Bernie Sanders

Bernie Sanders Says Police, Not Colleges, Should Handle Rape

'Has got to be understood as a very serious crime.'

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Bernie Sanders

Sen. Bernie Sanders said Monday that campus rape disputes should always be handled by the police, rather than university administrators, departing from conventional left-feminist thinking on student-on-student violence.

According to The Hill, Sanders maintained—somewhat dubiously—that campus rape was an "epidemic," but not one the universities themselves had any business trying to resolve:

"Rape and assault is rape or assault whether it takes place on a campus or a dark street," he said Monday at the Black and Brown Presidential Forum in Iowa.  

"If a student rapes another student it has got to be understood as a very serious crime, it has to get outside of the school and have a police investigation and that has to take place."

Sanders' comments on this subject might seem uncontroversial, but in fact, he is very much going against the grain of current liberal thinking. Left-leaning anti-violence activists tend to oppose measures that would obligate survivors of sexual assault to bring their claims to law enforcement because they fear that this will discourage victims from reporting at all. They say that accusers should be able to choose whether they want to go to the police or whether they want to go through the campus process. Hillary Clinton's plan to address student rape, for instance, presumes that on-campus adjudication is an equally valid method of handling disputes.

The problem with on-campus adjudication, of course, is that university administrators lack training in the rules of evidence and due process, and often do a terrible job safeguarding the rights of the accused and the rights of accusers. The defenders of this option evidently believe two things: 1) it can be reformed so that all accusers are treated well (they generally don't care about the accused), and 2) students deserve a special, quasi-legal arrangement where their claims are evaluated under a lower burden of proof than the claims of regular people who have to go through the criminal justice system. Good for Sanders for denouncing such an arrangement.

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  1. Even a blind squirrel……

    1. Finds his nuts?

  2. I think our nations police officers are handling rape just fine.

    1. Especially in Oklahoma.

  3. rather than university administrators, departing from conventional left-feminist thinking on student-on-student violence.

    Well he just lost the other half of the Hillary vote.

  4. Sen. Bernie Sanders said Monday that campus rape disputes should always be handled by the police, rather than university administrators, departing from conventional left-feminist thinking on student-on-student violence.

    Is the Sun still rising in the East?

  5. “in fact, he is very much going against the grain of current liberal thinking”

    which means the proggy masses will ignore these things just like they ignore his (erstwhile) pro-2nd amendment views.

    1. Being pro-second amendment while demanding everything else in life to be “free” is a mere detail.

    2. which means the proggy masses will ignore these things just like they ignore his (erstwhile) pro-2nd amendment views.

      Huh? They’ve pulled Bernie way left on guns already.

      1. erst?while
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        1. But he’s still more pro-2A than the rest of them. And they’re not ignoring his remaining pro-2A views.

          1. ” they’re not ignoring his remaining pro-2A views.’

            Do you have an example of “They” lately getting all hung up?

          2. My point was that I don’t see bernie much criticized for where he deviates from proggy dogma, so much as those things being papered over in their broad-brush adoration.

            You had some other point?

      2. Huh? They’ve pulled Bernie way left on guns already.

        He wants to use them on his enemies?

      3. And no doubt his next lobotomy will cover this “misthink” on campus rape. By next Tuesday he’ll be singing the praises of the kangaroo courts.

    3. his (erstwhile) pro-2nd amendment views

      I guess if he’s given up his pro-gun views, they can be ignored.

      1. He was initially pro-gun for pragmatic reasons, reminding the other Ds at the debate that gun control wasn’t going to fly outside the big cities.

        Then he remembered that he still has to get the D nomination and that would take more than just the support of Vermonters.

        1. He was initially pro-gun for pragmatic reasons, reminding the other Ds at the debate that gun control wasn’t going to fly outside the big cities

          In plainspeak, he said he was simply pandering to the gun-clingers, and didn’t believe a word of it.

          1. and now he’s simply pandering to the gun-haters, and doesn’t believe a word of it

  6. When was rape considered to be an unserious* crime?

    *That’s a real word.

    1. When it’s done by a comedian who drugs his victims?

      1. Or a famous movie director.

        1. dammit !

          !

      2. Or a movie director who drugs his underage victims.

      3. Only if she was laughing at the time.

      4. A governor of Arkansas pushing himself on vulnerable women?

    2. If I breathe ‘rape’ through the mist curling from my quivering feminist mouth it is as if all the fucking gods and goddesses of all the eons murmur as one tremulous infallible chord.

    3. When people hold show trials about post hoc consensus revocation? Forcible, non-consensual penetration is a seeious matter that should not be confalted with regret. Making all people who are accused of rape go through a rigorous system that respects their due process rights seems like the correct default position. If your sister or daughter or niece were raped on campus, would you want a campus show trial or a police investigation? Understand that the universities are pushing to arbitrate ALL campus rape. Also understand that they could just as easily let men off on bullshit as deny their due processs. Its a bad idea.

    4. I wonder how Bernie’s going to square this with the assertion in his old ‘zine that women almost universally fantasize about being raped.

      Oh, never mind, by going full Angry Old Man about it.

      1. Rape fantasies are common in the subculture of fetish play.

    5. The correct answer was: When a Kennedy does it.

    6. When it’s not rape-rape.

    7. When the person doing the raping is married to Hillary Clinton.

  7. One would naturally assume that ‘elite’ and super-clever individuals vested in the educational pursuits would be supremely qualified to grasp the fundamentals of due process. Tickling the curled edges of social engineering is an obtuse business to be sure.

  8. “Black and Brown Presidential Forum” What is with this ridiculous BS about grouping Arabs, Blacks, and Hispanics together. As separate groups, they are probably more racist towards each other than any white person is.

    1. This was in Iowa. I didn’t know we had enough blacks and browns to hold a forum.

  9. Bernie Sanders Says Police, Not Colleges, Should Handle Rape

    Bernie is clearly an out-of-touch old white dude who does not understand the culture of rape that permeates the modern college campuses in the U.S. which makes The Road Warrior look like a shared-time infomercial.

    1. Are you Lena Dunham?

  10. Good. If Bernie Sanders talks sensibly about this, maybe some of his prog supporters will realize their ideas about it have been nonsense.

    1. snicker, snort…. guffaw

    2. Your comment incorrectly assumes that his prog supporters are capable of independent critical thinking

      1. No. It assumes they’re not capable of independent thought and will only change their minds because Bernie told them to

        1. Actually, they will change their minds while in Bernie’s presence, then the moment he leaves the room or the topic changes they’ll revert back to their old position.

          Ask a progressive (or a conservative for that matter) if the law of supply and demand applies to labor markets, while talking about minimum wage. The ask the same question when talking about immigration or international trade. You will almost invariably get two different answers (unless you’re talking to 1990s Paul Krugman of course).

    3. I doubt it. More likely, they’re going to ignore it like they did Bernie’s relatively good record on gun issues as Senator from Vermont and Bernie will change his views if it’s too much of a liability.

    4. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!11!!!11!!!!!!! That’s the funniest comment I’ve seen in a long time. Good one!

  11. Sort-of OT: Biden shitting on Hillary Clinton, praising Sanders

    Vice President Joe Biden offered effusive praise for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders Monday, lauding Hillary Clinton’s chief rival for doing a “heck of a job” on the campaign trail and praising Sanders for offering an authentic voice on income inequality.

    And while Biden said Democrats had a slate of “great candidates” running for president, he suggested Clinton was a newcomer to issues like the growing gap between rich and poor.

    “Bernie is speaking to a yearning that is deep and real. And he has credibility on it,” Biden said during an interview with CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger.

    “It’s relatively new for Hillary to talk about that,” Biden continued, acknowledging that Clinton has “come forward with some really thoughtful approaches to deal with the issue” of income inequality.

    1. I assume that Joe is going to be the compromise candidate at the convention without entering a single caucus or primary.

      1. Joe by acclimation at the convention.

        And with no Heffalump getting enough votes for a first ballot win, that convention will be a street fight as well.

        This may be the most interesting year since 1968.

      2. Michelle, not Uncle Joe.

        Eight More Years!

    2. So Hillary is the entitled high school bitch that everyone hates but she keeps getting what she wants because she’s such a bitch. Which means Sanders is Pedro to her Summer Wheatley. Which makes Biden Napoleon Dynamite.

  12. Second pro-Sanders article I’ve read today. Maybe AmSoc is on to something when he says socialism and libertarianism are basically the same thing?

    1. *read on this site today.

    2. Bernie elicits shades of Russell’s oddball, but notable, form of quasi-Socialism posited peripherally in his Proposed Roads to Freedom.

    3. Bernie is now polling ahead of Hillary in Iowa just 20 days before the caucuses.

  13. Well how about that? I agree with Uncle Bernie on one more issue than I do Trump.

  14. Bernie is an old school socialist who hasn’t completely lost the ability to think.

  15. The problem with on-campus adjudication, of course, is that university administrators lack training in the rules of evidence and due process[…]

    How sweet. You say that as if the administrators cared about their lack of training.

    Left-leaning anti-violence activists tend to oppose measures that would obligate survivors of sexual assault to bring their claims to law enforcement because they fear that this will discourage victims from reporting at all.

    By what I’ve seen so far, I can say they are far too encouraged to report whatever fantasy happens to pop into their heads as it is.

    1. And here I thought the problem was it isn’t their job to investigate crimes ,that’s for the cops.

  16. Jesus, Bernie just admitted that he thinks evidence-based “reality” outweighs feelings-based “reality”, that he believes in objectivity? What an old out-of-touch fart he must be to not realize that we’ve moved beyond that, that we have accepted the quantum theory of subjective reality. Whether or not I’ve been raped or assaulted is simply not a question to be addressed by anyone other than me, if I feel I’ve been raped then it’s real to me, dammit, and that’s all that matters. Who the hell is Bernie to say I need some sort of validation of my reality?

    1. Bernie just admitted that he thinks evidence-based “reality” outweighs feelings-based “reality”, that he believes in objectivity

      on this one narrow issue. Most of the rest is feelings, white guilt, and covetousness.

        1. Even the longest march to the gas chamber started with a single step.

          Old Nazi proverb.

    2. Whether or not I’ve been raped or assaulted is simply not a question to be addressed by anyone other than me, if I feel I’ve been raped then it’s real to me, dammit, and that’s all that matters.

      Well, that is how it works, actually.

      1. So you support post hoc withdrawal of consent? What about holding that only men have agency when drunk?

        1. Of course I don’t support “post hoc withdrawal of consent” or the idea that only one gender has agency when drunk.

          But I have no idea how you “objectively” decide what someone else is thinking.

          “Subjectively, I heard her saying, ‘No!’ But I knew that objectively, she really wanted it.”

          1. It’s not the ‘No!’ that concerns us.

            It is the ‘Yes!’ at midnight that morphs into the imaginary ‘No!’ at dawn when the guilt sets in.

            1. And that has nothing at all to do with objective or subjective realities.

              1. The rhetorical orgasm, then. Fine.

              2. How is that any different from almost any other crime? Any thief can say his victim gave him the money, and that the victim is simply revoking his consent to the gift after the fact. Or, me and the other guy were boxing, I totally had his consent; then he made up this whole thing about me assaulting him. Even murder: ‘he told me he wanted to die but didn’t want to do it himself, so it’s really just assisted suicide.’

                Rape isn’t really peculiar in that respect. With most crimes, the question of the credibility of the alleged victim is inevitable. On;y unlike with rape, special laws serve to make it impossible to question the accuser’s credibility in the court of law in many circumstances.

  17. Judging from today’s coverage, Sanders is the second-most libertarian candidate in the running, Cruz is an unkind man who probably eats babies, and Trump is the reincarnation of Hitler himself.

    Thank God we have a libertarian magazine to buck the mainstream consensus and steer us on the right path towards smaller government and away from socialism.

    1. We are Reason’s bitch.

    2. That makes Hillary the kraken?

      1. You’ll need to apologize to a few seaboards after that one, son. The lovely leviathan you just offended irritably trembled a tsunami onto the waters from his perch.

        1. Meduas then?

        2. Meduas then?

          1. Or, perhaps, the violent Bia.

  18. …university administrators lack training in the rules of evidence and due process, and often do a terrible job safeguarding the rights of the accused and the rights of accusers.

    As opposed to — the cops, the district attorney’s office?

  19. “The problem with on-campus adjudication, of course, is that university administrators lack training in the rules of evidence and due process, and often do a terrible job safeguarding the rights of the accused and the rights of accusers”

    Now, if I wanted to be perfectly fair to the colleges (and I’m not sure I do), the proper comparison in most cases is between the campus courts and the plea-bargain process in the real-world courts.

    Only a minority of cases go to trial and receive the benefit of “the rules of evidence and due process.”

    The rest of the cases are negotiated based on mutual threats – the prosecution threatens to send the defendant away for several years, and the defense threatens to make the prosecution spend time and money proving its case, with the risk of acquittal and thus breaking the prosecution’s winning streak.

    And if the defendant happens to be innocent, he or she…OK, *he*…will still have to be worried about being convicted despite his innocence and getting a harsher punishment than he could get through negotiation.

  20. Feel the Bern of Cruz being Satanic. /TheJacket

  21. Blind hogs and acorns, eh?

  22. “epidemic,”

    You keep using this word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

  23. I guess the blind, demented old squirrel found another acorn. I’m still not voting for the old commie if he gets the Dem nomination.

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  26. Wow!

    Even the loony Socialist gets it…

  27. Bernie is absolutely correct in this. College administrators are not cops nor are they the judicial system.

  28. I can’t resist playing devil’s advocate, so here I go. Campus administrators don’t understand due process, but then again the most they can do is expel a student from the university. They can’t impose fines or jail time. Therefore, what are libertarians complaining about? Can’t a private organization have discretion on who to admit or expel from its body without conforming to standards imposed by the government or public?

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