The Terrible, Privacy-Violating CISA Bill Seems Destined for Passage
All your data belongs to the government.


Let's tell private businesses in America that they should share consumer data with the federal government to help stop vague cyberthreats, and in exchange immunize them from liability for any possible violations of users' privacy. What could possibly go wrong?
Looks like we are close to finding out. The Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act (CISA) passed the Senate today by a vote of 74 to 21. A different version passed the House earlier in the year, so they're going to have to conference to hammer out differences. Retail business interests supported the legislation. Major Internet and tech firms like Google, Apple, Yahoo, and Twitter (essentially the same companies who have been resisting the National Security Agency's mass metadata collection) opposed it.
Wired summarizes the concerns about version the Senate passed:
CISA is designed to stem the rising tide of corporate data breaches by allowing companies to share cybersecurity threat data with the Department of Homeland Security, who could then pass it on to other agencies like the FBI and NSA, who would in theory use it to defend the target company and others facing similar attacks. That landslide vote was no doubt fueled in part by a year of massive hacks that hit targets including the health insurer Anthem, Sony, and the Office of Personnel Management.
But privacy advocates and civil liberties groups see CISA as a free pass that allows companies to monitor users and share their information with the government without a warrant, while offering a backdoor that circumvents any laws that might protect users' privacy. "The incentive and the framework it creates is for companies to quickly and massively collect user information and ship it to the government," says Mark Jaycox, a legislative analyst for the civil liberties group the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "As soon as you do, you obtain broad immunity, even if you've violated privacy law."
The version of CISA passed Tuesday, in fact, spells out that any broadly defined "cybersecurity threat" information gathered can be shared "notwithstanding any other provision of law." Privacy advocates consider that a vague and potentially reckless exemption in the protections of Americans' personal information. "Every law is struck down for the purposes of this information sharing: financial privacy, electronic communications privacy, health privacy, none of it would matter," says Robyn Greene, policy counsel for the Open Technology Institute. "That's a dangerous road to go down."
Attempts to add amendments to narrow the bill's focus all failed. Oh, and there's more. The Sunlight Foundation (a group devoted to government transparency) notes that CISA creates a new exemption from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) for the cybersecurity information sharing. They warn:
That means if they overstep and share the wrong information — as this bill seems to intend — the public won't know, and even if it did, it would have no legal recourse. Meanwhile, the minimal oversight mechanisms within the bill only require reports to be submitted to Congress — not to the public. In other words, CISA guarantees the public will have no ability to see what information is going from companies to the government.
Actual tech experts (as in, not elected political figures or government employees thirsty for data) also don't believe this sharing will actually do much to help stop cyberthreats. And given exactly what happened with the hacking of federal employee data from the Office of Personnel Management, what happens to us if all that collected data gets stolen after it's in government hands?
Andrea Castillo previously explained why CISA doesn't work as advertised here at Reason.
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Because I'm your biggest fan, and I follow you everywhere.
So here again is the costume which the First Lady sees in her nightmares.
what happens to us if all that collected data gets stolen after it's in government hands?
Sorry, Scott, that's classified. National security, you understand.
Pretty sure if you'd like to retrieve it, it'll be 'no tickee, no shirtee!'
If, what do you mean if? Isn't OPM's fiasco proof that when is the appropriate form of the question?
Yeah, that's really the scariest part. Now everyone well have your personal information.
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When WASPs dress up for Halloween
Look, do you want to feel protected or don't you?
I do, which is why I want the government to be eliminated.
Does anyone here still think your vote counts? If so, why? I'd honestly like to know how crap like this can be stopped, because I sure didn't want it.
Your vote does count, although it depends on who's running and where.
More like who is counting the vote.
Your vote counts, it just doesn't matter.
If a bill that says "you can do all sorts of things that have laws forbidding them because of this law" is fine and dandy and passes, I don't really see what the point in pretending to have a constitution or any restrictions on government any more.
So, I'm basically where I already was.
You're so cynical. You could be living under people so unafraid of you that they don't even pay lip service to being a government of laws and not of men. You ingrate.
Maybe I'm just wearing my glasses.
Mine are flint.
These are the ones you need
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I'm all out of bubble gum!
To go all philosophical, constitutions and restrictive laws are merely words on paper. There needs to be a collective motivation to apply the words on the paper in a way consistent with the principles undergirding the constitutions and restrictive laws.
IOW, rule of law is an illusion. Rule of law is merely rule of man with the TOP MEN restrained to their written limitations by fear of tar and feathers.
And sadly, tar and feathers have gone out of fashion.
Well, I'm off to prey on the living, so long, mortals, sweet dreams.
Computer related professional liability insurance costs me $2500/year. So I hand over a check each September to some Lloyds of London firm to pay for this. Many of my customers insist that I have it. They won't pay my invoice without proof of this insurance.
I have to qualify for this insurance by filling out an information form. Insurance is stuck in the 1980s so there's no web based forms or Docusign involved. You have to send and receive faxes to get it done.
Here's one the questions on the qualification form:
How many private records do keep for your customers?
I answer 0. This is true! But a flurry of paperwork always comes in its wake.
Yay, another colossal piece of shit law that'll be abused to high fucking heaven brought to us by the fine limited govt. Republicans and the fine civil liberty loving Democrats. As a nice little extra twist of the knife, Paul pussed out and didn't vote at all. George Wallace really was right.
Why didn't he vote against it?
Of the five did not votes, three were Republicans running for president. Rubio and Cruz were the other two. It wouldn't have mattered regardless. Just symoblic and likely pisses people off more.
On the bright side, he says he's going to filibuster the budget deal. So, hey - at least we got that meaningless symbolic gesture.
I would say the filibuster is a hell of a lot more meaningful than voting against something that was overwhelmingly going to pass anyway.
The real purpose of this bill - the government gets more data on all of us (aint much they don't have at this point), and the companies get a liability shield. All in the name of consumer protection.
The liability is shifted from giving over protected data to not giving over data they should have given over. The govt. will get all of our data because not forking it over is by far the riskier path.
Yeah, it seems pretty obvious that every company will immediately share every piece of info they have on you with the government. I mean, why wouldn't they?
Paul, Cruze,Graham (surprisingly), and Rubio (also surprisingly) didn't vote. My guess is they're being noncommittal so they don't piss off either side. I'll forgive Paul if he's laid up in the hospital but, barring that, fuck him.
Rubio's basically abandoned his senate job. He isn't interested in keeping it; if he doesn't win the presidency, he's pretty much done. So he hasn't showed up for a bunch of votes.
Not exactly a classy move, since he is, AFAIK, still being paid to represent his constituents, not run for president...
I wish my senators would abandon their jobs. Hell, I'd pay Moobs double if he would just stay home.
I know this is kind of a dick thing to say, but I'm guessing GOP votes were a lock, any data on dem breakdown?
13 Dem nays. It got a passing majority from both parties.
Ah, excellent. Good to both parties have our back... And are twisting the knife.
Just like it's always been.
How can you not trust government IT to get it right?
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Major Internet and tech firms like Google, Apple, Yahoo, and Twitter ... oppose it
Those companies sell advertisements, so they don't even have a horse in the race. What does Amazon and Ebay think about it?
I'm guessing they both like immunity.
I get the libertarian sensibility on insurance, but in practice, it doesn't always work. With auto insurance it does. That's probably the most often encountered form of insurance. If someone backs into your car in a parking lot you just throw up your hands and let the insurance companies take care of it. This is very civilized. You can take any offset to court. People understand traffic collisions.
Professional liability insurance is another game. Almost no one ever calls a professional liability insurer on his bet. It's pretty much money in the bank for them. A plaintiff cannot take an engineering firm to court over most of the engineer's mistakes. The judge and jury would be fast asleep before opening arguments were concluded.
Hey, does anyone here pronounce privacy with a short i?
No. I'm American.
And straight.
VOWELIST!!!111!
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Only when I'm imitating my disapproving mother. She referred to America as "the colonies" so there's that.
That's hilarious. I am totally going to start doing that.
Here's a big FUCK YOU to The Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act (CISA) and all your communist supporters.
Amen
If they're on CISA, don't do business with them.
They'll probably be immune from having to disclose that fact as well
The USG has not shown great ability to keep its data secret.
They're all going to be in CISA. Even if they are resisting now, they will cave once its passed.
Not being on CISA could become a niche.
That assumes that it remains voluntary. Does anything government does ever remain voluntary?
Libertarian moment?