Was Yesterday's SCOTUS Decision in Zubik a Win for Religious Liberty? You Bet It Was
That this case got as far as it did is an indictment of the Obama administration.


Yesterday the Supreme Court shocked most everyone by handing down a decision in Zubik v. Burwell (better known as the Little Sisters of the Poor case). This was unexpected because hot-button rulings often come late in the Court's term—Hobby Lobby v. Burwell, which decided a similar question two years ago, was announced on June 30 even though it, like this one, was argued in March.
The justices' decision here was also surprising for its unanimity. The more liberal wing was widely expected to side with the Obama administration in affirming the Health and Human Services (HHS) contraception mandate as not violating the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). In the absence of a full bench, a 4–4 split would have upheld the four lower courts' rulings against the Catholic nuns who have become the face of this controversy and the other six petitioners (including Pittsburgh Bishop David Zubik). This was what people overwhelmingly predicted would happen after the conservative Justice Antonin Scalia passed away in February.
But the Supreme Court didn't split 4–4; instead, the eight justices all agreed to vacate the lower courts' ruling, remanding the case back down to be heard again in light of the "clarification and refinement in the positions of the parties" that have emerged.
This has been widely described as "punting" on the question at hand. And in a sense that's right—the justices explicitly said they were declining "to decide whether petitioners' religious exercise has been substantially burdened, whether the Government has a compelling interest, or whether the current regulations are the least restrictive means of serving that interest."
But really that's a lot of hogwash. As David French wrote at National Review, "Speaking as a person who's argued a few cases in courts of appeal — when the court vacates the ruling you're challenging, that's a win."
Whether the justices want you to see it this way or not, their decision amounts to a ruling against the government, which argued that (a) the HHS "accommodation" offered to the Little Sisters and the other religious nonprofits doesn't substantially burden their religious exercise; and (b) even if it does, it's the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling government interest of providing free and seamless contraception coverage to the employees of religious nonprofits.
How do I know the Court believes there are less burdensome ways to achieve that end? Because it already proposed one and got both sides to agree to it.
In the days following oral arguments, the justices took the unusual step of asking the parties to the suit to provide "supplemental briefs" specifically addressing whether the outcome the administration wants could be accomplished without any involvement from the religious employers. Both the petitioners and the government answered that an arrangement whereby the insurance company, and not the employer, is responsible for making the coverage available through a separate plan would be acceptable.
This is the "new development" the Court is using to justify returning the case to the lower courts. In essence, it got the administration to formally concede there are less restrictive ways to make sure women have seamless access to free birth control (which it reluctantly acknowledged despite the solicitor general having spent his oral argument time rigidly insisting that there could be no possible other method of achieving the government's end).
In challenging the "accommodation," the petitioners were saying they could not in good conscience take the affirmative step of notifying the government about their refusal to provide contraception coverage, because they knew that doing so would trigger the government to force their insurance providers to offer the coverage anyway. This would make them complicit in a sinful act. The result of this ruling is that they almost certainly won't have to do the thing to which they were strongly on moral grounds opposed.
That the administration has spent the last four years threatening these seven religious nonprofits with millions of dollars in punitive fines when it now admits the groups' involvement in providing this coverage isn't even necessary is at best an indictment of the judgment of the left—and at worst an indictment of its motives.
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Is this the PM link?
I guess Soave is on PM link duty today.
He's not budging until he gets his latte and new can of hair spray.
That's a latte cocktail.
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Link or in the pink. Take your pick.
I choose stink.
Safe word is "ragnorak". Let us begin. *starts quoting last Sugarfree post
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Excellent article.
Thanks Slade.
And she provided her own illustrating photograph.
She has hit a few out of the park recently. I think she's a good counterbalance to some of the dreck Reason has been putting out lately. Lenore has been doing a great job, too. (ENB is usually better than average, too, but I haven't read an article of hers in a while, except for the beer one) Reason's best writers are all women!
What about Jesse Walker?
I for one don't suffer the PM link addiction my cohorts suffer.
Suck ass.
If I don't social-signal that now, then when?
Why would you signal that you suck?
Because then no one would know.
Wouldn't they?
Are you saying you already knew? What are you, Kreskin?
Neither do I. *Twitches intermittently; sweat drips from brow.*
Maybe this will help...(he kinda looks like Milo)
Milo
My dislike for you is increasing, bacon-magic.
If you belong anywhere, bm, I suppose that you belong at H&R.
Thanks! I love you too, and your little orphans.
Is he the one with the orphan army?
Bm belongs in the toilet. Or on Crusty's chest.
Milo
The Robby value ranking:
(Check hair in mirror, refill cocktail, open sunroof to run wind through hair, check hair in mirror, go through alt-text hall of fame, drop a deuce, check hair in mirror, finish cocktail, PM links)
The ghost of Antonin Scalia at work.
Let's make our own LINKS, shall we?
http://fox2now.com/2016/05/12/.....et-quotas/
UNPOSSIBLE!!! I've benn told by law enforcement on numerous occasions that ticket quotas do not, nor have they ever, existed.
Here in Montreal they admitted there is one.
And you can tell when it's that time of the month. The streets are suddenly filled with cop cars. Funny that.
You need Midol for pigs.
Ah, yes. The influx of cops on the streets pulling people over during the last week of the month has always been a mystery to me.
"Timbits are for closers!"
* been
"Both the petitioners and the government answered that an arrangement whereby the insurance company, and not the employer, is responsible for making the coverage available through a separate plan would be acceptable."
Isn't that judicial activism--the Court fishing for a preferred revision? Don't you need an act of Congress to change the ACA like that?
Why couldn't the Court just have affirmed the First Amendment?
Why is it soooooo crazy for the Court to say that the ACA infringes on these nuns' free exercise rights?
I'd ask, "What is it about the ACA that makes the Court so meek in defending our Constitutional rights against it?", but that isn't the real question. The real question is, "What is wrong with the Court that makes it so meek in defending dour Constitutional rights against the ACA?"
Why not just write the ACA into the Constitution itself and be done with it? The employer mandates are a disgrace, the penaltax is a standing joke, and the exchanges continue to implode. Some states will only have one option on the exchange next year. Why is the Court walking around the ACA like they're on eggshells?
The real question is, "What is wrong with the Court that makes it so meek in defending dour Constitutional rights against the United States Government?"
This is a question I and other individuals have been asking for quite some time, Ken.
Why couldn't the Court just have affirmed the First Amendment? There are occasions that it almost seems as if many of them are pro-statist shills.
Obama has pictures.
We as a society have not yet evolved to the point where what it is John Roberts is doing in those pictures is even within the scope of what is out-of-bounds in this society. (If Sugarfree and Agile ever got together and started swapping stories and consumables the two of them might be able to come up with a hint of what's in the pictures, provided this year's mescaline crop has been particularly high-quality.)
That's the only explanation I can think of, anyways.
"when the court vacates the ruling you're challenging, that's a win."
Exactly. Like evacuating your bowels.
Megyn Kelly: 'I shoved my hands up in Trump's hair'
He is so alpha.
Did you see the link to Nude Yoga, CJ?
As one of my old co-workers would frequently (in a rising voice) inquire of us when a potential client arrived at the office: "Wouldja Wouldya Wouldja?"
He had about 40% of SugarFree's imagination, which he also enjoyed sharing at seemingly random intervals.
"But not on his head"
A short video clip from the older show shows the bottle blonde stunner beaming as she questions the Manhattan mogul about his trademark locks.
bottle blonde stunner
Nice album name.
The bottle blonde stunner sounds like Luna's finishing move.
Or maybe bonde stunner is a good name for a microbrew.
Bottle Blondie, the all trans Blondie cover band.
"Ass of glass" really rolls off the tongue, and brings back memories of shock sites.
"whereby the insurance company, and not the employer, is responsible for making the coverage available through a separate plan"
You can pay a $500 premium for $300 worth of birth control pills. Or you could just pay for the birth control yourselves and cut out the middleman. Insurance is for large unexpected expenditures.
I know we will have reached utopia when my car insurance covers gas, tires, and windshield wipers.
Your carrier has no business denying you access to those things.
You're only being denied when there's no reasonable expectation that you can pay for it yourself
it really is insane. why on earth go through all these legal shenanigans so you can add a middleman to your supply chain? also, re the college sex assault scare, is it a woman's choice to have sex or not? or maybe there's some new way to get pregnant.
The woman who got pregnant from anal sex
What happened when American Bikers United Against Jihad rode into Islamberg, N.Y.
Get those browns!
Oh...
The media is so desperate for white supremacists they'll write stories about 15 guys riding around being kind of dickish and accomplishing nothing
Riding around to a location in the middle of nowhere.
It's like kristallnacht all over again
They're so desperate for white supremacists, they're actually inventing them.
"It really showed how a lot of people really feel," Shane Coakley said. "The blacks are afraid."
Afraid of who? Thin, effeminate white hipsters that you could knock over with a feather duster? It's Seattle, for fuck's sake.
According to the article, Paul, the bag of garments included a "KKK robe with patches, a rope and a hood" (if you watch the video you'll certainly see the robe in question).
I know the article, I know the story, I know the entire background and foreground. And it's not an article, it's been an ongoing fucking front page series. On this one event. A story where (if you read the article) there was zero evidence whatsoever that the robe meant anything. It was a bag of clothing left in a used clothing store, one of the items turned out to be a KKK robe. Yet the entire incident has been treated as a sinister attack on this woman's shop, resulting in the woman closing her store.
Yet this story made every major news outlet including international sources.
A story where (if you read the article) there was zero evidence whatsoever that the robe meant anything.
Paul,
I think I understand your opinion regarding ... this story made every major news outlet including international sources and in addition have the sense that you think the store owner and media sources seem to have overreacted.
Regardless, the robe in and of itself does have meaning, and those who don it wear it for that meaning.
Determining whether or not it (and the hood and rope) was intentionally included in the bag with the other clothing is what the police investigated.
Would you at minimum agree that these items are paraphernalia of white supremacists?
Would you at minimum agree that these items are paraphernalia of white supremacists?
I would agree that the Robe is in the style of a KKK robe, a known white supremacist organization. What the media has done here is rush to the story in hopes to find a white supremacist, then filling the articles with countless non-sequiturs.
Fact: A robe resembling a KKK robe was found in a bag in a used clothing store. No one, including the detectives, reporters or the store owner can identify by name, or by description any white supremacists. The white supremacists for the story become the non-sequiturs. "Hate exists". Yep, what does that have to do with the robe? "This proves we need a discussion about race!" Does it? Why? Show your work.
There is exactly as much evidence that this was a "message sent to the store" as there is some old hollywood prop closet was cleaned out and they threw in an old movie costume. Read: none.
There is exactly as much evidence that this was a "message sent to the store" as there is some old hollywood prop closet was cleaned out and they threw in an old movie costume. Read: none.
Once again, I think I understand your impression that there was an overemphasis by media outlets and I also can see how you arrived at the idea that the store owner overreacted to a threat that in your opinion did not exist.
If you had been the individual intending to sell the dresses and other garments in the bag, do you think you would you have included the "old movie props" when you filled the bag?
If you had been the individual intending to sell the dresses and other garments in the bag, do you think you would you have included the "old movie props" when you filled the bag?
If I'm pouring out trunks of clothing into bags, not looking at each garment, with the intention of getting rid of it after say a homeowner dies, then absolutely. 100%. Because I've done exactly that.
It seems to me that you're kind of assuming that the garment was indeed known to be in there and known to be a threat. And there is exactly 0 evidence of that. It's a total and complete assumption.
It's not my opinion that there's a non-existent threat, it's that there is no evidence whatsoever to assume a threat. Believing in any way it was a threat is the very definition of assuming facts not in evidence.
If someone had thrown a brick through the store window with a note that read "All niggers must hang" we could reasonably infer a threat from that, and identify the hate group/white supremacist, if not by name but by description: the individual(s) who threw the brick.
In this case, no one can identify the white supremacist, either by name or by description. Was it the person who left the bag? Was it the father of the person who left the bag? Was it the friend of the father who left the bag? Were the bags left unattended at any time by any of the above parties?
I just want to point out that most modern discourse is entirely unable to recognize such nuance.
Back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
If I'm pouring out trunks of clothing into bags, not looking at each garment, with the intention of getting rid of it after say a homeowner dies, then absolutely. 100%. Because I've done exactly that.
Paul,
I have had the responsibility on occasion, both appropriate and unfortunate, of going through the belongings of deceased relatives (and other individuals for whom I cared to varying degrees).
I think that you would agree that this is far from a pleasant experience.
If, while doing so, I had seen such items as are described and shown via the link you provided, these items would have roused me from my familial or custodial duties, and I would have paused and given thought to their proper place.
Had you seen the rope, hood, and robe resembling a KKK robe, would you have removed them before taking them to a consignment store, regardless if it was Ms. Coakley-Spring's?
Well, so much for that.
Speaking of bikes, what a waste. Only the government would do something like this.
http://nbc4i.com/2016/05/17/cr.....de-cycles/
The cycles are renegade?
Destruction is all they know.
Are ATV and minibike riders required to wear DOT motorcycle helmets? I wear a bicycle helmet when riding my dirtbike because I'm seldom going more than 25MPH.
I had a job where I had to work on an Air Force base. Although the base-wide speed limit was 25MPH as a motorcycle rider I had to wear a DOT helmet, jacket, full pants, boots and gloves. I was often passed by bicyclists wearing little more than a bike helmet and spandex shorts.
Motorcycles are scary!
... Hobbit
Nanny state gets sneaky.
TIL Lindsay Graham was jilted by a croupier
No PM links? OK, I'll put this here.
MA trooper involved in beating was suspended with pay
A 32-year-old Massachusetts state trooper involved in the arrest and beating of a man in Nashua after a high-speed chase Wednesday was suspended with pay after a hearing Friday.
Wonder if Biden knows that this ice cream shop had to shut down twice last year for listeria.
http://nbc4i.com/2016/05/17/vi.....ice-cream/
Energy dept launches five new sites to train soldiers in the solar industry.
(nothing left to cut)
Thus adding to civilian unemployment.
The 5 types of Trump supporters
And two of them are libertarian!
I'm an arsonist because burning down the cucks at RedState is just gravy.
(That should cover two)
Everyday that I see more progressive social engineering idiocy, I warm more and more for a Trump presidency.
Reposting, because I think it is interesting, and I am the one who links: Columbia University to Open a First Amendment War Room
Gentlemen, you can't fight here, this war room is a safe space!
So we're just not getting links tonight?
Can we separate health insurance from employment and end all this bullshit already?
There is no benefit to this system.
^ This
^ This x 1000
Just let insurance commissioner Hihn explain it to you, you right wing Paulite 9th amendment denier!
'Feminist' T-Shirt Top Selling Item at Park Slope Boutique
Saw one at work last week. I work a few blocks away.
Does it come in a wife-beater version?
Oh I get it! The thin gold lettering is in reference to the Gilded Age, which feminism has largely to thank, due to the reduced reliance on men as laborers and the increased equality of opportunity brought by technology and innovation. Clever!
We gave them the vote and they took away our whiskey!
I don't like the font.
Dowdy Old Style
That's why.
"...it's the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling government interest of providing free and seamless contraception coverage to the employees of religious nonprofits."
Exactly when did it become a "compelling government interest" to provide "free and seamless contraception coverage" to anyone? Hell, it wasn't even "compelling" enough for Congress itself to put "free and seamless contraception coverage" into the statute itself. It was Obama's minions in DHHS who decided that "free and seamless contraception coverage" should be part of Obamacare coverage.
And what is this "free" nonsense? If you don't have to cut a check to the IRS in April, does that mean your taxes were free despite having had money withheld all year? So they bake the money, plus no doubt a hefty overhead, into your premium. Yay, free contraception.
This debate is goddamn retarded.
And all this is about nuns. Nuns!
Expecting free anything is a bad habit to develop.
They wanted free nothing, and got a face full for their troubles.
OT - in NYC, if you own a business or even are a customer of one, you will be made to care what pronouns people want you to use on pain of fines. Libertarian moment if I've ever seen one!
http://tinyurl.com/zp5ns6q
I would prefer "I'm an asshole". That way every time they addressed me I get to hear them tell me that they are an asshole.
THE BLAME GAME INTENSIFIES
I blame Tonio. Yesterday he got aware of the content of the upcoming PM links several minutes before they got posted. Apparently it broke the space time continuum.
Tonio is Robby?
Tonio is Robby who is Milo?
That is one serious case of multiple personality.
Maybe they posted PM links and he just happened to be in the right place at the right time, then the post disappeared. I'm not sure how many times I've seen that happen around here, but it's more than a few. Of course the only time it never reappeared sometime later, was the infamous greatest post of all time.
Sitting here with Fox on in the background. Hillary and the Berninator are neck and neck in KY, only 2% in. Of course, everyone knows even if he beats her in a another landslide, as always she gets just as many delegates. How does that work? The commie can't even win if he wins. Capitalism must be to blame.
No lynx! No piece (of cake)!
Revered comedienne Hillary Clinton will join new Ghosbusters cast on Ellen DeGeneres show
Who cares if the government has been concealing information about UFOs or aliens landing at Area 51? We need their dirt on all the ghosts. Have you seen Ghost Hunters? They find evidence of supernatural infestation 100 percent of the time. That percentage is simply too high. Hopefully Hillary Clinton and the cast of Ghostbusters can get to the bottom of America's secret wraith problem when they all appear on Ellen Wednesday, May 25. And really, if the choice was between calling the Ghostbusters and calling Hillary Clinton, you know Hillary would bust your ghost in a shorter amount of time with minimal hilarious banter. Plus she probably has a less obtrusive car.
Paging Mr. Barfman.
Flip-side: Angry Video Game Nerd refuses to review new movie
Traditional Russian folk song. Would give the female member a piece of my blin.
Them be pirates and scalawags!
We used to listen to that song on this record.
Maybe Grand Mufti Obama told the leftists in black robes to give the nuns a break this time so as not to further inflame the crazy clingers right before an election. Then told them 'Don't worry, after the election, we'll them them, run them over a cliff when they're in a bus holding babies'.
Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman!!
" it's the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling government interest of providing free and seamless contraception coverage"
I'm not seeing the compelling part.
Compelling belongs in scare quotes. A "compelling" government interest is whatever the SCOTUS wants it to be.
I can't believe you don't see the government's interest in me wearing a rubber thingy on the end of my dingy as compelling.
I can wear a rubber thingy on the end of my dingy if I want to--that's what being a progressive is all about!
Without the mandate there's no conflict between the parties and no case to be brought. Just give people their freaking paychecks and let them buy what they want.
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How are the Senators supposed to engage in *their* constitutional duty to advise and consent?
"W. Neil Eggleston"
Wonder how many wedgies' he got growing up.
Go fuck a goat you fascist old piece of shit.
Essentially, the state has a legitimate interest
Begs the question. And even if true wouldn't create the dilemma you propose (a conflict of rights). The state doesn't have rights. The question is one of a limit of powers.
Also, you're a senile fascist old piece of shit. Go fuck a goat.
which is why ONLY humans can have pleasure even when procreation is impossible.
Painfully irrelevant, as always, but also incorrect. Although the goats you fuck probably don't enjoy it that much.
I'm starting to see why you lost in your bid for insurance commissioner.
Btw, if the fascist senile old piece of shit comes back and corpse fucks this thread again in another 6-8 hours, somebody owes me a Coke.
Dude, your shit's all retarded and you talk like a fag.
No, dipshit, because he refuses to admit that a blatantly unconstitutional law is in fact unconstitutional. You really are pathetic.
The Hihntard can't seem to understand that the Constitution does not actually say "shall make no law except in the case where the government claims a legitimate interest." Because he's suffering from dementia.
Speaking of bowel-evacuate...
Have you noticed there are things that trigger Mike Hihn into action? It's like BigT pressed the little red button and Hihn came leaping out from behind the bushes (God that metaphor was awful).
There is more than one decision available. The case hinges on the "government's compelling interest in providing free and seamless delivery of contraceptives." Say what?
Prove that their is no compelling government interest here (as is done is many cases) and this case falls apart. People get paychecks for their work. There's no reason for their employer to be required to provide additional benefits above that.
Looks like you're owed that Coke.
Unalienable means "unable to be taken away." What the fuck are you talking about? You are seriously retarded.
Why are you so obsessed with Ron Paul? You're the only one bringing up his name rather than actually arguing the point. "Tell that to Ron Paul" is the dumbest fucking response to his gripe.
You're an incredible pain in the ass. Why do you come here? You bring nothing of value, everyone hates you, and your diatribes are routinely ignored. Why don't you make better use of your time? Perhaps some ducks need feeding.
ADD MIHCEAL HINH TO IDIOTS WHO CANT ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTION ABOUT PAULISTA CULT OBSESSION!
You made absolutely zero sense, and completely ignored what I said. You're the worst kind of dipshit.
I'll try to dumb it down.
Michael Hinh:
Me:
Feel free to try to bold-yell your way out of that one.
Someone had to check to see what shenanigans you'd pull. In fact, I'm back again, to keep an eye on your necrophilia.
Who the fuck are you even talking to a this point? It's as if you're justifying yourself to the voices in your head.