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Marco Rubio Scored a Big Hit on Trump By Making Him Look Foolish About Obamacare

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Donald Trump has led the GOP field by appearing strong. Will moments of weakness in last night's GOP debate be his undoing? 

There were exchanges in last night's Republican presidential showdown in which Donald Trump seemed to take as much heat as he delivered, and even, on occasion, to come out on the losing end of a squabble. The biggest and most important of those moments tonight involved Trump's answer to a question about health care.

Trump responded, as he often does, by saying that he would repeal and replace the president's health care law, and that "we have to get rid of the lines around the states"—which seems to be a weird way of saying that he would allow the purchase of health care across state lines, although it's not clear that Trump actually knows this is what it's supposed to mean.

Marco Rubio interjected to say, correctly, that Trump clearly has no idea what he's talking about on the topic, and that he has no real plan to replace health care.

The two then went back and forth for a little while, with Rubio talking up his sketch of a replacement plan, and pressing Trump to provide more specifics. Trump, of course, has no specifics, and so could offer none, but he came back at Rubio for having a "meltdown two weeks ago with Chris Christie," referring to a moment in which Rubio repeated himself over and over again during a heated exchange with the New Jersey governor. His response, essentially, was to ignore the question and portray Rubio as weak. 

And then the two sparred and interrupted each other and crosstalked some more, with Trump repeatedly going back to his line about removing the "lines," until finally it came down to this:

TRUMP: … You get rid of the lines, it brings in competition. So, instead of having one insurance company taking care of New York, or Texas, you'll have many. They'll compete, and it'll be a beautiful thing.

RUBIO: Alright…

(APPLAUSE)

RUBIO: So, that's the only part of the plan? Just the lines?

BASH: (inaudible)

TRUMP: The nice part of the plan—you'll have many different plans. You'll have competition, you'll have so many different plans.

RUBIO: Now he's repeating himself.

TRUMP: No, no, no.

(LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) (CHEERING)

In this moment, Rubio landed perhaps the biggest blow of the night—not because he had demonstrated that Trump knew nothing about health care policy (which is true, but irrelevant), but because he had made Trump, the domineering dealmaker, look like a buffoon, as weak and repetitive as the opponent he'd attacked just moments earlier. 

The question is whether this moment will matter to Trump's supporters, and if so, whether it will matter enough to stop him from winning the nomination. Trump, who has won three state nominating contests already, is the frontrunner and the most likely winner of the GOP nomination, leading Rubio, who has yet to win a single state primary, nationally and also in his home state of Florida.

I don't pretend to know the answer, and if I had to guess, I would say that it probably won't matter much at all. Perhaps it is simply too late. Perhaps more of these moments earlier in the primary would not have mattered either. Trump's success is so unusual that it is difficult to know. 

But if any debate moments might still make a difference at this point, it will be moments like this one, which make Trump look not only unprepared to be president, but like a stuttering fool who cannot even stand up to the likes of Marco Rubio. 

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  1. …he had made Trump, the domineering dealmaker, look like a buffoon, as weak and repetitive as the opponent he’d attacked just moments earlier.

    IT DOESN’T MATTER.

    1. Rubio has not ability to think apart from what his handlers and donors want him to say, he even stole christies truism about him. He’s the type of guy that when he walks up to you you know he’s going to try to screw you out of something.

      “A con artist is about to take over the Republican Party and the conservative movement, and we have to put a stop to it,” Rubio charged on CBS’ “This Morning.”

      Sorry rubes, the true con artist is even behind in his own state of fla.

      1. “He’s the type of guy that when he walks up to you you know he’s going to try to screw you out of something.”

        This describes Trump even more than Rubio.

    2. Pretty much. Trump is winning because he isn’t a Republican, which is something none of the other candidates can claim.

      1. As if one should be proud to be connected to this group of republicans. Laura Ingram makes a great point, trump should ask rubio what his donors are expecting in return for their money.

        1. Maybe someone should ask Trump what Hillary promised him for running.

        2. I want to see what’s in trumps Tax Returns.

  2. You just KNOW that’s all Fox news will be talking about all day. I think I’ll pass.

    1. Kelly must have juices flowing from every part of her body after last night.

  3. Get government out of the health insurance business as much as possible. Limit them to limited regulations and financial support for health insurance to those who need it.

    Government is about half the health insurance market with Medicare, Medicaid and the VA.

    Obamacare, Medicaid, Medicare and VA hospitals should be phased out. People under these programs and those who are financially below the poverty level should be given a yearly amount that they could use to purchase health insurance.

    Keep the federal regulation stating that insurance companies have to cover pre-existing conditions as long as the person had previous insurance.
    Allow people to purchase insurance from any state. Deregulate state health insurance markets. Unhinge medical insurance from employers in the tax code.

    Getting government out and increasing competition in this way will lower health insurance costs. It cuts the bureaucracy costs, cuts the fraud costs and improves competition and quality of care.

    Why not do financial assistance for health insurance the same way we do financial assistance for food?

    1. Newsletter have you one, sir?

    2. It’s the concept of health insurance itself, and government’s involvement in managing healthcare costs via Medicare, that has so thoroughly fucked the market in the first place.

  4. I DIDUNT LIKE TURP UTIL U REASIN WRIT BAD TTHING ABOT HIM U XOSMOS NOW I VOTE TRUPM

    1. WHYCOME REEZIN FAGGOTS DONT WRIT BAD TTHING BOUT HILLRY????

      1. THEM VOAT 4 OMBAAM

        1. Did I hear an echo? Of course I did.

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    2. VOTE TURP FOR 3WAY IRRIGAYSHUN

  5. Trump always looks like a stuttering buffoon. I had assumed that was something his supporters liked about him.

    1. ME LIKE TRUMP. TRUMP TALK IN WAYS ME UNDERSTAND UNLIKE DEM MESSICAN-LUVN FAGS.

      1. Okay Grand Moff, I laughed way to hard and way to long at this.

        Well played sir, well played.

    2. He really does. He’s like the guy who walks into a meeting with having read any of the reports or emails that hwent around for the past month – then proceeds to tell everyone what’s going on.

      We always called it “travelling lite” – pretending to be knowledgeable about stuff while being completely ignorant. Used to have an HR Director who was fantastic at it. Got great ideas off the business books without ever actually reading them.

    3. He comes off as like Rain Man for the masses. He didn’t do much in the debate except repeat his slogans over and over, no matter what was said by his opponents. That, and throw a couple of insults—Rubio can’t balance his checkbook, nobody likes Cruz, etc…

      Guess that’s what people want this time around.

      This election is so much like 2008, it’s aggravating. Maybe Scott Adams has a point about the whole Wizard thing?

      1. IDI OKRA SEE

      2. I thought “tall with good hair” was Scott Adams.

  6. Hahahaha, it’s cute that pundits still think Trump’s supporters give a shit about anything other than voting for him. He’s going to win and it’s going to be uuuuugggeeee.

    1. He could go on TV and shoot his mouth off, and people would still vote for him!

    2. He could go on TV and shoot his mouth off, and people would still vote for him!

      1. Fucking Fox squirrels.

        1. BOW BEFORE THE STUTTERING TREE RATS!

  7. I wonder if Trump’s shtick will run its course.

    1. As Marco would say — eventually.

    2. Another 2 months and it won’t matter. Then it’s Trump against one of the Dem clowns.

    3. I hope this election prediction is on par with the accuracy of climate change models.

    4. Rufus, I think it will. About a year and a half from now.

      How long did it take the glow to start to fade from Obama’s halo? Middle of 2009? I think we’re looking at something similar with Trump.

      It’s going to be interesting, that’s for damned sure.

  8. If things don’t work out for Cruz he should audition for Vampire roles.

    1. Like in “Unnatural Born Citizen”.

      1. The one candidate brave enough to publically call for a wall between the border between America and Transylvania is secretly a vampire!

        TED CRUZ in Unnatural Born Citizen

  9. So much for my Trump/Rubio 2016 idea.

    Maybe Donald really is going to run with Oprah.

    1. That would be UUUGGEE! Well, at least before Weight Watchers.

    2. They should re-enact a scene from ‘The Color People’.

      1. Purple.

        Wtf?

        1. It was better the first way. More… Irish.

        2. I want to get on Oprah’s book club. I want that sticker from the book club. I want to get on that show, and I want to ask her About that scene in Beloved where she squats and pees. How many takes did she do? Was she method?

          1. *regrets having breakfast*

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    3. Don’t you people get it? Don’t you understand? Haven’t you figured it out yet? It doesn’t matter. Nothing matters. Trump could pick himself for a running mate. Everyone could tell him it’s not possible and he could do it anyway and still get votes.

      This is Obama 2.0. His base are the new Obamabots with even less information and shame.

      1. CARD BOARD DONALD VP!

      2. He may be a Trump, but he’s *our* Trump.

      3. Nailed it. Shades of ’08.

      4. I dunno, Obama was largely driven by optimistic true believers. Trump has some of those, to be sure, but I think a good bit of his support is out of nihilistic despair or simple hate for the political class, from people that would pick SMOD if it was actually on the ballot. Obama was all about WE WIN, Trump is all about YOU LOSE.

    4. She’d be perfect for this day and age. She can cry on cue, so our Official Funeral Representative can properly emote about the great loss of the Czech President, Togo Prime Minister, or whatever dignitary the U.S. has to show up for.

      Her TV show is ideal for how it seems we want to be governed these days: a few minutes to bitch, some pseudo-hard questions from the boss, a slew of fake sympathy and understanding, and lots and lots of prizes for everybody.

      “You get a government program! You get a program! You get a program! Everyone in the audience gets a program!” [Massive cheers from crowd]

      I’m convincing myself of it, the more I type.

    5. If he does color this contest over.

  10. Superman sucks. I don’t care who makes who look like a fool. Which candidate will cut government and open competition? Trump wants to repeal Obamacare and open up competition. He will not be King Trump so the details will be ironed out by aides and congress critters until another abomination takes the place if Obamacare.

    1. Damn spell checker, that should read Suderman, not Superman!

      1. It’s accurate both ways. Superman does suck.

    2. Trump wants to repeal Obamacare and open up competition.

      Between several gov’t agencies at that

    3. All I know is all that money and he couldn’t get better plugs to make his hair look more natural?

      That thing is alive I’m convinced. It’s its own entity as SF so, er, eloquently describes.

    4. I read that as “another obama nation”.

  11. The question is whether this moment will matter to Trump’s supporters

    Were you giggling hysterically when you wrote that line?

    1. I’d give odds, “yes”.

    2. Some men only want to see the world Trump.

  12. I can’t believe I’m saying this but…do we really need another detailed and nuanced healthcare policy? Getting rid of barriers to competition and then getting out of the way — which I’ll admit is a very generous way of reading Trump’s statements, but is one possible way — is actually the best approach.

    1. Yes. The only way to correct the failures of an overly complex law is another overly complex law. It’s called progress.

      1. How else will the McSudermans of the world feel important?

  13. Matter is alluvium dribbling through my tentacles. You can’t shellac that clastic shit onto the turgid vapors of this society. The confounding paint of pebbles would fall through and onto the forever of abyss- lost to infinity for even these fucking sentences. That, sir, is how much this thing matters.

    1. *snaps fingers*

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  15. Isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? So, does that include voting for the same establishment types over and over again and expecting the same results?

  16. Trump has a 97% chance of becoming president.

    1. I should have scrolled down before I posted! My apologies.

  17. I think I’m voting for Trump now out of spite….for Chris Cuomo. What a smug bastard. Anybody see the Trump/ Cuomo interview after the debate?

  18. The thing about Trump. He’s a demagogue; the more you attack him, the more his supporters circle the wagons.

  19. Suderman – Trump’s not a top man, he has no plan

    And that’s bad because..?

  20. what we really really need someone to do is grab america by the lapels and scream (explain) at us that birth control (for example) is not the point. maybe i should just start a business where i take half of your income and only let you use it for expenses directly related to your own body? theres nothing wrong with that idea, it’s just not what insurance is, but apparently there is a demand for it.

    1. if that idea sounds dumb it’s because it is dumb. doesnt mean there’s no demand for it, and it would be preferable if we could stop messing with people’s plans for getting hit by a car for the benefit of people who arent mature enough to make the decisions they know are in their own best interests.

  21. The idea of Trump making a speech to the UN is amusing to me. Nonbinding claptrap fits right in there.

  22. I hate Trump, but I really fucking hate Rubio.

    One is a Big Government Con Artist who will waste billions of tax dollars on failed government ventures both at home and abroad. And the other is Donald Trump. Fuck, I’m actually rooting for Donald fucking Trump. Fuck!

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  25. Trump may be a jerk, but he’s right about competition and unhindering the insurance markets.

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  27. Divorce this from the people speaking it, & it’s sad but true: The libertarian answer to bad service, high prices, lack of choice, etc. in any field is, “Let them compete.” “But that’s not a plan. What’s your plan?” The problem is that people don’t accept laissez faire as a problem solution; they want specific directions, even if they’re wrong.

  28. His response, essentially, was to ignore the question and portray Rubio as weak.

    He changed the subject to a personal attack.

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  63. “Erasing lines between the states” is popular across the right … which shows how totally dumbass our “leaders” are.

    Selling across state line is, like Medicare vouchers, the wrong fucking market. They would increase competition among insurance companies. This makes even the libertarian establishment confused between coverage and treatment — just like the hared progs.

    How stupid is it? It’s like believing we can influence car prices and/or quality with more competition between Allstate and Geico. THAT stupid. Today, even the libertarian movement is motivated by “free market” slogans and soundbites alone.

    Hysterically, the political right is incensed that Obama acts like an emperor, ignoring the constitution. BUT is inspired by Trump and Cruz who claim they can repeal laws and programs entirely on their own. Libertarian moment, or liberty’s darkest hours?

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