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Witness: Cops Comforted Philando Castile's Killer, Told Him 'He Would Get Through This'

Girlfriend Diamond Reynolds: 'They treated me like I did this.'

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Screenshot via Diamond Reynolds / Facebook

Diamond Reynolds, the girlfriend of Philando Castile who witnessed his shooting, said that no one bothered to check his pulse—instead, officers were more concerned with reassuring the cop who killed Castile that everything would be okay (for him).

"[Other officers] pulled [the officer who shot Castile] over to the side and they began to calm him down and tell him that it was okay and he would get through this," said Reynolds during a press conference on Thursday, according to Slate.

Meanwhile, Castile was unconscious and bleeding to death in the car where he had been shot five times. Reynolds and her young daughter were removed from the vehicle, separated, and eventually taken to the police station. Officers made Reynolds feels like it was her fault—like she was responsible for what had happened to her boyfriend.

"They treated me like I did this," said Reynolds.

As Brian Doherty noted earlier, Castile was pulled over for a broken tail light. The officer issued contradictory instructions to him and Reynolds, asking them to both provide license and registration while keeping their hands in the air. Castile informed the officer that he was carrying a firearm, and reached for his wallet to produce his permit. The officer then opened fire.

There's so much wrong with all of this. A man—a black man—should not lose his life for daring to exercise his Second Amendment rights. And while the killing of Castile is by far the most galling crime committed here, the way the police treated Reynolds is also inexcusable. The cops were only capable of showing humanity toward one of their own: the officer involved in the shooting. Assuming Reynolds' account is accurate, such utter lack of empathy on the part of law enforcement—during and after the shooting—is a grave concern.

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  1. Sorry, OT, but I think it’s important:

    Has reason responded to the apparent scrubbing of all of straffinrun’s posts? I haven’t been following closely enough to see if they had.

    1. It’s ok. You’ll get through this.

      1. Are your thoughts and prayers with him?

        1. That goes without saying.

    2. I’m late to the party. Where did his/her comments go and why?

      1. He started writing all these creepy sex stories about politicians and then he was gone.

        1. Muscling in on Warty’s turf is punishable by banishment? Seems legit.

          1. That is SugarFreelandia.

          2. I would have thought that sexual fiction about politicians would be SF’s turf.

          3. Whoever. I don’t want to visit either of their countries, states, domains, lairs, dens of iniquity, etc.

            1. One does not visit; one is abducted.

              1. So THAT’s what happened to straffinrun?

            2. Seriously, this place is a hive of scum of villainy that makes Mos Eisley look Disneyland, and that’s what got Staffinrun in trouble? I thought we had to at least threaten a a federal prosecutor with a woodchipper to get investigated.

              1. Now Reason isn’t getting the privilege of running my upcoming “A Walk In The Park With Crusty” series. The first story featured Barbara Boxer and my anus.

                Your loss, Reason! I will be taking my work over to Medium; those fucks will publish anything.

        2. No one likes getting uncomfortable boners on the internet.

          1. I’m quite comfortable, thank you very much.

          2. [citation needed]

          3. Fist needs to wear looser pants to work.

            1. And stop getting all these promotions? I don’t think so.

              1. Hmmm…. McDonalds coupons are technically promotions.

                I’ll let this one stand.

    3. Google search shows his posts up to around June 30th

    4. What? If I’m thinking of the right guy, I wouldn’t have thought he would attract that kind of attention. Is there some idea of why that would have happened?

      1. I reached out to Doherty to see if he had any information. I’ll let you know if I hear back.

  2. For the love of Bob, do not go to PoliceOne’s FB page concerning this story. It’s unbelievable that we just celebrated a day when we declared our independence from a tyrannical monarchy but yet it’s easy for many to bootlick the boots of authority.

    1. Oh man it must be awful. Waiting for David French to chime in with his bull shit.

      1. It’s astounding how Conservatives always preach that we shouldn’t trust the government but then turn their minds off and dispel with that logice when it comes to awful prosecutors and LEO’s.

        1. So true. I sent this article to my father–who identifies himself as a conservative libertarian–and he hit all the important parts about why it’s basically OK.

          “I couldn’t do their job.”

          “There are some bad eggs.”

          “I’m thankful there are people willing to put their lives on the line for me and my family.”

          “Mistakes will be made.”

          1. “I’m thankful there are people willing to put their lives on the line for me and my family.”

            Yeah. Me. Because it’s my fucking family.

            1. Philando Castile was actually on his way to Riven’s dad’s house.

            2. EXACTLY. I’ve said that to him a few times, but he just tuts and condescends back at me.

              As it turns out, I consider myself the first line of defense against threats against….myself.

              1. * makes mental note not to stare too hard when Riven is doing dead lifts.

          2. Mistakes are made, but it’s no longer a mistake when you keep on doing the same shit that harms people. It becomes at best carelessness and at worst, not giving a fuck.

            As for,” There are some bad eggs,” comment, that’s fine and all but whenever anyone tries to do some sort of reform to punish the bad eggs or keep them off the police force, you get some sort of backlash from the FOP or their union equivalent.

            Seriously, I want to go into apeshit mode whenever I hear these excuses come up.

            1. So do I.

              My father and I have had several arguments about cops.

              I’ve pointed out that they’re all bad eggs if the good eggs just let the bad eggs get away with this shit–or worse, if the good eggs actively cover for the bad ones.

              1. You should ask your father to suspend the talking points for a second and have him consider the HUMAN side of police incompetence. This seems like a good case. A father was killed before his family and for what exactly? What were the police doing that was a public service? Checking out for a tail light? He’s right. Most of us couldn’t do their jobs because a lot of it demands unnecessary violence against others and worse if you are one of the good guys you have to accept it. Which makes me wonder if you’re a good guy to begin with.

                1. True. I couldn’t be a cop because I wouldn’t pull someone over for a broken taillight. I’d pull up alongside and let the guy know, and then never give it another thought. I certainly wouldn’t shoot him over it.

                  1. Obviously you are unaware of the duty of a police officer! Doing as you described won’t put any $$$ in the coffers. You gotta write the ticket!

              2. Eggs go bad so quickly too, you really should get entirely new eggs every few weeks anyway.

          3. I’m thankful there are people willing to put their lives on the line for me and my family.

            Me, too. I just wish some of them were cops.

            1. Yeah,. shooting anyone who you think might be a danger is hardly putting your life on the line.

          4. Killing someone without justification isn’t a mistake, it’s a crime. If it was only negligent, but not malicious, it is a lesser crime. Regardless, crimes happen more often when they go unpunished.

            1. Maybe e can say he had no intent

          5. All of those would be acceptable, even admirable statements of the “bad eggs” and those who “make mistakes” were held to account.

          6. My father’s father was NYPD. He was a cop defender for years. That incident in Chicago broke him. He said, “That was a straight up murder. They really will lie and cheat to keep a cold blooded murderer.” He’s coming around to feeling about the FOP/Police union the same way he feels about every other public union.

            1. If your old man was a cop this and others like this are of no surprise to him

    2. It’s amazing what kind of sick shit gets some people turgid.

      1. Stay out of my search history then!

  3. OT: Hillary Clinton was not under oath or recorded when she spoke with the FBI.

    When asked if there was a transcript of the interview, Comey stated that there wasn’t one because the interview wasn’t recorded, but there was an analysis of Clinton’s interview.

    Can we at least get pretend justice? Is that asking too much?

    http://www.breitbart.com/video…..me-to-lie/

    1. Can we at least get pretend justice? Is that asking too much?

      Yes. What kind of extremist are you, anyway?

    2. It depends on what the meaning of gross negligence gross negligence.

      1. It also depends on what the meaning of extreme recklessness extreme recklessness.

        1. From the Department of Redundancy Dept.

    3. Actually, the FBI does not as a general rule record interviews. You see that way they can always prosecute you for lying and you have no way of proving your innocence.

      1. Exactly. An FBI agent takes notes on what you’re saying, the interviewee does not get to review those notes, and then that becomes the official record of the interview. If the interviewee ever tries to say something different than what is in those notes, bam, lying to the FBI, felony.

        1. Or if the case against you falls apart but the FBI still wants its pound of flesh, the Agent just says you lied and you have no way to defend yourself. Who is the jury going to believe, the FBI agent or you?

          BAM, plea bargain, a felony conviction and about 11 months in federal prison. The feds are scum.

          1. They do have to interview you under oath, though, to double-jeopardize you this way, right?

            Which is why Hillary was not under said compunction.

            1. No. Lying to the FBI in any form is a crime. This is why you never talk to them. Get a lawyer and let your lawyer talk to them. Never think you can talk your way out of something. You can’t. They are not your friends. They are evil scum there to put you in jail regardless of whether you are guilty.

              1. Of course, when you won’t talk to them, they’ll then accuse of you of failing to cooperate in their investigation in any subsequent sentencing. You can’t win once you’re in their crosshairs.

                1. There can only be a sentencing hearing if there is a conviction. And they are not very smart or good investigators. Nearly all of their convictions are gimmes where the person is dumb enough to talk to them and get conned into confessing. If you get a lawyer and don’t talk to them, chances are they will move on to someone else, provided you are not actually guilty and they can prove it via paperwork.

                  1. On the corporate side, there are broad laws that can ensnare pretty much anyone (and I know its going to come as a shock to Comey, but including people who didn’t realize what they were doing was illegal), plus lots of paper trails, plus an organization looking to save itself.

              2. They sure seemed friendly to HRC. But, even she wouldn’t talk to them without her lawyer.

            2. No oath necessary. 18 USC 1001.

        2. Why can’t they just lie by saying you talked to them when you didn’t?

          1. That’s why you need to insist your lawyer be there when you refuse to talk.
            If they show up at your door, slam it in their face and call him/her and relate what happened.
            It’s the best you can do when confronted with that which should be illegal, on their part.
            I don’t believe the Founders intended for there to be anything like an “FBI”.

      2. That is interesting if a bit disturbing. Are these people put under oath? Is that why it is illegal?

        Please don’t tell me that simply lying to a fed is illegal. That would be too much to bear today.

        And if they are put under oath, why wasn’t Hillary put under oath?

        1. Yes, Jimbo, lying to an investigator is a crime. It is what they got Martha Stewart for. As far as the oath part, they don’t need to put you under oath since lying to them is a crime.

          1. The whole thing is set up so they can pick who they want to send to jail, and then manufacture the charges to justify it. The fact that Clinton agreed to this interview shows that she knew full well what the outcome was going to be. No person that actually thought she was in jeopardy and that had competent legal advice would do that.

            1. You got Adam. And amazingly, people still talk to them.

          2. I was afraid that would be the answer.

            How is that even possible? I could almost see it if you were under oath. But fuck, I should be free to say whatever I want to who I want without fear of legal problems.

            The number one reason I mostly stay on the right side of the law is that I know I would do poorly if I ever got involved in this process.

          3. But they’re free to lie to you with no consequences whatsoever.

      3. Does the FBI let you record your own interview?

        Asking for a friend.

        1. No they do not.

        1. Only applies to arrestees, which is a very limited subset of interviews for the FBI.

    4. From what I read somewhere else. Comey didn’t even speak to the officials that interviewed her. I guess the Cliffs notes version of the interview was enough for him. How’s that for an exhaustive investigation?

      1. Comey didn’t have to. The outcome was determined when Bill and Loretta had their tete a tete in Phoenix

        1. Long before that.

    5. So, less of an interview and more of a “friendly chat.” I’d be willing to bet that they spent all of maybe 5 minutes discussing the server and the classified documents on it and spent the rest of the time just shootin’ the shit.

      1. It “centered mostly on grandchildren, golf and travel.”

        1. “You’d like to see your grand-children again, wouldn’t you?”

          “Buried up to your neck in a sand-trap (in Rhyiad) is no way spend your retirement.”

    6. My understanding is that this is SOP with the FBI. That way they can make the interview turn out however they want.

  4. The officer issued contradictory instructions to him and Reynolds, asking them to both provide license and registration while keeping their hands in the air.

    That sounds to me like somebody who was scared shitless and was cracking under the stress. In other words, not a good person to be trusted with a firearm and a license to kill.

    1. An acquaintance I know who works for the DA office in Cook County told us that they only “train” people with a certain IQ to be police. Basically, if you are able to calmly and rationally process incidents along with having a good moral system, then you aren’t a good candidate for the CPD

      1. A guy sued NYPD because they wouldn’t take him. His IQ was too high.

        1. It was actually New London. As in Kelo v New London.

          Famous town for all the right reasons

      2. That’s bullshit!

    2. In other words: someone who should be exempt from civilian gun control.

    3. What are you talking about? He went home safe didn’t he? That’s really all that matters.

    4. I once ended up n the bottom side of a jack boot, courtesy of the MD State Popo for being failing to make the “next word out of my mouth” = hello on my cell phone ( turns out the battery was jammed in upside down, I learned when I got my evidence bag on my way out of the station).

      As I was pinned to the concrete, arm twisted behind me, the local representative of MD’s Finest chanted, “Stop! Resist! Stop! Resist!”

      It’s contradictory on purpose.

    5. Blame the insistence on “diversity”.
      There’s a reason these things happened with less frequency back when “racism” was more accepted and not cried every time a confrontation between people of different races occurred.
      They used to “wash out” people who showed the wrong kind of “attitude”, usually too aggressive but also too timid, but it was considered a subjective standard that could be used to deny minorities’ employment, and was dropped.
      Once they got the job, the normal employment “camaraderie” took hold and the bad ones were defended by their co-workers – it happens in almost all professions. Try to get a doctor or lawyer to rat out a fellow, who is incompetent.

  5. A man?a black man?should not lose his life for daring to exercise his Second Amendment rights.

    Black has nothing to do with this. It’s all about blue. The Prog narrative (“It’s all about racism!”) is the biggest impediment to any possibility of improving things.

    Way to go, Rico.

    1. I cringe when I see that they put race as a main reason why the guy got shot. He got shot because we have police officers who aren’t accountable for their actions and are poorly trained.

      1. Ed, I want to bear all your children.

      2. Not poorly trained, poorly vetted.
        They are trained to a high degree but if you are the type to shit your pants at the drop of a hat, that goes out the window.
        Blame the insistence on “diversity”. It has let in all manner of people, of all races, unfit to be in such pressure-induced situations.

    2. Good point. They shot some guy and let him bleed to death for no apparent reason. I really don’t care if he is black, white or purple.

      1. #agitpropmatters

      2. #BarneyLivesMatter

        1. Damn straight Barney matters!!

    3. It certainly has more to do with caste than race.

      1. Although I’d argue most Americans, and all police, don;t know the difference.

    4. Bingo. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about racism because it is something that people carry around in their heads. There absolutely is something that can be done about criminal justice reform and punishing police perpetrators of crimes. When the media makes it only about race, then people conclude that nothing can be done and forget about it in short order. It also shits all over the memory of all the others who have died to state-sanctioned thuggery who didn’t fit the narrative.

      It’s so incredibly fucked up that someone could tell a cop that they have a CCW permit and that they are currently carrying and the cop’s first response is to assume that because there’s a gun present that the civilian is a threat. The fact that someone has a CCW permit should put a cop’s mind more at ease because they had to go through more background checks and training than average. The CCW should say loudly and clearly “this person had to prove they were a law-abiding citizen before I even met him.” It’s more information than a cop might get at the outset of any traffic stop.

      1. It’s so incredibly fucked up that someone could tell a cop that they have a CCW permit and that they are currently carrying and the cop’s first response is to assume that because there’s a gun present that the civilian is a threat.

        That’s because gunz are magical totems that can cause anyone carrying one to spontaneously flip out and murder someone. Proof: the cop did exactly that. IT IS KNOWN.

        1. It is known

      2. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about racism because it is something that people carry around in their heads.

        Which is precisely the way the BLM crowd wants it. Not only do they get to draw sides, but they have a cause that can never really be responded to. Those aren’t things you want if you want to see things change. But, they’re certainly things you want if you’re trying to keep activists employed.

    5. Like you didn’t expect it from Robby.

  6. This is incredibly outrageous. How can a broken tail light lead to a death? Worse, cops killing a man in front of his family?

    1. ALL laws carry the death penalty.

      No exceptions – unless your surname is “Clinton”.

    2. Worse, cops killing a man in front of his family?

      Not simply killing a man in front of his family but panic firing without regard for the safety of the innocent.

      1. without regard for the safety of the innocent.

        I.e., everyone but the cop.

        He’ll skate like Hillary.

    3. That’s actually the libertarian argument. Everyone of those little piddling bullshit laws has the potential to end up with somebody getting killed by the cops. If you really want to help cut down on people getting killed for trivial interactions with the cops, you can start by repealing some of those BS laws.

      1. No, that’s ridiculous. The existence of piddling laws is irrelevant. You think this was seriously about a tail light? As long as there’s any law against anything?until they legalize even murder?they can accuse you of that. And if even murder is legal, they can just murder you. But at least you’d be entitled to murder them 1st.

    4. And it sounds like he was probably shot because he did what he thought was the right thing telling the cop he was armed.

      1. Part of courage is to remain calm under pressure no matter the danger it poses on you.

        These are not actions of people doing ‘a hard job’. These are the acts of incompetent cowards.

        Heroes my ass.

        While we’re at it knock it off with the hero worship at sports games and get some perspective back into the public discourse.

        1. Right on, brother.

    5. It happened to Walter Scott in SC when a cop shot hom in the back after being stopped for a broken brake light. It’s getting to be sop

  7. This one is not blowing up my news feed like the CD-seller with the criminal record and pocket carry. Too soon or is it because Castile’s hispanic and the shooter Hmong and therefore does not reconcile with the SJW narrative?

    1. Institutional racism doesn’t fill the gaps? I thought that was the line for Baltimore.

    2. I’ve seen it mentioned quite a bit. Also, one can be black and Hispanic, they aren’t mutually exclusive categories.

    3. Sorry, but why does it matter if Alton Sterling had a criminal record?

      1. Somehow a gotcha. No idea.

        1. I mean, would the cop have even known that while he was emptying his magazine into the guy’s chest?

      2. Sorry, but why does it matter if Alton Sterling had a criminal record?

        Am I working on the assumption that incarceration actually works to reform violent criminals or no?

        I mean Whitey Bulger didn’t have a criminal history when they went to arrest him. That doesn’t make walking up to him empty handed and saying, “Whitey you’re coming with us.” a good idea.

        There’s no reason to believe that the officer could or couldn’t have known/reviewed Sterling’s criminal history en route but the 911 transcripts (and possibly the officer’s arrest records) would certainly help clarify that.

        1. That doesn’t make walking up to him empty handed and saying, “Whitey you’re coming with us.” a good idea.

          Or, conversely, planning (well!) to go in ‘Condition 0/Condition Red’ wouldn’t explicitly/obviously be a bad or the least safe idea.

        2. “Am I working on the assumption that incarceration actually works to reform violent criminals or no?”

          Not sure if you’re aware of this, but shooting 6 rounds into a man’s chest and incarcerating him are 2 different things.

    4. Is there an article saying the officer is Hmong? I can’t find one.

      1. He has a Hmong name.

        It’s at least Lao.

        1. Lao != Hmong as Virginian != Algonquin.

    5. Castile’s hispanic and the shooter Hmong

      Sounds like someone was in the…

      …Hmong neighborhood.

      (We mustn’t lose our sense of humor, right?)

      1. YEEEEAAAAAAHHHH!

    6. It was blowing up Twitter early this morning, for hours. The people who were talking about it probably had to get some sleep.

      1. Or the SJW’s realized that since this guy, by all first appearances, didn’t have a criminal record that the law and order types could latch onto (because… reasons) to disparage the victim and this seems to be the kind of case that won’t generate a lot of controversy, they can’t use it to divide and conquer. It’s hard to gin up controversy when almost everyone but the worst LEO bootlickers agree that this is a bullshit shooting.

        1. ^This

          Everyone got their BLM protest on over Jamar White when he was shot in Minneapolis earlier this year. He was a felon who had just gotten out of jail and had beaten his girlfriend. He came back when the paramedics were trying to treat her and was trying to interfere with that so she didn’t testify against him and send him back in. The cops got involved and he ended up shot during a scuffle because he was going for the cops gun (DNA evidence found a bunch of his DNA on the gun).

          No one protested a bit for Chris Lollie when St Paul cops beat and tasered him for being in public.

          You can ask 99% of the Jamar White protesters about Lollie and they say “Who?”

          Sadly this is going to be more of a Chris Lollie deal where outrage goes away quickly because everyone agrees that this cop fucked up big time.

          Only chance of it flaring up again is if when the cops try to get their buddy off with a slap on the wrist.

          1. BLM is nothing but a prog front group. It doesn’t give a shit about police brutality. It exist to create racial hatred and discord. They only protest close cases or cases where the cop was likely right. They do this because they know that in a close case white people will generally side with the cop and blacks will generally side with the victim. In cases where the cop is clearly wrong, blacks and whites would be outraged defeating the entire purpose of BLM.

            1. I suspect it started out in genuine concern over police killings of black people, but it’s definitely what you say at this point.

          2. I think Lollie was either before BLM or at its infancy if I remember.

  8. “[Other officers] pulled [the officer who shot Castile] over to the side and they began to calm him down and tell him that it was okay and he would get through this,” said Reynolds during a press conference on Thursday…

    Well, they didn’t want to get shot by the jittery cop, too.

  9. Cops Comforted Philando Castile’s Killer, Told Him ‘He Would Get Through This’

    It’s your first kill, you’ll get over it and soon enough it will be as easy breathing…

    1. /what cops really think

    2. As James Gandolfini said in True Romance, “Now the first time you kill somebody, that’s the hardest. I don’t give a shit if you’re fuckin’ Wyatt Earp or Jack the Ripper. Remember that guy in Texas? The guy up in that fuckin’ tower that killed all them people? I’ll bet you green money that first little black dot he took a bead on, that was the bitch of the bunch. First one is tough, no fuckin’ foolin’. The second one… the second one ain’t no fuckin’ Mardis Gras either, but it’s better than the first one ’cause you still feel the same thing, y’know… except it’s more diluted, y’know it’s… it’s better. I threw up on the first one, you believe that? Then the third one… the third one is easy, you level right off. It’s no problem. Now… shit… now I do it just to watch their fuckin’ expression change.”

  10. “The union is dispatching passive voice counselors to the scene! Hang in there!”

    1. Counselors have been dispatched! Procedures have been followed!

  11. I’m not sure I follow the need to put your hands up when you’ve been stopped for a broken tail light. I can see that the steering wheel was on the wrong side of the car, did that maybe piss the cop off enough to make him all shooty?

    1. Never mind. For some reason every news source has the video turned around so it looks like the car is setup Europe style. Just found a video that is oriented properly.

      1. Cars are left drive in Europe too, except Britain and Ireland.

      2. I think the explanation is that the video was recorded with the selfie camera, which is why it was “flipped” in the original facebook stream. So any video you see where it’s “oriented properly” is actually the after-the-fact edit.

        1. I don’t understand. I just made two videos of the same thing on my IPhone 5C, one with the camera on the screen side, one with the camera on the “back” side. Both videos have the same, “normal” right/left sense. What am I doing wrong? I don’t believe this “selfie camera” explanation. We’re used to seeing ourselves in mirrors, which *do* reverse the image. But a selfie should make us look natural, as we appear to others, but different from our own idea of how we look in a mirror.

          Does the name, “Escher” have anything to do with the explanation above?

  12. Asked at the press conference what she’d like to say to Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton, Reynolds said, “I want Governor Mark Dayton to allow these people who are licensed to carry to have more rights. If we are able [to have a] license to carry ? then a police officer should not be able to gun a man down for no reason.”

    That’s an interesting takeaway by this woman. Of all the things wrong with that night, to focus on the carry aspect and to specifically want that addressed.

    1. It is actually quite canny. Most people seem to excuse police murdering people, but maybe they will care when it becomes about gun rights.

      1. So what you’re saying is that she engineered this whole thing and that she’s a gun nut. Kind of like a cold war on cops has been initiated. Maybe by the NRA.

        1. No, the current line on progs sites seems to be “Where’s the NRA? HUH?” which is really just a set up for if the NRA chimes in: “Why is the HRA sticking their noses into this?!?”

          1. Yeah, with what we know at this point, that doesn’t seem like it would be a winning strategy here.

          2. If he hadn’t had the gun, he would still be alive Sugar Free. This guy is just another victim of the NRA and the gun culture.

            I imagine that is going to be their spin.

            1. I’ve been on the receiving end of exactly that argument today. I quote:

              “I’d argue that this arena we’ve created by condoning gun ownership for any reason, while we cloak ourselves in the 2nd Amendment, has led to these wild west shootouts. Justifiable shooting or not.”

              Someone people will use anything to disarm us.

              1. He shouldn’t have been wearing that short skirt and makeup.

      2. It will create an interesting role reversal. Many of the “cops can do no wrong” types likely will change their tune when they find out being a CC holder can get you killed. The BLM and prog crowd who usually get angry when a cop shoots a black person will likely suddenly decide that it isn’t such a big deal when the victim is an evil gun owner.

        1. I don’t see the BLM movement needing to change its tune for this one. Do they have a stake in the gun control movement?

          1. They are nothing but a arm of the Prog cause, so yes they do.

  13. The police officer was merely extremely reckless, but not grossly negligent.

  14. The officer issued contradictory instructions to him and Reynolds, asking them to both provide license and registration while keeping their hands in the air.

    IOW, procedures were followed.

    Castile informed the officer that he was carrying a firearm, and reached for his wallet to produce his permit. The officer then opened fire.

    The sad thing is, I’ve been told that the thing to do if carrying a weapon when stopped by a cop, is to tell them you have a weapon so that they DON’T freak out and summarily execute you when/ if they see it. Seems like you’re pretty much damned if you do, damned if you don’t. It’s almost like maybe they’re trying to make exercising your right to arm yourself for self defense purposes an instant death sentence if you encounter one of these sociopaths. Almost…

    1. Seems like you’re pretty much damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

      Basically.

      I’m still getting my CC later this month. No power in the ‘verse can stop me.

    2. It’s almost like maybe they’re trying to make exercising your right to arm yourself for self defense purposes an instant death sentence if you encounter one of these sociopaths.

      That’s exactly what it is. Remember that every cop out there is itching for an excuse to kill you. If they see a weapon then they have an excuse. They will open fire. Doesn’t matter if you have a permit, because they’ll just fill out a false report. And nothing else will happen.

      1. How come Reason doesn’t offer a “thumbs up” option in the comment section?

  15. The St. Anthony Police Department, the law enforcement agency that employs the officer who killed Castile, has not released a detailed account of what occurred Wednesday night. In a brief statement issued Wednesday night, the police department said “shots were fired” during the traffic stop and that “one adult male … is deceased.”

    I don’t know how big St. Anthony is, but I’m guessing its police department is in waaaaaaaay over its head on this. If they even have a hint right now of the shitstorm coming, I’d be impressed.

    1. Whaddaya mean over its head? They got the passive voice 100% correct on this. Shows they’ve been properly trained.

      1. They didn’t even attempt to destroy the video evidence, so either they’re savvy enough to have realized it was being live streamed or so unsophisticated as to not know to even try.

        1. either they’re savvy enough to have realized it was being live streamed or so unsophisticated as to not know to even try.

          My guess would be the latter. I’ve never credited these ‘roid monkeys with an over abundance of intelligence.

    2. I don’t know how big St. Anthony is

      Their center has like 2″ on Ignatius, but their forwards are outclassed by Immaculate Heart of Mary.

      1. See? Col. Chestbridge knows how to be helpful. That’s why you’ll never advance past captain.

    3. St. Anthony is pretty small.

      1. And Falcon Heights is even smaller. It’s nothing but a golf course, UofM ag fields, a strip mall and some residences.

  16. Why is this making me think of the John Belushi gag on the old SNL where he ran a rape hotline?

    “Almost invariably, a man is very upset after he’s committed a rape, and we give the rapist an opportunity to talk to someone who understands what he’s gone through.”

    1. STEVE SMITH WORK THAT HOTLINE ONE SUMMER.

    2. We lost the wrong Belushi.

      1. If only Jim could have followed his brother’s fine example…

  17. A man?a black man?should not lose his life for daring to exercise his Second Amendment rights.

    Considering he merely declared himself to be armed and was retrieving requested documentation or documentation to that effect, I’d say he was killed for exercising his First Amendment Rights.

    1. Not sure what the law says in Minnesota, but in a lot of states you have to tell a cop who stops you if you have a gun.
      So it might be fair to say that he was killed for complying with both the law and the requests of the police.

      1. I don’t think you have to say anything sbout a CnC in this state.

  18. Cops Comforted Philando Castile’s Killer, Told Him ‘He Would Get Through This’

    That is what co-workers say when someone “done fucked up good”.

    It comes off sort of stupid in the headline, as though it were supposed to be as egregious as “hey, good kill bro”

    1. What makes it really egregious is that they were telling him that while no one provided aid to the man bleeding to death in the car. Sure, that’s what they are going to say to him and it’s not the worst thing in the world. But they had more concern for that asshole’s feelings than the life of the guy who got shot.

      1. they had more concern for that asshole’s feelings than the life of the guy who got shot.

        cop /= little people.

  19. This is a horrible thing to say, but I expect I’ll be proven right.

    The fact that this man had a concealed carry permit will relegate this case to being uninteresting to the media and this story will be buried quickly.

    1. The fact that this man had a concealed carry permit will relegate this case to being uninteresting to the media and this story will be buried quickly.

      Well, every story is buried quickly under the new “Cause for Outrage”. I think this will get a least a weekend of rumination about how “guns cause all conflict” and this BLACK MAN* is dead because of the NRA convincing people they should play Cowboy.

      they will blame the “mindset” perpetuated by gunowners for the death of this individual. Think pieces will be written, tweets will be tweeted, and each side will stew in self-righteousness. Then something else will come along and everyone will forget this ever happened.

    2. I bet it will be used to show how concealed carry permits are terrible because they cause the police to kill people. After all, he’d be alive if he hadn’t had a permit.

      1. This.

        “He was killed by ‘Gun Culture’… this is all the NRA’s fault…” /progtard

  20. Every time I see one of these cases, i wonder why the assclown involved was a cop in the first place. You don’t pump six rounds into some guy because you are thinking clearly. You do it because you are scared out of your mind and completely panic. Who on earth would want to have a job where you go to work terrified every day?

    1. I dunno, some erotic bondage worker person?

      A hooker is more likely to get killed on the job than a cop, I expect.

      1. Sure, but the hooker has all the normal dangers, and then a mini-dick in a uniform comes up demanding a sample blow-job, and she has to remember not to laugh.

    2. Who on earth would want to have a job where you go to work terrified every day?

      They aren’t terrified every day. Just the days when someone doesn’t immediately obey contradictory commands. But then again the point of issuing contradictory commands is to have an excuse to use deadly force. That’s why most people sign up to be cops, you know. To kill people. Find a bar where cops hang out after work and listen to their drunk-talk. It’s all about wanting to kill people, and looking up to those cops who have had the opportunity. The killers are the heroes of the department.

      1. You are wrong. They are terrified. This guy didn’t do this calmly. He did it because he was terrified and thought Castille was going to kill him. If he was some psycho killer, he would have killed someone who was alone where there were no witnesses not done it in front of his girlfriend.

        And their drunk talk is a lot of bullshit. Those dumb motherfuckers would piss their pants when confronted with actual danger. you are confusing bravado with reality.

        1. Those dumb motherfuckers would piss their pants when confronted with actual danger

          Why do think they always go after petty criminals and low level drug offenders? It’s so they can feel big and bad while not actually having to put themselves in danger.

          1. Look at how the the cops treat a stolen car, versus how they treat some kid with a dimebag or driving with an expired tag. When an actual crime happens, they will get around to it in an hour so to take a statement, and if you’re lucky, they will find find some dumbass car thief in a few months. Drive around with an expired tag or expired taillight, and the cops are all over your ass. Actual criminals are scary.

            1. Or how they stand around and do nothing but wait to clean up the bodies during a mass shooting.

            2. My car got broken into once. They took my statement over the phone and gave me a report number to give my insurance company. Couldn’t even be bothered to send someone out. Useless lazy fucks…

            3. there’s no “war on stolen cars” to puff their chests over as there is with the evil scourge of drugs. At some point, sane people have to question those who pass all the laws cops are then charged with enforcing. When you maximize the contact between officer and citizen, you also raise the odds that one of those encounters will go wrong.

              This stop? Busted tail light. Eric Garner? Loose cigarettes. How many others stem from things better ignored.

              1. The problem is that finding stolen cars doesn’t help the budget, but speeding fines and busted taillights do. No cop is getting paid time and a half busting a car thieves, but busted taillights are *Ka-Ching*. Take the traffic fines, and dump them into a general state education fund and watch all the speed traps disappear.

        2. “sarcasmic” thinks he knows all about what cops are like because he overheard them spouting bullshit one night in the bar he worked at.
          These are macho young men, who talk big, when away from the job, but are completely different when they are on duty. I know, I was one.
          There are no more “psycopaths” in police work than in any other field, and they used to be weeded out, to the best of the departments’ abilities, until it became “racist” to cull future officers because they had a bad attitude. The use of such a subjective criterion was halted, and we get the types you see on the street, today, and it is frequently the white cops that slip by that old standard.

      2. There are extremely few legitimate psychopaths in the world; I don’t think this cop intended to kill somebody last night.

        But he was definitely terrified of a routine “broken tail light” traffic stop. He issued the contradictory commands because he was scared and not thinking clearly. The victim pointing out he had a gun — probably thinking the cop wouldn’t be surprised if it was discovered — only heightened the terror.

        1. he was definitely terrified of a routine “broken tail light” traffic stop

          Probably thanks in no small part to all the “War on Cops” horseshit. If I was convinced through training and propaganda that anyone I encounter on any given day may try to kill me at any moment, I’d probably be a little jumpy too.

          1. Thinking you are in danger is a way to feel important. There is a whole lot of that going on.

        2. Pretty much Joe. The entire culture is fucked up and out of control.

          1. We should probably just drop the concept of professional police and rely on the militia to maintain order. Keep detectives around in the employee of the prosecutors, but acknowledge that they are only there to clean up messes.

        3. There are extremely few legitimate psychopaths in the world

          But the ones that do exist are all attracted to authoritarian jobs.

          I don’t think this cop intended to kill somebody last night.

          He certainly had the intent within him, else he wouldn’t have wanted to take a gun-toting job. Just because he keeps his intent in check 99% of the time is no reason to assume the intent isn’t there.

        4. “I don’t think this cop intended to kill somebody last night.” Allow me to disagree: When you point a gun at someone and repeatedly pull the trigger, and then make no effort to save the life, I’d say you intended to kill someone!

      3. They aren’t terrified every day.

        Just four or five moments. (SPOILER ALERT!)

    3. You pump six rounds in because once the first one is fired you have to make sure he’s dead and cannot testify.

      Almost the same reason that if there are multiple cops and one fires, the rest fire to make it hard to determine which one fired first.

      1. They are not that sophisticated. They are panicked apes. Once they start shooting, they all panic and just keep pulling the trigger. What they do is panic. It is not what disciplined fire looks like.

        1. He shot into a car with a passenger and a 4 yr old girl in back seat.
          While he missed the girlfriend and the 4 yr old, he did hit he perp at least 50% of the time.

          That’s not disciplined fire?

          1. No. It is being lucky and completely irresponsible.

    4. Why do you assume he panicked? It’s more likely that he’s a fucking psychopath looking for any excuse to kill people that he doesn’t like at that particular moment.

  21. Addiction J Myth is calling for a total and complete shutdown of police academies until our representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

    1. Considering that we have way too many cops in this country and many of the cops we do have are utterly unsuited for the job, I think a national moratorium on the hiring of additional law enforcement is a pretty reasonable idea. Lets sort out the mess we have right now before we bring in more cops and risk making it worse.

      1. But we can keep bombing ISIS, right?

        1. What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

          1. I’ll take that as a “yes”. (Whew.)

            1. I’ll take that as you are a moron.

              1. Forget it, John. It’s Tulpa town.

          2. He’s a retard troll?

        2. Sure. We can even have these killer-cops pushing the Fire button on the drones at the ISIS wedding party.
          I understand normal pilots feel funny about killing the innocent kids, but these guys should do fine.

    2. Bankruptcy for Dunkin Donuts!

  22. He wasn’t even exercising his 2nd Amendment rights. He was merely informing the police that he possessed a weapon so that, in the event he is searched (because, you know, driving while black), there wouldn’t be a misinterpretation and he’d end up dead.

    1. And that is what got him killed. I hate to say it but the answer to this situation is he should have put the gun in the center console of the car and never told the cop a damned thing. Had he done that, the cop would have probably just written him a ticket and that would have been it.

      The lesson of this incident is sadly the same as it is for all of these things; deal with the police as little as possible and tell them as little as possible when you have to.

      1. My aunt is a CC holder and she was telling me that they teach you to tell any cop that you run into about your license and if you have a weapon on you.

        She said she has had one encounter where the cop thanked her and asked her where in the car it was and then just went on with the traffic stop. She also said she had a traffic stop where the cop got real tense and nervous and scared her. That cop made her exit the car and then “secured” the weapon before he gave her a speeding ticket.

        I’ll have to ask her what she thinks now.

        But like someone said above, the very fact that you have a CC should make you much more relaxed if you are a cop because we train/background check the shit out of our CC holders in Minnesoda. If you have one, you are much more law abiding than the gen pop.

        1. Saying you have a CC does not mean you have one. From what you say *should* be, if a criminal wanted a cop to relax, he’d just claim to have a CC even though he doesn’t.

          1. Yep. And most police are trained not to believe anything anyone tells them.

    2. As I stated above, you’re damned if do, damned if you don’t.

      If you don’t inform the cop that you’re armed and he sees it, either during a search or while you’re trying to get your wallet out:

      *panic fire until the magazine is empty* “Good shoot… you’ll get over it…”

      If you do, then it’s

      *panic fire until the magazine is empty* “Good shoot… you’ll get over it…”

  23. Isn’t this guy the passenger? Why was he being asked for ID? It’s a license to drive, not sit in a car.

    1. He was the driver. The original video was apparently mirrored.

    2. Papiere, bitte?

    3. Because it was a profile stop. In all of my life as a respectable white person, I have never seen a passenger in a pulled over car asked for their ID. He pulled them over because they were black. He figured he would search them, use the “within reach” exception to look through the driver and passenger areas of the car and run their names and see if he got lucky and found drugs or an outstanding warrant or if nothing else write a ticket to meet his quota for the month.

      1. When I was younger, my buddy and I were driving back from salmon fishing in Kewaunee, WI and in Green Bay got pulled over by a cop. Somehow the cop managed to pick us out of a pack of cars as the only ones worth writing a ticket for (hint we had MN plates).

        The cop looked like he was 14 years old. It was so tempting to ask him if his momma knew he was playing cop today.

        He asked my buddy – the passenger – for his ID too. One of those situations where we weren’t sure if it was legal or not, and we also knew that if we refused Officer Fuckhead was going to keep us there for hours while he fucked with us. So my buddy gave his ID over and we got the ticket.

        But yeah, we were youngish but we still probably qualified as respectable white folk.

        1. It does happen but not often.

          1. When I moved to the city, my friends warned me that if I handed my drivers license over, they could cutoff the corner of it and thereby nullifying the license.

        2. I’ve had the same experience.

        3. You don’t show ID unless the cop has reasonable cause to believe you have committed a crime…..and never, ever say anything to a cop unless it’s “I’m gonna remain silent”!

          1. Laws change based on what state you are in.
            What’s so hard about letting the cop know who you are?
            Being uncooperative is a sure-fire way to get the worst treatment, possible.
            Being cooperative is the best way to get things over with, quickly.
            It is, really, as simple as that.

  24. I’m thinking about starting a GoFundMe to develop taillights made out of bulletproof glass and hardwired with LED lights and a redundant power system. This thing could save lives and would be very popular with minorities as aftermarket car accessories.

    1. I’ve heard from some indications that the tail light wasn’t even out. It doesn’t matter, if the cop says it was out they’ll be believed.

      1. The cop can just make it up. One of the best things we could do in this country would be to get rid of moving violations altogether. I would even agree to speed cameras if it came with saying cops no longer had the authority to pull someone over for a traffic violation.

        All they are is an excuse for cops to abuse their authority.

        1. “Crossing the fog line” was the all purpose excuse they used when I was a kid.

          No way you can prove you didn’t swerve over a line at some point.

  25. Assuming Reynolds’ account is accurate, such utter lack of empathy on the part of law enforcement?during and after the shooting?is a grave concern.

    Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Somebody has not been paying attention. Robocop Rape Counseling is more empathetic that your average cop.

    Robby, I recommend you look up Balko and have him give you a shot in the yarbles. If you got any yarbles.

  26. Philadelphia 76ers player Richaun Holmes, on Twitter, making a point that I hadn’t thought of myself, but is a damn good one:

    Rich Holmes ?@Rich_Holmes22 22m22 minutes ago
    Sick world we live in when more people are outraged and want justice for a gorilla than a black man gunned down by those meant to protect

    1. He can’t play pro ball for shit, but:
      “Kaepernick after 2nd police shooting: ‘We are under attack'”
      http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/…..345932.php

  27. Mark Dayton: Minnesota Governor Asks for Justice Department to Investigate Philando Castile Shooting

    Dayton said Thursday he asked the White House for a federal review of Castile’s death. Castile was fatally shot by a police officer Wednesday night during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights, Minn.

    1. He must have had an aide make the call.

      For those of you who aren’t blessed enough to listen to Gov. Mumbles regularly, you should know that he talks like he has a load on. He makes Obama look like a great extemporaneous orator.

      If Dayton had called the Whitehouse himself, I’m sure the switchboard operator would have told him to go home and sleep it off and stop calling.

  28. Mistakes were made buried.

  29. Sick world we live in when more people are outraged and want justice for a gorilla than a black man gunned down by those meant to protect

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  30. Simple solution to all of this. Stop using cops as revenue collectors. Get rid of all the bullshit minor infractions designed to steal money from the people and you eliminate a good chunk of the police interactions, thus lowering the chances of being shot.

  31. Why is the cop so upset? Now, he can get the obligatory teardrop tattoo on his face, wear it with pride, and be the envy of law enforcement wherever he goes. A special club, it is!

    1. Its obvious this cop and the Baton Rouge trigger man gets in the club, but does the partner that held the guy down and yelled “Gun” get nominated for an assist.

  32. RE: Witness: Cops Comforted Philando Castile’s Killer, Told Him ‘He Would Get Through This’

    The officer definitely had considerable reasons to shoot this wild animal to death. First, a broken tail light is certain indication the driver has clear intent on murdering dozens of people when he gets out of the car. Studies by the FBI, CIA, DEA, etc have shown this to be true for decades.
    Secondly, there is nothing wrong with issuing contradictory instructions by our beloved police officials. They have trained hard for months, if not years, to do this as to ensure their safety, their partner’s safety and the safety of the proletariat. Having a suspect go through rigorous, meaningless and really stupid drills is the best way to make sure the suspect will do as his told when he is told.
    Thirdly, ordering the suspect to keep his hands in the air and simultaneously give his license and registration is an easy task. A two year old could do this in his sleep. So why couldn’t the suspect, a grown man no less, do this simple task?
    Lastly, we all know criminals always carry their firearms in their wallets. It is the perfect place to conceal a gun. One only has to examine the statistical evidence of how many cops get shot daily when violent criminals reach into their wallets and shoot police officers.
    There can be no doubt this is a “good shooting,” and the wise and brave police officer will be exhonerated. (SP)
    God Bless Amerika.

    1. You forgot to blame the NRA

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