Students, Teachers at Calif. School Think an Anti-Gay Sticker Can Bully People
Your rights end where their feelings begin.


It seems that a group of students in schools in Indio, a desert community in Southern California, have decided to register their objection to gay issues or gay people or all things gay by wearing a sticker with a rainbow crossed out with the international red "No" symbol.
This has resulted in complaints and news stories, obviously. The CBS affiliate in Los Angeles will immediately make anybody who grasps the First Amendment sigh sadly with a headline and lede that asks, "Hate speech of free speech?"
These are, at least in the United States, at least for the time being, the same thing. Hate speech is free speech.
The good news is that school administrators made the correct choice: The anti-gay kids can keep their stickers. Of course, they made sure to consult with their legal folks to have the First Amendment explained to them. From CBS Los Angeles:
In an email sent to staff Wednesday, Desert Sands Unified School District administrators wrote, "After consulting with district level personnel and our legal counsel, it was determined that these students do have the protected right to freedom of speech, just as students portraying rainbows in support of the LGBT would."
The school district said that if the stickers led to actual verbal or physical harassment, that would be going too far.
"Every person can have an opinion, but if there's harassment or bullying then it does cross the line," DSUSD Assistant Superintendent Laura Fisher told KESQ.
School districts have broad (arguably too broad) authority to censor speech in schools under a Supreme Court decision if the officials can prove that speech, whether verbal or symbolic, is disruptive to the education process. Schools have attempted to use this decision in the past to try to intervene and block representation of both gay-supportive speech and anti-gay speech in schools. The American Civil Liberties Union has separately defended students on both sides of the debate.
The bad news is the absolutely sorry grasp of free speech by both students and at least one teacher at Shadow Hills High School. According to teacher David Parsons, apparently speech becomes bullying and harassment once a person who doesn't agree with it is exposed to it (via KESQ in Palm Springs):
Teachers at Shadow Hills tell us they believe it crossed the line.
"When someone takes a sticker and puts it in front of the face in front of somebody else, then that bounces from the realm of free speech into harassment or bullying," said Parsons.
In case you're wondering where on earth college students are getting such absurd and inaccurate conceptions of what free speech actually is, there you go.
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I consider those stickers anti-hippie. Which is entirely acceptable.
Or anti-Lucky Charms?
Pro-spectrum.
More likely: kids give a shit about homosexuality, or they like rainbows?
That dirty mick, taking food out of the mouths of hungry protestant children.
They're after me Strawberry Smiggles!
Who could be against Lucky Charms!? They're magically delicious!
THE REFRACTION OF LIGHT IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!
How do we know the stickers aren't just anti-prism?
Only weak-minded fools hate Pink Floyd.
Anti-Rainbow Coalition
In which case, I approve heartily
"The school district said that if the stickers led to actual verbal or physical harassment, that would be going too far."
Then the problem isn't the stickers, is it?
Beware the phrase, "Contributed to a culture of....."
Yep. And even when the verbal and physical harassment starts because an anti-anti-gay kid rips the sticker off an anti-gay kid, the anti-gay kid will still be at fault for his "bullying".
Can't we all just get along... by calling each other dumbasses and getting on with our lives.
Quit being such a fag.
Why not do an anti-anti-gay sticker? Basically, that one, underneath a bigger circle/slash.
Would anyone say that was "bullying" the socons?
My thought as well. Or do one with a series of circles and slashes, so that people have to count them to understand the true message. "Let's see, it's anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-gay, so that means, uuuhhh...."
+1 f(f(f(x)))
An awful lot of punk rock fans are guilty of bullying Christian students with their concert T-shirts and pins.
It reminds me of one of the more juvenile jokes by some of my fellow pagans (although, I still do get a kick out of it):
"Your god was nailed to a cross.
My god carries a hammer."
It's almost as if every form of expression is now bullying or something.
Help! Help! I'm being micro-aggressed!
No, they'd still think you were bullying gay people. Do you really think they'd have the ability to get that kind of nuance?
Seeing as Christian talking heads have said that "We don't discriminate" stickers are anti-Christian bullying and attacks on their Freedom of Speech, yes, someone would have said that was "bullying" the socons. Probably Todd Starnes.
Todd "You chuckleheads won't be laughing when marijuana causes bodies to pile up on every street corner" Starnes is an American hero. Bite your tongue.
I suspect they'll say "that's different! That's 'punching up' which is not bullying!"
Apparently it works both ways: free speech is also, by definition, hate speech.
Now you're getting it! Welcome to the safe space!
I've actually heard SJW's claim that some minority was 'oppressed' by someone else's "free speech".
I'd be curious to hear what their ideal world would look like, if free speech was limited how they want. I imagine there's some wishful thinking about unicorns and sunshine, and probably no mention of the re-education camps they would likely institute.
The teacher in question.
For someone teaching language/linguistics(?), he sure does need some education in the Law.
And he needs some fashion sense. Ugh, that tie!
It pleases me that there is a gay libertarian reporting stories like this.
I didn't even notice Scott wrote the piece until you mentioned it, but AFAIK, he tends to be libertarian regardless of the issue.
I guess the fact of Scott's gaiety never penetrated my adamatium armor of apathy.
""a group of students""
There's your problem
"When someone takes a sticker and puts it in front of the face in front of somebody else, then that bounces from the realm of free speech into harassment or bullying," said Parsons."
'Puts it in the face of someone'? WIH would that mean?
Parsons is full of shit.
Free speech is only supposed to take place in government approved locations and with proper licensing. Otherwise, someone might stumble upon your free speech without warning and it might hurt their feelings, as it happened in this case.
So all those people with bumper stickers that annoy me are bullying me. Good to know.
Obviously, the guy with the sticker aggressively backed over another student and left his car there, with only the student's head sticking out from underneath the back bumper directly under the sticker.
Hey, when someone who's pro-gay-awesomeness puts it in someone else's face, that's also bullying, right?
... right?
Or, it only works one way?
Yes. But it's the pro-gay-awesomeness person who is being bullied by the very fact that someone is not pro-gay-awesomeness.
OT: I used to think Sean Hannity was nuts because, every 4 years, he said, "this is the most important election in history!"
But then I read Krugman today and he says, "But even if there's a stunning upset in what's left of the primaries, we already know very well what will be at stake ? namely, the fate of the planet."
The fate of the planet!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02.....eft-region
So... Obama didn't stop the sea levels from rising start the planet healing? That would be news to him.
Shorter Krugman: Suck it up and vote for Clinton
*didn't even read the article*
Not clicking, but global warming?
If we elect Trump, he is the one most likely to launch a full scale nuclear strike on ISIS and Gaza. And we all know how a full scale nuclear war will affect the climate...
Wouldn't a nuclear winter solve that global warming problem they've been braying about the last several years?
It sure would. Carl Sagan proved it.
Roy G. Biv haters gonna hate.
That sucker owes me $20. If you see him, you let him know he better have my cash or he's going be crawling home.
And what word would Parsons reserve for words spoken in front of a room of people who are physically restrained from leaving and who can be assaulted and imprisoned for failing to respond to the speaker as he desires?
Infantry School - Basic Combat Training?
You already know the answer to that one, nicole.
"An easy paycheck"?
THATS THREE WORDS
The Republican convention? The Democratic convention?
Well, he got to use three words (harrassment or bullying).
"'When someone takes a sticker and puts it in front of the face in front of somebody else, then that bounces from the realm of free speech into harassment or bullying,' said Parsons."
Thank the All-Glorious!! Finally, a precedent to shut down all those assholes who flood my facebook with political opinions. They're clearly bullying me. Oh, and I will no longer need to turn on my ad-blocker around political election season, as I need not fear advertisers bullying me.
((Also this standard means having a Rainbow Flag is bullying conservative Christians, and that pretty much no one can express anything. Huzzah!!))
"When someone is openly gay and puts their lifestyle in front of the face in front of somebody else, then that bounces from the realm of free speech into harassment or bullying," said Parsons.
Go on. Make their argument for them, dumbass.
Is it still free speech when you just want to use the restroom and someone's lifestyle protrudes through the hole in the stall partition?
it's an easy paycheck!
"When someone takes a sticker and puts it in front of the face in front of somebody else says something that makes me uncomfortable, then that bounces from the realm of free speech into harassment or bullying,"
What it really means.
I generally don't have a problem with K-12 schools having some latitude to censor speech they determine to be detrimental to the educational environment of the school.
As long as it censoring speech YOU don't agree with. Amiright?
In all seriousness, public schools have to be content neutral. One kid wants to put rainbows on their folders, another kid gets to put "no rainbows" on theirs. It is one thing to punish the conduct of the kids. Or obviously, if a kid is using "free speech" as an excuse to disrupt the teacher.
Nope, I generally go with "in loco parentis" and let the school handle things even when sometimes I don't agree with everything they do. I'm not ever gonna be down at my kids school micromanaging how they run things.
I also remember what I was like at school.
When it comes to allowing or disallowing political messages, that's certainly how it should be. But there's still a lot of difficulty there. As usual, the problem comes down to the existence of government run schools.
"news stories" shoulda been in quotes
That is one of the many reasons Scott is one of the best writers on this site.
I've never been impressed with any of the Crunch offerings.
This is the Cap's best work.
Cause you have to build up three more layers of tissue on your palate.