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Sanders Voters for Trump

Why would a Donald Trump fan vote for Bernie Sanders? Here are some possibilities...

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When Bernie Sanders won yesterday's West Virginia primary, preliminary exit polls showed the socialist senator leading Hillary Clinton among voters who want the Democratic Party to be more liberal, 72 percent to 25 percent. It also showed him leading her among voters who want the Democratic Party to be less liberal, 62 percent to 29 percent.

This combination of results may look odd, but there are several reasonable ways to explain it. One is that Hillary Clinton, who infamously announced that she would "put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," just isn't very popular in West Virginia. Another is that many West Virginia voters may have a different understanding of what liberal means than the typical D.C.-based reporter. (If you're both pro-gun and pro-union, for example, you might be hostile to "liberals" but still prefer Sanders to Clinton.) Needless to say, there's no reason why both of these can't be true.

And then there is one more factor to consider. Those West Virginia exit polls show a plurality of the primary's Sanders voters—44 percent—planning to vote for Donald Trump in November. Obviously, this is consistent with the theory that they simply don't like Clinton, but it goes further than that. Nearly 40 percent of the Bernie backers say they'll vote for Trump even if he's running against Sanders.

Why would a Trump supporter ask for a Democratic ballot? Perhaps he wants to vote in a downticket Democratic race and figures that at this point Trump doesn't need his help. Perhaps trade is his top issue, and he finds both Trump and Sanders acceptable. Or perhaps he just really can't stand Hillary Clinton. I know that some Sanders/Trump voters fall into the last group, because I've met one of them—not in West Virginia but in one of the states next door. Meet Bob Hirsch, a retired cable installer from Carlisle, Pennsylvania:

What about Bob?
Jesse Walker

I met Hirsch last month in the parking lot of the Farm Show Complex and Expo Center in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. I was there to cover a Trump rally, and Hirsch was there to hear Trump speak. He supports Trump. You can tell from his truck:

Eat your heart out, Merry Pranksters.
Jesse Walker

No, it doesn't look like that every day. He gave it a special paint job for the rally.

Hirsch is drawn to Trump's positions on trade and abortion, and he intends to vote for him in November. But in the Pennsylvania primary—in the vote that had actually brought Trump to town—Hirsch told me he was going to vote for Bernie Sanders. Even though he didn't much care for Sanders. He just didn't want Clinton to win:

I doubt that a lot of voters made that calculation. I went to three Trump rallies and spoke with a lot of people, and Hirsch was the only one who told me anything like that. But in West Virginia, it looks like there may have been more than a few Democrats like him.

Now if someone could just explain the 9 percent of yesterday's Hillary Clinton voters who say they're going to back Trump in the fall…

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  1. And Trump is catching up with Clinton in the polls.

    http://www.reuters.com/article…..SKCN0Y21TN

    1. Stop that. The narrative on Reason is that Trump will inevitably lose in the most historic landslide defeat ever. And that even if he happened to win, he’d be the worst thing that ever happened to the Libertarian movement, even worse than Clinton herself.

      1. The narrative on Reason is that Trump will inevitably lose in the most historic landslide defeat ever.

        Eh. I work for Reason, and I prefer to define my own narratives. I think Clinton is more likely to win than to lose, but at this point nothing is inevitable. And I strongly doubt the results will be more lopsided than in 1972 or 1984.

        That said, I’d be wary of the new polls. Trump is now the presumptive nominee of his party, while the Democrats are still fighting among themselves. And despite the stuff I described in this post, I think more Sanders voters nationally are going to fall in behind Clinton than Trump.

        1. Right on.

          And yeah, I agree with you that most Sanders supporters will invariably wander back over to Hillary’s camp. Claiming they’ll vote for Trump is more likely their signaling discontent with her coronation.

          1. Trump can attract Bernie supporters with this:

        2. I think the Sanders voters are more likely to stay home than vote for Clinton.

          1. Plenty will stay home, but many will still recognize it’s in their Proggy self-interest to vote for Clinton even if they hate her.

            1. Just as many Republicans can’t stand the idea of Hillary in the White House, many Bernie Democrats will be too horrified by the thought of Trump. Same shit, even with these uniquely terrible candidates.

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          1. I know. These idiots are getting so numerous that it’s getting pretty tiring to abuse them.

            1. A man of your legendary stamina… tiring of abusing people.

              Truly, these are the end days.

            2. I saw a great remark (Glenn Reynolds) about Trump that could also apply to the phanatique Trumpenvolk…

              It’s hard to get inside the decision loop of a guy who doesn’t know what he’ll do next himself.

              1. You know that is what they teach in air to air combat. Don’t you?

    2. I hate Trump, but anyone who thought he couldn’t beat Clinton after his primary performance is an idiot. Remember when Reason was like “Trump will totally get crushed because Clinton has a 13 point lead!?” I got criticized by people who want to bury their heads in the sand because I pointed out that Sanders was down 50 points to Clinton in July and wound up within 4 points of her nationally.

      Clinton is one of the worst presidential candidates in US history. Pretty much anyone can beat Clinton given her total lack of political instincts.

      1. She is the Den version of the typical GOP “his turn” candidate.

        She is Bob Dole.

        1. Without the experience.

          1. Without the integrity. (And Dole had very little.)

            1. …or the charisma.

              1. *hands Hildog bottle of Alloe*

          2. Hillary has lots of experience. First Lady. US Senator. Secretary of State. Feminist.

            In every one of these roles, she failed miserably.

            As first lady, she demonstrated herself to be an intolerable hag, a conjurer of spirits, a congenital liar, and an abuser of power and privilege.

            As senator, she voted for Iraq War II. Enough said.

            As secretary of state, she was the destroyer of nations and murderess of thousands. She presided over a profound worsening of US relations with China and Russia. Even more amazing is the simultaneous worsening of relations with both the Arabs and the Israelis during her tenure as SoS. Even her own flaks couldn’t think of a single accomplishment when asked by the media.

            As feminist, she protected her rapist-husband from his victims and acted viciously to destroy them. A regular Tammy Wynette.

            1. In other words, Hillary will fail miserably as the first woman president.

              Okay, I’m on board. Hillary 2016!

            2. Her supporters tout entries on her resume as “accomplishments.”

              “Lawyer, First Lady, Senator, SecState.”
              “What did she actually accomplish?”
              “What did I just tell you???”

              1. She’s a woman. What don’t you understand? She has a vagina and she was Secretary of State. That’s what she accomplished! VAGINA.

                1. I’m so fucking stupid. Why didn’t I see that?

                  Oh wait, that’s about the LAST thing in this universe I want to see. Ack.

                  1. Where’s Crusty? HE will want to see that.

              2. Her shelves must be overflowing with participation trophies.

            3. She made a rape victim cry on the stand.

              If that’s not feminism…wait a sec…never mind.

      2. Of course Trump could win. The markets are way overdue for a correction and if they try to blunt it with with more fiscal and monetary measures, they get steady but slow decline through November. They let it run its natural course, you get a major correction. Either way, the economy is going to benefit Trump.

      3. Just wait until Cytotoxic calls you guys degenerate retards for believing such things. Then you’ll learn.

      4. I hate Trump, but anyone who thought he couldn’t beat Clinton after his primary performance is an idiot.

        Call me an idiot. I still think he’ll lose in the general debates. Now, if you’re arguing whether or not Trump supporters will care, I don’t know, and I tend to doubt it. So the question becomes, which candidate has the most blindly committed voters.

        1. So the question becomes, which candidate has the most blindly committed voters.

          Surveys show that most voters are not voting “for” a candidate so much as voting “against” the other one. And unlike other surveys/polls, i don’t think that’s going to change much.

          The results reflect a deepening ideological divide in the United States, where people are becoming increasingly fearful of the opposing party…

          “This phenomenon is called negative partisanship,” Sabato said. “If we were trying to maximize the effect, we couldn’t have found better nominees than Trump and Clinton.”

          Its pretty remarkable – the #s show that less than 20% actually *like* their candidate. But 50-60% LOATHE the ‘enemy’.

          So its not who has the blindest ‘support’; its who rallies the largest number of people to vote against the other.

        2. “Call me an idiot. I still think he’ll lose in the general debates. Now, if you’re arguing whether or not Trump supporters will care, I don’t know, and I tend to doubt it.”

          I’m not saying Trump will win, so you’re not who I was talking about. I’m talking about people who think Trump will *definitely* lose, despite the fact that Trump has already way outperformed what any of the smart set thought he’d do and Clinton has repeatedly shown the ability to lose huge election leads once people actually start to see more of her on T.V.

          The only election she’s won was a New York senate seat that was basically handed to her when Giuliani dropped out of the race and she ran against a complete unknown. She’s lost huge leads in the democratic presidential primary twice and was just lucky that this time she lost the lead to an old white guy instead of a black guy.

        3. So the question becomes, which candidate has the most blindly committed voters.

          Where’s HM? I need a ruling: Most voters who are blindly committed or voters who are the most blindly committed? IMO, Trump and Clinton respectively.

          Trump loses and his voters go back to sifting through the debris of the GOP for the next shiny object. Clinton loses and the Democratic Party gets to (finally) go through the same nuclear identity meltdown that the GOP has just gone through. Clinton devotees will be obliviously questioning how idiots could vote for Trump for at least a decade.

          1. his voters go back to sifting through the debris of the GOP for the next shiny object.

            No, because most of them aren’t typical republicans.

            What will actually happen is that the broken and fragmented GOP will go looking for *them* in a process of trying to ‘epic-makeover’-itself into the New Nationalist-Populist-Party

            1. “What will actually happen is that the broken and fragmented GOP will go looking for *them* in a process of trying to ‘epic-makeover’-itself into the New Nationalist-Populist-Party”

              And it will be completely terrible as both parties will then explicitly be socialists in some form or other. We’ll be like Europe – the only real disagreements will be whether we should be national socialists or international socialists.

              1. meh.

                If you start using “socialist” in that form, you’re basically conceding the Sanders argument that there’s “The Bad Socialism” (Soviets, Norks, Venezuela, etc), and the “Good Socialism” (Denmark, etc.)

                I think “Big Government” is probably clearer and more-accurate.

                The GOP really won’t be changing much. They’ve always been the party of Big Govt Conservatism (versus the Democrat’s Big Govt Left-Wingers);

                its just that the GOP sold their Big Govt Conservatism with a marketing campaign of ‘Small Govt’-principles which was always just sort of a stylistic thing more than a list of policy desires.

                Now they don’t need to fake it so much. Or, they will simply emphasize other things while retaining some of that in reserve.

              2. And it will be completely terrible as both parties will then explicitly be socialists in some form or other. We’ll be like Europe – the only real disagreements will be whether we should be national socialists or international socialists.

                As someone who’s been saying “We’re becoming Europe” for years now, this is the assessment I agree with, because it aligns nicely with my worldview.

            2. Yeah, I think mad.c has it backwards. Trump’s supporters are the most blind, Hillary’s are the most committed. Trump’s supporters there’s no arguing with because logic and reasoning don’t matter, Hillary’s are just going to vote D no matter what. If Hillary dropped dead right now, all her voters would just move right on to whoever’s next in line, whether that’s Bernie or Biden or Beth. If Trump dropped dead, who knows what his people would do? Go to Disneyland? Wander off into the swamp? Lay down and take a nap? Vote Libertarian?

          2. It’s most blindly committed to whom.

            1. “Are these they?”

              “Who talks like that?”

        4. Obama got obliterated in that first debate against Romney like I’ve never seen anyone get blitzed, yet there he is.

          Your President.

        5. Debates don’t seem to matter much in moving the electorate one way or another, unless a candidate has a really epic fuckup.

          And even then it may not matter. I remember people starting to seriously question Obama’s intelligence after debating Romney. But Obama still handily curbstomped Romney in the end.

          1. Well, Romney was one of the most unfit people to criticize the ACA after all. Among other things, of course.

    3. If trump knows enough he could crush her. Does he know what really happened in Libya? He could just say, “I’m racist? You supported shock troops in Libya that committed a genocide against black Africans of Libya”. Seriously, just show the video of rebels putting black Africans in zoo cages to mock before execution and call her the grand Dragon of Libya by pointing out that entire black cities like Tawarga no longer exist.

      1. Nope; he’ll go with narcissistic preening about his mostly fabricated business career and mock Clinton’s quasi-femininity.

        1. “Nope; he’ll go with narcissistic preening about his mostly fabricated business career and mock Clinton’s quasi-femininity.”

          If Trump wants to win, he’ll do as mashed potatoes suggests, and out-flank Clinton on the left. If he’s satisfied with second place, he’ll continue alienating women, Latins etc.

      2. Obama won because both McCain and Romney were told by their handlers to play nice and not attack.
        neither belittled his negligible experience, lack of history, or numerous gaffes because they were afraid of being branded a racist.

        Hillary was hoping for the same thing. Bush, Rubio, and even Cruz would have been very cautious in attacking her on anything as she and the press have already positioned such opposition as “proof of sexism”. The “war on women” thing of the last couple years was all about battle-space preparation for this very election cycle.

        But…they didn’t expect Trump to succeed. Trump who appears to not give a flying hoot about whatever comes out his mouth. Hillary and crew are totally unprepared for this and unless things change significantly in the next few months, I think Trump will make a mockery of Hillary.

        Conspiracy nut side point: Trump’s sexist sounding comments on Megan and Carly were coordinated battlespace preparation. He got his ‘sexism’ out early and now going after Hillary will be old news and hugely blunt the media impact.

      3. “I’m racist? You supported shock troops in Libya that committed a genocide against black Africans of Libya”.

        this is where the press would discover a backbone and declare the charges of racism bogus.

  2. The Horse Race coverage is still fascinating. This morning on NPR they went on and on and on… and then on about Sanders winning this, Sanders winning that, Sanders still in the race, Sanders and his path to possible victory, then a Democratic strategist threw cold water on the whole thing. ‘Not going to happen.’ ‘Math isn’t there.’ ‘Nowhere near the required delegates.’ ‘Further behind in the delegate count than Hillary was behind Obama in 2008.’

    1. Yeah, I’m not sure why anyone still gives a shit about Sanders. I guess it’s fun to wail on an aging socialist, lord knows I enjoy it, but anyone that think’s he has a chance beyond Hillary suddenly getting what’s coming to her is deluded. The Democrat selection process ensures Sanders won’t win.

      Of course, Trump is still beating the Cruz dead horse so it’s whatever I guess. Maybe Trump wants to make sure Cruz’s dad doesn’t assassinate him in the night?

      1. I passed a Bernie van today. It was an old news camera van festooned with the scraggly hair and glasses logo with a bunch of millennials in it looking at laptops. Bernie isn’t conceding until Philadelphia, whatever that means, we’ll find out. But he’s successfully pushed Hillary to the left. Since Trump doesn’t have any “real conservative” baggage, he can take the center and make Hillary continue to look out of touch. Bernie may not get the election but he has the full force of the free shit brigade standing behind him.

        1. My entire town is a ‘Bernie van’.

        2. Bernie can do whatever he wants and still not win. He could push Trump to the left, Hillary to the right, and Obama off a bridge and he’ll still lose. He isn’t even the first socialist or communist to run for office, and I doubt he’ll be the last.

          The fact that he still couldn’t win against this slate of candidates, in this economy, with a huge amount of anti-war sentiment, and with trillions in student loan debt piling up says a lot. The ‘free shit’ brigade apparently either doesn’t vote, doesn’t have the numbers to matter, or doesn’t give a shit about Bernie. Probably a combination of all three, plus some other options I probably forgot about.

          I’m just some guy, y’know?

  3. If you want to break the machine, it doesn’t matter who swings the hammer.

    1. came here to say this, but less artfully, so we’ll done.

    2. Does it matter who wields the sickle?

      1. Does it matter who wants the cake?

    3. Is dual-wielding allowed, or do we take negatives to hit?

      1. -6 to both weapons, unless you have the feat (multiple, depending on edition), the off-hand is small, if you are attacking with both in a single round, and you probably won’t get stat modifier to damage.

        But it is ALWAYS allowed.

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  4. Why would a Donald Trump fan vote for Bernie Sanders?

    Because they’re retards.

    1. CAKE WAS PROMISED.

      1. The cake is a lie!

        1. the CAKE was a LIE! we WANT punch and PIE!

    2. That, and perhaps because Trump and Sanders have a lot in common? Both seem to be retarded protectionists from the last century.

    3. All Trump has to do is say, ‘Free….’ And watch them line up at the buffet.

  5. Now if someone could just explain the 9 percent of yesterday’s Hillary Clinton voters who say they’re going to back Trump in the fall…

    A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet.

    1. The greeks knew the earth was round and had a good estimate of the size. Everyone educated 500 years ago had read the greeks and also knew it was round.

      The flat earth thing is bullshit.

      1. The Flat Earth Society has chapters around the globe.

        1. So do various iterations of the National Socialist parties. “Lots of people are retards” doesn’t mean that they aren’t ALL retards.

        2. This is perhaps the most hilarious comment I’ve read today!

        3. If the earth is roundish then why is it when I walk outside it’s flat?!

          /spins beanie propeller.

      2. Everyone educated 500 years ago vs. everybody knew the Earth was flat

        Hmm….

        1. Everyone educated 500 years ago vs. everybody knew the Earth was flat

          Hmm….

          Yup. The local rag did a “Jay- walking” poll recently – 40% did not know what we call the time it takes for the earth to complete one orbit around the sun… 65% could not name their Congressional Rep.

    2. This is easy. If you want Trump to win, you should be voting for Hillary. Every head to head national and state poll has Sander more ahead of Trump than Hillary. So as it stands now, Trump would be less likely to win against Sanders than Hillary. Trump supporters should want Hillary Clinton to win.

  6. Matt Walsh has sure been quiet lately….

    1. Welsh has been busy trading barbs with Kmele and Moynihan.

      1. Welsh has been hanging out in Llanfairpwllgwyngyll.

    2. He’s busy getting high then feeling guilty about it.

  7. Now if someone could just explain the 9 percent of yesterday’s Hillary Clinton voters who say they’re going to back Trump in the fall…

    Again they’re retarded. It’s retards all the way down.

  8. The American way is to vote against a candidate, not for one. By any means possible.

    1. The FTC/DoJ seems to have killed a lot of deals in the last 12 months compared to the previous 7 years of the Obama admin.

      Pfizer, Halliburton, Comcast, Honeywell, Staples. etc.

      Most mergers fall-through, but almost all of these were due to regulatory pressure/scrutiny rather than lack of shareholder enthusiasm.

      1. I recall when the Europeans killed the General Electric – Honeywell merger back around 2000-01.

        1. GE/Electrolux was killed this year.

      2. Yup. Stock prices fell, signaling this merger was supported by shareholders and iced by the government. Really a good example that the government doesn’t give a shit about the economy.

        1. Oh, they give a shit. You’ll recall that Congress is exempt from insider trading laws, and they can essentially regulate stock prices. What could go wrong?

  9. Those exit polls show a plurality of the primary’s Sanders voters?44 percent?planning to vote for Donald Trump in November.

    With the GOP race over many conservatives crossed over to vote Bernie and screw the Hil-dog. The GOP wants to run against the weak old geezer.

    1. You need to be more specific about which is the weak old geezer.

    2. Jeb is gonna trounce Hillary in the general, right?

    3. You pay up, yet?

  10. Maybe it’s because Trump is a Democrat on the (R) ticket.

    Seems obvious to me, but maybe I’m wrong.

    1. Tough argument to make. His platform is basically equivalent to the GOP’s, except advocating for less crony trade deals and less Neocon interventionism.

      1. Trump doesn’t know shit about trade deals. He just knows the average jackass blames FTAs for plants moving to China.

        Somehow NAFTA caused hundreds of plants to move to China.

        Yet manufacturing output is up 60% (inflation adjusted) since 1992.

      2. His platform is smoke and mirrors, since Trump apparently thinks a higher minimum wage and higher taxes are suddenly a possibility now that he has the nomination in the bag whereas he was fully for his own platform before Cruz dropped out.

        His supporters were warned, but now the writing is on the wall. His ‘platform’ is what it needed to be to win, not a reflection of any actual policy goals. Watch Trump roll over on his own positions in the coming days, weeks, and months.

        1. Shrug. So long as his platform evolves in ways that the base largely agrees with, nobody is going to care that much. He already told everyone in advance that he was going to be moving to the center in the general election.

          1. Also humans typically don’t derive their voting preferences based on whatever policies a candidate has specifically articulated. As long as there’s some sort of vague ideological mien they can resonate with, that’s enough.

            Along with whatever irrationally inferred character attributes a candidate happens to convey to someone?such as perceived temperament, competency, ability to beat an opponent, etc.

            1. I do agree with you on that one, it would be hard not to.

              Is Trump really a centrist though? Hard to say. Since we can’t go by what he says, or does, or has done in the past, there really isn’t any way to say he isn’t a Democrat on the (R) ticket but neither is there a way to say he is.

              Trump is going at light speed, and simultaneously existing at all points on the political spectrum at the same time. It’s remarkable, really, but not for any particularly good reason.

              1. If Trump were a Democrat, he’d support Obama’s trade deals, and an aggressive foreign policy. Come to think of it, if Trump were a Republican he’d still support Obama’s trade deals and an aggressive foreign policy.

              2. My take is that Trump values and admires many of the same qualities he sees himself as possessing.

                That is, he likes seeing strength, ambition, self-initiative, determination to succeed, willingness to undertake calculated risks, etc. Anybody who’s watched Apprentice for 5 minutes could discern that much.

                Which isn’t the value set of a Progressive. They’re not that fond of risk or self-initiative. Too much agency is scary because it’s unpredictable. So the argument that Trump is equivalent to a contemporary Democrat wouldn’t hold.

                Is he like an old-school Democrat? Perhaps in some ways?e.g. I could see him fantasizing over FDR-style epic public works projects to “Make America Great Again.” Doesn’t mean he’d actually do it. And it’d at least be easy for a sane Congress to curtail it from happening.

                A problem Trump seems to have, is that while his core inclinations seem to be reasonably conservative, he’s unable to speak the ideological language of conservatism people are accustomed to hearing; he’s still an amateur politician with little background in having to do this.

                Not to mention it can be hard to tell when he’s just using a negotiating or marketing persona, vs. when he’s being sincere. Some of the unpredictability is a deliberate tool. Also he’s a pragmatist by nature, so he might sacrifice some ideological purity for sake of attaining a generally desired goal getting him 80% of what he wanted.

                1. tl;dr?Trump is confusing in ways that will be revulsive to some people, but he probably isn’t an evil micro-managing control freak.

                2. “Is he like an old-school Democrat?”

                  That can be said of any decent American. But yes, I can picture Trump pushing for New Deal style mass mobilizations. Get the youth involved too.

                  “A problem Trump seems to have, is that while his core inclinations seem to be reasonably conservative”

                  He won the Republican delegates necessary. With impressive numbers. Conservatives are the least of Trump’s problems. If he’s going to be president he must appeal to the left as well.

                  ” he’s still an amateur politician with little background in having to do this.”

                  He’s a professional showman and background or not, nobody is stopping him from doing this.

                  “Not to mention it can be hard to tell when he’s just using a negotiating or marketing persona, ”

                  Agree here. Never know quite how to take him. But he does say some things that go beyond the bounds of accepted political discourse. Questioning NATO, for example.

        2. ” Watch Trump roll over on his own positions in the coming days, weeks, and months.”

          If he is serious about winning, this is inevitable. As the Republican nomination becomes more of a certainty, he will have to appeal to non Republicans for a chance at the presidency. I think Trump’s best chance is to out flank Clinton on the left – opposing Clinton’s neo-conservatism.

          1. How would he not become the nominee?

            1. By dying, or becoming too ill to continue. By conceding to race to another. By being exposed as a paedophile.

    2. Trump is whatever the fuck the arguer wants him to be. Democrat, Republican, Nazi, Only Sane Man, …

      1. Someone here (I think it was Ken) commented that Carson was the Rorschach candidate. Maybe we should transfer the title to Trump?

        1. You don’t get it Gadianton! I’m not locked in here with you. YOU’RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!

          1. Are you, or have you ever been, Florida Man?

        2. Someone here (I think it was Ken) commented that Carson was the Rorschach candidate. Maybe we should transfer the title to Trump?

          All candidates are basically humanoid slates that voters creatively project their imaginations onto.

          Obama’s been a particularly open-ended one that people variously imagine all the very best and very worst things about.

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  13. I live in California, and I’ve been considering re-registering as a Democrat, so that I could vote for Sanders in the primary on June 7. Sort of like Rush Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos”. 🙂

    1. I’m feeling the Bern.

    2. With our state being an open primary, you don’t have to be a Democrat to vote in their primary.

  14. I live in Oklahoma, and am registered as an independent. The Republican primary is closed, but this year the Democrat primary was open to independents. I voted for Bernie because I just could not wait until November to vote against Hillary Clinton. There may be a lot of people like me in WV, where the primary was open, and in other places as well.

  15. The punditry doesn’t get it.

    Trump ! LANDSLIDE

    Watch for it. –

  16. “Now if someone could just explain the 9 percent of yesterday’s Hillary Clinton voters who say they’re going to back Trump in the fall…”

    It could be because Clinton has a greater chance of losing against Trump during the general election, at least based on the polls that I’ve seen. If for some miracle Clinton gets indicted it would also hand the general election to Trump. Trump vs Clinton should bode well for Gary Johnson. He’s polling over 10% even though no one knows who he is.

  17. Trump is already tacking left on wages and trade so I wouldn’t be surprised to keep seeing more of this. It’s as if he’s decided to combine the most authoritarian aspects of each party as his general election strategy. He’s probably looking to expand his cult of personality base.

    And once Bernie loses in California I’m sure Hillary will start courting the neocon vote.

    1. “Hillary will start courting the neocon vote.”

      The neocon vote is the least of Clinton’s worries. It was only yesterday that the ‘Libertarian-leaning’ Republican PJ O’Rourke was endorsing Clinton. And lots more will follow, I’m sure.

      1. This can have negative consequences of further epitomizing Hillary’s image as the establishment crone.

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  19. “When Bernie Sanders won yesterday’s West Virginia primary, preliminary exit polls showed the socialist senator…”

    You poor, dumb, knee-jerking bastards. You really CAN’T tell the difference between a democratic socialist and a socialist, can you?

    1. It’s so cute that you think there’s a difference.

      Even cuter that you so easily ignore the decades in which Sanders referred to himself as, first, a communist, then later, as a socialist. ‘Democratic socialist’ is something he’s only recently picked up.

  20. Why would a Trump supporter ask for a Democratic ballot?

    Because politics aside Hilary is criminal and should be in jail, not the Whitehouse?

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  22. Do you have a write-in ballot in the United States?
    How about a candidate choice called “none of the above”?
    Your election would be even more interesting,
    if voting was mandatory, as in Australia.
    The “none of the above” choice is then essential.

    Since you seem to hate “socialists” and “socialism”, probably because
    they smack of “communism”, you really have little choice, do you?

    Clinton is for the BIG BOYS (i.e. corporate America) and same old, same old.
    Is this why many young Americans do not like Hillary?

    I am not sure who Trump represents, but he certainly knows
    how to speak to the “hearts” of the people (e.g. lost jobs due to trade deals).

    I support declaring any election invalid if the winner receives
    less than 60% of the vote. How complicated would that make things?
    Of course, that would be under our archaic “first past the post” system.

    Despite the alarmists, “true” democracy requires an election using some form
    of “proportional representation”. Most “democratic” nations, outside of Britain,
    Canada and the United States, have moved beyond the older electoral system.

    I wish you all well and may you continue to be our more important neighbour.

    P.S. We are NOT planning to build a wall along our border, even though some Brits
    think this would be a great idea and have started a brick by brick fund raising campaign.

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    1. I raised the issue of ‘none of the above’ voting reforms here some months ago. It was not received well. The main objection seems to have been that it would somehow favour Democrats over Republicans.

      “”true” democracy requires an election using some form
      of “proportional representation”.

      That’s not true democracy, but representative democracy. True democracy is where the issues of the day are decided by plebiscites. This is certainly much more frightening to the Libertarian than none of the above voting.

  23. Trump fans are brain-dead. Sanders fans are brain-dead. Seems like a perfect match!

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  31. What’s interesting now is seeing how many Saunders supporters have crawfished, either away from being “Sanders Voters for Trump” or away from “Sanders Voters Because Trump Is To The Right Of Hitler.”

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