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Utah Fusion Center Warns Cops: Watch Out for Don't-Tread-on-Me Flags

With LaVoy Finicum's funeral being held today, Utah police are on the lookout for "armed extremists." What sort of advice are they getting?

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Funeral services will be held today in Kanab, Utah, for LaVoy Finicum, the rancher killed last month during the occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. In a bulletin distributed this week to cops across the region, the Utah Statewide Information and Analysis Center—one of the dozens of intelligence-sharing "fusion centers" around the country that get funds from the Department of Homeland Security—warns that "extremists may utilize such a high profile funeral for media attention or to further ideological beliefs." Although "no credible threats to law enforcement are present at this time," the authors still think police should be wary: "Caravans of individuals traveling to the funeral services may be comprised of one or more armed extremists. Law enforcement should remain vigilant and aware that confrontation with these potentially volatile persons, may include more than one individual. These individuals may adhere to a sovereign citizen ideology, and may not recognize law enforcement as a legitimate authority."

The report includes several "visual indicators" to help police determine whether they're dealing with "extremist and disaffected individuals." These range from images associated with specific political groups, such as the Oath Keepers and Three Percenters, to a more generic patriotic symbol, the Gadsden flag—a famous Revolutionary War banner featuring a coiled rattlesnake and the slogan "Don't Tread on Me." One of the "indicators" is a slightly altered version of a picture popular with fans of the Grateful Dead; the guide does not note this potential source of confusion, describing it only as "common sovereign citizen imagery."

Utah Statewide Information and Analysis Center
Utah Statewide Information and Analysis Center

Although "some or parts of these symbols are representative of patriotic and American revolutionary themes," the report says, "they are often associated with extremism." There is little effort to apply even that much nuance to the individual symbols. The Gadsden flag is associated with several political movements, such as the Tea Party protests; it has also been adapted by apolitical subcultures, such as the fans of U.S. Soccer. But the bulletin simply declares that it is "commonly displayed by sovereign citizen extremists."

One private-sector security professional who received the bulletin worries that it could lead to a kind of profiling. "I work with a young man, 24 years old, three associate's degrees, volunteer fire fighter, dreams of becoming a police officer," he says. "He's also an Armenian-Russian immigrant who just earned his American citizenship. He sports a Gadsden flag on his car because of what it represents in our country's history." If a cop sees that car today, the security worker worries, the officer's "thoughts will automagically flip to profiling him" as a violent extremist.

Mike German, a former FBI agent who infiltrated far-right groups in the 1990s, has a similar objection. "I always try to look at these alerts from the perspective of the police officer on the street," he says. "What will the officers know after reading this that they didn't before? Here all they know is to be afraid if they see a Gadsden flag, which could result in an unnecessarily hostile encounter that would increase the chances of violence. There's nothing here that would help them correctly identify someone who held these beliefs, understand what might trigger hostile reactions, or how to talk to them in a way that would defuse any unnecessary tension." He also worries that the bulletin "improperly implies holding such beliefs makes them dangerous"; most of the people involved in these movements are nonviolent, he says, and treating them all like budding terrorists just makes a confrontation more likely.

German, who is now based at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, thinks it's "perfectly reasonable for the fusion center to make law enforcement aware of the situation regarding the Oregon standoff and police shooting, and how the upcoming funeral might make those out-of-state events more pertinent to local enforcement needs and officer safety." But he feels the report's approach "is unhelpful because it is overgeneralized in describing a threat and lacking in any useful advice. It seems almost like CYA, so they can say 'we warned 'em' if anything bad happens."

The Statewide Information and Analysis Center has not responded to my requests for comment. To read the full bulletin, go here.

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248 responses to “Utah Fusion Center Warns Cops: Watch Out for Don't-Tread-on-Me Flags

  1. “Funeral services will be held today in Kanab, Utah, for LaVoy Finicum, the rancher killed last month during the occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon…

    … After he pulled a gun on cops.”

    Crazy right-wing extremist verdict? Hero. Of course he is.

    1. .. After he pulled a gun on cops.”

      You mean:
      .. After he reached for his pocket.”

      Funny how leftists can get bent out of shape over one class of citizens killed for “furtive movement” but not others.

      1. Socialists of all stripes salivate at the thought of political murders. It’s in their veins, like theft and failure.

        1. If they didn’t want to die, they shouldn’t have disagreed with me.

        2. And worshiping the government, dismantling the institution of the family, coveting their neighbor’s stuff, lying to advance the narrative, feigning faith to subvert other religions. They sort of follow the anti-10-commandments.

          1. +10, ant1shenes. Well done.

      2. Sorry… I’m factually incorrect. After he ineptly tried to pull a gun on cops. Do you think you have to be an incredible dumbass as an armed extremist to move your hand toward your pocket when cops have guns pulled on you?

        Oh well… like all yeehadists he wanted martyrdom and now he’s got it. He’s probably smiling down on us and playing Russian roulette with Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone as we speak so I don’t feel too bad.

        1. Do you think you have to be an incredible dumbass … to move your hand toward your pocket when cops have guns pulled on you? … I don’t feel too bad

          9/10 just rip the fucking mask off

        2. I find it odd that a soi-disant “pacifist” would be masturbating to snuff porn with such glee, but here you are.

        3. I don’t feel too bad.

          He was wrecker and a kulak and got what he deserved, right comrade! Now, if only we can do something all these other saboteurs!

          Fucking scumbag, I hope you get fucking Lou Gherig’s disease.

        4. After he ineptly tried to pull a gun on cops. Do you think you have to be an incredible dumbass as an armed extremist to move your hand toward your pocket when cops have guns pulled on you?

          I bet he could beat you at chess.

        5. let’s see YOU take a bullet to the left him when you have your hands in the air, and then KEEP THEM THERE as they fire two more rounds into you. He never tried to pull a gun for two reasons. One, HE DID NOT HAVE ONE. The nine mm they “found” in his jacket pocket was a plant…. and was stolen two years ago. I’d like to see taht gun sent to some neutral crime lab, no one knowing where it came from, for a full fingerprint analisis. Any prints seeming to be LaVoy’s will be those of a dead man, different than those of a living one. My bet is there won’t BE any legit prints of his on it. WHY? It was hot his.
          Second, he was smart enough to realise he was so hopelessly outgunned that if he did try and draw the gun he did not have on his person, he’d have five bullets in him before he could ever pull the trigger. Remember, he had just, seconds before, left an earlier roadblock/barricade at which stop he’d had his truck fired upon. He KNEW they had no thought of remaining non-violent.

      3. I can’t tell from the video when he was shot.

        Personally, I think the best explanation is that he was shot while his hands were in the air, and being shot is why he started stumbling and turning, etc.

        Its possible it was deep snow, but when the FBI releases an arguably unedited video in low-def, and later releases an edited video in high-def, and there is no sound, and apparently not a single dash or body cam in that mob of cops, I am highly suspicious.

        1. and there SHOULD be dash and body cam imagery from the OSP, as Kate Brown signed a new law last June or so MANDATING all LEO in Oregon use such technology on the job. Ask HER where that footage is…. every OSP member out there MUST, by law, have had body cam on his person. WHERE are those images? Kate Brown needs to come across with them. Now.

      4. Except that we have clear video of him doing this fool.

        1. how many movies have been made where the cops add items to video to frame someone. If they can digitaly remove shotguns from the ET movie they can just as easily add guns to a video

      5. since there is no audio its also possible that one cop told him to pull his shirt up to reveal any weapons he may have, they do this all the time on the Cops tv show. it serves a dual purpose one it reveals a gun if there and second it gives them cover for shooting since they can claim he made a movement for a gun even though they told him to pull up his shirt..

    2. Mr. One True Libertarian salivates when the State kills his political enemies. A true socialist.

    3. The more conspiracy-minded would say “after the cops shot him in the hip and he put his hand on the wound.”

      1. Yeah, looking at the video you definitely see him reach in his coat several times but it’s not clear whether or not he’s reaching for a weapon. I think it’s not outside the bounds of reason to think that he’d taken a slug when the feds fired on his vehicle and is alternating between staunching the bleeding and putting his hands up on command.

        Here’s what I’ll say. I’m not wild about the occupation at all, but I think the moment that dude left the building without a white flag his number was up. If I’m in a standoff with someone and see him reach, I’m shooting.

        Then again, I don’t try to kidnap people at gunpoint because they’re poaching on the king’s land, so I don’t often find myself in those situations.

        1. If I’m in a standoff with someone and see him reach, I’m shooting.

          And you should go to jail if you do.

          I don’t think any shooting of someone at a distance like that should be permissible unless and until a gun is clearly visible in their hand. That’s the rule that would be applied to vast majority of serfs who shoot someone, after all.

        2. its quite clear from the video that he took a round in the left hip… the guy off to his left fired it. He first reaches down to verify or feel the wound, then clearly points to that cop who just fired on him and hit. Within a second or so the man behind him fires and hits him in the back, he wrenches round to his right to try and see, then the cop off to his new left (further around from the first one who shot him) fires and hits him in the head, at which point he is down. The one who had shot him in the back steps backward a bit, after LaVoy falls, that same cop fires again after he’s on the ground.

          1. Bear in mind the snow there is at least two feet deep, he was alreasy struggling with footing as he tried to draw fire away from his truck, where there were six more people still inside it. After LaVoy went down, cops began firing on the truck, hitting it well over a hundred times. Had the truck not been down in the swale stuck in the snow, it is likely everyone in the truck would have been struck and killed by their insane hail of Bonnie and Clyde bullets. As it was, all but one of the rounds went high, and everyone had piled on the floor to get low… remember, they’d been fired upon at the earlier barricade, whcih is why LaVoy booted it to get away from that hail of fire. It is possible he’d taken a hit there, too. One round was quite likely aimed at him, but, per typical FBI marksmanship, missed. (their record is about 80+% of all rounds fired in a shootout hit… nobody. But this one does not count toward their average, because this was NOT a “shootout”, as NONE of the “occupiers” (patriots) were armed, and none could or did shoot back.

            and no, the nine mm pistol “found” in Finnicum’s jacket pocket was not his… it had been stolen about two years ago,. FBI plant. You KNOW they never do that….. yeah, right.

        3. There wasn’t any stand off, for starters. They were simply squatting at the refuge. The feds were milling around in town miles away. There was no cordon or blockade or anything of that nature. The sheriff come down and talked to them at one point, as did about half the town at some point or other. One guy who did come into town was simply arrested. The ambush took place on the highway almost twenty miles past town the opposite side from the refuge. According to initial reports by the authorities, they were coming to parley, by request of FBI (which are, however, largely inconsistent with verifiable facts at the time).

          As for the occupation generally, I’d much rather have had those folks occupying the Refuge than the Feds doing it. And there’s no question that the Hammonds were taking better care of the land than the BLM does.

        4. The poaching thing is absurd. If they’d wanted to take some game, there’s no need for them to go a-roaming; there’s plenty right on their own land. And if they didn’t want anyone to know about it, with minimal effort NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOW. Hunting restrictions are taken more as rough guidelines therabouts, mainly for sportsmen. People don’t think anything of taking a deer now and then for meat and are quite competent at being unobvious about it. This goes on in town, for fuck’s sake. You can’t say people way out with a huge ranch that are able to make a living ranching it are such bumblers they can’t manage it. And unlike some places, most of the ranchers there do in fact make a living (whilst a few high-on-the-hog’s-back fat cats live it up on stolen treasure in the form of “relief” payments).

    4. We knew you were a closeted eliminationist, AmSoc.

      1. Judging by the second part of his name, there is nothing closeted about it.

      2. What a fucking piece of shit…

        When he heard about the recent arrests and death, Cliven Bundy, who is Ammon Bundy’s father, told Los Angeles Times reporter Matt Pearce, “Isn’t this a wonderful country we live in?” He added, “We believe those federal people shouldn’t even be there in that state, and be in that county and have anything to do with this issue. ? I have some sons and other people there trying to protect our rights and liberties and freedoms, and now we’ve got one killed, and I can say is, he’s sacrificed for a good purpose.”

        1. “What a fucking piece of shit…”

          Let’s talk about Sandy Hook

          1. For once, I agree with amsoc.

            The cop who killed this man is a fucking piece of shit, yes.

        2. What a fucking piece of shit…

          Come on, let’s talk about the Charleston church murders, amsoc.

        3. and Cliven Bundy should know better than nearly all of us. What WAS that ruckus about there in Clark Countyh Nevada a year and more back Wasn’t that about the same BLM working hard to steal HIS land? Just like they’ve been working hard on stealing Hammonds’ land?

          Face it, bozo… if SOMEONE does not stand up to the out of control Feds now, and get them backed down to their constitutioinal limits, WHO will stand up for YOU when they come against whatever YOU do for a living?

          1. AmSoc doesn’t work. He’s a full-time intellectual in charge of leading the revolutionary vanguard, don’tcha know.

    5. Re: American Stultified,

      … After he pulled a gun on cops.”

      If you’re going to lie like a little good red Marxian, lie big. Say “….after he pulled a rocket launcher on cops.”

      1. No, no, “after he pulled out the detonator to the nuclear bomb suicide vest he was wearing.”

      2. Come now, he pulled an ayn rand novel on the cops.

        1. beautiful

    6. Any one who suck on Lenin’s cock is a right wing extremist, according dolts like you.

    7. You mean,

      …After he reflexively moved to grab the place where he’d just been shot.”

      You’re welcome, copsucker – would you like some ketchup, or do you prefer the natural leather flavor when you lick their boots?

    8. no sir, he didnt pull a gun…you didnt see a gun, the guy that shot him in the back didnt see a gun..

    9. you mean “after he reflexively reached down to his left hip after being shot there”. He was unarmed. The nine mm pistol the FBI “found” in his jacket pocket was stolen two years ago. And he had been fired upon back at the first “traffic stop”, his truck taking multiple hits from the ambushers. After he exited his truck, according to those inside it “to draw fire away from his passengers”, hands in the air, he was shot once in the left him as he still held his hands in the air, and was pleading for the safety of those still in his truck. Having been shot, reflex brought that hand down toward his new wound… within a couple seconds he had been shot at least three more times… once in the face, likely the fatal shot. Take a good look at that “dog food quality” video FBI released… I think they were hoping it was so low quality no one would figure out when the first round was fired after he left his truck…. and before he readhed for his left side. He always wore his revolver on his right hip, and sometings in an armpit holster under his jacket. He made NO move to open his coat to access that pisition. He reached down for his HIP. left side,,, where he never carried a gun.
      Further, testimony from one of the people remaining behind at the refuge is that ALL the people who left for John Day that trip had disarmd, leaving ALL their weapons at the refuge.

    10. For what it’s worth, I’ve some experience with folks being attacked by police and for whatever reason there does seem to be a tendency for the victims to reach for a pocket (I’ve little XP with attacks by other classes of person, but offhand I would imagine it is common in any similar situation, regardless if the attackers are peace officers or not.), even when there’s no discernible intention for it. Generally, arsked about it after the fact folks don’t even remember that they had been reaching for a pocket at the time. Presumably, this will be selected against in future generations.

  2. Although “no credible threats to law enforcement are present at this time,”

    we’re going to make up some *incredible* ones.

    1. Incredible, as in more than credible!

      /Ned Nederlander

  3. …or how to talk to them in a way that would defuse any unnecessary tension.

    This guy’s got his priorities all wrong.

  4. I think it’s hilarious they include the oath-keepers in the list.

    1. Anyone who would suggest that their authority is limited must be an extremist.

    2. Especially since a sizable number of them are current or former cops. Look out for yourselves, officers, you can strike at any time!

    3. Anyone who dares to uphold his oath to the Constitution is certainly a terrorist!

      Now, how is this not immediately recognized as doublespeak? They all take an oath, but the ones who actually try to follow it are evil?

    4. It says a lot that most of the movements or groups on the list are dedicated Constitutionalists. Funny how an out-of-control bureaucracy with too much power gets a little shooty when people start implying that it’s an out-of-control bureaucracy with too much power. It’s almost as if you could have predicted something like that happening.

      1. I misjudged the Feds on this game…. I was pretty certain they’d figure out a way to attack at the refuge site. They DID install spy cams giving a good view of that compound. I thought they’d emplace a number of snipers and one by one pick off anyone outside the buildings. I never thought they’d stage an Old Wast style ambushment and try so hard to kill them all. Had LaVoy’s truck not gone off into that draw, well below the road grade, the hundred or so rounds they fired into that truck after they murdered LaVoy would surely have killed most of the remaining passengers in it. As it is, only one man was hit, a relatively minor wound in the shoulder. They wanted them all dead. Now each of them can give testimony as to what heppened.. I’ve already heard that of three of the people who were inside that truck. N one knew what the others had said, because once they were arrested there was no contact. Yet all three of them tell a story that fits together perfectly AND fits what is plainly evident in the video. WHen Kate Brown has the video from all the OSP officers released, I believe we will have a story that does not quite line up with the FIB, I mean, FBI……

  5. See you in the camps, kids!

    1. What kind of clothes should I pack?

      1. Clothes?

      2. If it’s a place like Manzanar, you should be prepared for 100+ degrees in summer, and sub-freezing temperatures in winter. Jeans and a sweatshirt should do ok.

      3. Maybe a Mao suit?

      4. Never mind the clothes. . . they’ll take your clothes before sending you to the “showers’ (Grin grin, wink wink, say no more?).

  6. Although “some or parts of these symbols are representative of patriotic and American revolutionary themes,” the report says, “they are often associated with extremism.”

    Says everything you need to know about America in these times.

    Extremists are the new Patriots.

    1. The old Patriots were called extremists too.

    2. Wait, “American revolutionary themes” aren’t extremism?

      1. Not since about 1780, no.

    3. and so they were in the mid to late 1700’s. One third of the population favoured throwing off the King and his minions. Ten percent DID something about it, and THREE PERCENT actually fought in the war. That three percent are the ones carried the day. Yes, they WERE extremists. Read about those men who signed the Declaration of Independence. King George knew of every one of them, and had given specific orders to his goon squad leaders over here to “take care of them”. Half of them lost their properties, deliberately destroyed BECAUSE the properties were those of the Signers. A third lost their families, businesses, and/or their lives. They KNEW when they signed that document they were painting a hige target on their backs. Read why John Hancock made his signature so large, and right in the centre of the document. He WANTED that slimy king to KNOW he had signed it. He paid…. dearly. This is why the final paragraph states” that to this end “we now therefor pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honour”. They did….

  7. My bet would be that there are more oathkeepers on the police force per capita in Utah than there are anywhere else in the country.

    They’re effectively putting cops on notice to watch out for themselves.

    1. Oath Keepers

      The organization describes itself as a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”[9] The Anti-Defamation League describes the group as “heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government”. [10]

      That pretty much describes our country.

      1. At one time, the ADL was a decent organization. But they are simply a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat party, and is nothing but anti-“anything that smacks of right-wing ideology”.

        1. which is why they scorn and defame and disown their fellow Jews who have formed the JPFO, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership”. The ADL seem to be following the ideaology and methodology of Hitler’s SS…….. the very idealogy against which they first formed.

      2. So the “Anti-Defamation League” has started defaming a group of Constitutionalists. . .

        The fail is strong with them.

  8. Bureaucrats who think “armed extremists” are some guy in a flannel shirt with a legal gun and a Steely Dan sticker. You know what that says to me? That says to me, these people need more power.

    Let’s demand these same bureaucrats have the power to deport or indefinitely detain or assign rights based on whether the bureaucrat thinks you sound like his kinda people. That sounds like a good idea.

    1. Steely Dan?

      Don’t Take Me Alive

      1. I can’t tell if you’re arguing with me, trying to correct me or agreeing with me.

        So, in place of a relevant comment, I bring you kitten and lizard.

        1. The little kid laughing in the background is the best part.

          Why do people keep lizards (snakes, etc) as pets? They don’t do anything!

          1. A college roommate had a bearded lizard. That sucker would eat all the flies and gnats that got into the place because of bad screens. All you had to do was move him around in the sun a few days a month, and he would happily cure any bug problems.

        2. Simply pointing out the connection between Steely Dan and extremism.

          Don’t get me started on Kid Charlemagne!

          1. or Night By Night.

    2. The ones you really have to watch out for are the Lynyrd Skynyrd fans. They don’t even Neil Young around anyhow.

      1. Gimme back my bullets!

    3. How are they supposed to know those guns are legal? Keep your PC bull out of cop’s business.

      1. per our Constitution (JUST in case that crusty old bit of parchment means anything to you any more…..) the defauilt position is if a man has a gun, it is legal until the cop takes the time to PROVE beyond a reasonable dout that it is not.

  9. I am pretty certain the average patrol cop can easily identify a threatening Gasden flag symbol from a non-threatening Gasden flag symbol.

    1. I’m sure the average cop could shoot a Hyundai with a couple of Latinas in it and claim they thought it was a pickup being driven by right-wing extremists.

      1. the LAPD must be populated with “average cops”, then, right?

  10. The Gadsden flag is associated with several political movements, such as the Tea Party protests; it has also been adapted by apolitical subcultures, such as the fans of U.S. Soccer

    Extremists all of them!

  11. “Extreme” is a relative term. And since when is it “extreme” to believe in self-defense, voluntarism, and to want to be left alone? //rhetorical

    1. Anything questioning unlimited government power is, of course, extreme.

    2. I have a lot of issues with our government getting to identify anyone extremist based on their beliefs. To include Muslims. If you aren’t threatening or haven’t conducted an act of violence, the state can fuck off.

    3. Since government.

    4. and to want to be left along

      It is beyond the mental range of most leftists to understand a desire to simply be left alone. They are oblivious to the concept. Their idea of politics centers around dealingmaking: “we get something we want and they get something they want”. That there are those of us who want nothing except to get on with our lives robs them of power to claim a legitimacy for their whims.

      1. It is beyond the mental range of most leftists to understand a desire to simply be left alone.

        You are UNMUTUAL!

  12. Can anyone explain the III% thing?

    1. Three percent of the population instigated/fought/won the Revolutionary War, is where they get it from. I looked it up once, but now I don’t remember if the math bore out.

      1. Huh. That seems low to me, given that total American casualties were about 2.3% of the population.

        1. It’s a magic belief that gives people hope. Is that a better explanation of where people get it from?

          1. Yes.

            I still don’t approve of mixing Roman numerals and a % sign, though. Awful.

            1. III?P?C?

              would probably be more correct but less understandable

            2. and on their calling cards, they actually printed “111%”, the Arabic numeral 1 three times, not the Roman I.

        2. From what I’ve read it was split in thirds. One third actively supported the revolution, one third loyal to the king and a third didn’t give a shit.

          1. Fact is, we really don’t know. The 1/3rd rule is based on observations of later insurgencies, and was always intended as a “rule of thumb”. Part of the problem is that in documents from the time, Loyalist propaganda was focused on proving they were the majority, and we don’t know how much of their reported numbers is exaggeration. That having been said, I’ve read that the Patriots were the plurality, which makes sense if you remember that Boston, at the time, was one of the more populous cities and a Patriot stronghold. If I remember correctly, most Loyalists came from the mid-Atlantic states, particularly Virginia and the Carolinas; unlike New England merchants, they thrived from the mercantilist status quo.

            1. We really don’t know

              Yep, in addition to Adams, I think Jefferson also made that kind of a guess. Also, as you point out, it varied by region and also changed over time. The Carolina backcountry, for example, was roughly split before the British sent troops into the region. Their actions pushed more people to the patriot side. And that also points to another factor: a lot of people on either side were there more for local factors than for overarching philosophical ideas.

              1. a lot of people on either side were there more for local factors than for overarching philosophical ideas.

                I think that’s true of most conflicts, though we have to give Paine his due for popularizing the big ideas behind the revolution.

                1. On Paine: absolutely. The importance of Common Sense is still largely not known.

                  On the local conflicts: the important thing for the AmRev was a number of local disputes in various colonies in the years just prior to the revolution. There was frequently violence involved and, if one side in a conflict publicly chose sides in the Revolution, it was common for the other side in the local dispute to choose the other side of the Revolution.

                  In South Carolina, the Regulation was still in progress when the first shots were fired in New England.

            2. One of the more disappointing minor moments of my life came when I was doing some genealogical research and discovered that my ancestors in South Carolina were members of a Loyalist militia.

              1. To ameliorate your pain a little, So Carolina was a disaster for a lot of the 1770s. Someone who joined a loyalist militia may have done so simply to defend property against a Patriot “militia” who were just a band of thugs. It wasn’t until Nathanel Greene got there that some focus and discipline was brought to a lot of the patriot groups.

                Also important in SC was a lowcountry/backcountry dispute known as the regulation.

              2. Yeah, I can understand that, but you’re not them.

            3. The Brits did a rather thorough jub of “punishing” Boston and surrounds for their perceived “extremism”, beginning with a very small handful. As the Brits got more intolerable (things like the Boston Port Bill, the emptying of the city and closing of the port, repeated powder raids to disarm, closing of the colonial legislature, imposing curfews, their “writs of assistance” and “general warrants”< frequent quartering of troops in residents’ homes, kicking the men outside but not the women (read between those lines….. ) pass gates and checkpoints into and out of town, etc. ) the people of Boston and surrounds saw quite clearly the hideous extremes the Kid King was willing to take to subjugate his “subjects”, His hostility and open abuse bred many patrios, and stirred up a strong determination to throw off his yoke. Idiot, if he’d “played nice” more often he’d not have been booted off the North American Continient.

              I believe the oresent situation is not much different.

          2. It’s based on a letter John Adams wrote but that website claims he was writing about the French Revolution.

            Newer historians estimate Revolutionary support at 40-50%, Loyalist support at 15-20%, and neutral at 30-45%.

            1. Huh, I didn’t know it came from Adams.

            2. Ha. Nice handle.

          3. My highschool US history teacher (who actually did have some credentials in the subject) claimed the numbers were closer to about 5% Patriot, 90% didn’t really care and about 5% Loyalists. Looking at most politics, I’d guess this is closer for the truth for people busy earning a living.

        3. 6800 dead in battle, 50000 dead from all causes. So, throw in a few civilians as, what do they call them these days? Collateral damage is so 90s.

        4. a number of casualties, significant, never had taken up arms in the conflict. The Redcoats had a nasty habit of firing (burning) towns and private homes, farms, etc, and of raising farmsteads for supplies, at times killing the occupants. Also, as some sodliers died, they were no longer part of the population, but their places were taken by newly joined soldiers. So the numbers are still fairly accurate.

      2. The 3% figure is about the number of people who take up arms in a revolt. For example, the thought is that about 9 million Americans would actively fight in an armed revolt. I can’t be sure, of course, if that is true, but I read somewhere that it is about right in other revolutions. So, maybe 1/3 supported the Revolution, but only 3% of the took up arms, at least in theory.

        1. You are correct. A family of 15 people might support your cause, but only 3 were men of fighting age or maybe they only had 3 guns. Either way.

        2. I remember Fromm’s figures for the Nazi takeover was 1% militants and somewhere between 6 and 10% people who were vaguely sympathetic, but withheld support till it was clear that the Nazis would succeed, but who would have likely thrown in with anybody who looked likely to prevail. He theorised that similar numbers underlie most violent political movements (I don’t remember his reasoning why this should be), but put true revolutionary movements (as opposed to opportune scuffling for power, like the Nazi movement), like the American revolution, in another category, so the generality wouldn’t apply there.

      3. Thanks, Ham.

      4. it does. About ten percent helped in other ways, but only about three percent took the field. Of course, as part of that 3% died i battle, more took their places. And some fought during part of the war, others at other times.

  13. … most of the people involved in these movements are nonviolent, he says, and treating them all like budding terrorists just makes a confrontation more likely.

    That’s the point. Instigate a confrontation, escalate the situation to require a violent response, then blame it all on the redneck with a Gadsden flag sticker in his rear window. Claim it’s all symptoms of a right-wing extremist uprising, beg for more money to fight it. Lather, rinse, repeat.

  14. Law enforcement should remain vigilant and aware that confrontation with these potentially volatile persons, may include more than one individual.

    This is good. The government should fear its citizenry.

    .

  15. Fuck it. I’m gonna get a sticker for my vehicle and start flying a Gadsden flag on the house.

    1. I’m going to have it painted onto a yellow motorcycle helmet.

    2. Don’t forget wookie-suit.

    3. It’s cheaper and probably more effective than a home security system.

    4. Texas offers them as license plate backgrounds.

      1. I didn’t know that. That’s awesome. Sometimes I miss TX.

        1. They also offer a “Come and Take It” plate. CATI seems more popular by judging from what I see on my commutes but those yellow Gadsden plates really pop out. Me? I have whatever the DMV offers at the cheapest price, too frugal for vanity.

      2. In Oregon, you can get a trout.

        1. As opposed to the regular background, which is a huge arbos vit

        2. Speaking of trout, there’s a variety that lives in the Malheur Basin that is one of the most extreme kinds of trout there is. It can live in water with almost no oxygen (by sucking air) and about any pH that’s not acidic or caustic enough to dissolve its scales (also a really fucking scaley trout).

      3. VA as well. Pretty common in some areas.

  16. Telling the police to watch out for people flying the Gadsen flag–do they not have any inkling how offensive that is to patriotic people everywhere?

    Can you imagine what our Revolutionary War heroes would say if they knew that our government and our police were targeting people because they were flying the Gadsen flag?

    1. Yes. They would say ‘What the fuck are you doing sitting in your office, jacking around on the internet? Why aren’t you fighting back?’

      The we would show them porn and they would forget why they showed up in the first place.

      1. “I know not what others choose, but as for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME…. Holy shit what is she doing to that other woman? Oh yeah…… King George can have whatever he wants, just let me see more girl-on-girl!”

        1. You joke, but I believe that is actually a paraphrase from Ben Franklin’s diary.

          1. Franklin was a major poon hound, wasn’t he? IIRC, it was one of the reasons Adams was so disgusted with him when they were both diplomats to France in the 1780s.

    2. Something something tree of liberty something something watered from time to time.

      1. Its the blood of patriots, right?

    3. “Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.”

      -Mark Twain

      So yeah, of course the police are going to view patriotic people as a threat. People who are loyal to their country are dangerous to a government that doesn’t deserve their support.

    4. Can you imagine what our Revolutionary War heroes would say if they knew that our government and our police were targeting people because they were flying the Gadsen flag?

      Most of them would likely say, “We told you so.”

    5. Kanab, Utah – kinda funny. The nicest group of people you could ever meet. I would hardly call them extremist, although you’d be hard pressed to find a Starbucks or beer there.

      1. Mormons in general are some of the nicest people you could ever meet. Yet, lifestyle wise, I have NOTHING in common with them.

        1. This is true. Their religious beliefs are hilariously strange, but they’re sweethearts. My next-door neighbor is Mormon, and that dude would give you the shirt off his back. When we were snowed in a few weeks ago, I wasn’t outside shoveling for more than 15 minutes before he came out to help, which he also did with other neighbors. When I asked him to borrow his ladder so I could clean out my gutters the next weekend, he actually did it for me before I even had a chance to get it from him. Sounds unbelievable, but that actually happened.

          1. What a weirdo… /sarc

            heir religious beliefs are hilariously strange, but they’re sweethearts

            Kind of reminds me of this.

    6. Virginia, and probably other states, has a Gadsen flag license plate available through DMV.

      1. 1) The state can make money off these “extemists.” and

        2) They can get them to out themselves.

        It’s a win-win from the state’s POV. I’m kind of shocked they thought of it.

    7. Telling police to treat people flying the Gadsden flag or identifying with “patriot” movements as potential terrorists just proves those people right. Quite frankly I never paid much attention to 2A organizations or folks like the Oath Keepers until the past five years or so. The more the government proves that it can’t be trusted not to exercise coercive force arbitrarily and with utter disregard for the rights of its citizens the more relevant movements like these become.

    8. just like in King George Three’s time… his own actions did much to stir up hatred, resistance, and finally outright “blowback”. Had he “made nice” a bit more, his successor may well be our leader today. As it is, he boiled the frog too quickly, and the frog JUMPED…… and kicked him off his conrtinent.

      Our current rulers are following much the same path. They were rather foolish to go off against some honest hard workign ranchers…… these are salt of the earth types. I never had understood the severe limits the Constitution places on land ownershiop for FedGov until the Bundy situation blew up. Had they been more subtle, patient, gentle, I’d still not know. They are overplaying their hand… and it will come back and spring the trap they have set… but THEY are the ones will be caught. Just like George. When the American soldiers had the Redcoats turn their backs on them at Yorktown when General Lord Cornwallis was preparing to sign the surrender papers, we Yanks gave them Yankee Doodle, which they’d used as an insult for years…. but played at their backs, turned against our guys as one more insult, hit home. Yankees we were then, and still are.

      1. A lot of folks in town said just this, that a more politic approach would not have done any good, and that someone needed to bring attention to the problem. The sheriff didn’t go quite that far, but he was clearly inclining toward that side of things. It was interesting at the pro-killing rally, all these people with signs saying how much they love law enforcement and they support their right to kill everyone and so forth, and yet the police who were there on patrol seemed kind of put off by it and like they didn’t want to be affiliated with the people rallying in their support. As noted before, one of the pro-killing signs was “COLLABORATION = COMMUNITY”. Another was “MILITIA = TYRANNY”.

  17. He also worries that the bulletin “improperly implies holding such beliefs makes them dangerous”

    That’s because the people who put out that bulletin really do think these ideas are dangerous. Because to those in power, any threat to that power – whether violent or not – is dangerous.

    1. They don’t think they’re all dangerous. I know because Obama spoke at a mosque the other day and said that Muslims are the only people who have to defend themselves as a group when only one of their members does something terrible.

      I this case, the terrible thing Fincum did, I guess, would be getting shot by the FBI. You’re not supposed to get shot by the FBI–that’s a no no. That’s why the FBI had to throw all of his friends and associates in jail without bond.

      1. Well. I suspect they threw them in jail because they were occupying a federal building, and without bond because they’re a flight risk, being competent in the field.

        1. Yeah, God only knows where they might peacefully protest next.

          And obviously we can’t have people protesting on public property!

          1. Of course not. Public property belongs to the public, not the protesters. Can’t allow protesters to use it because doing so prevents the public from using it. Who is the public? Everyone who is not using it.

      2. If I recall correctly, the FBI has never ruled an FBI shooting to be unjustified, therefore all FBI shootings are justified.

        1. Yep. They are infallible.

      3. AFTER they tried earnestly to kill them all as they lay low on the floorboards of that truck stick in the snow.. AFTER they’d assassinated Finnicum. They didn’t kill them all, so they threw then in jail with rather serious federal charges…. with no real substance. But, you know, federal judges are relatively easy to buy, and I’m certain they’ll find suitable venues for these trials. The one right there ih Harney County seems corrupt enough.

      4. Actual, it was a local state trooper. I’ve known them to be the first and sometimes only ones to open fire in other multi-agency planned arrests (ambushes doesn’t seem like the right word) in the past.

  18. “These individuals may adhere to a sovereign citizen ideology, and may not recognize law enforcement as a legitimate authority.”

    Well, yeah. Any patriot who supports their country and the Constitution should not view those who enforce unjust, immoral and un-Constutitonal laws as legitimate authority.

    1. Law enforcement confuses power with authority. Because they have the power to do anything that they want, they assume that it comes from authority. But it does not. Their only legitimate authority comes from their law enforcement duties. If they are not enforcing the law, then they have no legitimate authority. None. But they still have power, which they can be counted on to abuse. After all, they face no consequences for doing so.

      1. Occupy Federal Wildlife Refuge

        Can we get a drum circle going here?

        1. *uptwinkles*

  19. reposted story from yesterday =

    “U.S. Looking to Expand Legal Means to Go After Domestic Extremists”

    “Extremist groups motivated by a range of U.S.-born philosophies present a “clear and present danger,” John Carlin, the Justice Department’s chief of national security, told Reuters in an interview. “Based on recent reports and the cases we are seeing, it seems like we’re in a heightened environment.”

    federal prosecutors tackling domestic extremists still lack an important legal tool they have used extensively in dozens of prosecutions against Islamic State-inspired suspects: a law that prohibits supporting designated terrorist groups.

    Carlin and other Justice Department officials declined to say if they would ask Congress for a comparable domestic extremist statute, or comment on what other changes they might pursue to toughen the fight against anti-government extremists.’

    …Current and former federal prosecutors say they rarely consider that statute in domestic terrorism cases because it is often hard to convince a jury that someone who is not affiliated with a foreign group can be guilty of terrorism..”

    1. Current and former federal prosecutors say they rarely consider that statute in domestic terrorism cases because it is often hard to convince a jury that someone who is not affiliated with a foreign group can be guilty of terrorism,

      Or maybe some of us still believe in free speech, Carlin, you cunt.

    2. yet that is precisely the angle the corrupt feds used to imprison the Hammonds. They were charged with terrorism., And the stupid jury bought off… but then, major evidence that would have destroyed the Feds’ case was wilfully suppressed by the prosecution.. part of what got these “occupiers” up and out. They KNOW the Hammonds were sold down the river.

  20. I’ll admit that 3pers skew toward the “nuts” side of the spectrum, but Oathkeepers? Fuck you, Utah Fusion Center.

    1. Oathkeepers have sworn allegiance to their country and the Constitution, not the government. That makes them dangerous.

      1. I am an associate member in said organization. And you know what, I am a “extremist and disaffected” individual. I extremely believe in liberty and natural law and I am disaffected with the corruption and venality of our ruling class. So what?

        1. If you want to live your life without asking permission and obeying orders, then you are a threat to those who feel you should ask their permission and obey their orders. That makes you a domestic terrorist who is willing to kill civilians because you want to be free from an illegitimate government. Or something.

        2. Thanks, HM.

      2. Last couple years in the Army Guard, I considered myself one – still do, retired or not.

        1. You are supposed to be loyal to your government, not to your country or the Constitution. Traitor.

          1. “Look, these people look up to a bunch of colonial terrorists who committed high treason against King and Country. Of course they are extremists and they all deserve to be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.”
            Said the same progressives who wanted to rebel against “the man” in the 60s.

          2. but since we ARE a government under rule of law, not of opinion and force, the real loyalty is to the law itself… the foundation of the government. So, when that government begins to operate well outside its assigned areas of authority, loyalty to the foundational law will restore that errant government to its rightful form. THAT form is what we all agreed to back when… and it has not changed.

            That form includes a ban on federal ownership/control of lands, federal troops or other agencies engaging in law enforcement, and a host of other things FedGov do without thinking today… because NO ONE has stepped up to stop them. BLM, USFS, DEA, should not exist. Nor should FedGov have any ownership or contorl of any of those lands.. comprising over half of the land in the western states.

            1. And that is why Finicum was willing to get out of that truck. It does not matter what the media, law enforcement, feds or drunk bloggers believe.

        2. The oath didn’t include an expiry date. Though, I am disappointed you are part of such a “racist” organization in which I have met more black people than I have ever seen at, say, my local Libertarian Party meeting.

    2. 111%ers may be more nuts, but the Oathkeepers are more extreme. Just about everyone in these forums, for that matter, employs a more extremist ideology than these soidisant “patriots”.

  21. I would think a Yosemite Sam “Back Off!” mud flap would warrant an extremist label too.

  22. What, no Confederate Flag warnings? I feel left out.

    1. We’re talking about patriotic Americans here, not rebels.

      1. whaddya think the COlonials were as they rose up and tossed Georgie and his Minions off North America?

  23. I like how the include the “Infidel/kafir” meme, as if stating one’s opposition to Islamism is treason to these United States.

    1. But Islam is the religion of peace, so anyone who openly states their opposition to it is promoting an ideology of violence. Duh.

      /sarc

  24. I’ll bet they’d just love it if everyone had “Tread on me, (whatever)” flags on their cars.

    Instead of a coiled up rattlesnake, it could just be a possum on it’s back. So it’d look a lot like the Possum Lodge crest.

  25. Okay, we have some symbols that can help identify kooks and nutbags, but I was promised symbols that can help identify armed extremists. I want my money back!

    1. This was tax payer funded propaganda. No refunds, citizen subject! In fact, we’re gonna need to go ahead and steal some more of your money.

  26. “extremists may utilize such a high profile funeral for media attention or to further ideological beliefs.”

    Oh noez! Not “further[ing] ideological beliefs!” Someone get to me to my feinting couch! /sarc

    What’s the first amendment say wrt free speech? It’s OK as long as the speaker isn’t committing crimethink, right?

    “What will the officers know after reading this that they didn’t before? Here all they know is to be afraid if they see a Gadsden flag, which could result in an unnecessarily hostile encounter that would increase the chances of violence…”

    If I were cynical I’d wonder if maybe that’s the whole point.

    “…It seems almost like CYA, so they can say ‘we warned ’em’ if anything bad happens.”

    So much this. CYA is about the only thing the government ever does well.

    1. Dude it’s right there:
      “Congress shall pass no law…, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition their Government for a redress of grievances. Unless they belong to an icky anti-government group. Or there are naked boobies”

  27. Possessing a copy of the U.S. Constitution is another sign of a potentially armed extremist who might be in league with revolutionaries out to overthrow the Crown? uh, I mean the legitimate government.

    1. Dang… and here I thought I was safe. I have NONE of those “extremist” marks on my car, clotihing, house, etc. But I ALWAYS have a copy of the Constitution in my back pocket. Oh, and I forgot… a handgun on my hip. guess that makes me “wunna dem”

    2. They used this as evidence of guilt, I remember, in trials in Montana, and I recall one process in which a juror was disqualified when he was observed to have a copy of the constitution on him.

  28. While cops love them some excuse to beat up hippies (NTTAWWT, of course), the inclusion of the “steal your face” Grateful Dead icon (lower left in illustration) is otherwise laughable. GD fans are libertarian only to the point of wanting to legalize their ditch weed and LSD. Beyond that, they’re straight up progs.

  29. The fuzz used to bust people for “This Bike is a Bomb” stickers too.

  30. Even among DHS circle jerks, fusion centers stand out as worse than useless boondoogles.

  31. Sovereign citizens might be extremists, but they aren’t terrorists. If they identify as sovereign, that makes them states (don’t other them by disagreeing, subject-citizen shitlord), and state action is not considered terrorism (otherwise, how could you tell the difference?).

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  34. Lol remember how you guys constantly complain about political correctness? But now you want to inject your sensitivities about fk’ing flags into police procedures.

    So consistent.

    1. So “consistency” requires that if one is opposed to the government punishing unpopular speech, one should be okay with the police shooting someone if they were engaged in unpopular speech via bumper sticker?

      That makes sense.

    2. So if one opposes political correctness, he can’t also oppose political stupidity?

  35. Were the police unarmed there’d be no treading and no reason for an armed resistance.

  36. DHS is more comfortable creating a confrontation with American Citizens than in denying entry into the United States by Illegal Aliens.
    Their priorities should disqualify them from government employment.

  37. Today, as then, but more urgently and more broadly than then, the task of preserving
    and enlarging freedom at home and safeguarding it from the forces of tyranny abroad
    is great enough to challenge all our resources and to require all our strength.
    Anyone who joins us in all sincerity, we welcome. Those who do not care for our
    cause, we don’t expect to enter our ranks in any case. And let our Republicanism, so
    focused and so dedicated, not be made fuzzy and futile by unthinking and stupid
    labels.

    I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me
    remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

    — Barry Goldwater

  38. Let’s see where I stand: Concealed carry permit- check; Gadsen flag on car- check; veteran- check; unwilling to take any shit from anybody- check; pale skin in winter- check. Gosh, I guess I am an extremist. (Sarc off)

  39. This isn’t new. Several years ago the Missouri Highway Patrol put out something similar

    1. it wasn’t the Missouri Highway Patrol, it was a DHS branch office putting out a bulletin containing much the same senselss dribble. It was supposed to be secret, but somebody took a leak, and the press got hold of it. The then governor was somehow complicit, which seems to be half the reason he is the then governor and not the now gov. Most of the other half was because he had a fairly strong antigun postion, and had vetoed a couple of good bills he should have signed. But yes, MHP did get copies of that bulletin.

  40. They’re putting out these warnings because they’re scared of blowback.

    Yeah, some people are all “rah rah we just killed the right wing violent extremists blah blah”.

    If you’re not a cop, that’s totally cool.

    However, if you are a cop, are somehow related to the government agencies that killed this person, who is affiliated with armed, antigovernment groups, they are now afraid that, on their way back to their car from the Dunkin’ Donuts, someone’s going to shoot them twice in the back of the head.

    So, of course, they’re putting out bulletins so that cops can identify “right wing extremists”.

    This is also why many government agencies and fans thereof really like gun control.

    1. Precisely.

    2. “Blowback”

      You mean like Jerad and Amanda Miller? I say there’s absolutely no justification at all to fear right-wing terrorism. To speak of any of it means you obviously are a progressive fascist or suck cop’s dicks.

      1. All I’m saying, is that perhaps you should apply the same idea of blowback to “right-wing terrorism” that you do to other terrorism, if you actually believe they are the same thing.

        For example, there are many libertarians who consistently reject the notion that we should pursue big-government military adventures to squash terrorism, because there’s little to gain, except for blowback.

        You, on the other hand, seem to worry about blowback exclusively for all terrorists other than “right-wing terrorists”, in which case, you’re all “America Fuck Yeah Get The Basterds!”

        There are some right-leaning libertarian, and plenty of republican, people, who are inconsistent, and may wish to leave “right-wing terrorists” alone, while pursuing international terrorists. Their excuse may be that international terrorists have killed thousands of people, at home and abroad, whereas the “right-wing terrorists” here were simply choosing to stay in an abandoned building out in the middle of nowhere, without federal permission.

        What your excuse is for your inconsistency, I have no idea, and little interest.

        1. You’re confusing inconsistency with recognizing context. If an Islamic extremist reveals he is wearing a suicide vest I think the police should shoot that Extremist. If a right-wing extremist pulls a gun on a cop I think the police shoot that extremist. If a president of a country makes a silly statement about Great Satans or the President of Iraq condemns U.s. Imperialism, I’m not for sending in hundreds of thousands of troops– yeah, because of blowback, but also because I don’t think its worth the blood or resources.

          1. Oh, I recognize the contextual difference: this guy’s a “right-wing” bad guy.

            So, when you see him gunned down in the snow, let’s just assume the best.

            I mean, it’s not like Michael Brown or anything.

            #RightWingLivesDontMatter!

            How compelling, consistent, and peaceful.

      2. Personally, I’m not scared of “right-wing extemist”, but it sure does look like the government agencies in Utah are.

        From their bulletin:

        Recent events surrounding the occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Harney County Oregon, have culminated in the fatal confrontation of Northern Arizona rancher, LaVoy Finicum. His funeral services will be held on 05 FEB 2016, in Kanab, UT. Finicum will be buried on 06 FEB 2016, close to his Arizona ranch in Cane Beds, AZ. (U//FOUO) While no credible threats to law enforcement are present at this time, armed extremists are expected to travel through UT; some of which may see this event as a tipping point, and potentially shift toward more violent action.

        They go on to identify how to spot your dangerous, right-wing terrorist.

        That’s brave, save-face government speak for “we’ve killed someone affiliated with people who scare us, and now we’re kinda shitting our pants. Be on the look out for these people who scare us.”

        America: Fuck Yeah!

  41. i wonder how the red coats felt about those extremist in 1776?

    1. early on those Redcoats scorned the Yankees… bunch of stupid farmers with squirrelguns, don’t know how to march OR drill will quiver in their cheap boots at the sound of musket fire, and fairly melt under the sound of field guns trained upon them. After Lexington/Concord, they sang a different tune… many of their ranks having been felled by Colonial musket balls fired from three times the maximum range of which they were capable, and then a second round fired in well under half a minute later, when their time to reload was just over a minute… Gage’s report back to the King, after including his HUGE casualty list (he lost a third of his officers that day, and a goodly number of his foot soldiers) and relating the relatively minuscule Yankee casualty toll, he had to admit “there are men among them who know very well what they are about” and asked for another thirty thousand well trained and armed troops. (he had about 3,000 minus casualties at taht point). On their panic driven run back to Boston from Concord, the Redcoats were all in mortal fear for their future…. many doubting they’d ever see Boston again. And many believed that rightly. The Colonials never let up their accruate, long range, and telling fire. It was a rout… and a panic run back to the shelter of Boston.

      1. There is no ‘Like’ button so I will ‘Like’ with a comment.

        I ‘Like’ this.

        1. That is bull shit.

  42. That awkward moment when you realize state issue “Don’t Tread On Me” license plates…

  43. How about this:

    Be on the look out for anybody that believes that the Federal Government does NOT have the rights it claims.

    Be on the look out for anybody that believes in Liberty.

    Be on the look out.

    It doesn’t get simpler than that.

  44. So when the Leftists used the Paul Wellstone funeral to drum up leftstist (i.e. REAL anti-American, anti-Constitution) hatred, did the feds draw up any equivalent warning to the local cops?
    Rhetorical question, of course they didn’t. Nor did they around #Occutard camps, nor do they write up helpful pamphlets letting local cops know that at anarchist rallies, the wearing of the Guy Fawkes mask is a hint that before the night is out, there will be broken shop windows and looted businesses.

  45. Some of these groups are crackpots. But Oathkeepers and Gadsen flags come on.
    You know where the zealot socialist faction at DHS gets these crazy ideas. They get bulletins for the nut job SPLC and to them it’s the gospel truth from their gods mouth right to their ears.
    Kinda like when some Jihadi wakes up one morning and decides Mohammad came to him in his dreams and said “Today start killing infidels”.

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  48. “These individuals may adhere to a sovereign citizen ideology, and may not recognize law enforcement as a legitimate authority.” Yes, we wouldn’t want the citizens to think that the Constitution of the United States actually recognized the sovereignty of citizens. And how about if the law enforcement community did the same.

    All hail the Imperial Police State! (Dissenters will be shot.)

    1. Well, the spear tip of any movement typically is made up of the most disaffected, so I am sure there’s a few nuts to watch out for within these groups, people with whom one might agree with in principal but not agree on the wild card nature of their personality,

      But, in the end, as the tea party and support for Trump shows, disaffection is spreading further into the “normal” populace, I know accountants and engineers and architects and other private sector, middle class people who are fed up, It may be the zealots who touch off a “fight”, but when a goodly portion of the population is fed up, there is where you’re going to get the remainder of your 1/3rd supporting, or at the very least abstaining. I just don’t think the political class on either side of the aisle is clued into how disaffected people are, And what inevitably comes after Trump I am a little fearful to see,

      1. cont

        I personally know many of the high ranking politicians in my state and they do not have any inkling of the simmering resentment within the professional middle class, They are so insulated in their own worlds of committees and luncheons and photo ops, and they think when people come along to kiss their ass to get favors that THAT is interacting with “the people”, They don’t have any idea how much they are despised and thought poorly of personally, Built right into the process is disaffection, and it starts with the Pols, on BOTH sides of the aisle, who think the first 50% of your labor is THEIRS, and what you’re allowed to keep is out of the kindness of their hearts, That is the foundation of a body politic that won’t last, The only question is our uncivil and bloody will things get, I don’t advocate, merely foretell,

  49. When terrorist groups start identifying themselves under a particular flag or banner, it makes complete sense to pay attention to those who display that identification.

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  67. We’ve got to get the Justice Department OUT of this mindset on “war on terror”. 75% of the FBI, NSA, (Justice) is being done on —–Americans for what they term “Homegrown domestic terrorism” when what it turns out to be is “Homegrown political agendas/opinions”. The freakish “terrorism” fad needs to STOP in the Department of Justice because its essentially a WAR on its own people.

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    Peter Santilli (Media) Arrested 01-26-2016 (40 days in jail and counting)
    Detained without release by US Prosecutors based on the evidence shown below

    55:40 – Un-Registered guns claim
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    23:20 – Dare to take my guns
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    1:02 – Clinton; Tried, Convicted and Shot in the vag, I wanna pull the trigger
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    His license plate was flagged by the federal DHS “terror watch list,”
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