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[The Hyperbole]

Does anyone know if this is going to be on the television, I'm a smug asshole that likes people to know that I don't even own an internet?

[SIV]

I'm so profoundly conservative I'll have to tune in on my 5 tube superheterodyne receiver. I hope my old turnspit cur can keep the voltage up for the whole 2 hours.

[MSimon]

Get modern and switch to a 6 transistor radio.

[drugwarisevil]

Sorry but I'm not interested in reading the tweets and comments on the GOP debate by someone who rarely misses an opportunity to urge libertarians to not vote. Let her tweet/comment on the Dem debate. If she can get more of them to NOT vote then she will be providing a real service to humanity.

[kbolino]

Let her tweet/comment on the Dem debate

Here you go

[Bubba Jones]

I like gazing at pictures of Elizabeth while she talks dirty.

[__Warren__]

One or more of these Republicans has panted a swastika in his or her own shit at some point in the past. I want to know which one(s)!

[Rich]

Don't you mean which has shit a swastika in his or own pants?

[Tommy_Grand]

you know who else liked to pant?

[Quincy.]

Dogs.

[Brochettaward]

I'd just like to say that there aren't nearly enough people calling bullshit over every claim of racism reported on the Missouri campus. It's just slightly more believable than the Rolling Stone piece.

Or the campus is really fully of roving bands of white dudes in the back-up of pick-up trucks randomly shouting nigger at people and Neo Nazis.

[creech]

Are there even any? Lester Holt covered the situation for the second night in a row and didn't air one dissenting opinion.

[Brochettaward]

In the media? None that I've heard of. Most likely because there's no way to prove or disprove any of these accusations besides maybe the bullshit fecal swastika one. You can't disprove that some guy had nigger yelled out at him.

That's the thing about these accusations. They are incredibly cliche and over the top, yet there's no actual evidence.

But even here on Reason, precious few people just pointed out the obvious that I saw. These stories? There's no reason to believe they are true.

[GILMORE?]

"Or the campus is really fully of roving bands of white dudes in the back-up of pick-up trucks randomly shouting nigger at people and Neo Nazis.""

While I see your point =

I've noted - you could still have your occasional drunken racists and swastika-symbols in toilets... and it does not a-White Supremacist Culture of Oppression-make.

i.e. whether or not these incidents were in fact real and true (and i have every reason to believe at least some *were not*) does not change the fact that, just as an example...

"...a swastika drawn in shit on a toilet wall.." has absolutely ZERO significance to the wider 'community' of the college, or its constituent 'cultures'... any more than a crude drawing of a penis with the words "Jimmy Loves Big Black Dicks" on the same toilet wall say anything significant about People Named James and their preferences.

I have no doubt there's a tiny minority of actual, bona-fide racists in Missouri, and even at U.of.M. That is because there is a tiny, bona-fide minority of racists *everywhere*.

We even have/had a racist-in-residence show up here from time to time = he-who-we-call "Murkin".

I don't recall anyone suggesting that Nick & Matt resign because of it. and if they had, anyone with half a brain would think it was ridiculous.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

When you get right down to it, these protesters are bullies. They're deliberately targeting people they know will buckle under the slightest bit of pressure, not those who are almost guaranteed to push back and push back hard.

Ever notice that, for all their crying about "white privilege" and how much they're racially oppressed, they aren't actually targeting places where the dominant clothing style is cowboy boots and giant belt buckles? Ever notice that, after Trump basically dared them to try and disrupt one of his campaign rallies, they didn't take him up on it? That most of their success has come against shitlibs and shitlib institutions?

The BlackLivesMatter and BlackBrunch crowd, along with Starvin' Marvin and the Missouri Sexual Assault Athletics Club, know the same thing that Dylann Roof did when he went after those black churchgoers--if you want to cause the maximum amount of damage, target people who won't fight back.

[GILMORE?]

"They're deliberately targeting people they know will buckle under the slightest bit of pressure...., target people who won't fight back."

exactly right.

They're like children who constantly misbehave around mommy & daddy because they know how far they can push them.... but will cower in terror of their schoolteachers, and never dare speak in class for fear of even being 'corrected'.

(instead they're the type who will have mommy & daddy complain to administrators that the teacher "is "unwelcoming" and gives her mean looks")

The way they treated reporters trying to cover their 'protests' is the same passive-aggressive B.S., shoving people around while claiming they're "being touched"... trying to create a situation they can claim to be victims again.

Its behavior you'd think would have ended by the time people were *beginning* their teenage years... not extending into their 20s.

[ant1sthenes]

I'm pretty sure Epi is right about them -- they play up how victimized they are so they can victimize others while still feeling self-righteous about it.

[straffinrun]

Perhaps if the vehicle had been a Prius instead of a pickup, I'd believe it. Just toooo tidy a narrative. I had asshole racists yelling shit at me in Seoul as I walked down the street with a Korean gal. Yelling from BMWs not Hyundais. Today's Racists seem to come more from entitled brats than working stiffs.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

The whole thing was basically a giant hate hoax ginned up by Starvin' Marvin for political cred. The guy's spent his entire post-high school education--7 or 8 years-- at an institution that he claims is rife with systemic racism. He's getting his graduate degree in a major that's essentially a training ground for being a political lobbyist. And of course there's no evidence that any of the incidents actually took place (the lack of a picture of the shit-sika being the most notable). He knows damn well there's plenty of proglydytes on campus willing to swallow the "systemic racism" cause and, to his credit, he played these white shitlibs like a damn violin.

[SparktheRevolt]

-400 Jeb Bush

[Phlogistan]

I'm watching the vid KTM tweeted instead of the debate..

[Phlogistan]

er.. i mean KMW tweeted..

[SIV]

KTM vs. KM-W

[Jerryskids]

Wait, this is the Kuomintang debates now?

[straffinrun]

First question: How long until the US goes from the world's greatest beacon of freedom to a malignant tumour on humanity?

[commodious spittoon]

With the dross coming out of our most prestigious institutions? Under a decade.

[straffinrun]

You mean demonizing balls has a downside? At least they are accepting of those of us who will lop them off, literally or metaphorically. Can't say you weren't given a choice.

[ant1sthenes]

If you mean USG, it isn't already?

[commodious spittoon]

My driver's license expired today, which I discovered much to my chagrin after sitting down at the bar for a drink. There are a few things you cannot do with an expired driver's license, and driving is not one of them. I can drive around town without issue, and even if I'm pulled over I'd only be cited and let go. Nobody is going to stop me driving with an expired driver's license. They will, however, refuse to sell me alcohol. I don't know if this is true of other states, but the laws are so awful in New Mexico that servers and retailers are afforded no discretion whatsoever in selling alcohol to someone bearing an expired license. So I am now sober and home and contemplating moving to Somalia where conceivably I could get a beer.

[Hyperion]

Mine was expired for 4 years one time before this lady at a bar carded me and asked me if I knew it. Took it down to the DMV the next day and they just changed it, they didn't say a word. Many moons ago.

[commodious spittoon]

It's an instant 86 here. Not quite being tossed out the door by hulking bouncers, but if you're not legally allowed to drink at the bar you're not allowed to sit at the bar. It's all very infantilizing and really fucking stupid, since the logic behind the law is either not allowing minors to drink or cutting back on the number of DUIs. Somehow refusing to take expired licenses helps. And the state will go after the servers for failing to acknowledge an expired license. Some infractions can net up to five grand in penalties, never mind legal fees. And for some reason the idiot voters here applaud these measures. Because reasons nobody can rationally articulate. I don't always hate this state, but then again I'm not usually required to be sober by legal mandate.

[Hyperion]

Well, I was 30 at the time, and I think she was convinced the picture was actually me, Plus, she was a nice lady, so nothing happened. Then again, 25 years ago.

[Jerryskids]

Mine was expired for over 5 years one time. After a year, it's not considered an expired license, it's considered you don't have a license. Went down to the DMV to see about getting a license and, jesus, I thought I was going to wind up getting tasered by the bull dyke bitch behind the counter who just knew I was lying about some sort of shit because who doesn't have a drivers license? Why didn't I have a drivers license? How could I not have a drivers license? Doesn't it seem kinda suspicious that I would claim to not have a drivers license? Finally wound up telling me I was going to have to get a learners permit for a year - which I wasn't about to argue with her about even though I had looked up the info and knew the learners permit only applied to under 21 and otherwise all I had to do was just retake the driving test. I just smiled politely and left and came back the next day and found some other clerk to talk to. Took all of about 45 minutes to have a new license.

[Hyperion]

I just smiled politely and left and came back the next day and found some other clerk to talk to. Took all of about 45 minutes to have a new license

Yep. It's a 100% guarantee that at the DMV the next person will tell you something completely different than the last person you talked to. I mean, I would say that it's because none of them have any fucking idea what they are supposed to actually be doing, but that would be mean, so I won't say it.

[Hyperion]

In the PRM, if you are an undocumented alien, you can drive around with no license, or a fake license. Or if you do actually go to the DMV and pretend to speak no Ingles, they will just give you one. You can also sell your car with the license plates on it or just sell your plates to someone else (both of which are illegal) and nothing else will happen. If you are a citizen though, with all the privileges that brings, you will get into deep shit over these disrespects of auhtoritah.

[commodious spittoon]

The People's Republic of Mongolia?

[Hyperion]

Mongoria, stop being so culturally insensitive, bagger!

[commodious spittoon]

Damn Mongorians breaking down my shitty wall!

[Quincy.]

moving to Somalia where conceivably I could get a beer.

So you like liver and onions? It's an acquired taste.

[commodious spittoon]

It's really funny the link that, I just read today that bell peppers are called capsicum in some countries. And some people in the midwest call them mangos.

[Hyperion]

Dude, can you grow some facial hair or something? That seems to help. I got carded until I was 40, at times, not all the time.

[commodious spittoon]

Everyone gets carded. Literally everyone. They had a huge push several years ago to make it universal, in part with stings to arrest and charge servers who failed to do so. A couple weeks ago I had dinner with dad and his girlfriend, who had forgotten her purse at home. She wasn't served. This is a woman in her late 40s. Doesn't matter. Might be an underage drinker. Can't take any chances. It's asinine.

[Hyperion]

That's fucking stupid. I'm feelin so free here in the PRM.

[commodious spittoon]

Are you for serial about Mongoria? Are you rampaging and pillaging on horseback?

[Hyperion]

I'm planning on getting totally serial. I'm going down to Assateague and enslaving the ponies to build my own Mongorian horde and take over the world!

Look, Assateague, that word has ASS in it! And PRM also has a bay named Big Assawoman Bay! What other fucking state has that!? And ponies that can be turned into evil ponies to take over the fucking world!

I'm totally serial!

[commodious spittoon]

Okay, now I know you're just making things up. You're the perverted version of GRR Martin. Which makes you... GRR Martin!

[Hyperion]

I'm not making it up.

Assawoman Bay

There's a Little Assawoman Bay and a Big Assawoman Bay

Also, the ponies at Assateague Island exist, I have pics of them.

[Quincy.]

Does your state have the word "kill" in many of its place names? No? GTFO.

[Hyperion]

It will once I assemble my horde of killer ponies from somewhere with the word ASS in it!

[commodious spittoon]

We do have a small town in the south named Truth or Consequences.

Originally named Hot Springs, the city changed its name to Truth or Consequences, the title of a popular NBC Radio program. In 1950, Ralph Edwards, the host of the radio quiz show Truth or Consequences, announced that he would air the program from the first town that renamed itself after the show; Hot Springs won the honor. Edwards visited the town during the first weekend of May for the next 50 years. This event was called "Fiesta" and included a beauty contest, a parade, and a stage show. The city still celebrates Fiesta each year during the first weekend of May. The parade generally features area celebrities such as the Hatch Chile Queen.

I would call them a bunch of rustic hayseed cowtippers, but as a teenager I dated a girl who competed in a 4H rodeo every year so I lost any claim on being cosmopolitan.

[Hyperion]

Well, you gotta love a woman who can rope a good calf. Specially if her ass looks good in jeans.

[commodious spittoon]

It did. The breakup was hard. Looked her up a decade later and she'd somehow managed to combine the worst traits of maternal plumpness and that hollowed-out meth head look.

[DenverJ]

I lived in T or C for a couple years, true story. What a strange place. I was there when it was the biggest FBI crime scene at the time, due to that guy raping and torturing and videoing it. I knew his daughter, Jesse, who was convicted s his accomplice.
Very strange place.

[commodious spittoon]

Wow. I'm going to have to do some reading, that's macabre and fascinating.

[Greg Loves His Woodchipper]

David Parker Ray. Awful, awful dude. If asked what I know about Truth or Consequences, NM his case is probably 99% of my answer.

[Crusty Juggler]

It was also not a bad movie, if i remember correctly.

[DenverJ]

I did not know there was a movie. Tell me, do you remember if there was a Charlie character? Charlie Musso, I think.

[Crusty Juggler]

Oh, it is violent film noir, so I do not think it is about whatever you are referring too.

[DenverJ]

Ahhh. I do remember watching s film by that title. Can't click link right now. The only thing i remember about the film i saw was the film taken by air of the green belt. The rest of the town didn't look even closer to the same. Tomorrow I'll look at the link, thanks.

[straffinrun]

Why people get squirrelly when confronted with "Papers Please" is a mystery.

[Juice]

Of course your DOB changes with the new license. Better get a new one quick so you can find out when your next birthday is.

[ant1sthenes]

Makes sense -- there's a certain random age where you become under 21 again, and they can't know if you've hit it unless you renew your license.

[Hyperion]

Hey, are they going to tweeter some debate tonight, or not?

[Crusty Juggler]

Is Suderman hitting the bourbon again? If so I'm in.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Based on Suderman's bacon infused bourbon recipe from the last debate, I had to re-think my assumptions about him.

[Crusty Juggler]

His performance during the last debate, combined with the recipe, vaulted him into my Reason employee top ten.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

My top 10 Reason employees are:

1-8 Kmele Foster*
9 Michael Moynihan**
10 Margaret (The office cleaning lady)

* Yes, I know he doesn't actually work for reason
** Yes, I know he no longer works for reason

[Sevo]

Neither does Margaret.

[Crusty Juggler]

Stop that, Moynihan is not in anyone's top ten of anything.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

It's really just a pity vote. He's so pale I'm pretty sure he's suffering from rickets and not long for this world. I'm kind hearted in that way.

[Crusty Juggler]

I understand that. We should set up a gofundme page to get him some Vitamin D supplements.

[grrizzly]

I always loved Moynihan. You see, I'm baring it all.

[Hyperion]

Stop talking shit about Moynihan!

[Fist of Etiquette]

MICHAEL MOYNIHAN IS MY ENTIRE LIFE.

[american socialist]

Quick question before the debate: "Should Melissa Click be shot by a firing squad composed of frat boys or burned at the stake by ben carson supporters?

[Hyperion]

Yes

[american socialist]

You know she apologized, right? How many death threats do you think she'll get over the next three months from right-wing loonies?

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

How many death threats do you think she'll get fabricate over the next three months from right-wing loonies?

FIFY

[Hyperion]

Her calling someone else a loonie would be quite the laughable spectacle.

[Hyperion]

Also, I don't expect or want an apology from her. If you're going to go full on retard, then just do it, don't apologize or you've lost all respect. Nothing is more pathetic than someone who has to apologize for what they truly believe in.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

That was a "trying to save my job because I'm about to get shit-canned" apology. It's not like she necessarily meant it.

If she had any self-awareness she would never have tried to "muscle" a MU student journalist.

[Hyperion]

Let's just cut to the chase. She's an idiot and a likely liability to anyone who employs her.

[straffinrun]

She apologized! That is always enough.

[Hyperion]

I'm sorry, mommy, I promise I'll clean my room tomorrow! *Looks shiftily around the room*.

[straffinrun]

Too late. I need some muscle over here! *snaps fingers at Amsoc*

[Brian]

I promise to start feeling sorry for her real soon.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

You assume Carson supporters would burn a person alive? Damn, that's really racist.

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

Yeah, just about to point out the idea of supports of a black man being against this walking queef of a college insturctor grievance-monger*...

*God, what a punchable face.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

What she did was retarded. If you truly respect free speech and freedom of the press, you don't act that way. Simple as that. She deserves the heavy criticism. Next time don't be a SJW totalitarian idiot.

[Hyperion]

Is Rand going to have to punch someone in the head tonight to get back into the game? Come on, Rand, just go right up and kick Trump in the ballz, you have my permission. Then take Jersey the Hutt and Jebllary and clang their heads together like Mo. Finally, make fun of Carlie's tits and say that she has a white girl ass. Just do it, man, we're fucking bored here.

[straffinrun]

Rand's idea of a Hail Mary is a Dan Marino QB sneak on his own 15 with :07 on the clock.

[Hyperion]

That's what I was afraid of.

[F. Iron-Ass Stupidity, Jr.]

To be fair, I wouldn't trust Dan Marino from the opponent's 15 with 1:00 on the clock, unless the Dolphins were playing the Jets.

[OneOut]

Then you never watched Dan Marino.

[Hyperion]

Is there a debate?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah. ON YOUR FACE.

[Hyperion]

I don't feel anything on my face. I mean typically it's the wife or maybe my shades... or something, but I'm just not feelinz it right now...

[Brochettaward]

Attorney General of New York unilaterally tells Draftkings and Fan Duel to stop doing business in his state:
According to the Times, Schneiderman concluded that DraftKings and FanDuel "seriously mislead New York citizens about their prospects of winning," and that "the top one percent of DraftKings winners receive the vast majority of the winnings."

http://profootballtalk.nbcspor.....ess-there/

I'd ask the basic question of what makes him think he has the right, but we all know the answer is FYTW. I love the choice of language, as well. The morons in that state here one percent and start frothing at the mouth. Maybe Hillary can add equality in fantasy football to the list of pandering positions she holds.

[Palin's Buttplug]

State lotteries hype their winners too.

What a douchebag.

[Quincy.]

Pareto hates poor people. Newton loves hearing the crunch of the elderly's bones hitting the bathroom floor.

[straffinrun]

"His state".

[Juice]

The companies can challenge Schneiderman's decision in court.

They don't have to. He's the one that needs to bring the companies to court, no?

And since there is no law preventing them from operating (who am I kidding, there's SOME law out there in the millions of laws that can be used) the suit would be dismissed with prejudice.

[Hyperion]

So, are the Cosmotarians in that Tweeter thingy up there trying to be humorous or witty? I don't get it.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Because you are a conservative. Fat Rush (Praise be unto him) Limbaugh is more your type of commentator.

[Hyperion]

Shut up you silly monkey. You aren't allowed to speak to me, you're too stupid. Go hurl some feces with your proglodyte brethren.

You're secretly in love with Santorum and everyone here knows it. He's like the second coming of the Obama. When Hillary finds out, you ain't gettin no moar that sweet cankle juice that you crave.

Now go away before I must taunt you a 2nd time, your mother smells of hamster berries and your daddy is a smelly old towel.

[OneOut]

Do you have a link for that ?

You have the reputation for making things up.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Just turned on the Kid's Table Debate and watched the fat fuck say the Fed should be audited - now Santorum is talking about the breakdown of the family on his Fed question.

[Hyperion]

Kid's table is appropriate for you, but we need to send a chaperon so you don't eat all the crayons again.

He's cucko for cankle juice, he's cuckoo for cankle juice!

[Phlogistan]

Gerald Seib.. Most malignant eyebrows of the evening award

[Quincy.]

25 minutes! I'm positively giddy with anticipation!

[Hyperion]

Can we talk about cats until then? Who likes cats? Who has some cute kitten pictures to share?

[Quincy.]

OK.

[Hyperion]

You got to have the right drones to keep the terrorist cats in the neighborhood in check. They're probably planning a Coy pond attack, or worse.

[Quincy.]

The war on Koi isn't going well.

[Hyperion]

Well, my cats can't spell worth shit, so I blame them.

[Quincy.]

20 Minutes! Squee!

[Phlogistan]

Careful saying "Giddy".. Some one up thread is assembling a horde of killer ponies.

[Phlogistan]

Careful saying "Giddy".. Some one up thread is assembling a horde of killer ponies.

[Quincy.]

Fine. "GEDDY!"

[Quincy.]

12 Minutes! I'm throbbing with anticipation!

[Quincy.]

4 minutes! I have to change my underwear, excuse me.

[Juice]

OMG, we had one of those Reply All email disasters today! Someone sent an email to everyone to go hear some speaker. Someone else hit Reply All to reply in 48 pt font that this person will spew anti-Israel propaganda. This made that person look like a huge fool, IMO. But that was just the beginning. Now all sorts of people start having a Reply All debate. Holy shit. My inbox (everyone's) was full of nothing but these emails. I was like, Dear God when will it stop?

The last emails were someone said "Hey, it's Taco Tuesday so relax." and posted a picture of a taco saying "Why can't we just taco bout it?" and a nacho saying "No way. I'm nacho friend." Then someone Replied All to say "That's incredibly racist. I'm quite offended." I really couldn't tell if it was real offense or someone being funny, but given the tone of the whole Reply All debate disaster, I'm guessing it was real.

I now realize that there are some sad, sad people at work, and a whole lot of children in adult bodies.

[Crusty Juggler]

a whole lot of children in adult bodies.

Is this a negative?

[Hyperion]

Not at Yale.

[Hyperion]

Reply all is a very dangerous button. Those who do not learn this early on are destined to look very stupid.

I remember one time, this guy at a company I worked for suddenly burst through our door (IT, very small department), red faced and said 'Can you stop an email I just sent out?'. We just looked at each other ( the 3 of us in the room) and our Network guy says 'nope'. Guy sent a totally unhinged rant about the VP of the company and several other top execs and accidentally replied all on it. Oops.

[Juice]

There really should be a warning "Are you SURE you want to REPLY ALL?"

[Hyperion]

You would actually think there would be after all the embarrassing shit that has happened.

I actually forget to do it sometimes when I should just because after all these years, I'm very hesitant to use it. I generally use the 10 second rule anyway when it comes to responding to emails. When it's a time I have to actually be serious with someone concerning their clueless stupidity and total lack of reading comprehension, I take a good time out, which always results in retyping the entire email.

I mean gone are the days when I wrote such quick replies as 'Is that fucking English that you just wrote? Do you have any clue as to what's going on about the subject that we are supposed to be discussing? Because you have apparently have no comprehensible way in which to demonstrate that'.

Yeah, those days are gone. I'm a really nice guy now, making lots more money. I just get my rant time here now.

[Hyperion]

Oh, and I have spellcheck and an edit feature at work.

[grrizzly]

Back in the day, having received a "Reply All" response that was obviously not intended for everyone, I manually hid the "Reply All" button in my email program.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Our system at work is set up to give a warning every time you hit reply all, asking if you're sure you want to reply to all recipients.

People still send dumb reply alls to the entire office.

[commodious spittoon]

Someone years and years ago sent around an email to the entire 50+ person office involving some innocuous football shittalk that quickly degenerated into actual shittalk. After half an hour IT came down and begged everyone to quit using the now quite lengthy and image-heavy email chain because it was threatening to crash the network.

[Juice]

I wish this place only had 50 people. I have no idea who any of these people are who were sending the emails. I hope I never meet them.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Taco

You can't say "Taco" here. The Reason Commentor/PC Police have deemed it racist.

[Juice]

What if I'm puttin on the Ritz?

[Res ipsa loquitur]

*sigh*

[Hyperion]

TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO TACO

Buttface is a clueless dumbfuck.

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

Buttface is a clueless dumbfuck.

Yeah, but, boy howdy, did he ever have your number upthread, ya Ditto-head Conservatard!

I mean, BUUUURN!!

[Hyperion]

Yeah, he really got me good. I have to lick my wounds and regroup here.

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

lick my wounds

Go on...

[OneOut]

That's because you called Rubio Lil Taco and by your design that is racist.

And you know it so quit trying to deflect.

And by they way. Show a link because we all know you have a reputation for making things up.

[JeremyR]

OT, but this is silly. An NFL player might be charged with a felony for barking at a police dog

http://www.wtae.com/news/oakla.....d/36365310

[F. Iron-Ass Stupidity, Jr.]

#BlackLabLivesMatter

[Crusty Juggler]

Taunting a police dog officer is a third-degree felony charge in Pennsylvania.

[Juice]

and a 15 yard penalty

[commodious spittoon]

The judge may offer to dismiss the charges if he marries the dog.

[F. Iron-Ass Stupidity, Jr.]

Superb callback.

[Hyperion]

What exactly is the charge?

[waffles]

The national anthem? This is a sporting event now?

I miss American Gladiators.

[Quincy.]

GOD BLESS MURKA!

[Butts Wagner]

Nitro shooting a tennis ball gun at the candidates as they run from podium to podium?

[F. Iron-Ass Stupidity, Jr.]

Nitro shooting a tennis ball gun at the candidates as they run from podium to podium?

Sounds like a threat
- P. Bharara

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Debacle

[Quincy.]

WHY YOU USE FRENCH WORD, COMMIE?

[Fist of Etiquette]

FOR CENTURIES FRENCH WAS THE LANGUAGE OF CULTURE.

[Quincy.]

FRENCH HAS NO WORD FOR ENTREPRENEUR, COMMIE!

[Rich]

Is this beating and clubbing a part of the dance?

[Phlogistan]

This just in... Jesse noticed woman in red dress.. Attempts to redirect attention with cryptic song reference

[Fist of Etiquette]

"In a world where Democrats want to turn America into the Soviet Union, eight men one of whom is a woman stands in their way..."

[Fist of Etiquette]

Lex Luthor is British now?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, Ted Cruz is in this?

[looks at program]

[Quincy.]

WHY IS A BRITFAG EXPLAINING HOW DEBATEZ WORK?

[Rich]

"If you go over your time, you'll hear this [***dingding***] and may continue."

[Quincy.]

"It sounds like a game show, but it's not." Sure.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Okay, I'm out. I'll wait until the experts recap what was said here tonight and then I'll bail on that, too.

[Rich]

"This scientific map shows how important the jobs issue is."

[commodious spittoon]

The Mistake that Broke the Berlin Wall

On Thursday, November 9, 1989, the Politburo decided to ease pressure by beginning to allow East Germans to travel in a controlled fashion to the West, after applying and receiving permission from the regime, to take effect after border guards had been retrained. Schabowski was given a note about the decision.

Schabowski announced at his 7pm press conference that East Germans would be permitted to visit the West, and a reporter (reportedly Tom Brokaw) asked when that would take effect. Schabowski paused, because the note had no details about that.

He then answered: "As far as I know ? effective immediately, without delay."

The press conference was shown on East German TV, and the news quickly spread. Thousands of East Berliners went to the Wall's border crossings and demanded that the border guards let them through. With no instructions and no one willing to use force, at 11:30pm, the secret police commander ordered the checkpoints opened.

You know that joke about how every crisis in Seinfeld would have been averted given modern cell phones and social media? It's neat to think about the historical episodes that would have turned out quite differently given modern innovations like 24/7 cable broadcasts... and then depressing to realize it's the world we're living in now.

[Phlogistan]

Schabowski! I Love that guy! There needs to be an international holiday in celebration of drunken miscommunications!

Schabowski would be its most glorious Icon.

[Rhywun]

"Let's focus on the economics of Missouri State football."

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Guys, Rubio's dad was a bartender.

[Rich]

A *successful* bartender.

[Hyperion]

Was he an authoritarian bartender? NO BOOZE FOR YOU!

[Quincy.]

And he carded Commodious Spittoon. Bastard.

[commodious spittoon]

The worst part? The girl bartending tonight is an exquisite brunette specimen. Never seen her there before. The only reason I didn't snark at her about the law (aside from the fact that she hasn't got a choice, really) is how stunning she was.

It doesn't make a whit of difference, but given the gremlins they usually keep behind the bar she'd have been some stellar eyecandy for the evening.

[Derpetologist]

*fewer* philosophers, damn it!

Majikthise and Vroomfondel have a sad.

[Rich]

It's modern English, D. Get over it.

[Derpetologist]

Eh? Thou speaketh most strangely, goode ser. Pray thee say once more in ye common tung.

[commodious spittoon]

I'm guessing it's a fewer/less thing, and it sticks in my craw too.

[Quincy.]

I want less grammar crime. I want to shoot fewer grammar criminals.

[Rhywun]

OHIO!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

And Kaisch's dad carried the mail. I'm impressed.

[Rich]

Is Kasich trying to shake off a booger, or what?

[Derpetologist]

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TJ: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing 'Hallelujah.'

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

ALL: Nope, nope..

[Hyperion]

My garsh, you would think that some of these poor children actually had to go to Yale! Ok, none of the stories were that bad.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

This Kaisch answer feels a lot longer than 90 seconds.

[Derpetologist]

Here we go with Kasich's pet phrase: at the end of the day

[Rich]

Wow, Kasich "stepped on every toe" in DC!

[Crusty Juggler]

My dad can beat up your dad.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"I'm a 'bator, I'm a hater. I'm a midnight innovator. I get my lovin' on the run."

[Rich]

Hey, welcome back, Fist!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Meh.

[Rich]

😎

[Palin's Buttplug]

Cruz: SOUND MONEY DERP! BLUB!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Cruz is really trying to zero in on the Ron Paul people.

[Hyperion]

Well, Rand won't do it, so someone has to.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

That would involve Rand having time to talk.

[Hyperion]

He's a radical extremist, he shouldn't be able to talk. For the children.

[Fist of Etiquette]

This is so boring. TALK ABOUT FIORINA'S FACE.

[Quincy.]

Her haircut frames it well.

[Crusty Juggler]

Why did Carly Fiorina sleep all day long?

She was a nightmare!

[Hyperion]

NO! Talk about her monkey tits and white girl ass! Just do it! Whoever does it has my vote!

[Rich]

Wouldn't you rather talk about her modest outfit?

I mean HP?

[Hyperion]

I just wanna know who gets the biggest war boner. And if not, at least who gets the biggest drug war boner. That's the guy I'm votin for, a real Murikan! Murika, fuck yeah!

[Palin's Buttplug]

WSJ Guy is bringing facts into this!

NO FAIR!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, she kind of sort of answered that question.

[Quincy.]

BRITFAG SPEAKS! THIS NO HAPPEN IN TRUMP'S MURICA!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Whoa, I think Carley is coming out of the closet!

[Rich]

Rand on income inequality. This ought be good.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Yeah, he went to "artificially low interest rates" like a dumbass.

[OneOut]

have you noticed yet that no one wants to have a conversation with you ?

[Hyperion]

These Republicans are boring me! I'm going all in for Bernie! FEEL THE BERN! TAKE THAT TRUDEAU, WE CAN OUTSTUPID YOU, YOU CANADIAN FUCK!

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's always the Fed's fault, isn't it, Rand?

[Rich]

Can you prove it's not?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yes, and let me explain how. First, we have to look at the American people as the engine of this economy and not a teat for bureaucrats to suckle upon. Second, we have to look at a government that doesn't know its place, that it works for the people and not the other way around. Third- [DING DING]

Can I finish? WILL YOU LET ME FINISH?

[Rich]

Fist 2016!

[Crusty Juggler]

Fist 2016: we won't always be the best, but we will always be the first.

[F. Iron-Ass Stupidity, Jr.]

Fist 2016: First in War, First in Peace, First in the AM Links.

[Fist of Etiquette]

And PM Links. I won't be lied about by the liberal media.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Rand is going full nutter on the Fed.

Gag.

[OneOut]

Do you have a link for that?

You have the reputation of making things up.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The worst answers are those that are anticipating the buzzer.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Not a bad strategy from Rand: dig at Team Blue, then pivot to the boring monetary stuff.

[Crusty Juggler]

Why would anyone take business advice from a couple of guineas?

[Juvenile Bluster]

Because they're so damned cute.

Wait, you're not talking about guinea pigs, are you.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What the what? I thought all the questions were economic tonight.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Carson gets to reveal in media victim hood. Lucky bastard.

[Palin's Buttplug]

revel.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Yes, typo.

[Rich]

rebel

[Fist of Etiquette]

Reveal scum.

[Crusty Juggler]

*revel

[Fist of Etiquette]

SUCCESSFUL WALL FOR PRESIDENT

[Rich]

Trump: "We're a country of laws."

Citation needed.

[Hyperion]

We will be a country of laws. And I'll pay for it!... I mean... the government will pay for ... I mean, someone from Heineken...

[Palin's Buttplug]

WHERE MY WALL GONE?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Thought Donald was going to reference East Germany there about walls working.

[Robert]

Darn, if the scripts here didn't keep crashing my browser...

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

I'll point out, the Berlin Wall was built to keep people in, not out - an important distinction, I think.

[lap83]

Good point

[OneOut]

Nah.

Most walls work both ways.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Just because Ohio doesn't have brown people Casey Kasich thinks he can speak about mass deportation. I SAY SHIP THEM TO SYRIA.

[Rhywun]

So... Germany?

[Fist of Etiquette]

No, the Syrians who've gone to Germany vacated houses that need new occupants. USE YOUR HEAD.

[Rich]

Jeb!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I do appreciate Kaisch challenging Trump on this issue.

[Hyperion]

I want the two of them to go full on who can out drug warrior the other. Drug warrior deathmatch.

[Fist of Etiquette]

CONTROL HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY LOST. Who would have thought it would be Kasich to break them.

[Robert]

Or you could ask in Berlin if a wall is effective.

[Hyperion]

Right now, they're having a sad that someone ruined their wall.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Fuck you, Jeb. The Donald isn't giving you the mic next debate.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Good answer from JEB!

[Rich]

Marco says we have billions of new regs each week. Huh?

[Hyperion]

He meant that he WANTS billions of new regs each week.

[Fist of Etiquette]

NEW AMERICAN CENTURY FOR PRESIDENT

[Crusty Juggler]

When will Cavuto ask who is everyone's favorite band?

[Hyperion]

I really cannot stand the sound of that guys voice. It's fucking awful

[Crusty Juggler]

He had cancer, and he has m.s., so while it would be improper to make fun of the man, I do have to say that his head is as big as sputnik.

[Hyperion]

None of that matters, he's a Republican. Attack away, comrades.

[Fist of Etiquette]

And Cruz fires the first salvo of the night at the press?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Misfire based on the muted reaction.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Rubio really benefits from Trump and Cruz being nativist shitheads. Makes his greatest weakness looks not so bad.

[Apatheist ?_??]

If I was going to put my money on anyone at this point it would be Rubio.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Whose father on this stage was a Cuban mailman who tends bar? That would be the winner.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Plots and schemes are the same thing.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Innovation has been "crushed" in the US?

What an idiot.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Walker is going to be Fiorina's running mate!

[buybuydandavis]

Reason Tweets: Open Borders Uber Alles!

[Rich]

A three-page tax code!

"What did you make? Send half of it in."

[Tejicano]

"We'll get back to you if we need the rest"

[Fist of Etiquette]

BOOM. The cancer card has officially been played.

[Rhywun]

First I'm hearing about it, actually. Of course I only pay half attention.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

What's the point of the beeper if she's going to keep talking an extra 45 seconds?

[Fist of Etiquette]

On the way to commercial Rand Paul went to the moderators to remind them he's still there.

[Hyperion]

It's Fox, they hate Rand and everyone knows it. If you're going to be the libertarian in the fight, you start out knowing everyone on both sides hate your guts and you build your strategy from there. Rand knew or should have from square one that he's not going to have a fair chance and to just come out swinging. I don't get it.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Everyone got to speak in that segment except Rand Paul.

[Hyperion]

Radical extremists have no place in debates!

[Apatheist ?_??]

I guess the benefit of Rand dropping out soon would be removing any remaining temptation to watch these things. I can tune out entirely till the LP nominates someone and I can see if they are worth voting for.

[Hyperion]

I don't understand how Rand could think that he was ever going to get a fair chance. The establishment of both sides hate libertarians with a burning passion. Libertarians threaten their authoritah. He has to accept that, embrace it and fight like a warrior. He doesn't seem to have it in him.

Oh well, it's better that he'll remain in the Senate.

[Quincy.]

13 minutes until its over! Whee!

[Rhywun]

You misspelled 73.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Carly's doing a good job.

[Quincy.]

Sure, why not?

[Apatheist ?_??]

A Michael Bay Benghazi movie? Lol.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Benghazi movie? I hope it has a happy ending.

[Tejicano]

I can only expect it will. After all the time they have been jerking us around on the issue the payoff should be epic.

[Quincy.]

9 minutes left!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Of what?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Dr. Carson is his own anesthesiologist.

[Quincy.]

God has better things to do.

[Rich]

"A question for all: Why should tax be a *rate*?"

[Apatheist ?_??]

"Thanks for including me in the tax debate."

Damn Paul sounded bitter.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Getting rid of the payroll tax would be sweet.

[Hyperion]

Like I said, Rand started out with the false belief that he was going to be given a fair chance by the media and the establishment elite. After all, he was a good guy and supported Turtlehead right? Have you learned anything, Rand?

[Apatheist ?_??]

Getting rid of the payroll tax would be sweet.

[Crusty Juggler]

Senator Paul, do you regret your decision to wear a mock, black turtleneck as frequently as possible?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The tackleneck.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Shut up. You were supposed to leave an hour ago.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Snoozers are losers.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

It's a tactleneck.

[Crusty Juggler]

Getting rid of the payroll tax would be sweet.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Maria's look suggested didn't like Paul's answer. HIS TAX PLAN DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF WOMEN LIKE THEY WANT. (Go ahead, try to find something sexist in that comment. I DARE YOU.)

[Apatheist ?_??]

Getting rid of the payroll tax would be sweet.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Paul 14.5% flat tax!

Cruz 10% flat tax!

[Apatheist ?_??]

Cruz's corporate tax would be 16% though and his still includes a bunch of bullshit social engineering credits

Plus it looks like his corporate tax is worse than now on what it applies to if I'm reading it right.

[Apatheist ?_??]

So Cruz's tax plan has a 16% tariff in it? Fuck that shit.

[Apatheist ?_??]

So Cruz's tax plan has a 16% tariff in it? Fuck that shit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Abolish the IRS? You're overreaching! No one's going to believe you can do that.

[Rich]

Cruz just pulled a Perry.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I liked Paul's answer but does he have to deliver it like Ben Stein?

[Crusty Juggler]

So Cruz's tax plan has a 16% tariff in it? Fuck that shit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Jeb Bush: Name Dropper

[Apatheist ?_??]

So Cruz's tax plan has a 16% tariff in it? Fuck that shit.

How about a squirrel tax?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Did Jeb! write this nice young couple a check to start up this business? Because we all know he could.

[RAHeinlein]

I refuse to access Twitter (with the exception of IowaHawk), but am watching the debate - Ted Cruz wants to eliminate the following.

Internal Revenue Services ? end the political targeting, simplify the tax code, and abolish the IRS as we know it.
Department of Education ? return education to those who know our students best: parents, teachers, local communities, and states. And block-grant education funding to the states.
Department of Energy ? cut off the Washington Cartel, stop picking winners and losers, and unleash the energy renaissance.
Department of Commerce ? close the "congressional cookie jar" and promote free-enterprise and free trade for every business.
Department of Housing and Urban Development ? offer real solutions to lift people out of hardship, rather than trapping families in a cycle of poverty, and empower Americans by promoting the dignity of work and reforming programs such as Section 8 housing.

[Rich]

Marco just did a sweet Freudian slip.

[Rhywun]

He talks too fast and without thinking.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I like Marco Rubio. When he says nothing he says it fast.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Boom goes Rand.

Credits are welfare.

[Rhywun]

Pro-family tax code. The more these idiots yap, the more social engineering comes forth.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Jeb Bush just lost his one thing to Paul: Rubio's archenemy.

[Apatheist ?_??]

ISOLATIONIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Apatheist ?_??]

ISOLATIONIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Marco's got a war boner.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Milwaukeeans applauding beheadings.

[Apatheist ?_??]

CRUCIFYING CHRISTIANS! EVIL CHINA!!! HURR DURR DURRRRRR

[Apatheist ?_??]

CRUCIFYING CHRISTIANS! EVIL CHINA!!! HURR DURR DURRRRRR

[Palin's Buttplug]

Rubio sucks ass.

[Apatheist ?_??]

I swear to go I'm not double clicking.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Maybe you should start.

[Fist of Etiquette]

HOW CAN THEY APPLAUD BOTH OF THEM???

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Oh this is good.

[Rhywun]

Paul just had his best moment of the last 4 debates.

[Brochettaward]

Yea, but did you hear those platitudes that Fiorina just threw out there? Which do you think the Republican voter buys?

[GILMORE?]

On what? did people actually cheer?

[Brochettaward]

No, they didn't. It was dead in the audience. It was on military spending. They cheered Marco's response that you can't even have an economy if we aren't safe and protected. There are Islamic Jihadists cutting off heads and something about China and the South China Sea. There won't be any free trade anymore!

Paul then called out Trump talking out of his ass a bit later on.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ted Cruz swoops in to save the day with a bumper sticker.

[Brochettaward]

Cruz going after farm subsidies. I'm actually kind of shocked.

[SIV]

Why? Would you be shocked if Hillary supported trade unions? If Lindsey Graham supported increased military funding? If Rand Paul wanted to audit the Federal Reserve?

Ron and Rand both endorsed and campaigned for Cruz in his Senate Primary run.

[Apatheist ?_??]

How much bigger is military spending than sugar subsidies? 1000x more? 100000x more?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Carly's handlers need to get her at the commercial break to ease off the mics.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Hey John, see what I meant when I called Cruz a useless pandering piece of shit?

[DenverJ]

Gerry em Rand! Let's see how the Republicans applaud cutting military

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Zero based budgeting.

I'm falling in love with her all over again.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Trump is a uniter!

[Apatheist ?_??]

I'll make the military YUGER than ever!

[Fist of Etiquette]

SUCK IT, KASICH.

[Rhywun]

"Who are you and what are you doing here?"

[Crusty Juggler]

Did Rand just cause massive, libertarian arousal with one remark?

[Fist of Etiquette]

My breeches suddenly got tight.

[Hyperion]

WTF did he say? Did he take my advice and make fun of Carly's monkey tits and white gurl ass? Please tell me it's true.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'm beginning to suspect Donald Trump might be all bluster and no substance.

[Rich]

What gave it away?

[Rhywun]

Good one.

[Phlogistan]

Why are the woomanz keeping Robbie's drink out of his reach?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Point on the trade agreement where China touched you, Donny.

[GILMORE?]

China wasn't on the TPP

[GILMORE?]

I see everyone in the twitters also noted this. I'm not watching the debate... So Donald thought the TPP was with China? That's not .... uh.... exactly bolstering his "IM THE FREAKING BLACKBELT CHESS-GRANDMASTER OF THIS TRADE SHIT STUFF"-claims.

[Fist of Etiquette]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Rand Paul just made a powerful enemy.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

FFS people, some of us are sane and don't know what's being said. Recap, baby!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Trump went off, at length and quite passionately, on the TPP and how China was going to benefit from it at America's expense. Rand Paul pointed out that China isn't part of the agreement.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Uh, yeah, I got that. Pfft.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Rand Paul gained some respect from the moderators?

[Crusty Juggler]

Some of them are Italians and cannot be trusted.

[Hyperion]

Anyone playing FO4?

[Rich]

Kasich?

[Hyperion]

Kasich isn't intelligent enough to play a PC game! Please get serious!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Get out of here with that shite, dummy. There's an intellectual discussion going on here.

[Hyperion]

Really, you think there's something going on here more serious than FO4? Please enlighten me as to what that is? Did Trump fart on stage or something?

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I'm about to play some more Phantom Pain. Need to get the cure for that plague.

[DenverJ]

Trump is confused. I have a huge imbalance with the grocery store: They don't buy shit from me.

[Quincy.]

Bastards.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You're a terrible negotiator.

[lap83]

The grocery store has a union so it's America in that scenario. So that makes it okay

[Equinsu Ocha]

Yes, but your employer probably has an even bigger trade deficit with you.

If you have a trade deficit with the rest of the world you're on the road to ruin.

[Quincy.]

I wanna buy a Chinese made Tactile-Neck.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Rand is having his best debate so far.

[Palin's Buttplug]

True.

[Hyperion]

Wow, this is totally unexpected. Can I get details?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

He challenged Rubio on the fiscal wisdom of spending trillions on social engineering and the military, pointed that high debt is a national security issue as much as an economic one, and made Trump look like an ass when he interrupted his rant on China by pointing out that China is not party to the TPP and is actually opposed to it.

He even turned it into a lecture on restraining executive power and restoring checks and balances. Solid stuff.

[Hyperion]

Did the braindead voting hordes notice any of that?

[Gene]

I think we all know the unfortunate answer to that.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

How is Hillary doing ?

[Rich]

With regard to the FBI investigation?

[Phlogistan]

WDATPDIM

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Rand Paul just filibustered that commercial break. He even got them to cue out the going to commercial music.

[gaijin]

he seems to be doing well tonight.

[OneOut]

This is the first real debate I have ever seen.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I know Luntz is just doing his job, but I really want to shoot the messenger.

Marco Rubio just crushed Rand Paul. 20 of our #GOPDebate group picked Rubio, 7 picked Rand

"America must be strongest" hit 90 on the dials

[gaijin]

"America must be strongest" hit 90 on the dials and I am willing to pay more in taxes...

Wonder how that polls

[Hyperion]

Well, how many of them will admit that they just picked Rubio cause he's the son of a poor taco munching commie!?

[Palin's Buttplug]

Stupid GOP base is big on sloganeering.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Ah, that stupid fuck Luntz, hating on the Pauls for 8 damn years now.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I've gone too deep into Twitter. I'm now seeing David Frum tweets. Frum!

"How is it conservative to support motherhood and a strong national defense?" Thanks, Rand.

[Apatheist ?_??]

You know who else supported motherhood and a strong national defense?

[Rhywun]

Yes.

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

Mia Hamm?

[Equinsu Ocha]

Japanese soldiers in Korea?

[GILMORE?]

I finally turned it on because people say Rand is getting actual TV time and some points.... and carson sounds like he took too much cold medication. Which is to say, like he normally does.

[SIV]

Rand isn't playing the defense cut game right. Conservatives are open and supporting of defense cuts when it's portrayed as foreign aid to pussy countries don't pay for their own defense or hostile ones that burn our flag.

Pointing out the PC shit in the military also helps, like the "green fleet" biodiesel-powered Navy.

[Apatheist ?_??]

That shit is a drop in the bucket and not a serious suggestion for cutting the military.

[Phlogistan]

omg omg mericans being turned into yeehaadee's!

[DenverJ]

Carson sounded confused

[Hyperion]

I can't even imagine that.

[Apatheist ?_??]

CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA

[Crusty Juggler]

People, when you pull-out it leaves a void. Never pull-out. Remember that.

[Hyperion]

Well, sometimes you gotta, cause your arms going to sleep and you want a pizza.

[gaijin]

BUt someone will fill that void.... eventually

[Fist of Etiquette]

Just let Trump talk. The more he speaks the clearer things become.

[GILMORE?]

You pretty much said what i did. He's talking incoherently about Ukraine when the question was about Syria. He's doing Free-Association.

[Hyperion]

Do you think his brainless chearleaders actually pay attention to what he says? They don't have a clue.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Trump is insane. I don't mean that in a vague insult kind of way. I mean he almost assuredly meets DSM criteria for a multitude of mental illnesses.

[GILMORE?]

Trump answered a question about Syria by blathering about North Korea and China and the Ukraine

I'm turning this shit back off.

[DenverJ]

BOOOSH thinks Islamic terrorism is the biggest threat to America. Jesus, who told this guy he could win by running for his brother's third term?

[Palin's Buttplug]

He is a BOOOSH.

Trump is making him look sane though.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

The worst contract signed ever? I dunno Donald, what about that time share in Myrtle Beach?

[Palin's Buttplug]

Trump is losing big tonight.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Lol moderate islamist.

[Rhywun]

"A moderate, uh, Islamist."

Oh, Jeb. Pack it in already.

[Crusty Juggler]

When are we going to officially start another proxy war with Russia?

[gaijin]

Started about two years ago

[Rich]

"Officially"? How quaint!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Wounded warriors, whom Trump loves*...

*John McCain not included

[Crusty Juggler]

Did you just call John McCain a weekend warrior? Strange way to treat an American hero...

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

JEB! mistakes Monopoly for Risk.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Well their foreign policy does seem to be playing Risk with monopoly money.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Ukraine is game to Jeb.

[Rhywun]

The Ukraine is weak.

[Apatheist ?_??]

You know who else has a lot of oil? We do, don't need to go around taking it from elsewhere.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is Fiorina bragging that she boinked Putin?

[Quincy.]

He wishes he could boink so fine.

[Rich]

Carly vs Hillary -- MEOWW!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Trump is actually making a ton of sense--mostly--on staying out of the clusterfucks that are Syria and Libya.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Carly is rachet.

[Apatheist ?_??]

We spend more on our military than the next 9 countries combined, I think we've managed to spend enough.

[Fist of Etiquette]

BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN, SHE KEEPS INTERRUPTING

[Rich]

BOSSY!

[DenverJ]

Carly wants to stay a war with Russia. What a smart lady.

[Hyperion]

Well, I mean who doesn't want to die in a nice nuclear holocaust? For Murika! And the children!

[Rich]

RESET!

[Apatheist ?_??]

Trump with the assist for Paul?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cheers for not arming ISIS. Good for that much, I guess.

[SIV]

Rand gets beat up by a girl, Trump makes the save.

[DenverJ]

Yeah Rand!

[Palin's Buttplug]

ISRAEL!

Rubio scored big time on the Luntz-meter.

[Apatheist ?_??]

US military spending per year: $581 billion
Russia military spending per year: $70 billion

Who are the gangsters stealing from the populace to build up the military again?

[gaijin]

Well their economy is a mess...unlike...oh wait

[Crusty Juggler]

Yeah, you name me one problem with the f-35 program.

[Apatheist ?_??]

The debate over military spending with these fucks is just so far from reality its insane. We spend a fuck ton more than everyone. It's so goddamn retarded.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Poor Kasich. All he gets is a China question. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[american socialist]

So, From left-to-right I've got drug warrior neocon, neocon, neocon, vanity candidate (and smartest one of the bunch), crazy religious extremist, joe McCarthy wannabe, failed CEO who touts her business experience as qualification for being President, somewhat interesting candidate going no where.

This is the libertarian moment? When are we going to start with the plaintive arguments that one of these turds is necessary to promote freedom? April or so?

[Apatheist ?_??]

Fuck off you murderous fuck.

[Crusty Juggler]

Carly was just double-teamed.

[Palin's Buttplug]

"DP" is the correct abbreviation.

[DenverJ]

Rubio would be alright if he would give up his war boner

[SIV]

No he wouldn't. He's a Bush clone and owes everything to Sheldon Adelson

[Rhywun]

And the social engineering

[Palin's Buttplug]

Rubio is awful. He is an Aborto-Freak and Drug Warrior too.

[SIV]

I know Paki immigrants and ethnic Paki native born Americans. None of them say Pock-y-stahn like Rubio and Obama.

[Rich]

"That's 'PockySTEEN'."

[Rhywun]

Pock-y-stan is the new Guttar.

(There is a frequent commercial lately where the dude says Pock-y-stang all French-like at the end. Catch up, people.)

[Fist of Etiquette]

SO KASICH HAS REPLACED CHRISTIE AS THE OBAMA-HUGGER ON THE STAGE

[Rhywun]

Was he at the kids' table? I wonder who "won".

[Crusty Juggler]

The caterer.

[Rhywun]

Zing.

[gaijin]

kasich...ramble on.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I wonder if even Kasich can envision a Kasich presidency.

[DenverJ]

Kasich shouldn't be president, but he should be the replacement for Reince.

[DenverJ]

Preince? You know, the black guy in charge of the Republican Party.

[Crusty Juggler]

I will be the first to say it: I miss Becky Quick.

[Rich]

Replace the Brit with Yasmin Garcia.

[Apatheist ?_??]

So is this brit dude a dirty immigrant? They should ask Trump about that.

[gaijin]

dirty immigrant?

his personal hygiene is beyond reproach. he does speak like Piers Morgan however

[Apatheist ?_??]

We've been letting these gnarly toothed, tea-sipping weirdos into our country for too long. I mean I'm sure some of them are good people. Make America Great Again!

[Palin's Buttplug]

JEB! is an idiot. Dodd-Frank raised capital requirements significantly.

[commodious spittoon]

Is this circus still going? Has Paul thrown up his hands and walked off the stage?

[Apatheist ?_??]

He's done well and fought for time. It's the first debate I've felt worth watching. It's been less of a clown show in general too (the atmosphere and moderation not the stupid shit they are saying).

[commodious spittoon]

Well, shit. Now I wish I'd watch.

Ah, well. I'm sure Reason will have eight recaps up by mid-afternoon.

[DenverJ]

Watching on line and just came back from commercial 40 minutes ago. Ted cruze talking about immigration. Is tv the same?

[Apatheist ?_??]

No. That was like 40 minutes ago.

[DenverJ]

That was well composed. I mean, the program came back from commercial and started playing the program from 40 minutes ago.

[Quincy.]

Whatever, Commie.

[DenverJ]

You wouldn't know a Commie from a pissfarm

[DenverJ]

Oh wait, was that you? I'm a little buzzed. Maybe that home was somebody else.
Nevermind, carry on.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Someone dropped a nickel in Kasich's slot.

[Quincy.]

Kinky.

[Rich]

"The Bernie Sanders"! Beautiful!

[gaijin]

Kasich: Greed on wall street is a problem...

Lehman Brothers alum would know

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cruz accepted applause for something some woman did in court.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Look he's totally not a panderer Fist. You're just a cosmotarian for pointing out his own words and actions.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Does Cavuto have money in Bank of America?

[Rhywun]

Heh

[Rich]

Nice!

[Palin's Buttplug]

The LOOSENED in 2008 Q3, Cruz, you idiot.

[Palin's Buttplug]

The Fed loosened.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cruz's speaking style doesn't do well in this format.

[Quincy.]

WHY YOU HATE GOLD STANDARD?

[Apatheist ?_??]

Kasich: fuck principles!

[Rich]

Except for guiding Wall Street!

[american socialist]

And the Great Depression, and 15 or so panics from 1776-1930 that make the Great Recession look like a tea party.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Fuck off.

[Hyperbolical (wadair)]

The Great Depression was made worse by government intervention.

[Fist of Etiquette]

No one wants to watch Kasich and Cruz argue. For fuck sake, even Fox Biz should recognize this ratings sinker.

[Apatheist ?_??]

God Rand needs to jump in now on this debate instead of Cruz's bloviating bullshit and side stories.

[Rich]

Kasich is booed for a Bernieism.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kasich's going to means test bailouts? Is that what I heard?

[Rich]

"I misspoke!"

[gaijin]

well if you are a hard working person who has put your life savings in the bank, you have nothing to fear.

[Fist of Etiquette]

WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND YOU'RE LETTING THE WOMAN SPEAK? Break out the back of your hand, Cavuto.

[Crusty Juggler]

"What are your thoughts on Bofa?"

"Bofa?"

"Bofa deez nuts!"

[Rich]

"Ammo?"

"Ammo guano cut yo face!"

[DenverJ]

Carly just blamed GWB for the housing bubble!

[Palin's Buttplug]

BOOOSH!

NO FAIR!

[DenverJ]

Rather, she blamed both R's and D's for the bubble, and GWB for popping it.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Pope Francis against climate change commercial. Wtf?

[Rhywun]

Uh... wrap it up?

[Crusty Juggler]

"you better wrap that gavel up, b."

[Rhywun]

Wrap it up.

[Apatheist ?_??]

How does being First Spouse count as experience in government?

[Rich]

Just *think* of the pillow talk!

[Fist of Etiquette]

OMG I JUST REALIZED HOW BIG RUBIO'S EARS ARE. I can't possibly vote for that.

[Rhywun]

Jesus you're right.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Isn't that a requirement for the presidency these days though? Think of the political cartoonists Fist!

[DenverJ]

Plus, you could save money by getting rid of the NSA! The president can just hear everything himself!

[Quincy.]

Woot, the finale! Giggity!

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Hillary Clinton is inevitable. How are you going to fight that?"

[Reek]

Trump's foreign policy answers have been far from ideal, but still MUCH better than everyone but Paul.

And I never thought we'd see him actually come to Paul's defense like that. Fuck Carly Fiorina

[american socialist]

OMG... All these Republicans want to do something for the pools because rich liberal elites want to keep Social Security. What a bunch of sad sack sob stories. Grow some balls for crying out loud... I'm a libertarian. What do I care about the social security benefits for poor grandma?

[Apatheist ?_??]

Fuck off.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Everyone in this country is a descendant of immigrants. The intelligent, the brave, the adventurous.

How in the fuck did you get here?

[GILMORE?]

" All these Republicans want to do something for the pools"

Huh, what? No, i won't let you clean my pool. You don't speak English as well as most Mexicans.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Well Rand just lost the young earth creationists.

[SIV]

That's not a political issue to the ones who vote

[Apatheist ?_??]

Thanks for taking my comment seriously. Though I'm surprised they manage to drag their knuckles to the voting booth.

[SIV]

Pointa to Paul for saying DemocRAT Party

[Quincy.]

Yay!

[Apatheist ?_??]

Lol an API commercial right after the last question before the break was on energy. I look forward to internet conspiracy people saying the question was planted by big oil.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Elizabeth N. Brown @enbrown

First thing my brother-in-law has ever tweeted at me: my sister is angry about my opinion on @MariaBartiromo's broach

If he was any kind of man he'd be angry at you for the misspelling.

[SIV]

Elizabeth should be kicked to the streets to sell apples or matches in competition with Lucy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kasich got an early buzzer.

[Apatheist ?_??]

So did I miss it or did nobody mention 9/11 tonight?

[Rhywun]

Zip it.

There's a certain midwestern state I can't believe didn't get a mention.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Yeah Paul should have mentioned North Dakota in his energy policy response.

[Rhywun]

Tomorrow's MSM headlines: "Republicans Ignore a Hurting Nation"

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

9/11

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cruz's old man flew on a ferry boat?

[Quincy.]

Ekratoplan!

[Fist of Etiquette]

tedcruz.org looking for page views.

[Fist of Etiquette]

HOLY HELL HIS EARS GOT BIGGER OVER THE COMMERCIAL BREAK

[Fist of Etiquette]

Carson was a downer.

[Rhywun]

"Carson showed more energy."

Wut?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Forget it, Rhywun. It's Foxtown.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Rhywun]

Somewhere Kennedy is narrowing her gaze.

[Rhywun]

Oh, shit that IS Lou Dobbs. Never mind.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Subtle dig at CNBC by Cavuto at the end.

[DenverJ]

Subtle? Sarcasm?

[Apatheist ?_??]

"Carson showed more energy."

What is this guy smoking?

[Apatheist ?_??]

Ok this guy is certifiably retarded, Carson 1 and Fiorina 2. What was he watching?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Something that gives you energy?

[Crusty Juggler]

Tell us what it all means, Welch.

[Crusty Juggler]

when that show starts later tonight, of course.

[Apatheist ?_??]

What is he going on? I have nothing in particular I want to watch right now.

[Crusty Juggler]

He is going on Stossel but I think that is 12 pacific time.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Looks like that is the replay, the live version is coming up next at 11 CT.

[__Warren__]

Ride that 'stache Welchie!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Don't make it weird.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

He's had too much jug wine. If he even drinks anymore.

If not, I might need to donate to his rehab fund.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

AKA 12 regular time.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Jesus Christ, these people are idiots.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Yeah, the commenting has really gone downhill.

[commodious spittoon]

MU professor Melissa Click apologizes, resigns her courtesy appointment with the School of Journalism:

"Yesterday was an historic day at MU ? full of emotion and confusion. I have reviewed and reflected upon the video of me that is circulating, and have written this statement to offer both apology and context for my actions," Click, an assistant professor in the Department of Communication, said in a statement released Tuesday afternoon by the College of Arts and Science.

"I have reached out to the journalists involved to offer my sincere apologies and to express regret over my actions. I regret the language and strategies I used, and sincerely apologize to the MU campus community, and journalists at large, for my behavior, and also for the way my actions have shifted attention away from the students' campaign for justice," the statement said.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Classic.

[commodious spittoon]

MU assistant professor Melissa Click

[commodious spittoon]

MU assistant Department of Communication professor Melissa Click

If there's ever been a mountain made of a molehill, she is it.

[Crusty Juggler]

I'd like to mountain her molehill, if you know what I mean.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I just got here, but I assume you're talking about anal.

[__Warren__]

She can get my muscle, if you know what I mean. .

[Rhywun]

Jesus people stop. It.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

He meant "He can get my muscle"

[commodious spittoon]

I'LL STOP WHEN I'M GOOD AND READY.

Okay. But not because you said so.

[__Warren__]

I'll give her empty space some column inches, if you can see what I'm getting at.

[commodious spittoon]

Okay, that made me laugh.

[Equinsu Ocha]

You must not value your muscle very much.

[GILMORE?]

"I regret the language and strategies I used'

BUT MY INTENTIONS WERE RIGHTEOUS

[__Warren__]

There's a difference between regret and remorse.

[commodious spittoon]

One involves an apology, the other asking for forgiveness. Somehow I doubt she's interested in begging anyone's forgiveness. Consistency is admirable, I suppose, but she has no business instructing students.

[commodious spittoon]

Nor the ultimate outcome, intimidating a journalist to the point of departure and thereby maintaining narrative supremacy or whatever she and they were wailing about.

[DenverJ]

You know, it's fun to bust these people on their... what? batshit inanity?.... tonight i had a moment when i saw them clearly. And I saw evil.
These are the kinds of people, who, when they gain power, systematically murder millions of people for wrong think.

[GILMORE?]

Did any of them ever actually articulate the "Why" they wanted to completely remove any kind of journalist presence from their protest?

Its an odd-combination = trying to use the media to force change on society through protests... then insisting that the Media has no right to actually pay attention to them.

[commodious spittoon]

As far as I'd heard they wanted to prevent the media from crafting a "false narrative" about the event. I don't know if that's why this particular cow joined in or whether everyone involved just saw reporters as outsiders who needed to be confronted.

[GILMORE?]

" they wanted to prevent the media from crafting a "false narrative" about the event. "

And by "False Narrative" they mean.... "Any Other Narrative" than the one they cobbled together from alleged 'racist' incidents which no one can prove actually happened.

[commodious spittoon]

To be honest, corralling media and keeping them away from your soft underbelly is probably the way to go about it if you handle it a little more deftly than these chumps. The easiest way to lose credibility as a movement is to allow the nobody pissants in your ranks camera time to air their grievances directly, especially with a crew of untethered malcontents like liberal arts students. It's the Occupy spectacle all over again.

[DenverJ]

That's where I had my moment of clarity. They don't even want to manipulate the media anymore.
It's like A Tale of Two Cities. I don't know how to explain my flash of vision.
They want to form a mob, and to have that mob's demands accepted without question, and, no, the press will not be allowed to record the mob's actions and decision making, but must trumpet the mob's judgments.

[Cytotoxic]

This is why we own guns.

[DenverJ]

Sure. But they're not stupid enough to just call for Marshall law. Instead, the totalitarianists have adapted a long term strategy. Ratcheting strategy i think it's called.
My twelve gage is... what it is. The second amendment as a bulwark against government aggression is useless against a modern army.
What prevents total tyranny in the US is the reluctance of the military to fire on their own people.

[commodious spittoon]

I could make a Kent State joke here, but that's just tasteless.

[Cytotoxic]

"The second amendment as a bulwark against government aggression is useless against a modern army."

I call that statement out. If an armed population were to rise up on a large scale, that alone would be extremely difficult for that modern army to take care of even if it didn't hesitate to fire on its own people. Modern armies are very expensive for one thing. Syria's army may not be modern, but it still should not have lost as badly as it has in the Syrian Revolution.

[Apatheist ?_??]

Notre Dame in the top 4, good lord.

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

I love how Alabama, who lost to a shit-ass Ole Miss team, is sitting at #2 ahead of undefeated Ohio State, Baylor, Iowa, and OK State.

[GILMORE?]

ok, i'll tune in for the Stossel show

Is the Headline-takeaway = Trump is done? and people are now actually going to start seriously weighing who is left? I am just guessing, as i watched all of 30 seconds.

[__Warren__]

Trump's supporters are mainly idiots. Is it even possible that they would notice a bad debate performance from him?

[SIV]

Trump supporters haven't given him a nickle. Jeb! supporters have donated $100 million+

WHO'S THE REAL IDIOTS?

[Apatheist ?_??]

Trump supporters haven't given him a nickle.

Except this is a lie.

[GILMORE?]

""Trump's supporters are mainly idiots""

I'm not sure that matters. Most people are idiots. Even idiots get tired of a bad joke after a while.

As i said, i'm not basing it on anything in the debate because i didn't see the debate. i think he's just eventually got to play out.

[__Warren__]

He has to as his negs are so high. I forget who posted it but his net positive is really low and his support growth is likely capped at this point. As others drop out he's not getting those supporters so unless a massive abandoned salt mine full of mole people is discovered he has no more place to grow.

So as a percentage he's going to drop and drop.

[__Warren__]

Or rather his inevitable lone opponent will grow and grow.

[Sevo]

No luv for Donald here, but

"__Warren__|11.10.15 @ 11:47PM|#
Trump's supporters are mainly idiots. Is it even possible that they would notice a bad debate performance from him?"

So he's a valid competitor to Hilary?
I mean, AFAIK, Donald hasn't destroyed evidence in a criminal proceeding, and the shril-bots seem perfectly able to ignore that.

[Apatheist ?_??]

What does Hillary have to do with Trump supporters being idiots?

[Sevo]

Apatheist ?_??|11.11.15 @ 12:00AM|#
"What does Hillary have to do with Trump supporters being idiots?"

You missed this?
"So he's a valid competitor to Hilary?"

[SIV]

The Tweet box just magically appeared on my screen. ENB is prattling on about who is a Millenial. She claims to be one and says 20 y/os are Millenials too. How did those precious snowflakes end up with a 25+ year generation when the GenX crowd barely gets 15? Boomers have a nice 18-19 year spread that at least makes some sort of sense.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Do you want me to clear your lawn of these people?

[SIV]

Please do.

FWIW, you can Google up a list of "Generation X filmmakers" of the 5 or so all but one are older than me. The young one is around Nick's age. They're all Boomers and they all probably own a bunch of Lou Reed records on vinyl.

[Crusty Juggler]

That monster! I am officially calling for the Koch brothers to dismiss her immediately.

[lap83]

Where are you getting the 25 years from, she isn't 45 is she?

[lap83]

Anyway, the definition I have seen most often for it is the generation that reached young adulthood in the new millennium. Someone born in 95 wouldn't qualify and the span of time should actually be less than either gen x or the boomers. That said, it's just a construct people made up. So opinions are going to differ widely. It's kind of BS

[SIV]

No, I was thinking of the seemingly wide range of people called or claiming to be millennials vs the narrow time frame for Gen X.. They haven't named the next two generations yet, have they?

[lap83]

Wikipedia has an entry for generation z as well as millennials. The funny thing is they define gen Z 's birth year range as starting before many accounts say that millenials birth year range ends. That indicates to me that it's pretty damn arbitrary

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

Boomers 1945-1963
GenX 1963-1985
Millennial 1985-2001
9/11 Babies 2001-Present

Is this not the standard breakdown?

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

I think the GenX/Millennial split may be a bit earlier than 1985... like 1982 or so.

Either way, they're all pretty much 16-19 years.

[Alice Bowie]

Somebody on the Bill Maher show put it perfectly the other day.

In the Republican space, it appears that the comment section of the internet is running for president.

[Sevo]

Alice Bowie|11.10.15 @ 11:52PM|#
"In the Republican space, it appears that the comment section of the internet is running for president."

As opposed to the D space where the contest is between a criminal and someone who thinks you ought to have to find toilet tissue on the black market?
Hmmm. Let's see.

[GILMORE?]

Is Stossel thing on FBN?, because Cruz is still yapping

[Rhywun]

Guess not. I'm done.

[SIV]

Somebody's Twitter pic looks like she's trying not to gag until she can get to the bathroom and spit.

[SIV]

How have I never seen this wonderful motion picture until now?

[GILMORE?]

This is also the first time i've heard of it.

good cast.

[GILMORE?]

Possible answer =

It was never a wide-release in the US... got delayed or something then only a partial release?

....and.... after some poking around... it seems like that's it

"Leonard Maltin has commented that the film was "shelved by its studio, [then] sporadically released in [the USA in] 1985". According to Senses of Cinema, the film was "produced under the aegis of David Begelman's troubled reign at MGM/UA, Eureka (1983) was shelved for almost two years and then dumped into a handful of cities".

So hardly anyone saw it, and then there was little demand to bring it out on VHS for whatever reason.

There is another great 1980s movie i found that was like this = The Beast of War (aka "The Beast")

it's a grade A production. About *80s Afghanistan*.... and actors actually speak Russian & Pashto... somehow, it never got released. Worth checking out.

[Buddy Bizarre]

I remember seeing "The Beast" on cable back in the 80's I guess. Pretty good when the Afghani's were portrayed as heroes fighting Soviet oppression. Now... eh.

[GILMORE?]

It seems like they're sucking time from the "Libertarian" after-show just like they short-changed Rand in the debates.

[DenverJ]

Is this thread dead? I didn't like Cruz, still don't like the way he talks, like a southern Baptist preacher, kinda shifty sounding. But he's saying all the right things against cronyism and corruption.

[Cytotoxic]

Cruz gets slammed a lot in these parts for 'pandering' which is dumb because he's a POLITICIAN THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. He should get slammed for saying dumb stuff like 'we should elect judges' and 'Atheism is bad'. And for having a face that looks punchable, like he's always taking a painful dump.

Fact is, his stance on subsidies and ethanol subsidies in particular is very bold and righteous. His whole energy package is excellent.

[SIV]

Cruz has his faults but he was enthusiastically supported by Rand and hid old many race in his GOP Senate primary race. That's a solid endorsement of his "constitutional conservative"* cred.

*Literal vs political. Ron Paul never ran around campaigning for hacks.

[Cytotoxic]

Rand has since clearly soured on Cruz. His showboat/substance ratio is bad.

[Equinsu Ocha]

His voice always reminds me of Rev. Lovejoy from the Simpsons.

[JeremyR]

More like Mr Haney from Green Acres (also looks like a younger version of him)

[GILMORE?]

Rand Paul was ranked the debate winner by men according to FBN polling on facebook

[GILMORE?]

oh, and after they released that data-point, cavuto immediately changed the subject to something else ASAP

[Cytotoxic]

Link? I am very curious to see this. Would love to witness Rand's 'El Alamein'

[GILMORE?]

It was mentioned during the broadcast. Maybe you can find it at FBN's website

[Cytotoxic]

I'm not saying you're wrong but I cannot deal with their hash of a website. Terrible design I am just not in the mood for a search tonight in such a rats nest.

[GILMORE?]

So FBN apparently feels it is more in viewer's interests to listen to lots of of self-congratulation about how well they ran the debate than actually cut to any of the Stossel after-show that they'd mentioned was coming

[Sevo]

No comment on FBN's bait-and-switch, but in the interim, I found this example of false advertising:
"Michigan is Becoming the Next Great Tech Hub"
http://www.michiganbusiness.or.....20866117_0
I can't tell you how many techies I've spoken with in SF who have told me they're dying to move to Michigan and shovel snow! Yep, standing in line at the train station, they are!

[MSimon]

Check Chicago and Rt123 in Mass.

The worlds first BBS was invented in Chicago. But that was a while ago.

[commodious spittoon]

I don't know what this is or what to make of it, but cavelier linked it in an earlier thread and seemed to find it interesting. I haven't dug into it enough to summarize it well, but it's a group building on a theory of generational revolution (in both senses), as each subsequent generation overtakes the previous in a series of archetypes defined as hero, artist, prophet, and nomad. We're currently at the end of a nomad generation, roughly defined as institutional dissolution and individualism, and working out way back into the hero mold of millennials marked by a newfound appreciation for social structure, family, and community.

[Equinsu Ocha]

Given that the most prominent millenials demand safe spaces, jazz hands, trigger warnings, parents accompanying them to job interviews, and refusing to allow their protests to be photographed... "hero" may be a bit of a stretch.

[commodious spittoon]

Each generational turning is described, but here are excerpts from the (current) third and (oncoming) fourth:

The Third Turning is an Unraveling. Old Heroes die, Artists enter elderhood, Prophets enter midlife, Nomads enter young adulthood?and a new generation of child Heroes is born. The mood of this era is in many ways the opposite of a High. Institutions are weak and distrusted, while individualism is strong and flourishing. ... The era opened with triumphant "Morning in America" individualism and drifted toward a pervasive distrust of institutions and leaders, an edgy popular culture, and the splitting of national consensus into competing "values" camps. ...

The Fourth Turning is a Crisis. ... This is an era in which America's institutional life is torn down and rebuilt from the ground up?always in response to a perceived threat to the nation's very survival. Civic authority revives, cultural expression finds a community purpose, and people begin to locate themselves as members of a larger group. ... Today's Hero archetype youth, the Millennial Generation (born 1982 to 2004) show many traits similar to those of the G.I. youth, including rising civic engagement, improving behavior, and collective confidence.

[Equinsu Ocha]

This goofy "turning" theory is just another way for the Boomers to claim the world revolves around themselves. Note that the "cycle" is based on themselves, their parents, their children, and their grandchildren.

In the era of mass media and pop culture you can sort-of make an argument for members of a generation having shared characteristics. It's still not a strong argument because early and late parts of the same arbitrarily-defined generation probably have very different characteristics; to use the Boomer example, some entered adulthood during the Vietnam War rebelling with hippyism, others during Reagan's first term rebelling with punk rock.

But any attempt to generalize a generation of Americans in the era before radio became widespread is utterly hopeless.

[GILMORE?]

This sounds like Joseph Campbell decided to start his own Consumer Marketing & Corporate Communications Consulting Firm

Its got all the hokey narrative mythic/psychological elements, wrapped in a "...And 5 Ways It Make Your Brand More Impactful!"-pitch

[Equinsu Ocha]

They tweak the length of each generation to fit their narrative, too. Along with picking either British or American "climaxes" and "crises" depending on which one fits the narrative. Neither the American Revolution or the Civil War would have been considered a crisis by the British -- Napoleon's rise between the two would have been much more of a crisis. World War 1, along with Cold War conflicts, also somehow got left out of the list of crises, presumably because that would be very difficult to fit with the year counts.

Basically they're saying that there is likely to be a big war somewhere in the world between 70 and 100 years after another big war. Wow, that's deep.

[Glide]

This debate was very discouraging to me. I had been getting close to talking myself into picking a least terrible popular Republican and rolling with him just to avoid having it be Trump or Bush. But these dingbats all want to go to war so damn badly that I'm afraid I'll have to waste my vote on Rand's terrible campaigning skills just so I can sleep at night.

[Notorious UGCC]

At least they no longer close the bars on election day.