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Three Police Officers Shot Dead, More Injured in Baton Rouge

Shooting follows fatal police killing of Alton Sterling.

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Police officials in Baton Rouge, Louisiana have confirmed that at least three police officers were killed, and several more injured, in a shooting this morning. The city's mayor has described the shooting as an "ambush." 

The shooting took place near a convenience store, after officers responded to reports of shots fired around 9 a.m. this morning. It's unclear how many shooters were involved, but police say they believe there is more than one suspect. Reports indicate that one suspect is dead. Local news outlet WAFB reports that area police says the scene is now "contained." 

Tensions have run high in Baton Rouge since the fatal police shooting of Alton Sterling, 37, on July 5, outside a convenience store. The shooting was caught on video.

Black Lives Matter activists have organized multiple protests in the city, and police have arrested both activist leaders and journalists at the rallies. 

Update: Baton Rouge police are now saying they do not believe the shooting is "race related," according to CNN reports.

This story is developing.

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  1. Ooh – this is getting ugly

    1. Yeah, fuck these psycho assholes. This is only going to set back policing reform and criminal justice reform back decades. Murdering cops is not the fucking answer.

      1. We get to read about Kathryn Johnston and babies getting flashbanged, about dirty cops setting low-level drug offenders up as informants so the informants can get whacked, about beating after beating after wrong-door no-knock raid. All at the hands of state warriors fighting a monstrously unjust vice war.

        We make a little progress. Body cams enter the national conversation and become a thing.

        Then this shit erases it all. Now the national conversation is going to be war on cops and respect my authoritah. All because retarded assholes think killing cops is the answer to bad cops.

        1. So . . . if institutionalized authority continues to run unchecked and violate people’s rights – cops shoot people at the drop of a hat and the judicial system, from their peers all the way to the USSC, bends over backwards to ensure that they suffer as little consequence as possible – and perpetuate *systemic* incentives for bad behavior on the part of police officers (vice ‘crime’ details, DUI overtime, civil asset forfeiture, etc) and the populace *complains* and is pretty much ignored (because its going to take a wholesale removal of the current management of police forces across the country and at all levels in order to effect significant culture change within *any* large organization) we should just . . . what? Cry louder?

          The cops – the one’s here, in Dallas, and NYC – may be good people, may be bad people, probably are decent people who’ve done good and bad things with that badge probably did not earn those bullets personally and their families have my sympathy.

          But I can’t sit here and drum up a whole lot of outrage that this has happened. The police have been acting like a gang for a long time now, have been routinely filmed acting as a gang, have repeatedly shrugged off any suggestion that they *aren’t a gang* and are responsible to the populace. So when someone takes a shot at a gangbanger, well its not exactly unexpected.

        2. It’s almost like #BLM was designed to derail police accountability and criminal justice reform.

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  2. Reason runs a story about there being no war on cops, and then this happens. Do we need any more proof that Reason is a terrorist organization?

    1. They’re libertarians, which is much worse. Terrorists you’re allowed to shoot.

      1. Technically, the “no war on cops” article was penned by Chapman.

        I know libertarians.
        Libertarians were friends of mine.
        Chapman…..

        1. It was Tim Lynch.

          1. Apologies, and thank you, XM.
            I was erroneously thinking of Chapman’s straw man arguments in his “Black Demands and White Fears” article.

    2. This shooting isn’t proof there’s a war on cops, but if it is the totality of rhe evidence shows the police declared war on the people a long time ago.

      1. There’s something awfully karmic about this. Seneca Officer Mark Tillet and Solicitor Chrissy Adams proved cops and prosecutors exist to murder kids for victimless fun and by mock trial let them escape justice. Anyone can watch large numbers of videos of… well… pigs murdering unarmed people by shooting them in the back. The exact same thing went on in 1927 when all preachers, schoolmarms, judges and politicians swore that beer was a deadly addictive narcotic and that bootleggers deserved to be shot. OF COURSE bootleggers returned fire. George Holy War Bush repeated this 65 years later, calling for the deaths of hemp kingpins.

        –Oh you who place your faith in fire, in fire your faith shall be repaid. Until cops openly refuse to murder people over superstitious quackery, they will get no sympathy from me.

    3. Pull your head out of your ass. The cops came because their was gun play already. Sorry,

      Next hysteria?

      1. Hihn means “hysteria” on whatever planet you’re from, right?

        1. It means you suffer severe denial. Perhaps worse than the Birthers.

          Baton Rouge Advovate (newspaper)

          Dispatch reports on police scanners show police on Sunday morning were responding to a report of a man armed with an assault rifle near the B-Quik store on Airline Highway across the street from Hammond Aire Plaza.

          WAFB TV (local)

          A witness described hearing at least 25 to 30 gunshots when the shooting began. The witness believes the shooting started before police arrived.

          “I walked out into the street to see what was going on, there was a man lying in the street,” the witness said. “I assume he was dead because he wasn’t moving.”

          During a call to dispatch an officer said, “unknown where the shots are coming from.”

          Multiple agencies responded to the call of shots fired shortly before 9 a.m. at the B Quick gas station on Airline Hwy near Old Hammond, which is located less than a mile from BRPD Headquarters.

          —–

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          On your way out.

          1. Do these posts embarrass you now, or are you more feral bird than human, dropping your shit wherever before flying away?

            1. See the bully (Hooha) make a fool of itself!

              Do these posts embarrass you now, or are you more feral bird than human, dropping your shit wherever before flying away?

              It was all new reports from linked sources. So you’ve made an ass of yourself. You may be a goober who’s just pissed because your BLM conspiracy delusions, like his, were crushed.

              Do you always use taunts of a 12-year-old kid? Do you giggle while typing them?

              Thank you for playing. Please select a lovely parting gift.
              On your way out (sneer)

  3. There wasn’t ever a War on Cops in the past, but I think we’re getting to a point where we can acknowledge there might be one now.

    1. Maybe a Kinetic Action on Cops.

    2. Pretty much this. Two more cop killings and we can declare there actually to be a war on cops. Right now it’s still in the real possibility but it might putter out phase.

      1. So it’d be the cops against an army of four? Godspeed to them.

        1. Sensationalist crimes tend to go in patterns. First we had the serial killers, then we had the school shooters, now it looks like the crime de’jour for the insane might become cop killing. If we get four major killing against cops in such a short amount of time it will be a sign that its probably not going to stop anytime soon.

          1. There is also a war on bias-free reporting without an agenda to reinforce a particular world view on order to cement viewership for higher ratings.

            1. Another “100 Years War” then.

        2. Obama has way more than four ghetto brownshirts in his army, stupid.

          1. Wipe the drool from your chin and go to your Klavern rally.

            1. Check your mirror, you corpse-fucking demented old twat.

              1. Ohhhh, the racists are out tonight.
                booga-booga

      2. None of these are wars. Poverty never surrendered to Lyndon Johnson, not drugs to Dick Nixon, Ford, or Bush. Bushie’s asset forfeiture ruined the economy but terrorism hasn’t surrendered. But suppose the cops agree there is a war on them… who do they surrender to?
        A real war is declared, and one side or the other sues for “peace with honor.” Only by voting libertarian can the American people break the chokehold organized murdering mysticism and entrenched looter extortion have on the nation. Voting for looters keeps information from politicians, so they rob and murder all the more. LOSING votes and elections gets their attention, and the learning and “repeal with honor” can then begin.

        1. Hank often shows us why the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians Cato survey

          Is it possible that libertarianism has been crippled by zealots and fanatics, True Believers, just like liberalism, conservatism and socialism? Lord Action did say that power corrupts, eh?

    3. The state declared a war on the populace first. The War on Drugs is a war on “undesirable” Americans that has been waged to ruin Americans’ lives, throw them in prison for unjustifiably long periods of times, tear apart their families, prevent them from obtaining gainful employment, and steal their money and property. The War on Drugs has been used to justify extreme state violence and the abridgment of basic rights.

      We should have stopped the War on Drugs by now but it’s just gotten more excessive. But most of us are not affected by it or don’t care that its victims are generally those we do not care about or can be easily demonized.

      We reap what we sow. It is sad. It is a disgrace. But we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

      1. I came here to say just that.

      2. Blowback, its not just for the Middle East anymore.

        1. Blowback? It doesn’t exist! Blowback implies that the government did something to deserve retaliation! You can’t say that! Those are our sons and daughters out there carrying guns for the government! They didn’t intend for this to happen! So it can’t be blowback! Blowback would mean it is their fault! It’s not their fault! Traitor! Love it or leave it!

          1. I don’t see how we get past this pervasive sentiment.

            1. Me neither. All we can do is watch as those good intentions pave the road to hell.

            2. Um… by, like, voting for rights and freedom for a change?

              1. Any day now, I’m sure.

            3. Ignoring it when we can, smashing it when we can’t.

      3. True. However going after the low level enforcers may give them the most satisfaction but isn’t going to help the problem. The fascist politicians love a good war against the plebs. They’re more likely to double down on a war then reform.

        1. I agree. The most one can expect from something like this is more difficulty getting much needed police reforms enacted.

          More likely, it will justify more authoritIan police state policies and less oversight of the police than we have now.

          But the police are the ones on the ground and in the front lines, both in terms of enforcing unjust and unconstitutional laws and facing the blowback from that.

      4. Hey, if you don’t want a war on drug users, stop voting in – or refusing to vote out – drug warriors. This commenter places the blame squarely on you.

        1. Tank Bob someone around here has a grip on ethics, karma and causality! The stark fist of retribution is what they voted for and got, so alluva sudden they can dish it out but they can’t take it. Boooo hoooo.

      5. Yeah. The blowback moment has arrived.

        I’m sorry. When you kill a child carrying a toy and get off, you know you’ve jumped the shark.

        We – as in society – doesn’t see the seething anger of people who face injustice at the hands of people who are supposed to protect the people. The only time we do *see* it is through stuff like this.

        It’s awful. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    4. I wonder how many conservatives are secretly ecstatic about this shooting so they can go “see, I told you there was a war on cops!!”

        1. I am more a war briefs kinda guy.

          1. Dammit. This phone will die a horrible death. I’m currently taking suggestions for fun ways to kill it.

            1. Anything that involves firearms, Tannerite?, or Tannerite? + firearms.

              Although I’ve always been a fan of liquid nitrogen immersion followed by high-speed application of the business end of a three-pound hammer…

              1. Explosions are fun.

            2. Trade it in for a little bit of store credit. Make it watch you buy its replacement using the little bit of trade-in value it’s worth.

              1. “You see what you made me do?! You happy now?!”

                1. “You know I love you, baby! Why you make me trade you in for a newer model?”

      1. David French was already taking pen to paper.

    5. On what misnformation do you say that?

  4. Enough with this Helter Skelter bullshit already! This is fucking insane.

    1. Says the woodchipper terrorist. (lol)
      The police were called because there was already gunplay. But you’ve been suckered so you’ll refuse to change your story.

      1. Oh Michael, you really can be tiresome sometimes. Ever thought about doing something else with your spare time? You really seem like you could use a hobby.

        Also, I don’t have any attatchment to a particular narrative so if you have any information regarding the events, do share and perhaps I’ll be convinced. But the “we disagree/I can’t take a joke” = “you’re a terrorist” angle is just kinda lame, no? You can do better.

        1. “you’re a terrorist” angle is just kinda lame, no?

          Says the terrorist who celebrates feeding enemies into a woodchipper, the only issue being head-first or feet-first. Since you asked, this will further confirm your blunder

          Baton Rouge Advovate (newspaper)

          Dispatch reports on police scanners show police on Sunday morning were responding to a report of a man armed with an assault rifle near the B-Quik store on Airline Highway across the street from Hammond Aire Plaza.

          WAFB TV (local)

          A witness described hearing at least 25 to 30 gunshots when the shooting began. The witness believes the shooting started before police arrived.

          “I walked out into the street to see what was going on, there was a man lying in the street,” the witness said. “I assume he was dead because he wasn’t moving.”

          During a call to dispatch an officer said, “unknown where the shots are coming from.”

          Multiple agencies responded to the call of shots fired shortly before 9 a.m. at the B Quick gas station on Airline Hwy near Old Hammond, which is located less than a mile from BRPD Headquarters.

          1. Why don’t you fucking reply within a reasonable time of the post you’re replying to? Oh yeah, you corpse fuck so you can pretend you “won” because you got the last word. HURR DURRR!

            1. Why do bullies lilke WTF always make an ass of themselves?

              Why don’t you fucking reply within a reasonable time of the post you’re replying to?

              (smirk) I replied in only 1 hour and 42 minutes.

              Then you posted your trash mouth aggression FIFTEEN HOUS LATER ,… AND CALL ME A CORPSE FUCKER???? BWAAAAHAHAHA

              you corpse fuck so you can pretend you “won” because you got the last word. HURR DURRR!

              (sneer) Did YOU win your 15 hour corpse fuck? I keep telling you to seek help for that raging hatred. But now you’ve gone TOTALLY off the rails, and it may be too late. Yoiu may be a hopeless case.

              (walks away laughing hystericallty)

              (posted as self-defense against multiple aggressions by serial stalking goober)

  5. More workplace violence.

  6. Start a war, get a war.

    1. Start a war, get a war.

      Fight a war when you’re out-numbered, out- gunned and on the wrong side in public opinion, watch Sherman march to the sea burning everything in his path.

  7. Good grief, this has to stop already. Screw all of the political figures and talking heads in the media who’ve tried to further politicize and polarize an issue like this. That includes Giuliani, Obama, Holder, Lynch, Trump, Christie, Clinton, Tom Cotton, etc.

    I’m sick of this partisan shit. Stop whining about a lack of “law and order” (aka — eventual martial law), and stop jumping the gun on every shooting before the facts are known (that goes double for the Obama administration).

    1. Good luck with that. We are at the point where news stories will start with:
      “Breaking news. More proof that there is a war on police emerged today, making more urgent efforts to give police officers more leeway in use of deadly force to protect their lives and keep us all safe from the darkness of the criminal element. In Baton Rouge, where police officers have already been under fire from hoodie-wearing hoodlums thirty seven times this year, an incident today….”

      1. Start practicing your Batman voice. We’re going to need it.

    2. Bingo. Look how many goobers here are screeching about another BLM conspiracy.
      But the very FIRST news report said there was gunplay before the cops arrived. Later expanded to say the police were called because of the gunshots, (sigh)

      1. These fossilized nuggets of intellectual feces are the only good thing about the lack of an edit button on these boards.

        1. ANOTHER GOOBER!

          Bingo. Look how many goobers here are screeching about another BLM conspiracy.
          But the very FIRST news report said there was gunplay before the cops arrived. Later expanded to say the police were called because of the gunshots, (sigh)

          These fossilized nuggets of intellectual feces are the only good thing about the lack of an edit button on these boards.

          You attack me AGAIN for … stating news reports. (gasp)
          Are you ENRAGED because your BLM hate-conspiracy keeps getting jammed down your throat?

          Oh well, this on is not such total humiliation for you as your MASSIVE screwup:
          https://reason.com/blog/2016/07…..nt_6272635

          Is he stalking me? A playground bully with a potty mouth? (snicker)

    3. With looters-by-law calling the shots, the oceans will dry up completely before “the facts” are “known…”
      Looter politicians hire cops to repress, loot, rob and murder with impunity. There are hours of footage of this. The cops are doing what they are paid to do–and it ain’t defense of individual rights. This is a political party problem, not wrong candidate problem. The Dem and GOP sell the wrong ethical principles, wrong function of government, and wrong methods of inference, but they respond to being slapped upside the head with spoiler votes cast FOR the right principles.

  8. RIP: Police Reform this decade

    1. Hey, more reason for always-on vest cameras. Get video evidence of the cop-killers.

  9. Martial law for election season?

  10. Remember when we were all bored sick hearing about Brexit?

    I miss those days.

    1. We are in the age of the Sanitexit.

  11. Mr. Hatfield, I’d like you to meet Mr. McCoy. Mr. McCoy, meet Mr. Hatfield.

  12. “This drug thing, this ain’t police work. No, it ain’t. I mean, I can send any fool with a badge and a gun up on them corners and jack a crew and grab vials. But policing? I mean, you call something a war and pretty soon everybody gonna be running around acting like warriors. They gonna be running around on a damn crusade, storming corners, slapping on cuffs, racking up body counts. And when you at war, you need a fucking enemy. And pretty soon, damn near everybody on every corner is your fucking enemy. And soon the neighborhood that you’re supposed to be policing, that’s just occupied territory. ” -Bunny Colvin

    1. Best cop drama series ever.

      Actually, to my mind, The Wire is the only good cop drama series ever.

      Every other cop drama series has been loaded with cliche-ridden cop beatification bullshit.

      Here’s a challenge. I’m willing to accept that there have been shows that have not uniformly glorified the kind of violence and disregard for due process done by cops on the typical cop show, I just can’t think of any. Who can?

      1. Breaking bad wasn’t uniformly glorifying. Honest?
        Trailer park boys?

        1. Is “Breaking Bad” a cop drama or a crime drama?

          Haven’t actually watched it but from reviews etc it sounds more like social satire.

          1. I guess it’d fall under crime drama. The police aspects don’t glorify it, but do show some police brutality for what it is.

        1. I’ll check it out.

          1. not a drama, but don’t let that stop you. unless you hate Andy Samberg, then do let that stop you.

        2. In that vein, there’s Reno 911.

      2. Andy Griffith.

        1. 🙂

      3. Barney Miller.

        1. Like “Andy Griffith”, not drama.

      4. Barney Miller.

        1. ditto

      5. I wouldn’t know. I quit watching when Police State and Police Woman replaced Mod Squad–shrieking that all crime–especially victimless crime–hadda have victims, and it was up to the cops to murder a few as examples and DELIVER those victims like Mr Gattis DELIVERS pizzas. The vidiots got what they ordered, and it wasn’t rights or freedom.

        1. Sorta, kinda my point.

          Who can forget “Cagney and Lacey” which delivered the feminist message that wymminz cops could be just as badass violating defendants rights as the male hierarchy.

  13. I’m really starating to see a scenario where trump is elected. I bet hillary will go full law and order here in the next few weeks.

    1. She’s far too beholden to BLM. Not gonna happen!

      1. Their useless to her know she has the nomination. Loom for a sister soldier moment

        1. She needs the black vote. She came out after the first multiple cop shooting and blamed it on white people.

    2. While it’s of course always about perception, the idea that more chaos in the world helps Trump is funny. It’s not as if Clinton is some peace-lovin’ hippie. She’s eager to crack some skulls in the mideast, and Sanders’s campaign made sure everyone remembered her “superpredator” position in the 90s.

      1. I think that is true and she is stuck. If she isn’t blantantly bloodthirsty, Democrats will justify it. Have you ever seen them in Libya?

        I just think she will feel the need to move to the right in rhetoric. Which could sink her too

        1. She will demand that abortion be banned and hempheads hanged? Isn’t “to the right” toward mystical conservatism and an Islamic State?

  14. Well, tat least it ended that Hillary/Trump abomination-thread.

    1. Oh yeah? Haven’t seen the comments in that thread yet. Worth a look?

      1. Worth a look?

        Not unless you want to ruin your favorable impression of radley balko, and watch people’s faces melt like the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

        1. “Oh boy, face melting!”

          *Sees John and Tony arguing about Presidential candidates.*

          “Noooooope. Just nope.”

    2. I had no idea that thread existed until you said something. I opened the first story there.

      So I read the story and started on the comments but decided that I’d just go ahead and log off of here for good.

      I feel ashamed I named my daughter after Reason now. They care more about social signaling than the rule of law, gun running, warmongering, attacks on te 1A and 2A or even a semblance of pulling back from our socialist lurch to te left. They can all go fuck themselves. Goodbye.

      1. Most were former reason people, right?
        I find it best to avoid any article that involves a who’s better contest or the libertarian case for (anti libertarian thing).

      2. NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        1. You guys have my email address. Let me know when you find a site not run by cowards that would rather social signal instead of have a clown at least uphold our 1A and 2A rights.

          I’ll be happy to join you there.

          1. There are a few sites out there. Ain’t this one. But man, my sister’s interminable farewell dances when visiting my mother are making your byes look downright eye-blinking.

            1. Oh shit, vice-versa.

              1. How many dipwads in this thread don’t know that the gunhots stared BEFORE the cops came. They were called. It was in the very first breaking report.

                Then again, BLM terrorists could have been firing shots into the air, so cops would be called to the premeditated slaughter. That would keep the conspiracy nuts foaming at the mouth, so let’s go with that.

                  1. Swiss Servtor, now stalking me. calls me a BULLY!!!!!!!!!
                    Because I ……. posted a new story???
                    Is he pissed because his vast conspiracy of BLM terrorists has been demolished?
                    So who’s the bully here? And why does he keep trying to suppress … the news? (gasp)

                1. MH, exactly how many times do you plan on repeating this little factoid? FOAD Already!

                  Your Hihn-Sight is so 20/20.

                  1. Obviously all the bigots haven’t seen any of them, (Am I going too fast for you?)
                    So why would you want to hide the truth.

          2. I can relate, but to run from battle and turn into panhandlers is… well… what objectivists were ordered to do by Peter the Human Skunk. Besides, only 1 in 3 people can see reality (Asch, 1955) but it takes only single dissenter to skew mob hysteria by about 17%. The commies send looter anarchists in here and the prohibitionists send mindless Jesus freaks to tell us the initiation of force is goood. Besides, it’s un-Texan to turn tail and run.

            1. Does anyone here ever understand what the fuck ^^this guy^^ is saying? Agile makes more sense.

      3. Come for the comments, STAY for the comments, Sloop.

        I agree that some writer’s squishiness here has gotten super-retarded; but then its just an opportunity to beat them mercilessly about it. Its the only decent workout some people get.

        i think whiney commenters can be more tedious than the writers. They act like a handful of Yokeltarians or hillary-aplogists have ruined their lives; and that any discussion of pragmatic politics is an abandonment of the all-important Libertarian Party and its fat-stripping, Nazi-cake-baking ideals.

        everyone’s self-image is so sensitive that they’re aghast that anyone could possibly consider voting for [insert unacceptable candidate here]. I think its foolish.

        I personally have always believed in a pluralistic world and prefer one where people can agree about ideas, while differing entirely on things like “who to vote for president”; which isnt nearly as important as people make it out to be.

        People who call themselves libertarians and yet demand some sort of uniformity of opinion are the apex of ‘Tardery.

        1. You should never expect uniformity of opinion. You can, however, expect good faith opinion. The problem is that so much of the opinion the staff really isn’t in good faith.

          1. The problem is that so much of the opinion the staff really isn’t in good faith.

            I presume you’re a believer in the “Kerry Howley”-brand-cynicism? who once said (paraphrasing)

            Reason Libertarians are just smart kids the super-rich pay to say nice things about them”

            I don’t know how accurate that really is, but like Kerry, it certainly is cute.

            The suggestion seems to be that all of them are at least a little full-of-shit.

            1. *correction – i found the source


              Kerry Howley @KerryHowley

              I thought cato was just a place where smart people took free money from rich people. The Kochs think it’s influential?

              I think i’m just conflating this comment with something WW said about Reason Libertarians being temporary PR people for actual libertarian ideas which few of them actually believe.

              Although that too is probably just a conflation of a number of other things he said. My memory is one big stew of general-impressions converted into quotes for convenience

              1. I LOVE to watch a pair of militant retards bloviating on …. nothing.

          2. Speaking of Jesus freak infiltrators here to preach the “pro-life-after-death” line…

      4. And your comment isn’t about social signalling, no sirree.

        1. *shrugs*

          I found Gilmore’s post to be quite even-handed.

          1. I thought I was responding to Sloopy, not Gilmore (who I presume changed his handle to Dennis?).

            1. who I presume changed his handle to Dennis?

              I have always been Dennis; this “Gilmore” you refer to was nothing more than a passing idiosyncratic phase.

              1. You are the commentor formerly known ad Gilmore.

                I thought Dennis was just a descriptive, not an actual handle.

                1. Dennis is an old woman, this is known.

                  1. He’s 37, that’s not old.

        2. If someone comes to a different conclusion than you, it’s a good sign that they’re virtue signalling.

      5. I’m with you sloop. I live right down the road from Baton Rouge and watching the local coverage now. The local reporters have been talking more about Alton Sterling and police injustice than this. Murdering three police officers in cold blood is not justified and is not blowback. These people who were killed did not deserve this. The social signalers and glib libertarians can fap about blowback all they want but I refuse to give them an audience. The war on drugs is terrible and should end. But it does not justify this.

        Adios.

  15. So we they escalate or listen to the reasons people are shooting cops.
    I fear this will go the same way we deal with terrorists. Ignore the reasons they give, make up ones that cause an easy patriotic response.

    1. The reasons they give are that cops are murdering black people and creating genocide. BLM is not some principled law enforcement reform movement and this who would like to push it as one are not doing any favors to reform goals.

  16. It cops acted like frightened bullies before when they had no reason, can you imagine how they’ll begin acting now were this to continue? Things are going to get so so horrible.

  17. National Police Force in 3… 2…

    1. “You can’t professionalize unless you federalize,”

      It worked for the TSA, why not the police!

      Don’t know what exactly worked but the politicians support it

  18. Blowback. The various police unions have to get behind the notion that rogue or untrained or psycho cops have to be dismissed from the force and not protected by their fellow cops. Many of the nut punches we see here are accompanied by official cop denials, victim blaming, and sweeping egregious misconduct and excessive use of force under the rug. The self-congratulatory “they are our city’s finest” and “the cop went home safe to his family”
    cliches have to disappear before many citizens can restore their faith in justice and impartial policing.

    1. We need less preventative Nonsense. Less laws to enforce. Get the cops to solve real crime, not be a revenue source for a cities pension problems.

    2. Blowback. If I’m just an average cop who has never even considered taking a “racial” approach to my job, I just might reconsider that stance about now…

  19. Is an ambush any worse than a SWAT raid at the wrong address, or a flash-bang into a crib?

    1. I suppose that depends if you think the morality of an act is defined exclusively by its predicted consequence, or its intent

      1. I think an individual taking individual action on his own is far more moral than a government hiring thugs to do the same, and using more thugs to cover it up, to break up people protesting said thuggery, and in all other ways proving the old saw that the government hates the mafia because they hate competition.

        1. I think an individual taking individual action on his own is far more moral than a government hiring thugs to do the same

          Well, that’s a little insane and irrational, but hey, its a free country website

          1. Wut?

            If I rob you at gunpoint, that’s a simple morality no-no, and there’s isn’t a justice system in the world which would ok that.

            But if the government robs you to pay me the same amount, there isn’t a justice system in the world that would give you any justice.

            Now which one do you think is insane?

            1. which one do you think is insane?

              the one saying that the individual is “more moral” for committing the same immoral act?

    2. Ummm, here was no ambush. The cops were called because gunplay had begun. That was in the very first report from Baton Rouge. Next hysteria?

      1. MH, exactly how many times do you plan on repeating this little factoid? FOAD Already!

        Your Hihn-Sight is so 20/20.

  20. Just wrong. The 2nd amendment is here for White pedophiles in Waco, not oppressed Black people in inner cities. Why these Black folks bit chin’ anyway?

    1. You really should see a doctor about those concussion symptoms.

      1. I’m a libertarian and all so i really don’t care for cops, but I’ve never made the argument that unfettered access to firearms in order to shoot said police officers in the coming revolution was a good idea. You?

        1. I’m a libertarian

          LOL

        2. Yeah, and I am a flying reindeer.

    2. 2/10. Obvious troll is obvious.

    3. Oh really???

      Oh really???

        1. I’m an amateur historian and I can’t think of an example– outside of John Brown’s raids and some labor organizing– where an individual’s possession of firearms in order to confront the military or the police has advanced the cause of liberty. Women’s suffrage, the Civil Rights movement, marriage equality for homosexuals were all achieved by peaceful protest, getting people to vote, passive resistance, etc. I’m against all laws related to the drug war, but I’m not about to shoot it out with the DEA to make my point. Maintaining an armed populace so that populace can engage in a guerrilla war with the government is just about the most idiotic idea I’ve ever come across.

          1. I’m an amateur historian and I can’t think of an example– outside of John Brown’s raids and some labor organizing– where an individual’s possession of firearms in order to confront the military or the police has advanced the cause of liberty. Women’s suffrage, the Civil Rights movement, marriage equality for homosexuals were all achieved by peaceful protest, getting people to vote, passive resistance, etc. I’m against all laws related to the drug war, but I’m not about to shoot it out with the DEA to make my point. Maintaining an armed populace so that populace can engage in a guerrilla war with the government is just about the most idiotic idea I’ve ever come across.

            ftfy

          2. Maintaining an armed populace so that populace can engage in a guerrilla war with the government is just about the most idiotic idea I’ve ever come across.

            It is far more idiotic to say the populace should be disarmed, in order that the government can avoid such a war altogether and just get what it wants without resistance. Or to pretend that our own government, right or wrong, is eternal, and will never be supplanted or challenged by a worse one.

            It is also more idiotic to fail to recognize the deterrent effect of widespread firearm ownership. They’re not going to send in the tanks and the planes. The Gestapo and the Stasi had no heavy equipment. They wage war against the populace in the shadows and with fear. Let them be afraid, instead, and not us.

          3. I guess you would have been a Loyalist during the Revolutionary War.

            Some amateur historian …. Not

          4. Remember guys, just this week Amsoc was praising the NKVD/KGB for their brutality. His only problem with the jackboots of the police is that they don’t have a hammer and sickle on them.

            1. It was more than praising the Soviet Union for their brutality. He was expressing his desire to engage in genocide against Muslims. And as I predicted, he returns on another thread and adopts a posture of moral self-righteousness.

    4. And speaking of looter commie anarchist infiltrators sent here to tell us Only Jackbooted Minions of the Looter Staat should have guns and trucks, cars, fertilizer, gasoline or food…
      Hang on Sloopy, Sloopy hang on!

  21. Well, congratulations America, police reform is doomed for at least another five years, maybe ten. There was a lot of hope in 2011-2012 that things were finally going to start turning around. But once police misconduct was subsumed into the culture war partisanship it rotted all away. Tribalism feeds on division, and there’s always hucksters willing to cash in on it. Now we’ve got BLM chanting cop murder songs and law-and-order types defending Kent State. Jesus.

    That’s the biggest danger of the culture war. It actively stagnates civil society and makes legitimate reforms extremely difficult.

    1. The cynical side of me thinks BLM was intended to kill police reform and perpetuate the war on … paradigm.

      1. You give them too much credit. BLM is just another page in the “It’s because I’m black” pity-fest that is so ingrained into American black culture. Nothing more.

        1. You privileged bastard, you…

    2. What reform? The problems are a toxic combination of immunity from the law, public sector unions, an obsession with officer safety at the expense of public safety, and zero tolerance for noncompliance. None of that was ever mentioned in any talk of police reform that I ever heard. At least outside libertarian circles.

      So you’re lamenting the loss of something that was never going to happen. Government is a one-way ratchet. Reform would be a relaxation of power. The odds of that happening are about as good as the odds of my having a three-way with Kate Beckinsale and Emma Watson.

      1. ^This. The one aspect of police reform, rewriting the union rules which confer immunity, is noticeably absent from every proposal I have thus far seen. It’s the elephant in the room that no one, outside this blog, is willing to even discuss, much less propose.

        1. Probably because battling Public Sector unions is very difficult? If people have trouble dealing with Teacher’s Unions how will they handle Cop Unions?

          1. The only thing that could stop them would be a federal law, or even a constitutional amendment, forbidding government employees from organizing into unions.

            Heck, even FDR saw the danger of public sector unions.

            However I doubt that will ever happen.

            1. That may be the only thing that can stop them altogether country-wide but lots of reforms can be made at the local and state level without requiring the Feds to be involved. Especially since the Feds’ primary tool, thanks to the courts’ tortured interpretation of our Constitution, is the carrot. The voters wield the stick.

              The problem is, and events like this are hardly likely to change this, the voters by and large want the police to be well staffed, well compensated, well equipped, and well treated. They are, after all, the enforcers of the voters’ will. A group of people who wants the drug war prosecuted vigorously is not likely to give a skeptical eye to those who prosecute it.

            2. I only have a vague recollection of it but I think even the socialists in America were against public sector unions when it was being debated. Of course, like all government action, the worst course was chosen.

              1. even the socialists in America were against public sector unions

                Yes, but for different reasons. Both of us see them as conspiracies against the people. We just differ on the ends of that conspiracy. The socialists view them as entrenching the bourgeois, capitalist order. We see them as entrenching the government’s power. In a way, I think we’re both right. The unions fought communism in this country, and with the same fervor they fight any attempt to reduce the size and scope of government.

        2. I seem to recall it was part of the BLM movements platform

      2. There was potential for reform. One of the primary problems with actually getting people to talk about it was that they’d handwave the fact that they’re ‘good citizens’ and so obviously nothing would ever happen to them. But that was starting to shift as police misconduct and abuse was being exposed, and the people on the receiving end were not revealed to be the villains for Dirty Harry movies that people expect. Cases like Garner or Rice were actually getting the layman’s attention. The issue is that once that attention was gained it was completely squandered on the culture war.

        Yes, they’ve failed to identify the actual power structures and police culture that needs to be dismantled. But there was an actual recognition that something needed to be done, and that was the first step outside of libertarian circles. Now everyone’s just going to close themselves off into the respective camps of ‘Fuck the po-lice’ and ‘the officer went home, that’s all that matters’. I do think police reform is actually something you could pull progressives (manipulate their social signalling in regards to the poor and/or race) and conservatives (argue for traditional police powers as per common law) together if handled properly.

        1. Repealing LEOBoR laws should be a no-brainer. I don’t even begin to understand how people can support them. There is one BoR and it applies to all of us, equally.

        2. I’m not so sure. Thing is, people in government view any admission of wrongdoing as a threat to public trust. If they admit that maybe there is something wrong with police culture, then that means government did something wrong. That would, in their view, undermine the public trust. The idea that reform might actually increase public trust by showing the people that government can change course when something is wrong simply does not compute in the minds of those with the power to change things. Just look at how far they will go to blame everything but the police for the actions of the police. It’s the fault of people recording the police, of the media for reporting police brutality, of people with guns, of drugs, of everything except police culture. No reform will happen. Not in the current political environment.

          1. In a sense, they’re right, but they’re also myopic. Admitting wrongdoing, or at least admitting that reforms are needed, erodes public trust in the short term, it is true. But covering up wrongdoing and resisting necessary reforms erodes the public trust in the long term. The former is easily recoverable, the latter much less so.

            It’s a classic example of seen vs. unseen.

      3. Unless whacked upside the head with a two by four stack of spoiler votes. I vote libertarian, claim credit for being part of the solution, couldn’t care less who the looters put on teevee but I do read their platforms. Those killers in blue are enforcing the Dem and GO-Pee platforms, literally and to the hilt. German altruist voters got what they deserved in 1933, and the Berlin wall was there as a reminder 56 years later. Only now is there finally a Partei Der Vernunft (Party of Reason) in Germany. We should set a better example.

      4. BLM has a police-reform platform, and it’s got a lot of good stuff on it. It’s been overshadowed by some of their other… activities, though.

  22. Good afternoon mammals! It seems I have consumed too much of your native liquid intoxicants last night. I am a bit reluctant to crawl off my branch today

    1. We’ll enjoy watching you fall off.

      1. You will be happy to know that I managed not to fall off. I also just partook in the most thorough of hangover cures: I went for a run in this FloridaMan July afternoon

  23. Is it a war on cops yet?

    1. There will be a war on citizens soon enough. Well, there already was, but now it will be official. Thanks, BLM, for giving us that police state you always wanted.

      1. If BLM are not Obumbles ghetto brownshirts, as I have heard them described more than once, they have accomplished what they would have sought if they were.

        1. If BLM are not Obumbles ghetto brownshirts, as I have heard them described more than once

          How many times must you hear bullshit to be convinced? Only two?

          We have two groups of puppets, both eager to be manipulated, each driven by opposing bigotry. One screeches hysterically about a war on cops. The other shows each hysteria to a war on blacks. Kinda like the war on Christianity. Not a shred of evidence. All of them True Believers in “the cause.”

          Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers.”
          -Eric Hoffer, “The True Believers” (1951)

          Throughout human history, the worst moral atrocities have been committed by those brainwashed into defending some “greater good” — the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party or a God. Zealots and fanatics. The militant self-righteous.

  24. The survivors can at least take comfort in knowing their deceased loved ones gave their lives to elect President Trump.

  25. Maybe Obama declares martial law now and suspends elections. Thanks Obama, for saving us from Hillary, again.

  26. I’m sure that Obama will come out and condemn the climate of hate created by BLM that caused this senseless violence, any minute now. In fact, I’ll hold my breath until he does.

    1. You mean this racial tension that Obama has instigated? Yep, he’s going to make a speech right now apologizing for his 8 years of divisiveness for those right wing extremists in the NRA who are causing this.

      1. He’s giving pointers to his speechwriters for the upcoming eulogy.

    2. I’m sure that Obama will come out and condemn the climate of hate created by BLM that caused this senseless violence,

      How can you suffer severe denial, like a Birther, regarding.
      1) Alton Sterling being pinned on his back by TWO police … and shot FOUR times … at VERY close range (4″ tops) … one of three in only two weeks.
      2) City of Cleveland paying $6 million to settle a lawsuit by the family of Tamir Rice
      3) Before the assault on Dallas police, hundreds of BLMers peaceful protesting, photos and videos showing them chatting amiably with police … an apparent sense of each merely doing their own job, on their own, isolated from the bigots on both sides who exploit death and suffering for partisan gain..
      4) How many times do we see a killing excused because the police “believed” the victim (98% black) had a gun. Even if there was no gun. If the cop had a “sincere belief” there was a gun, that justifies the shooting, But you’re not a puppet, right? Call it manslaughter not murder, but excusingi it is deplorable. And racist.

      Is it a coincidence that the gestapo mentality always dominates both the far left and the far right …both justified by manufactured hysteria regarding their equivalent extremes in the opposing tribe? For most of human history?

      I hope that didn’t damage your passive acceptance of false narratives.

  27. A short while back, in Concord, NH, in spite of a thoughtful anti-Bear Cat argument by the Free State folks, the City Council approved the acquisition. (BTW, Concord is quintessential New England yawn country, shuts down by 8:30p.m. because it’s time for jammies and reading by the fire. The town can fit into most city-sized neighborhoods.)
    I must have missed the fact that my coffee house booth was overrun by drug warlords and gangs; and since it’s the state capitol, the law-and-order gang wants to be as civilized and modern as the rest of the megalopolis centers. So they got their big-ass Batmobile. Well, that certainly won’t be enough. Come budget time, I can already hear it. “See? I told you! We’re gonna need more Bear Cats. Just look at what the hell’s happening all around us!”
    So ante up, taxpayer and f—k this ‘Live Free or Die’ shit. Otherwise we’re taking your house.

    1. “big-ass Batmobile”

      Great funk band song title

    2. Listen, bub, without those Bear Cats, the meth-addicted Golden Horde will stream up from Manchester and Nashua and cannibal rape gangs will rove up and down Main Street.

        1. Couldn’t even crack the Canadian Affirmative-Action Top 40 in his career.

          1. I know, if it ain’t top 40 it’s shite.

  28. Radical Obamists. Period.

    1. Shoot all the fucking niggers. The truth will not be tolerated in Oceania Big Brother promised!
      /sarc

  29. THIS guy is Obama’s BFF and one of his most frequent visitors to the whitehouse.
    Remember When Al Sharpton Said to Kill Police Officers?
    (Google it!)

    1. Of course.
      Some folks think the Reason editors have no balls? You can be sure the MSM won’t dare fry his race-baiting ass by recalling his 1990s speeches. Talk about cowards. Can one, just one for cripe’s sake, push him on this? No, not patty-cake. I mean, really push him. Repeat it. Over and over and confront him, and don’t let it go. Want to grow a pair, Anderson? Push the bastard on this, as hard as you pushed Trump on his sandbox tantrum with Cruz. (By the way, you didn’t push the clown nearly hard enough!)
      Not a tough guy among them.

  30. This is playing out exactly how the ruling class wants it to play out. There was a legitimate movement to condemn police brutality and rein in out of control police tactics and get some much needed justice reform. So the race baiters and their media accomplices jumped right in and made it all about race, guaranteeing that nothing will ever be done about it. Now , BLM are being played like a fiddle by the same people, guaranteeing that there will be no reform here and instead, just the opposite, a more militarized and unaccountable police force. Look for the push to get guns out of the hands of citizens and to ban police cameras and the recording of police by citizens.

    This was so fucking predictable, it’s sickening.

    1. I expect the media and the Obama administration to come out and acknowledge they were the racists and they were the ones who fomented our current racial divide.

      I also expect some of the stocks I buy to go up but they never do.

  31. Watching Prog central, aka MSNBC, they’re strectching, stretching stretching to blame these deaths on open carry in LA. Cause them rifles just up and kill people at random if there not locked up 24-7.

    1. Meanwhille at Fox, breaking news reports that it was all a plot by BLM.

      1. Yes, officers being targeted just beggars belief, doesn’t it? When has that ever happened last week?

        1. (hahaha) here was gunplay. BEFORE the cops were called. It’s WHY they were there, That was in the very first news report from Baton Rouge, No ambush. Make an ass of yourself much?

          Oh, Dallas? You mean the terrorist who appeared at the peaceful BLM protest, with hundreds of protestors and dozens of cops, seem chatting and smiling together ,,, each doing their own job, The truth always fucks up a hysteria narrative.

          1. You compared MSNBC twirling, twirling, twirling away from freedom in yet another despicable (and entirely predictable) gun control gambit, with Fox (allegedly) blaming the attack on “a BLM plot.”

            Aside from the fact that nobody says BLM is directly and deliberately responsible for the violence it inspires, you hysteric dunce, one of these things is a more realistic response than the other. It’s not unreasonable to suspect that a similar incident a week after an assassination might have a similar provenance.

            You’re the ass, Mike.

          2. Of course it could of been an ambush (fire shots to draw police into a situation where they could be killed). But why complain about jumping the gun by jumping the gun yourself?

            1. And he may be right, but for some reason feels the need to throw a tantrum about it. Let’s not only get our facts straight but let’s go one further and claim the null hypothesis from the get-go just in case our first inclinations were wrong. Sorry, Mikey, if I’m not as super excited about this situation as you are. You aspy nerd.

              1. …. feels the need to throw a tantrum about it. … Sorry, Mikey, …. You aspy nerd.

                Like your wild hysteria here:

                Yes, officers being targeted just beggars belief, doesn’t it? When has that ever happened last week?

                Made an ass of yourself three times.
                With the mouth of a 12-year-old bully,

            2. Yes, officers being targeted just beggars belief, doesn’t it? When has that ever happened last week?

              nobody says BLM is directly and deliberately responsible for the violence it inspires,

              It’s not unreasonable to suspect that a similar incident a week after an assassination might have a similar provenance.

              To a conspiracy goober who reverses himself twice (3 versions).

              you hysteric dunce,

              Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was deep enough. I was ridiculing VG Zaytsev. Plus (laughing) How’d you miss my later response that the gunfire was BEFORE the cops arrived??>

              Rudy Giuliani on Fox News said BLM was “painting a target on police backs.” One of many.
              Any more questions?

              You’re the ass, Mike
              you hysteric dunce,
              .

              Yoi made an ass of yourself again. Deal with your rage.

            3. Not an Economist|
              Of course it could of been an ambush (fire shots to draw police into a situation where they could be killed).

              I’m sure you have an equally LAME excuse for TWO cops pinning Alton Sterling on his back … and shooting him FOUR times …. at VERY close range.

                1. I cannot imagine what the hell confuses you.
                  Even you.

                    1. (yawn) More aggression by my trash mouth stalker, Swiss Servator,

      2. At this point, if I had to pick one conspiracy theory that might have a grain of truth, I might go with the BLM plot. ‘Cause it ain’t open carry.

        1. What about Alton Sterling … pinned on his back by TWO police officers … shot FOUR TIMES … at VERY close range (4″ tops) And that was only one of three in two weeks.

          1. Alton Sterling was a gang-banger, sex offender, and deadbeat dad with a lengthy rap sheet, including a previous incident of fighting with police while in possession of a gun (illegally). Well, the violent moron did it again, but didn’t survive that time.

            1. Yeah, not a good guy. But when did the police become judge, jury, and executioner? The video I saw does not justify the police actions.

              1. To me it looked like another edge case. He was fighting, he did have a gun, and maybe the cop wasn’t lying when he said Sterling was going for it. And one can argue whether the last few shots were necessary or not. What it doesn’t look like is “racist police hunting down and killing another innocent unarmed black man for no reason,” which seems to be the BLM/SJW position.

                1. He was fighting,

                  He was pinned on his back by TWO cops … shot FOUR times … at VERY close range.

                  Pay attention How can a guy be a threat when two cops have him pinned to ground … even if your other bullshit was true?

                  he did have a gun,

                  Shame on you.

                  and maybe the cop wasn’t lying when he said Sterling was going for it.

                  (OMG) You never saw any of the videos? .
                  Two cops had him pinned on his back.
                  The overhead video showed NO GUN.
                  It did show the second cop pulling a dark object out of Sterling’s pocket. Not clear enough to see if it was a gun. But …. tell us … what else would the cop take from the dead man’s pocket. A TV remote?

                  And one can argue whether the last few shots were necessary or not.

                  You excuse the first shot?

                  What it doesn’t look like is “racist police hunting down and killing another innocent unarmed black man for no reason,” which seems to be the BLM/SJW position.

                  … and everyone else on the planet who’s not inventing excuses tor a video that humiliates their false narrative … LYING about videos seen by tens of millions of Americans.

                  Are you still screeching for Obama’s birth certificate?

            2. Behold the raging hatred of a bigot suffering severe denial
              Ignore the video proof he bellows. It was a goddamn n*gger, personally recruited by our Kenyan-born, Muslim President.

  32. I get that land management is an important issue, but these race agitators have a lot to answer for.

  33. Ah so there is a chance of real social disorder and along racial lines too. Good thing the politicians won’t exploit this for their own gain, right? It’s not like Obama and Hillary aren’t using these to call for more gun control…

  34. Aw, geez, the goobers will ignore there was already some sort of gun fight. This HAD to be a premeditated plot by those BLM terrorists. And don’t forget the “rage on police” violence planned for 37 American cities, And all the white bodies found in freezers with BLM tags,

    Behind it all, AGAIN, our Muslim President, financed by George Soros, the Illumnati, the New World Order and the Bilderberg Group. All while Obama’s the military invasion of Texas is getting closer to launch.

    1. You forgot lizard people.

      1. The lizard people are busy with another conspiracy,

        1. Um No…read above you fools. I’m not feelin too conspiracy’y today

          1. But you spoke only for yourself,

    2. Behind it all, AGAIN, our Muslim President, financed by George Soros, the Illumnati, the New World Order and the Bilderberg Group. All while Obama’s the military invasion of Texas is getting closer to launch.

      Tell me, what brand of foil do you use for your hats? I want to buy some stock in the company.

      1. bully!

        (giggles into juice box)

      2. Hmm, the name is sarcasmic, but he doesn’t know what BLATANT sarcasm is.

        1. The name is Michael Hihn, but it doesn’t recognize doubling down on sarcasm.

          And you wonder why you have no friends.

          1. (laughing) You also fucked up my second sarcasm

    3. Lost your hinge pins, huh?

      1. I did predict that goobers would not know why he cops were there. Still early. How many more?

        1. I keep trying to come up with so method of getting a bunch of cops to gather together in one place but all I can come up with is free doughnuts.

          I wonder if popping off a few rounds in public might work ?

          1. I’m sure you also suffer denial on those TWO cops who pinned Alton Sterling on his back … shot him FOUR times … at VERY close range.

            “Now, Mike, you can’t be CERTAIN that Sterling wasn’t inching along on his back, getting under the officer, so he could stab the guy in the prick,”

            “Damn! I never thought of that. Thanks! But … what if we had Sterling’s birth certificate? Long form original, of course.”

        2. Is anyone actually confused about why they were called? What is wrong with you?

          1. Some people get their buttons pressed in weird ways. I wouldn’t invite Hihn to the gun range, that’s for sure.

            1. I wouldn’t invite Hihn anywhere at all.

          2. Is anyone actually confused about why they were called?

            The few who acknowledge the call.

            What is wrong with you?I see the large percentage of commenters here who know nothing of the call and see a BLM plot. If not a majority then darn close.. ,,,people who are apparently invisible to you.

          3. Is anyone actually confused about why they were called?

            The few who acknowledge the call.

            What is wrong with you?I see the large percentage of commenters here who know nothing of the call and see a BLM plot. If not a majority then darn close.. ,,,people who are apparently invisible to you.

    1. Why would you lie so blatantly about the NRO link?
      The headline alone instantly demolishes your claim.

  35. It’s a war of police against themselves. How much you wanna bet these guys have connections to law enforcement?

    1. Weigel, you are one sad motherfucker.

  36. Two things about the US political situation bring to mind Weimar Germany. The increasing use of executive orders to bypass Congress reminds me of how from 1930 Hindenburg was ignoring the Reichstag by Presidential decree. However by 1932 the Nazis and Communists had a majority of seats (and votes). And in 1932 Presidential Election there was a choice between Hindenburg and Hitler in the runoff. In the first round the third place candidate was the Communist and the fourth place was the anti-Semitic (though part-Jewish!) authoritarian Nationalist.

    And Altona Bloody Sunday. A confrontation between SA, Commies and cops saw 18 people die. Papen used it as an excuse to toss out the Prussian State government by Presidential decree. This put Germany’s largest police force under Federal Government control. Oh and when Hitler became chancellor it was because Papen hoped to render Hitler a powerless figurehead (it also seemed the only alternative to Hitler was a military dictatorship). This Prussian coup backfired since when Hitler came to power Hermann Goering was given control of the police and he made sure they did the Nazis bidding which rendered the Nazi’s “allies” unable to prevent the Reichstag Fire Decree or the Enabling Act which gave Hitler dictatorial power.

    1. About the only thing that can be learned from history is that nothing is learned from history.

  37. So is Shinzo Abe blowback from WWII and the Civil War?

    1. No. Blowback from China trying its hand at imperialism in the South China Sea.

  38. Welcome to Obama’s permanent legacy: a two front war against law, order, civilization, and basic decency, with his ghetto brownshirts now on the rampage on one end and the radical Muslim terrorists on the rampage on the other end, with the poor normals caught in the middle of the vise.

    1. But don’t you know, if we could just get rid of white people, the world would return to the peaceful utopia it had always been before the white devils appeared.

    2. At one time your comment could have been dismissed as tinfoil hat conspiracy nuttery.

      And yet here we see this scenario playing out before our very eyes.

      1. And I’m sorry to say that absolutely none of this stuff that’s now happening now surprises me one bit. I’ve been expecting it for years, and the writing has clearly been on the wall for a while now.

        I was one of the few people who truly vetted and investigated the background and history of this son of s bitch back in ’08, so I had him pegged for what he is almost from day one.

  39. Terrible news about these folks that were killed.

    The very issue is the state’s standing army that is shielded from consequenses through qualified immunity. I also fault the protesters who talk of “reform” and “change”, while never mentioning replacing the current system with the private production of security. This way if a security person violates someone’s liberty, the people can actually choose to fund a competing security agency, rather than be forced to pay the salary of someone that harmed them or their family member. Such a person would be a liability to a company, and I don’t think they would keep them employed at a desk job because of consumer backlash.

  40. Please, someone get Hihn his meds.

    1. ANOTHER one doesn’t know the police were called in because the gunplay had already begun. Sorry, no conspiracy. (lol)

      Educate yourself.

      1. I was hoping you’d respond with that. Glad we’re on the same wavelength.

      2. Repeating yourself no matter what you’re responding to doesn’t make you look any less batshit, Hihn.

        1. Careless, true to his name, has no fucking clue what I responded to

  41. David Burge ?@iowahawkblog Jul 15

    I’m struggling to imagine a person for whom Vox is a go-to world crisis news source.

    1. No need to struggle, there are people who take Salon seriously.

      1. for context – i think he said this as a joke when Vox said, “HERE’S WHAT WE STILL DONT KNOW ABOUT TURKEY COUP”…. as though there were millions of people hanging out at Vox, considering them the #1 source of intel on International Affairs.

        i just thought it was apropos humor re: any breaking news at all.

        i’m quite sure Vox will have an ‘explainer’ about police-shootings shortly, stealing the same argument gun-rights advocates have long used = noting that police shootings are way down overall (as is the overall murder rate, and gun-violence rate… but they’ll avoid that last part)… and then quickly scoot back to the claims that police murders of unarmed blacks are actually “entirely unknown” and like campus rape – any measure is but the tip of the iceberg….

        it has been noted before how amazingly comfortable they are using certain arguments in one context, while reversing themselves entirely and denying the same logic in others.

        (e.g. “Carbon taxes will save the planet….because higher carbon prices reduce pollution – but higher minimum wages have no effect on employment demand, naturally… because reasons)

  42. Update: Baton Rouge police are now saying they do not believe the shooting is “race related,” according to CNN reports.

    So then a mix of skin colors on one or both sides? Or simply a shootout related to some other everyday, run of the mill crime?

    1. So a hot mess Sunday in the bayou?

    2. Sounds to me like one of those “not terrorism” reports we always get shortly after another Muslim massacres a bunch of people. Let’s see what the dead perp and his victims looked like.

    3. I’m watching BR local news. Suspect has been dead for a while. I imagine if he was white CNN would have blasted that out first thing.

      1. I’m going to let it roll and place my chips on “Muslim”. Why not? Luck be a lady tonight!

        1. Hopefully it’s a gay Muslim

          1. Self-loathing?

            1. Is there any other kind?

        2. I’m going to let it roll and place my chips on “Muslim”.

          I’m going with “drug related shootout”

    4. Obama:

      I condemn, in the strongest sense of the word, the attack on law enforcement in Baton Rouge. For the second time in two weeks, police officers who put their lives on the line for ours every day were doing their job when they were killed in a cowardly and reprehensible assault. These are attacks on public servants, on the rule of law, and on civilized society, and they have to stop,”

      Even Obama assumed what this was.

      He probably was getting so much static for not condemning the Dallas stuff enough that he decided to whip out the ol’ jump to conclusions mat for this one.

      1. Muh legacy! Every time he closes his eyes, he sees Pat Buchanan’s grinning visage.

    5. Only for those who thought it MUST be a BLM conspiracy … never knowing that police has been called because gunplay had already begun.

  43. Somebody out to ask Preet Bhahara whether it a coincidence that Black Lives Matter quotes Assata Shakur on its Get Involved webpage.

    1. I thought that was a Star Trek character until I looked it up.

      1. Assata Olugbala Shakur (born JoAnne Deborah Byron; July 16, 1947),[1] whose married name was Chesimard

        Clearly, she is a mega-evolution of Charizard.

        1. Rearrange the letters in her name, you get “A Rutabaga Oak Ass Hulls.”

    2. Somebody ought to ask CatoTheChipper why he’s such douche bag.

      “It is our duty to fight for our freedom, it is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.`
      http://blacklivesmatter.com/getinvolved/

      Oh wait, she was a Black Panther. So even “Good morning” is
      terrorism is SHE says it,

      Contrast that quote with CatoTheChipper, who glorifies the feeding of people into woodchippers, the only question being feet-first or head-first. Of the two, which is the terrorist today>

      1. Isn’t she the person who fled to Cuba after murdering a couple of cops?

          1. Quoting a person who murdered police might be intended to convey a message deeper than the literal words of the quote?

            1. Quoting a person who murdered police might be intended to convey a message deeper than the literal words of the quote?

              Not to a non-judgmental adult, since the words are so totally appropriate to their web site..

              `It is our duty to fight for our freedom, it is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other

              What is it that prompted your suspicion to look deeper. What has you suspecting communist cop-killers? Fighting for freedom? Loving and supporting each other? Both?

  44. Bobby jindell on Fox “these are the heroes that run towards danger” me yelling at the TV ” like they ran towards danger at Columbine? The way they ran towards danger in Miami?”
    Fuck the police. You get rid of all accountability, then act like an occupying army, and a free people are gonna rise up and shoot at you.

      1. Oh, I’m sorry. Did I upset you? Is the second amendment just for hunting? Fuck those unaccountable, jack booted, thugs.
        The founding fathers would tar and feather assholes acting like our modern police do.

        1. Sounds like I upset you buddy. But hey guy, keep spewing the police murders are like totally justified crap if that’s what floats your boat.

          1. Duke is either illiterate or a liar, possibly both.

            1. Hihn is senile or a thread corpsefucker – possibly both.

              1. Swiss Servator is still launching aggression. Might he be ignorant that an assault weapon ban was supported by Reagan, and ruled constitutional by Scalia? (gasp)

                (boldface and ridicule in response to aggession)

        2. that’s nice sentiment and all, but i don’t think “people killing cops” is necessarily a sign of “Free people rising up”

          ‘free people rising up’ would actually have implemented body-camera rules, use-of-force guidelines, created independent bodies to adjudicate misconduct etc. a long time ago. People killing cops are just killing cops because “reasons” which here remain unknown.

  45. “these are the heroes that run towards danger”

    June 12
    2:02 am

    Orlando police receive the first notification that shots have been fired at Pulse nightclub.

    2:22 am

    Officers report over radio that they have contained the shooter in the back of the club.





    5:02 am

    Orlando police make the decision to rescue Pulse patrons

      1. Ya know, you all could go out and join the police and make a difference from the inside. I know I know– it would require putting the Pokemon down and actually doing something other than being a keyboard warrior, but still…

        1. They won’t let people with high IQ’s on.
          I also doubt any of us would be hired after explaining that we believe in the 4th amendment.
          And I doubt any of us would last, we wouldn’t pull over speeders.

          1. If ifs and buts were candies and nuts…

            1. You’re saying I could tell the department that I would never search a car without a warrant, and they would hire me?

                1. Great video. I play that game, but only the air side.

                2. That’s exactly what I meant Heroic! Of course I subscribe to the infantile either/or choices we are constantly confronted with in politics and as you pose here. Either I’m ok with killing cops as expected blowback ( and thus a bonafide libertarian) or I’m a pro police brutality statist. Yep. That’s me to a T.

                  You’re a bright one and your reading comprehension skills are improving. I’ll be keeping my eye on you — great job!

                  1. It was more about your affected “tough guy” pose, but I see that went whizzing by your sloped brow.

                    1. I’ll bet money have more education than you do HM. Probably money too.

                    2. Maybe you do, maybe you don’t. What does that have to do with you playing “tough guy” on the Internet?

                    3. I wrote that maybe people who are angry at police should join them and fix them from the inside. How do you get I’m acting like a tough guy from that?

                    4. I wrote that maybe people who are angry at police should join them and fix them from the inside. How do you get I’m acting like a tough guy from that?

                      From this:

                      “I know I know– it would require putting the Pokemon down and actually doing something other than being a keyboard warrior”

                      Now are you going to make me go through the trouble of parsing out all the implicatures?

                    5. Do you bone Morgan Fairchild too Duke?

              1. Doomco — never know till you try. Cops are required to uphold the law. I’d think if anyone around here who bitches about police brutality should be willing to do us all a public service and try to fix the problem from the inside.

                The whole put up or shut up thing.

                1. If you’ve never been a chef, you have no right to complain about your food in a restaurant.

                  If you’ve never been a doctor, you have no right to seek a second opinion.

                  If you’ve never been elected to office, you have no right to advocate for lower taxes.

                  Seems legit.

                  1. Watch any episode of cops. Tell me that when I go to the interview and say, “yeah I’m not doing that”, that the department would hire me anyway and give me a badge.

                  2. HM — I see that introspective and nuanced arguments are beyond your grasp. As evidenced by your inapt example supra.

                    1. No, your premise is just invalid.

                      You don’t have to whine about it.

                    2. But hes smarter than you, hm. And has more money.

                    3. What’s more important is that his daddy can beat up all of our daddies. Combined!

                    4. Duke, how much can you bench press?

                    5. Duke, do you have to register your fists as lethal weapons when you move to a new place?

                    6. Look, Duke lacks in critical thinking skills, so don’t be such a big meanie to him. He can’t help coming off as kinda fucking dumb.

                    7. Heroic, you’re missing Duke’s entire premise.
                      Let’s say a cop is arrested and charged.
                      Goes to trial.
                      But because he’s a cop, only jurors who have been cops can find him guilty.
                      So a cop is NEVER guilty..
                      Which is Dukes entire premise. How’d you miss it?
                      /sarc

                    8. Supra? SUPRA?!?!

                      Look, boys – it’s Bo, Cara, almost Esq!

                      Welcome back, you disingenuous weasel.
                      *waves*

                  3. If you’ve never played – insert sport here – you can’t comment on it!

                2. The whole point is that we shouldn’t have to.

                3. Why does one have to join the police to ‘fix things from the inside’? Shoot, they’d probably be made public enemy #1 and never get anywhere unless committed to the job.

                  The cops represent – in theory – the people who – in theory – give them the legitimacy to use force to protect them. Instead, cops turn around, in documented cases that we now of, and use this force against innocents and then demand pension security from the very people they sometimes abuse.

                  The people then have a right to put pressure, through respected representatives, on them to reform and not have to face a big, blue wall of indignant resistance.

                  No need to join their ranks and a union.

                4. Ok, lets say i join a pd and they assign me to vice. I hate vice laws. I dont believe in ruining peoples lives over what they do with their own bodies be it drugs or prostitution. Im a harm reductionist. I go to work and make 0 arrests. How long do you think ill stay on the job?

                  1. Your first six words kill all the rest.

        2. I don’t believe policing is a function limited exclusively to armed agents of the state wearing badges. Those are cops. Every citizen has the right and duty to police his community, no badge necessary.

          Also, I am not joining a union. No way, no how.

        3. Why would I want to oppress fellow citizens and be an active force for evil? You do understand that the State actively works against the freedom and rights of the citizenry, and that, without men with guns, the State would not be able to do all the evil that it does?
          Look, any individual cop may actually be a decent person. But the job is to be an enforcer for the State. So, again, fuck the police.

        4. Ya know, you all could go out and join the police and make a difference from the inside. I know I know– it would require putting the Pokemon down and actually doing something other than being a keyboard warrior, but still…

          I wonder if this form of rhetoric, where Person B suggests that Person A, about whom they know nothing, must be part of what they are criticizing in order to be allowed to comment on, EVER works.

          Maybe if the targets are really, really unsophisticated?

          Duke : It sounds kinda like you have a boner for the police. How do you feel about Loss Prevention workers in private industry? Are they also above reproach because their voluntarily taken job involves bearing risk of violence on behalf of others? Or is it the whole doing it on behalf of the state thing that makes police so very special?

    1. Tens of millions of American saw two cops pin Alton Sterling to the ground and shoot him to death …. four times … at VERY close range (mere inches), And that’s just one of three in two weeks.

      See, we have this problem because we have two competing tribes of goobers. One blames BLM for everything. The other blames the police for everything.

      Which makes them BOTH bigots. By definition.
      (Applying negative stereotypes to an entire group, often based on the sins of a tiny minority.)

      The tribal types will assume I just waged a war on cops. That’s how they “think.”
      I simply added balance. (gasp)

  46. Hell of a way to celebrate your birthday.

  47. I bet these cop killers read Balko in the Washington Post and thought he really got the better of the argument against whatshername in City Journal and thatblackenconomist at Harvard. They probably decided futher that centralized lawmaking and policing is such an affront to their anarcho-communitarian principles that homicide is morally justified to defend their individual and community sovereignty.

    1. If only someone had taken away their subscriptions to Foreign Affairs and the Economist years ago.

  48. …but no war on cops.

  49. I only hope it was a white male libertarian. Preferably Baptist, but beggars, choosers, etc.

    1. According to a WSJ source, the deceased suspect was affiliated with an anti-government group.

      Won’t someone rid us of these troublesome libertarians and sovereign citizens?

      1. Yeah, it’s called “Black Lives Matter”, or as I like to sometimes call them, Obama’s Ghetto Brownshirts.

        1. Do you mean Block Insane Yomamma?

        2. like to sometimes call them, Obama’s Ghetto Brownshirts.

          When you aren’t calling them uppity n*ggers?

      2. Videos on Long’s account show that he was a former Nation of Islam member. He also railed against “crackers” and made references to Alton Sterling, the black man killed by police in Baton Rouge on July 5.

        Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07…..z4Ei6cguLN

        1. If true then Heroic is rolling sevens.

        2. So definitely not race related then?

          1. Oh, yuh. Long sounds like a veritable Walt Williams.

          2. Oh, yuh. Long sounds like a veritable Walt Williams.

  50. Does anyone know if there was gun play before the police arrived?

      1. Thanks. Yes. He (or she) sees all the dumbasses here too,

  51. Man oh man are police gonna spin this – and it won’t be in favor of meaningful reform.

    This is where true leaders are born.

    Good luck.

  52. Citizens do hit back. We know they tolerate things up to a point. The question is when do they stop?

    “We are on the verge of a civil war.” That quote did not come from a fanatic or a lunatic. No, it came from head of France’s homeland security, the DGSI (Direction g?n?rale de la s?curit? int?rieure), Patrick Calvar. He has, in fact, spoken of the risk of a civil war many times. On July 12th, he warned a commission of members of parliament, in charge of a survey about the terrorist attacks of 2015, about it.”

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute……-civil-war

  53. Hey, guys? I just dropped in to ask if anyone knows whether there was any gunplay before the cops showed up. I haven’t been able to find any info on that, and it seems this whole situation could be figured out if only we had that one critical bit of data.

    Anyone know about this? Thanks in advance.

  54. Info on Gavin Eugene Long, a.k.a. Cosmo Ausar Setepenra.

    His books, from his website. He was also a life coach. There are testimonials on his site….

    1. Bringing together the untold science of Melanin, ancient esoteric secrets of the Pineal Gland, and how to develop your higher-self, The Ascension Volume Two in The Cosmo Way series will help you achieve higher consciousness, inner strength, as well as your mental and spiritual goals.

      As a young man I had a spiritual revelation and traveled to Africa?my ancestral homeland. My spiritual journey took me across the continent where I was taught by native spiritual practitioners and elder holistic healers. In Africa I was spiritually directed to gather the laws of the universe. They are the principles that govern every aspect of life. The universe exists in perfect harmony by virtue of these laws. They control and dictate what science calls energy, and what religions call God. If you understand the laws that govern Y.O.U. (Your Own Universe), you can manipulate, shape, and mold them to your liking. I have compiled these 124 Universal Laws and their use in The Laws of The Cosmos.

      I’m beginning to think that this individual may have been . . . colorful.

      (puts on sunglasses)

      1. His actions do not reflect well on the science of Melanin….

        1. Huh. Looks like he was also connected with the Nation of Islam, the “Washitaw Nation,” and the Sovereign citizen movement.

          1. the Nation of Islam, the “Washitaw Nation,” and the Sovereign citizen movement.

            Crazies gonna crazy.

            I know, let’s take his grandiose delusions seriously, and discuss them in great seriousness.

            1. Oh, I’m not taking them seriously, just noting. What will be interesting is how such connections will be treated by the media. I predict the Sovereign citizen connection will be seized on by the left, and the Nation of Islam connection by the right, and the New Age connection by Christian conservatives. More secular conservatives can blame BLM, BLM can blame racism, SJWs can blame the NRA, and libertarians can blame out-of-control police.

              Everyone will have a grand old time.

              Except Hillary. She will have to mouth words about “structural racism” and the need for white people to change, because what else would cause a black member of the Nation of Islam to kill a black cop? Yeah, that and gun control and more Muslim immigration is really going to swing the election in her direction….

  55. It seems like just yesterday that putting printer’s crop marks on a map of politicians “targeted” for electoral defeat was a reckless call to violence, and an action responsible for the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords (among others). On the other hand, today I’m told that calling police murdering racists is not a call to violence in any way, shape, or form.

    Politics can be very confusing.

    1. ^Shit Crackers Say^

      1. (Not sure if sarcastic or misunderstanding my point….)

  56. If, for some reason, you feel the need to get frisky with the po-po, don’t shoot the 50 on patrol. Go down to 1PP – that’s where the orders that beat cop is following come from.

    90% of the cops walking a beatdriving that patrol car are just blue collar schlubs working for a paycheck – and, believe it or not, may actually put their lives on the line for you one day. Maybe. If left alone to do their jobs and not pulled back by higher to ‘secure the perimeter’ because ‘they’re not properly equipped’.

    1. Well, if the asshole cops are merely 10%, then there are 60,000 of them. Armed. But their victims are only black, right?.

      Maybe. If left alone to do their jobs and not pulled back by higher to ‘secure the perimeter’ because ‘they’re not properly equipped’.

      Your math sucks and your lack of justice and fairness is illustrative of the problem. The police “establishment” has clearly failed to police itself, and a growing number of Americans agree with civilian oversight … the same oversight we demand of legislators (gasp) … the same reform REALLY sought by BLM.

      That’s why 40% of Americans support BLM, versus a mere 23% who oppose. Yeah, I know, they’ve been brainwashed by the MSM into believing nonsense … like 60,000 abusive cops is is somehow bad. Anyone who chooses either tribe, the war on cops or the war on blacks, is the real threat to domestic tranquility.

      I had a neighbor, back when I lived in a far suburb of Cleveland. He’d been a cop in one of Cleveland’s most violent precincts. He quit because of all the abuse he’d seen — with the same dread that suffocates whistle blowers everywhere. Those 60,000 are concentrated in inner-city precincts, which is a LOT.

      He never told us about it, typically proud male! His wife did, over coffee with my own wife and I. She was in tears over what her guy was still suffering.

  57. police say they believe there is more than one suspect.

    Either they suspect more than one person or they don’t: why this uncertainty?

    I’ll repeat it as often as I have to:
    A suspect is the known person who is suspected of a crime.
    To use the same word for the unknown person who definitely did the crime is needlessly prejudicial to the presumption of innocence, to which I expect Reason to give some weight.

  58. police say they believe there is more than one suspect.

    Either they suspect more than one person or they don’t: why this uncertainty?

    Because they don’t know?

    I’ll repeat it as often as I have to:

    This is enough!

    A suspect is the known person who is suspected of a crime.

    Which is why they don’t know. Now you say the exact opposite.

    To use the same word for the unknown person who definitely did the crime …

    Suspects are being investigated. If that means guilty, before charges even filed, why not just shoot the bastards? Or hang them from a tree?

    is needlessly prejudicial to the presumption of innocence,

    Saying there MAY be another suspect, violates the presumption of innocence … with no evidence … of an unknown person. What’s the average jail term for “suspects” of crimes like this? How many have been paroled? Died in jail? Escaped?

    which I expect Reason to give some weight.

    Will this do if Reason stubbornly refuses accountability?

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