joking?
    The branches of the military control their inventories (whether guns on base or butter at the commissary) about as well as Marriott controls the room soaps on housekeeping service carts.
    By the way, there was a car accident on the freeway a few minutes ago. Time for a new gun law. “Something must be done.”

    1. I’m cutting and pasting now, like a true moron. This was meant for another article.

  13. Politics is a game of chance, like roulette, the ponies and craps. You put your money on what you perceive as the most likely outcome that will benefit you.

    Of Clinton, Trump and Johnson:

    Who is most likely to not engage in mass deportations?
    Who is most likely to stop federal drug raids?
    Who is most likely to cut spending?
    Who is most likely to limit transfer payments?
    Who is most likely to push for freer trade?
    Who is most likely to veto new idiotic regulations?

    If past performance is the best predictor of future performance, Johnson has already done some of these things. Hillary and Donald have never done these things and in most cases, have sworn not to do them.

    No matter how young you are you will not see a truly free country in your lifetime. Given the moral and intellectual state of the country that is an absolute fact. Get used to it.

    Your choice is freer or less free. Make your bet on the best possible outcome.

    1. You forgot “who is the least likely to get elected?”, which is required to do any of those things.

  14. You guys! I got two kittens and need names for them.

    ‘Muh Roads’ was already rejected by SO.

    1. Fuckoff and Slaver.

      Coase and NAP.

    2. Also, PICS

      1. Yeah, Kitty pics is obligatory.

      2. Here is one of them. His brother is a black/brown tabby.

        http://imgur.com/NVRDGif

        1. AWWW! KOTJONOK!)))))

          1. The Gray Mouser might serve.

        2. Cute. Some of my favorite cats ever have been white and gray tabbies.

    3. Fuck You and Cut Spending?

      1. I use to have that domain registered “fuckyoucutspending.com” but I let it go.

    4. I got two kittens and need names for them

      Mao and Chang.

      1. Alternatively, if one is darker than the other =

        Riggs and Murtaugh

      2. If one is stupid and the other is flamboyant =

        Bohdi and Utah

      3. If one is NA and the other is a badass, maybe Tonto and the Lone Ranger.

      4. if you have lots of cocktail parties with PhD’s =

        Niels and Werner

        1. No, it’s a cat. Erwin.

          1. Dead and Not Dead. That would be perfect.

            1. I’m a bit uncertain about those.

          2. Nazi generals are only acceptable if there is a featured “pair”. I don’t think George vs. Erwin works either.

        2. Deuterium and graphite.

            1. Marie and Pierre, then?

              1. Marie and Pierre

                Do you mean “Marie and Max“? Because thats pretty good.

      5. if one is a boy and the other a girl =

        Kimble (boy) and O’Hara (girl)

      6. If you are an Anglophile =

        William and Harold

    5. Ron and Paul.

      Lew Rockwell and Kick the Darkies Back to Africa.

    6. Liberty and Anarchy?

      Rogue and Radical?

    7. Free Market and Free Mind?

    8. Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich

      1. Why choose when you can have both?

      2. Quiet and Riot.

    9. I always go with old-fashioned names. Mine are named Maggie and Betty.

      1. I like this. Or Frederick and Lysander.

    10. “I hate those Mises to pieces.”

    11. Ludwig von Whiskers and Purr Pot

      1. Alternatively, Ludwig von Whiskers and Yowlton Friedman

    12. “Tooth” and”Claw”

      1. After their weapons… I like it.

        1. After Tennyson, but yeah…

    13. Molon & Labe

    14. When I was in college, I lived with an 18-pound tomcat (not a pet, a roommate) named Roadkill.

      1. Ha! In the 80s a roommate brought home a stray dog he rescued from a freeway off-ramp. She got named Roadkill.

        I took Roadie for her walk most nights. Turns out she was pregnant and had a litter of two. All 3 dogs were placed in good homes.

    15. Seen and Unseen.

      1. Winner.

    16. Orphan 1 and Orphan 2

    17. Bastiat and 45.

    18. Do people name cats so they’ll come when you call them?

      1. Don’t laugh, Fist of Taxonomy… My kitty in the USA (whom I had to leave behind and didn’t take it well) would come when and whence beckoned, upon command.

        Some cats are like that.

      2. The only word my cats understand is “hungry?”.

      3. Fist of Etiquette|7.17.16 @ 7:24PM| block | mute | #

        Do people name cats so they’ll come when you call them

        No. They are purely in-jokes that people try and guess the reason for when you have them over for drinks

        I didn’t realize my own cat had a racist name until i was in my 20s.

        1. At least you didn’t call him Nigger-Man.

    19. Yokel and Cosmo, obviously.

      1. This! Depending on which is the mangy outdoor cat and which is the snooty indoor cat

    20. Banjos and Sloopy.

    21. TANSTAAFL

  15. I’m gonna name my Maine Coone ‘Beowulf’.

    Bastiat and Jefferson?

    1. My proximity to Monticello would make Jefferson a good name. Also considered Lewis & Clark.

      1. Not sure about the libertarian credentials of Lewis or Clark.

        I really like the Charlottesville area, we were down there a couple of years ago. Monticello is something everyone should see at least once, very awesome.

    2. My main coon is named De’Andre.

  16. Rebel and Outcast?

  17. I named my Aussie ‘Outlaw’, true story.

    1. You can own an Aussie?

      1. Yeah, and you can actually have their tail cut off after birth. Then they sort of go crazy, so ownership is at your own risk.

        I was renting a house from a farmer who had about 4000 acres of land when I got my Aussie. I remember one time, I went to town to get some groceries. I was only gone about 15 minutes and the dog was lying on my back porch on the door step, which he liked to do. I told him to stay right the fuck there until I got back, and he understood it. He was a little pissed because he wanted to go and for whatever reason, I wasn’t in the mood to take him.

        I returned and he was right there where he was when I left. A few hours later my farmer landlord pulls up and comes to my door. He said something to the effect of ‘That damn dog of yers, he’s done attacked my chicken coops agin, and I’ve lost 6 chicken this time’. And I was like, umm, he’s been right here all day. I was gone for 15 minutes and it’s a mile to your place and you’re telling me my dog came down there and killed 6 chickens in that time and came back here? Are you sure it was my dog? So he says ‘I saw somethin silver and black like yer damn dog and it was fast so I couldn’t be sure, but I know it was that bastard. If he comes back down there again, I’m a gonna shoot him’. And I said ‘well, if he’s that fast, you probably can’t hit him, so ok’. I don’t know if it was him, but I wouldn’t put it past him, he was smart and crazy as hell also.

        1. I thought you meant the people. The dogs are not from Australia.

          1. Supposedly, John, the breed is a mix which includes the Australian wild dog, the Dingo. Which is where they got the name. Whatever the genealogy, they are incredibly agile and intelligent. They’re as fun to watch as cats.

            1. Oh you meant an Australian cattle dog. And they are all that. I thought you talking about an Australian Shelherd

              1. I was talking about an Australian Shepherd. And yes, I know they are an American creation. They’re amazing critters, which you already know if you’ve ever been around them.

              2. I’ve got a heeler. Always surprised when I come across people who know what they are.

                1. Smartest dog breed ever. Too bad they want to chew their tails off.

  18. http://dailycaller.com/2016/07…..nel-video/

    So much for the Louisiana thing being anything other what we feared it was.

    1. Just saw that…

      And the right takes a massive lead in the latest narrative battle.

      1. It sucks. If this continues and random murders of cops becomes a regular occurrence, things are going to get very bad.

        1. Unless these shooters are really putting all their money on “race war,” I do not understand what purpose they think these shootings serve.

          If anything, cops and suburbanite whites are going to crack down harder. You think cops were paranoid and edgy pulling over a black dude before all this? Man, you haven’t seen anything yet.

          1. The response to shootings of cops in NYC was to withdraw from the bad neighborhoods.

      2. “What’s good for Trump is good for America”

      1. Yes feared. And go to fucking hell if you think I thought otherwise.

        1. The Keebler elves?

      1. Did he ever ride the Orange Line or sip lattes?

    2. Well, so much for this ‘New Freedom’ shit. Obama haz a sad.

      1. Mixed bag for Obama.

        He already put his chips on “race-oriented cop killer” in his speech. Likely that the FBI or some other agency already knew this (Obama was briefed before hand), so this probably doesn’t come as much of a surprise to him.

      2. Black Nationalists would be racist and anti-government. There is nothing unusual about a Black “sovereign citizen” either. They may well outnumber the white ones (GA has a lot). It is more a tactic and attitude than an ideology, a total rejection of the law and societal norms.

        1. You’re messing with the narrative, shut up.

        2. Isn’t a sovereign citizen somebody who isn’t bound by the laws that the government made? If so, Hillary and Obama are the quintessential sovereign citizens.

    3. Are these shooters ever going to be found to be Johnson/Weld devotees? Get the LP some free advertising. Free advertising, as you know, is something you just can’t buy.

        1. Crackers, lol. Somehow, that doesn’t even offend me, at all. It’s stupid.

          I’m just making a wild guess here, but maybe if the Democrats would stop stirring racial division and let blacks out of the segregated hellholes they’ve been forcing them into for the last 50 years, this would change. I mean maybe if blacks knew white people personally and whites knew black people personally, this would change. I work with blacks, we have black friends, and guess what? It’s like there’s no fucking problem! All of this resentment and anger is caused by racial divisiveness, stirred up by assholes like Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and Barack Obama. And now people are dying because of it. I hope you are happy, you race baiting shitheads

      1. The media would immediately portray them as Tea Party activists. They can’t tell the difference.

    4. Talk about burying the lede:

      Long, who operated a self-motivation website called “Convos with Cosmo,” also appears to have tweeted hours before the attack unfolded.

      In one video posted in recent weeks, Long left a cryptic message that may have foretold Sunday’s attack. And though he said he was once a member of the Nation of Islam, the radical sect led by Louis Farrakhan, Long also said that he had no affiliations with outside groups.

      “I thought my own thoughts. I made my own decisions. I’m the one who’s got to listen the judgement. That’s it. And my heart is pure,” he said.
      If anything happens with me, because I’m an alpha male, I stand up, I stand firm, I stand for mine, until the end,” he said.

      “Yeah, I also was a Nation of Islam member. Don’t affiliate me with it. Don’t affiliate me with anything.”

      1. And here’s his “Everything I do is for the woman

        I have watched 5 videos, and i haven’t heard him say a single thing about “crackers” yet.

        1. ?Freedom Strategist ?Radio Host ?Mental Game Coach ?Alpha Preneur ?Author ?World Explorer ?Former Marine.
          ??Ethiopian Bloodline??

          1. Yeah, and nothing there about “Fuck Whitey”

        2. All I’m gathering from the long trail of videos that I’m not going to watch is that he was a heroic-level narcissist.

          1. That’s a pretty succinct summary

        1. Dammit…I was saving that one for a special occasion!

          1. I totally approve that video. (:

    5. “Baton Rouge Shooter Gavin Eugene Long Was Nation Of Islam Member, Railed Against ‘Crackers’ On YouTube Channel”

      So, “motive unclear”?

      /sarc

  19. I had the parental units on board with Johnson.

    Then they saw an interview where he stated that he hadn’t smoked any pot in almost ten weeks.

    Yeah, yeah, I said all the same old stuff.

    I had them sold, though, and that unsold them.

    Winning elections is about getting people who aren’t libertarians to vote for somebody. If we usually poll 1% but now we’re polling 10%, that means 90% of the people who are polling for Johnson don’t usually vote libertarian. Yeah, maybe they’re libertarians who don’t realize they’re libertarians and why yet; regardless, third party candidates can’t be about getting the vote out. It’s gotta be about swing voters.

    Swing voters are people who vote for you even if they aren’t libertarians.

    1. You should listen to your parents, Ken.

    2. Maybe it would be a good thing if the fucker would just shutup about that and not talk about it? Oh, I just stopped weed and I’m razor sharp. No, you fucking goober, you sound like an idiot, just STFU already.

      1. you fucking goober

        I knew you were part of the HINH-SPIRACY!

        1. Where is Hihn anyway? Earlier he was running around calling everyone an idiot for thinking the Baton Rouge incident was maybe related to the other recent shit.

          He’s a man of honor, so I imagine he’ll show up any minute to discuss the situation rationally.

          1. He’ll be ’round in 8 or 9 hours to corpse fuck the thread if the orderlies haven’t taken away his internet privileges by then, and if he can stay awake that long.

        2. You, fucking Goober? Ew.

  20. It’s time for us to start dressing up at work and being nice to people. Tell people you’re a libertarian.

    Maybe what we need is a libertarian pride parade.

    It’s time for libertarians to come out of the closet. Being libertarian isn’t something to be ashamed of. Screaming “NAP” in people’s faces when they have no idea what that is is something to be ashamed of–but not being libertarian.

    1. I do that (being nice to people. Tell people you’re a libertarian). Guess what happens?

      1. This? (Gads, I *still* can’t stand Catty Tequila-shitz).

        1. Well, not exactly. They just get this smirky all knowing grin, when in reality, they don’t even know what the fuck I’m talking about, let alone know better. But that’s the norm.

    2. It’s time for us to start dressing up at work and being nice to people. Tell people you’re a libertarian.

      If this were a winning strategy the country would be roughly 75% Mormon.

      1. If we were as successful as the Mormons, how awesome would that be?

        1. The key to success is to breed our own libertarians?

      2. Oh, and there is no Mormon pride parade.

        1. Oh, and there is no Mormon pride parade.

          When the State of Utah (non-Fed land) is, for all intents and purposes, owned by TCJC-LDS, one don’t >need no stinkin’ pride parade, Ken…

        2. HTML FAIL. Looks like I need a quick cat nap before work. Do spoko!

      3. At least they don’t get blamed for stuff, afaik

    3. “It’s time for us to start dressing up at work and being nice to people.”

      That’s not going to make other people smarter.

      1. At least people at work won’t be looking at your junk.

      2. If we can’t figure out how to appeal to stupid people, then maybe we’re not as smart as we think.

      3. Ken’s actually right about this. One of the keys to being persuasive is to avoid disgusting people. Looking clean and well groomed helps. You also want to avoid presenting libertarian ideas in ways that come across as offensive. You want to make the other side the gross, offensive side, not you.

        Unfortunately, many libertarians just can’t resist pushing other people’s disgust buttons. There is something irresistable about the look of shock you get when one comes out in favor of legalizing heroin or prostitution, and many libertarians seems to revel in doing that.

        I suspect that a lot of libertarians like Trump for the same reason. They enjoy the fact that he disgusts and offends people. But it’s not really a winning strategy in the end.

        1. I avoid disgusting people wherever I see them.

        2. Hey, it got Obama Biden’s vote.

  21. Daiy Caller:

    Baton Rouge Shooter Gavin Eugene Long Was Nation Of Islam Member

    New Freedom Group, Nation of Islam… what’s the difference, right? All them teabaggers are the same.

    1. Daily Caller, GDit

  22. I know I shouldn’t just make assumptions based on what’s on the news, but it looks like things are kind of going downhill.

    1. The death tolls lately, although headline-grabbing, aren’t really even the story. It’s the number of ways in which it’s happening.

      -War on Blacks? War on Cops? Neither and the name doesn’t matter. But it’s certainly starting to look like a thing.
      -Coup in Turkey? Who knows where that’s leading, but probably nowhere good. It may seem kinda minor now that it’s “over,” but this is a NATO ally that recently underwent a military coup, ostensibly to make Turkey more liberal. Said coup failed horribly.
      -The various terror attacks… Everywhere…That’s not getting better and certainly seems to be getting worse over the last couple of years.

      The question is, do these phenomena cause negative or positive feedback on similar phenomena? Do they purge some of the built-up frustrations that everyone acknowledged but nobody talked about? Or do they embolden more of the same?

      1. If the Turkey coup had succeeded, we would have been in an extremely difficult position. I don’t know if the North Atlantic Treaty has any provisions about helping to put down insurrections. I would be surprised if it doesn’t, given that that was a major commie tactic when it was signed.

        1. Turkey has been through a couple of coups since joining NATO and I don’t think there was *major* external intervention. But I’m certainly no expert on the matter.

        2. I think it was mentioned the other day that no, internal scuffles aren’t relevant.

    2. Take care of yourself and embrace apathy, because that is all you can do. Well, that and various states of inebriation.

      1. Working on the latter. The former is a given.

      2. Studying other historical eras is helpful, because it gives some perspective. “Well, those guys didn’t have it so great, either.”

        Even when we contemplate a nuclear holocaust – Barbara Tuchman looked back to the Black Death as a reference point.

        And short of a nuclear holocaust, most of the stuff we’ve seen, humanity can say, “yeah, been there, done that, got the T-shirt” – war, disease, fire, famine and slaughter.

  23. The campaign’s mono-focus continues to be on getting into the nationally televised presidential debates,

    So he can fellate Hillary on an even bigger stage!

  24. Here’s what seems to me the most coherent video from the Baton Rouge shooter which provides some insights into his psychology & rationale

    “”My Thoughts On Self-Defense & Self-Preservation“”

    one might actually suggest it (almost – not quite, but almost) has libertarian ideas in there.

    The things coming out of the videos is not so much “racial animus” against white people at all, but more of a psychotic focus on what “Being a Man in America” really should require of someone. He’s one of these self-help/spirituality-obsessed people, who seems more concerned with whether he’s doing the “right thing” to master his own destiny rather than someone who actually has any interactions with white folks which rub him the wrong way.

    1. His self preservation seems to be focused on the Devils that control the world exterminating blacks.

      1. The defense rests, your honor.

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        His self preservation seems to be focused on the Devils that control the world exterminating blacks.

        Please link us all to a clip where he says that?

        because i’ve watched 7 of his videos, and i can find more anti-white hatred and vituperation in your average social-justice tumblr than i can in this “black power” guy’s videos. He hasn’t even mentioned white people once (in what i’ve seen)

        1. Whatever the one in the hotel was where he rambles on about how rights don’t matter because Devils control the world and will arrest you and that’s why our people are being killed.

    2. I fear that such nuance is going to be lost in all this. I mean the Dally Caller/WND-sphere has already created the narrative of Gavin X, the Bean-Pie Avenger.

      1. Sometimes people are reluctant to buy into sophistry.

    3. So… he’s a PUA?

      1. No. Among his many accomplishments he’s a “Mental Game Coach” and an “Alpha Preneur”.

        Completely different.

        1. Are those the same thing as “nutcase”?

          Because I’m going to guess that’s what the media will go with, if it can’t pin this on the right.

          “See? We need to disarm more weirdos.”

            1. Remote brain experimentation, eh?

              (sound of cuckoo clock striking the hour)

    4. The guy is absolutely right. You have a right to self defense. And sorry, proglotards, it’s not 1778, a musket loader is not going to do it.

  25. I just had a very random thought which isn’t very nice, but i’ll share it anyway.

    I was re-watching the above video from the kooky Baton Rouge shooter, and musing on wtf his major malfunction is.

    then i just thought, “He never had a dad”.

    I don’t mean this in a typical, “PROBLEM WITH BLACK KIDS TODAY IS THE FAMILY UNIT HAS BEEN COMPROMISED” type bullshit.

    I mean in a very simple, ‘this guy right here is struggling with the fact he doesn’t have a dad’.

    His whole self-help shtick, his need for “rules” and seeking out authorities to explain shit… its all just grasping in the dark for someone to tell him how to be.

    anyway, just a thought. for all i know he had a dad and he’s just a fucking douchebag with some sick ego-problems.

  26. I don’t have all the historical data at my fingertips, but it’s a safe bet that 13 percent is the highest number a Libertarian Party presidential candidate has ever registered.
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  27. Who is worse Gary Johnson or Donald Trump.

    Let’s hear from all the fauxtarians out there who will presently explain how Gary Johnson isn’t a real libertarian, so therefore, you should vote for Trump because Hillary Clinton is the devil.

  28. I was only gone about 15 minutes and the dog was lying on my back porch on the door step, which he liked to do. I told him to stay right the fuck there until I got back, and he understood it.

  29. “for which Johnson would have to average 15 percent across a set of polls that have yet to be identified by the Democratic/Republican-controlled Commission on Presidential Debates.”

    So they pick the polls where the third parties perform the worst.

  30. They are not going to let him debate. It would show just how shallow Clinton and Trump are

  31. Got my vote but damn he’s goofy!

  32. RE: Gary Johnson Reaches All-Time Polling High of 13% on Eve of GOP Convention
    Two other national polls put the Libertarian’s support at 11% and 8%

    This is a bad sign.
    There are people in this country who actually believe in the out-dated US Constitution and the archaic and old-fashioned values of economic prosperity, breaking free from Uncle Sam’s plantation and leaving other people alone.
    Where’s the secret police when you need them?

  33. And there is tangible Garymentum: Compared to the same outfit’s poll one month ago, Clinton/Trump are virtually unchanged, the presumptive Green Party nominee Stein is down two percentage points, and Johnson is up four

    And if Saturn’s 3rd moon is in phase with Venus…..

    Where was this picture taken? Is he handing out towels?

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