Students at Yale, Missouri Beg College Administrators to Play Mommy and Daddy
In loco parentis returns: Yale and Mizzou students want to be treated like kids again


Half a century ago, student activists liberated themselves—partly, at least—from in loco parentis: the paternalistic notion that college administrators should serve as watchful guardians, restricting students' activities and rights in order to provide a safe environment for them, the way a mother or father would. Today, students across the country are determined to undo this liberation.
At Yale University, a group of aggrieved minority students have demanded the resignations of administrators who wisely rejected calls for emotional coddling. Nicholas Christakis, the master of Yale's Silliman College, and his wife, Erika Christakis, an early childhood educator at Yale, conveyed to students that they should make their own decision about what Halloween costumes to wear, avert their eyes if they are offended, and make their own decisions about appropriate dress. Nicholas was subsequently mobbed by students, forced to apologize, and—if students get their way—could lose his job as master of Silliman.
Students at the University of Missouri were even more immediately successful: they forced President Tim Wolfe to resign for being insufficiently attentive to a string of painful incidents—someone yelling a racial slur at the black student government president, the appearance of a swastika on campus, etc. Wolfe's ouster was prompted by a student's hunger strike and the football team's decision to boycott all future games.
Perhaps the most astonishing thing about these students' censorious actions is how profoundly conservative they are. By communicating an expectation that their master or president protect them from unsightly Halloween costumes, or promise them no more hurtful words will be said at their expense, students are essentially calling for a return to campus life under in loco parentis. They reject not merely a free and open campus dialogue, but adulthood itself.
A controversial column in The Yale Daily Herald makes this rejection undeniable:
It's unacceptable when the Master of your college is dismissive of your experiences. The Silliman Master's role is not only to provide intellectual stimulation, but also to make Silliman a safe space that all students can come home to. His responsibility is to make it a place where your experiences are a valid concern to the administration and where you can feel free to talk with them about your pain without worrying that the conversation will turn into an argument every single time. We are supposed to feel encouraged to go to our Master and Associate Master with our concerns and feel that our opinions will be respected and heard.
But, in his ten weeks as a leader of the college, Master Christakis has not fostered this sense of community. He seems to lack the ability, quite frankly, to put aside his opinions long enough to listen to the very real hurt that the community feels. He doesn't get it. And I don't want to debate. I want to talk about my pain.
The writer, Jencey Paz, goes on to make an explicit comparison between the role of the college master in her life and that of her father:
My dad is a really stubborn man. We debate all the time, and I understand the value of hearing differing opinions. But there have been times when I have come to my father crying, when I was emotionally upset, and he heard me regardless of whether or not he agreed with me. He taught me that there is a time for debate, and there is a time for just hearing and acknowledging someone's pain. …
Christakis hasn't checked in on any of us. He hasn't given us any indication that he is going to or wants to heal the community. If you know I'm in pain and you aren't doing anything to try to help me, then how can you be sorry? Christakis is the Master of Silliman College, it is his job to take care of us, and he is failing.
The op-ed is easy to criticize—although it's not okay to criticize it, according to The Herald's editors, who eventually took it down "at the author's request," because it was reaching an audience outside its intended readership (Yale students). The irony of the student newspaper taking this step should be obvious to all: Paz asserted that she didn't want to debate her pain, wrote an op-ed about it, and then withdrew it once people started to do exactly what an op-ed calls for: engage and debate it.
Students at Missouri are similarly unwilling to handle criticism, feedback, or really anything other than validation. In the wake of Wolfe's resignation, reporters flooded the campus, but students formed a human shield around the black activists who had achieved this victory to rescue them from being interviewed.
"You don't have a right to take our photos," said one student to a photojournalist, according to this video taken by another journalist, Mark Schierbecker. (Update: I've embedded the video; you can watch it below.)
Student conduct at Yale has been even more unbelievable. According to The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf and The Yale Daily News, student-protesters spat upon people attending a free speech event over the weekend:
These students were offended by one person's words, and were free to offer their own words in turn. That wasn't enough for them, so they spat on different people who listened to those words and called one minority student a traitor to his race. In their muddled ideology, the Yale activists had to destroy the safe space to save it.
It's clear that many of today's students—at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses—don't value free expression the way their radical predecessors did. But the Yale and Missouri incidents reveal something even more startling: they don't value their own independence, either. Their goal is to re-enshrine in loco parentis. They want their administrators-in-chief to hold them while they cry, pat them on the back, and softly whisper into their ears, "you're right, I'm so sorry."
Will these same students, complain, I wonder, if their administrators start sending troublemakers to bed without supper, or preventing them from hanging out with their friends until they finish their homework? Keep in mind that prior to the '60s, administrators placed broad restrictions on students' rights to socialize, organize, and speak. That's what parents do, it's what used to take place on college campuses, and it's what awaits these students who are suddenly so desperate to be treated like children again.
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*searches furiously for the part where Rico is undoubtedly socially signalling so I can call it out*
/jk 🙂
Robby seems to have dropped the caveats and disclaimers since the last Kanye Kostume Kerfuffle.
Shit is getting way too stupid to even offer a generous, "to be sure"
As a Baby Boomer I will be able to die happy knowing the fucking children on college campus' today will be living like the Russians of the 1950s in the near future. And beauty of it all is they WANTED it! Poetic justice.
I'm glad I never procreated.
And what's wrong with returning to some of the excellent policies of dear old Russia? Modern Russia has made some progress in that direction by teaching the "Pussy Riot" performers that "art" is not an excuse for disrupting religious services, and prosecutors in New York have helped Americans understand that certain forms of inappropriately deadpan "parody" cross the line into rank criminality, at least when they are used to mock well-connected department chairmen employed in institutions like New York University. See the documentation of America's leading criminal satire case at:
http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/
To his credit, he actually managed to write an article without qualifiers and caveats intended to soften the blow for the people who are so arrogantly, stupidly and profoundly wrong.
The tolerant liberals once again showing their fascist roots and their Socialist foundation of censorship of opposing views. They are a train wreck of destructive policies and childish finger pointing and are bent on the destruction of America.
I know it's off topic, but our country is losing it's freedoms. We have Donald Sterling forced to sell his NBA team, free speech not allowed on PUBLIC campuses, etc. We have expensive health insurance forced on all of us. Even auto insurance is forced on us (thank god for $25/month Insurance Panda coverage). What's next? Mandatory phone insurance? We have taxes on top of taxes and our freedoms are slowly disappearing. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington would be rolling in their graves.
Liberals are all bullies. They are non tolerant and don't want any opposition.
The bots are evolving...
That reminds me of an edito I saw on ZeroHedge.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/.....dom-speech
Another poster on ZeroHedge nicknamed Koke Beef is right on target and I quoted:"If you do not believe ... lieralism is a disease" = Liar-alism?
You just created a genius meme. They're not Classical Liberals and they don't believe in freedom. They've never read Bastiat or even Rousseau. So what are they? Liars. Black is white, up is down, "affordable" Health Care, "patriot" Act, the Social Security "LockBox" destroy the village in order to save it, jet fuel melts steel girders, universal human equality etc.
Liaralism is the disease. and you sir, are a genius.
Cheers,
Beef"
Perhaps the most astonishing thing about these students' censorious actions is how profoundly conservative they are.
Cue complete misunderstanding of Robby's non-political use of the word conservative here in 3...2...1...
I DID IT BETTER
NUH UH!
Whoa - check out SIV below.
LIKE A RAT ON THE WATER BAR - BANG! BANG! BANG!
Pavlov's dogs live!
Dude...it wasn't like my prediction wasn't going to happen. They are beyond predictable. It's into obsession at this point.
i'm literally sitting at my desk shaking my head and smirking. Props to you
*high five - YEAH, I STILL HIGH FIVE - DEAL WITH IT*
*down low*
Too slow!
3 minutes.
^^ truedat
Well, strictly speaking, any positive policy prescription cannot be conservative, and any defense of an existing policy without alteration cannot be progressive. So, technically, if he is speaking non-politically, they would have to be defending the status quo to be conservative, right?
Like an old-fashioned communist who opposes the destruction of the Berlin Wall is a conservative. But, what if he opposes a hypothetical current government's policy of favoring the destruction of the Berlin Wall, before it is torn down? Or, or, what if one favors an existing government's long-time-but-not-yet-executed support for abolishing a policy which requires the regular change of another policy? Would that be a conservative or a progressive position? Someone entertain me please.
Assuming he truly is using a non-political connotation of the word that only begs the question of what the students are seeking to 'conserve?' Certainly nothing that has existed within their lifetimes.
In which case it may be more accurate to note the students are being reactionaries - seeking to undo a long established (four plus decades at least) tradition in higher education.
Politically speaking this may create overlap with SoCons, insofar as both are opposed to classical liberalism. Of course that overlap also corresponds to the modern liberal/leftists who are likewise opposed to the individual liberty and personal responsibility championed in the enlightenment.
So perhaps it would have been less fraught to simply note that these students are authoritarians.
Loco parents indeed.
Had this (fevered) vision of Mary Poppins wearing a mortarboard...
There has to be a way to make money off of this. I just can't think of it.
There's always a lot of money to be made when people are being really stupid....
Ideas?
Be a lawyer.
Should I invest conservatively?
Well, my broker is Wu Tang Financial, and Wu Tang Financial says.....
Ain't nuttin to fuck wit.
DIVERSIFY, BITCHES!
+1 diversify your bonds
Well, this is a Robby thread, so "conservative" means "bad" apparently, so...no?
Meh, Seattle Times still refers to local voters as "liberal". So it's label confusion all the way down.
Works for me.
Labor Relations company lead. Trust me....
How about 3D printing some mobile safe places?
Wait, that's safe SPACE. Ooops, was that a micro aggression?
In safe space, no one can hear you scream - in protest.
OK you sort of beat me to it. But I like my white van idea.
You could go into the adult diapers business
Portable safe spaces? Perhaps in a nice, non-threatening white van
With a salty ham tear stained mattress* in the back...
*Stained with the tears of previous speshul snoflakes who have had to use the van to work through their own microaggressions, what did think I meant?
I have a gray one, does that count?
There's always a lot of money to be made when people are being really stupid....
Ideas??
Go into politics.
Dude, I already said be a lawyer. Jeez.
Build a school that gives nothing bum taps and 'A's for grades.
You'll make a mint. In fact, I'll invest.
Goo-Goo-Gaa-Gaa U.
Tolerance consultant.
Rent-a-team. Put together a young football team that can rush in as replacements when a college team goes on strike, or when too many of them are in jail to field a squad.
Start a college....
South Hampton Institute of Technology ?
mascot is a sandwich?
great movie
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Perhaps the most astonishing thing about these students' censorious actions is how profoundly conservative they are.
That word means anything Reason wants it to so long as it's "bad".
And WHOOP! there it is!
Oh, you poor baby. Not only can't you read very well, Episiarch predicted it. Episiarch. That's like being outwitted by a ficus.
Thanks for making me snort Mountain Dew out my nose.
Dick
[apologizes like a Canadian]
You pronounced it "sore-y"?
+ Alex Trebek
Yes, exactly.
A ficus?!? I'm at least as smart as a philodendron! Maybe!
Will someone water this moron already?
I'M THIRSTY
Hey, now...Ficuses are popular.
/Sorta
Kardashians are popular too.... Does that make them smart?
What??
Sorry I'm late, I had to drink a whole bottle of water first. ::unzips pants::
You would present yourself to epi like that? He's a "penis dies trap"
I can read just fine. In loco parentis doesn't have much of a history or long tradition in higher education. Gambling dueling, ether frolics and drunkeness, dissipation and debauchery have been the norm for century upon century. Well, except for the ether frolics.
HE'S ROLLING
In loco parentis doesn't have much of a history or long tradition in higher education.
Let's take this to the audience...
For those watching, is it funnier to think that SIV believes this completely erroneous idea or to think that he's merely stating a falsehood to keep himself from looking like an ass?
When has he ever been concerned about looking like an ass?
For that matter, when have any of us?
He has his pride. A man's pride. He just wants to say dumb stuff and not get challenged on it, like all God's Children.
He just wants to say dumb stuff and not get challenged on it, like all God's Children college students.
Seams he'd fit in quite well on a modern college campus. Challenging the dumb stuff that people like him say is "othering" and "microaggressive".
That's like being outwitted by a ficus.
You've been saving that one, haven't you?
Yes, we dislike all statists.
They reject not merely a free and open campus dialogue, but adulthood itself.
Well, so do I. But I still managed to get a job and have kids and raise them and stuff while acting like a kid. Sometimes. All the time when I'm posting on reason.com.
*picks nose and wipes it on Hugh's autographed pic of Ben Carson with Black Jesus*
Boogies!!!
I see Hugh on occasion. My pranking services are available to the highest bidder.
I tried to a glue a kid to his chair once. With regular Elmer's white glue.
Was he willing to sit still for hours?
In The Lathe of Heaven, LeGuin's future dystopia had the adults being aggressively sexual while the youth were rebelliously prim.
This seems to be a similar phenomenon.
All of this is the world's longest-running april's fool joke, right? I mean, this cannot possibly be true.
I tell myself this every year.
It's nice to have one day where everything makes sense.
That's like waiting on an answer from a help line - for decades.
If you're referring to existence itself, yes, it's all just a big joke.
It might be establishing a new event, November Fools
Oh, it's all too real.
https://youtu.be/Zmji36q8E4o
I've just run out of give-a-shit with all these whiny students. Mine got out just in time, it seems.
OT: what do you folks know about New Hampshire? Thinking of moving, don't know much about it beyond the easy-to-find.
I hope your not an Uber driver. It's apparently NOT a libertarian paradise. And it's cold in the winter.
That's all I know.
Doesn't Mark Steyn live there? Maybe you should send him a note? Srsly - maybe he'll provide some cool insights.
Lovely autumns.
What about the other 50 weeks of the year?
We call that "winter"
It's fucking cold in the winter, and muggy in the summer. And it's right next to Assachussetts.
I've lived in NH my whole life. I like it (which is why I'm still here). I can see why some people might not. If you like city stuff, or hate cold and snow it's not the place to be. Certainly not a libertarian paradise, but better than most states, I think. Pretty good on guns, pretty good place to start a business or be self-employed.
New Hampshire might impress me... if I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, but I didn't, so it doesn't.
(read that in Colin Farell's voice)
I grew up in a small, fairly rural town. Went to college with a bunch of city people and decided that being all hip and urbane wasn't all that great and that living in the woods with lots of guns and chainsaws was much cooler.
That was actually reference to "In Bruges." See clip here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgCQM05qszs
NH is awesome. People are well-read, sentient, industrious, and self-reliant. Crime is low and freeloading is low; it's like the opposite of CA or FL. It's beautiful, especially in the fall. Wiry old-timers get up on ladders and remodel their 300-year-old homes themselves, then shovel their driveways every two hours in the winter. Respect.
It has good and bad things. Pretty much no traffic unless you are commuting onto I-95 south in the morning or on the spaulding turnpike at rush hour. Good if you enjoy winter sports. If you don't want neighbors there are lots of places that could accommodate that.
If you think it's libertarian paradise you'll be really disappointed. It can be expensive.
Cold as fuck in the winter, which will be next week, or the week after. A bunch of decent spots where you can get away from humans. People are nice, but dry sense of humor and talk faster than Southerners. Typical Northeasterners: kind of rude until you're used to them.
It's clear that many of today's students?at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses?don't value free expression the way their radical predecessors did
Cut the horse shit Robby. Their radical predecessors didn't value free expression either. Go back and read what actually happened in the 1960s and what the "student free speech movement" was actually about and actually did. They never gave a fuck about free speech. They were a hard core leftist movement that wanted to take over the campuses and extinguish all dissenting views. The only difference between them and these ass clowns is that they were at least capable of rational thought.
it's this sort of thing that makes me shake my head with Reason. Some on the staff simply refuse to notice when certain elephants are in the living room.
Yeah, they've go some blind spots that come and go. Always in the left eye, though, which is weird.
"Elephants in the living room?!!" Another swipe at Conservatives/Rebublicans!
The only difference between them and these ass clowns is that they were at least capable of rational thought.
I would also say that, at least some of them, were more willing/able to put 'walk the walk'. Even if their ideas were wrong they were still capable of blowing something up or tearing something down and getting teargassed or shot for it.
It's one thing to lose to another person with strong convictions. It's another thing entirely to lose coddling spineless jellyfish.
Yeah, if these whiny little pussies are the vanguard of the left's next revolutionary wave, I'm not too worried.
The problem is, they won't be the ones in control. They'll be the useful idiots that give popular validation to the ones in control. And they'll cheer as their enemies get beaten to a pulp right up until someone comes for them. And by that time they won't have a voice left to protest.
I'm not saying this is inevitable, but shit like this really does worry me sometime. People this infantile and easy to control are never a good thing.
Yep, they'll be the ones lined up the receive the National Guard bullets.
Again.
" whiny little pussies"
hurtful
I would also say that, at least some of them, were more willing/able to put 'walk the walk'.
Well, sure, but these idiots at Yale aren't the entire student body either
But, are the rest of the student body ever going to actually oppose them? No, they're just going to let the lunatics ride roughshod over the whole university till kingdom come.
And so I say: qui tacit consentire.
It is because no one wants to be branded a racist.
I think that gets to the heart of the problem: the sane people care more about what the lunatics think of them than the lunatics do about what the sane people think of them.
I think that phenomenon goes a long way toward explaining how extremist fringes wield such disproportionate power. And also why a silent majority is a useless majority.
The people you describe were certainly a big part of it. But I think there were also plenty who actually valued free expression.
So where'd they all go?
Everything I've seen is the same '60s dicks are the leadership behind this rather than students. At my school the SJW group had more faculty than student members.
i knew a girl who was a precursor to this in high school 20 years ago. She'd hear something fairly innocuous, go nuts, denounce, and then literally run away crying.
Now she's a feminist and queer studies professor at NYU
I don't think I believe this. It's a positive feedback loop; the students may learn it from teachers at first, but eventually they surpass (and occasionally even denounce) their teachers. The students are I think competing with each other to be the most 'radical' to impress their teachers, but the teachers are also trying to be the hippest, most radical professor (both to outdo other faculty, but also to be the 'cool professor'). I think the disease is more advanced in the students than the profs. After all, in most of these stories it's the universities giving in to the demands of the students in order to see sufficiently progressive, not the other way around.
Sort of, maybe. But since the unquestioning validation of emotions is apparently supposed to be practiced by everyone, everywhere, at least sometimes, it seems less like that and more like these students have somehow still not learned the lesson that strangers and acquaintances don't love you.
It's what so many of their complaints are about. "Why aren't you treating me like you love me?"
I think they have learned that lesson all too well. They learned the lesson that strangers don't love you and then internalized it to such a degree they see it as their right to force everyone to love them. If they thought strangers loved them, they wouldn't have a reason to complain.
they think that strangers SHOULD love them, and if not, they should be REQUIRED
"I do love you baby, now let me put it in. At least the tip."
Don't listen to him! He has a clasper!
Pope Sex?
There was some sort of tipping point that needs to be identified. I mean, sure, the internet makes it easy for them to find people to commiserate and validate their feelz, but something made is acceptable to be this infantile in public. You used to be able to laugh in their face. I mean, all those people crying? Nobody died, shitheads.
I think the Occupy Wall Street movement was the tipping point. That was when the jazz hands thingy started, and when people started to protest lacking any kind of intellectual point other than "OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MONEY AND I WANT SOME!!!"
You might be right. They got a taste of the lazy protest lifestyle and they liked it.
...and throw in some fawning media adoration.
something made is acceptable to be this infantile in public
#CompletelyShamlessAmerica
Only partly joking. People used to be ashamed to be whiny, spineless, perpetual toddlers. Not anymore. At some point it became OK to be completely without any sense of shame. I don't think there's an easily identifiable tipping point, it probably happened fairly gradually at first, but seems to have picked up steam the last few years. Not sure why.
The crying is just fucking weird.
Could this be a new SF novel? Some sort of Harold Robbins-esque work, but with SF's, er...panache`?
I can't figure out if the people in the Yale video snapping their fingers instead of clapping is the funniest or the scariest thing I have ever seen. Half the time I laugh when I see it and the other half of the time I get a chill down my spine.
Is clapping racist or something?
These nut jobs should all be ridiculed and laughed to scorn. It's the best that they deserve.
I believe "triggering" is the word you are looking for.
Applause is considered "triggering" for some reason and thus verbotten. No shit.
What John is referring to.
Also:
Why don't they just fling poo around? It's good enough for monkeys.
I guess Rebel Yells are off limits too?
I can't even...
+1 Billy Idol
wait a minute. Super-inaccessible? What the hell does that even mean?
Maybe some of them were attacked by Native American war bands some time in the past.
Umm, asserting that Native Americans were at all violent is problematic.
No shit. Do they mean some people can't do it? Some people can't do jazz hands either. I really have no idea what they mean at a surface level. At a deeper level, I suspect what's really meant is "Simon Says do jazz hands."
Nice. Insult the brachially-challenged.
Abelist.
Non-abelian gauge theory isn't abelist.
Well, I'm offended by jazz hands because they're super gay.
What a SHITLORD thing to say! (Way to go!)
A crowd doing jazz hands is fun, because you can flick the speaker off and he won't notice.
How the fuck do they know that "jazz hands" (whatever that is) is not also triggering to some people? Maybe everyone should just stay home and not say anything, just to be safe.
No kidding, jazz hands could trigger an epileptic episode...
What the fucking whooping? I can only assume that's the sound you make when you have whooping cough? Weren't they vaccinated?
Clapping is insensitive to people who have only one hand.
Or who have only one hand free.
At least they are doing that human microphone shit. That's just goosebump city.
AT LEAST THEY ARE DOING THAT HUMAN MICROPHONE SHIT! THAT'S JUST GOOSEBUMP CITY!!!!
*looks intently at Nutrasweet for next line to repeat at the top of his lungs with all the other sheep*
Yes. That is not funny. That is some scary shit.
Is Mr. Microphone too patriarchal?
"Hey, ladies! Meet us at the beach!"
There's a hole in my heart
That's as deep as a well
For that poor little boy
Who's trapped halfway to hell
And if we can't get him out
We'll do the next big thing
And go on TV
and sing sing sing
We're sending our love down the well (ALL THE WAY DOWN)
We're sending our love down the well (DOWN THAT WELL)
How do you know what gender that microphone self-identifies as?
Depends. Is what it's saying logical?
Finger snap applause... it proves you're there.
What if I don't know how to snap my fingers? What if I don't have any fingers? Do you know how embarrassing that would be?
can't figure out if the people in the Yale video snapping their fingers instead of clapping is the funniest or the scariest thing I have ever seen.
Have you forgotten up twinkles already?
damn. I do that sometimes. But it's just because I'm lazy. And you can snap without putting your beer down.
Oh, that's what you're doing with your other hand? Uh huh.
They've found power in their victimhood. I don't know how well the lessons they've been taught here will serve them outside academia.
Even if it serves them well, it will make them miserable people. Look at the chick in the Yale video. Her entire sense of self comes from her being a victim. How could someone like that ever have a happy moment? The best life will ever get for her is some empty sense of revenge on her perceived enemies.
Yeah, I think it will serve them just fine with this inanity spreads beyond campuses and into the workplace. HR departments will fold faster than university presidents if faced with repeated discrimination lawsuits.
But you are right that these people will always be miserable. They can't find joy or self-worth, so they blame everyone and everything around them, rather than looking within themselves.
The best life will ever get for her is some empty sense of revenge on her perceived enemies.
IOW, a lifelong Democrat voter.
This is the money quote:
"Students at Missouri are similarly unwilling to handle criticism, feedback, or really anything other than validation."
This problem is ubiquitous. Because you can always find someone to validate you on the internet, no matter how screwed up you are, young people have become addicted to positive reinforcement and allergic to anything else. We have raised a generation for whom the first fool idea that pops into their head defines their identity, and the stupidity of the idea itself confers the prized victim status that is the only currency that matters any more. What an upside-down world we've created.
In addition to the addiction to positive reinforcement, the concept of civil disagreement has disappeared. On the internet, if someone disagrees with a statement another person makes, it degenerates almost immediately into name-calling and ad hominem attacks. Or people just completely block dissenters. It's rare to even have a polite back-and-forth with someone you disagree with.
sometimes, this is a feature of FB. There are quite a few old classmates and former colleagues whose drivel I no longer have to see. It is tiring to be the only one capable of having a rational debate.
Fuck you, you're wrong you heartless TEATHUGLIKKAN!!!!
**clicks on Bern; selects 'unfollow' and reserves right to come back and unfriend completely**
If you're the only one capable of having a rational debate, you're not capable of having a rational debate.
That's why Reason is so great - that never happens here!
It happens less frequently here than other (political) comment threads I've visited, and usually to a handful of regular trolls, but I did not exclude Reason in my remark.
OK, in just a moment of srslyness - it does seem to me that this totally fits with the helicopter parenting of today. MY little snowflake couldn't possible do anything wrong - it must be the teacher, and the school district, and the administration, and the coach, and the tutor...so I transfer them, and get them another tutor, and....
After 12 years of that kind of shit, and being told reliably by mommy and daddy that they're wonderful.....I dunno. Maybe some kids really think like that??
I dunno. My son hates that aspect of college, and is basically doing his best just to avoid it. Fortunately, there are still like-minded, fun students to hang out with and do dangerous things and drink and carouse.
By the snowflakes - maybe it's a sign of the times? I dunno.
All of this is just insane to me. I finished college in 2006 and if this phenomenon existed at that time, I was 100% oblivious to it. Hanging out, doing dangerous things, drinking, and carousing were still the main activities.
It's like a completely different world now.
huh. Was I the only one who went to college with the intent to study and get a degree?
You and Ben Carson.. maybe
I never even saw a hint of this in college in the early 2000s, but I also went to a very un-prestigious, working class University, so who knows. The real bat shit SJW craziness seems to be happening at schools with lots of rich, privileged little shits.
Totally a sign of the times, one of the things that could be seen as a foreseeable consequence. And now, the parasite is devouring the host. Academia has wrought this on itself, aided and abetted by the K-12 system and its unwavering "America is mean" message, particularly aimed at minorities. The whites kids figured this out, too, and came up with ways of painting themselves as victims. The evidence is strong that this is causation.
You don't even need to paint yourself as a victim if you display enough self-loathing and prostrate yourself with guilt when presented before your more darkly pigmented betters.
I think helicopter parenting is part of it, but I'm starting to wonder about actual neurological problems, too. I wonder what the correlation is between this aggressively arrested development, and the increased use of prescription drugs by children throughout big chunks of their lives.
This cohort has an unusually large number of members that have been medicated to one degree or another for ADD, ADHD, depression, etc. Maybe it has damaged their emotional and social development.
Something apparently has, to judge by these videos.
This cohort has an unusually large number of members that have been medicated to one degree or another for ADD, ADHD, depression, etc. Maybe it has damaged their emotional and social development.
That, and the mass shooting events that get so much attention--nearly every one of these nutburgers seem to have been diagnosed with autism, Aspbergers, ADD, or ADHD, and prescribed some form of psychotropic medication in response. I suspect for the most part that parents and teachers don't want to put in the effort required to actually direct these kids, and just have a sympathetic psychiatrist prescribe some sort of stupefying drug out of a demonic Munchausen-by-proxy motivation.
Yep. My brother's been teaching for 10 years now, and he's been warning that this attitude was going to haunt colleges and work places. A lot of kids have been raised to think the fault is not with them, but everyone else, and expect their parents to solve problems for them and keep them comfortable.
I agree, it comes out of the self esteem movement, where every kid is told they are the greatest thing ever and given a trophy for every act, deserving or not. We stopped demanding they strive for excellence, and they feel entitled to the undeserved praise they've received their whole life.
Agreed. No incentive for much except attacking others over perceived slights.
Maybe they should start including binkies in their freshman welcome packages.
I initially read that as "bikinis" and probably just microagressed at least half of the Yale freshmen class
Me too. My brain read what it wanted to.
But not at Yale. Gross.
You don't want to know how I read Hugh's comment below...
It just occurred to me they could also include adult sized onesies, but these assclowns might think they're some kind of new style of Mao suit and actually end up liking them.
Because "EKWALITY! Now no one ever has to be othered by seeing people in nicer clothes than them. This should be done everywhere, outside of college too!"
Do they? Far as I understand it, in loco parentis would mean administrators set the rules, and students follow them. What these fuckers want is to set the rules, and administrators to enforce them on those who aren't willing to follow them.
And that is why Space describing this phenomenon as "conservative" is incorrect. A conservative authority is backed by some sort of traditional understanding of ethical behavior.
This is happening because that kind of understanding has been discarded but the result has been found wanting. This is not a restoration of traditional authority, it is a Terror resulting from the revolutionaries not ins eff standing how to deal with what they have done.
I kinda like the idea of them insisting that everyone wear fucking suits to class, since they insist that they actually can't decide how to dress themselves.
Not suits, adult onsies. See above comment.
By any measure, it would seem that these social justice misfits are winning the battles in which they engage. And yet, they remain perpetually angry, tilting at some windmill that is unreachable. The unreachability is likely a feature since it enables their Peter-Pan-cum-victim status of never having to grow up, never having to deal with dissent, never having to stop whining and start becoming productive.
There is no SJ movement that actually wants to resolve the problem it claims to champion. If it did, what would happen the next day. Just like non-profits and any govt program.
How did you know the title of Sugarfree's next book?
Why is there no deep appreciation of commentary genius available here, like a Like button?
^^This.....Exactly^^
You win.
I think they're just addicted to the feeling of being self righteous.
I don't know why but this doesn't seem to be such a problem at Canadian Universities. Oh sure there's dumb left-wing crap but not this intense Orwell stuff.
That may change by the time you go to college. A lot can happen in five years.
BOOM!
Well, people going to Lumberjack School or Codfish Monger U. are a hardier lot. I don't think that's unexpected.
And when you have to discuss the intricacies of beaver pelts in the core curriculum, it makes it harder to bitch about trigger words.
I prefer my beavers to be shaved.
Maybe Canadian institutions don't reward it.
"I don't know why but this doesn't seem to be such a problem at Canadian Universities."
Watch this, then get back to us
It probably helps that they aren't really run under this kind of intense residential model. When I was at university, maybe 15% of students lived on campus.
Yeah, I've constantly heard about how Ontario is such a SJW-haven. However, my campus never had that problem and was actually a pretty amazing place to be.
How many black students are in Canadian universities, anyway?
No, Canada has their extrajudicial boards for suppressing speech and dissent.
Yeah, Canada leaves it up to the professional enforcers to handle with quiet and efficiency. Blood on the sidewalk is bad for business.
Toronto.
Jesus. These poor, stupid, stupid babies.
Where do these people come from? How are they generated? WTF was the previous 18 years of their life? Do they come from a factory/lab?
Their parents are like them. The myth of the child becoming a Marxist as an act of rebellion against his or her father is that: a myth. Marxians beget Marxians.
If only that made them infertile....
Please tell me that's pronounced "silly man". Seems appropriate. Although they really should change it to Silliperson to avoid using gendered terms, shouldn't they? I FEEL MICROAGGRESSED!!!11!!!1!!!!!!!
Be disappointed.
"student-protesters spat upon people attending a free speech event "
Why what little darlings.
see that is what you call assault, but what are the odds that'll be enforced? Probably not because reasons
I've said this before. All this safe space/SJW bullshit it a framework to legitimize using vastly disproportionate aggression towards someone you don't like. Oh, you used a word that "triggers" me? I can scream and yell at you for it, even though the "triggering" was vastly less aggressive than the response.
It is a way to legitimize completely uncalled for aggression, and to put the ability to do so in the hands of those who adopt the framework. It's an end run around civil discourse.
They have a lot in common with toddlers.
And by a lot, you mean everything.
almost everything...toddlers are at least cute some of the time and most of them grow out of the brattiness
As my father in law says, "I'm just like a baby: balding, fat and missing teeth, so how come women don't think I'm adorable too?"
Toddlers drink a lot in your neck of the woods?
Yes. The other thing people forget is that in order for you to be a "victim" someone else has to be a perpetrator. You can't be a victim unless someone else makes you that way. So the seemingly endless desire of these people to be a victim is nothing but their desire to have an excuse to attack anyone they don't like.
Which is 'conservative; insofar as mob rule pretty much predates any other form of social organization...
Remember, the spitters are the victims. That's how they express their victimization and lack of power or some crap.
I wonder if I could join the ranks of victims by expressing my lack of power with pepper spray.
+1 set brass knuckles
We're spitting up. /protard precious angel
"Remember, the spitters are the victims."
What the hell happened? Back in our day (mid 80's at a fairly major private university), we were starting to see a bit of the 'rebel without a clue' thing (it was mostly confined to blaming whitey for African poverty). However, if someone had spit on someone, they would see a microagression become a macro-agression, right in the nose; viciously, painfully, and immediately.
However, if someone had spit on someone, they would see a microagression become a macro-agression, right in the nose; viciously, painfully, and immediately.
I'm starting to think that maybe that's what the people who disagree with this horseshit should start doing. So far, everyone has been far too respectful of these assholes. It's clear that they really have no desire to engage in civil debate/ discourse, so maybe it's time to start throwing these shitheads some beatings.
It's always time to throw the shitheads a few beatings. It solves both problems: they begin to realize their bullshit can have consequences and they find out what happens when real force shows its ugly head.
In C.S. Lewis' Perelandra, Professor Ransom (the protagonist) was arguing with the Devil in front of the naked green lady. Ransom eventually realized he would never be able to out-argue the Devil, so he proceeded to beat the snot out of him.
That's the proper reaction. Proportionate physical violence is a perfectly healthy and valid way to settle that sort of personal dispute. Don't recruit the cops to be your muscle. Fisticuffs are far more civilized than jackboots.
Does anyone know exactly what the source of the pain the op-ed writer was feeling? Please tell me it wasn't that she *might* see a HALLOWEEN COSTUME she didn't like?
Oh no. It was that a faculty member had suggested the university should possibly not police costumes.
I CAN'T EVEN
She was informed that she might see a Halloween costume she wouldn't like and that, in the event that she does, she should turn her head and ignore it or, perhaps, engage the wearer in conversation to discuss the merits and problems with the offensive costume. She was upset because she didn't want to behave like an adult but, instead, wanted the administrator to behave like her daddy.
Yes, she wanted the administrator to punish the offending student so that she wouldn't have to deal with the trauma of doing so herself.
And to remove her Master from his position because he wouldn't denounce his wife
Asking her to personally interact with other people as though they are equals was an unforgivable affront to her special level of specialness.
All dorm rooms should be painted pink and filled with warm fluid and come with a hose from which students can drink vital fluids.
You know, like a blankie. A sixty thousand-dollar blankie.(*)
(*) Average cost, full year.
Take care of them like, you know, like a wet nurse. A sixty thousand-dollar.... Oh, you get the picture.
If anyone in the universe actually needs to check their privilege, it's a Yale student. There are plenty of students at community colleges that would love to be oppressed at Yale.
Yale students crying oppression at ANYTHING is fucking hilarious. They're some of the most privileged people in the world.
All that privilege is a terrible cross to bear.
that's actually funny, mostly because it's true. But self-awareness is not a big trait among this cohort.
There are plenty of students at community colleges that would love to be oppressed at Yale.
Yeah, at the community college I attended most of the students would have been too busy with jobs and family to attend bratty protests
I think you can either have a safe space, or intellectual stimulation, but not both.
LIBBERTARIUN MOAMINT!!!!!
Two more colleges to add to the list that I forbid the grandkids to attend if they expect grandpop to kick in any tuition money.
Send 'em to welding school and give 'em a .pdf of the Harvard Classics
This. Or machining school. Or both!
Honestly, I don't think there's a college left except Hillsdale, or maybe a few others of which I'm not aware. The entire system may need to be (rhetorically) blown up so we can start over.
"rhetorically"?
Weak sisters grease the woodchippers
You can check out Fire's database of campus speech ratings here:
https://www.thefire.org/spotlight/
My alma mater does pretty well (Carnegie Mellon University)
Probably because that's all they've ever experienced in their entire lives. They've been coddled and had mommy and/ or daddy make everything better for them their whole lives and as a result are completely unprepared for the "real world." Half these little shits would probably love it if they could crawl back up into their mother's uteri forever. This is the logical end result of "helicopter parenting."
I don't think this is really it. I think something is incentivizing their behavior. It is a status game, and they believe their social status is elevated by displays of victimhood.
What these dimwits deserve is to be put up on a stage to explain themselves and justify their totally irrational behavior. The only audience members should be drunk H&R commenters with high pressure water hoses and baskets of rotten fruit. They want a safe place, I got their fucking safe space!
The night needs to be capped with an Agile poetry slam.
The Mizzou people who hectored the University president into resigning aren't satisfied. Now they've moved on to trying to hector the Chancellor into resigning.
That was quick, and I hope they succeed.
I think the goal must be for the inmates to be running the asylum. Can you imagine what college life will be like when these nutjobs are actually running things?
of course, they're not satisfied. They will never be satisfied. They're not even sure what they actually want.
And that's why giving in to them is a really bad idea
I think giving in to them is a great idea: this will degrade the reputation and ranking of their university, making it much harder for them to get jobs where they have any influence.
It will encourage this at all universities.
Wait, I've seen this somewhere before...
Actually, it did happen before...under Reagan in California, when he was governor. His response was to fire the UC president for losing control of his campus, send in the national guard, and crack down on and prosecute protesters.
Of course in Reagan situation the protesters were rioting, whereas at Missouri and Yale they're just petulantly whining. So of course the Democrats in power are absolutely paralyzed at the thought of confrontation with them.
Holy shit. That's the first thought that crossed my mind as well.
Of course they are. Bloody hell, it's almost like a false flag movement at this point. Keep harassing and doing worse and worse shit until your movement is completely discredited and slapped down.
You know who else thought a new chancellor was needed?
Jar Jar Binks?
Senator Amidala, actually. Jar Jar was the useful idiot who got the Sentate to vote Palpatine emergency powers. /NERD
Read a fascinating theory that Jar Jar was originally intended to be the Phantom Menace, a sort of undercover Sith Lord manipulating shit behind the scenes. The reaction to the character's clownish doltery was so bad they basically had to write him way down, if not all the way out, of the original story line.
It would explain a lot . . . .
Well, they succeeded.
This should be fun. What happens when they run out of administrators ?
They start coming for everyone else. Those heads aren't going to roll themselves.
They turn the US into a college campus.
I believe the historically correct term for this sort of action is a putsch.
re: The 'Free Speech Event' at Yale, Robby mentions in the piece?
It was private (requiring registration in advance), and parts of it were posted on Facebook over the weekend.
In it, Greg Lukianoff made the following remark
""Looking at the reaction to [Silliman College Associate Master] Erika Christakis' email, you would have thought someone wiped out an entire Indian village," Lukianoff said....
According to seven other attendees interviewed, the remark was followed by laughter in the crowd... "
This resulted in...
"Edward Columbia '18 ? a white male who did not register for the event ? walked into the room and began putting up signs along the front of the room which read "Stand with your sisters of color. Now, here. Always, everywhere," ...a security guard asked Columbia to leave because he was not registered and because he was putting up posters, but he refused to do so. Shortly after, Lukianoff made the comment about the Indian village, and Columbia shouted at Lukianoff and asked him why he thought it was funny...While Columbia resisted, the guard dragged him outside of the room, where he was pinned down and handcuffed before being taken to a squad car."
Reported here....
The spitting then ensured afterward, as people tried to leave
Needz moar pepper spray.
"An emotional rally soon followed as the last attendees emerged from LC and left the conference. Bullhorn in hand, Bear Don't Walk shared her anger with the crowd, which had grown in size, about the comment made at the Buckley event. She expressed despair that this comment came on the heels of discussions about racial issues on campus.
"About an hour ago, we were sitting at the Native American Cultural Center and we were talking. We said today was one of the only days we felt okay on this campus," Bear Don't Walk told the crowd. "Then we looked at our Facebook feed and we saw this message about what someone at this freedom of speech conference said. But we rallied and we gathered here to tell them that this is not okay."
...Yale Native American Arts Council President Emily Van Alst '16 said the comment mocked a cultural genocide. Everyone should have the right to free speech, she said, but there is a distinct line between free speech and hateful, hurtful, racist speech which results in violence.
NOT OKAY PEOPLE. HE SAID INDIAN.
"which results in violence."
Translation: "Say something we disagree with and we're going to fuck you up."
And, again, not fuck you up the way a fellow primates, mammals, or even vertebrates but fuck you up the way invasive insects or an infectious disease fucks you up.
Is she aware of who was actually being violent during/after the event?
Is she aware of who was actually being violent during/after the event?
Yeah, it was his words that caused her to do that! He should be ashamed of himself for using such speech!
I love her "Indian" name: "Bear Don't Walk".
Although when I read that sentence, I thought "Bullhorn in Hand" was also someone's name. Which would be even more awesome.
Let's give her a government issued blanket. So what if it's covered in smallpox, it's from the government, so it's what we all choose to do together, so it must be good, right?
An indian kid in our high school always got a laugh by claiming that AIM was an acronym for Assholes in Moccasins.
That's a name no Native American would self-apply.
If she could fucking comprehend English (or at least try) she'd see that he was saying that burning down an Indian village was a very bad, reprehensible thing. Which their microagressions were not. "Looking at their reaction, you'd think someone was actually injured". But a burning Indian village is a metaphor that more easily conveys the mental image of something TRULY damaging. The people in attendance weren't laughing at the buning Indiana village, they were laughing at the precious snowflakes who didn't know how to handle adult life.
Disproportionate aggression, dude, I'm telling you. Any normal action taken against their rude actions becomes an excuse for vastly disproportionate responses. It's like in Christie Malry's Own Double Entry as the debit side of Christie's ledger continues to rack up ever-increasing debits from tiny slights against him, while nothing is registered on the credits side of any value no matter what.
I think your theory is correct.
According to The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf and The Yale Daily News, student-protesters spat upon people attending a free speech event over the weekend:
Must Credit Conor Friedersdorf must be in the cosmotarian stylebook somewhere.
It's not like Conor wore out a pair of shoes finding that link to The Yale Daily News on his own.
Oh Nos! Someone mentioned Conor Freidersdorf in a positive way! On a libertarian website no less!!
Edward Columbia '18 ? a white male who did not register for the event ? walked into the room and began putting up signs along the front of the room which read "Stand with your sisters of color. Now, here. Always, everywhere,"
Christ, dude. There must be easier ways to get laid.
Especially since all you'll get is an SJW (and probably a rape accusation) from it.
I find it unbelievable noteworthy that the Offended Brigade goes out of its way to protest speech *it had no interest in actually listening to*
rather than register & attend the event, respond to the actual content of people's speeches....
...no! they just waited for someone to *post a clip on facebook*, then rushed to spit on the people *who had dared to actually listen to Bad People Say Bad Things*...(*which they themselves had never heard)
It is absurd.
What is doubly absurd is that anyone -ANYONE- treats them with the respect that they utterly fail to show anyone else.
The above-linked Yale Daily News piece... treats their behavior with extreme Gravitas and Evenhandedness.... while detailing facts that clearly make them out to be psychopathic, anti-intellectual thugs, completely disinterested in any sane "dialogue".
No! they're to be *celebrated for their contribution*
""Although I think the protesters misinterpreted the 'Overheard at Yale' post, I think the protest is a good sign of healthy debate and free speech at Yale," Woods said."
Spitting on people who dare to listen to things you won't! = "Healthy Debate"
" Nicholas Christakis"
For Christssakes!
Goddamn, South Park is more relevant than ever.
It's like they're an island on their on fighting the excessive lunacy and derp shitting up our civilization.
Except they don't say anything against the Muslim Prophet...Southpark lost me when they caved on that. This season hasn't been bad though. I just YouTube it later.
Pretty sure it was Comedy Central who enforced that, not Matt and Trey.
(plus there was the little matter of the death threats they got for the episode...
The statement from the two
"In the 14 years we've been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldn't stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasn't some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps. In fact, Kyle's customary final speech was about intimidation and fear. It didn't mention Muhammad at all but it got bleeped too. We'll be back next week with a whole new show about something completely different and we'll see what happens to it."
TIL looking that up: The depiction of Buddha snorting cocaine in "200" and "201" prompted the government of Sri Lanka to ban the entire series outright
The material just writes itself . . .
Good article Robbo, you gave us little to stomp upon.
The piece is refreshingly free of validation of liars, lunatics, sociopaths, and their useful idiots. Well done.
He did forget to mention that the U of M administrator dismissed systemic oppression as a figment of people's imaginations.
I look at it this way. I'm 40-something guy in a technology field, where I actually have to know how to *do* stuff, and these are the people I'll be competing against for work.
My future is secure.
These kids better scrub their Facebook pages and Twitter Feeds, because future employers are going to see that they are a lawsuit waiting to happen and they will not be getting interviews.
THIS. I wouldn't hire any of these pathetic whiny little shits if they were the only people left on Earth to hire. If I had a business, I'd close my doors first rather than risk one of these fucksticks suing me for not "validating their emotions".
Same here.
In big corporations, first cut is HR, which is filled with a shitton of proud Helicopter Mommies who are sooooo happy that their children got a chance to get their protest on.
From personal exprience: when HR gets the first cut, sometimes you only have a choice between shit candidate and shittier candidate.
Exactly. Smart businesses will start ideologically purging these folks before they get their foot in the door. Fortunately, so many of them are idiots that broadcast their dysfunction openly to the world, so they're easy to spot.
That's what affirmative action and "privacy legislation" are for!
I doubt very much that many of these people are engineering majors.
Agreed. Anyone looked at the education of the grad "student" leading the Missouri protest? He's pursuing a degree in "Educational Leadership and Policy Analysis"...a program that Missouri offers that doesn't teach him to be either a teacher or a school administrator. It teaches him to be an education community activist or a lobbyist.
I suspect his entire protest was designed just to advance his profile to build a career, once he realized that his entire education was worthless for landing a paycheck.
that plan worked for Obama so no need to change it.
He's setting himself up quite well to be a member of some government or large corporate EEOC goon squad.
Don't underestimate their ability to tear the whole thing down to get their way.
Yeah, I use to be afraid of competition in the workforce but most of these kids are overpaying for a worthless degree in Psychology.
First let's fence the stupid campus in, so that nobody can leave.
"Safe spaces" are the opposite of universities. They are, by definition, insane asylums. These protestors want to live in one. Let's let them.
These squalling, immature brats should be sent home to mommy and daddy to finish growing up.
Why should the parents take them back, when they spent all of that money on college to babysit them?
I mean, I'm 11 years from that, but I will be very pissed off if that's the status of college at that time.
I mean, I'm 11 years from that, but I will be very pissed off if that's the status of college at that time.
It's clear that many of today's students?at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses?don't value free expression the way their radical predecessors did. But the Yale and Missouri incidents reveal something even more startling: they don't value their own independence, either. Their goal is to re-enshrine in loco parentis
You want to fix that? It's actually quite easy. Find the biggest fundamentalist fuckweasel you can round up and put him (or her) in charge as Dean of Students. I guarantee, within a semester, the students will discover the beauty and wonders of free expression and personal independence.
Sue Sylvester?
I am doing my best to make sure my kids don't turn into this type of zombie. And I truly fear getting a visit from the authorities.But we Gen X HAVE TO make sure that we can entrap this generation between us and our kids. If we don't, we're are going to be thoroughly screwed. We will be "legally" looted of everything we have.
Its all about who actually raises your children, IMO. As an early crop of millennial, I got to see these types of kids growing up, and I noticed the difference between the way they were raised and the way I was raised. They were raised by their peers, their teachers, and the TV. The parents stepped in on the weekends to shuttle the kids around to a bunch of "participation trophy" activities, and that was about it.
Children require some level of legitimate authority, or else they seek out illegitimate authority. We have entire generations of children whose primary authority is a $10/hour education major who drank the koolaid in her critical theory classes.
I think it's haunting how Edward Alsworth Ross put it: the role of the teacher is "to collect little plastic lumps of human dough from private households and shape them on the social kneading board." (Credit to Judge Nap in "Theodore and Woodrow")
This is all by design, and it has been 100 years in the making. The result is simple... make children doubt the (usually legitimate) authority of their parents in favor of the (usually illegitimate) authority of the State.
I don't want to debate. I want to talk about my pain.
Somebody needs to send the bitch to bed without dinner.
saw the video. what fools these kids are. i wonder if once in power they will try to hide info form the media then as well. they have learned well From Hillary.
Robby so missed the students' point. They don't want administrators to "feel their pain"' They want administrators to punish those who made them hurt.
It's not a tender hug the students want - it's whips, chains & the gallows for those who made them feel unsafe. It's punishment.
This is so very important. Any couching of the issues in freedom and rights is a non-sequitur. It's all about revenge and punishment.
Another interesting contrast in Conor's piece =
the Yale master who students are agitating to have removed from his post tweeted a *defense* of his critics, saying (re: the video of him being yelled at)
"Nicholas Christakis listened and gave restrained, civil responses. He later magnanimously Tweeted, "No one, especially no students exercising right to speech, should be judged just on basis of short video clip"
Of course, the people he is defending to saw a clip of Greg Lukianoff on Facebook...
.... and immediately ran out to protest his 'Verbal Violence Against Native Americans' and spit on people who listened to him
Everyone seems to fall over themselves insisting these snowflakes need to be given special treatment, the benefit of the doubt, and to laud their "good intentions" (as Conor calls them)....
... and until now, their complete, utter contempt for mature, rational, civil discourse has been given a complete pass.
Will it ever stop if no one stands up to it and calls it what it is?
We need more people to take this approach.
Exactly.
They don't play by the golden rule. They don't deserve to be treated like adults until they act like them.
So this is the disturbing spawn that the Baby Boomers gave birth to?
It figures.
Not that this applies to all boomers, but they were a generation of crypto-communists and communist sympathizers, whose campus activism was clear the model that these totalitarian bullies are seeking to emulate.
Baby Boomers gave birth to children in the late 60s and early 70s. These kids are at the tail end of the millennial generation... their parents are Gen Xers.
To elaborate:
Baby Boomers were born roughly 1945-1963
Gen X was 1963-1985
Millenials were 1985-2001
The post-9/11 generation is 2001-present.
Millenials are people who came of age around the millenium. They coincide strongly with the baby boomer 'echo', meaning they are the boomers kids. The echo didn't start in the 60s and 70s, it started in the 80s and lasted into the 90s.
Boomers didn't start having kids until their 30s.
http://tinyurl.com/q82bcdh
Through the late 1960s and the early 1970s, births remained well below four million a year, dipping to only 3.1 million in 1973. But in 1977, annual births began climbing again signaling the start of a new baby boom, the so-called "echo boom." The daughters of the baby boomers had entered their prime childbearing years and were having their own baby boomlet. Initially, the annual number of births remained below the four million level, but in 1989 births topped that mark for the first time in a quarter of a century.
OK, they are the boomers grandkids, basically.
You're probably both half right. My guess is the millenial's parents are split between boomers and xers. Hell, my little sister is gen Z. (Born 1995) My mom got pregnant ten years after my younger brother was born. The generations by birth year don't coincide perfectly with generations within families
GenX are the grandkids of the 'Silent Generation'
Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story.
I'm a millennial and my parents are boomers. They were only in their late 20s when I was born.
I watched that whole video. Pathetic. These people are too stupid to breathe. If I am being pushed around in the name of "respecting space" or being spat upon when exiting a symposium, the violence is reciprocated until the perp is shitting swastikas all over the campus quad.
Are there any anti-war protests at colleges these days or did that end when Bush Jr left?
As long as there is no draft, there'e no need for anti-war protests on campus. It's not their problem.
But Bernie will tell you if if wasn't for Bush invading wherever there would be enough money to give everyone free college
The libertarian response to a successful protest movement that they are opposed to, of course, is to bitch about it in their pajamas.
I'm not calling on them to be silenced or arrested. But I do think this attitude is destructive and I don't like where it could lead. So yeah, I'm going to criticize it.
Being a libertarian doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.
What success? The president resigned without admitting to white male privilege. The university obviously had to protect their cash cow and nudged him out the door. Wolfe will get a job somewhere else while possibly earning pension from the university.
Half the boycotting players was unsure about the whole thing. At least three of them tried to attend practice without knowing it was called off.
Tony, why don't you just admit that you really don't care about perspective, personal freedom, due process, and all those nice things? A mob cost an innocent man his reputation over isolated incidents that may have occurred off campus. Roger Gooddell botched the Ray Rice incident and the entire NFL was slow to address concussion issues, and yet he still has a job.
I'm inclined to agree with you.
Curious what you do?
Make some popcorn. I'm no better; I'm not gonna go to a protest. But I would like to see some liberals and libertarians on campus counter-protest attempts to suppress free expression. Would make for good TV at least.
Hahaha. You're seriously supporting these crybabies?
Why would I be wearing protesters' pajamas?
It was only six months ago American college campuses where embroiled in rape culture hysteria. Feminist victimhood was in ascent and the voice of radical feminism held center stage. These incidents at Yale and the University of Missouri challenge the status quo and threaten to upturn the social justice apple cart. Unless there isn't a limit to the number of separate social injustices contemporary American culture can contemplate at any given time there is a real risk that a competitive struggle for dominance within social justice circles will ensue. IF I'm not mistaken, a gauntlet has been thrown and we can expect that the feminists will push back on this attempt to usurp their current dominance.
I know the Libertarian sentiment towards blacks when it comes to racism is that they should just "suck it up". But this seems to bring strong emotions among blacks...and emotion that whites/conservatives/libertarians simply ignore.
This is the sad truth. But the truth that American Blacks have to live with and understand that making a White College President quit does NOTHING for their cause. And most importantly, blacks need to understand that whites (especially these southern racist whites) will never come around.
This is a nigger-hating nation:
1. Look how whites freaked the fuck out when Obama took office.
2. Look at the civil war. Those southern whites would rather die and lose all their wealth than to let the negro-free.
3. The Whites in the South today are the off-spring of the same whites and nothings going to change.
4. Two presidents (Lincoln and Kennedy) were killed trying to help black people.
5. The very 1st and only time in American History that I can recollect that white people felt what racism felt like was when OJ Simpson was acquitted. This 1st nigger in America to get away with murder and white people wanted to change the jury system after countless acquittals of whites killing blacks.
That's why I disagree with libertarians about discrimination laws. I know no miraculous law will make these whites wanna give blacks a fair share. But at least, it does protect blacks...something I know libertarians/whites/conservatives hate with a passion.
Maybe cause obama is a bad president?
Oh let me tell you Frank. The Biggest casualty in America when it comes to Obama is the vast majority of NON-RACIST Whites that don't like Obama. They don't like Obama's politics, policies, and certain EOs.
I, myself, don't like Obama because he's not liberal enough for me. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 and I'll vote for him again if he runs.
Even though I don't like Obama, I don't think Obama, as a President is especially BAD compared to GWB.
Think about it. In an angered STUPOR, white America elected a black guy over the condition GWB left this country.
And Obama left those racist Rethuglicans in such a stupor that a black man is leading in the polls...
The Obama hatred stems almost exclusively from the fact that he shoved Obamacare down our throats his first few years in office. It has very little to do with race.
Could be the part where he mentored by Communists and domestic terrorists... I imagine if GWB had been besties with a KKK church bomber growing up, people might have freaked about his election too.
1. Look how whites freaked the fuck out when Obama took office.
I know Obama was probably your first election, but listen- people freak the fuck out when ANYONE wins an election. And yes, it's nasty. And yes it's hateful. Pick *any* American election after the Civil War. Any. If you can tell me the dialogue around it was anything less than an Old Testament level of hateful, then you're not even scratching the surface. Don't be willfully ignorant of history.
listen- people freak the fuck out when ANYONE wins an election
That's true. I wasn't happy with GWB. But I didn't go to DC and demanded my country back.
Cite for this happening in the multitudes that you are implying?
The Democrats did , however, convince themselves that the election was stolen , and then rigged, as in the 2004 voting machines thing. So there was plenty of dementia there. At least equal to the birth certificate dementia.
"Let me tell you about race and America, from my own completely detached experience, which is really a conglomeration of basic middle school social studies, TV, and movies.
I don't know any real black people or what they think, but let me tell you all about it."
Is it easier to respond to comments that you make up?
Would responding to actual comments with reasoned argument hurt your wittle bwain?
Name one person, just one who wanted to change the jury system.
I never heard this either, from anyone, white or black. Most people were angered about how the case was prosecuted or defended; many people complained about alleged bias in the jury box; no one actually thought the system should be changed to any appreciable degree.
"1. Look how whites freaked the fuck out when Obama took office."
Wrong. There was no more freak out than when anyone else ever took office. In fact, Obama got most of his votes from whites and even whites who didn't vote for him were proud that the country could elect an unqualified black man.
"2. Look at the civil war. Those southern whites would rather die and lose all their wealth than to let the negro-free."
Sorry, wrong. The South thought they'd win pretty easily. When it was obvious that they had lost, they surrendered.
"3. The Whites in the South today are the off-spring of the same whites and nothings going to change."
Mostly wrong. Most white people who live in the South today have ancestors who didn't live in the Confederacy in 1860 and many of them didn't even live in the US.
"4. Two presidents (Lincoln and Kennedy) were killed trying to help black people.
Half right. Lincoln was a white man who actually did help black people quite a bit, didn't he? And Kennedy's assassination had nothing to do with racism. He was shot by a disaffected communist angry over the Cold War.
"5. The very 1st and only time in American History that I can recollect that white people felt what racism felt like was when OJ Simpson was acquitted."
Completely wrong. No serious person wanted to change the jury system. There were a lot of people who thought that the particular jury was crazy biased. And they were correct.
You can see why "free" college in America is a pipe dream.
Because you wouldn't just fund schools and education. No, you have to pay for countless education communities with their own pseudo student governments, sports teams, dorms, meal plans, educrats and "diversity" enforcement crew, etc.
The left would not permit a church or a private business to conduct itself as if it was a nation onto itself - conducting its own hearing on abuse allegations outside of law enforcement, blocking media on public grounds, sending their agents to disrupt meetings and forums. But they allow this to happen on campus. They drive it.
And they don't blink an eye when the school demonstrably robs a student of his or her constitutional rights. But some isolated racial incidents is enough to warrant an entire narrative.
isolated racial incidents
Yea, XM, we've been having those for hundreds of years. But I'll tell you this, if you start putting these isolated racial incidents together...
.... they still don't form a pattern or a crisis. Isolated incidents rarely do that. Just like mass shootings.
Hate graffiti and vagrants shouting things at people happen occasionally.
Yup, and you'll have them for all eternity.
There will always be a percentage of the population who aren't good people.
The proper way to deal with it isn't through government force or by acting like a toddler.
Liberals like to portray themselves as the underdogs fighting against "the powerful." This often isn't accurate at all but in this case it is. These Black students in Missouri actually rebelled and ran two powerful White people off of campus. I can't think of an event in recent times where this has occurred. As a millennial who is frustrated with the lack of balls in my generation, I have to commend these students.
And now Robby Soave is calling them "conservative," just proving once again what he is: a cosmotarian, the libertarian equivalent of the #cuckservative.
Jason, you commend these students for running out two White Professional men that had nothing to do with the issues these black students are having?
I'm sorry, I feel that these black students are misguided and getting rid of a White College President will only Anger the white people more.
What exactly is a College President to do? Is he suppose to quit when Black people complain? And, is he also suppose to quit when White students feel that their 1st amendment right of calling a black person a nigger is attacked?
In American. a white kid is free to call a black kid a nigger. It's his 1st Amendment right. And, by not addressing the discrimination against blacks, the School President was protecting the rights of Whites. Right?
"you commend these students for running out two White Professional men that had nothing to do with the issues these black students are having?"
I commend them for actually rebelling against and targeting a powerful White person rather than being used as pawns by Whites and Jews who are waging cultural/political warfare against other pale skinned people. Since the guy they targeted was a liberal he gets no sympathy from me. Of course it won't solve their problems, what will?
Jason, we are all pawns in life, unless you are independently wealthy and have no children.
This is what the American Student is demanding from their College Presidents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U
I personally think it's ridiculous. I'm the father of a 7 year old and a 9 year old. We don't safe space. We don't need 'Anti-Bullying' policies. If anything, I think we need to establish 'Simulated Bullying Environments' starting in 1st Grade.
What's the point of have a "Safe Space" in school when the reality is that once the kid graduates, his boss, co-workers, customers, etc. will ALL BE BULLIES.
The night needs to be capped with an Agile poetry slam.
Ironic that this should be mentioned since I received the following in a work e-mail today...
The SHARP Poetry Slam is a competition at which poets read or recite original work. These performances are then judged on a numeric scale by previously selected members of the audience. Participants will present Sexual Harassment and/or Sexual Assault themed poems focusing on such topics as prevention, culture change, intervention, awareness, and more.
...
Note: All who attend the Poetry Slam will receive credit for the 2016 SHARP - PART 2 Training and will not need to take the training online. Certificates will be issued at the event.
Why yes, I do happen to work for a part of the federal government.
These kinds of articles make me feel pretty fortunate to have gone to college from 1999-2003. Apparently I just got in some sort of brief window of time when you were just allowed to go to college and learn stuff and stuff and then graduate and get a job.
Participants will present Sexual Harassment and/or Sexual Assault themed poems..
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I was getting ready to comment but I have to attend the two minute hate!
"Perhaps the most astonishing thing about these students' censorious actions is how profoundly conservative they are."
I'm not at all sure what this string of words is supposed to mean.
Skimming the thread, I see I'm not supposed to take the word "conservative" literally. So it's a metaphorical form of conservative, but an "astonishing" form.
I'm just trying to imagine William F. Buckley, Jr. putting this passage in God and Man at Yale:
"It's unacceptable when the Master of your college is dismissive of your experiences. The Silliman Master's role is not only to provide intellectual stimulation, but also to make Silliman a safe space that all students can come home to. His responsibility is to make it a place where your experiences are a valid concern to the administration and where you can feel free to talk with them about your pain without worrying that the conversation will turn into an argument every single time. We are supposed to feel encouraged to go to our Master and Associate Master with our concerns and feel that our opinions will be respected and heard."
Fortunately, this quote is from the Yale Daily Herald, not the Yale Daily News which Buckley used to chair when he was a student.
Robby is trying to make it sound like they want a return to the "conservative" times of the 1950s, when Headmasters would restrict student activity and lay down rules that would/should provide comfort and shelter.
Think "Dead Poet's Society" but with more diversity.
I think Robby was just calling these children the one thing they despise the most.
I actually thought it was kind of funny, and didn't think he was taking a dig at conservatives.
By the way, amid all this PC nonsense, nobody seems to be objecting to the use of the term "Master" to describe university officials who supervise students.
Maybe the students get off on having a Master?
And this will be my last attempt at a Master joke in response to this story.
At least I think it will.
Comedy is an art form that one must master to perform effectively.
Conservatives, eh?
*squints at video*
I don't see no TEAPARTY T-shirts, Christian Fish pendants, or chewing tobacco spit cups. Are you sure?
Or, are you saying that they're literally* conservatives?
On the other hand, they do seem to be fairly passionate about bashing the media, so there's that.
*as Sean Hannity uses the word
"...how profoundly conservative they are..."
"They reject ...adulthood itself."
Hmmmm.
*Looks thoughtfully with hand on chin, moves to the other side and looks from a different angle*
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Conservatives may be security minded more than (rather than?) liberty minded, but I don't see where conservatives reject adulthood. If conservatives are wanting to reinstitute in loco parentis, it's because they want to be the loco parents.
Did you see that, Matt and Nick? The Libertarian Moment just said, "fuck this shit" and jumped over the cliff.
I hope you're happy now.
I don't really give a rat's ass what these colleges do. Just don't insist that I pay for any of it. College kids are the biggest sissies imaginable, other than the resigning administrators who are their equal.
Every generation finds a way to rebel that makes their elders furious...
And some of 'em are productive. Most are not. Very few are so destructive to fundamental liberties.
The blog Vox Popoli/VoxDay posted a rant about college by just saying Let the witches burn.
And one other blog post about it on a blog named Countenance blog.
how does a person get thier message out to the masses if they won't let the media report on it
You think maybe their agenda isn't to get some sort of message out, but is a bit more direct and sanguine?
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Perhaps to help apply a salve, Silliman College should change the name to Sillinegro College?
They should be treated, and addressed, as the little babies they have shown themselves to be. Turn their classrooms into nursery schools, and provide diapers as part of the football team's uniform. Then the widdle cwybabies can decide if that's what they really want -- and if they want to be adults, insist that they act like them.
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around young black people in Missouri demanding a larger police presence.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around young black people in Missouri demanding a larger police presence.
"Perhaps the most astonishing thing about these students' censorious actions is how profoundly conservative they are."
You keep using that word. I do not think that it means what you think it means.
A lot of people forget that not all of the demonstrations in the '60s were anti-war. A lot of them were about abolishing dress codes or curfews that were part of *in loco parentis* policies.
Yale students attempted to block the door at the free speech forum and then spat on attendees as they left. Congratulations, Yalies: you're the 21st Century's answer to Bull Connor.
There is not a time in history when college students were less prepared to be in the workforce. My term for the personality trait of these whiners is hyper-narcicism.
These minority brats have no respect for those that have lived through serious life challenges because of racism. They are in an era where they have the ability to be educated and many of them come from families that are financially successful. Sure, there is still racism. Small minded people still say and do terrible things. By someone calling you the N word or something similar you are not carrying an equal burden to your grandparents that couldn't go to certain restaurants or those before them that were enslaved. That's when there was white privilege.
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