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Prince, R.I.P.

Most gifted musician and avatar of liberated strangeness of his era dies.

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Musician Prince Rogers Nelson, who performed as just Prince, is dead at 57.

Beyond being the most prodigiously gifted musician-as-musician of his era, frequently composing, producing, and performing everything on his records, he was a bold rebel in terms of image and message, playing with still-prevalent social confines of propriety in behavior, dress, and comportment, mixing sex and religion like they were his own personal possession he was generous enough to share with us, destroying color lines in pop music and its fandom.

His early song "Uptown" works as a sort of precis of a world he wanted to introduce us to, one where "We don't let society tell us how it's supposed to be/Our clothes, our hair, we don't care/It's all about being there."

His boldness felt completely real, not like he had any particular urge to blow our minds or show up a stuffy society, but just because this was what was exploding from him and dammit it was coming out, whether it was pansexuality and gender-bending, general naughtiness, changing his name to a symbol, embracing and then rejecting internet modernity, or just being an explosive machine producing music far beyond the accepted confines of the modern pop career. His songs commanded exuberant and dark, celebratory and yearning, strange and exploratory and the dead-on obvious, he knew how to use sound and rhythm to make you feel celestial and Stygian, and he just could sing and play those instruments (including the machines that dominated the pop of his era) with such expressive power.

Prince's very resolute and unstudied uniqueness I've found won him enduring and almost universal love from Americans across all race, gender, and political lines. We loved Prince, and in his own way, with his mysteriously distant and endlessly giving approach to music making, he loved us. We'll miss the hell out of him.

He really didn't like giving his music away, so the customary bunch of links to some of his best music is hard to compile here. In my judgment everything from Dirty Mind through and including Batman is God-given food for the soul and mind and feet, and classics like the 1992 Symbol LP kept it coming. "The Holy River" from Emancipation (1996) might be a good one to listen to now, or if you aren't afraid to cry your eyes out, "Sometimes It Snows in April," a gorgeously strange death ballad to his own character in the movie Under the Cherry Moon, from its soundtrack LP Parade (1986). I've always believed his secret masterpiece of expansive progressive endlessly fecund musical and lyrical brilliance was 1988's Lovesexy, but wherever you want to go, Prince'll take you there.

Prince was a prodigiously generous composer at his best, shoving in more musical and rhythmic ideas than he needed to. He was one of the greatest of all time, and it helps a little to realize, especially for those lucky enough to have been close watching him perform, that he knew it, and gloried in it. The teen who insisted on doing everything even on his debut album always knew just how good he could be, and the adult who could sing "in the beginning God made the sea/Then on the 7th day he made me!," knew how great he was. He was right.

Anthony Fisher on Prince's legendary 2007 Super Bowl performance.

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  1. Damn. Good guitar player. Major loss.

    1. I watched him on a guitar solo tribute special on PBS. He was an awesome guitar player. Impressive.

    2. I never liked his music. But it’s too bad he died at 57.

    3. Best half-time show in Supe history, IMO.

      And, yeah, I think I saw that PBS special. A bunch of big names got together to do “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”. Frickin’ awesome.

      Here you go:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

      1. That’s the one, Prince showed up some big names their and I’m not even a fan of his. I do admit he is a musical genius though.

        1. Frankly, the dude was on par with Mozart, that freaking musically talented.

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    4. Damn. Good Great guitar player. Major loss.

      FIFY

  2. At least we still have Lou Reed.

    1. And former wrestler Joanie Laurer, aka Chyna.

      1. We don’t have her any more.

  3. I guess we’re going to get pummeled with all of the mass media – film, music, TV – celebs that we grew up with hitting old age and dying, though 57 is hardly old.

    1. And it looks like he died of the flu.

      1. Party over, oops out of time.

        1. You get out of here, Morris Day!

      2. It probably wasn’t the flu.

        1. Halfway between me and Mad Scientist.

          Email Jesse if you want to be on the list for the next meetup. No Homo.

          1. I spoke to Jesse yesterday about possibly arranging another brunch soon. Full homo.

            1. What if we call it something other than brunch?

              1. Btw, I’m back in LA on Saturday for more than a week. Just saying.

                1. I’m thinking something during the first two weeks of May. Perhaps a Cinco de Drinko meetup? I’ll look into getting the email chain started.

                  1. Cinco de Mayo is on Taco Tuesday this year. It’s going to be out of control.

              2. ‘Orgy in the bathhouse’?

                You know this might not end well.

                1. It’s assuredly not gay as long as no one’s ball touch.

                  1. Grah, all this talk of homosex has my fingers slipping. balls*

                    1. Give Jesse a deep, French kiss from me.

                    2. I’m splitting time between NorCal (Santa Cruz) and SoCal (San Diego) right now. I can’t claim to be full homo, or even partly homo, but a career in the military…well, you know how it is, boys. Sometimes shit happens.

                      Is the circle jerk already fully closed?

  4. I don’t think I can hum the tune of a single Prince song. I don’t even think I know any titles other than “Purple Rain”.

    But I do know this much: Game – Blouses

    1. “1999”
      “When Doves Cry”
      “Raspberry Beret”
      “Little Red Corvette”

      I’d like to YouTube but it looks like Prince was aggressive about shutting down videos that use his music.

      1. Oh, I’ve heard of 1999. “Party like it’s 1999″…right? But, yeah, I totally forgot about that one.

        I thought “When Doves Cry” was some old timey movie. Or a Simpsons reference.

        1. Sigh, the kids these days.

        2. I eat doves for breakfast.

        3. Good Lord. Go get the album Purple Rain and don’t come back until you’ve listened to all of it….

      2. Don’t forget how WB ruined the 1989 Batman soundtrack with his music. Nothing say ‘The Dark Knight’ like Prince.

        1. It fit quite well for the Gotham City they created.

      3. he chilled out on that last year, I believe. Plus he’s always been on the sketchier youtube ripoffs like vimeo

        1. Vimeo is not a YouTube ripoff. I use it to house videos I need to link to from time to time (my own work). It’s more stable and has more preferences and settings than YT.

    2. Oh cmon, everyone knows 1999 and When Doves Cry

      1. LynchPin1477 was dreaming when he wrote that post.

    3. Kiss? Let’s Go Crazy? 1999? Bat dance? Doves Cry?

      1. I think Prince is one of those artists where everyone knows they were a huge influence and everyone has heard a few of their songs, but if you didn’t actively like them and follow them, then you probably couldn’t keep up with what they were doing and and can’t really put a name to their music.

        I’m the same as lynchpin and it was the same when David Bowie died. I always knew who he was and knew that he was a huge influence but never really listened to him on purpose. Then when he died everyone was playing him and it was like “wow, that was David Bowie… I didn’t realize…”.

        1. Even people who didn’t like Prince’s music liked Prince’s music.

    4. They interviewed Prince about that. He said it happened exactly as Charlie Murphy described it, except that he could never dunk.

      1. What I wouldn’t give for more “Charlie Murphy’s True Hollywood Stories”

        1. They should just make that into it’s own TV show. I would watch that.

        2. “What I wouldn’t give for more “Charlie Murphy’s True Hollywood Stories””

          THIS

    5. You are not alone. I also can’t name a single Prince song.

      1. Look here, Marsha. I’m not sayin’ this just to be nasty.
        I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth.
        Can you relate?

    1. Damn, Chyna died? Being a wrestler is NOT good for your life expectancy.

      I was absolutely *convinced* for a while that she was actually a man. I wonder if she could beat Prince in a one-on-one pick-up game.

      1. She died a la Elvis. Shitty little apartment in the next town over, in and out of rehab, and probably ODed.

        1. I assume assume pretty much all wrestlers die in a literal or metaphorical gutter.

          1. Chris Benoit died defending his family from a Satanist.

            1. That one is just plain heartbreaking.

        2. 900 block of Esplanade in Redondo Beach looks nice enough to me.

    2. That chick could really fuck on film.

  5. So does this mean Minnesota now has only one black person: Kirby Puckett?

    1. Kirby Puckett died years ago, bruh.

      1. Huh, so look how young black people in Minnesota die. Coincidence? I think not.

    1. Yes but please don’t, yawning is contagious.

  6. WTF. I saw him in concert about a month ago, and he was great.

    1. Probably photoshopped.

      1. Danny, I need to update my version of Photoshop then

        1. I don’t actually think your name is Danny, that was just my stupid phone

  7. No doubt.

    Incredible song writer.

    Even the songs he wrote for other people or performed by other people.

    Sinead O’Connor’s Nothing Compares to You

    Sheila E’s Love Bizarre

    I love The Eels cover of I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man and Foo Fighters doing Darling Nikki.

    To me, that was the greatest thing about him–he was a great, great songwriter. Like John Lennon good.

    1. Darling Nikki…great, great songwriter

      But apparently didn’t get the memo on who was the worst.

      1. Huh?

        I don’t get it.

        1. Our local Nikki is the worst and certainly no one’s “Darling”.

          1. Once she was just “nicole.” I dubbed her Nikki after the song and she held on to the handle in different forms.

            1. Huh. You learn something new every day.

          2. This is why Ken will never be one of the cool kids.

            1. Oh, there are many, many reasons.

              1. His dead-fish handshake and his odd, strabismatic stare being only two of them.

                1. I’d rate the stench of stale onions that continuously emanates from his pores above those.

              1. My wife apparently went to college with that guy’s son.

                1. He gave a TED talk. I’m serious.

              2. I saw Lesko at a Northern Virginia starbucks, once. He was wearing the suit and talking on his cell phone.

                1. My commie aunt (who ran the library for the college where she taught prior to retirement) and some other volunteers brought Lesko to do a presentation at the dedication of the new school library they had gotten built. The presentation had to be cut somewhat short, as Lesko’s subject matter was somewhat ‘npmature’ for the little tykes. He was also very hyper, just like on TV.

              3. Um . . . NOT!

          3. “Our local Nikki is the worst and certainly no one’s “Darling”

            Okay, Okay!

            Now I get it.

            Okay?

    2. Dude even made Sheena Easton interesting.

      I always figured that was like a personal challenge for him. He must have figured–if I can make Sheena Easton awesome, I can do anything.

      1. Don’t forget Vanity.

        “Nasty Girl”

        1. And The Bangles. “Manic Monday” was a song he wrote for them.

          1. Probably in exchange for a variety of sexual acts so depraved even you’d be leery of writing about them.

          2. I Feel For You

            Chakra Khan

      2. I’m looking at Easton’s CV. She was no slouch. She was a Scot but won a Grammy for best Mexican-American performance. Also performed country with Kenny Rogers, and sang R&B besides pop.

        She also sang the James Bond theme to For Your Eyes Only.

        Probably didn’t write much but she could sing.

        1. She was no True Scotsman.

        2. When Prince got a hold of Sheena Easton, she was about as interesting as Karen Carpenter or Pat Boone’s daughter–the one that sang You Light Up My Life.

          zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    3. I love The Eels cover of I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man

      Goo Goo Dolls cover is better.

      1. Goo Goo Dolls? I didn’t realize that you were a 14-year-old girl and this was 1998.

        1. Goo Goo Dolls were once an interesting post-punk band from Buffalo. Once.

    4. Geez, why don’t you insult Prince while you at it. He was a hell of a lot better than Lennon.

  8. “Darling Nikki”

    Number one on Tipper Gore’s Filthy Fifteen list of dirty songs.

  9. Damn. That sucks. I could use a dip in the clensing waters of Lake Minetonka to ease the pain.

    1. you forgot an n, with Minnesota lakes 2 M’s are standard.

  10. I think the most impressive compliment you could pay Prince would be that a lot of people who listened mainly to entirely different genres of music enjoyed his songs. I listen to very little pop and funk. I’m a punk/metal guy, but I liked a lot of his stuff.

    1. Many local punks and headbangers loved Prince.

  11. According to Charlie Murphy, he was a baller.

  12. We lost Doris Roberts a few days ago too. Not sure if anyone has mentioned it.

    1. The tennis player?

      1. Everybody Loves Raymond and Grandma’s Boy

        1. Christmas Vacation is what I’ll always remember her from even though she only had like 6 lines.

          1. Remington Steele?

            C’mon people, Grandma’s Boy?

    2. I wondered why Crusty was wearing his mourning thong.

  13. Now serving pancakes for breakfast in heaven.

  14. I remember MTV with Mark Goodman and Prince’s “Little Red Corvette” with umm …. Well I remember it.

  15. When my wife was in middle school she put a poster of Prince on her door, then her asshole brother ripped it down calling him a “Puerto Rican faggot.”

    1. Charming lad. Is he still a douchebag or has he reformed?

      1. No, he just died today. RTFA!!!

        1. So he never reformed his deviant Puerto Rican ways???

          1. Twin Cities assholes are like that, you know.

  16. “On April 15, 2016, Prince’s private plane was forced to land in Illinois so he could seek medical treatment for flu-like symptoms. He performed in concert one day later.[180]

    On April 21, 2016, Prince died at the age of 57. He was found unresponsive within his home in Chanhassen.”

    I don’t think we are getting the whole story here.

    The guy was a fantastically talented musician, and a fruit loop. The world is a poorer place without him.

    1. For real. I never heard he was sick. What the hell happened?

      I suspect (just through anecdotes i’ve heard in the past) he probably had some bizarre attitudes about health-treatment on top of everything else.

      1. He’d gotten one hip replaced already (decades of doing splits in high heels are hell on the joints) and his doctors told him he’d need the other one replaced too, but then he got really into Jehovah’s Witnesseyism and wouldn’t get the surgery. Bizarre attitudes towards treatments is not outside the realm of possibility.

    2. The flu can do that to someone, especially if they are older and live a stressful life. It’s not that common, but it happens.

    3. He was only 40 minutes away from his destination when they made the emergency landing.

      Does not compute.

      1. It was an inside job.

    4. Marc Bolan (T Rex) died in car crash in 1971. Prince was talented for sure a would put in the cast of glam rockers, but he was a bit a late to party.

      1. Prince was talented for sure a would put in the cast of glam rockers, but he was a bit a late to party.

        Prince was more than just a “glam rocker”

  17. I guess I should of known by the way you parked your car sideways that it wouldn’t last.

  18. I haz much fishy sad.

  19. He was better than Michael Jackson.

    1. I completely agree.

      Michael was a great singer, but Prince wrote like 100 more interesting songs. Just a broader talent.

      1. Plus, he didn’t try and molest children. Definitely gives him and edge over Michael in my book.

  20. I guess the purple reign is over.

  21. “Most gifted musician”? Get back to me when you find someone who can play this, much less compose something like it.

    1. Who had 2:08pm in the pool?

      1. Hey – I consider it my sacred duty whenever another pop musician dies and the flood of slobbering paeans pours in to say, “the Emperor wears no (musical) clothes!”

        1. if you define the quality of music based on how difficult it is to play, you’re a fucking moron.

          jus’ sayin’.

          1. No, that’s not what I’m saying. But if you don’t have proper technique then the range of what you can play and how you play it is greatly limited. People are singing the praises of Prince as a guitarist, but frankly I’ve never heard him play anything that shows he has any technical command of the instrument like a Segovia or a Williams.

            As for Prince as a composer, it is standard pop fare. Melodically insipid, harmonically static, rhythmically jejune.

            1. Do you have a link to Segovia’s version of Purple Rain?

              1. I imagine that Segovia would have considered Purple Rain beneath him. This is what I mean by good guitar technique. Tarrega is also a fine guitar composer.

                1. You know nothing about music.

                  1. Enlighten me.

                    1. All music is entertainment; the quality is in the pleasure it gives people. Thinking that a tiny slice of classical music is the only-acceptable form for people to critically appreciate is be willfully ignorant of the enormous range and style of forms that have existed throughout history. Doo-Wop is as valuable as Bluegrass which is as valuable as Hungarian folk music which is as valuable as sea-shanties which are as valuable Duke Ellington who is as valuable as Segovia. People who are especially talented in any given area are worthy of respect. Your ostentatious lack of appreciation of this variety doesn’t make your opinions more-valid. Its exactly the opposite. It make you look silly for being proud of your own ignorance. Anyone who has this kind of attitude is never taken seriously by anyone, especially in the music world. Segovia would tell you that you’re a moron as well.

                    2. Wow, what GILMORE said. Well done. Keep that paragraph around for when any self-important fuckwad starts spouting that his preferred kind of art is better than every other. Within a genre or out of it.

                      I have always hated elitist snobbery.

                    3. I don’t think there’s a fundamental disagreement between us that taste is subjective. If someone listens to a jackhammer and exclaims, “that is the most wonderful music I have ever heard!”, who am I to invalidate his subjective enjoyment? By all means, follow your bliss and listen to the jackhammer.
                      Note, then, that a value judgment that “X musician is great!” has the same claim to “truth” that “X musician sucks ass!” does. What I’m doing expressing my distaste for this music is no different than someone expressing their approbation for it (save that approbation appears to be the only acceptable sentiment here).

                    4. But when someone says, “this jackhammer operator is the finest musician who has ever lived!” or “this jackhammer music is so inventive and creative!” I feel a (perhaps mischievous) urge to point out that the jackhammer “music” is rather repetitive, doesn’t change key often (or rather at all), and doesn’t do anything rhythmically. Outside of taste we do have objective tests of skill for the jackhammer-operator ? can he play an interval? Can he play a chord? Can he play a run? A trill? Can he play multiple voices simultaneously? Judging the composition, we have other objective tests ? Does this piece change key? What form is this in? How is the melody structured? How often does the rhythm change? Does the composer utilize counterpoint? After utilizing these objective tests, it doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong for someone to continue to like the jackhammer “music.” But likewise I can’t be seen as “wrong” for using stringent standards in what music I consider to be good.

                    5. You’re too stupid to actually even address what i said.

                      I didn’t say everything is subjective; i said =


                      “”Thinking that a tiny slice of classical music is the only-acceptable form for people to critically appreciate is be willfully ignorant of the enormous range and style of forms that have existed throughout history. …People who are especially talented in any given area are worthy of respect. “”

                      I reiterate = you know nothing about music.

                      You suffer under the illusion that pretending to have fine sensibilities makes you seem smart/sophisticated to others. It doesn’t. It reveals massive insecurity and intellectual incapability.

                    6. Insults aside, I didn’t say everything was subjective. I said that taste is subjective. I went on to discuss other things that are objective – but that accepting these objective criteria as defining good and bad music is itself a subjective choice.

                      Anyway, where did I say that “classical music is the only acceptable form for people to critically appreciate”?

                      And by the way, I don’t see you displaying a greater knowledge of music in any of your comments. Perhaps you are a fine musicologist, but nothing you have said strikes me as particularly learned.

                    7. because i’m not a poseur trying to impress anyone.

                    8. I rather enjoy being impressed. I’m impressed by great music written by great composers, for instance.

                    9. great. you’re still a fucking moron.

                    10. Well, you’ve convinced me. Your witty insults have won. I have changed my mind. Prince? Nay! Call him “King!”

                    11. I’m not an Elvis man, but i’m afraid that title is already taken.

                    12. “Doo-Wop is as valuable as Bluegrass”

                      Wait just a damned minute. You go too far Gilmore. You go too far.

                    13. LITTLE ANTHONY AND THE FUCKING IMPERIALS?!?!?!???!

                    14. This is not me thinking doo-wop is not valuable, but the exact opposite.

                    15. Fuck. That’s well-written, Gilly. I almost got up and applauded after reading that…but then I looked around my empty hotel room and realized that would be a little silly.

                2. Can you give me some more YouTube links for similar ditties on the lute? That was a really good.

                3. I remember you from university heresiarch. You taught music and even then were adamant that the classics were the only real music. Pop stuff was not music. It always amazes me when people make what they consider objective assertions about subjective things.

                  I bet you don’t eat real food either.

                  1. I remember you, too. Those “lessons” I gave to your girlfriend? Ass sex. And no, I wasn’t receiving.

            2. “Proper technique” is whatever is required to play the song, and if you think the song sucks because you don’t like the genre, then you’re not judging the skill…you’re just being a snob

              1. I don’t like the genre because it is “Melodically insipid, harmonically static, rhythmically jejune.” It’s also a feature of pop music that the vast majority of the players lack technique, which greatly limits what they can play and how they can play it. A guitarist like Segovia could play Purple Rain if he desired, but he could also play a Tarrega jota. I doubt Prince could play that same jota, or if he could with the same polish. As Hofmann said, having technique is like having money. You can spend that money wisely or foolishly, but if you don’t have the money to begin with you can’t spend it at all.

                1. “And here is a fine example of a music douche, he is only found on the internet because he would be drawn & quartered in public.”

                  1. “Burn the heretic!”

                2. Cool story, bro. Thanks for sharing.

                3. I don’t care if it is a real word, I have trouble taking anyone who would use “jejune” in a sentence seriously. Add “insipid” to the same sentence and it must be some sort of joke that is too inside for others to understand.

                  1. “I have trouble taking anyone who would use jejune in a sentence seriously”

                    How gauche *sips wine haughtily*

                4. “Segovia could play Purple Rain if he desired”

                  So musical ability is no more than transcription, gotcha

                5. Can I please be your apprentice? I have very much to be learning!

            3. I hope The Heresiarch gets a crick in his neck from all the looking down his nose he’s doing.

              1. That’s rather mean-spirited. ^^;

              2. Anyone who says “X band is good” and “Y band is bad” is doing the same thing. When people say “classical music is boring” or “Beethoven was a horrible composer,” I don’t get upset. I chuckle to myself. Yet whenever I mock popular music, it’s as if I’m challenging peoples’ religion. Sorry, I’m killing your Buddha. Prince sucks, the Beatles were trite at best, and the Velvet Underground licks donkey balls. Or to personalize it as the Onion did, “Your favorite band sucks.”

                1. There’s nothing wrong with having a preference, if you are honest and don’t act like you’re giving an objective appraisal of ability.

                2. Heresiarch:

                  Do your attitudes about music also carry over into art and architecture? I’m guessing they do and you believe a structure like the Parthenon or a painting by Raphael to be the ultimate.

                  1. Yup.

                    1. And why exactly is that? What about either of those works is so great that they can be considered “ultimate?”

                    2. Adherence to aesthetic standards that I accept (and the persons at the time) but that many people today do not. I don’t think there’s any a priori reason why anyone has to accept these aesthetic standards of mine (or of Phidias or of Raphael). But likewise there is no a priori reason why I have to accept the aesthetic standards of the (post-)modernists.

                    3. Fair point. It should be noted that I don’t particularly care for post-modern aesthetics and I do appreciate classical works. That being said, I do value creativity and innovation which are largely shunned by classicists who think we should emulate works from 500, 1000, 2000, etc. years ago.

                3. I reiterate = you know nothing about music. You’re a walking definition of poseur.

                4. Anyone who says “X band is good” and “Y band is bad” is doing the same thing.

                  No, they’re not, because they usually specify the criteria that they’re applying that equals to “good or bad” within the framework of that genre.

                  You on the other hand know nothing about music, so naturally you’re utterly incapable of saying why Prince is ‘bad’ in the context of modern pop/funk music.

                  1. I think I see what the problem is. You are saying that I can’t say why Prince is “‘bad’ in the context of modern pop/funk music.” That last part – “in the context of modern pop/funk music” – is the part that I find irrelevant. Maybe Prince when compared to other pop musicians does really well. Lord knows I’ve heard enough truly horrible pop music that yes, I can accept that Prince, in comparison to the dregs of pop music, shines forth as a better artist. But when I listen to music, I listen to music qua music. Genres are irrelevant. I care about tones. I compare a piece to all music, rather than restricting the comparison to an artificial subset.

                    1. We already noted that you try to fob off your ignorance of genre as a virtue. You don’t need to repeat that.

                    2. Why should I only compare a piece of music with other pieces in its genre (however that’s defined) rather than with the entire musical corpus? What makes my comparison illegitimate and your comparison legitimate?

                    3. Your presumption of knowledge of “The entire musical corpus” is a bullshit handwaving gesture to cover for the fact that NO ONE has a detailed appreciation of the ‘entire musical corpus’. Pretending that such a thing is even possible is just more evidence of your own combination of hubris and stupidity, and lack of awareness of how obvious it is to everyone else.

                      A person can spend a lifetime and probably only develop a mature comprehension of maybe a handful of musical genres, while having a dilettante’s grasp of the nature of a handful of others; and when making critical judgements within those genres, people whose opinion is actually worth listening to will be clear to point out what their own limitations are, and what areas they tend to overweight in their own critical view.

                      You seem to have a 12yr old’s point of view; you think “fancy stuff = smart!” and that other people should be impressed by your appreciation of fancy stuff. Because of your immaturity you’re incapable of seeing your own pretensions for what they are.

                    4. So I read through the insults and I still can’t find where you answered my question. I assume that means that you don’t have an answer.

                      I don’t expect someone to compare a given piece of music to the reams of music that that person hasn’t listened to. Of course, that’s impossible. But why should we only judge a piece of music by an arbitrarily set genre (and keeping in mind that the definition of a genre will differ widely amongst listeners)? Why can’t we compare it to all the music that we’ve experienced?

                    5. Here was the question

                      Why should I only compare a piece of music with other pieces in its genre (however that’s defined) rather than with the entire musical corpus?

                      here was the answer

                      Your presumption of knowledge of “The entire musical corpus” is a bullshit handwaving gesture to cover for the fact that NO ONE has a detailed appreciation of the ‘entire musical corpus’. Pretending that such a thing is even possible is just more evidence of your own combination of hubris and stupidity.

                      You now admit you DO NOT have a grasp of “the entire musical corpus”, but rather some limited frame of reference.

                      e.g. (“”Why can’t we compare it to all the music that we’ve experienced?“”)

                      Your inability to specify that frame of reference and explain why its provides you any particular insights into the works of X (in this case, Prince) is just more evidence of musical ignorance. Even a dilettante would at least suggest than Y (someone not prince) provides a superior example of the particular form.

                      Instead you whip out inarticulate references to things like “tones”… as though you or anyone possess the capability to make aesthetic judgements of wavelengths by-themselves (*”now *that’s* a great 130.81hz!”), & pretend to dismiss entire forms while demonstrating zero knowledge of them.

                      Calling you a moron isn’t an insult; its an observation that you’re doing nothing to disprove.

                    6. “Your inability to specify that frame of reference and explain why its provides you any particular insights into the works of X (in this case, Prince) is just more evidence of musical ignorance. Even a dilettante would at least suggest than Y (someone not prince) provides a superior example of the particular form.”

                      My inability to explain the frame of reference? I think I did explain it. The frame of reference is the music I have listened to (just as each person makes judgments based upon the music they have listened to). You have still to explain why I must compartmentalize my judgment of Prince’s music to “pop/funk.” I’m sure we can find all sorts of other genres to put Prince’s music into…R & B, soul, psychedelia, whatever. By why must we do so? By what heuristic have we found the “right” category? And how do you know that you yourself have listened to enough music in that category (however it is chosen) that you are no longer a “dilettante”? Why can’t you just judge it as pure music, based upon the music you have listened to?

                    7. there is no such thing as “pure music” sans any specified frame of reference.

                      Shotgun questions are the rhetorical M.O. of stupid people who don’t have an argument.

                      I should have washed my hands of you 2 hours ago; i’m done now.

                    8. Avoiding giving a response is the modus operandi of someone who has no answer.

                  2. Gilmore don’t you see, human creativity peaked 300, 400 years ago and any new art after that is degenerate and worthy of the wood chipper.

                    1. Now where did I say that? There’s a lot of words being put in my mouth here.

            4. All music must adhere to the Method. The Method has been scientifically proven to be the best. There is nothing but the Method.

            5. standard pop fare. Melodically insipid, harmonically static, rhythmically jejune.

              Why you son of a BITCH! *cries frantically, hugging well-worn copy of Phil Collins’ No Jacket Required cassette.*

              1. Shh, shh. It will be OK.

              2. Why you son of a BITCH! *cries frantically, hugging well-worn copy of Phil Collins’ No Jacket Required cassette.*

                Seriously? That’s the one you pick?

                1. He could be referencing Patrick Bateman in “American Psycho“, who was also something of a fan.

            6. “As for Prince as a composer, it is standard pop fare. Melodically insipid, harmonically static, rhythmically jejune”

              A song isn’t necessarily supposed to be a showcase for virtuosos.

              The form is meant to connect with a wide audience.

              There is no reason why a song can’t be a showcase for a virtuoso, but when I listen to Robert Johnson (an early virtuoso) recording of Preachin’ Blues, it isn’t the virtuosity of his playing that stands out. It’s the lyrics, the structure, the ability to connect with his audience–even the poetry in the lyrics.

              “Well, the blues, is a achin’ old heart disease

              Like consumption, killing me by degrees

              I can study rain”

              Rating a song composer’s ability by the virtuosity of the guitar playing is like rating an opera singer by the quality of the sets. I wouldn’t knock Charlie Parker or Bach for not writing great American songs–because writing American popular songs wasn’t what they were about.

              Your problem doesn’t seem to be with Prince as a songwriter. It just seems that you don’t like the American song as an art form. Or maybe you like an American song insofar as it mimics Jazz virtuoso playing or baroque composition.

              My cousin is a world class organist. I’d listen to her play Bach all day. She isn’t much of a song writer. She couldn’t write a song like Prince. But that doesn’t mean she’s a crappy organist.

              Prince is one hell of a songwriter despite my cousin being a virtuoso on the organ, too.

              1. The playing is separate from the composing. One can be a great performer and shitty composer, and vice versa. Historically, the best composers were often great performers (Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Handel, Scarlatti, Liszt, Hummel, Clementi…) But that’s not always the case. Anyway, people are saying that 1) Prince was a great songwriter (composer) and 2) Prince was a great guitarist (performer). I am saying, no he sucks ass both as a composer and performer.

                1. I’m saying he was a great composer of American popular songs–the quintessential American music form.

                  You just don’t seem to like his genre.

                  “Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Handel, Scarlatti, Liszt, Hummel, Clementi

                  Which one of them wrote American popular songs?

                  It’s your right to be a music snob against American popular songs if you like but if you can’t compare Prince unfavorably to some other great writer of American popular songs, then somebody might rightly suspect you of being a snob against the art form.

                  1. I care only about tones and their arrangement. Vibrations in the air which cause vibrations in my ear which causes the sensation of sound in my brain. Whether or not a piece of music comes from America or Europe or Mars is irrelevant. How are those tones arranged? Is it interesting? Is it beautiful? Does it display wit and learning? That’s what I care about.

                    1. You failed to mention the name of a composer of popular American songs that you like better than Prince.

                      I’m sure they’re out there. If you can’t think of any off the top of your head, you might start looking here:

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ American_popular_music

                      And if we’re comparing apples to apples, you might mention some of his contemporaries.

                      Mind you, I’m not saying Prince was the greatest songwriter of all time. I’m just saying he was a great song writer.

                      At this point, I’m still not convinced you think any American popular songwriters can be great. And that’s my point. It’s one thing to say you don’t care for the art form. Quite another to say Prince wasn’t a good songwriter.

                    2. Can be great? Sure. Ones that actually are or were? I can’t think of any. But music is music, and can be compared as such. Tones from a Prince song can be compared to tones from a Beethoven string quartet. I have weighed the tones, and the Prince songs have been found lacking.

                    3. Tones sound better in a string quartet?

                      Are you saying that the same chords sound better when Beethoven uses them?

                      You don’t like Prince’s choice of instrumentation?

                    4. No. Listen to a Prince song. Say, “Little Red Corvette.” Listen to how often the bass line repeats. Listen to how often the melody repeats. Listen to each individual line played and hear how often it changes (or does not). Listen to how often the key changes. Listen to how even the dynamic level is throughout whole stretches of the song.

                      Now listen to a Beethoven string quartet. Perform the same analysis.

                    5. What you described was not an analysis but a list of details with zero value ascribed to any of them.

                      Again = you know nothing about music.

                    6. Let us do a Schenker analysis, then.

                      You saying someone else doesn’t know about music =/= you displaying any knowledge of music yourself. Please, be a poseur. Impress me with your vast musicological knowledge.

                    7. I don’t need to “impress you” to continue to observe that nothing you said was an “analysis”. That was a list of details. Do you know what the word “analysis” means?

                      How often must the bass-line repeat before it becomes bad (*or good?) How much dynamic range is the “correct” amount? Is there ever *too much*? why are “key changes” a good-thing, necessarily? Many works – including many classical works – never alter the root key *even once*?

                      And why is whatever arbitrary formula you hit upon for any of these things supposed to apply to ALL music instead of just within a specific genre?

                      And why would anyone not find that approach unbelievably stupid and ignorant?

                      as someone else observed below – you give the impression of someone who has literally never touched a musical instrument, or even studied music theory in a passing way. My best guess is you listened to one of Leonard Bernstein’s harvard lectures and fancied yourself one of The Elect afterward.

                      Do you need something to pretend to be intelligent about? Ok… share your wisdom about the following =

                      “Do you believe any of the modes (classical or modern; e.g. Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Mixolydian, Locrian, etc.) are inherently superior to one another? And Why? Show your work”

                    8. Name me one symphony that does not modulate once throughout the entire piece. I’ll be waiting.

                      Your question about modes is nonsensical.

                    9. Just as nonsensical as your claim that entire genres can be declared “inferior”;

                      I figured you’d at least try to extend your bullshit M.O. to suggest that classical Greek modes were by design superior to modern modes which utilize less-mathematically-resolved structures. The argument has been made before. They were wrong, of course, but at least they had an argument that made sense, unlike you.

                    10. You’re putting words in my mouth. I did not say entire genres are to be declared “inferior” for everyone. They are inferior to me, and to others who share my aesthetic sensibilities. There is no a priori reason why you or anyone else has to share those sensibilities. Continue to listen to your jackhammer. I shall not steal your bliss.

                      And I’m still waiting for that symphony that never modulates (and yes, it has to be a common practice symphony. No cheating by picking a modern piece without key).

                    11. I’m still waiting for you to explain how your splattering of details was supposed to constitute an “analysis” – i.e. the actual questions i asked?

                      I said, “Work” not symphony. The point was simply to get you to address the above questions, which by not doing, i’ve decided you’re intellectually dishonest on top of just being a silly pretentious cunt.

                    12. I once submitted a short screenplay to a contest. The submission fee included a detailed analysis. What followed was a list of story elements, each with a numerical rating. They rated the story as kind-of good, but nowhere in the analysis was the answer to the fundamental question “How did it make you feel?”

                    13. You said “work” and linked to a list of symphonies. Why would you link to this if it were not an example of what you were trying to show (pieces of classical music that do not modulate)? Oh dear, I’m beginning to suspect that you haven’t the faintest clue about music theory.

                      As for an analysis, it was a response to Ken Schultz who may or may not know music theory. It was by no means a comprehensive list of aspects that we could examine. One may examine the meter, the instrumentation, the form, the harmonic progressions used, the themes, the modulations, and the use of counterpoint (or lack thereof), to name just a few. If you have taken a theory class, this analysis should not be foreign to you.

                    14. Again, descriptive details are not “analysis”.

                      Whether something has lots of key-changes, a few, or none has absolutely zero to do with any quality of a work. Nor does more (or less) of any other descriptive characteristic… like its instrumentation, counterpoint, modes/scales employed… or anything else you should happen to list.

                      You’re suggesting that merely describing details about a given work yields you some objective determination of its relative merits (or quality, or whatever term you want to use)

                      You suggest that some difference in these characteristics allowed you to determine that “little red corvette” was inferior to Beethoven. That makes zero fucking sense as already noted above.

                      Until you specify what exactly arbitrary value you’re ascribing to these otherwise valueless characteristics, you’re simply throwing out terms that mean nothing by themselves.

                      How often must the bass-line repeat before it becomes bad (*or good?) How much dynamic range is the “correct” amount? Is there ever *too much*? why are “key changes” a good-thing, necessarily?

                      I even pointed you to an example of people who HAVE tried to apply some ‘objective criteria’ to musical structures to create some formulae for ‘musical superiority’ (here’s another)

                      So show us your “Analysis” and stop pretending that listing terms means anything. You’re still just proving the “moron” part so far.

                    15. “You’re suggesting that merely describing details about a given work yields you some objective determination of its relative merits (or quality, or whatever term you want to use)”

                      That’s pretty much the opposite of what I’ve been saying. Re-read my comments, and tell me where I said that I can objectively determine for all that Beethoven is better than Prince.

                      And I am now thoroughly convinced that you are utterly ignorant of music theory. Which is pretty amusing, seeing as you constantly accused me of musical ignorance.

                    16. “”. Re-read my comments, and tell me where”” =


                      The Heresiarch|4.21.16 @ 4:20PM| block | mute | #

                      Tones from a Prince song can be compared to tones from a Beethoven string quartet. I have weighed the tones, and the Prince songs have been found lacking.

                      Ken Shultz|4.21.16 @ 6:00PM| block | mute | #

                      Tones sound better in a string quartet?

                      Are you saying that the same chords sound better when Beethoven uses them?

                      You don’t like Prince’s choice of instrumentation?

                      The Heresiarch|4.21.16 @ 6:31PM| block | mute | #

                      No. Listen to a Prince song. Say, “Little Red Corvette.” Listen to how often the bass line repeats. Listen to how often the melody repeats. Listen to each individual line played and hear how often it changes (or does not). Listen to how often the key changes. Listen to how even the dynamic level is throughout whole stretches of the song.

                      Now listen to a Beethoven string quartet. Perform the same analysis.

                      For the third time, that’s not an analysis.

                      You suggest that some difference in these characteristics allowed you to determine that “little red corvette” was inferior to Beethoven. That makes zero fucking sense as already noted above.

                      “”Until you specify what exactly arbitrary value you’re ascribing to these otherwise valueless characteristics, you’re simply throwing out terms that mean nothing by themselves.””

                      I stand by my observation that you are a fucking moron who knows nothing about music.

                    17. You’re conveniently leaving out where I say things like:

                      “I don’t think there’s any a priori reason why anyone has to accept these aesthetic standards of mine ”

                      or

                      ” If someone listens to a jackhammer and exclaims, “that is the most wonderful music I have ever heard!”, who am I to invalidate his subjective enjoyment? By all means, follow your bliss and listen to the jackhammer.”

                    18. Heresiarch: Gillmore, I have a piece of music to play for you.
                      Gillmore: Get on with it, you musically ignorant cunt.
                      Heresiarch: Charming as always, Gillmore. Here you go:
                      [Heresiarch plays the musical piece, which consists of the single note of middle c, played for fifteen seconds].
                      Heresiarch: Well, what did you think?
                      Gillmore: It was awful!
                      Heresiarch: And why is that?
                      Gillmore: It was just one note, you dilettante! There was no swing, no groove, no pulse, no nothing. There were no lyrics, no instruments except that one, and what it played didn’t change. And it only lasted just fifteen seconds! Boring! Even you could do better, you mendacious cunt!
                      Heresiarch: But Gillmore, that sounds an awful lot like analyzing a piece of music using objective aspects of that music and making an aesthetic judgment based upon that analysis.
                      Gillmore: It’s no such thing! You’re a lying moron, totally ignorant of music!

                    19. The Heresiarch is J. Evans Pritchard!

                    20. Why are you comparing a popular American song to a string quartets?

                      Apples and oranges–does that concept escape you completely?

                      Classical music buffs don’t even compare chamber music to symphonies. Why do you think it’s appropriate to compare popular American music to a string quartet?

                      Yes, American songs tend to have a certain structure and, call and response is an especially American mark.

                      String quartets tend to have a conversational aspect to them–is there any other way in which the composition of each is similar? The intended audiences aren’t even the same.

                      If you want American popular songs to sound like chamber music, then your problem isn’t with Prince as a composer. You just don’t like the art form of American popular songs.

                      I don’t care for sauerkraut, but I understand that the way some people make it is better than others–even if I don’t particularly care for any of it myself. I certainly wouldn’t knock a great chef by saying his sauerkraut sucks–when it isn’t the way he makes it that I don’t like. I just don’t like any sauerkraut.

                      I’m still yet to see you name a single popular American song that you like. If you don’t like the art form, why not just admit that you don’t like American popular song as an art form? . . . what’s next? Will you compare Prince to the piano concerto?

                    21. I think I’ve admitted as much. The American popular song is not art, in my estimation. But it’s not art not because it’s an American popular song. It’s not art because it’s repetitive and uninspired.

                      “Classical music buffs don’t even compare chamber music to symphonies.”

                      You’re not hanging out with enough classical music buffs. Pssst: Chamber pieces are played by symphony orchestras, and vice versa.

                  2. “You just don’t seem to like his genre”

                    Prince sucks because pop sucks seems to be the sum of his argument, but he’s not into the whole brevity thing.

                    1. Right, and pop sucks because of the features I talked about above.

                    2. “Prince sucks because pop sucks seems to be the sum of his argument, but he’s not into the whole brevity thing.”

                      I’ll tell ya, that Martin Scorsese is no William Shakespeare.

                      Of course, Scorsese was writing for an audience of hundreds of millions of people in a popular medium that didn’t exist in Shakespeare’s day . . .

                      Different medium, different genre, different standards.

                      Raging Bull and Taxi Driver aren’t Hamlet or King Lear, but I’m gonna go ahead and say they’re great works of drama anyway. . . . even if they weren’t written for the stage.

                    3. You don’t need permission from me. You’re certainly free to do so. Just as I’m free to say certain things are not so good.

              2. I wouldn’t knock Charlie Parker or Bach for not writing great American songs–because writing American popular songs wasn’t what they were about.

                You might enjoy this.

                Or perhaps this.

                1. And then there are the European classical composers who did write American songs.

            7. By the time classical (general usage) turned to the Romantic Era, it turned to shit. Give me Classical (narrow usage) or baroque any time.

              1. I’ll tell ya, what really bugs me about this?

                I was a punk rock guy back when it was all happening. I still read critics writing about this band or that band in terms of the records they put out–and it never seems to dawn on the critics that punk rock wasn’t about the recordings. It was mostly about going to shows.

                Some bands made some good records. Some great bands made terrible records. But you wouldn’t judge any of them in terms of the recordings they made. Hardcore wasn’t about putting on headphones and listening to records like it was Yes or Rush. And yet that’s who the critics are comparing them to. Because Yes records are better than Minor Threat records doesn’t mean Minor Threat was a bad punk rock band. If you didn’t go to the show, you have no idea what Minor Threat was like. And that’s a band everyone’s heard of! You don’t write off a band like Decry because their records aren’t as good as Minor Threat. Minor Threat wouldn’t even have written off a band like Decry because their records weren’t as good as Minor Threat’s! It wasn’t about the records.

                1. Might as well compare the bands based on the quality of their show fliers. That’s just not what the art form was about. In fact, the art form was about rejecting all of that. Getting studio time was supposed to be the last thing a good hardcore band was worried about. That the internet was invented and people started listening to recordings that hardly anybody had access to before was a weird, unexpected development.

                  The Misfits were “famous” underground before anybody had access to their recordings. If you got anything at all, it was through tape trading. The Misfits first record was recorded in 1978. It had all their best songs on it. You couldn’t buy it until 1997. So what? Everybody knew the lyrics to the songs anyway, and we all went to see them every time they came to town.

                  But nooooOOooooo. We’re gonna judge hardcore bands by how well their records sound with headphones compared to fucking Emerson, Lake, and Palmer?

                  Different Genre. Different Art form. Different standards.

                  You don’t judge a ballet performance by how well the recording sounds.

                  1. P.S. Greatest studio recording of a hardcore band–ever.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx-gDFP7QqM

                    Does that mean Decry was the greatest hardcore band ever?

                    Hell no!!!

                    One doesn’t judge punk rock bands by their recordings.

    2. I prefer Liszt’s darker side. I would have preferred to post the Leslie Howard version, but it ain’t on youtube.

    3. I’m going to make a guess that you don’t even play an instrument. Would I be correct?
      Because no one – and I mean NO FUCKING PERSON – I know who plays or has even attempted to play a musical instrument has any of the bullshit pretensions you have.

      I don’t care for Van Halen. Never did. But Eddie could play the fucking guitar – including Bach, there, Maestro.
      You would be completely mistaken to assume that someone like Prince couldn’t play Bach. Of course he could. It just wasn’t his thing. It is no “limb” to note that a lot of great guitarists have likely already PLAYED BACH, you tool. What do you think they make kids practice in those lesson books?

      Music evolves. It’s obvious you think it only devolves – after the baroque era – which is bullshit. But you’re entitled to your narrow-minded opinion of music – just as you are entitled to like only vanilla ice cream. You’re just not entitled to claim that every other ice cream is “trite, flavoristically static, and texturally insipid.” That makes you a moron, as Gilmore already pointed out.

      1. No, you are not correct. I do play an instrument. And I am very much aware that there are pieces (and methods of execution for those pieces) that are simply beyond the capabilities of certain players. Some pieces are beyond the capabilities of over 99% of players.

        If Prince could play a technically difficult piece well, post the link and I will retract my assessment of him as a player.

        By the way, Eddie van Halen playing Eruption or Spanish Fly does not a guitar virtuoso make. He is somewhat competent for a pop musician, no more, no less.

        1. Post a link of your performances please.

          1. Only if you post naked pictures of your mother.

            1. I can at least present an argument to you that would prove I in fact have one.

              You unfortunately have no way to demonstrate your own claim.

              1. Naked pics of your mom or GTFO.

  22. Welp another entertainer down…2016’s turning out to be a rough year for the dancing monkey set. Luckily modern recording technology means I can still have them entertain me when the feeling suits me.

  23. One of my prince-faves is (naturally) not him but a Sheila E. Track. Its not one of his bests, or even wildly unique, but it has all the elements of what makes his music great = its funky, sexy, has a catchy *melody* (which a lot of funky/sexy stuff often lacks), and lyrics that are just interesting enough without being pretentious or overly-mushy.

    When i was in college it was a funny 2-chord thing to whip out as a campfire sing-along, a la michael hedges

    I’ve always thought about Prince as sort of a continuation of a 70s funk-disco thing that was never fully exploited by mainstream musicians nearly as well as he pulled it off. He took a lot of the best production-ethos from the mid-west funk scene of the mid-late 1970s (e.g. Roger & Zapp, Lakeside, Ohio Players, Dazz Band, Gap Band) and added a pop-intelligence to it that made it seem entirely fresh and new to a white audience.

    1. a la michael hedges

      Nice. I didn’t know anyone else still knew he existed.

      1. You two aren’t the only ones. I remember my older brother’s friend introducing us to Hedges via a Windham Hill sampler. I got hooked.

        Hedges also died far too young.

    2. what genre do is zapp and roger? electro?

      1. what genre do is zapp and roger? electro?

        I’d probably just stick with the most general category and call it “Funk”; its mostly live performances being recorded, whether its with electric instruments (guitar, bass), ‘electronic instruments’ (electric drum triggers to synth drum-modules), or heavily effected stuff (his use of Vocoder on voice)…. the basic rhythm patterns and tempos are in the same ballpark as late-70s Parliament, and it doesn’t go too far out with the arrangements. Everything in that period was using more electric instruments, but it didn’t change “what” they were each playing that much.

        I’d stay away from the term “electro” because that tends to mean stuff using exclusively electronic-instruments (808 drum machines, 909 bass machines, early digital synths) being run by hardware sequencers (either analog or early digital). In the same period (late 70s, early 80s) that tended to mean European stuff like Kraftwerk or, in the US, Africa-Bambataa/Egyptian Lover early stuff, which then started to be called “Electro/Freestyle”

  24. So . . . we can listen to his music on YouTube now?

    1. not likely.

    2. Give it 70 years, then if youtube is still around, yes.

  25. Oh, I absolutely loved Purple Rain when I was in high school. The guitar work, the variety. And the album before it. And some pretty good stuff after.

    Sometimes there is music I loved so much that it’s almost painful to listen to it again. Like it’s a loved-one receding, never to come back, something lost…

    And dang it, his music isn’t on Rhapsody so I can’t easily listen and do a little staring-out-the-window-choked-up thing.

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  30. The artist formerly known as alive.

    He was good but what a douche. Kind of like changing your name to Edge or Sting.

    1. Shit, now you’ve done it. The next one to go is Sting.

      1. It is a shame when a good guitar player goes. Fitty and Gaga and that whore with the huge ass the other ones and everyone on the MTV awards seem to stick around forever. No justice clearly.

    2. Wasn’t Sting’s nickname given to him? The story goes that that he supposedly had a bumblebee-striped shirt that he liked to wear, so his friends called him “Sting”.

      1. That is the official story, yes.

      2. Gordon Sumner, math teacher, becomes international rock superstar. Awesome I say.

  31. NOT being hyperbolic, I think Prince ranks up there with Elvis and George Martin (Beatles Producer) as three of the biggest “forward-movers” of popular music ever. The standard I use, purely assumed of course, is that if they had not existed, popular music would be HUGELY different. The type of people that influenced other huge names in the artist and production world. Prince not only influenced artists to create a certain way, he influenced how music sounded and was produced/arranged. Madonna for example – without Prince I don’t think there’s a Madonna, and all the people she sub-influenced. All personal opinion, of course, and am not looking for a flame war (not that Reason is a forum that produces a whole lot of that).

    1. I think Metallica belongs in that group as well.

      I have always been determined to never become a person who only listens to “classic rock”, being defined as the music they listened to in high school. I listen to new stuff all the time and go with my nephews to the Warped Tour where I was reconnected to punk/screamo/metalcore.

      I never assume that any particular generation’s music is somehow the “best”. When I hear my friends say stuff like “the music today is shit, nothing like when we were kids!”, I just think, your brain is starting to die. You have stopped moving.

      So, I’m always wondering, what music from today will we look back at in wonder in 25 years?

      For me, part of greatness is standing the test of time. From my high school time, I think Prince, U2 and Metallica are (some of the) greats. Ratt, not so much.

      1. Exactly. I agree. I’m always searching out new music.

    2. Bowie needs to be in the discussion.

  32. I would pay my respects to Prince except for that he was vociferously anti-gun.

    Anyone who advocates that millions of innocent Americans be thrown into prison for owning guns, even though they have never harmed anyone with those guns (and may have saved lives or put food on the table) should not be celebrated after one’s death.

    It is no different than calling for innocent Japanese-Americans to be thrown into concentration camps on the off-chance that they MIGHT do something bad.

    1. If we judge historical figures only by the sins they committed, then there is no one we can admire from the past.

      This is what progressives do to the founders. They completely dismiss Jefferson’s writings and thinking because he owned slaves.

      1. so true. There is not a single person on this planet who doesn’t have some form of unlikability – even me !-) If we spend our time dismissing people for what we don’t like about them we can never find out what we do like about them. (politicians and car salesmen are the exception)

  33. Oh? Prince is dead big whoop! Wake me up when Keith Richards is dead I’ll drink to that marvelous wreck of a human being.

  34. RIP – I recall dancing to Prince’s Uptown and New Order’s Blue Monday at The Ha?ienda in Manchester early 1980s – high on MDMA and the love of some English chick called Sadie. What times they were.

  35. i seem to remember reading once about him having the biggest continuous range of any artist ever recorded. something like 43 consecutive notes he could hit.

  36. Evidently a lot of people liked his music. I never really care for it. But his sudden death is being treated like the murder of Mahatma Ghandi. It’s everywhere in the news and on TV. I just don’t get it.

    1. A lot more bandwidth to fill these days with 24 hour TV and social media. It’s also an easy topic for people to talk about.

  37. A true musical genius died young — akin to Frederich Chopin. Very sad.

    TMZ points out that he died of something other than the flu (cancer?).

    An elegy for Prince from the artist formerly known as Underzog

  38. I appreciated Prince because – particularly for a man from his era – he didn’t play black music, he didn’t play white music, he played his music which turned out to be everybody’s music.

  39. Really???

    Of all of the things to be unanimous about, the commentariat at Hit and Run has chosen the greatness of Prince???

    Fine, well someone has to do this.

    He was over-fucking-rated.

    He wrote simple little tunes that were similar to each other in the extreme. He was George Clinton, without the musically originality or humor.

    He had one of the most punchable faces of all time.

    He was ok at guitar.

    There.

    😉

    1. Burn the heretic!

    2. I’m assuming you don’t think much of jazz music, either.

  40. TMZ (which broke the story about Prince’s death) now says Prince died of a drug overdose.

    “Tjere\s no need to fear. Underzog is here.”

  41. Al “Prophet of Doom” Gore? Wasn’t he joined at the groin with some really angry rape victims?

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