Millennials

Young Women Care As Much About Gun Rights As They Do About Abortion

Millennial women are ambivalent about feminism, fans of Bernie Sanders, fearful of Donald Trump, and want government out of their uteruses and their gun racks, thanks.

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That young women dig Bernie Sanders and tend to lean left isn't too surprising. But would you have guessed that gun rights rank as high as abortion access and "equal pay" among their concerns? Or that young conservative women are almost as worried about economic inequality as are their liberal counterparts? These findings and more—both expected and idiosyncratic—come courtesy of a new national poll of millennial women from ABC News and Refinery 29. 

When asked about political affiliation, the most popular label among these 18- to 35-year-olds was "Independent," claimed by some 40 percent of respondents. Thirty-eight percent called themselves Democrats and just 16 percent identified as Republican.

Party ties aside, 38 percent described themselves as "liberal," 30 percent as "moderate," and 26 percent as "conservative." Compared to older women, millennial ladies who identify as "conservative" are 12 points less likely to call themselves Republican. 

Top Issues for Millennial Women

The septuagenarian socialist from Vermont led young women's presidential picks, with a little more than a third of respondents naming Sanders as their top candidate. Twenty-five percent named Hillary Clinton as their top choice for the Oval Office. The Republican candidates combined earned a mere 21 percent of the potential vote, while 18 percent of those surveyed said they had no preference. 

Support for Sanders skewed young—nearly half of 18- to 21-year-olds preferred him, compared to just 27 percent of the oldest millennial women. Among respondents who strongly identified as feminists, Sanders was also the preferred candidate by a wide margin: 56 percent, compared to 25 percent for Clinton and 9 percent for GOP candidates.

Republicans were the preferred choice of 27 percent of respondents who said they were not feminists, while 24 percent of this group favored Clinton and 24 percent favored Sanders.

Less than half of all the women surveyed said they identify as a feminist, while 53 percent said they are not feminist and two percent had no opinion. Pollsters followed up with those who didn't identify as feminist by asking if it's due to disagreement with "the goals of feminism" or "because you dislike the word feminist but agree with the goals?" Almost half (49 percent) said they merely disliked the word, while around a third disagreed with feminist goals. 

Asked to say which of seven issues they found most important, millennial women were most likely to be concerned about "economic inequality" and student loan debt. The next biggest issues, with 11 percent each, were "protecting gun rights," "equal pay for women," and "preserving access to abortion." Eight percent listed "lowering taxes" as their top concern and 4 percent chose "strengthening the military." 

Conservative women were almost as likely as liberals, and more likely than those who described themselves as moderate, to see economic inequality as a top concern. They were less concerned about student loans (12 percent, versus 23 percent of liberals and 25 percent of moderates) but more concerned about gun rights (19 percent, versus nine percent of moderates and five percent of liberals). 

For whites, inequality slightly outpaced student loans as a concern but for black women, student-loan debt dominated, with almost a third of black respondents saying it was their top issue. Black women were much less likely than white or Hispanic women to list abortion access as a top concern (two percent, versus 15 and seven percent, respectively), while blacks and Hispanics were both more likely to be concerned with women's pay. 

Overall, 49 percent of respondents said candidates are discussing issues that are important to them, while only one-third of black respondents said as much.

As far as which candidates young women find "scary," Donald Trump was tops, spooking 63 percent of respondents. Clinton caused fear in a comparatively low 13 percent. 

Sanders was seen as the most "inspirational," followed by Clinton. The Democrats were the most coveted companions at a hypothetical dinner, too, although 11 percent said they'd like to sit down with Trump. For both questions, the largest percentage of votes went to "none." Thirty-nine percent of respondents said they would not like to have dinner with any of the candidates and 47 percent finds none of them inspiring. 

The ABC News/Refinery 29 poll was conducted March 2-22, 2016, and involved a random national sample of 566 women, the majority of whom—65 percent—are registered voters. Voter registration was much higher for the older-half of the cohort, rising to 72 percent. Almost half of the young women pollsters talked to were married and/or living with a partner, and 37 percent were parents. A small majority (53 percent) have full-time jobs. Among college graduates, 28 percent owed more than $25,000 in student loans, while five percent of non-graduates carry that much student-loan debt. 

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    1. ENB’s sexually stimulating images are getting very abstract.

      1. The hair pie chart?

  1. But would you have guessed that gun rights rank as high as abortion access and “equal pay” among their concerns? Or that young conservative women are almost as worried about economic inequality as are their liberal counterparts?

    The men who are feeding these ladies their thoughts are all over the place.

  2. “The septuagenarian socialist from Vermont led young women’s presidential picks, with a little more than a third of respondents naming Sanders as their top candidate. Twenty-five percent named Hillary Clinton as their top choice for the Oval Office.”

    B-b-b-but it was supposed to be her turn!! Seems like a lot of young women are destined for hell fire and damnation.

    1. They are truly mysog-O-nistic monsters.
      Bitches.

  3. Less than half of all the women surveyed said they identify as a feminist, while 53 percent said they are not feminist and two percent had no opinion. Pollsters followed up with those who didn’t identify as feminist by asking if it’s due to disagreement with “the goals of feminism” or “because you dislike the word feminist but agree with the goals?” Almost half (49 percent) said they merely disliked the word, while around a third disagreed with feminist goals

    What the hell are the “goals of feminism” if not the goals that feminists themselves establish? And if those are the goals of feminism, then what is there to dislike about the word “feminism” that doesn’t also apply to its “goals” — do the millenials just really hate fricatives?

    This question seems like so much priming of the pump, to reassure people it’s just a problem with imaging. The “ideals” of feminism have never been particularly well-defined in the first place and are convoluted by the real-world differences between the sexes even at a biological level. It seems to me that agreeing with the goals of feminism without consenting to the label is somewhat akin to the atheist who agrees with the “goals of Christianity”: either the atheist or worldwide Christianity are very confused about what “the goals of Christianity” are.

    1. It’s really fairly simple – haven’t you read the bumper sticker?

      1. I mean, the rest is pretty much commentary.

      2. Or the classic “well-behaved women seldom make history”…Hillary took that one a bit too far

    2. do the millenials just really hate fricatives

      Not sure if I caught your meaning but I love whistling. Mostly past graveyards.

    3. The problem with the word “feminism” is that it encompasses a very diverse and often contradictory set of values. Yet people still act as if were some specific, well-defined set of principles besides being concerned with the rights of women. The feminism of a Gloria Steinem is very different from the feminism of a Wendy McElroy or Roderick Long. I think it would be much better if libertarians abandoned using the word all-together and rather focused on specific issues.

    4. “somewhat akin to the atheist who agrees with the “goals of Christianity”: either the atheist or worldwide Christianity are very confused about what “the goals of Christianity” are”

      Not necessarily. Or more precisely, this isn’t a reductio to such an absurdum as it may seem at first.

      It depends, of course, on what you decide the “goals of Christianity” are. If those goals are things Jesus preached, like rejection of violence, charity of spirit, tolerance of others, and the like, I completely agree with all of those goals, even though most Christians would consider my personal theology to be “atheist” (not that I myself do, but that’s a discussion for a different day).

      I think a lot of younger women reject “anti-feminism,” or the nostalgia for the old order of a more submissive Womankind, but I think they are also turned off by the doctrinalism and the “you’re with us or against us” mentality of groups with highly idiosyncratic and sometimes tortured versions of what “feminism” means.

      In much the same way, if the “goals of Christianity” are stated as “subjecting all people to the jurisdiction of a universal Christian Church by force if necessary,” then, yeah, I’m not really down with those goals. I suspect something similar is happening with the women described here.

      1. I feel like that’s just saying that worldwide Christianity has a bad idea of what Christianity actually entails — I can respect that (say, if you’re convinced by what Crossan or Marcus Borg has to say about Christ or something along those lines), but at the same time it really doesn’t speak to what most people think of when they talk about feminism or Christianity and it would certainly be misleading to suggest that, say, yourself or the non-feminist who agrees with the “goals of feminism” is merely a victim of bad marketing.

        1. It is definitely a close race as to who is most confused about what, but this is what I fantasize these young women are trying to communicate.- i.e. that “Feminism” has lost touch with the actual goals of feminism, in a not dissimilar way to how “Christianity” has lost touch with the actual goals of that Jesus guy.

          You do run into that problem of saying “you millions who say your ideology is called “x” and means “y” are all WRONG. I ALONE am right about the true meaning of these things.

          This is why I think they don’t even try to redefine the term, just to strip the mainstream term of content and reclaim some “original” goal. Because what else can you do?

    5. I think a lot of people just think of feminism as the notion that women ought to be treated the same and allowed the same opportunities as men. Which is a largely uncontroversial thing to say. So I’m thinking that most people see the “goals of feminism” as something simple like “equality and respect for women” rather than the hateful idiocy you get out of most hard-core feminists of whatever wave we are on now.

  4. Like socialism, feminism just needs to be implemented by the right people…then it will work.

    1. Nice.

      1. You better shut up and start explaining why male hamsters often live longer than female hamsters.

        1. You better shut up and start exmansplaining why male hamsters often live longer than female hamsters.

          FTFY

          1. You better shut up and start exmanhamsplaining why male hamsters often live longer than female hamsters.

    2. You mean it’s a man’s job?

      1. Preferably an old cranky one with no discernible skills

        1. Is amassing significant wealth while being supported by other people for 4 decades despite producing nothing of value not a skill?

          1. It is, but not a very good one.

          2. Some people seem to value the bullshit he spouts.

      2. “Here, honey, I added some language about intersectionality to your Womyn’s Manifesto, I think it makes your point more strongly…and in your list of demands I’ve added non-gender-conforming bathrooms, that is an important issue, don’t you agree, dear?”

      3. “It takes a man’s brain”
        -Dad from big fat greek wedding

    3. Top women?

      1. Women on top.

        1. Best place for ’em to be.

  5. Nothing makes a graph scream “this data invented entirely for Facebook shares” quite like whimsical fonts.

    1. Seriously. I would be fired if I produced a report with that combination of font and colors.

      1. I don’t know about fired, but I would hear a lot of WTF’s if I used Comic Sans in one of my graphs.

        1. Pretty sure my coworker would murder me for use of Comic Sans. Which is understandable. Only evil monsters use Comic Sans.

  6. Are we not doing phrasing anymore?

  7. “Young Women Care As Much About Gun Rights As They Do About Abortion”

    I was going to do a “this is my rifle, this is my gun” joke, but apparently that line has darker connotations than I’d imagined.

    1. Thanks for bumming me out……here is the song:

      https://youtu.be/0_-T0JJRSnc

    2. That’s not the origin of that line, though, is it?

  8. I’m concerned with their concern for students loans. I’m hoping they want government out of the student loan business.

    *plugs ears and starts humming to avoid hearing the real answer.*

  9. Where did “The need for XX-Uber” rank on the list?

  10. …would you have guessed that gun rights rank as high as abortion access and “equal pay” among their concerns?

    “Concerned” doesn’t necessarily mean “supports.” It could be that some of those concerned about gun rights are concerned that icky gun owners and the NRA are out to shoot kids or some shit.

    1. It depends on just how they phrased the question. But I would think that the use of “gun rights” rather than “gun violence” or just “guns” suggests that they view gun rights as a positive thing. People who don’t like guns would say “gun violence” or something along those lines if asked about what concerns them. Anti-gun folk aren’t concerned with gun rights. They don’t think there is any such thing.

      The fact that we still have pretty decent gun rights (in most states) means that most people still support the right to be armed. And hard as it may be to believe, young people aren’t a uniform sea of retards marching in lockstep.

      My own personal anecdotal survey tells me that 100% of millennials think guns are awesome.

      1. ^ This.

      2. young people aren’t a uniform sea of retards marching in lockstep.

        You mean they aren’t like this?

    2. it says “Protecting gun rights”, so it seems a little hard to misinterpret. And if it was so misinterpreted, then the same probably applies to abortion.

  11. “Young Women Care As Much About Gun Rights As They Do About Abortion”

    Speaking as a libertarian, one of these issues is of much more interest to me than the other.

    1. Oh, is this a role play thing? Let me try:

      Speaking as a socialist, I know which one I’d like to throw people in jail for exercising. (It’s both. The answer is always both.)

      1. In fairness, abortions are totally okay if the government compels them. We have to keep the higher goals of weeding out the unwanted and controlling the population in mind.

        1. Who’s arguing this, John? Congratulations! You’ve just fucking pwned that asshole in the mirror.

          1. The entire Progessive movement that has spent 50 years singing the praises of the China one child policy. Sorry dude but we don’t have a memory hole here.

            1. I don’t live in Beijing, moron. You?

          2. Some Progressives a hundred years ago wanted to breed out inferior races, which means that this what every single person who has ever supported abortion rights wants.

            1. Just ignore the fact that every other sentence they say in support of abortion has “unwanted children” as the subject. Yeah, the overriding desire to get rid of the “unwanted” is totally different and better than eugenics.

              1. Collectivism is not your friend.

              2. Well, that is kind of what abortion is for. Not having a child you don’t want.
                You seem to be equating progressives and abortion supporters. There are plenty of us who just think that you can do what you want with your own body or anything that happens to be living inside of it.

                1. There are plenty of us who just think that you can do what you want with your own body or anything that happens to be living inside of it.

                  I assume you mean inside of the libertarian community, because outside of libertarians I do not think many people feel that way.

                  1. Yeah, well, fuck those people.

                2. “There are plenty of us who just think that you can do what you want with your own body or anything that happens to be living inside of it.”

                  So, sure, I stabbed him mid-coitus as he was deep inside me, but you don’t understand!! Zeb told me I had the RIGHT to do that!!

                  1. Yeah, that’s what I said.

                  2. If he does manage to climb all the way inside you and refuses to leave, then I’d say you have the right to kill him.

              3. Yeah, John… Sure. My wife and I have two kids and did not elect to undergo a vasectomy or a mastectomy. The thought of having a 3rd puking, crying little bastard fills both of us with dread. Therefore, if we elect to have an abortion upon the news of a 3rd bundle of bills and problems and morning sickness this makes us eugenicists. You are awesome! Your steel-trap mush upstairs doesn’t miss anything!

                1. Mastectomy may not mean what you think it means

                2. Therefore, if we elect to have an abortion upon the news of a 3rd bundle of bills and problems and morning sickness this makes us eugenicists

                  No, it makes you murderers, but what’s a couple broken aborted eggs between friends?

            2. Right, they did. And somehow that effect is no longer applicable?

              And they also instituted minimum wage laws to suppress the number of minorities and women participating in the workforce — but of course those laws no longer have that effect.

              They also started the drug war to teach a lesson to those nasty minority musicians from the counterculture and their white beatnik fans — but noooo, they are much more enlightened than that now.

              1. I am sure that some people who support abortion rights are racists. This does not mean that eugenics is the *sole and primary motive* of *all* people who support abortion rights.

      2. Yes, I know that because I think we should regulate companies that dump their toxic shit into the environment I’m permanently exiled from the Murray Rothbard panel lunch at the libertarian convention. Somehow I’ll get over that.

        What I was trying to say here is that I don’t want right-wing Christianists in the government to be able to tell women who aren’t right-wing Christianists what to do with their bodies. Aren’t we on the same side on this one?

        1. Yes, I know that because I think we should regulate companies that dump their toxic shit into the environment…

          Private property solves that. The tragedy of the commons causes that.

        2. “What I was trying to say here is that I don’t want right-wing Christianists in the government to be able to tell women who aren’t right-wing Christianists what to do with their bodies.

          Are you okay with non-Christians telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies?

          Can’t smoke marijuana. Tax their sugary soda intake. Can’t sell their eggs at market rates. Can’t sell blowjobs. Etc.?

          1. Hi ken, I’m not for the gov’t being involved in any of those things. If you want to smoke meth out of a bong you made with a Big Gulp cup while you give a 65-year old tranny a hand job for $20 at the farmer’s market that’s fine with me.

            1. How do you feel about women who want to work below the minimum wage, for tips, or at unpaid internships?

            2. What if your local municipality has banned Big Gulps for your own good?

        3. “What I was trying to say here is that I don’t want right-wing Christianists in the government to be able to tell women who aren’t right-wing Christianists what to do with their bodies. Aren’t we on the same side on this one?”

          Not everyone here, no.

          But what you were *actually* saying was that abortion rights are more important than gun rights.

          1. Women should be free to do what they want with their own bodies–unless they want to carry a gun because then they might hurt themselves?

            Maybe that kind of paternalistic misogyny is okay with american socialist because it doesn’t mention Jesus?

            I’m all for people’s right to believe and say stupid things, but the idea that things aren’t stupid so long as they aren’t Christian needs to be laid to rest.

            He doesn’t want a bunch of Christians telling women what to do with their bodies, but are socialist, progressive retards telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies is okay if their stupid rules aren’t influenced by Christianity?

            Should be able to do what they want with their bodies, but if they don’t buy health insurance, should the IRS come after them?

          2. “abortion rights are more important than gun rights.”

            Hence, the abortion clause. It’s right there in the penumbra.

            1. “abortion rights are more important than gun rights.”

              That seems to really piss people off. Why? I hear precisely the opposite argument made here all the time and it is greeted by expressions of “meh.”

              1. Two reasons, perhaps three:

                (1) From a legal perspective, gun rights are in the Constitution. Abortion rights are not, outside of the primal stew of unenumerated rights.

                (2) Gun rights are something everybody has. Abortion rights are something only women have. Sorry, but a right that everyone has can be seen as more important than one that, by definition, less than half the population can have.

                (3) Abortion rights are controversial around here. Gun rights really aren’t.

    2. You aren’t a libertarian. You have no idea what words mean. You cannot be libertarian and want government to redistribute wealth (and so be a socialist of any type).

      Please, read a book. Better yet, go to Mises.org and start reading articles until you understand economics. Then come back and regale us with stories of what you’ve learned.

      1. If the Anarcho-Monarchists can exist… why NOT Libertarian Socialists??

    3. ” young women”?

    4. I didn’t know you were such a fan of gun rights.

  12. As if any more proof were needed; my God do hipsters suck.

    http://nypost.com/2016/04/14/b…..em-debate/

    Brooklyn bar owners are scrambling to meet the demands of pushy hipsters desperate to watch Thursday’s Democratic debate in their home borough.

    Carroll Gardens’ 40 Knots Bar is redecorating itself with American flags and will ditch plans to show the Islanders playoff game against the Panthers, in favor of the showdown between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders at the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

    What the hell kind of a fucked up moron wants to go to a bar to watch a political debate? These people are sick.

  13. the real question is though how many will vote?

    1. If only 11% rank gun rights in their top seven issues, I’m not sure I want them to participate.

      1. No no, it’s not even that!! It’s not in their /top seven/, it’s their /top/ issue /out of seven/.

        1. “Asked to say which of seven issues they found most important. . .”

          I misread that initially.

          I missed the “of” and read it as, “Asked to say which . . . seven issues they found most important”.

          That’s actually more impressive if one in seven said it was their most important issue.

          I’m still questioning whether it’s important because they want to protect it or because they want to squelch it.

  14. So they care about gun rights, but then support candidates who are fighting to see which can provide more gun control?

    1. 11% care about gun rights… ONLY 11%…

      1. 11% put in their top seven.

        It didn’t rank in the top seven for 89% of them.

        1. I was wrong about that.

          See above.

  15. 11% of them think gun rights are one of their seven most important issues?

    Color me unimpressed.

    When 11% say that gun rights are kinda important (top seven anyway), how do we know that means they’re important because they want to protect them rather than strangle them?

    1. Because people who want to strangle them don’t refer to them as “rights.”

      1. Yes they do! And they hate that they’re rights.

        Free speech rights is how Republicans justify their racism.

        Religious rights is how Republicans justify their homophobia.

        Second Amendment rights is how Republicans justify school shootings.

        Somebody has got to do something about these goddamn Republicans and their stupid fucking rights!

        1. All due respect, I have never heard these issues framed this way. Anti-gun people are against gun violence, not gun rights. Most people have enough sense not to describe the things they oppose as “rights.”

          1. You should talk to more progressives.

            Honestly. I’ve heard all this stuff before.

            All of it’s pretty standard in progressive circles.

            They don’t put it in commercials when they’re talking to non-progressives, but the tension between rights and progressives is well understood–even by progressives.

            Tony is all about hostility to rights, even. He didn’t figure that out for himself. He just read about it at all his favorite websites.

            I would define progressivism as the use of government to force people to sacrifice their individual rights for the common good. Most progressives won’t argue with that definition. They’d just emphasize that refusing to sacrifice your individual rights for the common good is selfish (in addition to racist, bad for the environment, etc.)

            1. “You should talk to more progressives.”

              I live in the East SF Bay. I do come across them occasionally.

              I am simply questioning the basis of assuming that these young women are against gun rights when they say they are for gun rights based on . . . what? That sometimes Progressives let the mask slip and accidentally in private among their own they’ll say they want to take people’s rights away?

              Yet these Progressives don’t hear the phrase “gun rights” as a dog whistle for something they hate, like “school choice,” and thus inadvertently answer this poll question in a way that sounds exactly the opposite of their actual views?

              I think you are letting your cynicism towards today’s youth overwhelm your application of Ockham’s Razor.

  16. Women seem to frequently change their minds? You don’t say.

  17. Young Women Care As Much About Gun Rights As They Do About Abortion.

    Looks like they also care as much about “other” as they do about abortion and gun rights. Is that kind of like saying they don’t really care all that much about abortion and guns?

    1. 11% put gun rights in their top seven.

      Given the women I’ve known, I’d file the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh most important things to 11% of them under “practically irrelevant”.

  18. “But would you have guessed that gun rights rank as high as abortion access and ‘equal pay’ among their concerns?”

    Alright, so even if we just go by the numbers presented that is 11% of people caring about any of those things. Which is… a really stupid thing to try to spin positively. “11% of women think we should protect gun rights” just doesn’t have that ring to it, eh??

    Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut. The Poll you guys are using appears to have asked what issue women find MOST concerning. IE, it does NOT show abortion ranked just as high as gun rights, at ALL. It just shows that the number of women who think access to abortion is THE most important thing EVER is equal to the number of women who think access to guns is THE most important thing.

    Chances are, there are much more than 11% of women concerned with having access to guns and abortions, but I doubt the numbers are equal when you open it up to the percentage of women who “are concerned” with the issue rather than artificially trying to compare the amount of women who “are most concerned”.

    This is as disingenuous as the spin around the 1-in-5-women statistic that stretched the definition of sexual assault. Only here were stretching “top priority concern” to mean just “concern”.

    And again, even if these statistics meant what you said, it would mean 89% of women are against gun rights and 89% are against abortion.

    1. Shut up, you’re killing my buzz.

  19. Were they asked about anal?

  20. Samantha Bee, call your office.

  21. I dunno. I see four of the top five issues are all proggy/lefty issues (and, yes, “preserving access to abortion” is part of the proggy/lefty constellation). Anybody who says “economic equality” rather than “economic opportunity” is the
    important thing, is not wired for libertarianism.

    Don’t get me wrong: Yay gun rights and all that. But the overall picture is of a big demographic that sees the things the proggy/lefty way. And that’s not OK.

    1. It’s certainly problematic. Maybe even a bit unsafe and oppressive.

  22. If they use their gun rights they won’t get raped and need abortions. Duh!

  23. a glimmer of hope?

  24. Can’t help but notice that the issues in Fig. 2 were, in order: fake bullshit, fake bullshit, actual concern, fake bullshit, fake bullshit, Other, actual concern, debatable, No response.

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