Election 2016

Hillary Clinton, Borrowing From Rubio, Discovers Welders

If you thought the exit of Marco Rubio meant we could forget about the welder issue, alas, no such luck.

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Hillary Clinton is finding the themes for her presidential campaign in language already road-tested by candidates who ran, and lost, in the Republican presidential contest.

Clinton, a Democrat, just released a campaign commercial in which the words "so we can all rise together" appear on the screen. The "right to rise" was what the Republican former governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, had said his presidential campaign was all about. Clinton must be hoping the slogan, with its vaguely Christian overtones and association with the American dream of upward mobility, works better for her than it did for him.

And Clinton has been talking on the campaign trail about welders. This "welders" concept emerged back in the fall from the lips of a Republican senator from Florida, Marco Rubio, who complained, "We know welders make more than philosophers, but we graduate a bunch of philosophers." If you thought the exit of Marco Rubio from the presidential campaign meant that you could forget about the welder issue, alas, no such luck. Clinton has taken Rubio's talking point and made it her own.

Here she is on April 18 in Staten Island, New York:

Not everybody has to go to college. There are a lot of good jobs that we need filled by people. We've got to provide the apprenticeship programs, and I want to boost what labor unions are doing to provide more apprenticeship operations. There are currently about 1.2 million jobs in this country for machinists and welders and tool and die makers and other skilled labor. And very often, these are good union jobs, which is at the core of the middle class. So let's do more to encourage more people to go that route.  

Here she is on April 23 in New Haven, Connecticut:

Right now we have 1.2 million jobs that are waiting to be filled by people with advanced skills in the trades—welders, machinists, tool and die makers, and the like. We've got to get a better fit between people's interests, their job prospects, and the jobs that we need done in our society.

She used a variation on the same line on April 23 in Rhode Island:

We have 1.2 million jobs right now in America today that pay 50-, 60-, 70,000 a year for tool and die makers and welders and machinists, skilled tradespeople.  We need to convince more young people to go into those jobs if that's exactly what they want to do and the kind of life they want, and we need more training programs. That's why I want to incentivize more apprenticeships.

Clinton is correct, as Rubio was, that "not everybody has to go to college." But her logic starts to break down pretty quickly after that, much as Rubio's did.

Capitalism has a special trick that is a way to "convince more young people to go into these jobs" or "encourage more people to go that route." It's called increase the pay. If companies are lacking for welders, no one is stopping them from advertising highly paid welder jobs. Silicon Valley companies do that when they are looking for engineers and programmers. If the companies looking for welders are out seeking government encouragement for prospective welders, they might be doing it because they think that government convincing will save them from having to raise the wages.

There are other solutions to the supposed welder shortage, too. American companies could invite immigrant workers to do the jobs. That infuriates nativists but works for the companies and for immigrants who choose to come to America.

The problem with government encouragement of welders is that it's hard for the government to forecast in advance how many welders will be needed. Maybe someday robots will replace most welders. By then Clinton will be comfortably retired, but some unemployed midcareer welder will be in need of retraining. Maybe the government encouragement of welding careers will produce a glut of welders, driving down wages and leaving a bunch of unemployed people trained as welders but with no other marketable skills.

For what it's worth, the Obama administration's Department of Labor predicts that the number of jobs for welders, cutters, solderers, and brazers will grow at a "slower than average" rate between 2014 and 2024, compared to other professions. The labor department also reports that the median pay for these jobs is $38,150 a year, or $18.34 an hour.

That is less than the $50,000 to $70,000 a year that Clinton is touting for these jobs in her campaign rhetoric. It is a lot less than Clinton herself was paid by Goldman Sachs for giving speeches.

I've got nothing against welders or against training them. There can certainly be dignity in honest manual labor. But there is something a little grim about Clinton, the multi-millionaire graduate of Wellesley and Yale Law School, lecturing about how more people ought to skip college and instead work for $18 an hour as welders. Whatever happened to the part about how "we can all rise together"?

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  1. Hillary is recycling………trying to reduce her carbon footprint.

    1. They’ve all been on the campaign trail for months now. They’ve run out of things to talk about until the next big scandal breaks. Emails? Mistresses? Offshore accounts? What will it be?

        1. Don’t get your hopes up.

      1. Hilliary-Bob has LOTS of emails, we all know THAT… How many mistresses does She have?!?!?

        Also, WHUT is Her stance on Gay Weldings and Gay Welders, anyway?!??!

        (Inquiring minds want to know!!! Gay philosophers? Not so much!)

        1. Reason Mag…

          I ams disappointed in ye…

          Ahs lookin’ fer the ISSUES, dammit, an’ all ya give me is FLUFF!!!

          WHUT, fer Chrissakes, is Hillary’s PHILOSOPHY ON GAY WELDINGS?!?!?!

      2. Hillary having mistresses would be a scandal? She would clean up on the LGBT vote.

  2. “We’ve got to get a better fit between people’s interests, their job prospects, and the jobs that we need done in our society.”

    “We”, white lady?

    1. “Our” society is even more galling. It’s the myth of communal ownership what got us into this situation in the first place, and you can be certain Clinton has no interest in seeing radical devolution interfere with the task of pyramid building to which she wishes to devote “our” society.

      1. the worst part is the lack of realization that being a welder is about infinitely better than only having access to things you make yourself.

    2. “We”, white lady?

      Obviously you missed the “me and the unions” component of her argument. Obviously for Hillary and Bernie the only good non-college job is a union job. The only good non-college training program is union apprenticeship. Somebody has to control the workers’ future.

    3. She’s closer to reality on this than Bernie, but she still thinks that government must control the process.

  3. I thought I might enjoy being a welder. Even looked into going to a trade school for it. But besides the serious pay cut, I’d have to deal with long periods of contorting my body into small spaces. No, that doesn’t sound like fun. Oh well. So much for wearing that cool mask.

    1. What’s stopping you from wearing the mask to the office? If anyone gives you shit for it you can say it reduces screen glare.

    2. “contorting my body into small spaces”
      What the hell were you planning on welding?

      1. The available jobs are marine in nature.

        1. Ah well, that’s probably the only time welders are in cramped spaces. I think I could maybe handle that, but high steel would make me freeze up, I bet.

        2. Said the Cabin Boy, the Cabin Boy,
          The dirty Little Nipper!
          Who lined his ass,
          With broken glass,
          And circumcised the skipper!

  4. This “welders” concept emerged back in the fall from the lips of a Republican senator from Florida, Marco Rubio, who complained, “We know welders make more than philosophers, but we graduate a bunch of philosophers.” If you thought the exit of Marco Rubio from the presidential campaign meant that you could forget about the welder issue, alas, no such luck. Clinton has taken Rubio’s talking point and made it her own.

    I thought Rubio’s issue was with philosophers and not welders, but whatever…

    For what it’s worth, the Obama administration’s Department of Labor predicts that the number of jobs for welders, cutters, solderers, and brazers will grow at a “slower than average” rate between 2014 and 2024, compared to other professions.

    Compared to… philosophers?

    1. Compared to… philosophers?

      Starbucks is always hiring, yo.

    2. There may be 4 or 5 “philosopher” jobs outside of academia. So, the growth in the philosophy jobs is entirely dependent on academia, which is currently somewhere before the “collapse” phase of a classic credit-driven bubble.

    3. A friend of mine has a philosophy degree. He works for the FDA now…

      1. As a philosopher?

        I have a philosophy degree, but I’ve never earned a cent as such.

        1. Nope. Just not surprised he went into government to become a bureaucrat.

  5. There are a couple of steps the government could properly take: they can stop subsidizing people to go into other occupations (namely, free college), and they could stop the constant belittling of those who don’t go to college.

    1. Turn off the federal loan faucet, get rid of the Department of Education…

    2. This is the real problem. Subsidized college education has led to a glut of people graduating (or attending and dropping out) from mediocre and poor colleges.

      Imagine if you could graduate high school, get a job as an apprentice electrician or welder or whatever and make $15/hr while you learn then after a few years you start getting to that $50-70k number she talks about.

      Plus, we would see college prices stagnate or fall as demand decreases.

      1. shit, I’ll be able to make $15/hr flipping burgers or washing cars and not have to do any heavy lifting once Bernie takes over!

    3. Nah, those ‘non-college’ job holders are the people the Democrat party hates most. Well, unless they’re Unions as Hillary was quick to point out. Then they’re useful, but only to a point.

  6. Hillary: “I will add welders to the Gosplan!”

  7. The problem with government encouragement of welders is that it’s hard for the government to forecast in advance how many welders will be needed. Maybe someday robots will replace most welders.

    But they will not be able to replace philosophers. No robot can replace philosophers!

    1. I have a day old bag of dog shit that could replace any/all philosophers…

  8. I just have to believe that we’ll be fine if politicians would just consider this none of their fucking business. What the hell are they going to do? Welder cronyism?

  9. Stoll doesn’t get it. He is right that the solution isn’t for the government to encourage people to become welders. What he fails to understand is that the government needs to stop encouraging people to become other things by over subsidizing education. Being a welder is hard. It is hot, dirty work. Sure it pays well but there is a reason for that. If the government would get out of things, people would choose to be welders more often because they would be under more pressure to choose an educational path that pays for itself. Thanks to the government subsidizing education regardless of its potential to produce value and income, people don’t feel that pressure and thus choose to be other things.

    1. And o the math. Teach a kid (in high school) to become a welder. While Hillary’s kid down the street spends the next four years going to college at $30,000 per year and makes nothing, the welder kid is making $35,000 per year for four years and not paying tuition. After 4 years, that’s a $260,000 deficit Hillary’s kid needs to make up.

      Yes, I’m rounding numbers and assuming the welder can learn the necessary skills in high school, but even if he does have to go to trade school for a year at age 18, it shows how insane our government subsidization of college has become.

      1. My friends who went to vocational high school were the richest people I knew while I was in college.

      2. My friends who went to vocational high school were the richest people I knew while I was in college.

      3. It is insane. Society is starting to self correct. I can’t believe kids and parents are not seeing the example set by these halfwits with their 200K of debt and worthless degrees and not looking for a better way. Even if you do go to college, more and more kids are going to the college that is the cheapest instead of the best college they can get into regardless of cost. You have to be a real inbreed upper class twit to turn down a full ride somewhere to borrow a bunch of money to go to some high ranked school in this environment.

        1. John, you can’t get into the best suburban cocktail parties if you (or your kid) is a dirty welder.

          1. I live in the suburbs. Our cocktail parties suck. I’d much rather drink with welders and pipe-fitters.

          2. Mum How are you liking it down the mine, Ken?
            Ken Oh it’s not too bad, mum… we’re using some new tungsten carbide drills for the preliminary coal-face scouring operations.
            Mum Oh that sounds nice, dear…
            Dad Tungsten carbide drills! What the bloody hell’s tungsten carbide drills?
            Ken It’s something they use in coal-mining, father.
            Dad (mimicking) ‘It’s something they use in coal-mining, father’. You’re all bloody fancy talk since you left London.
            Ken Oh not that again.
            Mum He’s had a hard day dear… his new play opens at the National Theatre tomorrow.
            Ken Oh that’s good.
            Dad Good! good? What do you know about it? What do you know about getting up at five o’clock in t’morning to fly to Paris… back at the Old Vic for drinks at twelve, sweating the day through press interviews, television interviews and getting back here at ten to wrestle with the problem of a homosexual nymphomaniac drug-addict involved in the ritual murder of a well known Scottish footballer. That’s a full working day, lad, and don’t you forget it!
            Mum Oh, don’t shout at the boy, father.
            Dad Aye, ‘ampstead wasn’t good enough for you, was it? … you had to go poncing off to Barnsley, you and yer coal-mining friends. (spits)
            Ken Coal-mining is a wonderful thing father, but it’s something you’ll never understand. Just look at you!

      4. A good welder can expect to make twice that, in my experience, depending on what he does.

        You get into the underwater welding racket (mostly oil rigs), and you can make a nice six-figure income and have scads of days off.

        1. as long as you don’t mind the toxic fumes, arc flashes etc.

      5. Teach a kid (in high school) to become a welder.

        Or the kid can go across the hall and take the classes for photocopier repair. Earn a comparable salary working in shirtsleeves in air-conditioned offices where the heaviest thing you have to lift is a toner drum.

    2. “If the government would get out of things…”

      There is nothing stopping private business from training and educating the welders they need rather than relying on government sipported trade schools.

    3. … What he fails to understand is that the government needs to stop encouraging people to become other things by over subsidizing education…

      I’m not sure that it really matters, but I believe you have cause and effect backwards.

      Back in the 70’s / 80’s, someone came up with a study that showed that college graduates earn more than their non-college peers, but failed to show a causal relationship. It became the catalyst for education policy focusing on graduating every student into college, instead of vocational / trade schools or apprenticehips. This lead to a rise in demand for a scarce resource (seats in classrooms and professors/instructors) which, interspersed with other variables, lead to a rise in prices. Which, again, interspersed with other variables, lead to heavier subsidizing.

      What we need is for the government to get the fuck off the “Social Engineering” kick.

      1. “This lead to a rise in demand for a scarce resource (seats in classrooms and professors/instructors) which, interspersed with other variables, lead to a rise in prices.”

        I must have been in hundreds of classrooms over the years, both as student and teacher, and I’ve rarely witnessed a scarcedy in seating. It’s usually addressed quickly by moving to a larger unused classroom. Portable classrooms can always be used as a last resort.

        1. Ah, so they’re only priced as if they’re scarce…

          1. “Ah, so they’re only priced as if they’re scarce…”

            Students aren’t paying for a seat in a class room. They are paying for a bloated and increasing administration. This is the way of things. In bureaucracies, at least.

        2. … I’ve rarely witnessed a scarcedy in seating…

          Mea culpa. I used “seats in classrooms,” quite poorly, to mean “available slots or positions”.

          1. “available slots or positions”

            I figured you meant something along those lines, but I suppose the increase in the number of students is not a big factor in the rise of costs. Not compared to the money taken up by administration, whose growth outstrips both students and teachers and arguably adds little either teaching or research.

        3. In tour hundreds of hours, you forgot to learn to spell “scarcity”…

  10. “We have 1.2 million jobs right now in America today that pay 50-, 60-, 70,000 a year for tool and die makers and welders and machinists, skilled tradespeople.”

    What about trained philosophers, Mrs. Clinton? Huh?

    1. Those aren’t real scientists. They should be forced to give up these charades and go to college for gender studies, womens studies, transgendered studies, LBQTZYNPO studies, get themselves some real progressive edumencation. Then we create green jobs specifically suited for those new skills. Forward, comrades!

  11. And very often, these are good union jobs, which is at the core of the middle class.

    Oh god STFU already.

    1. Damn your quick fingers, Rhywun!

      So quick, you’re probably a welder!

      1. She is going to make eight years of Obama look like it was Reagan.

        1. We will look fondly back on the Obama presidency as being the good old days. I’m not even being sarcastic.

          1. In Soviet Union every year is average; better than next year but worse than last year.

            1. Soon we will need to chew on roots again to show our devotion to dear leader.

            2. I love the Russian fatalist humor.

    2. these are good union jobs, which is at the core of the middle class

      Union membership: 11% total, under 7% private sector.

      Not much of a core, IMO.

      1. Given Detroit, et al, I think she misspelled “corpse of the middle class.”

  12. So here we are after decades of turning high schools into mediocre college preparatory schools, subsidizing universities, and lending out trillions of dollars to university students. But now the evidence is clear. We have too many college graduates and too few blue collar people to fill available jobs vacancies. The free market has failed us!

    1. Not only has the free market failed but it was also the fault of libertarian policies!

  13. That is less than the $50,000 to $70,000 a year that Clinton is touting for these jobs in her campaign rhetoric.

    And don’t get me started about trained philosophers’ pay. Because I won’t start.

    1. Fun fact: Herbert Spencer (who was somewhere between a proto-libertarian and an anarcho-capitalist) was one of the very, very, very few philosophers who made a decent living entirely on his philosophical writings.

      1. who?

  14. *** rising intonation ***

    What about philosopher *kings* ??

  15. Notice the part about good-paying union jobs and union apprenticeships – I have a nephew who is a welder who managed to land one of those good-paying jobs at Kia when they opened a plant near here. It’s a damn good job for this area, but it pays half or less what those good-paying jobs in Detroit were paying. You think Hillary can put 2 and 2 together and puzzle out the connection between Detroit’s being a shithole with no jobs and an automotive plant in west Georgia paying half what the going union rate in Detroit was?

    1. Sure. But she don’t care — she don’t live there.

    2. puzzle out the connection between Detroit’s being a shithole with no jobs and an automotive plant in west Georgia paying half what the going union rate in Detroit was

      You mean, the way Detroit is a Dem stronghold that pumps millions into their coffers, and Georgia, well, isn’t?

      I am sure she is acutely aware that connection, anyway.

  16. But there is something a little grim about Clinton, the multi-millionaire graduate of Wellesley and Yale Law School, lecturing about how more people ought to skip college and instead work for $18 an hour as welders.

    There is indeed something sinister afoot about a group of privileged rich people not wanting young men and women to become trained philosophers.

    1. You’ve made 5 comments in this thread so far, every one of them mentioning philosophers. Did a philosopher run over your dog or something?

      1. Did a philosopher run over your dog or something?

        Schr?dinger’s canine?

        1. That dog is both a philosopher and not a philosopher at the same time.

      2. Re: Gojira,

        You’ve made 5 comments in this thread so far, every one of them mentioning philosophers. Did a philosopher run over your dog or something?

        Philosophers do not get enough respect.

        1. So, Rodney Dangerfield must have been the penultimate philosopher. ;-D

  17. Capitalism has a special trick that is a way to “convince more young people to go into these jobs” or “encourage more people to go that route.” It’s called increase the pay. If companies are lacking for welders, no one is stopping them from advertising highly paid welder jobs. Silicon Valley companies do that when they are looking for engineers and programmers. If the companies looking for welders are out seeking government encouragement for prospective welders, they might be doing it because they think that government convincing will save them from having to raise the wages.

    This is absolutely true. However, I would argue that the firms looking for welders are facing some pretty tough competition. For one, they’re facing the Federal Government which essentially pays kids to go to college to get degrees… any degree so long as they get a degree. It’s my opinion that this draws kids into essentially doing just that: getting any degree because hey, the money’s there being dangled in my face, I might as well take it. The earning prospects of those degrees are too far down the road for most young people to internalize. They’re also competing with society at large which has repeated this mantra– that a college degree is the short path to a better life– and so the employers of welders are facing a pretty uphill battle.

    1. Silicon Valley companies do that when they are looking for engineers and programmers.

      Just one more thing. This is true. And capitalism solved that problem too: outsourcing. The pay has gone so high for some tech fields (that don’t require a college degree, just FYI) that outsourcing begins to look attractive.

      1. There aren’t nearly enough STEM workers. That includes IT, especially skilled developers. The companies I contract for literally cannot hire a native born American with skills. There are none available, they already have good jobs that pay more than they can offer to attract them away. They can only hire immigrants, period.

        1. That being said, about everyone I know has stopped hiring H-1B, it’s too much of a pain in the ass. But if you’re a green card holder with skills, you won’t have any problem finding a job.

        2. There aren’t nearly enough STEM workers. That includes IT, especially skilled developers. The companies I contract for literally cannot hire a native born American with skills

          Not to be a dick, but to be a dick, the IT world has done this to itself in conjunction with the modern HR department. Maybe it’s a necessity. Maybe I’m an old fuddy-duddy who can’t accept that fact and would rather sit here frowning, shaking my cane at the world that left me behind. But the whole ‘skills’ thing has become a kind of chimera which in turn has caused India to churn out a high number of highly certified but practically unskilled people in certification mills

          As a result you’ve got tons of Americans (citizens, not a euphemism for “white” before everyone jumps down my racist throat) who are seriously experienced, but don’t have the latest up-to-date certifications, so they’re passed over for jobs they could EASILY do. So they hire the foreign IT workers that just got off the boat from the Mumbai Deepak Chopra school of l337 certifications.

          1. Sorry, but you’re wrong. I’ve been involved with evaluating IT talent for about 10 years now. And I see a lot of people come and go. It has nothing to do with certifications. Well, maybe it does for some companies, but they’re stupid if it does. It has to do with having up to date skills. I cannot take a person who programmed in Cobol 20 years ago and put them on a .NET project that I need to get done for a client. If your skills are up to date, you will not be out of work. The reason there are so many Indians working in IT is that there are not, once again, enough skilled American workers available. I don’t know any skilled and experienced IT workers out of a job. And when I say skilled, I don’t mean skilled at changing tape reels on a Univac, or pulling punched cards.

            1. You can yell at me now, (:

            2. Sorry, but you’re wrong. I’ve been involved with evaluating IT talent for about 10 years now.

              I’ve been involved with evaluating IT talent for 30.

              Well, maybe it does for some companies, but they’re stupid if it does.

              It does for a LOT of companies.

              I cannot take a person who programmed in Cobol 20 years ago and put them on a .NET project that I need to get done for a client.

              No, you can’t, and no one would expect you to. I’m not saying I know where to draw the line, but as someone who has both been in the job market recently, not so recently, and seen the new “talent” coming in, especially of the foreign variety, there IS a huge emphasis on certifications and pinpoint qualifications which I’ve personally seen go very sideways. When your top Nexus switch guy from India doesn’t know Telnet is on port 23, you’ve got a big problem.

              I liken it to a cultural thing. We got into IT because we messed with 8 bit computers when we were in grade school. These guys got into IT because their parents made them do it. There’s no broader context for the technology.

              1. I’m not saying I know where to draw the line

                I know exactly where to draw the line though. A person can have 300 certifications and a masters in CompSci, this matters not in the least to me. I need someone to do the work, now. Now if I have an entry level position, then I will consider training, because the person won’t have anything else. I still like to see that the person has more than just theory, that they actually can start doing some entry level work right now. I’ve been pretty good at discerning this.

                Companies who put a great deal of emphasis on certs and degrees over experience are retards. For an entry level company this would be suicide.

                I remember having an interview with some startup years ago, where the guy was asking me all these theory questions straight out of a Microsoft exam. I was laughing to myself as to why they had someone who knows jackshit about software development interviewing people.

                1. I was laughing to myself as to why they had someone who knows jackshit about software development interviewing people.

                  Unfortunately, this circles back to my beef with the modern HR department. When you’ve got the lady who emails you PDFs on your benefits doing screenings for tech people, it’s no wonder the hiring process is so utterly fucked up.

                  1. Who the hell lets their HR dept hire IT people? The companies I’ve been working for, an IT person doesn’t even see the HR dept until after the decision is made to hire them. BTW, for nostalgia sake, I taught myself coding on a Commodore 64 in the old line basic and assembler code. Got my first IT job before I graduated from college, but I didn’t get to do any coding for the first couple of years. I just fixed computers and did help desk stuff. But it was a foot in the door. So I go back about 30 years also, altogether, also.

                    1. strike the 2nd also, long day…

                  2. I’ve pretty much seized control of my hiring from HR. They are there to price jobs, post jobs, and handle the paperwork. Period. I review the resumes, do the interviews, and decide who to hire.

                    As a consequence, I have the most babelicious legal department in the country.

    2. By the time those kids have been through 4 years of terror at the hands of these progressive universities, they won’t be emotionally fit to do any type of work. WTF? A job like welding would have them feeling afraid and unsafe the first 5 minutes on the job. They’d be screaming for a safe space. The only thing they will be fit for is a lifetime of paranoid psychosis in their parents’ basement.

  18. From time to time, I work with a welder. She has a Bernie 2016 sticker on her Volvo.

    1. Is she a welder or an artist who does welding?

      1. A MIG welding perfectionist who has taught welding, and does art on the side.

        1. Ok now you you’re turning me on.

          1. Her art is blacksmithing.

            1. Sounds like an artist with a day job.

              Bernie’s natural prey.

      2. Artisanal welding?

        1. Yes, of course, using Organically-grown Argon as the shielding gas.

          *rolls eyes*

    2. “What a feeling!”

    3. Bernie won’t allow any Volvos. Those are for millionaires and billionaires. It will be a little gray gov pea pod sedan for everyone. Equality!

      1. If she’s a bernie Brah, she’s driving the old boxy hippy Volvo. Modern Volvos are officially out of vogue with the crunchy left.

        1. True dat, it’s Prius all the way when you’ve made the big time upper tier ranks of prog society.

        1. You can’t give some people the red pea pod, everyone gets the standard flat gray.

          I wonder if Bernie would have worn a mao pantsuit like Hillary if he would have done better?

  19. Okay, we pay $25/hr plus per diem for structural welders and $34/hr minimum for combo welders. We also pay them for their training at whatever rate they make right now. The only caveat is that to get your stencil, you have to pass xray on your first two production welds. No second chances on that. I think this program passed thirty and failed thirteen. I imagine welding schools (which run about $7500 to $19000 — I have a cousin by marriage who spent $15K and felt he overpaid, but he was making $28/hr on staff at a plant in Noeth Florida or Southern Alabama) are about the same. All the welders we hored as welders had to do certification welds offsite.

    That’s Houston for you. YMMV if you don’t have giant industrial projects and annual industrial refits in your area.

    1. All the welders we hored

      I feel confused. And kinda excited.

  20. There’s irony in a liberal taking that position. As a society we’ve denigrated sweat to the status of fecal matter and if blame had to be assigned, which it of course does not, the academic community, dominated by liberals, is the most obvious target. Diversity does not apply only to race and culture but for many agenda-driven educators, sweat can never be an acceptable option because in their view it means the future of a loser, a peon being taken advantage of by a greedy capitalist. And, significantly, it means the student might not share, thus endorse, the educator’s values. Sadly, despite their academic opportunity, many educators remain as insecure and emotionally needy as a person who has never been exposed to the knowledge available to a college student. No different than a demanding supervisor at a factory, such educator’s need constant affirmation from underlings. Working with one’s hands or having a happy life as a taxi driver is portrayed as “settling” while getting a degree is portrayed as the pathway to getting one over on “the man.” Education is portrayed as the only way to nurture ones intellect and intellect nurturing as the only way to achieve happiness. If other doors are mentioned it is only to make contrast with the glorious golden Door A leading to college. The real tragedy is that media so often perpetuates the myth. People who sweat for a living are depicted as either stupid or with an inner rage at whoever it is that’s keeping em down.

  21. “And very often, these are good union jobs, which is at the core of the middle class.”

    Heh. My welder friend would disagree. He hated his union. He decided one day to proactively sweep an area of debris so that the debris was out of his way. The area wasn’t “assigned” to him and thus he got written up for “taking” another person’s work.

    Unions!! They prevent you from making your workspace clean and safe and prevent other people from doing work for you!!

  22. I don’t know why they picked philosophy to bag on. There are plenty of other majors to pick that do worse than philosophy, if you’re just looking at pay.

    1. I actually read within the last year or so that in today’s market a philosophy BA does better on average than an architecture BA. But that may be a difference in what jobs they are willing to take, post-degree.

      1. Probably has a lot to do with the distribution of intelligence within majors. Smart people make more money. Philosophy majors tend to be smart.

      2. And, of course, a BA in architecture is not the degree you need to sit for the licensing exam, either. Somebody with a BA in architecture is going to be able to pick up draftsman jobs in that field, not architect jobs.

        My philosophy degree was actually quite rigorous. When I showed up at law school, I was very well prepared for the kind of close reading and analysis that they wanted. Better than most of my colleagues.

        Of the other two philosophy majors my year, one went to law school, and I have no idea about the other. This was in the pre-Starbucks era.

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  24. There are other solutions to the supposed welder shortage, too. American companies could invite immigrant workers to do the jobs. That infuriates nativists but works for the companies and for immigrants who choose to come to America.

    The Open Borders Credo: Government policy should benefit US employers and foreigners over US workers.

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    That’s great, but nobody’s telling high school students that those jobs are out there. Instead, since the late 80’s, there’s been a policy push to ensure that every kid graduates high school and goes to college.

    Additionally, for decades, “blue collar” and labor-intensive jobs, skilled or otherwise, have been denigrated as “not real jobs”, “low class”, “low brow”, and/or “for losers”. And this was reinforced in many homes by Union Member, Blue Collar parents that desperately wanted their offspring to “make something better of themselves”.

    Vocational schools have been similarly denigrated, and trade schools and apprenticeships have all but disappeared. As long as Government education policy continues to push college, over and instead of trade skills, free market incentives won’t be terribly effective.

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  34. Ira, you seem to be forgetting something. Perhaps as you say if the federal government steps in yet again to address the dreaded welder shortage, then the private sector can sit on its hands while the shortage becomes a welding glut, and we have itinerant welders going from one barista job to the next. I think the other thing to reflect on though is that young people when given a choice between being a welder and going to college on a loan will do the latter, only to find later that their major is so much BS that doesn’t give them marketable skills. They may be lucky to get a welding job that can help pay off their loans and give them the perspective to realize that they would have been better off taking classes part time while working. But our government never spends enough on education, and that really means that kids can goof off in four year city-size campuses with health clubs, strip malls, and surrounding bars while they “find themselves” and go into debt.

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