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Really Stupid Moms Across America Scaremongering About Glyphosate in Wines

Moms: Get a clue-organic wines are carcinogens.

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Today, an alarmist email from the anti-biotech activist group Moms Across America popped into my inbox touting a new study that supposedly shows "Widespread Contamination of  Glyphosate Weedkiller in California Wine." Glyphosate, popularly known as Roundup, is used to kill weeds in fields planted with modern biotech crop varieties that have been engineered to resist it. Last year, the ridiculously precautionary International Agency for Research on Cancer associated with the World Health Organization ruled, over and against the bulk of scientific evidence, that the herbicide is a "probable" human carcinogen.

In November, the highly cautious European Food Safety Authority rejected the IARC's ruling and issued its own evaluation that determined that "glyphosate is unlikely to pose a carcinogenic hazard to humans and the evidence does not support classification with regard to its carcinogenic potential."

Now comes Moms Across America with its alarmist headline based on testing 10 wines it sent to laboratory in St. Louis, MO. What did they find?

On March 16th, 2015 Moms Across America received the results from an anonymous supporter which commissioned Microbe Inotech Lab of St. Louis, Missouri that show all ten of the wines tested positive for the chemical glyphosate, the declared "active" ingredient in Roundup weedkiller and 700 other glyphosate-based herbicides. The highest level of glyphosate detected was up to 28.4 times higher than the other wines at 18.74 ppb from a 2013 Cabernet Sauvignon from a conventional, chemically farmed vineyard. The lowest level was from a biodynamic and organic vineyard, 2013 Syrah which has never been sprayed according to the owner, with a level of .659 ppb. An organic wine from 2012 mixed red wine grapes, had 0.913 ppb of glyphosate.

Parts per billion! Really! We're all gonna die! But seriously folks, let's compare these findings with the Environmental Protection Agency's incredibly stringent glyphosate tolerances for various food and feed crops. The agency doesn't set a threshold for wine, so let's take its threshold for grapes. The EPA's safe level for glyphosate on grapes is 0.2 parts per million (ppm). So how does the Moms Across America's finding compare?

The highest level of detection is 10-times lower than the EPA's safety threshold for grapes. The lowest detection was more than 3,000-times lower than EPA's threshold.

The Moms Across America then suggest that the organic growers will lose business if customers find out that there is an infinitesmial amount of pesticide in their wines. Organic a process standard which certifies nothing about the nutrition of the product; only that it was grown in certain specified ways.

The final stupidity of the Moms Across America attack on glyphosate is that the IARC has definitely determined that the consumption of alcohol, including that found in organically produced wines, is "carcinogenic to humans."

Disclosure: I own some shares of Monsanto, maybe 100 or so, that I bought with my own money. I probably should have sold them a couple of years back. Sigh.

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  1. Moms Across America

    It’s gotten to the point where any group that pops up calling itself “Moms [for or against anything]” makes me want to fondle the firearms.

    1. Phrasing.

      1. Masturbation metaphor?

        1. Just mind they don’t discharge prematurely or you could end up with a Hell of a mess.

    2. It makes me want to fondle your mom. Just like I did last night.

      1. Which makes you the necrophiliac I always suspected you were.

    3. The proliferation of “Mom” groups is getting pretty old.

      It’s nothing but a PR stunt.

      There is nothing about Moms that make them any wiser than anyone else about any issue.

      1. Moms tend to make bad decisions because they think emotionally instead of rationally.

    4. I really HATE all the groups that use “Moms” to advocate for glyphosate and shit like that — the “Farmer’s Wife” and the “Science Mom” bullshit… in that sense i agree

  2. Let’s talk about the phytoestrogens in wine. WORSE THAN BPA!

    1. Whatya got against man tits??

    2. Isn’t BPA not actually bad again? Like not unless you are microwaving and eating multiple plastic bottles a day for ten years.

      1. Yeah, saying something is worse than BPA isn’t saying much.

      2. Not even that. The estrogen receptor binding affinity for BPA is pretty low; it’s fairly a non-issue. Ironically, the plastic developed and marketed as a BPA-free replacement for polycarbonate baby bottles (Tritan) has a far higher degree of endocrine disruption activity.

  3. So multi-tasking soccer mom’s, with their shit all up and together, can’t guzzle a half-gallon of red wine a day anymore?

    What a rip.

    1. The sad thing is that was probably the only thing making them tolerable for most of their husbands. Now they’re gonna be all bitchy and impossible to live with 24/7 as opposed to just the part of the day before they drink themselves into a stupor.

  4. Wine is fine, but whiskey’s quicker.

    1. Likker’s quicker.

      Get it right, man.

      1. Candy is dandy
        But liquor is quicker

        1. Liquor in the front.
          Poker in the rear.

  5. Shitty reporting, Ron. You left out the single most important item in preventing hyperventilation among the commentariat: how this is Obama’s fault.

      1. To the x-treme! *guzzles new flavor of Mt. Dew*

    1. And no mention of Trump.

      1. Glyphosate? Nasty stuff. I had a glass in Cabo in 2005, wasn’t impressed. I don’t even use Roundup at my casinos; totally low class, second-rate.

    2. I don’t know, JJ. I think the most important question is: how is this your fault?

      1. I should think that would be obvious, even to a 47-chromosomer like yourself.

  6. Well, if you live in Flint then wine is absolutely the best answer…being used as it has been for thousands of years, as a source of safe drinking water (and helping people get laid).

    1. Actually the Romans added lead to their wine to make it sweeter. Not a good idea.

  7. Disclosure: I own some shares of Monsanto, maybe 100 or so, that I bought with my own money. I probably should have sold them a couple of years back. Sigh.

    Owning stock in eeevil Monsanto causes Global Warming.
    Way to go, Ron. You might as well be burning used tires in your back yard after dousing them with old motor oil.

    1. “burning used tires in your back yard after dousing them with old motor oil”

      Um….is that, you know, wrong?

      Asking for a…neighbor.

      1. Um….is that, you know, wrong?

        Yes, but only because of the odor.

  8. Hey Ron, any libertarian angle on the LIGO results? Thoughts? Are we going to have anti-grav hoverboards soon?

    1. Isn’t “antii-grav hoverboards” redundant?

      1. There could be hoverboards that work on air pressure or magnetism.

        1. And the existing “hover boards” don’t hover and aren’t anti-gravity in any way that a brick is not.

          1. The existing “hover boards” aren’t hover boards.

    2. Ron isn’t interested in that sort of thing. Not political enough. I covered it when the announcement was first made.

    3. If you can get me a couple of black holes and several billion dollars, I’ll make you an anti-grav hoverboard.

  9. I almost wonder what Nassim Talib thinks about about glyphosate in wines.

    1. HM: Taleb looks up from his box of Yellow & Blue Malbec: “Black swans! Blaack swans! Flocks and flocks of black swans!”

  10. Oh, good, it’s about time the idiot brigade found another boogeyman du jour. Can I start buying BPA bottles again?

  11. They should review the studies of arsenic in wine, a no-shit toxin, if they really want to get their panties in a bunch.

    1. Or even the wine. The whole drink would be much less toxic if you removed the wine and left the glyphosate.

  12. Funny that this is a “moms” group. Hard to find the “for the children” angle on wine.

    1. The wine is for the moms who are for the children. How are they supposed to helicopter over their little hellions for hours on end without something to release the tension?

      1. Teledildonics?

        1. I bet your spell-checker didn’t even flinch at that one.

  13. Sufferage is the root of all modern political ills.

    1. I don’t know why sit back and put up with these women’s suffrage for even one more day!

  14. Glyphosate is one of my favorite chemicals. It always feels so good watching plantains shrivel up and die this time of year.

  15. the anti-biotech activist group Moms Across America

    *facepalm*

    Note to moms across America: stop going on idiotic crusades against every imagined boogie-man and do your fucking jobs. Namely concentrate on raising your children into functional, non-retarded, well adjusted adults. For fuck’s sake…

    1. It all comes from an irrational fear of “chemicals”. The only thing scarier than a “chemical” is anything “nuclear”.

      1. “nucular”

        1. Dammit, too slow again.

        2. Sorry -_-.

      2. I think you mean Nucular.

      3. The military industrial complex is conspiring to poison us all with nucular chemicals!

  16. Really Stupid Moms Across America Scaremongering About Glyphosate in Wine

    I read this as “Really stupid moms [all] across America [are] scaremongering about glyphosate in wine.” That’s the beauty of capitalized, shorthand news headings; they ruin proper nouns and offer you the flexibility to read what you want.

  17. And yet they don’t seem to care at all that wine is loaded with dihydrogen monoxide!

    1. dihydrogen monoxide

      Which has killed infinitely more people than glyphosate!

    2. Oxidane if you follow IUPAC standards.

  18. Glyphosate is pure poison! It should be banned immediately!!

    And ban that ubiquitous sodium chloride, which is even more toxic!!!

    http://www.scienceclarified.co…..oxins.html

  19. There is no shortage of stupid in the US thats for sure.

    http://www.Anon-Net.tk

  20. The agency doesn’t set a threshold for wine, so let’s take its threshold for grapes. The EPA’s safe level for glyphosate on grapes is 0.2 parts per million (ppm). So how does the Moms Across America’s finding compare?

    The highest level of detection is 10-times lower than the EPA’s safety threshold for grapes. The lowest detection was more than 3,000-times lower than EPA’s threshold.

    It takes about 85-90 lbs of grapes (still on the stems) to produce about 5 gallons of wine which is about 41-42 lbs. So, processing grapes into wine a little less than halves the weight, so wouldn’t 0.2 ppm glyphosate in grapes result in a little less than 0.4 ppm glyphosate in wine?

    1. Depending on whether the glyphosate stays in the wine or leaves with the mass of the byproducts, obviously. It would result in somewhere between zero and 0.4, for sure.

  21. That Moms Across America once published a blog post in which a lady forwarded what she thought was valid science concerning the nutritional value of GMO corn vs. certified organic. The comparison she posted was basically a soil report, and e-mailed to her from her friend at the only non-GMO seed company in town. But the usual suspects picked it up and ran with it. Same thing with that flop MIT Comp Sci major that keeps publishing correlation graphs as if they show cause. The usual suspects plaster this nonsense all over the web, and more people need to call them on their fearmongering nonsense. It costs lives by preventing cures, raises food prices, provides false security, and is visually identified often by a USDA label. There’s so much here for libertarians to hate, it’s like…i dunno, enough to make a good hate chilli. Like, a great big pot of things to hate.

  22. Y’all here at Reason use anything but… you use vile rhetoric…. losers.

  23. Apparently moms can now be used as political cover for literally anything, including regulation of products that are literally illegal for children.

    Moms For Spaying and Neutering Your Pet!
    Moms Against People Who Shave Their Unibrow With a Razor Instead of Waxing It!
    Moms Against Appropriation of Infant Diaper Culture By The Elderly!

  24. I have to agree with your comments. but I have a caveat that I never seem to get any traction with. While I agree that glyphosate is literally benign in the level that we are seeing in our foods one thing that is not being tested for is the surfactants. The surfactants allow the glyphosate the coat the leaves of the weeds in order to kill the unwanted plant. The surfactants are organic in nature but unlike glyphosate are not naturally occuring in plants like glyphosate. The surfactants are made by petroleum companies through a chemical process changing the oil product into a product that allows the glyphosate to coat the leaves evenly. The surfactants are not as water soluble as the glyphosate either. So I am of the opinion that maybe the studies could be right in that the product may be cancer causing, but also that the glyphosate itself is not the culprit but rather the surfactants are the carcinogen.

    For the most part, this argument is similar to the climate change research. To some, it is human caused and we must fix it immediately. to others there is not enough data to be sure, but doing something is fine, and to others it is all mumbo jumbo with no credibility since soil samples show that the earth has been much hotter than it is today and it has been much cooler than it is today and there is no statistical link to human action on previous warm-ups or cool downs. More study is required to get real answers. and there is no problem with proceeding with caution.

  25. Nice title — “Really Stupid Moms…” — thanks for insulting HALF of the worlds population. Also, it is PARTS PER BILLION that has been shown to cause harm, so here you are completely allowing the readers into you world full of ignorance. In fact, before you make any further idiotic statements that may end up insulting the other half of the world’s population, I suggest you actually go to momsacrossamerica.com/data and do a little research of your own. There they list LOTS and LOTS of peer reviewed studies. It is YOU that appears to me, to be really stupid.

  26. Nice title — “Really Stupid Moms…” — thanks for insulting HALF of the worlds population. Also, it is PARTS PER BILLION that has been shown to cause harm, so here you are completely allowing the readers into you world full of ignorance. In fact, before you make any further idiotic statements that may end up insulting the other half of the world’s population, I suggest you actually go to momsacrossamerica.com/data and do a little research of your own. There they list LOTS and LOTS of peer reviewed studies. It is YOU that appears to me, to be really stupid.

  27. Some are fine with toxins in your food as long as there are profits to be made,

  28. IARC classifies glyphosate a Group 2A (probable) carcinogen. IARC also classifies alcoholic beverages a Group 1 (definite) carcinogen:

    “There is sufficient evidence in humans for the
    carcinogenicity of alcohol consumption. Alcohol
    consumption causes cancers of the oral cavity,
    pharynx, larynx, oesophagus, colorectum, liver
    (hepatocellular carcinoma) and female breast.
    Also, an association has been observed between
    alcohol consumption and cancer of the pancreas.”,

    http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/…..00E-11.pdf

    A wine drinker who’s worried about a glyphosate level below the accuracy threshold of the instruments used to detect it in wine and unworried about the alcohol itself had best stop drinking and contact Uber for a ride home.

    1. Use LEF Anti-Alcohol Antioxidants. Up to 6 per day so 6 drinks.

  29. Free T3 Hormone is active in 0.00X PPB levels in the human body. Ron is not a organic chemist. He is an Organic Moron.

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