Nutrition

Does Classifying Food as 'Healthy' or 'Unhealthy' Miss the Point?

A handful of experts weigh in on a survey of nutritionist and consumer perceptions.

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Is orange juice healthy? Unhealthy? What about butter, steak, hamburgers, turkey, bacon, beer, wine, soda, wheat bread, white bread, peanut butter, and coconut oil?

Earlier this week, the New York Times's Upshot blog released the results of a survey of consumers and nutritionists that asked about their respective perceptions of whether dozens of foods are healthy or unhealthy. Those perceptions often differ markedly. And it's not clear whose opinions, if anyone's, is "right"—or even if there's such thing as a right answer.

"Unfortunately," Upshot writers Kevin Quealy and Margot Sanger-Katz conclude, "the answer is anything but simple."

The study's results are, in many cases, an eye opener. Ninety percent of nutritionists say cottage cheese is healthy, but only around fifty-five percent say the same of cheddar cheese. An overwhelming majority of consumers and nutritionists agreed that hamburgers aren't healthy, but that steak is.

"No food elicited a greater difference of opinion between experts and the public than granola bars," write Quealy and Sanger-Katz. "About 70 percent of Americans called it healthy, but less than 30 percent of nutritionists did."

Fascinated by the study—at a time when more and more government bodies seek to write rules based on what foods they believe are or are not objectively "healthy"—I asked a diverse handful of experts from various food-related fields to respond to four questions about the quality of the survey, any surprises they saw in the responses of those surveyed, and the overall lessons they feel the survey conveys.

The respondents are:

  • Edward Archer, Ph.D., obesity theorist and Chief Science Officer for EnduringFX
  • Dr. Joy Dubost, dietitian, Washington, D.C.
  • Michael Greger, M.D., Director, Public Health and Animal Agriculture, Humane Society of the United States
  • Julie Kelly, National Review Online contributor and food/agricultural writer, Orland Park, Ill.
  • Pete Kennedy, Esq., attorney, Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund

Mostly, as their comments below demonstrate, it appears that there's at least as wide a gulf between the experts I surveyed as there is between the consumers and nutritionists surveyed by the New York Times.

Edward Archer, Ph.D., obesity theorist and Chief Science Officer for EnduringFX

1) What is your overall opinion about the results? What, if anything, does the study get right/wrong?

The study is based on a false dichotomy and a flawed narrative. We are not what we eat. Our health is the confluence of our inherited physiologic properties (e.g., our metabolism) and our behaviors. Therefore, 'health" is a property of the person and not an inherent property of foods and beverages. 

2) On which foods (if any) do you side with consumers rather than nutritionists?

The dichotomy of "healthy" vs. "unhealthy" is unscientific. For example, how would you save a starving child? Would you feed him or her a "root-beer float" (i.e., a sugar-sweetened beverage and ice cream), or a "healthy" meal of organic carrots, quinoa, and kale? If you answered the root-beer float, you would save the child's life. If fed the "healthy" diet, the child would starve due to a lack of protein and/or energy. 

3) On which foods (if any) do you side with nutritionists rather than consumers?

As long as the foods or beverages on the study's list do not contain large amounts of pathogens and are consumed by a healthy person, everything on the list is safe to eat. But be careful not to conflate "safe to eat" with "healthy." These terms are not synonymous.

4) What broad trend(s) or idea(s), if any, do you identify in the study results?

The false dichotomy and flawed narrative upon which the study was based demonstrates the scientific illiteracy of the persistent myth "we are what we eat," and the erroneous notion that we can diet our way out of a sedentary lifestyle

Dr. Joy Dubost, dietitian, Washington, D.C.

1) What is your overall opinion about the results? What, if anything, does the study get right/wrong?

The results are interesting but what was the point of the survey and does this create more confusion on nutrition?  I tend to focus more on overall healthy diets rather than force fitting specific foods into what is essentially being classified as "good" or "bad" foods. Interesting to note at the end of the article the nutritionists note there is "no special rules or restrictions" for diets. If this is truly the case why classify the foods if all foods fit into a diet?

2) On which foods (if any) do you side with consumers rather than nutritionists?

Sushi. This is one of those cases that it is a "broad" category and can become dependent on what comes with the fish, particularly within a roll. I would suspect one can argue sashimi is healthy, but I would be hesitant to state that all sushi is healthy. Wine. The research indicates any potential benefits from moderate consumption of alcohol are directly related to the ethanol content, which includes beer, wine and spirits.

3) On which foods (if any) do you side with nutritionists rather than consumers?

Coconut oil. Emerging evidence indicates that not all saturated fat is created equal and thus has the same detrimental effects. However at this point, I would be hesitant to recommend using coconut oil versus other oils that contain higher amounts of mono and polyunsaturated oils.

4) What broad trend(s) or idea(s), if any, do you identify in the study results?

Much of this depends on the trends within restaurants and retail, as well as media headlines a particular food may receive. The more consumers are inundated with headlines and popular opinion on a specific food, the more their own opinion is shaped regardless of where the science stands. 

Michael Greger, M.D., Director, Public Health and Animal Agriculture, Humane Society of the United States

1) What is your overall opinion about the results? What, if anything, does the study get right/wrong?

Well, the premise of this comparison appears to me to have a serious flaw. The "experts" are called nutritionists, but "nutritionist" is one of the few titles which [does] not require any formal training, certification, or degree. So the difference between the public and the nutritionists, is that the nutritionists self-identify as such (not that the nutritionists actually have any more training than the public).

2) On which foods (if any) do you side with consumers rather than nutritionists?

Consumers are correct on granola. While most processed granola bars would not make the cut (based on the 5:1 carb:fiber rule) However, the largest nutrition population studies in the world associate the consumption of whole food plant-based foods (such as granola bars when made from foods like whole grains, dried fruits, nuts, and seeds) with health and longevity.

3) On which foods (if any) do you side with nutritionists rather than consumers?

Around the world, the longest lived people are those who eat beans every day-whether it's the Japanese eating soy, the Swedes eating brown beans and peas, or those in the Mediterranean eating white beans, lentils, and chickpeas. Did you know 2 tablespoons of beans a day is associated with an 8% reduction in the risk of premature death? So the research says: hummus for the win!

4) What broad trend(s) or idea(s), if any, do you identify in the study results?

Despite the fact that global fast food revenues last year were $570 billion, it does appear that everyone polled now realizes that processed foods, and foods that contain saturated fat, cholesterol, added sugar or salt cannot be called healthy. So now we just need to align what we know with what we actually consume (and what businesses we support with our consumer dollars).

Julie Kelly, National Review Online contributor and food/agricultural writer, Orland Park, Ill.

1) What is your overall opinion about the results? What, if anything, does the study get right/wrong?

It's interesting to gauge the opinion of the two different groups, but whether a food is "healthy" or not is mostly subjective. What might be healthy for a teenage athlete (protein, fat, sodium, etc.) might not be the right diet for an overweight middle-age man trying to lose weight. I've said that I think we are making a big mistake, for example in school nutrition programs, applying adult diets to children or teens. What's healthy for one age group/gender might not be for another.

2) On which foods (if any) do you side with consumers rather than nutritionists?

None. I can't believe anyone would think a Slim Fast shake is "healthy."

3) On which foods (if any) do you side with nutritionists rather than consumers?

Wine for sure, not just some physical health benefits but moms around the world depend on this elixir for mental health. Hummus is good as long as it's not too doctored up with other ingredients. Tofu should be outlawed. 

4) What broad trend(s) or idea(s), if any, do you identify in the study results?

Overall, I think people are starting to embrace fat again, not just as science disproves a correlation between animal fat and some diseases, but because its more satisfying and filling. When I taught cooking classes, most of the moms were shocked I used whole dairy products and butter. Food tastes better, you are less hungry during the day and there may be some health benefits as well.

Pete Kennedy, Esq., attorney, Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund

1) What is your overall opinion about the results? What, if anything, does the study get right/wrong?

The results are not something that anyone should adopt as their own personal dietary guideline.  The study underestimates the nutritional value of red meat; also it does not distinguish between raw and pasteurized dairy–they are different food categories. Tofu is NOT a health food.  I agree with eggs being rated nutritious by both groups.

2) On which foods (if any) do you side with consumers rather than nutritionists?

I side with consumers on the nutritional value of coconut oil and on the lack of nutritional value of tofu.

3) On which foods (if any) do you side with nutritionists rather than consumers?

I side with the nutritionists on the nutritional value of shrimp and I agree on the lack of nutritional value of the SlimFast shake and American cheese.

4) What broad trend(s) or idea(s), if any, do you identify in the study results?

I notice there's still an unfounded fear of higher cholesterol foods such as meat and dairy.  The overall belief that carbohydrates are healthier than fats remains.  Unfortunately, it seems that the dietary pyramid that the pharmaceutical companies have funded over the years still has too much influence.

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323 responses to “Does Classifying Food as 'Healthy' or 'Unhealthy' Miss the Point?

  1. I know that the idea of human diversity is cray-cray and that rules are universal. Right?

    I know that nutritional science is based on rigorously controlled long-range wide population studies, right?

    I know that the best perspectives on nutrition come from lawyers, government, and activist organizations, right?

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  2. Don’t like the nutritional advice you’re getting? Wait five years.

    My Guess? Avoid extreme diets. Vegetarianism is probably not too bad. Vegans are flat out insane. Any “Miracle Food” is hype. If there actually is a “Fat Burning” foodstuff it’s probably outright toxic. As a rule of thumb; anything you read in the Sunday “Living” section of the paper can be ignored. Anytime you hear about a regional diet (“Mediterranean” for example) take a careful look at how the people in that region actually eat. If it doesn’t match closely, ignore it. Then decide if you LIKE the cuisine. In fact, that can be an overall rule; no matter how ‘recommended’ a foodstuff, diet, or cuisine may be it isn’t going to do you any good if you won’t eat it because you don’t like it.

    And brace yourself; no matter how carefully you watch your diet, or how healthy you are as a result, a certain sort of person is going to take great delight in assuring you that you are doing it all wrong and are digging your grave with your fork. Ignore such people. Yes, dispatching them with a machete SHOULD be legal, or even reward, but society is backwards about such things.

    1. All foods are toxic. Toxicity is determined by dose, and absolutely nothing else.
      You can die from drinking too much water.
      You can die from eating too much fat.
      You can die by cutting either substance entirely out of your diet.

      The whole nutrition/natural foods game amounts to “hell no, we don’t want none of your damn chemicals around here.” When there’s nothing ever ‘around here’ *but* chemicals.

      1. This. Once again for the idiot masses, the smart people attempt to reduce an analog answer to a binary question.

    2. I still remember the shitty food pyramid thing when I was a kid.

      1. Slim Goodbody’s betrayal made me into the bitter clinger I am today. Thank you, Slim.

  3. Government-provided nutrition advice: Unhealthy.

  4. Tofu is a commie plot,stouts and porters are the food of the gods.

    1. Not mutually exclusive.

    2. This is a platform I can rally behind.

  5. Is orange juice healthy? What about butter, steak, hamburgers, turkey, bacon, beer, wine, soda, wheat bread, white bread, peanut butter, and coconut oil?

    Would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, wouldn’t, would, and wouldn’t.

    1. Why not coconut oil? Just curious.

      1. Coconuts are the devils hairy nuts?

        1. Fresh coconut water is fantastic. I drink the hell out of it when I’m in Brazil.

            1. What? You’ve never had it, right?

              1. It’s a little like drinking a fourth cup of tea using tepid water and the same teabag.

                1. I think it tastes like ejaculate, so there’s that.

                2. That’s because you’re drinking shitty old coconut water. You have to get the fresh that just fell off the tree, it’s fantastic.

      2. I reflexively said no to the word coconut; I’m sure I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Really, I was just stealing one of Crusty Juggler’s lines.

        1. Go to the store and buy some coconut oil right this minute, young man!

          1. “Coconut water”, though… eugh.

    2. Fresh OJ might be healthy. The concentrate stuff is highly acidic and probably not good. I can’t even drink it, gives me heartburn.

      1. My Father drank a water tumbler of orange juice every day I knew him. During his service in WWI he got shipped to Oak Ridge Tennessee, where the fresh vegetables were strange to him, and came down with scurvy. He always said that there’s nothing like hearing a medical corpsman yelling “Hey, Charlie, come here, y’gotta see this!”

      2. If your concentrated OJ is too acidic then you’re not adding enough water. After all OJ concentrate is just “real” OJ with some of the water removed.

        1. A lot of concentrate is made from not-quite-ripe fruit, so it often has a more acid taste, at least to me.

          1. My comment was not intended to imply that the taste of reconstituted OJ concentrate was the same as that of fresh OJ.

            While the orange tree in my backyard was alive and in fruit I used to got out every morning and pick fresh oranges for the day and squeeze them then and there. The flavor (IMO) was better than commercial OJ whether from concentrate or not. It’s all in the freshness.

            I’m pretty sure that my freshly squeezed product left for a week in my fridge would would not have tasted better than OJ from concentrate newly made.

            Most complaints of flavor and nutrient degradation* have far more to do with freshness than with whether they are “organic” or “non-GMO”.

            *It’s quite true that flavors and nutrients degrade over time with storage (vitamins lose potency etc) but the fact is that most of the foods we process in those ways are already so flavor and nutrient rich that being able to have then “out-of-season” makes the loss worth it for most people.

  6. Everything is healthy in moderation. Except for dark chocolate. Consuming any amount of dark chocolate shows poor mental health.

    1. Racist chocolate.

    2. White chocolate privilege.

    3. There’s another kind of chocolate?

      1. Shhhh….don’t tell them all chocolate is dark chocolate. White chocolate isn’t chocolate at all and milk chocolate is just dark chocolate cut with milk and hot chocolate is just a chocolate-flavored drink. Chocolate Thunder, Chocolate Nixon, and Chocolate Jones is something else all together.

        1. One drop of chocolate rule?

        2. Bull ca-ca! That’s like saying an ale is just a lager brewed warm. We employ synecdoche for both as we realize that both sets have an emergent properties that cannot further reduced semantically.

          1. Depends on the ale and lager.Bud,bad,Sam Adams ,hops and goodness,Little Kings,nasty hang over,Newcastle Brown ale,wonderful.I get your point though.

          2. How much DNA can I remove before you’re no longer Heroic?

              1. Sometimes I think you don’t take me seriously.

                *Quietly rubs one out just for the hell of it*

              2. Gross

            1. BTW. Jesus. I’d go through a buck and a quarter at this pacman machine.

                1. I’d say that machine was underage.

          3. Bollocks to that, words have meanings and chocolate is a useless word if we don’t apply it scrupulously and rigorously.

            (I recently used the term “not in his bailiwick” with a lawyer friend who proceeded to lambaste me for not knowing what it is. I didn’t know what else to say, so I called her a dirty word-humping prescriptivist.)

            1. Absolutely.

              Chocolate: Foodstuffs prepared from cocoa solids and cocoa butter. I don’t see how milk, sweet, white, etc. are excluded from that.

              1. They just aren’t as good.

        3. One drop of chocolate rule?

        4. White chocolate isn’t chocolate at all . . .

          So all those people who ask, ” When are you making another cake with the white chocolate icing? ” are fooling themselves? Yet they keep asking.

    4. We really need to do something about Fist.

      He’s embarrassing us now.

      1. Dark chocolate is bitter and it’s like dirt. I won’t stand by and allow people to eat dirt.

        1. Fist, milk chocolate is the wine cooler of the chocolate world. I like chocolate like I like my women, dark, bitter and expensive!

          1. So does Crusty. Stored in a cool, dark place until he gets a craving.

        2. It’s great in mole sauce.

          1. Eewww. Moles are nasty. I prefer chocolate covered hamsters.

              1. I am not into anuses.

      2. I think we all just need to step up our gam… *looks around at other posters*

        Oh. Never mind.

        1. I HOPE THIS IS THE LAST POST ON REASON EVER SO IT’S ALWAYS ON TOP WHERE ALL POSTERITY SEES WHO WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY ON THIS AND WHO WAS IN THE WRONG.

          1. Well then PAY FOR A PREMIUM COMMENT.

  7. Wine for sure, not just some physical health benefits but moms around the world depend on this elixir for mental health.

    Behold the wisdom of a happily married man.

    1. ‘I love to cook with wine,and sometimes I put it in the food’-Julia Child

      1. Julia Child. Would. Eat. Her. Food.

        1. I would have thrown her a charity bang. She deserves it.

          1. I’m sure she’d bring a French purse.

    2. ‘The only time to eat diet food is when your waiting for the steak to cook’-Julia Child

  8. For example, how would you save a starving child?

    ….

    Leave that hanging meatball to the Saturday morning crowd.

    1. The progs would eliminate fossil fuels,GMO crops and Roundup.

    2. If they’re really starving, they’re not going to complain no matter what you feed ’em.

  9. Everyone polled or quoted in this story is absolutely crazy. There is nothing magical about “whole wheat bread”.

    1. It’s all about relatives. Whole wheat bread is extraordinarily healthy relative to a burning pile of tires.

  10. Does Classifying Food as ‘Healthy’ or ‘Unhealthy’ Miss the Point?

    Let me answer that question by posing another:

    Does Classifying Food as ‘Sensuous’ or ‘Sensual’ Miss the Point?

    1. Depends. You want a yeast infection or not?

      1. How else am I gonna get my B12 vitamin?

    2. +1 Otter

  11. OT:
    ?@HillaryClinton
    White Americans need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers you face every day.

    Hillary is “extremely careless” with her *tweets*, too.

    1. She ain’t in no ways tired of pandering and playing on white guilt.

      1. She ain’t in no ways tired of talkin’ nonsense and making’ grammatical mistakes, neither.

        1. Thank you, autocorrect, for messin’ up my comment.

          1. Thank you, Rich, for reminding me how much i hate Jimmy Fallon.

  12. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci….. ever made

    Fall-rise-fall: ‘Oedipus Rex’, ‘The Wonder Book of Bible Stories’, ‘A Hero of Our Time’ and ‘The Serpent River’.
    Rise-fall: ‘Stories from Hans Andersen’, ‘The Rome Express’, ‘How to Read Human Nature’ and ‘The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali’.
    Fall-rise: ‘The Magic of Oz’, ‘Teddy Bears’, ‘The Autobiography of St. Ignatius’ and ‘Typhoon’.
    Steady fall: ‘Romeo and Juliet’, ‘The House of the Vampire’, ‘Savrola’ and ‘The Dance’.
    Steady rise: ‘Alice’s Adventures Underground’, ‘Dream’, ‘The Ballad of Reading Gaol’ and ‘The Human Comedy’.
    Rise-fall-rise: ‘Cinderella’, ‘A Christmas Carol’, ‘Sophist’ and ‘The Consolation of Philosophy’.

    Of course, SugarFree’s stuff defies the “film, book and TV show” categorization.

    1. His ghost is haunting your link.

      1. Yep. Hammers home my point.

        1. “SugarFree” “Hammers home” and “point” is SF catnip.

  13. Take two:

    There are just SIX plots in every film, book and TV show ever made


    Fall-rise-fall: ‘Oedipus Rex’, ‘The Wonder Book of Bible Stories’, ‘A Hero of Our Time’ and ‘The Serpent River’.
    Rise-fall: ‘Stories from Hans Andersen’, ‘The Rome Express’, ‘How to Read Human Nature’ and ‘The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali’.
    Fall-rise: ‘The Magic of Oz’, ‘Teddy Bears’, ‘The Autobiography of St. Ignatius’ and ‘Typhoon’.
    Steady fall: ‘Romeo and Juliet’, ‘The House of the Vampire’, ‘Savrola’ and ‘The Dance’.
    Steady rise: ‘Alice’s Adventures Underground’, ‘Dream’, ‘The Ballad of Reading Gaol’ and ‘The Human Comedy’.
    Rise-fall-rise: ‘Cinderella’, ‘A Christmas Carol’, ‘Sophist’ and ‘The Consolation of Philosophy’.

    Of course, SugarFree’s stuff defies the “film, book and TV show” categorization.

    1. SugarFree’s stories: Rise, Fall, Vomit, Vigorous Scrubbing in Shower

      1. If masturbation doesn’t result in shame and indignity, you’re doing it wrong.

  14. “Unfortunately,” Upshot writers Kevin Quealy and Margot Sanger-Katz conclude, “the answer is anything but simple.”

    It’s only unfortunate for the ignorant, dumbasses, control freaks, experts who want power, politicians, shrill environmentalists, semi-retarded journalists looking for clickbait hooks, and progressives/commies/socialists.

    Oh, how they wish…

  15. Around the world, the longest lived people are those who eat beans every day-whether it’s the Japanese eating soy, the Swedes eating brown beans and peas, or those in the Mediterranean eating white beans, lentils, and chickpeas. Did you know 2 tablespoons of beans a day is associated with an 8% reduction in the risk of premature death? So the research says: hummus for the win!

    A doctor, ladies and gentlemen. 8% indeed…

    1. Did you know 2 tablespoons of beans a day is associated with an 8% reduction in the risk of premature death?

      So, eat 25 tablespoons of beans a day and LIVE FOREVER.

      1. New movie idea:

        BEYOND STUPID.

    2. Two… tablespoons… of beans.

      And an 8% reduction.

      What total nonsense.

    3. Peanut butter counts as beans, right?

  16. The research indicates any potential benefits from moderate consumption of alcohol are directly related to the ethanol content, which includes beer, wine and spirits.

    So, what’s better? High or low ethanol content? This seems like a thought that was only half started and maybe 25% finished…

    1. The research indicates any potential benefits from moderate consumption of alcohol are directly related to the ethanol content

      No shit? *That* is some mighty fine research.

      1. That whole sentence is structured in such a way that I get the impression the ‘expert’ got a C- in chemistry then proceeded to memorized a few biochemical-sounding facts about alcohol and threw them together to justify drinking wine all day.

            1. More beer,
              And more joy,
              Than age or time
              Could ever destroy.

          1. Would

    2. I have found empirically that high ethanol content correlates with greater probability of getting laid.

          1. I forgot the penis knows no bias.

            1. It just wants to get to its Homeland!

              1. It’s totally you guys fault that there are no female libertarians. We’ve even managed to get rid of the 3 who were pretending.

                1. Someone should tell Hyperion that Ken Schultz hacked his account.

                  1. Gary Johnson is a great libertarian! I don’t know who Jill Stein is. Hyperion is never getting his account back, bwaahahhaaahhaaa!

                  1. I’m just amazed that in the comments to that video is one from the law firm I used when I was resident in Bangkok.

                    1. Lady & Boy, LLP?

            2. I forgot the penis knows no bias.

              Apparently Bill Clinton’s does.

  17. As far as diet goes, I would say just don’t eat a really high carb diet with no fat or protein. Other than that, there’s too many variables. I’m waiting for advanced AI to tell me what to eat, I don’t trust human ‘experts’, everyone is biased. I always feel best if I eat a diet close to The Zone diet and limit alcohol. Also, I doubt the same thing will work for everyone.

  18. Fear: The Record

    Because it’s beautiful. Have a great day, y’all!

  19. As much as people realize that eating a lot of carrots won’t turn you intlo a carrot (just orange), they do persist in thinking that cholesterol you eat stays cholesterol and moves directly into your bloodstream

    1. Which is no dumber than thinking that fat is directly converted into adipose tissue.

      1. Recently I think more people think “carbs” (somethngkinda like gluten, I think) are what turns right into love handles

    2. Only about a quarter of your body’s cholesterol is retained from the foods you eat. The majority is produced de novo by your body.

      1. (Which didn’t stop my heavyset, hypertensive brother from suggesting that eliminating that 25% still gets him 25% toward his goal.)

  20. Agreed. Although id like if you could absorb something’s power by eating it, it should be pretty obvious that’s not how reality actually works

  21. Aaaggh. It’s “healthful” and “unhealthful”. Please tell me this was only the “Reason Staff” writer’s mistake, not the New York Times’ wording.

    1. Wow, it was the Times, America’s paper of record.

      1. It’s really gone downhill the last 164 years.

        1. Indeed.

    2. + Ambrose Bierce

    3. I know. I had just added the “people are healthy”/”things are healthful” to my list of pet peeves just when the world stop giving a shit. I don’t know if Webster has caved yet, but I’m just going to adjust to reality. I haven’t given up using the proper term, even though I get the “you talk like a fag” look when I do.

      I’m still clinging onto the bad/badly thing though. It’s tough when people think poorly of you when you correctly use “I feel bad” instead of badly. It’s getting to a point where you seem to get a demerit in the “proper use of language judgement game” even though you’re right. It’s almost as if you’re supposed to just cave and use badly even though it’s wrong just so you’re not judged to be ignorant.

    4. Language changes. Best to relax and enjoy it.

  22. Eat more meat, you fucking pussies.

    Related: I’ve noticed that fat chicks like to complain about people “moralizing food”, whatever that means. Is that some kind of current Facebook derp phrase or something?

    1. Eat more meat, you fucking pussies.

      Blowjobs for everyone!

    2. Related: I’ve noticed that fat chicks like to complain about people “moralizing food”, whatever that means. Is that some kind of current Facebook derp phrase or something?

      I can’t speak for them as I haven’t noticed / try to tune such people out as much as I can.

      However, I do notice at chafe at how many people subtly and not-so-subtly suggest that being fat / eating unhealthy foods makes you a bad person somehow, rather than merely ugly and unhealthy.

      On the other hand, the fat chicks to whom you refer are probably the delusional and/or liar types who claim that being fat is not unhealthy as well as attempt to browbeat society into believing that fat people (mostly fat women) are beautiful.

      In sum, everything sucks and everybody’s an asshole.

      1. I do notice at and chafe at

        1. However, I do notice at chafe at how many people subtly and not-so-subtly suggest that being fat / eating unhealthy foods makes you a bad person somehow, rather than merely ugly and unhealthy.

          Gluttony as a sin is a concept that has been found in pretty much every major human culture that I can think of. At the risk of constructing one of those evolutionary psych. ‘just-so-stories’ , I wonder if we have evolved to have such strong emotions toward the subject as a result of pressure to survive. That is, our African savannah brain observes someone taking what is deemed as more than his or her ‘fair share’ and we react as we are predisposed to view food as a zero-sum game. Such a view makes sense when a group is gathered around a kill and whatever meat that can be taken from the carcass is the totality of what food is available.

          1. Fuck off, Mulattolm Gladwell.

            1. Mulattolm Gladwell

              You mean just “Malcolm Gladwell”?

              1. Nah, your hair’s better.

          2. People don’t like people without self control. Being fat is an easily manifested example of a lack of self control. It’s as clear and evident as someone with an addiction. Of course, in many cases, it is an addiction to food. That’s primary.

            Now there’s a secondary resentment that since we now live in a collective hive, someones else’s fatness is a drain on the central treasury, and the presumed extra amount Seattle Slim is supposed to throw into the hopper. It’s the interest that is manufactured from socialism where disinterest should be carrying the day.

            1. I for one just find the fat fucks to be physically repulsive. I don’t give one crap about why they are fat fucks or how it is going to affect the hive, moral shortcoming or genetics, I don’t care, just have the decency to wear a muumuu or stay in doors.

          3. I think it is more of a evolutionary response to a poor mating match. Obesity is an clear visual indication of genetic defect, either physical, chemical, or psychological. I think some folks are repulsed by the obese in the same way some folks are repulsed by the deformed or retarded.

            Personally, as a guy, I really don’t notice fat males unless they are excessively odiferous, but have a fairly strong lip curling revulsion to obese chicks.

      2. In sum, everything sucks and everybody’s an asshole.

        And there’s *nothing wrong with that*.

        You need to stop being so judgemental and suck more black dick

      3. It’s a good point. Most people’s explanation for why people are fat is just gluttony and sloth, but said with a sneer.

        1. Which I should add that I don’t believe in at all. Most fat fucks try really hard not to be fat fucks. But the poor fat fucks mostly don’t realize that fat free Greek yogurt with a bunch of jelly added + a plain bagel is not weight loss food.

          1. I don’t think that most fat people try really hard not to be fat or they would not be fat.

            I do think that most fat people try to make you think they try hard not to be fat.

            Calories in vs. Calories out = fat or not in most cases

            1. Yeah, I believe some people have a harder time losing weight, but anybody willing to put in the effort can lose weight. Just get off your fat ass and walk. And then walk some more. And keep walking until you’re not so damn fat anymore.

    3. fat chicks like to complain about everything.

  23. Huevos Rancheros, Bratwurst, and POG Mimosas for lunch.

    It that’s wrong, fuck you.

    1. The beans mean you’ll live 8% longer, or something.

    2. POG?

      Is that like POM, only more asshole-y?

      1. The original mascot created when the POG drink was first marketed was called the “Izard of POG” who looked like a medieval gnome with stars and a magic wand. The “Izard of POG” was later dropped in favor of the current mascot called the Poglodyte. He is covered in yellow fur, stands about ten inches tall, and is known for his happy-go-lucky personality. Poglodyte dolls are considered to be good luck.

        I guess its a west-coast thing.

        1. Hawaiian. If you get a mixed drink on Maui, it’s gonna have POG in it.

        2. Alf’s back, in pog form.

          1. I’m in the middle of a marathon with my kids.

            Mattingly, I thought I told you to get rid of those sideburns!

      2. It stands for pomegranate, orange, and grease.

        1. The grease is in the Huevos. Butter fried.

            1. The sauce was a can of ro-tel tomatoes and green chiles with a tablespoon of Ancho powder, garlic, tomato paste, and orange juice.

      3. It’s spelled PAWG, duh!

  24. Court records dating to 2002 show Castile, a 32-year-old school cafeteria supervisor, averaged more than three traffic stops per year and received citations for misdemeanors or petty misdemeanors.

    Pulled over 50+ times in 15 years

    I don’t know if that’s a serious case of

    – “Driving while black”*
    – Proof of an inveterate scofflaw
    – Predatory traffic police trying to raise revenue
    – or God just up and fucking with someone for the lulz

    …or some combination of the above. but its certainly *notable*.

    I suspect partisans on either side will see it as proof of their biases; “he was a dirtbag who flaunted the law!” – “Typical! Persecution and harassment!”

    1. A stop every hundred and twenty days? It’s absurdly high, sure, but not unbelievable. What’s the city’s average per driving adult male? Or black, for that matter.

    2. Fishing expeditions. WOD.

      1. Best answer.

    3. A while back on my commute back from the city, I got behind a car that had a ‘I know, I know, license and registration’ painted on the back window.

      1. Humor can help. I know, they shouldn’t need humor in the first place.

    4. Pulled over 50 times and cited how many?

      That just makes the police look worse.

      1. He was assessed at least $6,588 in fines and fees, although more than half of the total 86 violations were dismissed, court records show.

        I do not know why i must enact this labor for you

    5. Maybe he’s a terrible driver.

      1. Was, rather.

  25. I find the correlation between government getting involved with nutrition and the obesity “epidemic”…

    …interesting.

    1. Government is about constantly inventing fake problems to solve so no one pays attention to the real ones.

      1. The fundamentally flawed “food pyramid” was just the masterstroke of genius our society needed to tackle the most pressing issue our malnourished society faced during the 70’s and 80’s. Their credibility in the “food sciences” debate is peerless, and second to none…

        1. Well look who decided to show up!

          Do you even Reason anymore, bro?

          1. I go where I’m needed, Playa…

  26. I see the AP is reporting the dead guy in Minnesota had been stopped about fifty times for various motor vehicling infractions.

    Good shoot, I guess.

  27. RTFA? Fuck that.

    I don’t even read the comments.

    1. That explains your aversion to threading.

      1. The Late P Brooks has been the most amazing Carnac the Magnificent redux ever.

  28. Without college, you’re an igorant nobody

    The opening salvo of a NYT editorial about Hillary’s desperately needed, and largely plagiarized, “Free College for Po’ Folks!” plan:

    The cost of college is choking off opportunity in the United States, preventing some young people from getting an education

    Magical thinking in its purest form.

    Or, maybe, just another heaping helping of mendacious nonsense.

    1. Bog-standard rationale for first-order thinking. Many occupations require degrees… so we’ll get more people to complete a degree.

    2. Sure, now “an education” means going to 4 years of college.

      1. 4-6 years of college.

    3. Right-wing nutjob, Matt Bruenig, points out that this “Free College” pitch is just welfare for the rich =

      At public colleges (the type we’d likely make free), students from the poorest fourth of the population currently pay no net tuition at either two-year or four-year institutions, while also receiving an average of $3,080 and $2,320 respectively to offset some of their annual living expenses. Richer students currently receive much fewer tuition and living grant benefits.

      Given these class-based differences in attendance levels, institutional selection, and current student benefit levels, making college free for everyone would almost certainly mean giving far more money to students from richer families than from poorer ones.

      Don’t worry – for every one point he is correct on, there are at least 5 where he’s off in space

      1. It also means more people indoctrinated in the latest SJW bullshit.

        1. It also means more New Yorkers decamping to the heartland.

  29. The initiative’s $125,000 ceiling is too high, some education policy makers say, providing free tuition to students from families that can afford to pay.

    Fucking one percenters.

  30. Speaking of cults:

    Just heard one Mark Maron’s stand up routines on one of those Sirius comedy stations. In one of his bits he said ‘global warming is real’ and only a ‘globalized douchebag’ would think it’s not.

    Da fuck? He’s funny and all that but Lord me this climate change cult runs deep.

    1. “Globalized douchebag”? Who does he think is pushing global warming other than supranationalists?

    2. Its not about Climate Change. Its about tooting your own horn that you’re “One of US” and not “one of THEM”.

  31. Not about race: the nigger had a gun

    A suburban Minnesota police officer who killed a black driver reacted to the man’s gun, not his race, his attorney said Saturday, giving the most detailed account so far of why the officer drew his own weapon.

    Philando Castile’s girlfriend, who streamed the immediate aftermath of the shooting live on Facebook, has said he was shot several times after telling the officer he had a gun and a permit to carry it.

    St. Anthony Police Officer Jeronimo Yanez was reacting to “the presence of that gun and the display of that gun” when he opened fire on Castile, Minneapolis attorney Thomas Kelly told The Associated Press. He declined to elaborate on how Castile displayed the weapon or what led up to the deadly Wednesday traffic stop.

    \THE GUN WAS COMING RIGHT AT HIM

    1. I’d think this argument would put him and his cop peers trying to defend him in a serious rhetorical bind.

      So they’re saying… if you are a CCP holder = DO NOT tell the officer? because then he’ll just freak out and shoot you?

      If he claims that mere awareness of the presence of a firearm provoked him to shoot, i can imagine the millions of carry-permit holders asking, “Dear police = i thought we were friends?” If cops are suddenly pretending that they have the right to freak out and blow-away anyone who VOLUNTARILY admits to having a gun … i’d think every single person carrying is being told, “Don’t do what you’re actually supposed to do = and keep it quiet”

      But it really does seem that police are making that sort of argument in this case = that even voluntary announcement that you have a carry permit and a weapon can in theory be used against you if the police want to claim you were “a threat” after the fact.

      1. Some states require concealed carry holders to inform the officer at a stop if they’re carrying. Is MN one of those states?

        1. I was under the impression that, whether its the law or not, that its considered “Best practice” and common-courtesy to police.

          Nat Review comments on the MN law, and echoes my point =

          Under Minnesota law, concealed carriers are not required to tell police officers that they are carrying until they are explicitly asked. Moreover, in no state is the mere act of carrying a firearm sufficient justification for a police officer to open fire (there is a crucial difference between “carrying” and “brandishing” that is often ignored in the press). If, as Reynolds claims, Castile was killed while doing no more than reaching for his ID, then it seems clear that the officer was in the wrong. How many other cops, one wonders, remain unaware of how they should engage with citizens who are licensed to carry?

          1. And yet in reality, the mere presence of a firearm anywhere near a police shooting can be justification.

            I never heard any resolution to the “urban spring break shooting” in Miami. They claimed some guy was shooting at police and bystanders (hitting 5 people) as he sped past barricades when they gunned him down. It turned out that all shots fired were by police.

            They found a gun behind the driver’s seat a day later – even though the back seat behind the driver is the first place they looked according to the video, even before opening the driver’s door.

            Once a gun was confirmed, everything else stopped. With “furtive movement” or “reached for waistband” being easily enough to clear any review board hurdles when a gun is present, I don’t see how one can claim that in a practical sense “the presence of a gun is not justification to open fire”.

            The presence of any weapon or perceived weapon has been successfully defended as a justification for opening fire many, many times.

            When faced with the incredulity of law-and-order types on this issue I always point them back to their own rights. What would happen to you if you were to shoot someone under these conditions? I’ve never really gotten past “it is different because they are police” with this argument, but maybe it sinks in later.

            1. And yet, in the video that Lavish shot, Castile had a gun sitting on his leg/on his side after he was shot. The question is how did it get there? If it was concealed, and he was reaching for his ID, it should not have been there. Maybe the cops moved it there, I don’t know. But….the cop who shot him kept saying “I told him not to reach for it” in a panicked mood after the shooting. We don’t know what happened in the time between the cops pulling them over and the time Lavish started filming. And they were pulled over because Castile looked like a suspect in an armed robbery 4 days earlier. So the cops were probably on edge talking to him. And again, we don’t know what happened during the initial contact. Body cams again are of prime importance.

      2. Two people were killed by the cops in one week because they told the officer they were armed. If I was carrying there is no fucking way I’d tell a cop.

    2. St. Anthony Police Officer Jeronimo Yanez was reacting to “the presence of that gun and the display of that gun”

      Bullshit. Yanez shat his pants at the prospect of an armed civilian and barely managed to fumble his glock out of his holster to fire a few warning shots into the man’s torso before the effluent slid down his pants and into his jackboots.

      1. The prosecution rests, your honor…

      1. Nigger cunt smokes Newports. Good shoot. Case closed.

      2. Yeah, they all look alike, right? Just pull over all blacks and shoot them till we get the right one, they were all probably doing something wrong anyway.

        /derp

        1. Sweet dude! I see you have an open mind and don’t just buy the original narrative as sold by the dead man’s companion. Things are definitely not complicated. But, we should just pull over random black people and kill them. That is what is being advocated. ::High five::

          1. I can’t decide if you’re retarded or if you’re retarded.

            1. I’m Rekt!!!!

          2. Things are definitely not complicated.

            Rules of gun safety, brah.

            The trigger is not your finger rest.

            Never aim your weapon at something you do not intend to destroy.

            Children of five learn these rules. These are not complicated rules. These are simple rules, learned by dint of experience, and passed down by generations who understood that when putting an armed man into a volatile situation, it will often be his simple mistakes that undo him.

            1. I had a typo. It’s more complicated

              1. ‘Tisn’t. To my eyes, the cop’s poor trigger discipline was the focal error. Everything from there is just excuses for abysmal shooting fundamentals.

                You are naturally free to disagree, just so we’re clear that I’m fine with your spelling.

                1. It’s possible the cop is to blame. I don’t want to make a judgement until both sides have a chance to present evidence. So, we don’t necessarily disagree, but I don’t agree at this time either.

                2. Poor trigger discipline? He shot Mr Castile FIVE TIMES.

            2. Those rules are for people who can be charged with manslaughter.

            3. The guy did not have a CCP and from the facebook video his companion shot, a gun was on his lap/at his side(it could be argued either way) after he got shot. How it got there? Good question.

              1. The guy did not have a CCP and from the facebook video his companion shot, a gun was on his lap/at his side(it could be argued either way) after he got shot.

                “I’m fine with second amendment rights, but…”

                Red Herring

                Over medium-low heat, saute 3 cloves of very thinly sliced garlic in olive oil until aromatic. Retrieve garlic, crank heat to medium and saute red herring, well seasoned with salt and pepper, until crusted brown on each side. (Pro tip – leave it the fuck alone. Fish will release from the pan when it’s ready to flip.) Remove red herring from the pan and reserve, in the remaining oil saute onion, celery and as many peppers as the good Lord saw fit to bless you with. Deglaze the pan with a good splash of white wine, return the red herring and garlic to the pan, add a few tablespoons of butter and sprinkle with parsley.

                1. My point is that, according to his passenger, he lied to the cop. Lying is not a good idea.

                  1. Lying is not a good idea

                    *files under Abysmal Shooting Fundamentals, Excuses For*

                    1. You are very focused on a single theory. If true, you are good to go, but I don’t think we have those facts in yet.

                    2. Just upthread you admitted the cop could plausibly be to blame, now it’s all “theory” and “we don’t know the right facts yet” and dismissing me as hyperfocused.

                      I’m delighted you have a position and appear to be putting some thought into it, but I’ll tell you frankly, this is not effectively selling your argument for me.

                    3. Just upthread you admitted the cop could plausibly be to blame, now it’s all “theory” and “we don’t know the right facts yet” and dismissing me as hyperfocused.

                      What? I do think it’s plausible the cop is to blame. And you are hyperfocused on the cop having a happy trigger finger. What am I missing? We don’t have all of the facts yet.

                    4. So, you’re ignoring the facts we do know because they are insufficient facts, figured out a way to handwave away anything I say, and are attaching dire importance to facts that turn out to be not true or may not be in existence yet.

                      Yes, I can see you’ve thought this one through very carefully.

                    5. You are the one who is asserting a happy trigger finger as fact. Please show me video where that is true? I want to see all of the facts. What facts are I handwaving away? I want to know the truth. This last post by you has nothing of substance.

              2. So everyone’s lying about Mr Castile’s CWP, except for “sundance” at conservativetreehouse.com?

                1. OK, to clarify, he did not have a CCP from the city where he was pulled over.

                  1. Article says county, but Ramsey is a city from what I can tell.

                    1. Googling now shows this

                  2. He had one from his county-of-residence when he was issued the license

                    1. Like I said, I am waiting for all of the facts.

                    2. Well, clearly, if the heroes were unsure about all this license shit, then killing him was ok.

                      No American should need any fucking license to carry a weapon. It’s a guaranteed right, period. Making exceptions to constitutional rights is a recipe for totalitarianism.

                    3. Did I say people don’t have the right to carry weapons? Quote me. I was referencing lying. And I appear to be wrong. The facts do seem to say that he did have a CCP in a different county. So, did he tell the cops that it was in a different county? Does that matter in Minn.? And….is it even relevant in this case? The only witness who has said he was reaching for his license and ID is his passenger. The cops involved have not said anything. There’s a minute plus of time that we have no idea what happened other than that he was shot. He was also pulled over for being a suspect in an armed robbery. You can call it racism, but he does bear a resemblance to one of the two suspects in the armed robbery. Not a passing resemblance, but a very close resemblance(call me racist for my adjective). Was he the suspect? The taillights appeared to be working in video we’ve seen, so the broken taillight reason for pulling him over could have been a ruse to determine if he was that suspect. That’s a whole other discussion. The CCP is just one facet of the whole incident as well. The screen shot from the passenger that showed a gun at his side/in his lap(it can be argued either way) is another facet. I don’t know all of the facts, and neither do you. Certainly, this killing could be another piece of evidence in the police over-reaction file, but we don’t know all of the facts at this time.

      3. I knew it wasn’t about a taillight.

        1. We still don’t know why he was shot, but there’s facts to suggest it’s not as simple as racist/trained-to-shoot-first cops.

  32. NuSI-funded Study Serves Up Disappointment for the Carbohydrate-insulin Hypothesis of Obesity

    A new metabolic ward study tests the idea that lowering insulin via severe carbohydrate restriction increases metabolic rate and accelerates fat loss, independently of calorie intake. Although carbohydrate restriction did modestly increase metabolic rate, it actually slowed fat loss. One of the details that sets this study apart from previous studies is that it was funded by the Nutrition Science Initiative, an organization that was founded [by Gary Taubes and others] specifically to test the insulin hypothesis of obesity and related concepts.

  33. Reading though the rest of the article, it says the cop’s partner was on the other side of the car, at the passenger window.

    I’d be pissed, if *I* were the backstop for a burst of panic fire.

  34. I’m jsut gonna avoid this food stuuf from now own, it’s crazy lol!

  35. “Moderation in all things.”

    -Aristotle

    “More vodka”

    – Me

    1. more of that Knock Knock. Who’s There? Vodka.-brand vodka, please!

  36. Roger Ailes: sexual harassment monster:

    Susan*, 66
    Former model

    I was 16 years old living in Radnor, Pennsylvania. I was sent over for a walk-on part on The Mike Douglas Show in the winter of 1967. It was 6:30 in the evening and the place was totally closing up. Ailes took me into this big office and locked the door with a key. He reclined on a couch in a seating area under a map that had flags of all the cities they were syndicated in. He proceeded to pull down his pants and very gingerly pull out his genitals and said, “Kiss them.” And they were red like raw hamburger. He was pretty meticulously dressed, with long white shirttails coming out. It was like he was just at the end of a long day and I was supposed to know what to do. I was a kid, I’d never seen a man’s privates before. I jumped up, but the door is locked and nobody’s out there. He chased me around the office and at some point it dawned on him that this just wasn’t going to happen. He finally pulled up his trousers. He was very angry and rushed over to his desk, pulled open a door and had a reel-to-reel tape recorder going. He said to me, ‘Don’t tell anybody about this. I’ve got it all on tape.’ I think he knew I was sixteen.

    Suddenly I’m in the mood for a Big Mac.

    1. Soo.. he threatened her with the evidence that would convict him for (statutory) rape? A cunning plan…

        1. Well, I suppose so long as *somebody* posts that, it doesn’t matter which of us does it first…

          darn you.

          1. Said like a loser who didn’t post first. Sad.

      1. You can’t statutory rape a 16 y/o in PA.

        1. You were acquitted?

          1. His daughter wouldn’t testify.

            1. Even though she caught SIV?

              1. Can’t run as fast as I used to

    2. (checks closet for possible reel-to-reel recorders)

      1. There wouldn’t just be the recorder, there’d be a hipster to explain why it was so cool.

        1. I am that hipster.

          Seriously though, i was a pussy-hair away from owning a 1/2″ Ampex 2-track at one point. I still have a storage space full of obsolete recording equipment.

          1. The ultimate hipster-rig is a Nakamichi Dragon. It’s total hotness upstages costar Kim Basinger in 9 1/2 Weeks. I watch that movie just to jerk off to that cassette deck.

            1. that thing was probably obsolete the year after it was made. anyone who thought you could get “better audio” out of .075 of cheap compact-cassette tape would need to have had half their brain eradicated by cocaine.

              looks awesome though.

    3. Fact: Roger Ailes is Dennis Reynolds’ father.

      Shocking fact: A television producer was sleazy.

    4. So… Roger Ailes was Bill Clinton before Bill Clinton?

    1. Well, see you in a few years and then you can tell us what the game was like.

    2. That’s a… umm.. fresh perspective..

    3. My first time playing, I got to that town where the museum is and I was sneaking around the back of some building to ambush a group of raiders. I came around the corner of one and that fucking deathclaw was standing in the middle of the street looking right at me. Freaked me the fuck out.

      1. that’s odd. from what i recall, that beastie is scripted and isn’t supposed to pop out of the ground until a specific point in the game.

        1. I don’t know. I know he pops up out of that underground entrance, typically. I restarted the game several times because of bugs. It was so buggy at first, being a first day release buyer, I had at least 5-6 restarts after patches before I started getting further. Anyway, and maybe it was because the game was so buggy at that point, I walked into town, and started having a shoot out with raiders. I was under powered and of course, way out numbered. So I had to go into stealth tactics. I ducked through an alley on the right and was sneaking around a building, maybe 2 buildings back from the museum, and when I turned the corner, the fucker was already on the loose and looking right at me. I ran like hell, I thought it was Godzilla and I was totally not expecting that. I never did get around to actually confronting it until I had the suit and it all played out like you’re saying.

    4. That’s pretty damn funny, lol.

    1. “With this year marking the centenary of the Battle of the Somme, I would once again appeal for all those participating in or spectating at our demonstration to act in a manner befitting of the occasion.”

      uh, getting “blasted to bits” is about as befitting as anything re: The Somme.

      speaking of Irish bad-attitudes in the wake of WWI…. this is a very good book

    2. Irish? Meh, only the Brits and Welsh had the balls to tell Brussels to piss the fuck off. The Irish and Scotts should have to drink warm beer and… oh wait, they already do that, never mind.

      1. True fact: mugs used to be too expensive for the pub to provide, so customers had to bring their own. Due to the bulkiness of traditional drinking glasses, travelers carried a leather pouch coated in tar, called a blackjack.
        Mmm, warm beer drank out of a tar coated leather pouch….

  37. it does appear that everyone polled now realizes that processed foods, and foods that contain saturated fat, cholesterol, added sugar or salt cannot be called healthy

    I wouldn’t let this guy give me a band-aid.

    1. Much of the dietary idiocy of the last 40 years on display in one sentence.

  38. Not even if he sings the song?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2QnG3DwVW0

  39. The trouble is you consulted nutritionists. Had you consulted linguists, they’d’ve explained what you’re probably interested in is which foods are healthful, not healthy. Then again, if you’d consulted agronomists, they’d’ve been interested in which ones are healthy.

  40. Posted this before. Now I’m in a FB debate (Yeah, I know. Waste of time) with an old friend over the morality/effectiveness of trapping people in their cars on the freeway to promote social change. His argument? We’ve tried other peaceful methods and they didn’t work. And besides, making people late for a Yoga lesson is a small price to pay when blacks are being murdered by cops. Barf.

    1. The problem is when the language used is: “We’ve tried to be peaceful, but now we have to act!” It’s like, uh, is that a violent threat? I’ll defer to MLK

        1. Bible says Eye for an Eye as well. How does this apply to protesters?

          1. Read my post again, please.

            1. I’m dumb. I did reply without actually listening to the full video, and now I think I missed something. But I’m not sure what that is. Are we in agreement?

              1. Well again, MLK blocked the way to a lot of lunch counters.

                Brother Malcom had no time for that shit.

                1. So you are cool with eye for an eye. So if some other heroic mulatto kills a lily white person and the rest of the lily white people decide to take your shit, that’s cool? I really want to understand. I need details. Are you saying there is systematic black oppression? I am not necessarily disagreeing with that, but being violent probably won’t work so well to overcome it. Like I said, I am dumb. I need details.

                  1. “Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone” precludes blocking a highway, no?

                    “if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery”

                    If…if…IF

                    1. We agree.

      1. Destroying the goodwill. Absolutely. The disturbing part is thinking about how far they would go to get the social change they want. If the goal is to stop blacks from being murdered by cops and you’ve decided violating the rights of strangers is justified, you’ve pretty much endorsed any violence in the name of “justice”.

    2. Maybe you could convince your friend, if white people were also being murdered by cops, that this is not about race, but since that has never happened, I guess you don’t have any ammo left.

    3. We’ve tried other peaceful methods and they didn’t work

      Rather than reflect on “why”, that then becomes an excuse for “just getting stupider”

      The problem with “protest movements” is that they’re morally self-satisfying (you get to yell and stomp your feet like children in public)… but they’re useless unless there’s a specific *policy* being demanded which a politician can grab and use to popularlize themselves.

      They have to understand that politicians are self-interested beings as well, and they’re only going to forward your agenda if they think its coherent and can get them elected or re-elected. Help them help you, dumbass.

      1. IOW, they need to stop thinking like “activists”, and start thinking like “Lobbyists”. Get your congresspeople scared that you’re going to fuck with THEM, and make them lose their jobs unless they help you. And when you get them, then you need to get a few more. And when you have enough, then you give them the legislation you want, pre-written and with a bunch of talking-points for them to use with the press.

        the reason they DONT do this shit is because in reality, its not about ‘change’. its just about self-satisfaction and peer-affirmation. they whine and moan and tear their hair… not because the world is failing to heed their cries, but because that’s actually what they want = to make a scene and feel morally superior to everyone else.

        Vanity.

      2. Public choice theory. Use it’s insight to further your cause. Problem is the bigger the group, the harder it is to be focused enough to get a coherent policy out of them. 2% of the EU are farmers, but they are extremely effective at getting policies enacted.

    4. No offense, but he’s quite an inconsiderate jerk. I think there are more than just people going to Yoga being impacted.

      1. It’s the left’s view of the world in a nutshell: What I’m doing is important. Other people are just waste of space.

    5. We’ve tried other peaceful methods and they didn’t work.

      Oh, so you’ve tried every possible peaceful method, huh? No, you haven’t. Here’s one I know you haven’t tried: stop subsidizing poverty and single-motherhood, which is how you produce lots of violent dimwits who get into losing fights with cops. Let’s get to the root of the problem, folks. It may take 20 years or more to take full effect, but it will make a real difference.

  41. Henry David Thoreau: “Time is but the stream I go fishing in.” All of us enter that stream at birth and for a period of years we float along in different directions; experience joys and sorrows; taste the fruits that life has to offer and, inevitably, one day the water disappears and suddenly we no longer exist. Death has arrived and our short time on earth has expired.

    Don’t fish near cops.

    1. Breitbart…you might as well hang a confederate battle flag on your front door.

      1. There are some foolish people who judge the veracity and importance of news solely on the outlet where it appears, but I’m not one of them. Different news outlets have different strengths. This is not a story that the NY Times is going to touch.

        1. I don’t care where I hear news, I just want to see facts. There is a joke about NY Times not touching news versus Al Jazeera(or whatever Muslim news org you want to reference)…….

    2. Not sure who else is up, but I figured I’d throw in this:

      In Mexico the age of consent is 12. It is not the only country with a much lower age of consent. This ought to be a factor in immigration policy.

      On a side note, I saw part of a Bordain show about Ethiopia. They did a very brief overview of the country’s history. The emperor tried modernize the country, then there was a famine, then 30 years later he we are. I realize it’s not a history show, but they ought to have at least mentioned that the famine was the result of Marxist thugs who overthrew the govt and instituted a bunch of really stupid policies.

      1. Marxist thugs who overthrew the govt and instituted a bunch of really stupid policies.

        Well its because they were bad apples, not because their ideas were bad.

      2. I went to Barcelona like 8 years ago. It freaked me out when we were on La Rambla at like 11 or midnight and there were couples walking around and the guy looked liked he was in his 20s and the girl looked like she was 13.

        No judgement, but, there are different standards between the US and elsewhere.

      3. I saw that very episode and came away distinctly passed about the Marxists fucking up the country and Marcus Samuelsson’s wife’s family’s prosperity. I did not come away from it with the impression of blame being deflected from the commies by use of the passive voice at all.

  42. Never played a Pokemon game, but my friends and roommate got me into Pokemon GO. Pretty neat, makes walking around fun. And my kid cousin loves it and its getting all the kids to walk to go outside

    The ironic thing is that a free video game will do more to combat childhood obesity in a month than 8 years of Michelle Obama attempting to use millions of government money and tons of coercion.

  43. A handful (singular) weighs in.

  44. Reason asks an attorney for an opinion about nutrition? Will we be hearing from attorneys about astronomy and the free radical theory of aging?

    1. Sure, if you can scrape up their fee.

      1. Which should cover my concurring opinion fee as well, RC.

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  48. Proper English, Please

    “But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.” -George Orwell (1903-1950)

    The food is neither healthy nor unhealthy. You are healthy or unhealthy. The food is healthful or unhealthful.

  49. However, eating a healthy, balanced diet doesn’t mean surviving solely on carrot juice, rabbit food and bird seed. All you have to do is really simple. Eat from a wide variety of food groups in the right quantities to maintain the energy and nutrients a healthy adult needs.

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