Local Cops Consider Not Showing Them Your Drivers License a "Very Real…Threat" to the People
Absurdly pants-wetting local news report from KREM Channel 2 in Washington state touching on the "sovereign citizens" movement, or "free travelers" as this story labels them.
These are people who believe, for a variety of arcane reasons, that most government authority as currently constituted is phony and does not lawfully require obedience, with a side element being that one should be free to drive a motor vehicle without being licensed by the state. (The Libertarian Party's 2004 candidate Michael Badnarik shared this belief in freedom of movement minus state-issued licenses.)
There have been instances, rare ones, in which (usually police initiated) encounters between the law and a sovereign citizen believer turn violent, but this story doesn't say anything about that.
No, it is entirely based on the alleged threat to police and public caused by people merely non-violently refusing to comply with a demand to see a license:
When a deputy tried to pull over a man in Spokane Valley near Argonne and Mission, he refused to give the deputy his name and claimed he did not need a driver's license……
In 2012, two men claiming to be sovereign citizens caused a three-hour standoff with law enforcement when they refused to get out of their truck after being pulled over. The SWAT team and even Sheriff Knezovich himself were called in, and deputies eventually had to cut their seat belts and pull them out of the vehicle.
"These can be very dangerous confrontations," Knezovich said.
It is an issue law enforcement said they are keeping a close eye on because they said the threat these people pose is a very real one.
Now, there may be some larger reason to officers to feel threatened by "sovereign citizens". Some think so. Jesse Walker reported last year on the (not very warranted, on balance) law enforcement panic over the sovereign citizen movement in a Homeland Security report. As Walker concluded:
The document declares on its first page that most sovereign citizens are nonviolent, and that it will focus only on the violent fringe within a fringe—the people it calls "sovereign citizen extremists," or SCEs. It describes their violence as "sporadic," and it does not expect its rate to rise, predicting instead that the violence will stay "at the same sporadic level" in 2015. The author or authors add that most of the violence consists of "unplanned, reactive" clashes with police officers, not preplanned attacks.
But this story doesn't even try to begin to make the case, quite literally explaining that the very act of refusing to show a drivers license or get out of one's car when ordered is a "very real….threat."
It may be to an officers' tinpot authority. But as to why any local news watching citizen should be worried about it, the case isn't really made.
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There's always a few in any group.
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You mean inside her blouse?
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You watch your mouth. Even here amongst rabid free speech advocates there is a limit.
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Is it true twerking started as chick trying to snap off a stubborn yam?
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An old woman? See, the cordax was the original ex lax.
Which presidential candidate is the most Dionysian? Which is the most Apollonian?
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I appreciate the vote of confidence.
hypnotic
But as to why any local news watching citizen should be worried about it, the case isn't really made.
Would you be more worried about a deadly common household item you may have right in your house at this very moment that we'll tell you what it is on the 11:00 Eyewitness News?
A new threat to the children and it's you.Up next after the break.
Hannibal Lecter-Obsessed Polish Librarian Sought for the Beheading of a Woman With a Samurai Sword, Setting Her Remains on Fire
I'm shocked. A male librarian!
TIWTANML!
I'm shocked. A literate Pollock!
(I kid, I kid; I'm Polish, although not very literate)
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smothered in butter and sauteed onions
An armed brigade made up entirely of former Yazidi sex slaves has joined ranks with the Kurdish Peshmerga to take back Mosul from Isis and "bring our women home".
They won't want to be captured by those women,best eat a bullet.
Kill them all, Sun Ladies.
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Sun Ladies, may the most vengeful, old testament god be on your side.
Of course these people are a very real threat to people. If other people start to get ideas that you don't have to obey a police officer's commands merely because he's an LEO, why, CHAOS would reign. CHAOS, I tell you! We can't have people believing in dangerous ideas like that.
...with a side element being that one should be free to drive a motor vehicle without being licensed by the state.
But that certification is the only thing standing between an orderly commute to work and Mad Max: Fury Road.
With the new EPA regs how could you build a mean buggy?
Charlize doesn't need a license to drive my car.
It is terrifying. I am glad the state is here to protect me.
Dude kills and decapitates grandparents at their daycare while kids there. Wtf?
http://m.newsok.com/article/5478002
This threads just full of good news.
If only the station could have been KROM (I know, I know).
A sovereign citizen is a one-person state. It's understandable they would be afraid, considering how states tend to conduct themselves.
Nothing more threatening than citizens sitting in a truck.
Quick! Call the SWAT team! We've got to spend more money for nothing!
"I wish I could show it officer, but I left my wallet..."
BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM tinkle clink clink...
Into mic: "Shots fired, I need backup! Libertarian extremist... Justified shooting in progress..."
BLAM BLAM BLAM clink tinkle drip drip drip...
"...the threat these people pose is a very real one."
I think the cops could easily defuse these attitudes and situations by not escalating things, dealing with these people like they did in Oregon.
That would've been great. Just wait the idiots out. The siege worked pretty well in the past.
Ain't it amazing when the Feds think it's credible that people could actually shoot them back how restrained they become. It's almost as if this 2nd Amendment thing had legs.
Can we just cut the shit and have the cops and govt tell us what we can do?
You can do whatever you want. Just don't be surprised if you get shot or arrested for doing it. What fun is power if its not Arbitrary.
Madeleine Albright takes to the New York Times to discuss her "special place in Hell" remark.
She actually meant to say that Sanders' supporters should be fed into a woodchipper.
No, not really.
"I absolutely believe what I said, that women should help one another, but this was the wrong context and the wrong time to use that line. I did not mean to argue that women should support a particular candidate based solely on gender. But I understand that I came across as condemning those who disagree with my political preferences....
"...In a society where women often feel pressured to tear one another down, our saving grace lies in our willingness to lift one another up. And while young women may not want to hear anything more from this aging feminist, I feel it is important to speak to women coming of age at a time when a viable female presidential candidate, once inconceivable, is a reality....
"The battle for gender equality is still being waged, and it will be easier if we have a woman who prioritizes these issues in the Oval Office and if the gender balance among elected officials reflects that of our country. When women are empowered to make decisions, society benefits. They will raise issues, pass bills and put money into projects that men might overlook or oppose."
I'll bite, Maddy.
Name one such issue, bill, or project.
Free tampoons
Prohibition?
It's inconceivable to that shriveled old bitch that young feminists might prefer an old geezer who mouths the right words over a slender hope for a pledge of vagina solidarity from a corrupt liar with a decades-long track record of actually throwing women under the political and legal bus if they impede her way to pelf and power.
I missed something... did Albright marry a former prez too?
but what she did is tear other women down, by saying they'd go to Hell if they didn't act the way she instructed
Paging Preet!
http://registerguard.com/rg/ne.....e.html.csp
When will common sense chipper laws be passed?
Arborist is like 10 times more dangerous than being a cop.
Note to self. Remove safety bar first.
I knew a kid who got "chipped".
Not a pretty sight.
OT:
We have nuns handing out food to bums, and the landlord wants to get market rate rents for the kitchen; boo, fucking hoo! The RCC is one of the richest organizations in the world, according to most accounts, and they have zip to say about the issue.
So now we have the noted flake Tony Robbins flying in to white-knight the operation, handing them $25K while leaving the landlord on the hook for the existing rent.
I'm sure he feels just wonderful about himself! And the comment from the amazingly wealthy RCC?
Uh, yeah. what was that comment? Well the leader of this organization is meeting with what is likely an equally wealthy fantasy group in a third-world country to, uh, try to get their superstitions on the same page. 'Cause that's IMPORTANT! http://news.yahoo.com/pope-arr.....02789.html
Between T. Robbins, the funny-hatted old men of both superstitions, and the nuns who buy that crap, it's hard to find anyone worthy of more than a Bronx cheer.
"the funny-hatted old men of both superstitions"
I've had about enough of your hat speech, young man.
God wants you to wear a hat
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Based on this article, I'd say the world needs more flakes:
"[Robbins] was poor as a child and homeless as a teenager, and he likes to tell the story of how profoundly it touched him when a stranger once gave his hungry family a basket of food.
"After he struck it big, Robbins created a personal foundation, and among other things, it gives clothing and food to the poor. It serves 2 million people in need every year around the world, and Robbins and his wife match that to reach 4 million total....
""The owner of the building is a businessman, and it's his business ? I understand that," Robbins said. "So instead of putting everyone at conflict, he needed to have a way out. It's a model of how to do things. Everyone wins."
"Patel's lawyer, Michael Heath, said he was "very glad" there was a tentative resolution to the conflict...More details on the agreement will be worked out in the coming week...
"Robbins' check was a first step toward resolution, he explained to the nuns ? but he also told them it was just phase one of a business plan. The next step, he said, is to find a more permanent place. The third is to market their pastries to get a steadier income."
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"Based on this article, I'd say the world needs more flakes:"
I'm sure you would; he peddles bullshit almost as well as the RCC. But he doesn't make nearly as much money off the shoveling.
To think, when a flaky person donates this much to charity, imagine how much a *non*-flaky person must be capable of doing!
OT:
Anybody help a brother out?
Didn't Christie just drop out of the Presidential race?
Bad timing, now Christie has no incentive to issue a pardon and thereby look like he cares about gun rights.
Maybe Christie will help him.......lol
You don't have to live in NH to vote in NH
http://hotair.com/archives/201.....hampshire/
Why should you suffer discrimination just because of where you live, you residence-ist?
I like to disinfranchise non-residents. It's what I do.
I'm clearly an amateur at othering though. What is it about Missouri?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016.....rrest.html
So who's initiating the violence?
From their point of view, failure to obey is an initiation of violence. After all, once in a great while someone who fails to obey eventually initiates violence on a cop. Therefore anyone who fails to immediately and unquestioningly obey is one of those people. It's basic logic: Some X is Y, therefore all X is Y. You need double digit IQ to understand. If you're any smarter, than you're too stupid to be a cop.
This all stems from the commonly held myth that the job of law enforcement officers is to enforce the law. That is not their job. Their job is to force people to do as they are told. Doesn't matter if the order is lawful or not. They can order you to strip off your clothes and do jumping jacks in the street, and they will be found justified in killing you if you fail to obey. Because that is their job. We are their servants. Don't believe me? Try it. Disobey a cop. You will be beaten for sure, and if you defend yourself from their aggression you may be killed.
Come and see the violence inherent in the sovereign citizen. Help! Help! I'm in fear for my life!
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