On Campus Free Speech, the Bad Guys Have Won [UPDATED]
So warns FIRE President Greg Lukianoff, in a must-read new 2012 interview

Quite appropriately, given what has been one of the most ridiculous weeks in the modern history of campus free-speech wars, the Wall Street Journal's new [UPDATE: this isn't new at all; it's from 2012; the paper just re-upped it given news events!] "Weekend Interview" is with a character well-known to Reason readers, Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) President Greg Lukianoff.
Lukianoff, who was right there in the middle of the amazing Yale unpleasantness from last week, shares some grim conclusions with interviewer Sohrab Ahmari:
"The people who believe that colleges and universities are places where we want less freedom of speech have won," Mr. Lukianoff says. "If anything, there should be even greater freedom of speech on college campuses. But now things have been turned around to give campus communities the expectation that if someone's feelings are hurt by something that is said, the university will protect that person. As soon as you allow something as vague as Big Brother protecting your feelings, anything and everything can be punished." […]
Growing up in an immigrant neighborhood in Danbury, Conn., sharpened his views. When "you had so many people from so many different backgrounds, free speech made intuitive sense," Mr. Lukianoff recalls. "In every genuinely diverse community I've ever lived in, freedom of speech had to be the rule….I find it deeply ironic that on college campuses diversity is used as an argument against unbridled freedom of speech."

Then there's this reminder that, in the best traditions of the real free speech movement, defenders go where the fight is, not where their ideological allies are:
Conservatives and libertarians are especially vulnerable to such [campus] charges of harassment. Even though Mr. Lukianoff's efforts might aid those censorship victims, he hardly counts himself as one of them: He says that he is a lifelong Democrat and a "passionate believer" in gay marriage and abortion rights. And free speech. "If you're going to get in trouble for an opinion on campus, it's more likely for a socially conservative opinion." […]
"I make the point that this is happening, and even if it's happening to people you don't like, it's a fundamental violation of what the university means," says Mr. Lukianoff. "Free speech is about protecting minority rights. Free speech is about admitting you don't know everything. Free speech is about protecting oddballs. It means protecting dissenters."
The whole article, filled with all kinds of outrages (including some I wasn't familiar with, such as Fordham University President Joseph McShane browbeating the local College Republicans out of inviting Ann Coulter to speak), is worth reading in full. Also worth clicking: Lukianoff's two original contributions to Reason: "P.C. Never Died" (February 2010) and "Campus Censorship and the End of the American Debate" (March 2014).
Here's a great Reason TV video from May 2014 that features Lukianoff prominently: "Trigger Warnings, Campus Speech, and the Right to Not Be Offended."
And here's Lukianoff talking with beloved New York Times science writer John Tierney a year before that at The Museum of Sex:
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Alt text win and especially as she looks like the stuff of nightmares.
I was wondering what happened to Carrot Top
Its good he stopped taking steroids, he looks better now.
BLACK MEN! Can we get some black men to escort Mr. Lukianoff out of our safe space! BLACK MEN!
^That. Should go down in infamy, but won't.
Phrasing foul. Sorry.
Someone please link to the referenced incident. I need to up my daily ration of insanity and I missed that one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11......html?_r=0
Thanks, Mammy.
Thank you
Good lord
Holy fucking shit, these people are segregationists, and the irony is they're allegedly the "tolerant" and "non-racist" people. Un-fucking-believable. I hope every one of these SJW twats gets Lou Gehrig's disease.
The rush back to "separate but equal" - smdh.
Well, they do have "1950" in their moniker, so perhaps they really are hankerin for the good ol days of segregation.
Like Spike Lee bitching about the whiteze invading Harlem. It turns my stomach that equality has turned into Animal Farm equality - "some are more equal than others."
But they (who wanted this) will always be in charge so all is well.
She really does look like the ginger devil in that picture. But I repeat myself.
Ever since someone mentioned Carrot Top, I don't see anything else.
I have a thing for gingers but not for things
Ginger finger!
Looks like a 1960s version of Carrot Top to me.
What's she doing with her arm? Reminds me of something.
+ Heil!
Chairman Mao of VI Lenin gesturing "forward" in various schlocky commie sculptures?
"or"
Hero farm comrade, sitting on the tractor, gazing sincerely off in the middle distance...
I can't get enough of what she's wearing. It looks so Puritan. It's perfect.
It's just an infinity scarf, because a scarf with two ends is phallic or too difficult to work or both.
She looks like she owns at least 9 cats. Definitely has a coexist bumpersticker on her Subaru/Prius.
Hey, now! /subaru owner
Nothing wrong with cats or Subarus!
Let me show you this Venn diagram....
Stop invading my safe space :p
He says that he is a lifelong Democrat
Awesome! There's one good Democrat.
It's almost like political party is a lifestyle choice.
Support the fascist party; receive fascism.
Both of 'em
Well, there's a distinction between Hindenburg and Hitler.
Hitler didn't explode in flames over New Jersey?!?!
Yeah. IIRC, While Hitler did get immolated, it was on the surface of Berlin.
Is there some way to not receive fascism?
Well you definately want to stay away from "safe" spaces.
"There's one good Democrat."
There are millions.
Oh, you mean *living* Democrats!
Here's hoping that this SJW Spring revolt on campus spreads like wildfire, and really jumpstarts alternatives to the traditional campus model - on-line, certifications, etc.
The higher ed system has, I believe, a terminal case of cronyism, authoritarianism, and Marxism. I doubt it can really be saved. We need alternatives. Bad.
Its time for the dissolution of the monasteries
Let the strong wind of creative destruction blow across the campus quad!
I'm afraid that wind broke a long time ago.
+1 Spinal Tap
It would be nice if the higher-ed bubble would hurry up and break too.
Too big to fail. Mark my words.
Probably true, but the faculty-lounge-leftist-in-chief is almost out of office.
Here's hoping that this SJW Spring revolt on campus spreads like wildfire, and really jumpstarts alternatives to the traditional campus model - on-line, certifications, etc.
Call me an old-fashioned anarcho-capitalist, but I wouldn't mind if it set us back to the good ole days, either; when you started with doing a job, any job, and going from there.
Even though you won't be able to provide examples of Marxism or even a basic definition of Marxism.
The fucking stupidity.
It just keeps getting more comical.
This should start to calm down by Thanksgiving, right?
Can't Twitter, brah. What's it say?
It's an image, and I'm sure as hell not transcribing it! Hope this works for you.
The Twitter commentary: Finally: if foolish enough to think "All Lives Matter" or "Free Speech" are acceptable ideas, REPORT FOR REEDUCATION
What the fuck in "racial and cultural competency"? Aside from that, off to the camps!
Aside from that, off to the camps!
I think you meant, "off to the campus"?
The "Report for Reeducation" comment is, I think, sarc in response to the original post.
I dunno, sounds like reeducation camp to me. In the most literal sense.
Correct. But the capitalized section above that is, I think, Jeff B.'s sarcastic response to the line you quote. Not sure, b/c I'm not Twitter-fluent.
Yes, the comment is mocking the Amherst students' proposal. His following tweet: "EXTENSIVE training," people. These people are human garbage. Youth does not excuse them. Stop rolling your eyes: it's fascism. Raw power.
...they will be required to attend extensive training for racial and cultural competency.
Does that ever help? Do people come out of re-education training with more understanding or just irritated?
Every time I've had to sit through some GoodThink training session, I've come out more filled with BadThink than when I went in.
I think a well-adjusted person would come out rolling their eyes and with even less respect for the officially condoned groupthink.
Classical Maoist re-education involved forced labor, mandatory self-criticism (confession of sins) and other indignities. The point was to break your spirit and make you never, ever want to be re-educated again.
"Does that ever help? Do people come out of re-education training with more understanding or just irritated?"
Well historically speaking, fewer come out, and they are far more compliant afterwards.
So re-education camps are like roach motels?
It's like you're pretty much calling the Jooz roaches. You fuckig anti-Semite.
/sarc
I'd say it's beyond parody, but I fear that doesn't have the proper impact.
Nope. Oh well. Back to work.
What I do for my lovelies:
Aw, thanks.
Well at least they're being forthright. Believe in silly things like free speech and it's off to the camps with you.
The Lefties are coming completely out of the closet:
"we do not tolerate the actions of student(s) who posted the "All Lives Matter" and "Free Speech" posters"
They aren't even using a fig leaf to cover up their disdain of Free Speech at this point.
According to that list of demands, faculty and students at Amherst have been victims of colonialism, and Amherst needs to apologize for it. It is interesting that they go through a list of anti-ethnicity racism, suggesting that perhaps there IS the possibility for anti-white racism. There's also something called anti-Latinx. I guess anti-Latino is misogynistic?
Well, pro-patriarchal. Oh, I'd love to see these kids take on linguistic gender in languages that use that.
They have. They replace the terminal "o" or "a" with "x". Not sure what they will do with gendered pronouns: "el" and "la".
But I'm sure it will be transgressive and have an "x" and shit!
How are you supposed to pronounce that shit? Latinex?
"Planning a weekend of Mexican butt sex? Pick up some Latinex for eXtra sensation!"
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It used to be "Latin@."
*facepalm*
Then speak a language with a fucking n?ytral gender, such as for instance one of the less corrupted Nordic or Ur-Nordisk tongues. It's not like there's a shortage of them.
Its a wonder they don't go after latinos/hispanics when they speak spanish/portuguese - all latin derived languages are so *cis-oppressive* with their noun gendering after all.
You know what other language has gendered nouns?
Hit . . . Hitler?
Close...
I think you mean Hitlex.
Manx?
Old English, in which "m?nnisc", meaning "a human being", was neuter, and "w?fmann", meaning "woman", was masculine.
President Martin must issue a statement of apology...[that] include[s] that marginalized communities and their allies should feel safe at Amherst College.
And there you have it: the power of words. Declaring people should feel safe will actually accomplish something.
Considering they were not really unsafe to begin with, I suppose it is valid.
I bet you could make millions selling these dipshits "Tiger Repelling Rocks".
This might be the needle in the higher education bubble. That's an awful lot of debt these kids are going into in order to be called racist oppressors and listen to Screams With Bullhorn. Get the anti-sex gangs up to full spin and combine with the shit economic prospects of Bachelor Degree holders, there's not much to attract the kind of person who actually pays to support all of this.
I really have to wonder though if most of this is just isolated to a handful of asshats and the school administrators. With the bulk of the students just rolling their eyes at the whole thing and going about the business of going to classes and obtaining a degree. The crime isn't that these kid are such ignorant babies. The crime is that anyone pays any attention to them. The correct response would be to ignore them not to hand them a microphone.
It doesn't really matter if its just a handful, as long as they are in control. And they are.
Problem is they won't let themselves be ignored. They will just harass those very people who roll their eyes and try to go about their business. It really is like a plague. Or...THE BLOB!!!
http://bit.ly/1MGSMtY
They will harass people for 4 years. Then they'll go to job interviews, let the mask slip even a little - and spend the next decade mixing coffee drinks.
This is why higher education needs more subsidies and students require debt forgiveness.
"I forgive you for choosing an awful education track... here's $100k to make it right"
It's a nightmare world in the winter, when the derp comes to cover the ground....
Since we're talking about safe spaces and microagressions, would it be fair to say:
"Whimper is Coming"?
*golf clap*
STOLEN!
No one's going to listen to him, you know what other white guy whined about Minority Rights?
John C. Calhoun. (Pretty sure he was Hitler's uncle)
Speaking of Hitler... I saw a meme the other day complaining about how nobody calls King Leopold "Hitler" for killing so many Africans.
Maybe not Hitler, but the Belgian Congo under Leopold was pretty disgusting.
Did they also complain that nobody calls Mao 'Hitler' for killing so many Chinese?
See, also, Stalin.
Nobody ever called Hitler "Leopold" for killing so many Europeans?
I don't know what the murder parity is between the two, maybe Hitler is a So-So Silver while Leopold is a only a shameful Bronze?
The interview says it's from 2012.
He could see the writing on the wall.
Was it written in poop?
*golf clap*
This is the writing that was inscribed: MENE, TEKEL, and PERES. These words mean: MENE, God is going to give you an ass-kicking because you are so retarded; TEKEL, your derp has been weighed in the scales and it weighs like a ton; PERES, wash your hands really well before you leave.
It will be interesting to see how far the Campus Speech Nannies push it. Because you know they're not going to just declare victory and enjoy the moment; as Captain Red-Legs said "Doin' right ain't got no end".
"Whining ain't much of a living, boy."
I'd throw in a quote from Granny Hawkins. But that might trigger somebody.
C. S. Lewis
See Also Alexis de Tocqueville in democracy in America why this kind of tyranny in a democracy.
I love CS Lewis. You can really see the Tolkien (philosophical anarchist) influence in this quote.
Can someone explain to me why she is wearing a baby shit green crochet doily around her neck?
Because humorless authoritarians are not know for their good fashion sense? Some exceptions apply.
Say what you will about the Nazis, they were snappy dressers.
Hans . . . are we the baddies?
Hugo Boss FTW!
Huh, the Blitzkrieg of the Triggerati.
"Triggerati"
ALSO STOLEN!
the Yale shrieker was outed and it's better than expected.
One of the most fascinating revelations regarding Luther's identity, though, is the fact that she played a role in Christakis becoming master of Silliman College in the first place. In her tirade, Luther screams "Who the fuck hired you?" at Christakis. But further research reveals that Luther actually served on the search committee that chose Christakis as the master of Silliman College. So, when Luther screams "who the fuck hired you," the answer is, in some part, herself.
Dee-fucking-licious, that is.
Yeah, that is so filling, I am skipping lunch!
"This is so very delicious and filling I don't think I'm going to be able to eat the rest of the evening. In fact, I honestly don't think I can have one more bite of [her] painful humiliation. I find I'm just a little stuffed." /Dr Cox
And the hunger striker crying about privilege at U 0f M comes from a very wealthy family.
I swear to God, if Elmore Leonard were to write a novel about this, he couldn't come up with this cast of characters.
And I thought she was going to turn out to be another millionaire.
Are you familiar with the argument that there is no such thing as free speech, as practiced in America, as the powers-that-be will pick and choose what they determine to be acceptable free speech, Mr Welch?
It was point of contention in the anarcho-punk scene long ago.
You think it's bad now, give it 10 years.
The U of M should organize a T-ball match where they don't keep score.
I don't think U of M students need to worry about scoring.
Are you kidding? Between the balls and the bats, its practically a triggerfest of phallocentrism!
a triggerfest of phallocentrism!
The new album by the DerpFighters?
Congratulations on the Simmons pick-up. Thanks for getting him out of the division.
Haven't I already seen that pointing woman somewhere?
Good call, Eddie.
THE PROTESTERS ARE POD PEOPLE!
Lukianoff is the last of a dying breed of pro-free-speech progressives. Soon they will be as thin on the ground as Democrats for Life.
Lukianoff's generation, and the generations before, thought of free speech in terms of Wobblies versus pro-corporate cops, sex-advice pamphlets banned from the mail, Communists going to prison, and cops beating up civil rights demonstrators.
It used to be part of the Left's collective memory, and as a result many of them didn't want to censor conservatives because it would set a precedent to use against them.
Now these memories are fading, lovingly treasured by a dwindling band of Lukianoffs.
Anyone who's hip and modern realizes that free speech means Korprashuns are People and racist harassment and bourgeois hegemonic blah blah.
Conservatives, for obvious reasons, are taking up the free-expression banner (with libertarians cheering).
Thank the Lord that some of the aging Lefties I mentioned are still on the judicial bench. So there will be a bit of a lag before the modern free-speech-sex orthodoxy makes its way up the chain until it produces lawyers to replace the First-Amendment-oriented octogenarian judges.
"free-speech-sux" not "sex"
I like the other one better.
I am not sure that comparing conservatives and liberals with regards to free speech is helpful. It is historically interesting but doesn't give understanding as to why it happens. The people who do this kind of shit are all the same no matter their political leanings. It is about personal character, or the very sore lack of it.
When are you folks going get with the program?
This has never ever been about hurt feelings. This has always been a rationalization for exerting power over their enemies and silencing them.
Oh, we are well aware of that - it is just so sad and comical that "hurt feelings" is all they can come up with as a justification for being given sweeping powers. "Crybullies" really is the best label yet.
It's always about power and control
And they're not even hiding it - it's all right there in their manifestos.
They've won? But we have yet to fight!
south Park got it almost eight years back
Death Camp(US) of Tolerance
Sparkle and glue to be handed out for free
My alma mater, on the other hand, is kind of awesome.
Geez, why don't they just stick a "Whites Only" sign out front.
This has been going on for a long time
I was on the program board at UCSB almost three decades ago
Sam Kinison was voted down because he was mean to gays, Africans etc
Angela Davis was approved ('kill the rich')
A 'serious' speaker advocating for killing rich people was perfectly ok
A comedian who made jokes about no food in the desert... Nope
The board also proposed a resolution (I voted against it) opposing renting out PA equipment to groups with unacceptable viewpoints
Iow, decision to allow access to PA equipment was propped to be made on a content based metric
Fortunately our legal adviser told the lefties this was illegal
Legal adviser? More like *buzzkill* adviser.
Whoever still owns the rights to "PCU" ought to sue these fuckheads for copyright infringement.
"Bailey Loverin?"
Don't mind if I do!