Resolved: This Is Not an Election About Restraining the President
Candidates mostly ignore survey asking about limits on executive authority.
For the last two presidential election cycles Charlie Savage of The New York Times has sent a survey as the primaries approached to candidates from both parties. His goal was to get them on the record to express their positions on the extent of the authority of the president as chief executive. What are they legally permitted to do on their own without getting Congress' stamp of approval?
For the 2008 presidential election he got nine out of 12 campaigns to respond and answer the questions, including both then-Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain, the eventual nominees. For the 2012 presidential election, five of the seven Republican primary candidates participated, including eventual nominee Mitt Romney. (Gene Healy wrote about that last survey here.)
So for the 2016 election Savage dusted off his survey, updated it, and sent it off to the candidates for both major parties:
The questions included: When can a president keep information secret from Congress or the public; detain or kill American terrorism suspects without trial; override statutes governing surveillance, torture and Guantánamo detainee transfers; and attack another country without congressional authorization?
He sent the survey out in September, so they've had plenty of time to work out considered responses. This weekend Savage is reporting the results. Guess how many candidates participated in the survey this time?
Just one. Only one candidate was willing to fill out the survey detailing the limits of presidential authority. I'm not even going to ask you to guess which candidate it was because if you're reading Reason, you know full well who it was. You can read Sen. Rand Paul's responses here.
The only other candidate to even respond to the survey was Hillary Clinton, who gave a canned statement promoting her work for the Obama administration as secretary of state and didn't answer the questions, even though she did participate in Savage's survey back in the 2008 election cycle.
Nobody other than Paul was willing to go on the record to describe how the rule of law and United States Constitution would specifically limit their own authority as president.
Mind you, we're also seeing in this election cycle a significant rejection of the established media as gatekeepers of electoral information. It's easy to imagine several campaigns deciding it's just not worth the trouble to participate in a survey because of Savage's connection to the Times.
But that certainly wouldn't explain campaigns like Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley declining to participate, nor the lower-polling GOP candidates who desperately need any sort of publicity. The theories Savage considers for the lack of participation vary by the party. For the Republicans, they are most certainly being hemmed in partly by the popular and unpredictable Donald Trump campaign. Trump has no interest in acknowledging any sort of limitations to the power of the president and is promising to do anything he wants. For the Democrats, they may not regain control of Congress come fall, and so they may decide they want to follow in Obama's footsteps of trying to bypass Congress with executive orders.

It's a dismaying outcome that will not prompt significant outrage in a presidential cycle that is becoming increasingly full of authoritarian promises. No wonder the ultimate example of government as nanny, Michael Bloomberg, is considering a run. He fits right in. At the start of the week I took note of the authoritarian impulses driving the campaigns, partly because some people mistakenly think these impulses are confined only to Trump and his supporters. Sanders is his own form of authoritarian. Just this week his campaign tweeted "Any Supreme Court candidate of mine will make overturning Citizens United one of their first decisions," showing utter ignorance on how the Supreme Court actually takes cases but expressing a very common authoritarian impulse among those with presidential aspirations to try to nominate justice that are going to vote exactly how they want them to. Clinton wants the exact same thing as Sanders, though she's probably aware that she can't make the court take up a case.
Clinton, of course, has her own problems with unaccountable authoritarian behavior, currently getting plenty of publicity in the scandal of her bypassing federal oversight and maintaining a private server for email correspondence. And she's as bad as Trump when it comes to respect for civil liberties. Be sure to check out Matt Welch's cover story in our upcoming March issue about Clinton's long, established war on free speech (you can read it right now if you're a Reason digital subscriber).
What Savage's failure should make clear is that Trump's campaign is not some anomaly and he doesn't represent just some sort of populist, nationalist angry surge on the right. Trump is the natural consequence of two decades of generally unrestrained, undisciplined executive authority.
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I'm trying to imagine what the Donald is saying. I can imagine plenty of things that would make people laugh at him, but the Clintons seem to be laughing with him. I can imagine many things he could say that would make Bill laugh but not Hillary and vice versa, but this is something they're both laughing about.
About all I could come up with: "I hate those damn Republicans so much. Some day I'm going to run in the GOP primary just to fuck with 'em."
Neither Bill or Hillary (especially Hillary) look sincere.
Hillary is the worst. She generally wears a "I know the inside joke" smirk that is usually inappropriate to the situation.
Gene Healy's The Cult of the Presidency is a great source chronicling the growth of executive power.
This Is Not an Election About Restraining the President
Is it ever?
Seriously, from my observations of the presidential elections over the past 30 years boils down to 1) How are you going to punish my enemies and 2) What's in it for me?
The means never really seem to be the issue.
If Trump is elected, I guarantee you that the congressional Democrats will give it a second look.
Same with Bernie and the Republicans.
I am a little confused what you mean by 'it'.
'It' == "Restraining the President"
It's another election about restraining the libertarian moment. Last 16 years, authoritarians 4 libertarians 0.
I skimmed Massachusetts v. EPA today, and I noted how Bush's EPA actually did not believe it had the authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act. However, SCOTUS held that EPA's refusal was arbitrary and capricious and that EPA was in fact charged with regulating CO2 emissions under the CAA. Scalia wrote a decent dissent, noting that "air pollution" isn't even defined in the CAA.
I only note this because sometimes it's the courts that expand executive power even when the specific agency chooses not to do so.
I believe this is what Daniel Patrick Moynihan called "big government ordering itself to become bigger" - there's a lot of that in administrative law.
And it's an example of SCOTUS ignoring its (otherwise shitty) Chevron precedent of deferential regulatory whenever an agency does less than the liberal justices want.
Yeah, that's right, I hadn't thought of that.
Should be "review" after "regulatory."
Without even looking at it, I can guarantee you the EPA funded the group that sued it. They've been doing that shit for years. Find something they want to do but don't think they have the authority to do and then sue themselves - and lose - so they can get the courts to "force" them to do what they don't think they're even allowed to do. Are you not familiar with B'rer Rabbit and the briar patch?
I wouldn't put it past them - specifically, the Humphrey Applebys serving in the Bush Administration must have steamed at the way that those *politicians* tried to butt in on their turf. So when Bush ordered them not to regulate carbon, they had to make a show of compliance with that order, but they managed to go over the President's head by getting some court to order them to do what they wanted to do in the first place.
Sock Puppets: How the government lobbies itself and why
Speaking of briar patch, guess what Joel Chandler ("Uncle Remus") Harris joined shortly before his death?
Curves?
The problem the executive branch agencies have with making new rules is: they have to publish the proposal and hold hearings and allow for public comment, consider competing interests arguments, they have to submit a cost/benefit statement, they can be sued over their authority to issue such rules, and, perhaps most importantly, future administrations can just repeal or change the rules. All sorts of rules under the APA as to how you have to go about issuing rules related to due process and following procedures. Not so with court orders - there's no public input involved, no advance notice of rule changes, costs of the new rule are not an issue, and court orders become legally binding on the agency for all eternity. Pretty sweet deal for administrators.
"I skimmed Massachusetts v. EPA today, and I noted how Bush's EPA actually did not believe it had the authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act. "
They only have the power to do what they want to do. When they search for the power to do something that doesn't suit their ideology, they just can't find it.
They're like the people who tell me they can't find a job and therefore cannot contribute to charity. I tell them there is a job available. No takers yet in 10 years.
Has any Presidential election ever been about restraining the power of the President? The only way to check the power of one politician is to elect adversarial people into positions to oppose him.
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There was a Sri Lankan presidential election last year that was just that.
"The only way to check the power of one politician is to elect adversarial people into positions to oppose him."
I'm pretty sure there's another way.
That little boy from the Golden Child? Not a boy.
My childhood is ruined!!!
Pre- or post-op?
Born "Jasmine" so guessing neither.
Also not a boy.
Now you've got me thinking about Charlotte Lewis.
Atta boy!
NSFW, dude, but thanks!
My advice: panic.
Clinton, who gave a canned statement promoting her work for the Obama administration as secretary of state and didn't answer the questions
To be fair, that's pretty much her response to *anything*.
To be fair, that's pretty much her response to *anything*.
Isn't Free Speech wonderful?
Do you have a point?
To be fair, that's pretty much his response to *anything*.
Clinton is no more obliged to answer a reporter's questions than you or I.
She may not be legally obliged to answer, but someone seeking so much power over the rest of us has, at the very least, a moral duty to answer.
"a moral duty to answer"
No she doesn't. Neither she, the other candidates nor anyone else is ever morally obliged to speak to the press. Rest assured, you are free to ignore the NYT without imperilling your moral status.
So a person who seeks to rule others doesn't even have a moral duty to answer what limits should be placed on her power?
0_o
Isn't Free Speech wonderful?
You don't know what the term means.
Very persuasive. OK, you've convinced me. It isn't wonderful after all.
Reread this thread and understand that your free speech quip is a non sequitur: no one was arguing the government should force Clinton to answer Savage's questions.
Jesus.
"your free speech quip is a non sequitur"
That's just me shirking my moral duty.
It certainly isn't her moral responsibility to respond to these pertinent questions but it is a prerequisite to her being qualified to be president of the country. If she refuses to answer them, and gets elected, it only speaks to the poor decision-making skills of the electorate.
I can walk into a job interview and ignore every questions I'm asked; I have that moral right, nothing wrong with doing that. But if I did that, I shouldn't get hired; and if I did get hired, it would bespeak the incompetence of management for hiring such an applicant.
"I can walk into a job interview... "
All true enough. What we're missing here is that for the job of president, there is no interview. Instead we're blessed with an expensive, lengthy and farcical campaign.
Clinton. Moral duty.
That's hilarious.
Unless you are not telling us something, you and I aren't running for President. The rules are rather different if you are.
So the rules state that candidates must respond to NYT reporters. Lucky NYT.
Seems that electing a president who may or may not promise to curb executive powers hasn't been working out well. Why not concentrate on those bodies that were designed to counter presidential authority, congress and the court? Save your questionnaires for those running for congress. They will be better placed and more motivated when it comes to limiting executive authority. Who in congress is promising to close Gitmo, for example?
...even though she did participate in Savage's survey back in the 2008 election cycle.
And what did that get her? The bum's rush out the door.
We don't have bums in our town, Fist, and if we did they wouldn't rush, they'd be allowed to go at their own pace.
"Lih Mits to presidential power." "Lie Mites to presidential power." "Listen to presidential power." "WTF is this? This ain't even English! What the hell is a "Litmus to presidential power?"
Even Cruz didn't answer? I thought he was cool. 🙁
FTNYTTW.
Fuck the New York Times That's Why
Wow, that's exactly what Cruz's campaign said.
Oh, I see.
But I'll give Savage credit for keeping up the pressure even after Bush left office - almost as if Savage realizes he's dealing with a bipartisan problem that goes beyond facile Republican-bashing.
Savage has written a book on the Obama administration actually, and the presidential powers exercised therein I presume. This suggests he has a genuine scholarly interest in the issue of the imperial presidency, whomever the president is. A rare feature for an employee at a modern news agency.
Rand's answers are well worth a read. They are mostly candid and complete, with maybe a couple exceptions. But they are all thoughtful and even if I don't agree with each one in detail, it's hard not to come away feeling, once again, like Rand is the only one in this race that really understands liberty.
"Rand is the only one in this race that really understands liberty"
Then why is he pursuing a career in politics?
So he can -- dare I say it? -- RULE THE WORLD!
So he can take over the world and leave you alone?
Because sometimes the best way to change things is from the inside.
"Because sometimes the best way to change things is from the inside."
To say nothing of the lavish pension, perks and adulation.
Rand seems a decent chap. I wouldn't hesitate calling him to come and mow my lawn. Not much more than that.
You have a lawn? What's your secret? An overbearing sense of self-righteousness always seems to kill mine.
Even your lawn hates you? Welcome to the world of righteousness. I hope Rand likes you more than your lawn does.
Just when I thought you couldn't get any more tedious...
Not tedious enough to stop reading me (or commenting on remarks addressed to others) though.
You want him to come over and fuck you? But not spend the night? I see.
Not much more than that.
Yeah, that whole doctor thingy doesn't mean shit? Come on, dude, you aren't even trying!
D-
If I needed medical attention, I'd seek out a doctor who was devoted to his practice. Not one who was running for president. And certainly not one running for president and senator simultaneously.
"Resolved: This Is Not an Election About Restraining the President
Candidates mostly ignore survey asking about limits on executive authority."
That is exactly what I've taken from this election cycle. The electorate at large seems to want THEIR strongman, whatever the stripe, in office. Barf.
I'd rather have *my* strongman instead of theirs, particularly if my guy isn't a strong man, they will rule anyway.
I've had enough of one sided rule of law.
In case you were wondering how Cambodians were marched out into a field and hacked to death with farming implements just because they wore glasses or spoke French, I present to you this comment from the NYT article:
Was njglea playing Illuminati?
Thats the only way that combo makes sense.
What's this "OUR hard-earned taxpayer money" bit? If he's talking about the Equal Access to Justice Act, his fave groups get a shot at taxpayer money, too.
Korematsu weeps.
Holy shit, he's right. Three generations of idiots IS enough.
"And we can build a new Tuol Sleng and everyhting!"
I've heard enough.
None of that makes the slightest bit of sense to me. I went to read it in context and it helped not at all.
The... catholics? The catholics that made gay-marriage the law of the land? ...
And all these evil organizations like "Wall St"... are going to "sue the government"? Is sovereign immunity not a thing anymore?
more confounding to me are the 7 people who thumbs-upped it.
"Is sovereign immunity not a thing anymore?"
It's less of a thing. Widen your reading and you might come across mention of treaties like the TTP. It allows groups to sue governments over 'intellectual property violations' and the like.
How does that relate to Wall st. suing the government over, um, whatever it is the halfwit though Wall st. wanted to sue the government over? Pretty sure it had nothing to do with violation of foreign entities' intellectual property.
I was simply answering GILMORE's question. It is possible for groups, even groups that do business on Wall St., to sue the government. I can't speak for the halfwit, and don't want to either.
I will speak on behalf of the halfwit after all. I see your confusion.
"Wall st. wanted to sue the government"
The street doesn't actually want to sue the government. Streets are incapable of taking legal action against the government or anyone else. This is an example of what us literary types call a synechdoche. This is where a part is used to stand in for the whole. "The long arm of the law" refers to the arm of the policeman but also to the entire apparatus of the police, courts, prison etc. Wall Street here means the corporate world in general. Granted, it can be confusing but shouldn't be beyond the grasp of your high school graduate.
I will speak on behalf of the halfwit after all.
This disclaimer should accompany everything you post.
Granted, it can be confusing but shouldn't be beyond the grasp of your high school graduate.
And if anybody should know the upper limits of a high school graduate's intellectual abilities it's you. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, amirite?
(For the uninitiated, mtrueman is a no-shit, dead-serious, Loose-Change-is-a-documentary 9/11 Truther)
"For the uninitiated, mtrueman is a no-shit, dead-serious, Loose-Change-is-a-documentary 9/11 Truther"
And Pat isn't aware that WTC 7 was not doused with burning jet fuel yet still managed to progressively collapse at free fall speed. Or if he is, even the lesson of HS physics continue to elude him. If we're really lucky he just might entertain us with a spirited defence of his government's account of things 9/11.
Side note =
that link you posted?
reminds me... never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.... respond to Youtube comments about Communism. They are the killing-fields of brain cells.
never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.... respond to Youtube comments about Communism.
"There is no better reason to vote only for socially conscious democrats and independents...."
Try to find one that his consciousness isn't also false consciousness.
SNOWPACOLYPSE 2016!!!
It could drop below 50 here tonight!!!
Funny it's not much colder than that where I am.
I think we're well over the predicted 8 inches here in Brooklyn. Looks like a couple feet and it's still snowpocalypseing.
My wife and kids were supposed to fly into JFK last night. All flights cancelled.
Switched to flights today. All 6 LAX-JFK Jetblue flights today are cancelled too. Same with the first few tomorrow.
Which is nuts because it didn't even start snowing until after midnight. There should have been nothing cancelled before this morning then but they do it anyway "just because".
-1 extraneous "then"
Could be that they had trouble with the planes on the inbound leg.
JetBlue sometimes flies triangle routes, which I find stupid; sometimes it needlessly fucks up travel in warm weather places too.
It was still showing today's flight from LAX-JFK as "on time" 2 hours before departure, but I was able to track down the plane, which was still on the ground in Boston. I would have been very pissed I had to make 2 trips to the airport for nothing.
My partner was originally booked on the BOS-LAX Jetblue flight tonight. He switched to a Friday flight. Smart move, BOS-LAX flights are not cancelled (yet) but all of them are delayed at least 2 or 3 hours.
I'm *just* north of the snow line, thankfully.
About 2 feet of snow for me outside of DC. Fuck all of you.
I wish I had half that, no snow to speak of in lower Great Lakes this winter.
I will do what I can here to make sure Canada accepts refugees from America with open arms.
The HST is a big deal killer.
go on....no don't
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This sure does tell us a LOT about the mentality of the New York Times.