Bernie Sanders is a Socialist Because the Dodgers Left Brooklyn
Losing the Dodgers was first "painful lesson about big business," but government contributed to "Dem Bums" move to LA.
According to close friends, the Brooklyn Dodgers' exodus from the gritty streets of

Brooklyn for the sunny skies of Los Angeles at the end of the 1957 season had a "deep impact" on presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and gave him his first "painful lesson about big business."
In a piece at The Guardian today, several of Sanders' confidants are quoted as saying that the loss of the Dodgers caused the young man to "question who owns what." One of these friends, Huck Gutman, said the Dodgers' exit was akin to "a company that closes a factory, putting people out of jobs, to take advantage of tax breaks offered in elsewhere." He adds:
"We never understood that he who pays the piper plays the tune. It was a lesson that it doesn't matter whether people love (a team) it's all about the money. I don't think there had been those kinds of things. We all know now the sports world is all about making money but this was the first time we saw it. This was uprooting a club that had all these historical links to the community."
The popular conception, both inaccurate and incomplete, is that greedy Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley never tried to stay in Brooklyn and absconded with the team at the first opportune moment he could. The Guardian quotes Sanders saying on a podcast that O'Malley's move was "a brutal act which impacted Brooklyn in a very significant way."
Factually, O'Malley had a plan to stay in Brooklyn and build a larger, more modern stadium to replace decrepit Ebbets Field, where attendance had been dropping for years. But O'Malley's interests ran counter to those of the ultimate urban central planner, the notorious and legendary power broker Robert Moses, who arguably bears at least as much responsibility for the Dodgers move West.
In 2009, Zack O'Malley Greenburg wrote this for Forbes:
For nearly a half-century, Moses was the most powerful person in New York. He masterminded the reshaping of the city and oversaw the construction of almost every major bridge, tunnel and highway, as well as elegant landmarks like the United Nations and Lincoln Center. In the process, he displaced some 500,000 residents, moving most of them into the housing projects that now stand as decaying monuments to his ruthless agenda.
Moses concocted many plans in his day, but building a new ballpark in Brooklyn was not one of them. In fact, Moses had long been eying Flushing Meadows in Queens–the eventual site of Shea Stadium–as a potential site for a grand arena of imperial proportions. So in 1957, when Walter O'Malley and a cadre of New York politicos began to discuss plans for a ballpark at the corner of Flatbush and Atlantic on the sly, Moses was not pleased.
"Robert Moses did not want the city to help O'Malley build the stadium, and his power was so absolute that he could do that," says Robert A. Caro, author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning book The Power Broker, the definitive and devastating biography of Moses. "He'd been wanting to build a park in Flushing Meadows since the 1930s, if not the 1920s. The fact that it wasn't accessible to Brooklyn meant nothing to him."
Had the prevailing narrative been "extraordinarily powerful and unaccountable bureaucrat chased businessman out of town when he insisted on uprooting the Dodgers from Brooklyn and dropping them on a landfill in Queens," would Sanders' politics have evolved as they did?
Yes, actually. They probably would have. But "greedy capitalist breaks hearts and steals Dem Bums from Brooklyn" is certainly an attractive narrative for a budding socialist to hang onto.
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Even without Moses, loving something is not a claim on it.
+1 "If you love something, set it free..."
Bernie also thinks Cuba is wonderful:
http://www.westernjournalism.c.....really-is/
I wonder why he never moved there to experience the transformation?
The video says that Castro "totally transformed society". Is this not true?
Or to be more direct, you know who else totally transformed society?
John Gorrie and Willis Carrier? (Inventors of the ice-maker and air conditioner, respectively)
Queen Victoria?
Steve Jobs?
Optimus Prime?
Philo T. Farnsworth?
Rev Nicholas Callan?
The Borg?
+1 futlity
Nikolai Tesla?
The band Kiss?
plans for a ballpark at the corner of Flatbush and Atlantic
Whoa, really? A stadium there would have been super accessible especially from Manhattan.
That became the Barclays Center, right?
Yeah the Barclays Center appears to be a very similar idea. I haven't been there since it went up so I don't really know what it's like, though.
If you ever do, don't go for an Isles game. 3/4 of the upper deck can't see the ice.
Look, if I want to watch bad hockey I'll watch the Canucks, thank you very much.
The Islanders are actually good again.
And the Mets are in the World Series. What the hell are the second rate NYC joke teams doing?!? Now if the Jets could have just ruined the Patriots undefeated streak...
Making up for the Knicks?
Not actually being able to see the hockey would make a hockey game way more entertaining.
It's Prospect Heights, so it's infested with hipsters. But there is a nice soccer bar in the area. EVERYONE LOVES SOCCER.
I'm in that area a lot, and it's a mix of everybody. There's a Target across the street, FFS.
I lived at Flatbush and 7th for a few years a couple of years ago and it definitely seemed hipster dominated.
I have no idea if Flatbush and Atlantic is accessible or not, but I assure you Dodger Stadium sure as hell isn't.
It's sitting on nine subway lines and an LIRR terminal, so yeah it is quite accessible.
The two teams Moses's hated the most were The Dodgers and Der Schvartzers.
*Moses
That link goes right back to this very article.
Are you vying for your own brand of Reason fame by getting a link mistake named after you?
That's sort of like campaigning for pope - just isn't done.
I still laugh everytime someone tells SugarFree, "You you'd the link...."
So what would recursively linking to the article be called?
You Hero'd the link?
or, You Mulatto'd the link?
Lactose is a kind of sugar.
Recursion - n: see recursion
"We never understood that he who pays the piper plays the tune."
Hey, simple fuck - apparently you STILL don't understand. He who pays the piper CALLS the tune. The fucking piper PLAYS it. See how that works?
Take it from me - I'm a piper.
Dumbass socialists.
Dipshit can't figure out why it's called Professional Baseball.
Just think how much fun Socialist Baseball will be!
Gotta go to Cuba for that.
Under socialism, we are all equally responsible for the playing of tunes. And paying of pipers. Even if you don't want a piper.
Why would I pay the piper if I have to play the tune, anyway?
2 baseball posts in one day?
What's up with that?
Ain't nobody got time for that!
fuck you. Now I am singing that dumb song.
When children are hungry in this country.
I too was hungry until 30 minutes ago, when two non english-speaking brown people solved that through capitalism.
Look dude, best thing to do is get on the phone and report them to the police and then head to the hospital. They *might*, possible, maybe, could have improperly prepared your food and you might, possibly, maybe get sick.
Best not to take chances - which is why we have the government to protect us.
I'm still hungry after watching the 2008 Drew Carey video on bacon wrapped hot dogs. Never seen one around here and I am not sure if my staff is up to the task of preparing them.
Send them to the old ballgame for some peanuts and cracker jack!
I don't give a fuck if they ever come back.
Dodger dogs are crap! - Adam Carolla
Either that or three more Democrat bashing articles to calm the yokels down because they dared rip the GOP on the Ex-Im Bank bullshit.
I FART ON THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THEIR RENT SEEKING BUTT BOYS IN CONGRESS!!!!!
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"2 baseball posts in one day?
What's up with that?"
Let's play two!
They should have just nationalized the team. Anyone that didn't like it could have been shipped off to Far Rockaway, to labor in the Bungalow Mines.
Well, Far Rockaway *is* the Siberia of New York City.
Beyond here be only Jacob Riis Park.
I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THAT, CAP'N!!!
Those pussies in The Warriors only had to go to Coney Island. If they were really tough they would have made it all the way out to JFK.
I think the rest stop at the border of New York and Connecticut is the Mos Eisley of America. And I've been in the El Paso greyhound terminal.
Dude, always wait until Greenwich or later.
Well I know that NOW.
WHERE MY BASEBALL TEAM GONE??!
"In the process, [Moses] displaced some 500,000 residents, moving most of them into the housing projects that now stand as decaying monuments to his ruthless agenda."
So this was the first Moses to lead people *into* Egypt.
More along the lines of forcing them *out* of Egypt, and then directing them from place to place at whim for 40 years.
I want to know why he built bridges. Couldn't he have just told the river to move the fuck outta the way?
Yeah, well, imagine if the Yankees had given Fidel a contract.
Right? For the price of one substandard Cuban pitching prospect, they could have saved 10 million Cubans from communism.
History is a tricky thing... If Fidel had not been there to send Che to Bolivia, he might have slaughtered everyone on the island.
Good point. Che was very Pol Pot before Pol Pot.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate."
? Che Guevara
Charming.
Bernie/Che 2016!
That's just a made-up quote you found on the internet!
I have an idea for a T-shirt....
The classic Che pic, with "a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate" under it would be an awesome shirt.
Would be the ultimate hookup bait wherever humanities majors congregate.
My idea was something along the lines of constructing the picture using this quote. The KISS principle might be more effective.
Better dead than red, right?
I don't think we have to choose, do we?
"I don't think we get to choose, do we?"
FTFY
How goddamn stupid do you have to be to let your emotions for a sports team influence your political viewpoint?
Bernie Sanders stupid.
*glares at Drake*
Pretty dumb and emotional; Guess what sort of mind socialism appeals to? 😉
Hitler?
Bernie Sanders Stupid?
At least you registered yours. Now you can sic lawyers on Drake.
Show me a leftist and I'll show you someone whose entire view of life, the universe, and everything is based upon emotions. That's why leftists hate libertarians with a white-hot passion: We do our best to leave emotion out and of the picture and instead think like rational human beings.
- 1 and
I like this, therefore everybody is going to like this, therefore everybody should have to pay for it.
It's called narcissism. Bernie--he has it. Like most if not all politicians, especially our narcissist-in-chief.
You like it, or you'll like a night in the Cooler!
+1 Colonel Klink
Hil-a-reeeeeeee!
Knows nuffink!
HOOOOOGAAAAN!
Oh hell no.
I say this in almost every Sanders thread, but that's the entirety of his platform and political belief system. Everything is reduced to his personal preferences.
No society needs that many preferences.
Its why he's so popular - he actually has *principles*.
They're abhorent to any rational person, but he has a fairly internally consistent political philosophy - what I prefer is what is best for the nation.
That's why leftists hate libertarians with a white-hot passion: We do our best to leave emotion out and of the picture and instead think like rational human beings.
Speak for yourself.
I think you are correct, sarcasmic.
Most Republicans view libertarians as "free marketers who want to smoke weed" and shrug their shoulders and reluctantly tolerate us.
But leftists really, really seem to hate us for merely existing.
Hey, now! Bernie was at a tender age in 1957. [googles] He was 16? Jeebus that fucker is old.
Of course. He has to be senile enough to have forgotten everything that happened prior to the Berlin Wall falling.
The same people who love Saunders thought the 5-years-younger-at-the-time Reagan was a doddering old fool who shouldn't be trusted with a TV remote, much less the nuclear football.
Hypocrisy, where is thy sting?
Dude, you do realize that that bit of cognitive dissonance hasn't even occurred to them, right? Like, the possibility of them being self-aware enough to have that realization is approximately equal to the possibility of the next Transformers movie being good.
That was, like, totally different, you know?
Exactly. Just like Shia LeBouf and Mark Wahlberg.
You're not qualified to wash Michael Bay's nutsack, you hater.
*unnecessary explosions and flags, lots of flags*
If Michael Bay didn't have extremely good taste in good looking female leads, I would posit that his movies could qualify as war crimes.
I know, but I still like the wince when I tell them.
In '08 they believed that a woman who has been amayor and then governor for part of a term was obviously unqualified to be the back up chief executive of the country while a man who has been a state legislator and then a part term senator for a similar amount of time was obviously supremely qualified to be the chief executive.
At least the difference between Reagan and Sanders running is over a generation.
Be fair, Palin was a moron and Obama was slick and likeable. If you like intelligent, lazy, conscienceless political operators. Considering they elelcted clinton twice ...
Of course. He has to be senile enough to have forgotten everything that happened prior to the Berlin Wall falling.
Oh, c'mon. That Communism thing wasn't socialism - well, not socialism socialism, like I learned in college, because Sweden.
Sonny: Mickey Mantle? Is that what you're upset about? Mickey Mantle makes $100,000 a year. How much does your father make? You don't know? Well, see if your father can't pay the rent go ask Mickey Mantle and see what he tells you. Mickey Mantle don't care about you, so why should you care about him? Nobody cares.
"He who pays the piper plays the tune"?
That there's Socialism for you.
"Ah! Now we see the collectivism inherent in the system!"
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
PLAY, DAMMIT, PLAY!!!
*pockets fee*
You should mention that the new Dodgers Stadium, while privately financed, would not have been possible if the city had not run poor Latinos out of their homes using eminent domain along with a few bulldozers and armed men.
It was one of the first uses of the "blighted area" canard.
NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PROBLEM.
/.The Donald
/Trump Voice off
"a company that closes a factory, putting people out of jobs, to take advantage of tax breaks offered in elsewhere." He adds:
Or people, fleeing across a border to escape a murderous regime.
Why can't people just accept their lot in life? Why?
We have 30 major league baseball teams. Why so many? Nobody needs 30 baseball teams, particularly when children are going to bed hungry.
Well, Bernie likes baseball teams, so having 30 is OK. I'm pretty sure he doesn't like deodorant, which explains his prior statements, and the odor.
We obviously too many hairbrush options as well.
He gets caught up in the paradox of choice when brushing his teeth also. Really, he just needs a good nurse to take care of all that stuff for him. Like America. And he's going to ensure that every American has that nice nurse to take care of them and ensure they take their medicine on time.
Or people, fleeing across a border to escape a murderous regime.
Give it time, Paul. Probably not until his second term.
So why exactly is Bernie a Senator from Vermont and not New York?
Like everything else Bernie says, the truth is the exact opposite. The Dodgers were ready to build at their own expense a domed stadium at the terminus of the Long Island Railroad. They only didn't and moved to LA because Robert Moses had decided that the new baseball stadium in New York was going to be built in Queens on the grounds of the World's Fair. Moses killed their plan and left the Dodgers no choice but to move to LA.
The Dodgers moving to LA is an example of how government control ruins things. And is a lesson in the perils of giving bureaucrats too much power. Every single thing Bernie says is a lie.
However, to the Sanders-minded collectivists, Robert Moses (and all government types) was controlled by the Capitalists.
If anyone is out near Woodlawn cememtary please feel free to "pay your respects" at Mr. Moses's grave. Just don't dehydrate your throat too much.
Someone might want to publicly remind Sanders that thanks to John F. Kennedy, this country confronted communism!
You know who else named "Bernie" duped a lot of people and destroyed their savings?
Bernie Goebbels?
Bernie the Purple Dinosaur?
Bernie Goetz? If by "a lot" you mean four.
Is this a "thing"? ... parents slapping both of their last names on their kids?
Sure, happens all the time.
Even worse, adults do it to themselves: Antonio Villaraigosa
His daughter will be Sophia O'Malley-Greenburg-Cippolini-Benson, and then they'll just change names and start over.
There are other ways to combine names, like with the former Peter Wasel and the former Catherine Foster who, when they married, combined their last names to make "Fosl."
I'm not making this up.
Geez, they could have gone with "Waster".
Any story can be brought up to cover the real reason why Sanders is a socialist ?because he's a loathsome, evil person? or why would anybody be a socialist, for that matter.
Hey, Sanders, you can have my bat and balls when you pry them from my...complete the sentence yourself.
The Dodgers moving to LA gave us superfan Alyssa Milano.
Indeed
Hey, Sanders is kind of cute, too.
C'mon man, if you're gonna do it, do it right.
Who indeed?
And God gave us Alyssa Milano.
The ultimate TOP MAN. The berntards must think he's dreamy.
That's utterly insane! Who considers the United Nations an "elegant" landmark?
Well, it had a kind of sixties elegance at one time. Now it just looks like a public housing project. Tastes change.
We are talking about Sanders and you are asking this question?
While we're discussing Halloween costumes:
The heck with the Princess, they can stomp on me any time!
The intersection of eros and thanatos
This ties into an earlier thread.
These will make you stay in your bunk for hours.
Ooh, baby, you look good enough to eat!
ISIS continues efforts of diplomacy:
http://www.seattletimes.com/na.....w-them-up/
it always goes back to some childhood trauma.
Socialism is inherently a conservative economic philosophy: it despises changes in the ownership, management, production, and uses of goods. Bernie and his ilk cannot tolerate the fact that businesses change both for objective economic reasons and for the subjective, personal preferences of the owners.
Why should reactionaries like Bernie get to tell me what I want to do with my property? Why don't Bernie and his ilk form their own baseball team that can't leave its place of inception and leave the Dodgers alone?
Maybe they should send the Yankees back to Baltimore and the Orioles back to St.Louis?
Stoave: Jesus fucking Christ! There is NOTHING IN YOUR LINKED ARTICLE about U of Cal criminalizing criticism of Israel, you dumbshit. How many dishonest, anti-Israel douchbags are working for Reason now? Are there any editors who read this stuff before it is posted?
The weird thing is that the sane writers at Reason/Hit and Run (whatever their opinion of Israel) don't seem to care. This dishonest shit really damages the brand and marks Reason as a bunch of not-serious motherfuckers.
Enjoy your obscurity along side paleo-conservative Catholics and the "anti-Zionist" left.
As I read this article I kept thinking, Caro covered this, nice to see him inserted. Hell I'd rather be governed by Caro than Sanders any day of the week.
does a city really need 3 teams Bernie?
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