Election 2016

Donald Trump Supporters Are Less Authoritarian Than Ted Cruz Voters

And less anti-elitist than Bernie Sanders' followers.

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You know the score about Donald Trump, right? He "is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations," says Ph.D. student Matthew MacWilliams in Politico, who cites the way Trump voters rally around, among things, proposals to ban Muslims and deport illegal immigrants.

"Authoritarians obey," writes MacWilliams, who sampled 1,800 voters back in December. "They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened."

Not so fast, say political scientists Wendy Rahn and Eric Oliver, who did their own survey and argue that Trump's followers aren't particularly authoritarian but populist in inclination.

In The Washington Post, they write

Authoritarianism, as understood by political psychologists, refers to a set of personality traits that seek order, clarity and stability. Authoritarians have little tolerance for deviance. They're highly obedient to strong leaders. They scapegoat outsiders and demand conformity to traditional norms.

Populism, on the other hand, is a type of political rhetoric that casts a virtuous "people" against nefarious elites and strident outsiders. Scholars measure populism in a variety of ways, but we focus on three central elements:

  • Belief that a few elites have absconded with the rightful sovereignty of the people;
  • Deep mistrust of any group that claims expertise;
  • Strong nationalist identity 
Washington Post

Rahn and Oliver conclude that Trump voters are less authoritarian than Ted Cruz's followers and about as authoritarian as Marco Rubio's (note: the standard way of testing for authoritarianism is to ask questions about child-rearing).

As interesting (to me, anyway) are the other dimensions Rahn and Oliver scope out. Bernie Sanders' voters are highly anti-elitist but relatively trusting of experts, while Hillary Clinton voters and Ted Cruz share the same relatively tepid embrace of American identity as a big deal.

Rahn and Oliver stress that authoritarian and populist traits can and do overlap, but I think they're onto something when stressing Trump as populist.

Judging from various interviews and snippets with Trumpists, they don't seem particularly motivated by social issues such as gay marriage or abortion. Indeed Trump's kind words for Planned Parenthood, which drove establishment conservatives and the other GOP candidates stark, raving mad, had no effect on his vote totals so far.

No, the Trumpists are pissed at people in power less because nobody should hold power and more because they are incompetent. The lure of The Donald in this reading isn't that he is the reincarnation of Mussolini (i.e., the best at everything he does and worthy of a cult of personality) but that he will hold people accountable and, more important, bring in the "best" people to negotiate this or that trade deal and finish big projects. Think about it: Trump is constantly bragging about who he knows (Carl Icahn, for Christ's sake!) and who they will get results that have otherwise gone begging. He is quite openly a harbinger of chaos and mess, in politics and everything else. He has definitely drawn massive us against the world lines, but he is curiously inclusive. After his Nevada caucuses win, he was absolutely delighted to win the (albeit tiny) Hispanic vote.

Compare that with Ted Cruz's profile as sussed out by Rahn and Oliver. Cruz is more focused on people having the same values that he has—and he plainly believes all "real" Americans share them too. He's hauled out his "New York values" slag multiple times against Trump, and it's hard not to read that as an attempt by the conservative Christian—who supported Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis in her refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples—to paint The Donald as a moral degenerate. Forget about the multiple marriages and forsaken defense of abortion and general lack of interest in inveighing againt the gay lifestyle, just living in the Big Apple is proof of that, isn't it? 

In fact, neither Trump nor his voters seem overly concerned with social or moral norms very much, even as Cruz is quick to inject piety and Judeo-Christian values into most of his stump speeches. After winning in Iowa, for instance, Cruz's opening line in his victory speech was "To God the glory" and elsewhere he's insisted that starting every day praying on bended knee is a prerequisite for the presidency. At the same time, Cruz, who has a multi-Ivy League pedigree and a wife who worked for Goldman Sachs, seems more comfortable with the notions of elites (or, in religious terms, the elect) as long as they earned their position or come from the right populations. You'll never hear a Cruz loving the "poorly educated" the way Trump did after his win in Nevada. In fact, love is not really in Cruz's lexicon. He channels a vengeful god.

It's fascinating, too, to look at the way Sanders' voters shake out. They are the most anti-elitist yet the most trusting of experts, which is pretty much exactly what you'd expect from a "democratic socialist." He doesn't like groups who are able to amass power but he depends on experts to run all aspects of society, right? (Good luck with that, by the way.)

Understanding Trump as a populist rather than an authoritarian helps explain why he can get away with sloppy, inconsistent thinking. Authoritarians may care about that sort of consistency and attention to established etiquette but populists couldn't give a rat's ass. When Ted Cruz (or National Review, for that matter) attack Trump as weak on immigration because he will let some of the Mexicans he just deported back into the United States, they think they've found his weak spot. He's for…amnesty after all! But The Donald's followers aren't looking for an ironclad, systematic view of the world.

They want someone who empathizes with them, who acknowledges their anger, and will move decisively to change things in clear ways. Rahn and Oliver note that it's Trump's anti-elitism that differentiates him from the other GOP candidates (and also links him to Sanders). Anti-elitists, they say, respond yes to questions such as "The system is stacked against people like me" and "Politics usually boils down to a struggle between the people and the powerful." Trump is drafting off of Republicans' politics of resentment—the media is against us! the universities are against us!—and unlike the Rubios, Cruzes, and Kasichs of the world, he's not pretending that the right elites just haven't been elected yet. He's following the logic to its endpoint, which is that anyone in the system is already inherently part of the problem.

That may not be authoritarian, but it is deeply subversive and where exactly it will end up is far from clear. Alone among the GOP candidates, Trump has talked about being "flexible" when it comes to policy and positions, a stance for which he's taken tons of abuse from his rivals. "I'm changing, I'm changing," Trump said at one debate, while acknowledging a need for increased H1-B visa limits. "We need highly skilled people in this country." That sort of compromising (or pandering?) isn't common to authoritarians but it may actually allow for more discussion on issues than the hyper-partisan, calcified positions emanating from Sanders, Hillary Clinton, and all the GOP candidates too.

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294 responses to “Donald Trump Supporters Are Less Authoritarian Than Ted Cruz Voters

  1. That uses a pretty bizarre definition of “authoritarian”

        1. 3.1416 is much closer to pi than 3.1415.

      1. June 28, or GTFO.

      2. I prefer: “Happy pie day!”

        1. Every day is pie day, if you are into squat cobblers.

          1. Oh. I thought it was going to be a Twin Peaks clip. “Daaaammmn good pie!”

      3. There is nothing good about it, corporate taxes are due today. And pi is bullcrap anyways, tau is where its at

      4. I had some apple a la mode in honor of it.

    1. Strict Parenting = Yearning for All Powerful Government.

      Yeah, not really.

      I can easily see how limited government can get equated with Authoritarianism, though. If you want a small government, you probably want *few* laws, but they are the ones you really want *obeyed*.

      1. And if conservatives ran the social science profession they’d think over-indulgent parenting was a marker of authoritarianism, since it shows a willingness to have the government step in and apply the parental discipline the little monsters aren’t getting at home.

      2. What I see a lot of:

        Lack of parenting/traditional family structure = Yearning for Powerful Government to Be Mommy and Daddy

        “They’ll pay for my college, for my healthcare, protect me from people who say mean things about me….”

    2. Also, who cares?

      We’re not electing a politicians FOLLOWERS.

    3. I wish Gillespie wasn’t so quick to accept questions about child-rearing as a measure for authoritarianism.

  2. Now ya tell us!

    Patrick at Popehat hardest hit.

  3. I am not happy that Trump is doing so well, but even less happy that so many of his enemies are acting like violent, stupid, dangerous animals. I’m glad to see an occasional article here that reads like it wasn’t written by such.

    More rationality, please.

    1. Pssst…. not to be a Debbie Downer, but I think a better explanation is Nick just hit Stage 5 on the Kubler-Ross scale.

      1. Is that “acceptance”?I’m too lazy to google.

          1. I have been there for a while.

            Trump!

            For the LULZ

            1. Describes me as well. It’s like the joker is trapped inside me and trying to get out and he’s making me want Donald so I can enjoy the glorious chaos.

    2. I second.

    3. I am not happy that Trump is doing so well, but even less happy that so many of his enemies are acting like violent, stupid, dangerous animals. I’m glad to see an occasional article here that reads like it wasn’t written by such.

      Hear, hear!

    4. I actually AM happy that they’re acting like violent, stupid, dangerous animals. Why? Because it’s showing who they really are. This is exactly the type of reason that freedom of speech is so important. It’s just like when all those union guys in Michigan attacked a reporter who was protecting women and children in a tent set up for people supporting the Michigan right to work bill, and knocked the tent over with women and (possibly) children still inside.

      People need to be able to see exactly what kind of wackos these people actually are, it’s how we will root out and excise these pustules on society. Just like Mizzou is now seeing upwards of a 25% drop in enrollment because of… a bunch of whackjob racists constantly telling people how evil they are because of their skin color.

  4. If Gillespie actually included more policy info than mere campaign talk to show Cruz is authoritarian, I could believe him.

    What I do know is that Trump simply claims he will fix things without telling us how.

    I find the the later more authoritarian myself.

    1. I’d hate to have your verbal SAT score.

    2. doesn’t every single politician make that claim without providing details beyond more taxes or more laws?

      1. On a side note, I was explaining Gary Johnson in simple terms to some non-political friends. “He will get rid of all that shit you hate, and quit stealing your money”. It then occurred to me that statement would make an excellent campaign slogan.

  5. Bernie Sanders’ voters are highly anti-elitist but relatively trusting of experts

    How does that work?

    1. They don’t like to be told what to do, but think others need to be forced to do what the top men say. By gunpoint if necessary or perhaps preferably by gunpoint even though guns are icky.

      1. “By gunpoint if necessary?”
        Huckleberry Huckster has the lead on this tactic…
        “I almost wish that there would be something like a simultaneous telecast and all Americans would be forced, forced ? at gun point no less ? to listen to every David Barton message. And I think our country would be better for it. I wish it’d happen.”
        http://thinkprogress.org/polit…..id-barton/

        1. “I almost wish that there would be something like a simultaneous telecast and all Americans would be forced, forced ? at gun point no less ? to listen to every David Barton message

          Isn’t he the guy who opened all those really homoerotic gyms in NYC in the early 2000s?

        2. Yes, he’ll definitely be in a position to enact that opinion, what with the 1?1% of the vote he commands.

    2. You know damn well how it works – the intellectuals and the other elites get sent off to the camps, the plumbing experts run the concrete plants, the medical experts run the collective farms, the automotive experts run the deodorant factory…..

      1. “Ladies and gentlemen, the deodorant scent of 2018 is…. Buick!”

        1. Paco Trabant.

      2. The intellectuals and other elites go to camp first. Then the blue collar experts. Then the politicians set quotas for everyone else without any regard to markets, because labor is the source of production and capital and expertise are parasitic. Then everyone starves for a while until someone gets up the nerve (and is lucky enough not to get to go to camp) to suggest allowing a few traces of market freedom.

        Then you get alternating loosening (when the big bosses want more money to loot) and tightening (when said bosses get scared that some non apparatchiks are gaining power).

        But hey, at least you have destroyed the evil influence that is money.

          1. I spent 10 minutes starting to write something wry or humorous, but you know what. I just can’t. Fuck socialists. Evil is real and it usually starts with envy.

            1. Evil is real and it usually starts with envy.

              Yep. That’s pretty much what I took away from the story of Cain and Abel.

          2. Tuol Sleng is an evil place. The guy who painted the painting in that video, Vann Nath, was one of only seven surviving prisoners to make it out of that place. Out of roughly 17,000 prisoners who were sent there.

            I don’t support torture as a form of execution, but it is difficult not to want those like Comrade Duch to have to experience that which he oversaw.

    3. I would guess Sanders supporters (and I know a few), see elitists as people who became rich by mysterious means (i.e. in a way a Sanders supporter doesn’t understand) and hold too much power. Experts are people like college professors and Ivy League grads who don’t see themselves as elitists but rather as experts who are not listened to by less sophisticated people.

      1. Pol Pot went after the acedemics too

        1. He wasn’t all bad.

        2. acedemics

          I hate people who give consent as well.

        3. What’s an acedemic? Is that a pandemic of ace fighter pilots? I’m confused…

          Just ribbing you 😉

    4. Cognitive dissonance: The Progtard’s greatest ally.

      1. Says the guy posting on a friendly page, using a silly nickname created by said page members…oh never mind, you wouldn’t get it anyway.

    5. Everyone who says the ‘right’ things is an expert. See: Tony on climate.

  6. I think I’ll be sitting tomorrow out. First time in as as long as I remember. If Kasich would have dropped out like a man instead of the shitweasle he is, I might have gone and voted for Cruz, but evidently Kasixh voters in Ohio would rather have Trump than Cruz. Not like I’m some Cruz fan anyways. He’s the only one thoug who has a shot at beating Trump and he might even have a shot at beating Hillary which is my end desire. No Hillary.

    1. STFU and VOTE TRUMP

      1. ^Actual Trump bumper sticker.

        1. If that were real, that would be the greatest political bumper sticker ever.

      2. Thing is, the best strategy to beat Trump might be to vote for him. Kasich says he’ll drop if he loses Ohio. If that happens, Cruz may still be able to catch up.

  7. FWIW,I think Trump is a relatively socially liberal paleocon.

    1. Now if only he was the least bit fiscally conservative

      1. We don’t know but grade school civics taught me the legislative branch is responsible for that.

        1. It’s responsible for social policy, in so far as the feds are involved, as well, so by that argument it doesn’t matter who is President.

      2. He is. Read his website.

        1. Paleocon = I don’t need any fancy new bullshit, I can con you with the old school bullshit

  8. The unfortunate fact is that all of the remaining candidates of the two major parties can rightfully be characterized as authoritarian. That supporters of various authoritarian candidates score low on authoritarianism just shows their suckers and maybe ignorant and/or stupid (and I didn’t look at the survey but fluff like this is often horseshit). Sure they vary in how they may manifest their authoritarian tendencies but any one of them will certainly give it to us just like we like it: good and hard.

  9. Finally a Trump article today! I was beginning to think Reason forgot all about Trump.

    Now, on to some great Trump discussions in the comment section!

  10. That seems like a pretty loaded definition of the term “authoritarian.” For example, Sanders might not be fond of “traditional authorities” but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t replace them with new authorities that are just as or more strict.

    I’m curious to see how this compares to other data. I remember from South Carolina polling that Trump’s supporters were the most likely to take authoritarian stances on Islam (not just banning Muslim immigration, but shutting down all mosques and banning Islam in the United States), gay immigration, white supremacy, etc.

    1. I’d think Sanders’ ideas about raising federal revenue by a roughly a bajillion dollars would necessarily require new authorities.

      1. “The Road to Surfdom” wasn’t just a track by the Beach Boys.

    2. Meh, closing mosques and banning islam would improve the human condition for millions of human beings.

      1. No it wouldn’t. You should learn this thing called ‘history’.

      2. Mankind in general would be better off if people just grew up and quit believing in fairy tales, but I sure don’t want to see government goons going in to close down mosques, churches, lemonade stands or anything else.

      3. First they came for the Muslims…

    3. Meh, closing mosques and banning islam would improve the human condition for millions of human beings.

    4. That seems like a pretty loaded definition of the term “authoritarian.”

      It’s a Fruedian/Marxist concept. The idea IIRC is that children who are treated poorly by their parents look for authority figures and then murder all the Jews.

    5. IIRC, the term “authoritarian” was devised by the Frankfort School people to designate people on the political right. You see, the spectrum runs from open-minded tolerant people (like the researchers) on the left, to intolerant proto-fascists on the right.

      Which, of course, sounds a lot like the sort of demonizing and othering which are supposedly a characteristic of authoritarians.

      1. Do you have a source? According to this, which I found via Google, the term comes from the mid 1800s which is well before the Frankfurt School was founded.

        http://www.etymonline.com/inde…..horitarian

        1. I didn’t know the term went back that far, but I still think the use of the term by social scientists was based on the Frankfurt School classic The Authoritarian Personality.

    6. Calidissident, it does annoy me that the term “authoritarian” always seems to be applied to the right and not the left. Somehow, top-down socialist control and regimentation of society isn’t “authoritarian”?

      1. I do see it sometimes applied to left-wing dictatorships like the USSR, North Korea, China, Cuba, etc. but it does seem to be aimed overwhelmingly at the right-wing in the US, even though I think there’s plenty of authoritarian sentiment on the left here.

    7. Surprisingly, all the people running for the executive office are interested in wielding executive power. Who could have guessed?

  11. “You know the score about Donald Trump, right?”

    Never heard of him.
    What’s everybody drinking?

    1. Cheap red wine. Soon to be replaced by better red wine, because I just accepted a new job offer today. Let’s hear it for Silicon Valley money!

      Hey, Bernie Sanders types! I’m doing my part to fight the 1% by taking money from venture capitalists. Heh.

      1. congratulations. Let me know if there’s room for one more.

      2. Congrats on the new job, Papaya. What’ll you be doing, if it’s not too personal to ask?

        Deep Eddy’s Peach Vodka mixed with HEB’s version of Jarritos’s mango soda is disgustingly tasty.

        1. Thanks, guys. What can I say here? Hmmm… nah, let’s just say it involves pretty cool Silicon Valley stuff.

    2. Great draughts of deep hurting.

  12. Just what do you think are you doing, Nick?

    Don’t you know that the Reason party line is that Trump and his supporters are Evil Evil Evil?

    Matt just had an article that went off the reservation too. Maybe about Open Borders. Like you weren’t Da Debil if you weren’t for them.

    Off the reservation!

    Was the Progressitarian coup against Reason just a bad dream? Am I going to wake up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette soon?

    You know, from my perspective, you guys aren’t required to like Trump. Or immigration controls. It’s just the self righteous dishonest pants shitting hysteria that was getting old.

    I’ve missed articles like this that actually provide data I don’t have, and analyzes that data. Here’s hoping we’re all back in bed with Suzanne soon.

    1. I miss the Postrel era, when there seemed to be more articles about libertarian solutions to specific problems, and less bitching and whining.

      1. That was true most of the time before the Postrel era too.

    2. “It’s just the self righteous dishonest pants shitting hysteria that was getting old.”

      I agree Trump supporters are the worst that way. And every way.

  13. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened.

    Whatever you call it, that’s been my experience with Trumpbots, anecdotally speaking. It’s been my personal experience with leftists, too, with regard to their respective cult leaders, to be sure, but that’s to be expected.

  14. “hyper-partisan, calcified positions emanating from Sanders…”

    like we shouldn’t invade countries that don’t threaten us or increase military spending from zillions to gazillions of dollars. I’m unaware exactly what partisan opinions Bernie sanders might have since up until 2015 he wasn’t even a Democrat.

    For a person who routinely challenges the notion that we need to abandon the two party system for the libertarian other, nick sure is dismissive of America’s longest standing Independent politician.

    1. In fairness to Nick, he’s not dismissive of him because of his independence. He’s dismissive of him because he’s a doddering old fool who has no basic understanding of economics or human nature.

      1. “he’s a doddering old fool who has no basic understanding of economics or human nature.”

        He still thinks 1917 is ‘he future’ and missed 1989 entirely.

        1. My line is that Sanders hasn’t learned anything about economics since Eugene Debs.

        2. I wish I believed in God so I could pray that a replay of 1917 isn’t in our future.

    2. “like we shouldn’t invade countries that don’t threaten us”

      Unless they are Kosovo or Iraq in 1991 (granted the US ‘only’ bombed Kosovo).

  15. Maybe, but only one of them has shown a penchant for violence.

    sorry, not going to fall for the Cruz boogeyman because “ewww…this guy actually BELIEVES in God”

  16. . Bernie Sanders’ voters are highly anti-elitist but relatively trusting of experts

    They do not trust medical doctors, but they trust holistic, gluten-free, yoga instructors? I believe that.

    1. I actually think the interesting line is the Blue one for sanders supporters.

      1. George Bush and capitalism have made them sad.

        1. I think its more that each of the other 3 categories all had positive and negative attributes which varied by candidate.

          While the “American Identity” thing ranged from “neutral” to “varying degrees of positive” with everyone…

          except Sanders supporters.

          That line isn’t really properly defined as “Nationalist” so much – as the study notes:

          We measure this with questions like “I consider myself to be different than ordinary Americans” or “How important is being an American to your sense of self?””

          Its more ‘is your view of other Americans positive, and do you see yourself as an American”

          They’re the only ones who consistently and strongly say, “No”.

          Which a funny quirk about progs in general. They identify so strongly with this idea of themselves as “globalists” with a deep appreciation of other cultures. But the fact is that the majority of them have never even really traveled, much less lived abroad. And more international travel & experience – contrary to many assumptions – actually tends to make people score their appreciation of “American-ness” much higher in these sorts of polls.

          IOW, they’re not really “Worldly”, but they want to see themselves that way.

    2. Leftists love to be told what to do. Their entire world view is grounded in building a paternalistic government that will provide them wonderfully equal and free services. When they speak of elites, they mean the wealthy. And when they hate ‘experts,’ it’s because the experts are adopting positions that don’t feed into their worldview where the rich are all the 19th century robber barons their shitty school textbooks told them existed.

      1. They vision themselves as the true free thinkers. Who want everyone else to be told what to do.

    3. And climate scientists. I bet the two most trusted experts among Sanders supporters are homeopaths and climate scientists. Least trusted would actuaries and mathematicians.

    4. Don’t forget granola crunchin’ Homeopaths.

    5. Trump supporters believe cannabis cures cancer.

      1. Well I meant to type Bernie. But hey.

  17. Donald has my vote. He is the president America deserves. Trump supporters deserve him because they deserve the crushing disappointment they’ll experience when they realize he’s a retard blowhard incapable of keeping his promises. The establishment Republicans deserve him because their cronyism created the despair that drove their base into his arms. Democrats deserve him because their fascist-like tactics deserve an equal response.

    1. When are we invading Canada?

      1. The North American Anschluss will take place during the Trumpenfuhrer’s third “term”.

        1. Heil Trump! *snaps heels*

        2. The Man in the High Penthouse?

        3. 54 40 or FIGHT!

          (sorry, I don’t know the degree and minute mark …)

          1. Try this ‘ and “

          2. alt 248 for degrees, minutes is just ‘

    2. You’re going to give *us* the President *they* deserve?

      1. Yes. Libertarians (including myself) are as deeply delusional as every other segment of the US population. We deserve Trump as well.

        1. Libertarians deserve Trump because of all the open borders nonsense.

          1. How dare we be on the side of reason and freedom. Evidence is for faggots.

            1. because open borders works so well when mixed with a welfare state.

              1. Yeah, it does. There is no evidence that open borders worsens the welfare state.

                1. you want to reconsider that? http://www.usatoday.com/story/…../71517072/

                  1. Reason and Cato already fisked that: immigrants use that welfare for a much shorter duration than natives. Besides, that doesn’t challenge my original statement.

                    http://object.cato.org/sites/c…..2n1-11.pdf

                    Spoiler alert: there is no correlation between a states’ levels of immigrants and the amount spent on welfare.

                    1. 2/3rds of refugees in Germany are “basically illiterate”

                      That couldn’t possibly effect welfare spending, huh?

      2. If you’re one of us, you’re changing your name to Notorious UGC Se?or and heading south before they get that wall built.

        – Harryskeeds

    3. I think you have it about right. And when he turns out to be just an ordinary President, maybe people will realize how stupid our political and media classes are. I mean a real hustler and reality TV star shows up and does an acceptable job at the worlds most important job as they call it, maybe people will think differently about politicians.

    4. As long as you don’t think we deserve Hillary, maybe there’s a glimmer of hope for us yet

    5. You should be in sales. Best pitch I’ve heard for Trump.

  18. Marxist self-criticism time: I think poor people who vote for A right-wing politician that will send their kids to fight in a bullshit war for Jesus and the USA are idiots. I am an elitist asshole. Sorry.

    1. In order to have a proper self-criticism, you first need to be browbeaten by a Party official while your fellow-Marxists taunt and jeer at you.

      1. I come here for that. You’d be amazed the shit I get from libertarians when I say we should vote for sanders and not Ted Cruz. Hurtful, to say the least, it is.

        1. I think you missed the key point that Marxists are expected to take abuse *from fellow Marxists,* and then say “thank you, sir, may I have another?”

          It’s to be expected that Marxists will be persecuted by the capitalist running-dogs at H&R.

          1. I’ve come across people who experienced first hand, heard stories and read about how fucking miserable Marxist left-wing ‘communes’ and organizations were. Filled with low-life individuals who stole, beat women and were lazy.

    2. So the Obo-supporters? Or is his bullshit war for nothing at all other than his egomania?

        1. Only the last four of five, along with continuing every one he promised to end.
          That enough for you?

    3. 1. It is a myth that the American military is made up particularly of ‘poor’ people and their children. Many or most are solidly middle class background.
      2. No one is forced to go off and fight for the American military. You sign-up, and anyone who has done so since 9/11 did so knowing full well what they were going to fight for.
      3. No one viewed the War on Terror as a war for Jesus. Not even Bush.

      So, once again, fuck off you commie sack of shit.

  19. “You’ll never hear a Cruz loving the “poorly educated” the way Trump did after his win in Nevada.”

    Ted Cruz with Kim Davis, who I assume has some kind of divinity degree from Harvard, otherwise Cruz wouldn’t be associating with her.

    So, if you’re going to harp on how Cruz supports Kim Davis – and we can stipulate that this is the worst thing in the world, etc. – then you either have to (a) argue that Kim Davis is educated, or (b) abandon the talking point that Cruz doesn’t profess love for the poorly educated.

  20. I have been a George F. Will fan for 30 years. Not always, he has a problem blue jeans for some reason.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02861.html

    That’s a minor concern, otherwise, I wouldn’t mind if were my dad.

    He has written a series of apoplectic articles about Trump recently. Buffoon! narcissistic!, as if these traits were uncommon among office seekers. He does have Phd in American history after all.

    No point to this post, just an observation.

    1. The number one issue most conservatives have with Trump is the way he says things, rather than what he actually says. They don’t dislike that Trump wants to build a wall, deport Muslims, or any other suck specific policies. They’ve in fact endorsed those things or policies targeting the same groups. The wall? Many conservatives would gladly vote for one, as stupid as it is. Hell, HILLARY voted for a god damn wall. Hillary and the 1990’s Democrats were anti-immigrant. Or at least anti-illegal immigration.

      No, the great sin of Trump to these statist cunts is that he doesn’t subdue his rhetoric. He’s incredibly blunt about how he would use the power of the state. And these critics by and large have no problem with an all powerful and intrusive state that crushes civil liberties for people they don’t like.

      So Trump’s issue is really he’s not one of them. He doesn’t try to speak like them. But his arbitrary form of government isn’t drastically different. He goes a bit more extreme on two issues as far as I can tell – Muslims and Mexicans. Otherwise, he’s your typical statist or lukewarm centrist without principle.

      1. You just described the conservative movement perfectly. The only thing I would add is that Trump doesn’t pretend to be a conservative. And the movement activists hate him for that too.

      2. He goes a bit more extreme on two issues as far as I can tell – Muslims and Mexicans.

        From a nationalist POV (I am mildly nationalist) it’s worth considering the value Muslims and Mexicans bring to my country. My country, I say with a whisper. And there you have the problem. It’s not my country, it seems to belong to someone else.

        1. I’m with you there, widget. I never really considered myself a “nationalist,” but the idea that the US is somehow morally obligated to let in every Latin American peasant and every follower of the world’s most oppressive and anti-liberty religion is just nonsense.

          1. No it isn’t that’s how freedom works.

            1. it’s a country, not a theme park. Please explain which nation anywhere has benefited from a mass influx of either third-world poor people or Muslims.

              1. “Please explain which nation anywhere has benefited from a mass influx of either third-world poor people or Muslims.”

                Every single one, including America. The mass influx of poor people is how America was built.

                “it’s a country, not a theme park. ”

                Exactly.

                1. Every single one, eh? So that explains the current issues that Europe is having, the almost-exclusively Muslim-fueled wave of rape and other violence. Sorry, but there is no place made better by a mass of them. Same holds true for barely literate low-skilled people.

                  1. That is entirely a problem of disarmed citizenry. Further, have there actually been any real crime statistics released buttressing this ‘rape wave’?

                    ” Sorry, but there is no place made better by a mass of them. Same holds true for barely literate low-skilled people.”

                    Again: America. Get over it. People like you have been wrong every single time about mass immigration in the past. That’s not going to change.

                2. Germany 2015.

        2. It doesn’t ‘belong’ to anyone. It’s not your property. It’s not your club.

          1. Excuse me, but the US, like any other country, is the property of its citizens. Saying otherwise does not make it so.

            1. No it isn’t. Do you have a property deed? No, because the US is not your private property. You clearly don’t understand the whole ‘nation-state’ thing.

              1. You do know that “republic” literally means “the public property” in Latin right?

    2. His angst is entirely justified. The GOP is committing suicide. The conservative movement is rent apart.

      1. The conservative movement hasn’t conserved shit for decades.

        1. True, but it could be worse and we’re about to find out the hard way just how much so.

          1. That’s the punishment for decadent societies.

    3. He’s also completely right about jeans. Crotch-crushing sado-masochist fabric objects.

  21. This is a bullshit, loaded and biased view of ‘authoritarianism’ to start with. Sanders is the most authoritarian candidate in the race. He believes everything and anything is fair game for the government to take. He would essentially nationalize huge portions of the economy, and not just healthcare. His authoritarianism gets dismissed because it’s the ‘good’ (as in, left) kind. He means well because socialism/communism is great on paper because it’s (supposedly) about helping people. His power grabs would dwarf those of Trump’s.

    Next is Trump who has adopted your typical nationalist and xenophobic positions.

    What’s really sad is that Nick hates Cruz more than Trump. He hates Cruz despite actually agreeing with him on more policy positions than he does Trump. It’s asinine and not grounded in reason. Much like these bullshit studies. Instead of talking about actual honest to god authoritarian policies a candidate and supporters endorse, we end up with far more subjective measures.

    Who would Nick have us vote for? Libertarian party? Hillary, who he seems to be softest on?

    1. Nationalizing the economy isn’t authoritarian anymore. Bernie wants to help poor people. He’s honest despite changing about a dozen of his positions since starting his campaign. Ignore his support for authoritarian leftwing governments in Latin America and even the Soviet Union. Forget what you read about all those other authoritarian regimes in history who squashed the private sector. Authoritarianism is just believing in some notion such as American or Christian values and voting on them.

      You certainly aren’t authoritarian if you just other rich people, corporations, and bankers if any of the terms could be replaced with Jew and be indistinguishable from the rants of 19th and 20th century anti-Semites.

    2. This is excellent. Your post is completely correct.

  22. I’ve been reading this “authoritarian” crap all day on social media. It’s meaningless. ALL candidates’ supporters are authoritarian to some extent. Election term after election term, we choose our guy or gal and slavishly support whatever version of “I’m going to [fill in the blank] to ensure that [fill in the blank].” they happen to be hawking?none of which can be implemented without pointing gun barrels at the general populace. Bernie, too, has a slew of pie in the sky policies to make everything all better. So how does that make him or his supporters any less authoritarian than Trump?

    1. Hello!

  23. ..instead of talking about actual honest to god authoritarian policies

    You might have hit the nail on the head there. Trump is a pragmatist. Cruz takes his orders from God.

    1. You know who else was on a mission from God?

    2. Right, the guy who made a career of the phrase “You’re fired.” Is a centrist pragmatist.

      Someone check Nick’s oxygen bottle. I think it’s running low again.

      1. Isn’t firing people often very pragmatic? Or “firing” a program you initiated that winds up not working, so you don’t achieve your goal but at least cut your losses?

    1. The lady in red standing to the left of Trump has a nice pair.

  24. Gee Nick, can you project any more? If this thing had less substance it would float. Defining populist vs. authoritarian based on child rearing practices is something I would expect from the mushy sciences – but really can you lay off your anti-religious koolaid for a minute. Fact: Cruz is the most emphatically constitutional originalist candidate. Fact Trump routinely talks about extra-constitutional measures to “Make America Great”. Trump may be a Populist, but so was Andrew Jackson and he gleefully brought us the Trail of Tears.

    1. Cruz is a Bush-bot phony conservative who sold his soul to Goldman Sachs.

      1. Thanks for the retard take. When we want to know what a retard is thinking on a subject, we’ve got you to give it to us.

    2. Cruz at one time. wanted stronger enforcement of Federal pot laws.

      He neglected to note that a Prohibition Amendment (for the drugs he dislikes) had not been passed.

      Constitutionalist? When convenient.

      Note he has changed his position to States rights. No mention of CSA repeal.

  25. Trump always struck me, where political philosophy is concerned, more as a populist more than anything. Authoritarian never crossed my mind. Authoritarianism usually finds an audience on the left side of the spectrum.

    1. There’s no conflict. Keep going.

      1. What conflict?

    2. The number one thing Trump supporters have in common is that they don’t feel they have a voice in government. Everyone claims to want to represent the dispossessed but they never mean it. If they did, there wouldn’t be any dispossessed. And when someone comes along who does, God help him because all right thinking people will hate and fear him.

      1. God help him because all right thinking people will hate and fear him.

        Fix that for you.

        If I want to vote for a kleptocrat, I’ve got Hillary.
        If I want to play protectionist games, I’ve got Bernie.
        If I want to stick my head in the sand on entitlements, any of the Team Blue candidates are perfect.

        Trump supporters a voting out of pure, incoherent rage and selecting a candidate that’s little different than his opposition. The only meaningful difference appears to be that he’s cruder and more traditionally racist vs. the new Left’s enlightened racial awareness. You’re so desperate to win that you’ll vote for a D just because he’s taped an R over it.

        1. Illegal aliens are not a race. Islam is not a race. So what exactly makes Trump a “racist”?

          1. Silly me for confusing those Mexican “rapists” with a racist remark.

            1. He never said Mexicans were rapists. He said the Mexicans who come here are not Mexico’s best. And he is right. Do you believe it when people tell you they are descended fro Royalty? Successful people generally have no reason to leave where they are.

              1. So we just get the losers in our grad schools? Makes sense.

            2. Here, let me Google that for you…. Oops, sorry for the hatefacts.

              1. Papayatard is actually citing WND. Just so you people know that.

                1. Typical of Cytotoxic to dismiss things based on the URL, and not on, you know, the actual content.

              2. Here’s something for your next Trump lovefest.

                1. so I should forget that broke into my house and are basically squatting there because, overall, you’re a good person? Of course, they’re more likely to commit crime; they accomplished that much just by being here. I get the motivation for most and, in some ways, they are the most honest brokers in the deal. But they’re not pristine.

                  1. …what?

                    1. Skippy’s article is how illegals are no more a crime threat than anyone else. That is, if you forget the part about their being here illegally in the first place. I realize that’s a non-issue for you but others disagree, some pointing to the inability of open borders to co-exist with the welfare state.

                    2. Is the American Immigration Council study cited in the McPaper article pulling the same trick that Cato’s done: i.e., comparing illegal immigrants’ crime rates with native born citizens in the same income quintile, and not those of the average citizen? Not surprising that illegals, as criminally inclined as Trumpistas think they are, don’t quite equal native born inhabitants in garden spots like every urban slum in this country.

                      If I got to compare my behavior versus those of Cabrini Green’s denizens (yes, I know it’s been torn down these last fifteen years, bear with me), I’d look great too.

                    3. “That is, if you forget the part about their being here illegally in the first place. ”

                      Which is not a crime in a meaningful sense at all.

                      “some pointing to the inability of open borders to co-exist with the welfare state.”

                      This is a fiction. They can easily co-exist.

                    4. Somehow, I think Milton Friedman was more right than you are.

        2. I don’t see how he is a racist. And he is a Democrat but one from like 1988. He sure as hell isnt a Democrat as the party stands today.

          The hard left has taken over the Democratic Party. And yeah I would vote for about anyone to keep those animals out of power.

          1. He is indistinguishable from Hillary except at the margins. The office exists to give him what he wants. If you think there is a meaningful choice between the two, think again. He is perfectly ready to censor speech. He has no intention of reforming entitlements. He’s fine with abusing eminent domain. He’s dangerously ignorant of basic foreign policy (nukular triangle, what’s that?). I’m sure he’s changed his mind on single payer. No, really. He’s going to repeal Obamacare but make sure that the government pays for everyone who can’t afford health insurance. Protectionism fits right in with the Left’s agenda. He’s had no compunctions about progressive taxation in the past.

            What convinced you that he’s on the road to Damascus? The wall?

            1. There is a huge difference. Hillary would command the complete loyalty of every Democrat in Congress. It would make her completely unaccountable for anything. Trump would command little loyalty from either side and would be held accountable for everything.

              And Hillary is a hard leftist. I do t see how Trump is anything close to that. He is not a libertarian but he is also not a hard leftist.

              1. Based on…? He sure seems to like to use government intervention in the economy and he sure doesn’t mind the welfare state.

                1. Not everyone who is the the left of you is a leftist skippy.

                  1. Just people to the left of you, John?

                    1. No. Not all of them either. Trump isn’t a socialist.

                    2. He just plays one on TV as much as Hillary does. Tell me where he is significantly different. His sudden conversion on tax policy? His health care policy of, um, more Medicaid-y stuff?

                    3. John has no principals. He’s the consummate conservative that way. Just random animus against ‘stuff I don’t like today’.

                    4. I kinda wish you and John would mutually annihilate. That may be your dream conservative, but that’s hardly definitive.

                    5. Do you just reflexively go ad hominem?

                    6. ^supposed to be addressed to Cytotoxic

                    7. No, but there is no point in going any other way with John, who I suspect is mental, or most of the yokeltards infesting this place. These people should just fucking leave.

                    8. These people should just fucking leave.

                      Gonna whine to Gillespie about it like that head-case Hihn?

                    9. To be fair, Gillespie should go to. He sucks.

                    10. There is something precious about the guy denying that a nation has any right to exclude anyone who wants to enter, saying that those who disagree should leave.

                    11. Cytotoxic is full of amusing contradictions. He wants to bomb the shit out of Muslims in their home countries, and then welcome them when they want to move to the West.

                    12. He’s the consummate conservative that way.

                      This from the same guy whining about how Trump is killing the conservative movement. Gee, maybe if the conservative “movement” had more principles than just “figure out how to get the GDP to go up another 2% regardless of the consequences” and “needlessly bomb other countries” Trump wouldn’t have gained any traction.

                    13. I’m happy to see the conservative movement die, but the form of the destructor matters. I don’t want something worse to replace the SQ. I know this kind of forward, sophisticated thinking is a bit beyond you, and that’s why you shouldn’t be here.

                    14. I’m happy to see the conservative movement die, but the form of the destructor matters.

                      Right, that’s why you’ve been complaining that Trump’s blowing it up. That’s the thing about realignments, you don’t get to choose how these things come about. Trump would be getting no traction at all if the GOP hadn’t become such a craven institution to begin with.

                      I don’t want something worse to replace the SQ.

                      The SQ is what got the party into this situation to begin with. Now you’re whining that something worse is taking place? If you don’t want Weimar results, don’t create Weimar conditions.

                      I know this kind of forward, sophisticated thinking is a bit beyond you, and that’s why you shouldn’t be here.

                      Tough shit, buttercup. I’m not going anywhere, and as the GOP and you continue to flail about as to why their party’s going in the toilet, I’ll continue to point out as to why you’re so clueless about why it’s happening.

              2. “There is a huge difference. Hillary would command the complete loyalty of every Democrat in Congress.”

                Who are a minority.

                “And Hillary is a hard leftist. I do t see how Trump is anything close to that.”

                That’s because you’re willfully blind.

      2. The 2015 word-of-the-year is “Gutmensch,”

        http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-…..a-18972956

        English is easy on adopting a foreign word. Are you a Gutmensch?

        “Da!”

        “Ich bin einer Gutmenshen.” I have no idea how close that is to German with all that conjugating.

        1. Ich bin nicht einen gutmenscher. 🙂

    3. Barring free trade and stopping illegal immigration are authoritarian. So is a database for Muslims and ‘doing something’ about free speech.

  26. Scot Adams is awesome

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1…..y-my-fault

    1. Yes, everyone interested in Trump should read his posts.

      1. Thanks, I’ll pass on the psychobabble.

        1. Adams has been far better at prediction that you have been….

  27. Authoritarianism, as understood by political psychologists, refers to a set of personality traits that seek order, clarity and stability. Authoritarians have little tolerance for deviance. They’re highly obedient to strong leaders. They scapegoat outsiders and demand conformity to traditional norms.

    In other words, Progtards.

  28. “Deep mistrust of any group that claims expertise”

    Anyone who isn’t distrustful of progressives and their claims of expertise, neocons and their claims of expertise, et. al. is an idiot.

    The appeal to authority is a real thing. People have used their supposed authority to screw us by way of the Iraq War, ObamaCare, and they’re still trying to do it through climate change treaties, etc.

    Just because I’m not fond of Trump and disagree with him on a host of issues doesn’t mean his supporters are wrong to mistrust elites claiming expertise.

  29. Trump anti-elitist? He is practically a libertarian. Well an H&R libertarian.

    “Top Men” ring a bell?

    1. Our top men are different MSimon. Didn’t you know that?

    2. I’d think you were being sarcastic if it weren’t for the last line.

      Trump is not a libertarian.

      . . . in any way I can tell.

      His minions may be in some ways–being anti-elitist, for example.

      Weren’t you the one voting for him for the LULZ?

      1. Just for kicks Ken, suppose Trump turned out to be an acceptable President. That he showed up and made a few deals with Cogress and at kept things afloat for four years.

        Wouldn’t a guy like him doing an acceptable job do a lot of damage to the cult of the top men? I honestly think the political class is more afraid of his succeeding than anything.

        1. Just for kicks, John, suppose Trump gets in office and uses it to the fullest crony extent while making Barry look like the spendthrift only Buttplug can see. Wouldn’t that do a lot of damage to the “he’s not a politician” brand?

          Counterfactuals and hypotheticals are about as fun as they are useful.

          1. He would end up being impeached and convicted in the Senate guarenteed. The leadership of both parties in Congress would hate him. And if both parties went after him the media would follow. And if he did those things, they would have reason too.

            Yours is an easy one to imagine.

            1. Or he gives the Democrats exactly what they want and nothing happens. Of course that wouldn’t be consistent with the over 50 years he’s been a Democra… oh wait.

              1. Like rolling over for the Democrats would save him. That would just get what the want and impeach him anyway.

                And since when did electing a republican mean the Demorats don’t get what they want?

                1. Ah, so he’s going to, um, do what again? Great stuff? Strong stuff? The best stuff?

        2. If Trump is elected, I hope he surprises the hell out of me.

          I want to be wrong about Trump.

          1. I coulda been a Top Man. If only I had graduated from college.

            1. You had a receptive anal sex joke there and you foolishly squandered it.

              1. No fan of butt sex. The clean up seems excessive.

  30. Trumpists

    Trumpets, Nick. Do it.

    1. So afternoon tea with Trump supporters would be crumpets with Trumpets?

      1. So hot women who support Trump are Strumpets?

        1. I see, you hesitate to click my link for fear that it is some sort of joke.

          So on the one hand you’re giving up the possibility of ogling some hot chick(s), but on the other hand you’re playing it safe because who knows what images I would link?

            1. To whom is this all addressed?

              1. Anyone gullible enough to click my BS link.

                I mean, anyone insightful enough to look at the riches available behind my link.

                  1. Well, thank you for that.

  31. I am legitimately starting to expect to log onto Reason sometime this month and read “Ted Cruz is a Poopy Face,” by Nick Gillespie.

  32. Sooo…Is this Gillespie’s way of endorsing Trump?
    Seriously, Reason is way obsessed with the Donald.

  33. says Ph.D. student Matthew MacWilliams in Politico

    Matthew MacWilliams is founder of MacWilliams Sanders, a political communications firms, and a Ph.D. candidate in political science at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, where he is writing his dissertation about authoritarianism.

    Considering he possesses a terminal degree, I would have thought Gillespie would know the difference between a student and candidate, unless Nick graduated from one of those pussy-ass programs that didn’t require comprehensive exams.

    1. What does a qual even look like for PoliSci, “Did you vote for Barry?”

      1. “No, silly, I wasn’t even born in 1964!”

        1. Ok, that one even made me chuckle.

      2. I hope it would be something like: “You are Ralph. Jack and his band of savages are at your camp to kill Piggy. How would you convince the band of savages to impeach Jack and abstain from murdering Piggy. Provide proper citations for all reference to theory.”

        1. It’s always the optics with you, isn’t it?

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  38. The counterfeiters are busy tonight.

  39. Marxist mea culpa part deux: I got tripped up by the double negative. I’m anti-elitist and pro-expertise. This means I don’t think poor people are stupid for voting for right-wingers who love Jesus and killing a million people in the Mideast AND think that we should listen to people who have ph.Ds in climate science. Sorry.

    1. Well I see you are incompetent when it comes to evaluating science. I’ve had training in that. I’m an aerospace engineer.

    2. american socialist|3.14.16 @ 11:33PM|#
      “Marxist mea culpa part deux”

      Not even a decent start.

    1. I didn’t know Hillary was Jewish.

  40. http://dailycaller.com/2016/03…..bya-video/

    Trump is going to eat her alive.

    1. Said no one who understands modern culture or looked at polling data.

      1. You misunderestimate Trump. A common failing so far.

  41. They are voting for Trump because he is the “angry old white guy” AKA: authoritarian. Cruz Cuban, Rubio Cuban, Jeb has a Mexican wife (remember Trump’s tweet), Carly woman, Carson Black, Rand (he’s just a little guy), Kasich too nice. Come on, who cares about policy .. Make America Great Again.

    1. Hogwash. He is the only one addressing their concerns.

  42. Shell-shocked. Bewildered. Republicans are hierarchical, respectful of authority, and we fall in line, and Trump has interrupted that cycle.

    GOP Establishment Elites Discuss How to Stop Trump ? ‘All He Has Going for Him Is a Lot of Votes’

    1. comment on the article

      “KAUFMAN: ….. Trump is doing well for one reason. He understands the climate and the culture of America today better than anybody at this table.”

      This guy realizes that DT is onto something that he as a professional political accessory can’t equal. He’s saying essentially “Trump understands my business better than I do”.

  43. Trump can not make America great again. Trump is a billionaire because he has mastered crony capitalism, not free market capitalism.

    Trump wants his own version of big government.

    Trump says anything that is beneficial to his goals at the moment in time that he says it. Which means what he says will always be changing to fit his current wants and needs.

    Trump’s next book should be titled “The Art of BS.”

    We can not have a thin-skinned, hot headed, narcissistic, megalomaniac in charge of our military, foreign policy and nuclear codes.

    Our constitutional republic would be truly tested by a Trump presidency.

    Choose limited federal government. Stop making millionaires out of our politicians and lobbyists. Stop increasing the power of connected corporations.

      1. Uh? What does Obama have to do with anything? Both can be bad.

    1. Yeah, Trump with the nuke codes is ridiculous. Also, Trump hearts the police state big time. Really, really big time.

      There’s absolutely nothing libertarian about him.

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    …and Hitlery supporters are just as totalitarian as Hitler and Comrade Bernie supporters are just as totalitarian as Stalin.
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