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SiriusXM Suspends Glenn Beck for Brad Thor's Comments on Trump; Brad Thor Responds to His Critics

Glenn Beck's radio show was suspended after a guest was accused of calling for Trump's assassination. The guest says his words were misconstrued.

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SiriusXM announced today that it is suspending talk show host Glenn Beck for a week, following an interview last Wednesday in which a guest made comments that the company felt "may be reasonably construed by some to have been advocating harm against an individual currently running for office."

The guest was Brad Thor, a popular novelist with conservatarian politics. In his interview, Thor compared Donald Trump to a Latin American caudillo and suggested that Trump, if president, would suspend the Constitution and seize dictatorial powers. Then came the controversial part. "It is a hypothetical I am going to ask as a thriller writer," Thor said to Beck. "With the feckless, spineless Congress we have, who will stand in the way of Donald Trump overstepping his constitutional authority as president? If Congress won't remove him from office, what patriot will step up and do that—if, if, he oversteps his mandate as president? His constitutionally granted authority, I should say, as president. If he oversteps that, how do we get him out of office?" Thor added that he doesn't "think there is a legal means available. I think it will be a terrible, terrible position the American people will be in, to get Trump out of office, because you won't be able to do it through Congress."

Several people took this as a suggestion that someone should kill Trump, an interpretation Thor strenuously denies. "It's not a defense of assassination," he told Reason today. "I don't even want to see a dictatorial president assassinated. We are a republic—a nation of laws—and the greater good would be served by the despot standing trial." And if there's no trial? "Safeguarding the republic against a dictatorship is a topic of conversation that dates back to the Founders," he says. "If we had to unseat a president without the backing of the Congress, we would need a patriot along the lines of George Washington to lead the country from tyranny back to liberty."

Thor's appearance on the Beck show is embedded below, with the relevant section starting shortly after the four-minute mark:

My thoughts: I understand why people took the words "what patriot will step up and do that" as a casting call for an assassin, but it's also true that there are forms of extralegal political action that stop well short of the Oswald option. In any event, it's clear that Thor's scenario was set not on the current campaign trail but in a hypothetical future where a president is playing Perón.

If nothing else, this shows just how quickly American politics have been scrambled. If you said seven years ago that the Glenn Beck show would one day get into trouble for airing comments that were widely construed as a call to assassinate an American president, a lot of pundits would have nodded their heads sagely. But they might not have believed you if you added that the president in question would be a Republican denounced as a fascist by the same people who used to throw that sort of accusation at Glenn Beck.

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  1. Thor compared Donald Trump to a Latin American caudillo and suggested that Trump, if president, would seize dictatorial powers.

    It’s getting to the point I’m not sure what this means. Does this simply mean issue a whole bunch of diktats through executive fiat?

    1. It couldn’t be that, because it’s already been done and there has been little pants-shitting by the #NeverTrump crowd.

    2. Does this simply mean issue a whole bunch of diktats through executive fiat?

      He predicted that Trump would overtly suspend the Constitution.

      1. …and I just added a phrase to that effect to the post, just to make everything as clear as possible.

        1. I suppose standing before cameras and saying “I hereby suspend the Constitution” could be worse than standing before cameras and saying “I hereby go around the Constitution”.

          1. or standing before the cameras and saying something about “pens and phones”.

            1. +1 disposition matrix

        2. I think Obama learned from Chavez, who openly said, “I disband Congress.” Obama replaced that with, “I have a pen and a phone” and made his case to the people why he should just ignore Congress. Half the people never realized it was unconstitutional.

          1. If this congress, which has been working to undermine Obama since his first day in office, are unwilling to actually start impeachment proceedings (which is funny with how often they threaten it), it might be safe to say that he hasn’t actually committed any impeachable offenses.

      2. You mean beyond the already-existing Constitution free zones? THE HORROR!

  2. This is the old “Would you kill Hitler as a baby?” fallacy. They fail to appreciate that the problem is not the leader but the people who support him even if they say, “Well I knew he hated X/Y/Z but I didn’t know he was gonna make us kill ALL of them!”

    1. It’s not even that. It’s “would you kill Hitler as the leader of the Third Reich”.

      1. Why would I kill Hitler if I was the leader of the Third Reich?

        1. His shitty art?

    2. This is why compromise is important. Instead of killing all of the Jews like Hitler wants or none of the Jews like his opponents want, just kill half of the Jews. Then everyone gets some of what they want.

      1. “A good compromise leaves everybody mad.”

      2. “Half measures availed us nothing.” You obviously learned nothing from WW I.

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      3. That’s not how political compromise is done:

        A; I want to kill all the Jews!

        B: I don’t want anyone to kill Jews!

        C: Gentlemen, I think we can compromise. What if we only kill most of the Jews, and also kill the gays?

        A and B: DEAL!

        1. You forgot $15 million rider for boosting public transport and corn subsidy in there!

          1. And another $10 million for a ‘gay cowboys eating pudding poetry festival’.

      4. I’m sure half the Jews would appreciate that.

        1. Sheldon would approve, if it fucked over Israel too.

  3. Who would step up? Scot Harvath, obviously.

  4. Christ, he’s calling for a civil war, not an assassination. So no big deal.

    This is ridiculous. Not only was it a tame rant, he is right that it is a pretty old philosophical question. It’s a hypothetical that millions of people have probably discussed at one point or another.

    1. Tame is right. He didn’t even say the word woodchipper once….

      1. This is why I dropped Sirius. Anthony Cumia was fired for being politically incorrect when that was his actual job.

        Siriusly fuck them.

        I was paying to hear free speech, that I couldn’t hear on ‘terrestrial’.

        1. Amen, sir. I cancelled after they fired Anthony too. I now have a new car with a free subscription still in effect and now I’m considering wasting some time calling them to end the remainder of a FREE term just to show them how I feel about their censorship. Too bad XM lost out, they were more open and uncensored.

  5. If nothing else, this shows just how quickly American politics have been scrambled.

    Strange bedfellows make for desperate times.

  6. Everyone kills Trump on their first trip.

    1. But the timeline always corrects itself.

      1. Only thanks to the tireless efforts of SilverFox316.

      2. That’s because Trump is the timeline convergence for derp … we are doomed.

    2. Like Hitler, they all show up at the same time and place and wind up shooting each other.

  7. Beck should have had the sense to immediately distance himself from the comment which was a thinly-veiled assassination fantasy. He should’ve seen this coming but, what can I say, the guy’s nuts.

    1. What about his nuts, you sicko?

      1. He just loves the balls! Lo-o-o-o-o-o-ves em!!

    2. Remember when everyone got this freaked out about all the G.W. Bush assassination fantasies? Me neither.

      1. There was actually a movie made.

        1. I remember, but that was different, because “art”.

        2. It even won awards.

          The Fourth Estate even agreed:

          http://www.thepiratescove.us/2…..-guardian/

          Pull quote: John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr ? where are you now that we need you?

    3. The Grinch says, “…thinly-veiled assassination fantasy.” So thinly veiled that there was no SS (Secret Service) investigation. The SS needs a Grinch like you on the job to read between the space between the lines between the space. I hear they are hiring.

      1. Lighten up Francis. I think suspending him is silly but Beck should have anticipated that the comment just might be construed that way and that a vocal group might just call for his scalp. Well, a jumpy corporation caved and they got it.

        1. What if he did anticipate it? Is the program on a delay? If so, is it long enough to dump that?

        2. Beck should have anticipated that the comment just might be construed that way and that a vocal group might just call for his scalp

          But Trump tells us not to give in to PC thugs who want to claim the right to say what is and what is not allowed to be said. Or is this one of those cases where it’s okay to be a whiny-ass bitch crybaby as long as you’re whiny-ass bitch crybabying on behalf of The Delicate-Handed One?

          1. Not a Trump supporter you dipshit. Beck should have known he’d get this reaction because that’s the world we live in, unfortunately. Saying a Trump critic fucked up isn’t synonymous with supporting Trump.

            1. Yes we should all cower and hide from the PC police. Self censorship to save our hides. Brave new world.

              1. My reaction to PC correct assholes is a strong desire to put my boot on their neck while they beg like wino for me to stop. They are without exception weak whiny little pussies without an ounce of courage amongst the lot of them.

          2. Whoops, I think I misread your comment. Sorry about the dipshit stuff.

    4. For Glenn Beck’s faults, he isn’t exactly a big advocate for violent action.

    5. So, where is the call for Hillary, Bernie and even the president, to “distance” themselves from the ACTUAL violence happening at Trump rallies from leftists?

  8. I’m pretty sure the founders of the country were involved in “extra-legal political action”. And at some point violence is justifiable. I don’t think assassinating the president (even if he did seize dictatorial powers) would be that effective or wise, though. A lot of other people have to cooperate for the president to be in that position in the first place. If it comes to that, you need to tear down the whole thing.

    1. I’M NOT ADVOCATING ASSASSINATING ANYONE.

      And as much as I dislike Trump, I don’t think he’s going to go full dictator.

      But you are right that assassination usually just makes things worse, as it gives the next guys in line an excuse to expand their power even further.

      1. Never let a crisis go to waste.

      2. I don’t think he’s going to go full dictator.

        Certainly no more than the alternative.

      3. he has already gone full retard

      4. What would really suck for so many neo cons, and many here also, it if trump actually wasn’t that bad and did some of the stuff he said he would do. But we can’t have that happening, it would ultimately show that career politicians and the “smart” elected cockroaches are irrelevant. And maybe we could finally get a true, Ron Paul-esc, libertarian as prez.

        1. That would be the Death of the President in the real.

        2. If Trump not being a career politician is your biggest complaint about Trump, you haven’t been paying attention. And that goes for whether you support the man or not.

          And if you don’t have *any* complaints about Trump, you *really* haven’t been paying attention.

  9. Now see, this is why we need hate speech laws. Otherwise these kinds of ideas will spread virally through the populace via social media and the youtubes.

  10. Brad Thor is a pants shitting idiot who writes crappy novels and Glen back is a complete lunatic. It seems a bit unfair for Sirius to suspend Beck here. He is not the one who said it and its not like everyone who listens to his show doesn’t know he is a lunatic who lost his mind sometime in the 00s. If Sirius is shocked by people saying crazy shit on their network, they did they hire Glen Beck?

    1. “If Sirius is shocked by people saying crazy shit on their network….”

      Not likely – they hired Howard Stern.

      1. Stern is just a self centered asshole who used to be funny. Beck is full on crazy.

    2. “Glen back”

      the rare 2 for 1

    3. I don’t know how Glen Beck’s show is structured, but it’s a little strange that if say, Larry King were interviewing a public figure, and that public figure said something that crossed a line, that they’d suspend Larry King’s show. I guess it’s presumed that what’s said on Glen Beck’s show is endorsed by Beck?

      1. To be clear, I should say “what’s said on Beck’s show by Beck’s guests is endorsed by Beck?”

      2. Not necessarily.

        If you invite someone in, be it to your house, to a party, or onto a radio program, you aren’t saying you endorse and support everything they say or do. But as the host, there is a presumption of responsibility. In this case, they aren’t suspending Beck because they necessarily believe he does (or doesn’t) support the guy’s statement, but because by inviting a guest that did that, and not sufficiently disavowing the guy, he showed poor judgement as a host.

        And as he is hosting on *their* network, his poor judgement reflects poorly on *them*. So the discipline. “Do better, or we’ll take away your platform”.

        To a degree it’s censorship, sure, but it’s also one of the arenas where that’s acceptable. After all, why people have Freedom of Speech, they do not have Entitlement to a Radio Program.

    4. It’s overkill to suspend him but he should’ve seen this coming and disavowed the comment immediately. It’s not surprising Sirius caved to people who were demanding his scalp.

      1. If he disavows it, doesn’t that push the interpret’n more towards assassination? I think he played the better percentage.

    5. They also explicitly were saying ‘what would happen if X occurred.’ If you say ‘if Trump suspended the Constitution, we would have to do something extra-legal in order to remove him from power,’ which is what they actually said, you are not just randomly calling for an assassination.

      They didn’t even say ‘we’d have to kill him.’ You can remove someone from power without shooting them.

      This is a total non-issue that got blown out of proportion by Trump supporters on Twitter

      1. This is a total non-issue that got blown out of proportion by Trump supporters on Twitter

        Trumptards whining and pitching a fit on Twitter? Must be a day that ends in “y”.

        1. They’re hypocritical, whiny-ass pussies who act tough but really just want a Daddy to take care of them.

      2. It is a big nothing. When you consider what has occurred over the last 8 years, Thor comes across as such an out of touch ass clown, I can’t imagine anyone taking him seriously. What exactly does Brad think a President Trump is going to do? Selectively enforce an entire class of federal laws because Congress refuses to amend them to his liking? Order the assassination of an American citizen? Have the ATF secretly send guns to Mexican drug gangs so that their presence there can be used as justification for gun control in the United States? Have the IRS target his political opponents? Have DOJ go after someone who made a critical film of him for violating the campaign finance laws where such activity is almost never criminally enforced?

        Notice, Thor never gives any actual examples of what exactly he thinks Trump will do much less explains how it will be any worse than what Obama has and is doing. He is just posing and feeling self important.

    6. The suspension is not about punishing Beck. It’s Sirius saying, “Hey, Secret Service, we’re REALLY opposed to shit like that, so please don’t sic a bunch of alphabet agencies on us for all the other things we may or may not be doing.”

    7. A few years ago they suspended Opie and Anthony after a crazy homeless bum they interviewed said he wanted to rape Condoleezza Rice a Laura Bush. Same deal – they had no idea what he was going to say on live radio.

  11. In what way is Beck responsible for the comments of someone being interviewed on his show?

    Was the guy reading copy off a teleprompter or from a script written by Beck or his staff?

    I don’t think so.

    1. have you not actually listened to Glenn Beck? he’s been dancing on this line for a decade.

      suffice it to say, Thor is lying and we all know he was talking about killing Trump. he should have been a man and owned up to it, though.

      1. This country was founded by people who removed a despotic government from power, so the idea that there’s something wrong with saying this is laughable.

        1. if there’s nothing wrong with it, why is Thor pussing out?

          1. Because he knows the time of Ragnarok has not yet arrived, as the Sons of Mim are not yet at play.

            1. #MakeAsgardGreatAgain

      2. No I have not listened to Glenn Beck.

      3. I have never heard of Glenn Beck ever advocating violent action.

    2. I think he was supposed to scream, “Not on my watch, Bucko!” and sacrifice Thor on the spot on an alter made of flags and a couple of desks from storage.

    3. Wasn’t reason responsible for woodchipper comments?

    4. In what way?

      He was the host. Presumably he chooses (or at least approves) the guests and topics.

      Consider if you invited a friend over to your house. Your friend gets drunk, pisses all over the bathroom floor, and falls asleep on your couch with his pants around his ankles. You may honestly be able to say “I didn’t expect any of that”, but you can bet that your (possibly hypothetical) wife/husband/significant other/roommate/dog will blame you for inviting them over int he first place.

      In short, when you invite someone into your house/party/radio show, you are taking some degree of responsibility for them being a good guest. If they betray that trust, it reflects poorly on *both* of you.

      Whether Brad Thor’s statements were legitimately bad enough is another topic, but generally speaking, that’s why you might punish a host for what their guests do.

  12. We are a republic?a nation of laws…

    That’s so cuuuuuute!

    1. Almost as funny as “it’s a free country!”

      1. My favorite line ever spouted by a politician: “The United States is the freest country in the history of the world”

  13. …what patriot will step up and do that?if, if, he oversteps his mandate as president? His constitutionally granted authority, I should say, as president. If he oversteps that, how do we get him out of office?”

    Considering the last several presidents have all overstepped their constitutionally granted authority and no “patriot” has stepped forward to stop them, I’d say the answer is “no one will.”

  14. We’d better stop celebrating Independence Day since apparently removing an oppressive government from power is something you aren’t supposed to celebrate in America anymore

    1. “I can’t wait for the sequel!” said Vivica A Fox and Brent Spiner.

  15. but it’s also true that there are forms of extralegal political action that stop well short of the Oswald option.

    Ah. This was all just a marketing ploy for Brad Thor’s upcoming thriller, “The Oswald Option.”

  16. Funny how they would want to remove (in whatever way) someone who was ELECTED to represent the country in office.

    Also, how is the Beck’s fault?

    1. He is Glenn Beck, and he is a weirdo, therefore he has to be at fault somehow.

      1. He also believes in God. So right there he must be evil in the eyes of much of the commentariat here.

  17. Brad Thor

    “What sluggards, what cowards have we have for patriots, who care nothing for their allegiance to their country. Who will rid America of this meddlesome reality TV star?”

    Go fuck yourself Brad. Seriously, go fuck yourself.

    1. Why doesn’t he do what he is saying instead of hiding behind a microphone?

      1. If he were to do something, maybe glenn beck will absolve his sins and send him straight to mormon heaven, or maybe beck will give him his own world to be god over.

        1. A little anti-Mormon bigotry there. Nice.

  18. Beck isn’t worth paying attention to, unless he’s revived his “Piss Obama” trolling gag again.

    1. They guy got fired from fox, how much of a screw up do you have to be to get fired from fox?

  19. Anyone read any of Thors books? I kinda burned out on the espionage thriller genre right before he hit my radar so I never read any, a friend of mine recommends them but his tastes are suspect.

    1. Read one, it sucked so bad I’ll never read another. Written for sixth graders and retards who have never read anything but Harry Potter.

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  21. Factually speaking, the country has rapidly expanded socialist programs since we stopped assassinating presidents.

    1. We also have failed to get rid of a bonafide communist regime 90 miles from our shores since then. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!

      1. Well, our communist leader has tried to befriend their communist leader recently.

    2. How do you know we stopped?

      We are overdue for a death in office I guess. For a long time it happened reliably every 30 years or so. Reagan broke the trend by not dying when he was shot.

  22. I’m having trouble deciding which side I like less in this argument, but I really hate this reading between the lines shit.

    1. At least nobody is crying about how a private corporation is stifling the First Amendment. At least not yet.

  23. I heard that segment reproduced a couple hrs. ago on another radio program w/o comment, just introduced as the bit that got Glenn Beck suspended. Yes, someone could reasonably construe that as contingent advocacy of assassination?or not. I mean, either understanding would be reasonable. But what I don’t get is why Sirius-XM would suspend Glenn Beck for something said by someone he was interviewing. Glenn Beck didn’t seem to add anything that would say he‘d favor assassination, even if his guest did.

    1. Never question Dear Leader citizen, EVER!

    2. Because if Beck put this guy on the air to say that, tomorrow he might put someone else on the sir to say something just as bad. This is a time out in the corner to show him that this is not acceptable behavior.

    3. Because hosts are responsible for their guest’s behavior. When a guest behaves badly, it reflects poorly on the host. And when a radio program has a bad segment, it reflects poorly on the station.

      And seeing as the station has an interest in that *not* happening, they take action against who they *can* take action against, the host.

      It’s comparable to if you invited over a friend who managed to offend your wife/husband/roommate/dog. Even if you didn’t participate, by inviting over the lout you’ll be in trouble with your wife/husband/roommate/dog for your poor judgement.

  24. Never question Dear Leader or the Branch Trumpdavidians will have you censored, or killed if they can manage it.

  25. Somehow, some way, the fault that right-wingers have gone completely out of their minds lies with rape victim advocates on college campuses. Robby Soave, can you tell us why liberals are such assholes that they would get Glenn beck fired?

  26. If he had said that we should throw Obama and Lois Lerner into a woodchipper that would have been ok. This particular circumstance though is unacceptable so I support Sirius XM– even if they are violating Glenn Beck’s 1st Amendment rights.

    1. Poe or sincere? It’s hard to tell.

      On the off-chance this comment was sincere: First amendment protects against government censorship. Seeing as Sirius is not the government, it is wholey within their rights to suspend one of their radio programs without violating anyone’s rights.

  27. Who will rid Cucks of this troublesome presidential candidate?

  28. I don’t even thing Beck is getting an unplanned vacation. Sirius might be able to suspend him from satellite radio, but his terrestrial radio syndicator has not yet made any announcements, so I suspect the program will continue.

    I tried Beck for three weeks about seven years ago, but gave up after too many coming apocalypse rants. Sometimes he had interesting commentary, but then it would veer off into Armageddon.

    1. His show is also carried on The Blaze TV. Which he owns. So I’m pretty sure he isn’t going to suspend himself.

  29. So saying “the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” gets you put on a list? What about ” when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security”? Or “is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” – is that an unspeakable sentiment? What kind of limp-wristed pantywaisted shrinking violet thinks the idea “you know, there might come a time when we might have to kill somebody” is a forbidden thought?

    1. The last time people tried to throw off a government with at long train of abuses and usurpations was the 1860s, and we see how strong the federal gov’t became after that.

  30. sadly, my show was cancelled because i wondered about the same thing. they said it was because i only had three listeners, but i know the real reason!

  31. RE: SiriusXM Suspends Glenn Beck for Brad Thor’s Comments on Trump; Brad Thor Responds to His Critics

    It is always wise to suspend someone else for someone else’s comments.
    That is one of the key tenets of socialist thought.
    Responsibility is for the little people.

  32. As Thor noted , it’s a fiction writer’s extreme hypothetical .

    And it’s already counterfactual with the presence of Libertarian Johnson&Weld; ticket .

    The censorship is unconscionable .

  33. Obozo has repeatedly overstepped his authority, as did Bush (to a lesser extent).

    Lincoln overstepped his Constitutional authority – and Booth responded appropriately (albeit, about 3 years too late).

    Let’s be honest here: The purpose of the Second Amendment is precisely so that the People can overthrow oppressive government. The Constitution is the contract between the government and the People. If the government (including the Supreme Court) breaches the contract, there is no court, no higher power, to appeal to other than the court of public opinion and the power of violent armed revolution.

    And yes, that includes assassination.

    But why don’t we deal with elected officials who have overstepped their authority first – and worry about “what if” when it becomes reality?

    1. If the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is “so that the People can overthrow oppressive government”, then you need more then small and long arms. Until I see people talking about the right of private individuals to own tanks, SAM batteries, and Hellfire missiles, I can’t take this interpretation seriously, because the people claiming it aren’t taking it seriously.

      1. This is so untrue.

        The right of the second, at the time, was limited by reality to small arms, tanks didn’t exist obviously. However, over the years, it was seen as encompassing the idea that the people should have access to those means which would provide them the ability to resist, not necessarily “invade” “occupy” or some other heavy lifting. Small arms have allowed people over the last hundred years to rise up against their governments even if they were, at first, outgunned. Syrian rebels started with small arms. Once an insurrection starts, larger arms will become available through various channels. But in order to start an insurrection small arms are a near necessity.

        And a rebellious action against the state may not be full on war with jets like you seem to imply it must. It could simply be defending your home or land from an overreaching agent in slacks who also carries nothing more than a clipboard and a threat of force against your rights.

        So until you would like to be intellectually honest and stop being obtuse… I will continue to discount your flaccid criticism of my right to my guns.

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  35. Sirius can be shut down in an hour by either Congress or the owner of the satellites that broadcast Sirius’ programming. One phone call from a congress critter and Sirius’ executives will need new underwear. Given this, how much worse would it be for them if Trump became president? Does anyone believe that Trump would hesitate to take revenge on a company that allowed the idea of assassinating a tyrant to be broadcast?

    It is the obvious fact that Trump would annihilate anyone standing between him and absolute power that made Sirius suspend Beck. The American caudillo has already succeeded in step one of his plan to remake America – he has intimidated a source of information.

    Thor is right about Trump being America’s tyrant-in-waiting and that Congress will do nothing. Americans have always longed for a tyrant – FDR, Wilson, Lincoln. The small percentage of the population that supports liberty has managed to impede potential tyrants by getting them to fight each other. However, this strategy fails ever so often and 2016 appears to be another “Year of the Tyrant”.

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  37. A few months ago Beck was accused of threatening to harm Trump…when in fact he was making a joke about beating up one of his co-hosts.

    This was Sirius getting freaked out and jumping to conclusions without listening to the statement in its full context. I listen to Beck’s show, and I knew Thor was not saying someone should go out and assassinate Trump — what he was saying was that he was worried that Trump had dictatorial tendencies (which I think he does), might exercise them by suspending parts of the Constitution (unlikely, except maybe with regards to his claims about opening up libel laws), and the Republicans in Congress, just happy to have one of theirs back in the Oval Office, wouldn’t stop him (I really hope not).

    I don’t think any President will out-and-out say “Yeah, we’re doing away with the Constitution”. Presidents will do like Obama and others before him and simply whittle away at the safeguards bit by bit until some years down the road it no longer exists as a functioning document. Isolated violations have happened for a long time, but the steady dismantling has been going on since Wickard v. Filburn.

    1. Nixon implemented wage and price controls by executive fiat. There are ample precedents for Trump and Hillary to assume dictatorial powers over the economy. Truman, FDR, Lincoln and Wilson all did this by declaring an emergency of one sort or another. They all used war as the excuse but you don’t need a shooting war since we now have wars on poverty, drugs and terrorism.

      Will the Supreme Court stop a tyrant. History says no. Why? Paraphrasing Stalin “How many divisions does the Supreme Court have?”

      1. Reading Ex parte Merryman and Ex parte Milligan in law school sucked — you go through high school thinking of Lincoln as a high moral bar for this country, and then you learn even he ignored liberty when it suited him.

    2. Sirius misused it’s “Jumps to Conclusions” mat?

  38. It is interesting to learn who makes up the Republican establishment. Support Trump or not, he has revealed the players. Who would have thought after all that bitching about the establishment, that Beck is a card carrying member feverishly protecting the status quo vs the rank and file. The rank and file have spoken in record numbers and if you are not with them, you are the establishment. No other way to look at it. If Beck being an insane crackpot was not enough for you to stop listening, perhaps him being a card carrying member of the Republican establishment will be enough.

  39. new libertarian moment is coming up on Monday. History channel is doing barbarians rising. The ultimate anachists.

  40. Roots goes with out question. Its right in our whellhouse.

  41. And its really good movies wize and the message is tots libertarian.

  42. I know im not the first person to follow libertarianism to its logical conclusion. Its totes obvious that libertarianism must lead u to anarcho capitalism.

  43. i chalk it up that most people dont work with markets first hand like i do.

  44. i have worked directly with markets for 13 years. Undergrad i was an econ major and graduated with honors. Im currently in business school.

    I KNOW markets. Goddamn it.

  45. high frequency trading had had the stock market for too long. Tape reading and bullets only lasted for five years.
    HFT have had the market for ten. And they make way more money. Computer geeks control ure investments.

  46. the market will alays be rigged and contloled. dick grasso former chairman of the nyse made 333 mil. Make sure the torch guess passed from theif to theif. The current theives hft have had too long a reign. The high freuqueny traders have had it for ten years. Its time those criminals get lifted.

  47. i will challenge any hft trader to claim he is not immoral right now. Prob no legally a criminal.
    but close cuz they pay off the regulators.

  48. high frequency trading is corrupt as Washington

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