Orlando Shooting

Military-Style Rifles Are Not the 'Weapons of Choice' for Mass Shooters

Would it matter if they were?

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Responding to Sunday's massacre in Orlando, the perpetrator of which used a Sig Sauer MCX rifle as well as a Glock 17 pistol, USA Today's editorial board says "assault-style weapons" are "the weapon[s] of choice of people intent on mayhem." Washington Post blogger Christopher Ingraham agrees. So do CNN, ABC News, The Globe and Mail, the Daily MailThe TelegraphThe Australian, The Japan Times, and International Business Times.

Yet according to a Mother Jones tally of mass shootings since 1982, which includes "seemingly indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed," the vast majority of guns used in these attacks (83 percent) do not qualify as "assault weapons," an arbitrary category defined by military-style features such as folding stocks, pistol grips, and flash suppressors. Handguns were far more common, accounting for two-thirds of the weapons. If anything, handguns are the "weapons of choice" for mass shootings (as they are for other types of gun violence).

Where did all of these news outlets get the idea that "assault weapons" are the most common type of firearm used in mass shootings? It does look like such guns became more popular with mass shooters in recent years. When Mother Jones first published its database, it covered 1982 through 2012, and "assault weapons" accounted for 20 of the 143 guns used by mass shooters, or 14 percent. Mother Jones counts 19 additional incidents since then (including the Orlando nightclub attack), involving 36 weapons, of which 10, or 28 percent, were identified as "assault weapons." So this category was twice as common during the last three and a half years as it was during the previous three decades, a change that presumably reflects the general rise in the popularity of military-style rifles as well as their specific appeal to mass murderers.

This meme regarding so-called assault weapons dates back at least to 1985, when California Assemblyman Art Agnos, promoting the first state ban on such guns, described them as  "'the weapons of choice' of drug dealers and some street gangs," as the Los Angeles Times put it. That was not true either. According to a 2004 report commissioned by the National Institute of Justice, assault weapons "were used in only a small fraction of gun crimes prior to [the lapsed 1994 federal ban]: about 2% according to most studies and no more than 8%."

Other "assault weapon" prohibitionists nevertheless echoed Agnos. The Nexis newspaper database counts more than 1,000 references to "assault weapons" as "weapons of choice" since 1985. Maybe all that rhetorical excess has something to do with the rise in the popularity of military-style guns among mass shooters. But keep in mind that mass shootings account for a tiny percentage of gun homicides and an even smaller percentage of gun-related deaths, two-thirds of which are suicides. In all of these categories (and in self-defense too), handguns are by far the most popular sort of firearm.

Does it matter whether mass shooters use "assault weapons" rather than another type of gun without the bells and whistles that offend politicians? USA Today thinks it does. Saying Congress should "ban assault weapons now," the paper says "such weapons are accurate and quick, firing with just the twitch of a finger." That last feature, of course, characterizes pretty much every gun ever invented. Rate of fire has nothing to do with the definition of "assault weapons," which fire no faster than hunting rifles, semi-automatic pistols, or revolvers. Nor are "assault weapons" distinguished by their accuracy, muzzle energy, or the ability to accept detachable magazines (a feature shared by many guns that are not considered "assault weapons"). Under the renewed "assault weapon" ban for which Hillary Clinton and other Democrats are clamoring, a rifle with a detachable magazine is prohibited if it has one or more of these "military characteristics": a pistol grip or forward grip, a grenade launcher or rocket launcher, a barrel shroud, a threaded barrel, or a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock. 

Like USA Today, the Post's Ingraham mentions that "assault weapons" are "capable of firing many rounds of ammunition in a relatively short period of time" and even claims that "compared to other firearms, assault-style rifles make it fairly easy to kill or injure many people within a short period of time." But he never explains which special features make "assault weapons" uniquely suited to mass murder—possibly because there is no good explanation.

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  1. Why would a drug dealer want an AR-15? That seems a bit conspicuous.

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  2. I’d also add that my actual military issued rifle never had a pistol grip.

      1. I love the Garand, but I’m not that old. I had an M16A3.

        1. M16s have “pistol grips” behind the trigger.
          http://www.armyproperty.com/Eq…..6A3-A4.htm

          The antis don’t like forward pistol grips either, but the shooting-hand grip will do for their “definition.”

        2. Pretty sure that had a pistol grip. The M16A2 and A4’s I carried did.

          1. You’re right. I’m thinking about the forward pistol grip. I guess I think of a pistol grip on rifles to be normal compared to the forward pistol grip.

            1. That’s usually referred to a vertical forend grip.

    1. Mosin Nagant. No grip, no safety, killed more people than smallpox.

      1. I’d put a pistol grip on my Mosin if it would upset the right people.

        1. I’m pretty sure it would.

        2. Ask them to get in line. Fire one shot. Problem solved.

        3. http://tinyurl.com/hkdsk5s

          Or Archangel makes a more ‘California legal’ style replacement stock

          http://tinyurl.com/hmtljz5

          Personally I think the best would be a ‘tacticool’ stock on a .30-40 Kraag.

      2. Mosins absolutely do have a safety. You’re not a real gun guy until you’ve figured it out on your own, without cheating.

        1. They really do have a safety though. Designed and built that way.

  3. Gun grabbers lie. You can count on that like you can count on the sun rising.

  4. It pisses me off that stories like this even have to be posted but they do because in the aftermath of every one of these tragedies all the fucking gun grabbers are using the tragedy to push stupid and pointless new laws.

    1. My liberal GF was appalled when my take on the shootings in Orlando was a frustrated comment about how “now a bunch of politicians are gonna push, once again, to chip away at the Second Amendment”, instead of being depressed about a bunch of strangers living a thousand miles away dying in an unusual manner.

      She was also hoping so hard that the killer wouldn’t be a radical Muslim, about 20 minutes before that started popping up in the news feeds.

      1. It’s pretty sick to be hoping a bunch of people died in a way convenient to your political beliefs.

      2. The sex must be pretty darn good to put up with that kind of derp at home.

      3. If she ain’t the Pel? of anal, then dumb her.

        1. then dumb her

          That seems needlessly harsh…

          1. And redundant.

        2. Anal is overrated. Pussy feels much better.

          That being said, if your first criteria in dating someone is uniformity in political beliefs and whether she does anal frequently, you might be missing out on some other important stuff, like being interesting to talk to or being non-crazy or how gooood her pussy smells and tastes. =D

          1. You sir/xir, are no libertarian. *continues reading Mexican ass sex & weed weekly

          2. “Anal is overrated. Pussy feels much better”

            You’re doing it wrong.

            “That being said, if your first criteria in dating ”

            We get it, you’re pussy whipped.

        3. Guess I watch too much Archer then

  5. No amount of facts will change what people feel.

    1. your ‘facts’ won’t save the chillin’s!

  6. The StarTribune had a big article today on how our country is awash in AR-15’s.

    The only thing that makes the comments readable are the ones that point out that the Orlando shooter didn’t use an AR-15 as the story tries to say.

    1. Not sure what happened to my link: The story

      1. Not clicking that. I’ve seen enough gun grabber derp the past two days to last a lifetime.

    2. Gun grabbers can’t seem to get away from their basic underlying premise that firearm ownership itself is the problem. That’s why headlines about how our country is “awash” with [insert firearm used in latest mass shooting here].

      1. One of several reasons why I haven’t engaged anyone over this on Facebook is because I don’t really need to tell anyone what I think of their reasoning. If they’re still ignoring the obvious arithmetic proving there are millions of compliant and responsible gun owners for every mass shooter, then there’s really nothing left to say.

    3. I guess the MCX isn’t an AR15, but it is pretty darn close. The MCX shoots a 300 blackout, which was designed to shoot from an AR15 platform. It isn’t an AR15 because that’s a registered trademark of Colt, and the MCX is made by Sig Sauer.

      The MCX is a nice gun. I shot one (a full auto version) with a suppressor at a demo day. It was a lot of fun to shoot.

      Interesting that if you type sig into Google, the first suggestion is the MCX.

      1. Not close at all. None of the parts are interchangeable, and not MIL SPEC.

        If so configured, it takes .223 and STENAG. That’s it.

        1. Of course it isn’t MIL SPEC when it uses the 300BLK, but the MCX is pretty darn close to an AR15. You’re not going to convince the vast majority of people it isn’t an AR15. There are a lot of people out there that think full-auto and semi-auto are the same thing. You can’t expect them to understand the difference between a two platforms that look nearly identical and use a slightly different round.

      2. The MCX is available in 5.56, 7.62 x 39 and .300 BLK.
        (Of course, so are AR-platform rifles).

        The difference is in the design of the action and gas system.

        1. AR platforms are available in many other cartridges too. From FN’s 5.7×28 to .499 Beowolf.

          IIRC,HK also redesigned the gas action system on their uppers,and you can fit them to other AR-type rifles.

          All SIG did was to make their gun only accept THEIR goodies. Like Apple and their computers.

    4. Just the other day I was walking down the street and almost tripped, several times, over discarded AR-15’s because there’s so many of them just lying around…

      1. My local trash newspaper coupon dude throws one in with the coupon flyer I don’t want that he throws in my yard every couple of days. They’re so common its not even worth keeping, it goes in the trash with the paper.

    5. I wonder if they realize the AR being common HURTs their claims about them being especially dangerous?

  7. Because it’s the people they mostly give a rat’s ass about dying in those infamous shootings using “assault style weapons.” They flat out don’t care when its 40 blacks shot over a weekend in Chicago, all with handguns. But 40 whites (or at least mostly whites) shot in a newsworthy “mass shooting,” well…

    1. The X stands for xtra scary.

    2. I wanted the MPX, but I think the civilian version got shit canned.

      1. It is available. Just goto slickguns and do a search.

        I shot one of those too. I liked it more than the MCX.

  8. Jacob – may I call you Jacob? – Jacob, we all know that there must be a first step to any journey, and the long, painful and fact-free first step to banning private gun ownership is onto the paver known as the military assault type weapon. This is a trail that must be traveled by a majority of voters, and to get those voters to follow along, our gun grabbing pied pipers must play a tune of fully automatic looking firearms mowing down children in the streets and revelers in the clubs. Facts are simply shiny things that will lure our simple voters off the path of righteousness and toward the vulgarity of individual liberty.

    1. A lot of them aren’t hiding their true feelings anymore. I’ve seen so many people posting “no one needs a gun, no one should have guns”. None of these people have ever lived outside of a major metropolitan area. The city/rural divide is only going to get a lot bigger, unfortunately.

      1. Why must you ruin my poetry with prose? I paint you a beautiful word picture with metaphors and similes or some shit like that you and come back with a pedestrian comment like this? If I had my assault style weapon right now…

        1. “Assault style”

          Does that mean it has like flames painted on the side?

      2. You’d think it would be the people living in major metropolitan areas that would be the most pro-gun.

        You’re less likely to get shot in Somerton than in Phoenix (or Chicago). Where I live, people *don’t* need guns because the likelihood of someone trying to break into your home or rob you is near nil. I fact, these people *shoot their guns up into the air on major holidays*!

  9. Don’t tell anybody, but my Winchester 1200 is black. Fortunately, it lacks that thing that goes up.

    1. “Fortunately, it lacks that thing that goes up”.

      I believe they have pills for that.

  10. Look, you. Was a rifle used to assault innocent people? Then it is an assault rifle! Never mind that post hoc reasoning prevents any useful future actions. Sure, it was just a jumped up Ruger 10/22 with a drum mag, but its an Assault Rifle! Especially if your eyes aren’t what they used to be and the bunnies are far away.

  11. What makes this rhetoric even more ridiculous, is the fact that you can legally assemble a functionally identical rifle without any of the “bad parts” in every state. The characteristics of what makes up an “assault weapon” has nothing to do with how it functions, how many bullets it can shoot in a given time, or the velocity of the ammunition.

    People were still buying new manufactured AR-15 type rifles between 1996 and 2004, and people are still buying those types of rifles in places like New York and California.

    1. It’s kind of the great part. Start selling an AR mod where the lower receiver is wedded to some cheap-ass plastic stock and 28″ barrel. “See, its not an AR!” Then sell all the kit separate.

      1. It exist. A company made it for NY where the lower comes with a rifle type stock molded to it. You can out whatever upper you want on it.

      2. Wouldn’t matter. The left would still label it as an automatic machine gun.

        1. I know people who buy the M14 so as not to alarm snowflakes, it shoots the same ammo just as well as the AR but looks like a “standard rifle” whatever that actually is.

          1. I’m assuming you mean a Mini 14? I know there are AR platforms chambered for 7.62, but the vast majority aren’t.

            1. I have the Ruger mini-14 tactical, nice gun and haven’t bought any after market accessories yet for it, but they have a lot that would turn it into an “evil weapon of mass destruction?”.

  12. Also, I see that the MCX could, if you squint just right, be an “AR” as the upper is compatible with an AR lower according to the porn catalog posted in the article.

    1. Which, I can apparently buy at the local Academy. And also, obviously, in Florida where we are moving over the weekend. Maybe I need a “happy first paycheck at the new job” gun.

      1. You coming back to Tampa?

        1. The TB area. Over in Pinellas.

      2. In reaction to the Pulse massacre,Academy has pulled their AR stock from the shelves. They still will sell you one,but they’re not on display. Ironic,they just ran an ad for a big sale on them in the Orlando Sunday paper. There was one model going for under $500.

  13. I watched a couple of the Morning Joke snippets available via Roku this morning. The Jokesters did not disappoint, expressing their incredulous dismay that AR-15s are flying off the shelves.

    “Here we sit, talking about getting the government to take these guns off the market, and the mouth-breathing rubes are out there buying them like there’s no tomorrow. What is this nation coming to?”

    1. After the shooting in Connecticut one reporter talked about how shocked she was that she could buy an AK-47 in the days that followed. Eternal recurrence or something.

    2. Well, I guess we’ll just have to grab harder!

  14. I suppose if Mateen had used trained pit bulls to maul 50 people to death, we wouldn’t be debating about his weapon of choice and whether he was batshit crazy or not.

    1. 20 years ago lots of cities were trying to ban pit bulls.

      1. Yeah, I know.

        One of my gripes about 2A and the defense thereof, all manner of self defense tools *should* be covered but the focus is on guns.

        1. Plus most common kitchen items, automobiles, and about 95% of the items in your standard toolbox….

      2. Dude, five years ago. And a lot of those laws are still on the books.

    2. Because if he lived in Indonesia or Israel he’d just strap a bomb to his chest and kill 200.

  15. I’ve read liberals admit that “assault weapons” are indeed not the main issue, just that it’s at least a foot in the door.

  16. Assault weapons are the weapons of choice of the people who choose to say weapons of choice.

  17. Anyone see Mother Jones hysterical article on the MCX? The author literally knows less than nothing about weapons.

    It has a military-spec trigger So the trigger really sucks?

    And: …the MCX is known in military circles as the “Black Mamba” and was developed at the request of the US Army’s special operations forces.

    Seriously? The Army requested it, then never bought one?

    http://www.motherjones.com/pol…..ss-shooter

    1. Unfortunately, I did happen to come across that garbage. Still, not nearly as bad as the bs from the NY Daily.

      1. Nice inverted image on that AR. Or is that a rare model built left-handed from the ground up?!

    2. Yeah, somebody’s confused.

      1. ‘mil-spec’ trigger means its tough and above all *cheap* – reliable is optional.

      2. ‘Developed at the request of the Army’s special forces’ means nothing more than a rep talked to some SO dudes about the sort of things they would like to have.

      3. The *company* named it ‘Black Mamba’ – because that’s fucking marketing.

      4. “It was designed to kill as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.” Yeah, that’s actually *not* an AR design goal. Its not about killing as many as possible, its about suppressing the enemy so that someone can get into position to kill *the specific guys you want dead*. You want a weapon that is designed to kill as many as possible as fast as possible – you want artillery.

      5. *Suppressed* does not mean *silenced*.

  18. Haven’t you seen the latest? The Gay Political Establishment will turn their full attention to “gun reform” and be just as successful as their Gay Agenda over the last 25 years.

    Not mentioned is that the successful political campaign (Gay Agenda!!!) was to secure rights and remove restrictions on a minority – not try to restrict a significant number of citizens’ rights (maybe not a majority, but close).

    1. Who leads that establishment? I’m betting they splinter over the issue.

      1. That’s my guess. I’m sure a lot of queers noticed that the government failed to protect a bunch of them over the last weekend and won’t be up on the whole “Trust us, we got this gays” from the top government men/women.

        1. You and I must not be listening to the same news sources. The local NPR affiliate had several Gay, Muslim, and Gay Muslim community concern trolls on. The piece started out with a call to avoid blaming all of Islam and each and every Muslim for this act. By the end, it had been asserted that stricter control of guns would be a good idea and that bigots especially Southern and ‘extremely religious’ ones, by not voting for special protections for LGBT community, had rather explicitly enabled this act.

          1. No chance that NPR had filter out any non-statist opinions before going on air with their infomercial for big government.

          2. local NPR affiliate

            …ahem.

          3. “You and I must not be listening to the same news sources. The local NPR affiliate”

            I thought we were talking about news sources?

  19. On The View they were spouting that half the massing killings have occurred since 2005 when the assault weapon ban was repealed, so that must mean it is time to reinstate it. And EJ Dionne said we just need to ban all guns, so we’ll be safe from mass shootings, like France and Norway.

  20. Where did all of these news outlets get the idea that “assault weapons” are the most common type of firearm used in mass shootings?

    From other “news” sources.

    So this category was twice as common during the last three and a half years as it was during the previous three decades, a change that presumably reflects the general rise in the popularity of military-style rifles as well as their specific appeal to mass murderers.

    And the next mass murderer/wannabe terrorist is sitting out there in Mom’s basement watching TV News and thinking, Well, if the AR-15 is what all the other mass murderer/wannabe terrorists are using, I guess I gotta get me one.

  21. Where did all of these news outlets get the idea that “assault weapons” are the most common type of firearm used in mass shootings?

    From deep inside the dank, dark recesses of their colons.

    1. If the news is in consensus then it must be a fact just like global warming

  22. Liberal newsliars get the “impression” that most mass shooters use “assault weapons” because that fits their ideology, which trumps factual truth for them. And whenever someone actually does use one, it proves their case — and never mind all the other occasions, which they carefully ignore.

  23. Closed space and a crowded room? Probably the most devastating gun the murderer could have used would have been a shotgun–one of those ultrareliable FN semiautos.

    I’m trying to imagine how people think confiscation of “assault weapons” is going to work.

    First off, who’s volunteering for that job? Who’s underwriting the volunteers’ life insurance?

    Do gun grabbers imagine that the police are going to walk up to the door, knock, and ask for any assault weapons in the house? That the millions of AR-15 owners out there are simply going to hand them over when asked?

    If I had to bet the farm on one side or the other, I’d bet that confiscating “assault weapons” from everyone is likely to cause more blood and death than leaving “assault weapons” be.

    I’d like someone to make the gun grabbers describe on camera how confiscation is going to work. There are 100 million gun owning homes in America, and the AR-15 is the most popular rifle in the country. Step one in confiscation is making them illegal? Then what’s step two?

    How do they plan to do this, exactly?

    1. Kicking doors military style! You know the gun grabbers would just love to turn the military on the rubes they don’t like.

      Of course the majority of the military are the rubes they detest kinda puts a fly in that bowl o’ shit soup.

  24. Pretty much evern mass shooting happens in a gun free zone, or in a place where guns are difficult to obtain (see: Orlando, France, the kids camp in Norway, the movie theater in Colerado, etc).

    Yet somehow we need more laws. Right.

  25. There was a guy I met once. My brother knew him.

    His father had been a prospector out in the Nevada desert–somewhere off a dirt road that intersects the 15 on the way to Vegas. He’d been out there for years prospecting. Was mining zinc.

    One day a lawyer pulls up to their trailer in a Mercedes. He says that he was doing some research on this property, and he noticed that the prospector didn’t have the mineral rights for zinc–just silver. So the lawyer told him he’d bought the zinc rights himself, that he was sending a crew out later that week to start mining the property for zinc, and then he handed the prospector a court order telling him he had to stop mining zinc.

    The prospector pulled out a pistol and shot the lawyer 18 times in the chest. He took the lawyer’s dead body out to where the dirt road crosses the I-15 and set him up in a lawn chair with a sign around his neck that read, “This is what we do to claim jumpers”.

    You’re gonna walk up to millions of armed Americans with a court order and tell them to hand over their AR-15s? That’s exactly millions of times dumber than that lawyer.

    1. Cute story – what happened to the murderer next?

      1. With all dead, there’s only one thing you can do.

      2. He forwent a jury trial and plead self-defense.

        The judge didn’t buy it since he had to go back into the trailer to reload. Apparently, he shot the guy six times in the chest–and then reloaded twice.

        Even if the first bullet was, somehow, in self-defense, how could the 18th be?

        Last I heard the old timer is doing life without parole.

        I should say, though, he became something of a local folk hero to other small time prospectors in the area. He was a throwback to the Old West. You make your laws and hire your lawyers–we have our own way of doing things.

        Regardless, the point was, just because you pass laws and say people have to give up their “assault weapons” doesn’t mean they will. Suburban soccer moms don’t live in that prospector’s world. Their imagination about how these things will happen is mostly fantasy. It’s a lot like the drug war. We’ll make marijuana illegal, click our heels three times, and then it will all magically disappear!

        Um . . . no.

        1. his mistake was not doing “shoot,shovel,and shut up”.

    2. intersects the 15 what?

      1. Intersects the I-15.

        You wouldn’t find it unless you were looking for it and knew where to look. It isn’t an official intersection. It’s where the few people who live out there cut off the 15 to get to their claims.

        And those are some funky ass Hills Have Eyes kind of people living out there.

    3. 18 bullets? No one needs 18 bullets!

      1. Remember, he was shooting a lawyer.

  26. While a folding stock and pistol grip can make it easier to engage a target in close confines it doesn’t make the weapon inherently more dangerous. I was having a discussion with a friend of mine about this issue and he just can’t seem to wrap his head around the idea that an AR-15 (which we now know is not the type of weapon used in Orlando anyway) is functionally no different than dozens of other types of rifles. I was really disappointed because despite being a liberal he’s an educated guy who can at least back up most of his opinions.

    1. Yeah, but when otherwise smart people buy into an ideology they’re as likely as anyone else to stop thinking critically. My wife, as a for instance, is a brilliant woman, but she’s also a dedicated statist and pretty Progressive. She has daily interactions with both environmentalists and government agencies at virtually every level that are frustrating, disturbing, and disappointing. She’ll acknowledge all of that, and yet continue to insist that the government is essentially the bulwark between society and bloodthirsty chaos. She always says, “The government is just people,” to which I reply, “Yeah, people who believe they have the authority to force other people to comply with their wishes using force. So basically like our bitchy, snobby, yuppie housewife neighbor with an army.”

  27. Facebook is killing me. It’s the same shit over and over again. Being gay, I naturally have more than an average amount of gay friends. A few are acting like they were there themselves, posting selfies from Public Displays of Something, candlelight vigil-ing, and generally making this all about them. But I have been repeatedly assured that this has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Islam, while having everything to do – specifically – conservative Christian beliefs. And guns. Of course. It would do no good, but God, I want to scream at every smug anti-self defense shitstain who claims that “no one needs a gun” whether or not they’d have wanted one if they were trapped in a nightclub bathroom with a gunman picking their friends off at his leisure.
    For the first time in my life, I really don’t like being gay, and gays are making me feel that way.

    1. Funny, I was just visiting the Pink Pistols website. Sounds like they would be fun to shoot with but no chapters in NJ.

      http://www.pinkpistols.org/find-a-local-chapter/

  28. I’ll gladly give up my guns once the grabbers’ thugs get rid of theirs first.

    Reminds me of a Simpsons Tree House episode. Lisa sees a grave of a guy killed by a gun. She goes on a crusade and gets everyone, including the cops, to give them up. Immediately the ghost that put her on this path shows up with his 1800s cowboy cohorts and they begin to shoot up the town.

    At least in the Simpsons even the state got what was coming and not just the plebes.

  29. There are plenty of semi auto hunting and sport rifles out there that chamber .308 or larger. But they don’t look scary like black rifles. Just as lethal if not more. The Browning BAR Safari 338 can stop a garbage truck or 10 of them. Still not scary looking. As far as .308 black rifles go, my FN FAL is pretty good albeit it’s heavy. Point being ‘assault rifle’ doesn’t mean much and isn’t more deadly than anything else.

  30. “One of the most powerful laws in the universe is the law of unintended consequences.” -From the book “SuperFreakonomics”

    The San Bernadino shooters, besides having guns, had this:

    “….12 pipe bombs are found in the home of the two now-dead killers, along with three pipe bombs wired to a remote control device, hundreds of bomb-making tools in their garage….”
    bostonherald.com/opinion/editorials/2015/12/

    Had all guns been outlawed and none available, one unintended consequence might have been this:

    “200 pipe bombs are found in the home of the two now-dead bombers who blew up the disability center, killing 50. Also found are 100 pipe bombs wired to remote control devices, and thousands of bomb-making tools in their garage.”

    Remember the Boston Marathon bombers? They killed with pressure-cooker bombs that were triggered by a device used in remote control toys.

    Make it impossible for mass killers and terrorists to use guns, and they will use bombs.

    Make it impossible for mass killers and terrorists to use bombs, and they will use toxic gas.

    Let everyone carry concealed weapons, and mass killers and terrorists will hurl bombs or toxic-gas containers as they drive or dash by, catching the gun bearers by surprise.

    Each time a gun law is passed, try to think like a mass killer or a terrorist determined to kill. Only by trying to put ourselves in these killers’ minds can we best recognize unintended consequences and find our best solutions.

    1. Fair point about CCW, and I’ll readily concede that you cannot by their very nature prevent ambush killings. I will say, however, that if you have a crowd of people, half of whom are armed, the odds that at least one person will be able to return fire and prevent or mitigate the damage that a shooter can do are pretty good. At the very least, I think that it’s better to have the chance to return fire than not, no?

  31. Just got off a Facebook status debate about banning “assault rifles”. It took 3 replies until someone turned it into if you don’t agree with banning rifles you are a racist. The progs don’t even try to work up to the point of racism they know if they start throwing it out right away it scares people away.

  32. After the Loughner shooting, the left set up narrative about angry white men stewing in radicalism as he listens to talk radio and violent rhetoric. Obviously much of that collapsed like a Zenga Tower in light of recent events.

    Make NO mistake about it – the gun control push is a DESPERATE act of deflection. The liberals cannot accept that the underlying cause of terror is radical Islam, or that Islamic society harbors homophobic sentiments. They’re working overtime to draw the public attention to the NRA, characterizing the Pulse shooting as some generic “mass shooting” and straining all logic to assert that homophobia and Islamophobia are jointly responsible for the tragedy.

    The more astute gun grabbers will recognize that radical Islam erased almost 100 lives without a single shot fired (Egyptair, Brussels). When guns aren’t an option, they turn to bombs. The SB shooters had a bomb making factory in their garage, and Omar also had a device. It’s probably only a matter time until someone blows up a building from a distance, where SWAT teams can’t do a thing about it. What then?

    I didn’t think radical Islam would hit America’s protected groups. But they just hit a gay bar. If they blow up a black church, I think the lib PC crowd will be done.

    1. Eh, he’s already been show to only be doing trick archery – low pull strength bows that don’t have much force behind the shots.

      Not that getting hit with a hunting head wouldn’t neccessitate a trip to the hospital.

  33. So why the incessant media assault on assault weapons, the truth be damned? see http://www.DiscourageCriminals.net/truth

    Handguns are valuable for close self defense, but not much use for longer distances. If you want to resist an terrorist army, then you need a long gun. So if you think you might need to defend your family and your home against any danger more than a violent criminal, then you’ll need an assault weapon.

    But is there any danger to you and your family from anyone other than violent criminals in America? This question only you can and need to answer. What’s your answer?

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  35. I wonder how many of the victims of the Orlando shooting are friendly fire? If he was using the 5.56 NATO version of the Sig Sauer MCX, instead of the the 300BLK, it might be impossible to tell, since police SWAT teams also use rifles chambered for the 5.56 NATO.

    There has already be speculation about this, even from police sources.

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  37. Uhm maybe we should let them have the assault weapons thing so they don’t start banning handguns. Keep them distracted.

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  39. ‘…”assault weapons,” an arbitrary category defined by military-style features such as folding stocks, pistol grips, and flash suppressors.’

    I would argue that “military-style” is also a term used to make us stupid. It’s either a civilian weapon or a military weapon. Patton’s famous sidearm was not referred to as a civilian-style weapon of limited mayhem, for instance.

    1. In other words we need to decline invitations by leftists to join in their kindergarten game of words. Bernie Sanders says no automatic weapons should be sold; does he mean semi-automatic as well? Because good luck retrofitting American gun ownership to include only revolvers. Or maybe he means only fully-automatic, which begs the question as to how it would have stopped Mateen and his semi-automatic weapons in Orlando. That we have been forced to pretend Orlando is a gun control issue is quite enough; I’ll not join in this little fan dance with them too.

  40. In another piece, you made reference to the antique of Due Process. These days, is that important, does it matter, when “something” must be done, as we are told.

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  50. I have one of those mean looking weapons that tend to put some panties in a wad. It is black, has a pistol grip and other features that make it what some would hyperbolize as an “assault weapon”. I love its reliability, maintainability, lightness and ease of use. And, since I don’t intend to assault anyone, I don’t own an assault weapon…I own a defense weapon. I also don’t own a “military style” weapon. In the Army I used “military Style” weapons since they were either fully automatic or designed for burst fire. On second thought it may be a “military style” weapon since most successful civilian designs started out as a military weapon.

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