Iraq War

The War in Iraq, Part ?

Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter says to expect more U.S. "direct action on the ground" in Iraq.

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via NBC

At a Senate Armed Forces Committee hearing today, Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter acknowledged the United States was involved in "direct action on the ground" against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), saying the U.S. wouldn't "hold back from supporting capable partners in opportunistic attacks against" it, "or conducting such missions directly," including with air strikes or ground action.

The U.S. has denied troops deployed in Iraq to battle ISIS would be involved in "combat," but after Delta Force commando Joshua Wheeler was shot and killed during a rescue operation to free hostages from an ISIS prison, Carter admitted the operation was a "combat" one and that more raids like it would follow. The U.S. says American and Kurdish commandos received information the hostages were going to be killed. A White House deputy press secretary insisted the Obama administration had "no intention of long term ground combat."

Army Specialist David Hickman was the last U.S. service member to be killed in combat before President Obama announced the end of the combat mission in 2011 as agreed upon by Iraq and the U.S. government in 2008. While Foreign Policy reports Wheeler is the first combat casualty in Iraq since then, iCasualty.org lists Sgt. Anthony Salazar as having died from hostile fire in "southwest Asia" on April 13, 2015. Salazar's death was reported at the time as having been during a "non-combat related incident" while serving as part of Operation Inherent Resolve, the U.S. war against ISIS, and under investigation by the Defense Department.

At today's hearing, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) lambasted the "half-assed strategy" the U.S. was pursuing in Iraq and Syria, lamenting that not a "damn thing" was being done to get rid of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Russia escalated its pro-Assad intervention in Syria earlier this month with air strikes it said targeted ISIS locations in Syria but the U.S. claims has hit non-ISIS rebels instead. Pressed at the hearing by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) as to whether the U.S. would provide support for rebels it backed if they came under attack by Russia, Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford, who joined Carter at the hearing, insisted Russian air strikes had not targeted the Free Syrian Army, the U.S.'s preferred rebel group in Syria.

President Obama has not commented on the acknowledgement of renewed combat in Iraq.

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  1. Infinite war fought in the most half-assed, incompetent manner possible. How’s that Peace Prize working out?

  2. Graham, McCain, and Obama. Truly, we are led by the best among us.

    blech.

  3. At today’s hearing, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) lambasted the “half-assed strategy” the U.S. was pursuing in Iraq and Syria, lamenting that not a “damn thing” was being done to get rid of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    Staring longingly into John McCain’s eyes while he said it.

    1. Graham gave himself the vapors with language like that.

    2. Senator Huckleberry Closet-Case.

  4. A White House deputy press secretary insisted the Obama administration had “no intention of long term ground combat.”

    “Yes, unfortunately the Obama administration will be over in, what, fifteen months?”

    1. Define “unfortunately”

      1. Yep, Hillary will be in soon to fix everything!

      2. White House deputy press secretary: “Unfortunately, I’ll be out of a job.”

  5. How many years did we go without some dumbfuck war/peackeeping operation after the fall of the Soviet Union? Like a few years or something until Bosnia?

    Seems like perpetual war is par for the course.

    1. The Soviet Union ceased to exist in December of 1990. We did the Gulf War I the following year and went into Somalia in the fall of 1992.

      But don’t worry about Iraq. Make the best of it and laugh your ass off as you watch these retards go back in there despite spending the last 12 years screaming about “Bush’s illegal War”. Yeah, Bush’s illegal war; the war you retards can’t help but keep fighting.

      1. So is this legally a new war since Obama declared the illegal war over ?

        1. It is totally a new war. The old one ended the day we left in 2011. Iraq is a sovereign nation and we ask them to leave. All combat operations ceased.

          Anything that happens now is a new war.

          1. It’s new wars all the way down!

    2. There was also the Gulf War, and operations in Somalia rammed in there. I’m sure some other places I’m not even aware of.

        1. Speaking of illegal wars that were massive strategic blunders. Funny how Progs are so fucking concerned about “illegal wars” yet never mention that one.

          1. Ohh, I forgot about this one:

            Under President Bill Clinton, the US participated in Operation Uphold Democracy, a UN mission to reinstate the elected president of Haiti, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, after a military coup.

            1. Clinton also boldly bombed that aspirin factory in the Sudan.

      1. Did every one here forget Panama? H.W, Bush’s war on drugs?

        1. That happened before the fall of the Soviet Union.

  6. A White House spokesperson announced today that Delta Force commando Joshua Wheeler, nor any of the other commandos involved in the operation, was wearing boots but were wearing a lower cut version of combat footwear. So our stance of no boots on the ground remains technically correct and as we all know that is the best kind of correct.

    So, if you like your Doctor tough shit and that is what IS is.

    1. It’s OK. John Kerry says it’s not a war war.

      1. It is just some uncontrolled workplace violence. These things happen, okay? You racist Tea Bagging bastard.

    2. It wasn’t combat combat. The guy died as a result of workplace violence.

      1. And the soldier was killed by some devout Islamic terrorists who do not represent Islam and are therefore not Islamic terrorists.

        1. And some film, someplace…

    3. No trail shoes on the ground.

      1. What about boat shoes or crocs?

  7. At today’s hearing, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) lambasted the “half-assed strategy” the U.S. was pursuing in Iraq and Syria, lamenting that not a “damn thing” was being done to get rid of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    All Senator Tennessee Williams wants is a solution where we depose Assad, but the power vacuum isn’t filled with Islamic extremists. It didn’t work in Iraq or Libya, but maybe the third time is a charm?

    1. Well, there is that freedom loving Free Syrian Army we could bank on.

  8. Hey, maybe third time’s a charm?

    1. And it will still be “Bush’s war” even though we left and all combat ended almost four years ago.

      1. I saw no reason for Bush to invade Iraq in the first place. I give hm credit though for following through on the Powell doctrine of “if you break it you own it” and after all the fuck ups ( disbanding the Iraqw Army #1 ) they had the violence tamped down and a lid back on the pot. ( A lid they took off in the first place I add )

        Obama owns this ISIS crap lock stock and barrel yet he won’t even acknowledge it’s true name and tries to call it something neither ISIS nor the rest of the world calls it. He insists on naming it ISIL.

        1. Obama doesn’t own this clusterfuck, you nimwit.

          Iraq was a total shithole before he was inaugurated.

          1. Could you repeat that, I couldn’t hear you with Obama’s cock in your mouth.

          2. Yes he does you fuckwad. He is the one who chose to leave and let it get this bad. And now he is choosing to go back in.

            Are you going to join up to fight Obama’s war or you just going to expect other people to die for it? You love wars provided other people fight them for you.

            1. You love wars provided other people fight them for you.

              No, no – that’s Cytofascist!

            2. He is the one who chose to leave

              Nope. The Iraqi government wanted the US to leave and George W. Bush said ok.

              Leaving was the right thing to do btw even though the US didn’t entirely leave.

          3. John: And it will still be “Bush’s war” even though we left and all combat ended almost four years ago.

            Plugs: Obama doesn’t own this clusterfuck, you nimwit.

            I score this one to John.

            1. Nope. Dubya fully owns the Iraq War and the following shitstorm. Obama would own the new situation if he sent more troops over and only then.

              1. “Obama would own the new situation if he sent more troops over and only then.”

                Well this is exactly what we are talking about, He left Iraq with no American troops and said it was over.

                Now we have ISIS and he is having to put troops back in after he said he wouldn’t just months ago.

                1. Well this is exactly what we are talking about, He left Iraq with no American troops and said it was over.

                  That’s BOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSHHHHHH!

                  http://bit.ly/1IEd9qx

                  Fuck.

          4. I wouldn’t blame Obama if he had simply said “fuck it” and cut our losses with Iraq and Afghanistan.

            But as it is, I find myself agreeing with Graham: Obama is half-assing everything about it. If there’s no coherent strategy or endgame then stay the fuck out. We gain absolutely nothing in the current situation of leaving guys in the suck and not giving them the tools or authorization to accomplish anything.

            1. “current situation of leaving guys in the suck and not giving them the tools or authorization to accomplish anything.”

              Well, we have 23 veterans a day committing suicide every day.

              There’s that?

            2. Walking away and letting it burn is my preferred solution.

          5. Uh ButtPlug. I didn’t say Obama owns Iraq.

            I said he owns ISIS.

            That’s ISIS ButtPlug and not ISIL either

            Yes he owns it ButtPlug. The violence had been tamped down and a finished ( albiet a wrong one ) war was over. Obama refused to put any effort into leaving any troops behind to preserve that peace ( see Korea, japan, and Germany for reference points) even though he has a Nobel prize for Peace.

            ISIS belongs to Obama and all you idiots who blindly support him. I give you a d- for the attempt at deflection though. Good thought but your execution was laughable.

            1. Obama refused to put any effort into leaving any troops behind to preserve that peace

              Because of the Status of Forces Agreement worked out between Maliki and George W. Bush.

              http://bit.ly/1IEd9qx

              The U.S.?Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

              Goddam you conservatives hate Obama so much that you’ll make shit up all day, just so you don’t blame Dubya for HIS and entirely HIS total fuck up.

              1. Its pretty sorry when someone willfully confuses the difference between the legal defination between combat forces and peacekeeping forces for political reasons..

                Obama had the option to leave some Peacekeeping troops behind and he chose not to so that he could pacify guys like you.

                And therefore here we are now.

                Yeah. Obama owns this suck , lock tock and barrel. Especially after 7 fucking years regardless of what he inherited since all Presidents inherit something they don’t like.

                1. Its pretty sorry when someone willfully confuses the difference between the legal defination between combat forces and peacekeeping forces for political reasons..

                  Are you fucking shitting me? So the “peacekeeping” forces wouldn’t be engaged in combat?

          6. Palin’s Buttplug|10.27.15 @ 6:32PM|#
            “Obama doesn’t own this clusterfuck, you nimwit.
            Iraq was a total shithole before he was inaugurated.”

            So turd admits the man is totally incompetent in his role as POTUS. 6+ years to simply get us out of a war, and I guess he’s still ‘evolving’.

        2. There are plenty of ways to criticize our Middle East policy over the last couple decades with the benefit of hindsight, but it was no big secret that if we left a vacuum in Iraq it would get filled by something resembling the previous degenerates.

          The bigger mistake is ignoring Iran back in 2009 when there was a chance that the mullahs could be challenged by the green revolution. Iran was, is and will continue to be our biggest enemy in the region and the idea of negotiating with them about anything is asinine. This isn’t going to change as long as President Not My Fault remains in office.

          1. It was Obama choosing sides with the mullahs over the protestors that got me seriously wondering who he really wanted to come out on top in MENA.

            Nothing he has done since has convinced me that he isn’t angling for Muslim fundamentalists to run the whole show. I think his genius plan is one that even Henry Kissinger would balk at:

            Get Shiite nutters in charge in some places (Iran, etc.), and the Sunni nutters in charge in others (Muslim brotherhood, etc.), and let them fight each other ad infinitum rather than bothering us. Its that peculiar combination of cold-blooded and bone-headed that I have come to associate with Obama.

      2. John, why are you so eager to defend Bush? His invasion of Iraq was a disaster – Obama’s disastrous incompetence doesn’t change that

        1. Right? I mean Obama hasn’t handled Iraq perfectly (and by that I mean completely removing all US government personnel) but everything that’s happened in Iraq lies at the feet of the neocons and their chief enabler, Dubya.

  9. I thought ISIL was the JV team or something.

    Well, at least this won’t be a ‘stupid’ war, right?

    1. Well see it’s like this.

      ISIL is a JV team. ISIS however is a whole nudder ting. Obama was talking about ISIL when he called it a JV team, not ISIS. See, ISIS might require boots on the ground, ISIL does not.

      You need to get your Presidential MisDirection Visor recallibrated.

  10. On a quick scan of the article, I’m wondering if any government employee told the truth, with the lonely exception of Carter being forced to admit we are back in combat and will stay that way indefinitely:

    Carter admitted the operation was a “combat” one and that more raids like it would follow.

    Everything else looked a lie to me.

  11. Boots on the ground!
    Boots on the ground!
    Lookin’ like a fool
    whicha
    Boots on the ground!
    Which yer helmet on sideways
    lookin’ like Dukakis
    looking like a fool whicha
    Boots on the ground!

    /”Pants on the Ground” Guy’s Latest

  12. Funny seeing all the Reasoners arguing that Obama is AWFUL for withdrawing from Iraq without leaving troops behind.

    This mistake wasn’t leaving, retards. The mistake is going back in.

    1. Looking at other articles, the commenters here seem to have bought the McCain/Graham criticism that Obama is “too weak” and doesn’t bomb enough

  13. New troll alert….aoooooga

    1. Yep – “Set level to DerpCon 2”

  14. ” the Obama administration had “no intention of long term ground combat.””

    Not long ago it was, “end US involvement in Iraq”
    Then it was “Help them stabilize, but no ground troops”
    Then it was “Ground troops, but no ‘combat role'”
    Then it was, “Ok, its combat, but we like to think of it more like a quicky than a long-term relationship”

    8 years Obama has had to form some kind of coherent policy – and mostly it has entailed telling us what he “wasn’t” doing. Because there is no ‘goal’ ever articulated. Just a perpetual process of ‘being sort-of involved’ while denying any actual commitment.

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