NJ Legislator Wants to Throw You in Jail for 15 Days for Walking and Texting
More dumb laws, more complaints about law enforcement, more dumb laws, repeat.


The extra attention the problem of police violence has received from the political mainstream in the last two years has not really trickled down to the simpleton lawmakers that create the conditions for unnecessary police violence in the first place.
New Jersey Assemblywoman Pamela Lampitt (D-Camden) introduced legislation on Monday that would criminalize distracted walking, or walking while using a non-hands-free cellphone. According to NJ.com, the bill would treat the use of a cellphone by pedestrians the same way as jaywalking, with fines of up to $50 and up to 15 days in jail.
The text of the bill, AR3503, is no longer available on the New Jersey legislature's website and does not show up on a list of bills sponsored by Lampitt this legislative session. It is described in the database as a bill that "establishes motor vehicle offense of unlawful use of hand-held wireless telephone by pedestrians on roadways."
In 2010, there were a total of 133 pedestrian fatalities total in New Jersey according to the New Jersey Division of Highway Trafic Safety's 2012 Highway Safety Plan.
"If a person on the road, whether walking or driving, presents a risk to others on the road, there should be a law in place to dissuade and penalize risky behavior," Lampitt told the local CBS affiliate.
Of course, texting and walking doesn't present a significant risk to anyone but the person texting and walking, and it's not the role of government to "penalize risky behavior." It's not just a theoretical point about government but a practical one. Every law creates an opportunity for government to use force against individuals, introducing violence into non-violent situations and increasing risk for the non-violent lawbreakers as well as the police officers ordered to enforce the laws.
Last year, another assemblywoman, Gabriela Mosquera (D- Gloucester), tried to designate September as "Distracted Walking Awareness Month" but that bill failed to get through the committee, which doesn't leave much chance for Lampitt's effort even in the nanny state of New Jersey.
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Sorry, motor vehicle laws are not applicable to pedestrians on sidewalks in any way, shape, or form.
Good luck enforcing that, cunt.
If they can enforce j-walking, they can enforce walking and texting.
You mean selectively enforce.
Well of course. It's long been established that the selectively enforced law is much more powerful than the one applied evenly and consistently.
For example, the disclosure of secrets via email? Amiright?
(rimshot)
Jay walking isn't on the sidewalk.
Angry cop: Are you daring me to enforce it?
I am. I like money.
You can't collect if your dead.
Always remember that any confrontation with the gendarmes is a risk.
I had no problem with them in the South Pacific. Where do I sign up?
Unless they pass a law extending motor vehicle laws to pedestrians on sidewalks which is what I think this law was doing.
They many not be applicable but they sure are informative when it comes to rules about traffic 🙂
"establishes motor vehicle offense of unlawful use of hand-held wireless telephone by pedestrians on ROADWAYS."
Try reading the article dumbass.
It's so much easier to just write RTFA
Of course, texting and walking doesn't present a significant risk to anyone but the person texting and walking
That is false from my view as there could be people walking in their direction on the other side of the side-walk.
I've seen 3 people hit or run over by cars (on the same road). You would be amazed at how much damage can be done to a car hitting a person. Law still sucks.
Btw....all 3 were crossing a 4 lane dark road at night drunk. 2 were in all dark clothing. Not sure about the third as there was not much left of him.
Drunk walking should also be made punishable. In Albuquerque at least, drunk cycling is treated as a DUI.
A CUI or BUI maybe 🙂
I got a DUI on a bicycle in Boulder, CO, after getting hit by a car that ran a red light. The car was driven by a 15yr old kid who was driving with a permit and a car full of friends, and his dad showed up at the scene shortly after the cops. He was screaming at the top of his lungs "Who's going to fix my fucking car?!?" The nice officer helped the guy out by writing a false report that said I cause the accident, after shooing away several witnesses who said otherwise, resulting in me having to pay a couple thousand dollars in restitution to fix the car that hit me. That was in addition to the fines, fees, and classes. I blew a 0.08, and at the time 0.10 was the threshold for DUI, so the cop charged me with DUI anyway. My public pretender told me that if I took it to court I would be convicted of DWAI and sentenced to jail, so I took the plea.
And people wonder why I hate cops.
That story is almost unbelievable. I'm not saying you're lying, but....
I'm not imaginative enough to make something like that up. My thing is parody. Imitation. Not fiction.
Perhaps fiction was the wrong word. Fabrication. I dunno. But it's a true story.
But, you got into an accident with a 15 year old with a learner's permit? And his dad wasn't in the car, and the cops saw him show up after the fact? And then you blew a .08 (which was completely cool in the '90s, which is when I assume this happened), and you still got hit with a DUI while on a bike? And then you pled guilty to it?
Yes, you could have been screwed, but... you could also have horribly bad judgement.
I have several dozens friends who have been convicted of DUI. It ranges from crashing into a swimming pool and sinking the car, to high speed pursuit, to vehicular manslaughter. Never have I heard of a cyclist getting hit by an at-fault car and getting charged with DUI.
I also have 4 friends who are public defenders in this county. None of them would ever recommend that you plead out to something where, by statute, you are prima facia not guilty.
Do you just have the worst luck or what?
Going to bed now. If you have a reply, you can find me tomorrow.
I don't mean to bait you. But I did. I just wanted clarification
You probably could have done jail time with that lawyer. He got paid the same for you to plea as he would have had if he took it to court I think.
Maybe not the exact same but he made the calculation that the extra effort wasn't worth his extra time.
Here's the part that really gets me. On the few occasions I've discussed this with cops, thinking that perhaps it was an aberration, they all said they'd have done the exact same thing. They only cite one person at an accident. If someone has been drinking, it is 100% their fault.
Coming from a family with law enforcement in it, I don't doubt your story at all, sarc. Other than that I'm surprised the cops even showed up to the scene.
IME, many, (most?) cops mean well. Or at least try to be somewhat professional. Most are lazy, though, and will wield Occam's Razor like a machete. One cook who blew an .08 vs car full of suburban kids with screaming parent in tow, and it's not surprising he took the kids' side. Even though it's a raw deal. And you may have been able to try and get the names/numbers of the witnesses that had your back, for your attorney. (Just because the cop said one thing in his report, doesn't mean you might not have had a case, though it makes it difficult. At least, I've known PI lawyers that might still take a crack at a case like yours.) It's a sin to be broke in our society.
You've convinced me even more that I really need some form of dash cam/upload to the cloud video recording means in my vehicle. Probably on my person too.
Terrible situation. I'm sorry that happened to you.
GG, it seems you've been here longer than you have been commenting. I didn't know he was a cook (or chef, as we used to like to be called).
I've been here awhile, Playa. Pre 9/11, anyway. That's what? Three or four site redesigns ago? Long time anyway. I wonder what thoreau, Jennifer, Gaius, Wine Commonsewer, and MNG(?) are up to? Lot of bright people have passed through here, and still do.
I thought that Sarc mentioned awhile back that he was a line cook at the time he was living in Boulder, but I could be mistaken.
When I worked hospitality, I changed in the same locker room as the hotel cooks and chefs, but I never did get straight on when cook turned into chef. Tough job. You always end up smelling like food, it gets caked in your fingers, your hair, your skin, and the front of the house ends up making more than you do anyway. At least that's what my doorman and ex-line cook told me. People in hospitality/restaurant bust their asses. Everyone I knew that did it for a career was working another job besides the hotel one.
Yeah, I was a line cook at the time. Good memory GG. Thing is, the threshold for DWAI was 0.05. The plea was Reckless Driving, restitution, and an alcohol evaluation. Had I fought it in court I could have beat the DUI, but would have been convicted of DWAI which carries a much harsher punishment than RD. I did get the numbers of a couple witnesses, but the public pretender said that didn't matter. The cop's word would be treated as scripture, no matter what the witnesses said. So I took the plea.
Also, when I woke up in the middle of the road, the kid who hit me was saying "I'm so sorry! It was totally my fault! My dad will pay for everything!"
A few minutes later the cop and his dad showed up. Practically at the same time. Like I said the dad was shouting about who would pay for his car, then he and the kid and the cop went off in a huddle while I sat on the sidewalk. The cop never spoke to me or any of the witnesses. Just the dad and the kid. After a while he sent them away, came to me, and told me he was charging me with DUI.
And no, I wasn't fine. My shoulder hasn't been the same since. But because the dishonest cop said I caused the accident, I had no grounds to sue for the cost of medical care. Being that I didn't have the money to pay to have my shoulder looked at at the time, I had little choice but to suck it up. It still grinds a bit when I lift my left arm above my head.
" It still grinds a bit when I lift my left arm above my head."
But now we have Obamacare.
Won't Obamacare make it all better ?
As is riding a horse. I've always maintained that they should do the alcohol test on the horse.
... Hobbit
Oh, Wilburrrrrr.....
Completely rational to the progressive mind.
Well, so does Rhywun, so let's not get too high on our high-horse.
Wut?
How quickly we forget.
Ha ha, yes - but I was speaking as another pedestrian when they get in my way.
It often does carry the death penalty in GTAV... it's amazing how many pedestrians die when my character jogs into them.
Pamela Lampitt can lock me up anytime she wants.
Your standards have really gone up lately.
Thank you. Pammy (as I now call her), authored a bill that would keep dirty teen sexters away from the criminal justice system by making them take mandatory anti-sexting classes.
Pammy, much like Crusty, hates the cell phone.
Taught by old man with candy?
He must be drunk. That chick has no giant warts or open sores on her face. She even has human ears.
She looks like she'd be bossy, too. Peering at me over her eyeglasses while giving me explicit instructions, forcing me to give her what she wants. Oh yeah.
I'm guessing what she wants is for you to get anal raped in prison. She probably doesn't even have the common courtesy to watch
She wants to disapprovingly watch as she dreams up more retarded schemes that will lead to police brutality.
Yeah, you want to make sure cops have as many reasons as possible to stop and check you for drugs.
She can tie me up!
I'm not sure if you guys can compete with her incredible husband.
She looks like a lot of fun.
Very much so.
Can I file a complaint for taking away a wonderful source of entertainment: waiting for inattentive people to walk into objects?
But gives rise to a new source of entertainment: watching pedestrians ticketed for glancing at a text message.
She's a Democrat from Camden. What are they gonna do, vote her out of office?
LOL
According to Wiki, Obama got 96.8% of the vote from Camden in 2012.
She's a progressive. Not a Republican.
She can't be voted out of office.
In communist Russia, politicians vote voters out of office!
Yeah, it's like trying to get rid of Pelosi.
Probably the only place in America that ISIS could actually improve.
We should randomly distribute tiger traps in sidewalks(you know, the fake surface with a pit below), with very small signs warning where they are located. Attentive walkers can thus easily avoid them, and the inattentive texters will fall to their death after being devoured by tigers. I'll bet no one even needs to feed the tigers, they'll get fat and lazy eating the inattentive. See if that works.
Someone still has to clean the litter box.
Wexting?
If that becomes an actual word, I am hunting you down and exterminating your 3 generations of your family with extreme prejudice.
I shall also exterminate any extra yours
Too late, the adjunct faculty at Harvard and Missouri will be organizing against it in 5...4...3...
Had pizza while dexting last night, then got busy with some fexting with the woman. Afterwards we went for a wext. Tonight just going to masterbext.
*clenches fist*
Stop with the euphemisms already!
Horatio, I suggest you get that on urbandictionary asap, so it trends, so that HM feels obligated to hunt you down.
It's already there.
Do your duty to make it stick! I would, but I am terrified of HM.
I don't know how to make it stick.
She's gonna void the warranty if she keeps doing that.
It's been almost two hours now.
John wexts a girl. Girl gets wet. Girl has to desiccate phone.
How did the phone get wet?
For a comments board all about abstract masturbation euphemisms..
*cracks beer*
As if the fine wasn't retarded on its own but then the little progressive twat added prison into the mix.
Unreal.
Let's make criminals of people for 'risky behavior'.
Honey, bend over. I'll show you 'risky behavior'.
First you have to prove that walking and texting is automatically 'risky'. Leaving the house is 'risky'.
Maybe that'll be the next risky behavior they ban.
what with meteors, staying in the house is also risky.
The pettiness of these politicians is unbelievable.
Does she even know how I use my walk?
No time to talk.
All the funnin' aside. Every time someone says "there should be a law", they need to be bopped on the head by Little Bunny Fufu. It would simplify a lot of this. And the people who live in lala land, proposing such shite, would understand better than wood-chippers.
It should against the law to mention Little Bunny Fufu without linking to Frank Caliendo's impersonation of John Madden singing the poem.
People don't seem to understand, or care, that any and all laws carry a potential death sentence.
Think about it. You don't show up to court or don't pay a fine and a warrant is issued for your arrest. At some point men from the government will try to kidnap you, and if you fight back from this initiation of force they will cheerfully kill you.
And nothing else will happen.
I think that progressives actually do understand this.
They really want people to die for not being progressive enough.
They do seem to celebrate the use of force and fraud to get what they want. But conservatives can be just as bad. Only with different things. Less with the fraud though. At least conservative try to be honest. Progressives don't even pretend to be honest. But conservatives are just as eager to exact violence on people who don't subscribe to their morals.
You contradict yourself.
Conservatives can't be as bad as progressives if conservatives try and be honest and progressives don't even pretend to be.
The legislation says nothing about Pimp-walking and texting, so I think I'm ok.
Paul, honey, we love you.
Pwexting?
so that law against walking while chewing gum can't be far behind.
That's impossible anyways
with an elected body, there is no impossible.
I meant walking and chewing gum.
I don't think that chewing gum would prevent a person from paying attention to traffic. 🙂
As long as they're not chexting
making chex mix while walking in traffic is no laughing matter, you monster.
Or perplexting.
A witch
A witch hexting
A witch hexting
on my street about 99% of pedestrian women are on the phone. men seem to be able to walk without being on the phone.
True this, you privileged cis shitlord.
Just imagine that face with a joisey accent *blech*!
Hear her accent for yourself.
Noooooooooooooo, I am not clicking that!
She doesn't have an accent that I can tell. The lefty nonsense is more disturbing.
Looks like a man with a wig on.
Not German enough. You can't earn a Sieg Heil with a little mousy voice.
I see she works in the same office as Joe in Joe vs. The Volcano
"t's not the role of government to "penalize risky behavior."
Says another rat fucking bagger who hates the children and wants the terrorists to win.
This is for Shikha.
http://humanevents.com/2016/03.....amberlain/
I'm picturing those two in the Octagon now.
The rat metaphor is going to get some play somewhere.
She trolls with the best of them
Although I think the responses to these attacks are getting pretty nauseating...between the cartoon with the weeping France and Belgium flags and the crowd singing "Imagine" (which Iowahawk aptly called the "musical equivalent of a "kick me" sign") Westerners are pretty spoiled and lame
Still can't figure out what this guy was charged with? Acting weird?
http://abc6onyourside.com/news.....university
The self-congratulatory tone of everyone in that article pisses me off. The level of supposing from the sheriff is insufferable.
Yeah, the dude might have had some issues, but from the article I didn't see any indication that anyone was threatened much less a mass shooting possibility. Depending on what he had told the shop owner, may have been worth talking to him but they don't even give a reason as to why he was arrested.
it's not the role of government to "penalize risky behavior."
Bite your tongue!
And of course, when you type "Camden" and "city-management" into google, you get things like the following =
Why Camden, N.J., is Still Failing Despite State Intervention
Camden, N.J., one of America's poorest cities, has received hundreds of millions of dollars in state aid to keep it going. Yet by most measures, it's still failing.
Not shocked. Need to start letting these government bubbles burst.
to be fair, this woman has nothing to do with camden city management. She respresents the cherry-hill suburbs which are basically philly commuters AFAIK. She's a school bureaucrat at U. Penn, running their foodservice operations.
an overlap between school administration careers and state politics doesn't surprise me.
Not at all. You see a lot of that here in Columbus with OSU.
It's the Illinois of cities.
Imagine the irony if this lady were to be killed from walking in front of a car while texting. Because you know she does it, too -- it's just that she's careful and hyper-aware, unlike all everyone else. Except when she screws up, but nobody has to know about that.
That's how it always is: everybody's basically an anarchist, when it comes themselves; it's all those other people you have to worry about. And the degree to which you worry about them is really a reflection of how much you think they ought to be worrying about you. It's a projection that says something: you are fundamentally untrusting of others, because you know it would be a mistake for anyone to place trust in you.
This dysfunction will lead to your trying to control others, out of simple self-preservation. But, on some level, you know you are the cause of it, and also, it would sound very condescending to put things in such terms, so you couch it in a false concern for others. Which can easily be shown to be false, generally taking the form of a particularly ugly misanthropy, if ever the mask drops, or you are pushed out of your ideological comfort zone.
This is also why you will generally find people with strong individualist tendencies to be more trusting, more trustworthy, and more apt to just let people live their lives -- it's the same projection, but the other way round.
So if I'm standing at the bus stop and looking at my phone I'm getting a ticket? I mean, I'm upright, I'm on the sidewalk, I'm on the phone - one step away from ambulatory texting and how is a cop to know the difference. Just like being behind the wheel of a parked car with a beer in your bloodstream is drinking and driving as far as the law is concerned.
I can see coming to a complete stop on the sidewalk every time you look at your phone - what about if you sit down or lay down on the sidewalk? Is that going to be the new thing? Just walking along and suddenly the asshole in front of you just flops down on the sidewalk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJTHO6oE9EE
Do you look like someone who might have drugs on them? That's how they distinguish the difference in these petty matters.
"It's not just a theoretical point about government but a practical one. Every law creates an opportunity for government to use force against individuals, introducing violence into non-violent situations and increasing risk for the non-violent lawbreakers as well as the police officers ordered to enforce the laws.
Last year, another assemblywoman, Gabriela Mosquera (D- Gloucester), tried to designate September as "Distracted Walking Awareness Month" but that bill failed to get through the committee, which doesn't leave much chance for Lampitt's effort even in the nanny state of New Jersey."
We let them vote, even hold office. Look what we get.
Coach Reeves is dead.
http://www.cbssports.com/colle.....dead-at-71
That was a decent show
How can they tell?
Nevermind - I thought you meant Dan.
Squirrels are strong tonight?
Jeeze, you'd think being run over would be punishment enough.
DPRK News Bulletin: RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE'S COURT OF JUSTICE STRIKES POWERFUL BLOW FOR WOMEN, PERSONS OF COLOR IN BRINGING WHITE AMERICAN SABOTEUR TO JUSTICE
Coming from a country filled with citizens who lambaste black victims of state sanctioned violence by telling us that if we obey the law, we wouldn't have to face the consequences, Warmbier should've listened. If he had obeyed North Korea's laws, he would be home now. In fact, if he had heeded the U.S. Department of State's strong advisement against travel to North Korea, he would be home right now. And if Eric Garner is to be blamed for his own death for selling loose cigarettes or if Sandra Bland is dead because she failed to signal when changing lanes, then Otto Warmbier is now facing a decade and a half of hard labor because he lacked both good judgment and respect...
[snip]
As I've said, living 15 years performing manual labor in North Korea is unimaginable, but so is going to a place I know I'm unwelcome and violating their laws. I'm a black woman though. The hopeless fear Warmbier is now experiencing is my daily reality living in a country where white men like him are willfully oblivious to my suffering even as they are complicit in maintaining the power structures which ensure their supremacy at my expense. He is now an outsider at the mercy of a government unfazed by his cries for help. I get it.
He's in a DPRK labor camp. You're writing for a website with a national audience. Totes the same, got it.
So this is the author. Huh.
the. comments.
never, never again. Must remember. never go there.
Well, considering that you have MORONS in charge of New Jersey, I am not surprised lol. Glad I dont live in that shithole of a state.
http://www.Anon-Net.tk
The bots have reached sentience!!!!
Or damn good randomization!
Attention San Francisco area Reasonoids! Our meetup is now scheduled: tomorrow, Thursday, March 24th, from 6:00 to whenever at the Sugar Lounge at Hayes & Gough, a 13 minute walk from the Civic Center BART. If you are driving, I would describe parking in that neighborhood as "not impossible."
They have a good happy hour 4:30-7:30 ($5 draft beers/$4 well drinks, appetizers from Hahn's Hibachi Family Style Korean BBQ Restaurant). Look for the "Reason" sign inside.
We've only got about five attendees so far....
Totally related: cop kills pedestrian in crosswalk. "Pedestrian assumed risk..."
http://www.streetsblog.org/201.....ng-street/
Is that Caitlin Jenner?
Walking while smoking pot is just dandy. Walking while texting is not, unless you are texting your dealer, in which case it's protected by the 1st Amendment. Hippies is as Hippies does.
Why don't you people see that it was about walking in ROADWAYS?
You probably shouldn't walk and text while stepping onto a 100mph conveyor belt.
I wouldn't recommend that under any circumstances.
Correct, and Ed lets loose with this zinger:
"Of course, texting and walking doesn't present a significant risk to anyone but the person texting and walking"
Uh, Ed, in SF if a pedestrian or bicyclist is injured by your car, your whole day is ruined and probably a whole lot more.
CA has the one of the dumbest laws ever put on the books; the 'I don't care if you run me down' law. It says the pedestrian *always* has the right of way, and quite a few pedestrians take in to heart. And walk right out there while staring at the screen.
The car could swerve and run over a baby. It's possible the pedestrian could go through the windshield. If an occupant is not buckled the airbag could injure them. I have no problem with this law. Not being sarcastic.
You mean the law against walking in the street, nose glued to screen? My only question is why public stupidity needs to be against the law.
I'd suggest an alternative; indemnify any driver or biker who runs down a pedestrian in the street who has the phone in their hands. And let the d/b to sue for damages.
Walking in the street while stupid is not a free pass.
No sarc here, either.
"My only question is why public stupidity needs to be against the law."
So you wouldn'the mind if I came around your house and starting firing an AR-15 randomly?
OT: Some are more equal than others
http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-bor.....witter_NY1
Susan, Can't find the link right now, but I posted one last night about how HRC isn't going to be indicted, since those laws were 'not aimed at people like the Sec State'.
Yep, those laws only apply to hoi poloi, and the comments to the linked article were thrilled that 'the rethuglicans would have to find another fake scandal'.
That halo falls much farther and it's in danger of strangling someone.
As long as the servicing of the community involves a truck stop bathroom, various STDs and loud tearing sounds, I'm see no injustice here.
We could always set up exchanges in each state or even at the Federal level to provide compensation to those who are either struck by a car or those whose car is struck by a texting pedestrian. The only way to stop risky behavior is to get the govt to regulate, subsidize and encourage it.
"Of course, texting and walking doesn't present a significant risk to anyone but the person texting and walking." Really? Let's say I am a driver and there is a careless texting pedestrian who won't get out of my way. I swerve and crash into another pedestrian and hurt or kill him. Or into a tree and hurt or kill myself (or at the very least severely damage my car).
The principle that only harm to others, not one's self, is a legitimate concern of government may be a sound one, but the problem is that with a little ingenuity one can almost always find a potential for harm to others. In fact, Krayewski implicitly recognizes this by using the word "significantly". But here I don't even think the risk is insignificant.
OT:
"Palo Alto considers subsidized housing for families making under $250,000"
http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....977112.php
Who is this "Palo Alto" and how do I meet her?
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. Anybody here feeling pain?
Covered earlier, with much scorn.
How about:
"What Went Wrong? Campus Unrest, Viewpoint Diversity, and Freedom of Speech"
[...]
"...The Problem
Trigger warnings are supposed to be issued to students before readings, classroom lectures, film screenings, or public speeches on such topics as sex, addiction, bullying, suicide, eating disorders, and the like, involving such supposed prejudices as ableism, homophobia, sizeism, slut shaming, transphobia, victim-blaming, and who-knows-what-else, thereby infantilizing students instead of preparing them for the real world where they most assuredly will not be so shielded..."
http://www.skeptic.com/reading.....of-speech/
It has no end. The French Revolution is an apt comparison.
...or those whose car is struck by a texting pedestrian.
Nice.
If you have the means, even if you have to scrimp on something else, I strongly suggest buying an auto insurance policy well above the 30K/15K aggregate/incident low limit on state regulations. I am telling you all because the wife won't listen to me on this.
Kakraper Nuclear Plant Likely Undergoing a Loss of Coolant Accident
This happened on March 11 (5 years after Fumushima to the day). Haven't heard much about it at all though. Should provide some interesting real world insight into how a CANDU type reactor design handles this type of accident.