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Politics

How Hillary Clinton's Private Email Setup Continues to Shield Her From Scrutiny

Federal judge says he has no FOIA authority over Clinton's private email system.

Peter Suderman | 10.8.2015 11:49 AM

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Hillary Clinton's defenders have argued that her exclusive use of a private email system while serving as Secretary of State was in no way intended to protect her correspondence from FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests—and indeed, couldn't.

In July, for example, journalist Kurt Eichenwald wrote in Newsweek that "Using a private account would not, in any way, shield Clinton's correspondence from congressional or FOIA requests," because anything a State Department "official writes as part of the job—whether by email, telegraph or handwritten on personal stationery—is subject to a FOIA request."

Tell that to the federal judge overseeing a court case about Clinton's emails.

District Judge Reggie Walton ruled yesterday that he could not force Clinton to search for and hand over copies of the roughly 31,000 messages on her personal email server that she did not turn over to the State Department for review and record-keeping, because they were not under the State Department's authority, The Hill reports:

The fact that Clinton used only her personal property in setting up the private email system — and not any devices issued by the State Department — means the issue is beyond the scope of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), Walton said.

"I just don't see what my authority under FOIA would be," he said during a hearing in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

"It seems to me, having not used State Department devices … it would be difficult … for me to conclude… that the information contained on her private server … is information that the State Department possessed."

Clinton's defenders might protest that the messages that weren't turned over were personal in nature. After all, in August, Clinton signed a document certifying that she had turned over all work-related emails. Shouldn't we trust her?

Probably not, given that the State Department confirmed last month that multiple work-related emails had been found that had not been turned over, despite Clinton's shockingly-not-entirely-true certification to the contrary.

Indeed, Clinton has repeatedly delivered excuses that quickly proved dubious, misleading, or totally false as the email story has developed, enough so that at this point, there's no reason to assume that she's telling the truth about this matter.

Anyway, this isn't the first time that Clinton's unusual private email setup has made her communications unavailable to FOIA requests. Back in 2013, a Gawker reporter asked the State Department for all of Clinton's correspondence with Sidney Blumenthal, a close Clinton-family confidante, but State responded there were no such records.

We now know that Clinton corresponded extensively with Blumenthal, a shady loyalist who was blocked from an official job with Clinton at State by the Obama administration. But the State Department couldn't provide any documents responsive to Gawker's original request because State didn't have any of Clinton's email. It was all in her private possession.

Whatever the intention behind Clinton's private email setup, the remarkably convenient  practical effect is clear: She's been protected from scrutiny and investigation, and with the ruling yesterday, it now appears that she's managed to shield herself from at least some legally mandated transparency too. 

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  1. Rasilio   10 years ago

    I think this very scenario is the self evident intention of using a private email server

    1. Fist of Etiquette   10 years ago

      And why doing so was made illegal by the Federal Records Act.

  2. Drake   10 years ago

    This is exactly why she did it. It hides her many failures and her auctioning off of U.S. foreign policy with Bill's help.

  3. Adam330   10 years ago

    Regardless of whether the State Department had the records at the time the emails were sent, they FBI certainly has them now. So the judge doesn't need to force Clinton to look through the emails. He can just tell the government to do it.

    1. Drake   10 years ago

      So do the Russians, Chinese, Israelis, and anyone else who cared to see them.

      1. Mazakon   10 years ago

        Which is anybody who has the means and has an interest in a Clinton presidency.

      2. Timon 19   10 years ago

        The Israelis are almost certain to have hacked her account, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were behind one of the "detected attempts" attributed to another country. They're really, really good at spying.

        1. Drake   10 years ago

          They were probably insulted at how easy it was to collect all her information.

          1. Troglodyte Rex   10 years ago

            Well her password is FuckYouMonicaWithACigar

        2. Illocust   10 years ago

          Amazing how having hostiles directly on your border who actually are trying to kill you makes you good at these sort of things.

          1. Timon 19   10 years ago

            Yeah, but they turn most of their spying on the US government and especially US-based industrial companies and military contractors. Believe me.

            1. NotAnotherSkippy   10 years ago

              Not our precious democratic allies! They would never do that!

              1. Timon 19   10 years ago

                Never!

    2. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

      Yes . see my comments below

  4. Almanian - just Almanian   10 years ago

    OT: El Chappo puts a bounty on The Donald. But it's not UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE (in The Donald's circles, anyway).

    http://www.mediaite.com/online.....ald-trump/

    1. Florida Man   10 years ago

      Solution:101 million dollar bounty on El Chappo!

      1. Almanian - just Almanian   10 years ago

        Florida Man - The Problem Solver!

        *waves tiny American flag*

        1. Florida Man   10 years ago

          Look, if you want simple easy solutions that won't work, I'm your man.

          1. Almanian - just Almanian   10 years ago

            *puts down Rusty Woodchipper drink, picks up ANOTHER tiny American flag and waves it vigorously*

          2. Sevo   10 years ago

            Are you running for an office where I can vote?

            1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

              Florida Man is an unelected position.

              You have to earn it with a lifetime of impulsive, trashy behavior.

              1. Citizen X   10 years ago

                Attaining Florida-Manhood is kind of like attaining sainthood, except the opposite of that.

                1. Florida Man   10 years ago

                  You have to stop 3 miracles?

                  1. Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper   10 years ago

                    Three abortions would suffice for that, I think - SO YOU'RE IN!

                  2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                    3 miracles have to stop you from doing what you do.

                  3. Citizen X   10 years ago

                    All i'm saying is, St. Francis never handed his beer to one of his disciples and then said "Now watch this!"

            2. Florida Man   10 years ago

              Sometimes I think about running for office and then I just smash my penis with a hammer instead.

              1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                You should never have gotten snipped. Now you're going to have to get really creative to get those 3 abortions...

                1. Florida Man   10 years ago

                  I've got loads of coat hangers.

  5. Episiarch   10 years ago

    This would actually be funny if it weren't so appalling. Talk about rule of man and not being one of the little people.

    1. Hugh Akston   10 years ago

      The funny part is how the things Hillary does in her mad, sad, pathetic scramble for power and prestige in the elite circles end up costing her the power and glory she seeks.

      The sad part is the pile of corpses and ruined lives she leaves heedlessly in her wake.

      1. Episiarch   10 years ago

        The darkness drops again but now I know
        That twenty centuries of stony sleep
        Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
        And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
        Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

        1. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

          Hopkins? Thomas?

          1. Wasteland Wanderer   10 years ago

            Yeats.

      2. Cyto   10 years ago

        Interesting take. I heard Penn Jillette saying basically the same thing when discussing Trump. He was talking about people going on the Apprentice and cheating to win on a stupid, meaningless game show. He said the sad part wasn't cheating, and it wasn't that they wanted so badly to win a game show judged by Trump... what was truly sad was cheating and losing.

        But in Hillary's defense, they've already won. After Bill's time was up, all they needed was for her eventual election to the presidency to seem probable, or even just plausible. This is the lever that pried all of those millions from corporate coffers and the wallets of the uber-rich. It certainly isn't her personal charm or their intense, burning desire to see her policy goals finally implemented. So whether she wins or not, she's gotten more from the process than any candidate in history. And since there isn't a serious challenger on the D side, she's got almost another full year to milk the sycophants who want a seat at the Clinton administration food trough, even if she loses.

        1. PapayaSF   10 years ago

          And if she withdraws or doesn't get the nomination, she can legally keep all those campaign donations. Not personally, of course, but she can donate them to, say, a favorite non-profit organization that employs her and her family and cronies....

          1. Cyto   10 years ago

            Which isn't hypothetical. Their foundation has hundreds of millions in pledges that revolved around nuclear materials. We've all seen the critiques of a foundation that takes in hundreds of millions tax exempt and spends effectively zero on charitable activities.

            There's a great website for spreading FUD in support of Hillary.
            Correct the Record compiles a huge list of highly questionable donations and then "debunks" them by basically saying: everybody does it, it was perfectly legal, the people making the donations say there's no quid pro quo, they were making donations before we helped them out, they were not making donations until after we helped them out, they made donations to lots of other people too.... great debunking!

            1. PapayaSF   10 years ago

              Yeah, not terribly convincing....

  6. Juvenile Bluster   10 years ago

    Speaking of, this is a letter sent by Trey Gowdy to Elijah Cummings on the subject. Is it just me, or does this indicate that Sidney Blumenthal was running the war "kinetic action" on Libya? In order to enrich himself? I mean, we basically knew that already, but this is interesting.

    1. PapayaSF   10 years ago

      I found and OCRed the beginning of the interesting part:

      IV. Sidney Blumenthal's motivation revealed - money

      Beyond the pure politics that were occurring at this time, perhaps more disturbing is that at the same time Blumenthal was pushing Secretary Clinton to war in Libya, he was privately pushing a business interest of his own in Libya that stood to profit from contracts with the new Libyan government?a government that would exist only after a successful U.S. intervention in Libya that deposed Qaddafi. This business venture was one he shared with Tyler Drumheller and Cody Shearer, the authors of the information sent to Secretary Clinton. It is therefore unsurprising that somebody who knew so little about Libya would suddenly become so interested in Libya and push an old friend in a powerful place to action?for personal profit.

      While Blumenthal and Drumheller have both acknowledged a personal stake in the business venture, known as Osprey Global Solutions, they have downplayed their involvement to the Committee. New documents received by the Committee, however, indicate more extensive involvement than previously known.

  7. Almanian - just Almanian   10 years ago

    To the point: oh, so NOW a Federal judge decides he doesn't have authority to render a decision on X matter.

    How conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient.

    /Church Lady

    1. Rich   10 years ago

      Indeed.

      Could Reggie Walton be ... I don't know ....... SATAN?!

  8. swillfredo pareto   10 years ago

    [I]n August, Clinton signed a document certifying that she had turned over all work-related emails.

    [T]he State Department confirmed last month that multiple work-related emails had been found that had not been turned over,

    If this was a peon or a shiton at what point would perjury charges become likely?

    1. Cyto   10 years ago

      It depends.....

      Does the administration want what the peon had in his email turned over to the department or not?

      Leaks that the White House doesn't like will get you prosecuted for espionage. Leaks that the White House does like will get you promoted.

      It probably works the same way for emails.

    2. Sevo   10 years ago

      I'm hearing it less, but still hearing it:
      'When will the Republicans stop pestering her about her emails?!'

  9. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

    Speaking of Hillary and incompetence, is anyone familiar with her son-in-law's hedge fund? It lost a shitload of money betting the wrong way on Greece.

    How fucking pathetic is that? His mother-in-law is Secretary of State, and all of her and Bill's buddies invested in this fund that undoubtedly had inside information. And they still managed to lose millions.

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

      Here we go.

      The fund lost 3.8 percent at a time when similar funds earned over 5 percent. Oh, and every single one of the "investors" is a Clinton crony.

    2. Episiarch   10 years ago

      The Clintons seem to be the most successful losers I've ever seen. They are talentless, vicious hacks who somehow keep not losing. How do they do it? Pure tenacity? A deal with Satan? They have a pet genie? I don't get it.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

        I think they make up for it on sheer volume. They have so many crooked things going on that one of them is bound to succeed.

        1. Episiarch   10 years ago

          Yeah, but for normal people, having so many crooked things going on would be basically a guarantee of getting busted, not a guarantee of success. They're like idiot savants of crookedness.

          "I'm a very good criminal. Dad lets me grift in the driveway. But not on Mondays, definitely not on Mondays."

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

            I think that Bill Clinton repeatedly getting away with rape might have somehow convinced them that they're above the law.

            And they would be right.

        2. Florida Man   10 years ago

          Diversification is key to any evil portfolio.

          1. Episiarch   10 years ago

            "Now we're cooking with evil gas!"

        3. PapayaSF   10 years ago

          The cattle futures scam worked well.

      2. robc   10 years ago

        Bottle Imp.

        1. robc   10 years ago

          http://gaslight.mtroyal.ab.ca/bottlimp.htm

    3. SoCal Deathmarch   10 years ago

      Don't worry, they'll make up for the losses buying cattle futures.

      1. Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper   10 years ago

        If a Hindu gang doesn't beat them to death. I blame Zuckerberg

        /Dalmia

    4. Sevo   10 years ago

      "His mother-in-law is Secretary of State, and all of her and Bill's buddies invested in this fund that undoubtedly had inside information."

      Greek inside info? If they say short, go long.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

        Right, that's what I'm getting at. She, as Secretary of State, had access to inside information. She had the US government's entire intelligence portfolio at her disposal. And yet they lost millions in spite of this.

        That's how incompetent she is.

        1. robc   10 years ago

          Depends who was onother side of the trades.

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

            People without access to inside information, presumably. I'm one of those people.

            1. Number.6   10 years ago

              If you'd scored higher on that "Are you privileged", you'd be getting the emails every day.

    5. Suthenboy   10 years ago

      "It lost a shitload of money betting the wrong way on Greece."

      How can one bet the wrong way on Greece? Slip and check the wrong box? Betting on Greece is a complete no-brainer.

      Are you certain they lost money? Their own money?

      *scratches head*

      Did the cronies have to pay a fee to the Clintons for the privilege of investing? A finder's fee of some kind? They had to make money off of it somehow.

      Holy shit, if you got ripped off investing in Greece you have to be among the dumbestest people to have ever lived.

      *looks at EU*

  10. The Late P Brooks   10 years ago

    HAHA, SUCKERS1!!

  11. The Late P Brooks   10 years ago

    "I just don't see what my authority under FOIA would be," he said during a hearing in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

    This is why God made Special Prosecutors.

    I crack myself up.

  12. Rasilio   10 years ago

    OT:

    Now this is a first. Workers are filing discrimination suits alleging that they are being discriminated against because they ARE US Citizens...

    What's being challenged in sum is the job replacement system created by the H-1B program. US IT workers as a condition for their severance are being made to train H-1B visa-holding contractor replacements to take over their jobs

    While I don't generally agree with anti discrimination law and think this is a rather spurrious expansion of what that law means I can't say I am entirely unsympathetic to what they are alleging. Basically the H1B program creates a group of second class workers that are legally cheaper to employ than the native citizens and green card holders putting those individuals at a serious disadvantage in the labor market

    1. Illocust   10 years ago

      It's a good point on how the regs are killing their jobs, but the precedent that would be set if this made it anywhere would be terrifying. They would essentially be saying you can't discriminate based upon pay. The guy being paid $90,000 must be considered equal to the guy being paid $60,000. That is just a whole bunch of no.

    2. PapayaSF   10 years ago

      This is one of the things that's helped turn me largely anti-immigration. I used to think that there could be no objection to skilled workers, but it turns out there are massive abuses of H-1B visas. It's hard to take the "furriners takin' our jerbs!!" mockery seriously when companies are firing American workers so that they can hire H-1Bs, who are often underpaid and exploited.

      1. KDN   10 years ago

        That's an argument against the immigration regs, not against immigration itself.

      2. kbolino   10 years ago

        It's hard to take the "furriners takin' our jerbs!!" mockery seriously when companies are firing American workers so that they can hire H-1Bs, who are often underpaid and exploited.

        Has even a single company succeeded in obtaining useable work product from these "underpaid and exploited" workers? Lamenting about this seems strange to me. These companies are digging their own graves.

        1. Number.6   10 years ago

          Sure, you can get usable results. A large team of H-1Bs run by a few effective project and product managers can crank out a lot of good, useful, and maintainable code (for example), but inevitably, there are downsides even then.

          One firm I know of cranks out CRM addons for a number of verticals, and the product is pretty good; they manage their team acknowledging the transient nature of the individuals, and all their documentation is written by well-qualified, well-paid, long-term staff, and the engagement managers run a tight ship. From what I understand though, they bring in a lot on temporary/educational visas and those who don't meet the criteria don't get an H-1B filed for them. Those that do get H-1Bs are often put thru' some intensive in-house coaching. So, when you add up the cost of such inefficiencies, the whole proposition might not be as cost effective as you might think.

          But it's still a bit like a factory farm.

          1. kbolino   10 years ago

            I think there are conflicting narratives here. On the one hand, companies are "firing American workers and replacing them with H-1Bs"; on the other hand, companies are employing H-1Bs in specifically tailored and carefully orchestrated efforts. The two don't match up. It seems to me that squaring this circle leads to two observations: one is that "the American worker" is a political term that hasn't got a lot of meaning in practice, and the other is that the "H-1B visa holder" is not really replacing Americans so much as supplementing them.

            In other words, the H-1B situation represents the intersection of all the dysfunctions of law and policy in areas of labor, immigration, and education.

    3. Brett L   10 years ago

      It is self-evident that the H1B visa is the worst of all possible solutions (for workers). However, companies can pay less and have indentured servitude and it provides ample opportunity for graft.

  13. Rich   10 years ago

    The Most Transparent Person in History? should make public *all* her correspondence.

    How better to get to know the real Hillary by seeing her yoga schedule and iced tea preference?

    1. Rich   10 years ago

      *than by*

    2. Rich   10 years ago

      And I'm sure she has a plausible explanation for the two-month gap in her emails.

      "Oh, *that*. Well, Charlotte was starting to *teethe*, and we all know how that goes!"

      1. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

        Weasel Kennedy at DOS is begging her lawyers to find them, after being turned down stone cold by the FBI. He, Sullivan, and the lady lawyer could be in big do - do themselves. The irony in all this is that feminist proto - ideologue Hillary looks like a walking talking argument against women's suffrage!

    3. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

      Actually her campaign rather lamely tried to turn it to their advantage. Unfortunately "Stammerin Jen" Palmieri is also something of a walking talking argument against women's suffrage!

  14. Ken Shultz   10 years ago

    Can't we just ask the NSA for her emails?

    Seems like everybody in the world has access to the Secretary of State's emails--except the American people.

    1. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

      That's a can of worms unless FBI determines the server hacked by foreign govt entities.

  15. Suthenboy   10 years ago

    "It seems to me, having not used State Department devices ... it would be difficult ... for me to conclude... that the information contained on her private server ... is information that the State Department possessed."

    It isn't difficult you fuckwit. The FOIA isnt about government property. It is about transparency for officials performing their duties. It doesn't matter if she corresponded by writing on a napkin with lipstick, if she was acting in her official capacity the records are subject.

    He is covering her ass.

    Gentlemen, start your woodchippers.

    1. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

      Those of us in the know with good taste prefer the allegedly painless guillotine

  16. Ken Shultz   10 years ago

    Nobody's doing anything to Hillary until after it's clear that she either won't be the President or won't horsetrade her way into a cabinet position--like she did last time--and thus have the tacit support of the President.

    Another way of saying this is that Hillary won't drop out of the race until the bitter end.

    That said, even if she does drop out, there's a good chance that if a Democrat wins, they'll pull back on an investigation. A Republican President will be reluctant to go after her, too. He'll be accused of being vindictive and going on a witch hunt.

    I think the best we can do is expose her as a lying liar whose lies about her lying are a bunch of lying lies.

    1. Number.6   10 years ago

      In the law enforcement sector, it'd be called "professional courtesy".

    2. Trump-o-Matic 5000   10 years ago

      I still think Barry is going to drop the hammer once Biden takes a lead in the polls

      1. Drake   10 years ago

        Me too. She's dead meat.

    3. Brett L   10 years ago

      You know what? I'm okay with a vindictive witch-hunt. We let them go in 2000. Let's nail her ass to a wall as a distinct warning to others that although we can be lax about enforcement, we do have a limit on graft. If you're gonna be crooked, you have to retire after a while or get smacked down.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

        Yeah. Sign me up for a good old fashion witch hunt. It's time.

    4. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

      Unless it's Trump! He might let Judicial Watch run his DOJ!

  17. Paul.   10 years ago

    Federal judge says he has no FOIA authority over Clinton's private email system.

    Huh? He's got fucking subpoena power over it!

    1. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

      Not really for the sake of a FOIA request.

  18. Paul.   10 years ago

    "It seems to me, having not used State Department devices ... it would be difficult ... for me to conclude... that the information contained on her private server ... is information that the State Department possessed."

    Wow, so they got to him. Well played, Hillary, well played.

    1. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

      The judge can't act against precedent establishing 4th amendment privacy protections

  19. Alan@.4   10 years ago

    Re Clinton's supposedly private emails, the following comes to mind re their allegedly protected nature. To the extent that they dealt with "government business", and were done on Public Time, Clinton's claims to the effect that they were "private communications", outside the reach of FOIA, are ridiculous on their face.

    1. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

      Exactly. The FBI will uncover innumerable emails reassigned as business, NOT PERSONAL INFORMATION. The judge is working on the operable assumption that all emails not in the hands of DOS are personal. The FBI will find otherwise.

  20. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

    All her emails will become documents in evidence for the FBI investigation and will thus become public records amenable to FOIA requests eventually. The judge is aware of this.

  21. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

    List of indictable offenses explained : http://dailycaller.com/2015/09.....-breaking/

  22. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

    Guilty of perjury. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/0.....1443701355

  23. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

    Clinton criminal defense not likely to be cogent : http://www.nationalreview.com/.....le-defense

  24. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

    Menu of statutes violated : http://thefederalist.com/2015/.....formation/

  25. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

    Indictable now : http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/y.....e-the-law/

  26. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

    " I was the official responsible " vs " I had nothing to do with it " Pick yer hilrey

  27. jamesuiytr   10 years ago

    " Evil is the absence of seriousness. " ~ Joan Didion

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