Kurt Loder Movie Reviews

Movie Review: Independence Day: Resurgence

Make it stop.


Independence Day
20th Century Fox

It's hard to say what's worse about this movie: its shoddiness, which is abundant, or its cynicism, which is no real surprise in a "sequel" slapped together 20 years after the picture whose enduring popularity it seeks to exploit. Hard to say, and hard to sit through.

Problem number one with Independence Day: Resurgence is Will Smith. He's not here. Smith's fighter pilot Steven Hiller was the heart of the original film, but the actor took a pass on returning for another paycheck, presumably in order to make the upcoming Suicide Squad—a movie whose trailer is more entertaining than anything in this bloated spectacle.

A number of other actors in the original film were happy to reenlist. Jeff Goldblum's nerdy science guy David Levinson is on hand to sense something weird going on out in space again. Judd Hirsch is back as David's bumbling father, Julius, now mainly an annoyance. Bill Pullman's Thomas Whitmore, the former U.S. president, currently residing in an old-age home, is here to also sense that something new is up, alien-wise; and so is Brent Spiner's long-haired Area 51 science guy, Dr. Brakish Okun, who's just snapped out of a 20-year coma and is ready to let rip with some ferocious overacting.

A key cog in the movie's shameless market calculation is Vivica A. Fox, who played Steven Hiller's girlfriend in the original film and is now the widowed mother of his heroic stepson, Dylan (Jessie T. Usher), a fighter pilot just like his dad. This allows the introduction of a raft of other young stars, chief among them fellow pilots Liam Hemsworth (of the Hunger Games movies), Travis Tope, Nicolas Wright, the appealing Maika Monroe (whose character is also Whitmore's daughter), and Hong Kong actress Angelababy (of whom we might have been happy to see a bit more).

It's clear what's going on here. The vintage stars have been roped in as a lifeline to a beloved old movie; the new kids are present to signal the launch of a long-delayed Independence Day franchise. (Roland Emmerich, who directed both the first movie and this one, is already talking it up.) Unfortunately, the new actors aren't especially compelling—their characters are generic, and they're boxed in by the sprawling plot, in which too much stuff is happening to too many people in too many places, and very little of it is interesting.

It's hard to imagine that Emmerich and his four co-writers spent more than a couple of afternoons coming up with the story here. Briefly: the aliens are back. But they're different aliens, bigger, badder. The movie traffics boldly in sci-fi cliché, and so these aliens are galactic marauders, plundering the natural resources of one planet after another and then moving along. They also have a queen onboard (a bit of a lift from Aliens).

Down below, Earthlings are growing increasingly alarmed. There are "power surges" at an international moon base; and at Area 51, out in the Nevada desert, the captive aliens who've been hibernating there for the past two decades have suddenly sprung back to life, sensing impending rescue. ("They're celebrating!" says one human.)

Meanwhile, in Africa, a rebel leader named Umbutu (Deobia Oparei) is dropping some mad science on Goldblum's David Levinson: Umbutu is a survivor of the 1996 invasion, and he has learned how to decipher the aliens' language. Very handy. There's also a boat filled with drunken salvage merchants out on the high seas, but you don't really need to know what they're up to.

After directing the original Independence Day, Emmerich inflated his reputation as a master of CGI destruction with films like Godzilla, 2012, and The Day After Tomorrow. Here he does what he always does all over again, but really, the thrill is gone. Skyscrapers topple, tidal waves heave and roll, and whole populations are sucked up into the sky. When in doubt, Emmerich gives us mighty explosions, raging fires, choking smoke, more explosions, more fire, etc. Once upon a time this sort of thing was pretty exciting. Now it's just sci-fi S.O.P. And Emmerich is no longer getting better at it, either: some of the visual effects in this movie are woefully shopworn.

I think we can pass over the film's dialogue, which is strictly utilitarian. Some of it, though, cries out to be quoted:

"It's gonna crack the planet in half!"

"They're after our molten core!"

"Make them pay!"  

Independence Day: Resurgence opened with midnight screenings on Thursday night. I saw it in a theater in Times Square. There were about 25 other people in attendance. The movie will surely do big business in its maiden weekend, but nostalgia will only carry it so far. And word-of-mouth isn't likely to help.     

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  1. “Today we celebrate OUR Independence Day!”

    -Bill Pullman as the UKIP Leader

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  2. They’re not going to stop until they’ve made a bad remake of, or bad sequel to, every good movie ever made.

    1. Then they’ll do remakes and sequels to the bad movies.

      Then they’ll do movie versions of every comic book in history, including Bazooka Joe.

      Anything rather than come up with something original.

      1. I spoke too soon…

        “[Michael Eisner’s] plans for a Bazooka Joe film, announced in 2009, have yet to come to fruition.”

          1. I’d pay to see that.

      2. ID was a horrid movie, that shouldn’t have been made in the first place. Just as bad as ‘Ferris Bueler vs Godzilla’.

        1. Hahaha, my soon to be 4 year old LOVES Godzilla. Even he thinks that one is terrible.

        2. I agree- I remember how bad and disappointed I was with ID4. Over time, it has mellowed a little, but at the time, watching Will Smith scream “Oh you did not shoot that green shit at me!” made me cringe.

          And sad thing is that ID4 is probably the best Emerich has ever offered.

          1. I loved it when it came out, but I was 14 and pretty much loved all the summer blockbusters.

            1. At the end of the day, that is pretty much the story. The things we are exposed to as youngsters is fresh, new and golden- that is a reflection of us being fresh and new, not the movies. I have tried watching many of the movies that I adored as a kid, and very few of them hold up.

              By the time ID4 came out I was in my early 20s- and it was nothing new or fresh- other than the spectacular CGI disaster porn. More than anything, I think my reaction to it was disappointment that I wasn’t getting the “This is new and fresh” feeling that I had remembered in my teenage years. That 4 or 5 years of films had a lot of disappointments for me- Starship Troopers, ID4 and others.

              1. “Starship Troopers disappointed me” – should have opened with this so we could skip the rest of your posts with confidence and gusto.

        3. I don’t know, out of the available options I think that version of Godzilla is actually his best film. Mostly just because it was so bad it was actually kind of good in an unintentional way.

          1. The part where he tried to work in 1) Jurassic Park with the “raptor” baby godzillas and 2) French being military badasses was a perfect example of unintentional awesome.

      3. Not that I’m especially fond of Hollywood, but consider;

        Every DRACULA, going back to Bela Lugosi is a remake. So is every FRANKENSTEIN back to Boris. Heston’s BEN HUR is a remake.

        Furthermore, some sequels are as good as or better than the original. THE PINK PANTHER is great, and after a point the franchise took the Clouseau character and drive it into the ground. But RETURN OF THE PINK PANTHER is hysterical.

        When Hollywood tries to be consciously original, the result is often drivel. When they try to adapt comic books sometimes you get THE AVENGERS and sometimes you get BATMAN AND ROBIN.

        Schofield’s Law of Popular Culture; We remember the popular culture of eras past so fondly because, mercifully, we don’t actually remember that MUCH of it.

        Yes, THE BIG SLEEP of 1946 was a terrific film; an example of the studio system at its best. We have forgotten (thank God) most of the real dogerinos that came out in 1946.

    2. Independence Day was a good movie? This is just an even worse remake of a bad movie – we are in a death spiral of bad remakes.

    3. When they went they went after The Manchurian Candidate, it was clear nothing was sacred anymore. They are not going to stop, EVER.

      1. I can’t wait for Lawrence of Arabia to updated with some idiot SJW ISIS sympathizer as Lawrence.

        1. Patton as a transgendered peace maker saving Jews and making peace all over Europe.

          1. Don’t forget that a timely breakup is the only thing that saved us from this obscenity:

            What would J. Lo and Ben’s ”Casablanca” look like?

            1. The horror…. the horror…..


          2. Just saw the trailer for the new Pete’s Dragon. Worse than a remake.

            It’s in the mountains, not on the coast, so no lighthouse.
            Pete is 6, and he’s not fleeing foster parents, he was raised in the wilderness a la Tarzan or Mowgli.

            So despite the title and a CGI dragon, it isn’t really “Pete’s Dragon.”

            Add to the list the new Jungle Book and Tarzan.

            1. Add “Pete’s Dragon” to the list of movies that are terrible but I enjoyed when I was 12. Didn’t love it, but thought the effects were amazing. Yes kids, there was a time when a 7th grade kid could be amazed by cartoons drawn in to real life scenes.

  3. I may be incorrect here, yet it is my impression that this Loder fellow did not find much merit in the movie which he reviewed.

  4. “They’re after our molten core!”

    “Fuckin Torbjorns, there’s no escape! ”

    Alternative response: “There 40 of them, and they’ve been bashing their head against the wall in there for ten hours. Are they really a threat?”

    1. Smug bastard gets the last laugh when he gets play of the game while afk.

      1. I wish he was AFK. Nope, POTG while he’s running back from the spawn but his turret gets a triple kill because Reinhardt is shielding it.

        1. Look, guys.

          This is the penultimate, and most defining Torbjorn PotG.

          THIS is the best Torbjorn POTG of all time.

  5. Loder? I don’t even know her….

    **picks teeth**

  6. Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. “Mankind.” That word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can’t be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it’s fate that today is the Fourth of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom… Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution… but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: “We will not go quietly into the night!” We will not vanish without a fight! We’re going to live on! We’re going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!

    1. I used to think this was a way overrated speech. That’s because I was an idiot. I got (a little) better.

      1. They filched it from Churchill, who filched it from Dylan Thomas.

        Rage, rage against the dying of the light!

        1. Somethin, somethin… St Crispian’s Day.

          We few, we happy few, we band of brothers:

          1. Prettiest man I ever did see.

    2. Awwww, no. I’m not sharing the 4th with a bunch of unwashed non-Americans. They can go find their own fucking day.

    3. Men, all this stuff you hear about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of bullshit. Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. The very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Battle is the most significant competition in which a man can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base.

      1. When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a Boche will get him eventually. The hell with that. My men don’t dig foxholes. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. We’ll win this war, but we’ll win it only by fighting and showing the Germans that we’ve got more guts than they have or ever will have. We’re not just going to shoot the bastards, we’re going to rip out their living goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket.

        Some of you men are wondering whether or not you’ll chicken out under fire. Don’t worry about it. I can assure you that you’ll all do your duty. War is a bloody business, a killing business. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them, spill their blood or they will spill yours. Shoot them in the guts. Rip open their belly. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt from your face and you realize that it’s not dirt, it’s the blood and gut of what was once your best friend, you’ll know what to do.

        1. Don’t forget, you don’t know I’m here at all. No word of that fact is to be mentioned in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell they did with me. I’m not supposed to be commanding this army. I’m not even supposed to be in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the goddamned Germans. Some day, I want them to rise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl ‘Ach! It’s the goddamned Third Army and that son-of-a-bitch Patton again!’

          Then there’s one thing you men will be able to say when this war is over and you get back home. Thirty years from now when you’re sitting by your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks, ‘What did you do in the great World War Two?’ You won’t have to cough and say, ‘Well, your granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.’ No sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say ‘Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and a son-of-a-goddamned-bitch named George Patton!’

          All right, you sons of bitches. You know how I feel. I’ll be proud to lead you wonderful guys in battle anytime, anywhere. That’s all.

      2. I don’t want any messages saying ‘I’m holding my position.’ We’re not holding a goddamned thing. We’re advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding anything except the enemy’s balls. We’re going to hold him by his balls and we’re going to kick him in the ass; twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all the time. Our plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We’re going to go through the enemy like shit through a tinhorn.

        There will be some complaints that we’re pushing our people too hard. I don’t give a damn about such complaints. I believe that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder we push, the more Germans we kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing harder means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that. My men don’t surrender. I don’t want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he is hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight. That’s not just bullshit either. I want men like the lieutenant in Libya who, with a Luger against his chest, swept aside the gun with his hand, jerked his helmet off with the other and busted the hell out of the Boche with the helmet. Then he picked up the gun and he killed another German. All this time the man had a bullet through his lung. That’s a man for you!

  7. Meanwhile, in Africa, a rebel leader named Umbutu

    A computer expert once told me I should switch to Umbutu, but it wouldn’t recognize my wireless adapter.

    1. It’s really the perfect name for an African warlord who’s also apparently a big enough geek to decipher alien languages.

  8. In fairness, trailers are generally better than most movies.

    1. fact check: true. There’s one Age of Ultron trailer that was very good and set a great tone (especially with regard to Ultron).

      In the actual movie, they made Ultron a wise cracking robot who wasn’t all that interesting and/or threatening.

      1. Rebuttal: Your face is an idiot.

        1. There are no strings on Fist.

        2. true

  9. the appealing Maika Monroe

    That reminds me, have I mentioned that It Follows is possibly the most overrated horror movie from the past couple decades?

    1. Is it? I had that on my wish list 🙁

      If only because I like the guy who did the music.

      1. I liked It Follows. It’s a slow burn, more atmospheric horror.

        1. Among recent horror movies that got a fair amount of hype, I liked The Babadook and The Witch (AKA The VVitch) better.

          For lesser known ones, Starry Eyes and Last Shift were also more enjoyable to me.

    2. Most over rated horror movie of all time: Rosemary’s Baby.

      1. I know I’ve seen The Exorcist, but I don’t think I ever saw Rosemary’s Baby.

        My vote for most overrated ever is John Carpenter’s Halloween.

    3. Even more overrated than The Blair Witch Project was when it first came out?

  10. the picture whose enduring popularity it seeks to exploit

    Good god, really? Saw it once and promptly forgot about it. If it’s some kind of cult classic that’s news to me.

    1. It’s not bad, so in today’s metrics it’s a classic.

    2. The original stunk, but it’s run on AMC and TBS quite often. It’s part of my cynicism that has developed nicely over the last few decades that people are getting more and more moronic as the years go by.

      I’ve always thought that the movie was made to appeal to the low-brow patriotic crowd by those for whom the whole thing was tongue-in-cheek. It all seemed to be a bit of a put on. Sort of like if Rob Reiner tried to make a “real” patriotic movie – there’d just be the inability to really pitch it just so. Like a straight guy trying to make chick movie for the Lifetime Network. You can have all the pastel colors and flowers and overstuffed couches and commiserating-with-ice-cream-out-of-the-container scenes, but there’d be just enough hetero-male out-of-touchness to make the whole thing false. Perhaps a topless pillow fight after all the ice cream…

      In short, we needed a sequel to the first movie like we need a sequel to Con Air. That’s another movie that seems to get altogether too much replay.

      1. The problem is that sometime in the 1990s or maybe a bit before, Hollywood stopped being earnest in any way and decided that every movie had to have this hipster ironic cynicism about it. The reason why the first movie fails is as you point out no one in the movie seems to actually believe what they are saying and doing. It is all just a cynical put on. And that makes for terrible story telling. What Hollywood thinks of as “real and nuanced” is in fact just fake and cynical.

        1. Hollywood? Earnest? Pardon me while I laugh myself to death.

          You want earnest, go watch independent movies or something. Hollywood has never been about anything other than money, hookers, and a tremendous amount of blow.

          1. Independent movies are where the cynical poser bullshit came from. And yeah, Hollywood is about money. You know what that is called? Making a product people want to see. And earnestness sells.

            1. It would seem that James Cameron and Michael Bay disagree with you. You’ll find shit in every category of film, but it depends what you like more. Big budget movies aimed at general audiences with generally thin plots but amazing special effects or independent movies that are incredibly hit or miss but occasionally are amazing films.

              It’s literally the difference between ‘Outsourced’ the movie, and ‘Outsourced’ the TV show. Not that hard. That being said, I don’t think Hollywood has ever been anything except a high revenue business that moonlights as propaganda.

              Frankly, that writers strike a decade or so ago just absolutely cut the nuts off movies for years. Only now are we starting to really see some creative direction again, and even then it’s mostly because Disney fully owns a few of the brightest directors around and is working them to death to feed the monster.

              Everything has been done before, is the thing. There are only 1-37 or so possible plots depending on definition. So the ‘creative’ part is making you buy the same shit and like it.

          2. Compare the movies of the 90s to the movies of the 80s. The difference is the Cold War.

            Great Sci-Fi like Terminator where we are all doomed, we just don’t know it and we can only do our best to survive. That was earnest. Even in Hollywood they had to internalize the fact that in the grand scheme of things, the best they could do even to get a happy ending was to mark it as a personal victory inside a greater tragedy.

            Flash forward to the 90s when we had beaten the Soviets, and now everyone has hope. No more over-arching enemy, and so more than ever the enemy became us. Horror movies became less about some unstoppable monster slowly chewing through a cast of beauties- but rather about some terror, and how ultimately what does most people in is our in fighting.

            Terminator II re-wrote the original gestalt of pervading doom to instead become “No Fate but what we make”. ID4 became less about a world coming together to fight evil, but rather individual Top Men saving us from ourselves. Emerich internalized this. On its face, ID4 was a patriotic trope, but it was undermined by Emerich’s self loathing for humanity. That is why he has the Americans cynically nuke Dallas to stop the aliens (even though they could have tried nuking the alien ship in transit to another big city). That is why most of the story is actually the infighting between Reagan-era hacks and people who want to save the world from resource exploitation.

            1. Emerich is the king of that anti-american cynicism. From the Day After Tomorrow, where he shoehorns in climate change and Bush/Cheney-esque villains to an otherwise decent natural disaster film. Godzilla where a couple plucky idealists have to fight conspiracies of French cover-up artists and American government incompetence.

              Emerich is a wonderful mirror of Prog Hollywood Fantasy. This idea that if we could just get past our backwards institutions and let Top Men (The Climatoligist, the Journalist, the Computer Expert, etc) fix things, all our troubles will be over. In the end, his cynicism of many large institutions is good, but his trust in others to make decisions on our behalf to make a happy ending always tends to ruin the movies for me. Shrug.

        2. I would agree, just like with the music.

          Though, where you and I might part ways, is I see – now – how much Hollywood has always “shined on” with the memes for the public. I can’t really watch a John Wayne movie anymore without getting a whiff of agenda within it. Even the old “dough boy” comedies come with a twist of propaganda to them. The 70’s might have been the high point of digging the “establishment” as it was before it became what it is. That time frame between the claustrophobic 50’s/early 60’s of the establishment right-puritanism to the mid-90’s to today’s establishment left-puritanism.

          1. You are not watching the right John Wayne movies. The good Wayne movies are pretty real and interesting. Red River is a hell of a movie. So is of course The Searchers and Rio Lobo. Even the campier ones are still fun and worth watching. I would take Hatari or McClintok over the shit they are making today.

            The biggest failure with today’s movies is how badly the dialog has been dumbed down. If you really want to depress yourself watch Animal House sometime. It is a fun and very funny movie. What is depressing about it is that it was at the time a gross out teen comedy. Yet, by today’s standards the dialog in it sounds like Shakespeare. That movie has more smart lines and interesting dialog than any ten movies made today. And it was a slapstick comedy. Movies are so bad today, they don’t even measure up to a well made piece of slapstick 35 years ago.

    3. Yeah, it’s not campy enough to be a cult classic nor is it competent enough to be a regular classic.

      It was a summer blockbuster back when they were intended to be forgotten. In the late 90’s everything didn’t need to be a trilogy. Now they’re desperately mining the past for anything marketable.

      That doesn’t mean there aren’t Directors that do great stuff today though, even with rehashed reboots. Movies aren’t dead by a long shot. This type of film is intended for two things: bleed foreign markets for cash and separate teenagers from their allowance.

      No one gives much of a shit about the American market by itself anymore. This is just another proof of that.

  11. Will Smith is so bad, I expect him to be the worst part of Suicide Squad, which otherwise might be an impossible movie to fuck up.

    1. Just for that, he’s going to put his kid in it now.

  12. I hated the first one, it would take $1M, a pound of coke, and 72 virgins to get me to see this.

    A penny, ounce, or hymen short and the deal is off.

    The original made Star Wars look like Dune by comparison.

    1. I offer a meter stick with a dollar sign, 1 pound of Coca Cola, and 72 D&D players.

      1. I only deal with serious negotiations. Just for that I want everything already listed plus one of those pinwheels that make you feel like passing out to make move one-quarter of a turn, a bag of circus peanuts, and one of these. A NEW one.

        Granted, I’m bargaining from a position of weakness, but the Dems have been putting it over on the Republicans for years, so I’m hoping by bidding up you’ll cave eventually.

    2. Dune, while a great book, was one of the goofiest Sci Fi movies ever made. I liked it a lot, but I think it falls into the guilty pleasure category. I am talking about the 80s one.

      1. That is a cult classic.

        1. It will be on cable once in a while and I always watch it. My wife hates that movie so much. It is so much fun to torture her with it. That movie is also a good reminder that Sting was actually really cool at one time. He was the perfect Fayd Harkonen.

          1. It depends which version you watch. David Lynch was a nutjob and I hate everything else he’s ever done, but I’ll at least agree that the edited version that’s shown most on TV is probably the best Dune to film to date. Sadly, that isn’t saying much.

            If it’s the extended version you will be hard pressed not to kill yourself before the end of the film. It’s…unwatchable.

      2. I fell asleep in the middle of Dune. And it’s not like I was watching it late at night, it was the middle of the day, and I was about 10 years old. 10 year old me did NOT take naps in the middle of the day, but I did when trying to sit through that shit. That’s how boring it was.

        1. That is because you had not hit puberty yet. If you had, lusting after a young Sean Young and Franchesca Annis in all her MILFy glory would have kept you awake.

      3. I guess I WAS more referring to the book and its complexity versus Star Wars’ rather straight forward, cliched narrative. The extended version of the movie is a little better. But still, given 190 minutes you’d capture some of the vibe, but not really.

        But, in the end, Independence Day was like a bad stick man cartoon of a movie.

      4. It was also a total reflection of our times (the 80s) from that nexus of “Deep dark sci-fi themes, but we also want to get in on that merchandising kick that made Lucas rich rich rich”. After all, aren’t the weirding modules nothing but ghetto blasters?

  13. So the previous movie was tagged ID4, which suggests that there could be three prequel scripts floating around out there, a la Star Wars. And this movie should have been ID5: Independencer Day.

    1. The Hive Strikes Back?

      Which means this will actually be the best of the 9 times they remake this movie?

  14. I find it amusing for a website where people routinely mock hipsters how god damned near every single commenter hates anything that was even remotely popular.

    Oh ID4 was horrible


    A box office total of $817 million dollars in 1996 (about $1.5 Billion in 1996 dollars after ticket price inflation is factored in) proves that you are a fucking moron if you think this.

    Will Smith is so bad


    13 movies with gross reciepts over $100 million says you are a fucking moron if you think this.

    Yeah, the great unwashed massed can be morons and latch onto something that is really not so good for a little while and that in the right environment can rake in some money but it isn’t going to get you to those levels.

    Sure ID4 isn’t the Shawshank Redemption or a work of art based on amazing acting or story but any way you slice it it is a REALLY fucking good example of a sci fi adventure movie. It might not be to your taste but if you are incapable of acknowledging that for what it was and what it was intended to be that it was a good movie then it is you who is the problem, not the movie. Same with Will Smith, he might not be the greatest actor who ever lived but the number of movies he has been in that people genuinely loved, and especially the really wide variety in roles he has succeeded in playing shows that he is a damned good actor.

    1. ID4 was a fun summer movie back when they still made such things.

    2. I thought it was a good adventure film. Good Sci-Fi? Not in the least. It was wonderful pulpy nonsense that was focus-grouped for best affect. I can appreciate its appeal- and as I said above, it has actually gotten better to watch over the years- but it was not a good movie.

      1. Sci fi nerd alert!!

    3. So what you’re saying is, if a film is popular it must also therefore be good.

      Interesting. In that case, I take this to mean you find Michael Bay to be one of the greatest directors of all time, and his works of art shall endure for a hundred years as an example of pure vision? Shia Labeouf is a master of the craft.

      A strawman, perhaps, but I think you would agree some films are designed to be purely profitable whereas some are designed to be profitable and good.

    4. I’d categorize ID4 more as science fantasy than science fiction.

    5. That’s nice. ID and WS’s success does not make them any less crappy.

  15. When are we getting a Wild Wild West sequel/reboot?

    1. Ok, let’s never mention that again. Hands-down the worst movie I’ve ever seen.

  16. Ever since the A. Abrams Star Trek/Wars fail-asco, I have learned to keep my expectations incredibly low, so as to not be disappointed.

    1. But Abrams made ST watchable and saved Star Wars.

  17. Smith was terrible in a pretty bad movie the first time. That’s enough.

    1. But he was just about the best thing in the movie. So there is that….

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  19. As usual Loder fails me. I don’t really expect anything from current Hollywood in terms of elan, charm, wit, or wisdom. I just need to know of Hemsworth gets his shirt off.

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