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Culture

'Remarks About Physical Appearance' Considered 'Sexual Violence' in Rutgers Student Survey

New study on campus sexual assault suffers same problems that plague so much research on this issue.

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 9.2.2015 2:22 PM

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A new survey of Rutgers University students reinforces the idea that one in four college women will be victims of sexual assault… but only if you don't look at the study too closely. Zoom in and you'll find the same problems that plague so much research about sex crimes on college campuses, from defining violence to include rude comments to failing to differentiate between an unwanted kiss and forcible rape. 

The Rutgers survey—conducted by the school's Center on Violence Against Women and Children at the request of the White House Task Force to Protect Students from Sexual Assault and the Department of Justice—was carried out last academic year at the state school's New Brunswick campus, attended by about 42,000 students. Around 10,800 students completed the online survey; the majority were undergraduates (80 percent) and women (64 percent). 

Rutgers used definitions of sexual violence and sexual assault based on material from the White House task force. "'Sexual assault' and 'sexual violence' refer to a range of behaviors that are unwanted by the recipient," notes a school summary of survey findings, "and include remarks about physical appearance, persistent sexual advances that are undesired by the recipient, threats of force to get someone to engage in sexual behavior, as well as unwanted touching and unwanted oral, anal, or vaginal penetration or attempted penetration."

Survey respondents were presented with that definition, then asked whether they had experienced sexual violence prior to starting school at Rutgers. Nineteen percent of all respondents and 24 percent of undergraduate women said they had. 

Students were then asked six questions about different types of "unwanted sexual contact." Overall, 13 percent of students, including 20 percent of undergraduate women, experienced some sort of unwanted sexual contact since starting school at Rutgers. Students were not asked to limit responses to incidents that occurred on or near campus or with another student.

Follow-up questions with respondents who had experienced unwanted sexual contact found the perpetrator was a student in 35 percent of the cases, a non-student in 18 percent, and of unknown academic status in eight percent; 39 percent did not answer the question. Forty-three percent described the perpetrator as a non-stranger and 18 percent as a stranger. In non-stranger cases, 40 percent categorized the perpetrator as a "casual acquaintance or hookup," 34 percent as a friend, 5 percent as a current romantic partner, and 13 percent as an ex-romantic partner. Forty-one percent said they had told someone about the most-serious incident, while 22 percent did not and 37 percent didn't answer. 

Only five percent of all student said they had been victims of unwanted sexual contact obtained "using physical force." For undergraduate women, this was at eight percent. Three percent of all students, including five percent of undergraduate women, said someone had used coercion or threats of physical force to perpetrate unwanted sexual contact. Four percent of all students, including six percent of undergraduate women, said they had been victims of unwanted sexual contact when they were "unable to provide consent or stop what was happening because (they) were passed out, drugged, drunk, incapacitated, or asleep." Throughout these questions, the type of unwanted sexual contact was not specified. 

So what have we really learned here? That one in four female undergrads experienced something between rape and catcalls before coming to Rutgers; one in five female Rutgers undergrads experienced something between forced vaginal penetration and unwanted kissing at the hands of another student-or-not-student, somewhere in the universe, since starting college; three percent of students were perhaps physically threatened, perhaps mildly pressured into sexual activity; and four percent of students have been subject to something between forced oral, vaginal, or anal penetration and an unwanted caress while they were either asleep, totally passed out, or had had a few beers. 

"Based on this experience, researchers from VAWC prepared a final report with recommendations to the White House Task force," the school states. In conjunction with releasing the survey, Rutgers announced the launch of a new campaign, "The Revolution Starts Here: End Sexual Violence Now."

Fundamental vagueness isn't the only fatal flaw of surveys like the one Rutgers conducted. As NPR points out, their opt-in nature—less than 30 percent of Rutgers-New Brunswick students took the survey—may skew participants towards those with personal experience with sexual assault. 

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  1. kinnath   10 years ago

    I miss the Cold War.

    1. *GILMORE*   10 years ago

      I know, seriously.

      Its like, after removing the only genuine existential threat to civilization of the 20th century... people needed to fill the void with all kinds of invented threats and terrors to justify the continued perpetual media pants-wetting that we've grown used to.

      1. The Last American Hero   10 years ago

        Cannot be repeated enough. Also, it seemed to keep a lid on some of the lefties more extreme tendencies, because one could point over at the USSR as a clear example of where their policies would lead.

        1. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

          In Russia, policies point to YOU!

        2. Hyperion   10 years ago

          Oh, it's still out there if someone wants to look. On Steam forums, you now have people from Greece begging other people to buy them games because the capital controls now inflicted upon the people there does not allow them to buy anything outside of their country. Well, stop voting for communists, you idiots.

          1. Dead and Loving It   10 years ago

            If they were smart, they'd go farm gold in some FTP and then find a way to sell it online, so they'd have some extra income. Every little bit helps.

      2. PapayaSF   10 years ago

        Social conflict theory.

  2. lap83   10 years ago

    "You're looking very empowered today"

    1. d3x / dt3   10 years ago

      RAPIST!

      1. Devil's Candy   10 years ago

        That does it! I am now going to walk around campus till I graduate with a giant bloody maxi-pad strapped to my back!

    2. R C Dean   10 years ago

      "You're looking very empowered today"

      [glances down at chestular region] "Well, it is chilly in here."

    3. Banjos   10 years ago

      HOW DARE YOU SPEAK AND LOOK AT ME!

      1. Brett L   10 years ago

        Pretty much. If a man tries to engage a woman who perceives herself to be above his grade, its sexual harrassment.

        1. RealCrankyYankee   10 years ago

          Based on the criteria ("remarks about physical appearance") I'm surprised it isn't 100% !

          1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

            Hey, like I raped at least 5 women today, "Those are nice earnings, that dress looks nice on you, great shoes!" All in a days work, motherfucker.

    4. pronomian   10 years ago

      In other words, you look like shit.

  3. Illocust   10 years ago

    Of course the study would be absolute crap. The sky would fall if we had real statistics on rapes on campus.

  4. Sevo   10 years ago

    You lookin' at me?

  5. The Late P Brooks   10 years ago

    *perpetrates MALE GAZE, twirls grooms moustache with tip of tongue*

    1. wFt   10 years ago

      twirling would be impressive, if not intimidating...

  6. Pan Zagloba   10 years ago

    include remarks about physical appearance, persistent sexual advances that are undesired by the recipient

    We must teach men not to neg!

  7. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

    You want to really drive women nuts. Don't look at them at all. Not even a furtive glance.

    1. Pan Zagloba   10 years ago

      Because they all want cake?

      1. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

        They spend all of their time and money trying to attract the male gaze. They complain about the male gaze only because it gives them an excuse to point out that someone was looking at them. They yearn for it.

        1. lap83   10 years ago

          "They spend all of their time and money trying to attract the male gaze."

          So there are no libertarian women because they're all too busy buying shoes

          1. Pan Zagloba   10 years ago

            So Philippines were a Libertopia and we didn't know it? Awww, they ruined it...

          2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

            Nah. That's for the female gaze.

            1. lap83   10 years ago

              I wouldn't know, I'm a sorry excuse for a woman. I don't even like shopping

              1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                My wife tells me that shopping in person is almost always a disappointment, so she does it all online.

                Me? I got 2 and a half years worth of clothes shopping done in 14 minutes at the outlet mall.

                1. Trump-o-Matic 5000   10 years ago

                  Same here. I wear black dress pants and a dark or light blue dress shirt to work every day. I wear blue jeans and a black or gray t-shirt on weekends. All of my shopping for the past five years has taken, collectively, about 20 minutes, most of which is spent typing in my billing information.

                  1. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                    I'm gonna peg you as one who wears white socks in all of those situations.

                    1. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

                      I'm gonna peg you

                      Los Doyers is sexually harassing you here in case you were wondering.

                    2. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                      Sexually harassing and being a fashion snob. SUE ME.

                    3. Suthenboy   10 years ago

                      Black, bought in bulk at Sams. I have a drawer full. All identical. This way I don't have to match them.

                      Nine days out of ten it is blue jeans and black or grey t-shirt. One day each week I take my wife to town to eat out and have cocktails with her friends. Then it is Jeans, a nice button up shirt which I actually iron, and nicely polished brown Rockports.

                      It's like you don't know anything about dressing yourself. Geesh.

                    4. SugarFree   10 years ago

                      Black, bought in bulk at Sams. I have a drawer full. All identical. This way I don't have to match them.

                      Oh, you're talking about socks.

                    5. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

                      Rockports? Dang. I'm gonna have take down my Suthenboy shrine. *hangs head*

                  2. Rasilio   10 years ago

                    I wish my wife would let me do that.

                    For some reason she insists that I need a variety of colors and styles though

                    1. bvandyke   10 years ago

                      I'm partially color blind. My wife made me go with khakis (all the same color) and polo shirts with brown shoes and belt - so I always match at work.

                      So, no, I couldn't dress myself 🙂

                    2. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

                      I'm partially color blind. My wife made me go with khakis (all the same color) and polo shirts with brown shoes and belt - so I always match at work.

                      A friend of mine in college had problems on the red/blue color spectrum and apparently LOVED wearing the color purple. He thought it was blue. Everyone just thought he was gay (he's not).

              2. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                You don't own any Tevas, do you?

                1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                  I believe that she said she had a husband, so I don't know why you're accusing her of being a lesbian.

                  1. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                    Hey, I've seen plenty of straight men and women alike trying to pull of this mutated love child of Crocs and gladiators. I take pics when I can.

                    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                      Tevas are on par with mullets. Nearly everyone knows better.

                    2. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                      Nearly everyone knows better.

                      And yet look at all the tasteless baboons heralding Chipotle in the earlier thread. You give people too much credit.

                    3. SugarFree   10 years ago

                      And yet look at all the tasteless baboons heralding Chipotle in the earlier thread.

                      One of the darkest days on this board. And I'm counting the day that Episiarch posted that picture of that tortured example of urban despair he uses as a penis.

                    4. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                      The sores....just so....bleedy...

                    5. Old Man With Candy   10 years ago

                      The funny thing was that his mom commented that your sores were remarkably similar to Epi's. Did you guys pull a train on the same crack ho?

                    6. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

                      LMFAO

                    7. Episiarch   10 years ago

                      You weren't supposed to laugh! I needed support, you asshole! At least I got it from your mom.

                    8. SugarFree   10 years ago

                      Imagine a battered highway cone floating in a sewer.

                    9. Old Man With Candy   10 years ago

                      That's interesting because the first thing that came to my mind when I saw their sofritas was a story you wrote about Hillary's prolapsed vagina.

                    10. SugarFree   10 years ago

                      Not the ocra penis dildo?

                    11. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

                      ocra penis

                      Southern food.

                    12. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                      Would you say they're used as a....thickener?

                    13. SugarFree   10 years ago

                      Yes, much like meaty okra. In fact, that's where okra got its name.

                    14. gaoxiaen   10 years ago

                      You misspelled Orca.

                    15. Just say Nikki   10 years ago

                      Tevas are on par with mullets. Nearly everyone knows better.

                      As someone who thinks he can buy two years' worth of clothes at once, you clearly don't follow fashion, but I have news for you: Tevas are in again. Start looking around at college-age women. You're about to be horrified.

                    16. Old Man With Candy   10 years ago

                      Start looking around at college-age women. You're about to be horrified.

                      I was just in Ann Arbor. And I was horrified. Not by the shoes (who looks at THAT shit?) but by the really hideous tattoos. Not ugly-but-arty like Negrete, I'm talking Epi's Mom ugly.

                    17. Rasilio   10 years ago

                      Excuse me, I was just on a website dedicated to college age girls and there wasn't a pair of Tevas in sight

                    18. fish   10 years ago

                      Excuse me, I was just on a website dedicated to college age girls and there wasn't a pair of Tevas in sight

                      Nor anything else I imagine.......

                      .....what's your password?

                    19. Homple   10 years ago

                      Start looking around at college-age women. You're about to be horrified charged with sexual assault.

                  2. lap83   10 years ago

                    ha! No, I'm more like a geek or nerd. (and not in the cute hipster girl "I'm totes nerdy guys!" way). But I'd rather buy a (non-fiction) book or DVD than clothes and I have been known to play magic.

                2. lap83   10 years ago

                  I had to look it up, no.

                  1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                    GOOD. My roommate had those freshman year. I made him get rid of them.

                    1. Brett L   10 years ago

                      What else do you wear when fishing off an oyster bar? Or launching/landing your kayak on rocky beach?

                    2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                      I'd rather have my feet covered in blood than wear Tevas.

        2. Mrs. Lemuel Struthers   10 years ago

          They yearn for it.

          You don't understand women at all, do you?

          Women dress just as much for other women as they do for men.

          I'll let you on to a little secret: You know how men try to out compete each other at the gym, playing sports, at work, or in other areas of their life?

          Women do that to - not just in their appearance, but appearance is one way in which women compete subtly or not so subtly with each other.

          It's only marginally about the Male Gaze.

          1. R C Dean   10 years ago

            You have a point.

            So, the whining about the Male Gaze is basically women telling men to get off their turf? Objectifying and diminishing women is something women do, and men just need to back the hell off?

            1. wareagle   10 years ago

              there is no political power to be had in bitching about the Female Gaze.

            2. Trump-o-Matic 5000   10 years ago

              I believe "the kids these days" use the term #humblebrag for such a scenario. They're complaining about the male gaze, but really what they are saying is that they get tons of attention for the way they look.

            3. SugarFree   10 years ago

              Poor Jessica: The only thing worse than catcalling is being too old to be catcalled anymore...

              1. PapayaSF   10 years ago

                I'm regularly amazed at how... catcallable some women can be at advanced ages. Whether it's plastic surgery or not, I don't care, I just like it.

                Susan Lucci is 68.

                Debbie Harry is 70.

                1. PapayaSF   10 years ago

                  Honor Blackman is 90.

                  1. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                    You into that Airtight Granny stuff too, eh? I have some home videos you might be interested in.

                    1. PapayaSF   10 years ago

                      I'd never heard that phrase, but I'm rapidly approaching that demographic....

                    2. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                      It always starts with a sponge bath.

                  2. blcartwright   10 years ago

                    I was watching a BBC show "New Tricks" on Hulu. Honor Blackman appeared in a 2004 epiosde when she was near 80, and they said of her character "she must be 65 by now!"

                2. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

                  My mom used to watch All My Children. One year she was watching the Daytime Emmys and she was nominated but didn't win. Then that Sweet n Low (or Equal or whatever) commercial came on where she lost her shit about losing n number of years came on and they'd iterated it up one, but everything else looked identical. Wee child Jesse was amazed.

                3. blcartwright   10 years ago

                  I'm forbidden to see Susan Lucci

                4. wFt   10 years ago

                  Sharon Stone is....ageless.

              2. Episiarch   10 years ago

                It's amazing. She feels guilty...about everything. All her normal human emotions and feelings? Guilty. It's so strange and...inhuman...to feel bad about just being human.

                She must be pretty miserable.

                1. Trump-o-Matic 5000   10 years ago

                  ^This. Applies to every progtard I've ever encountered.

          2. lap83   10 years ago

            Even if there are women who spend all their time and money just to attract the male gaze, they're doing it wrong. It only takes a marginal amount of makeup and knowing what clothes flatter your figure. Anything beyond that is to signal status.

            1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

              The sexiest shoes on a woman?
              White Keds.

              1. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

                RAY. CIST.

            2. Mrs. Lemuel Struthers   10 years ago

              It only takes a marginal amount of makeup and knowing what clothes flatter your figure. Anything beyond that is to signal status.

              This is so true. Men are easy. Show a little T&A and we get all the Male Gaze we can handle.

              1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                Mostly A, though. Mostly.

              2. wareagle   10 years ago

                and this male thanks you, both for the effort and for understanding that we like it.

            3. commodious spittoon   10 years ago

              Of course it's status signaling. It's not about attracting *any* male attention, it's about attracting the *right* male attention.

            4. Just say Nikki   10 years ago

              Pretty sure it's all just to signal status.

              1. commodious spittoon   10 years ago

                YOU'RE JUST STATUS SIGNALING

            5. pronomian   10 years ago

              They just need to smell like and carry bacon.

        3. Enough About Woodchippers   10 years ago

          They yearn for it.

          Here's how they do it in Minneapolis, especially in the skyways. They walk towards you, look directly at you and if you return their eye contact, they scowl.

          My thinking is, HEY BITCH, how the fuck would you even know I'm looking at you if you weren't looking at me first?

          1. Mad Scientist   10 years ago

            This is a prime opportunity for you to practice Calvin's technique.

          2. Tommy_Grand   10 years ago

            i was in a Houston pool hall 1 day before Halloween. maybe 2004 or 2005. waitress was dolled up as a sexy black cat: low cut black leotard, cat ears, black high heels, fish-net stockings. Not too shabby. Taped on each buttock, she had a novelty battery-op LED gizmo that flashed "BOO! BOO!" in glowing letters. these went off every few (30?) seconds.

            yes, she caught me looking at her bum when the gizmo flashed. She rolled her eyes in disgust. OMG! MEN!!

            1. pronomian   10 years ago

              Just tell her you were grossing on her cellulite.

          3. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

            Next time. Completely ignore them and pretend they are insisibke unril the last possible second before they pass you, then look over and make quick eye contact. You'll probably see relief instead of a scowl.

    2. Certified Public Asshat   10 years ago

      The silent male gaze has to be the rapiest.

      1. Jordan   10 years ago

        The silent male glaze is definitely rapier (not the sword).

    3. Hyperion   10 years ago

      Yep, completely ignore them, act like they don't even exist. They really hate that. But they asked for it.

  8. DEATFBIRSECIA   10 years ago

    So Eddie Haskell was raping Mrs. Cleaver every time he said, "That's a lovely dress you're wearing, Mrs. Cleaver?"

    1. blcartwright   10 years ago

      You know Eddie wanted her

  9. Palin's Buttplug   10 years ago

    ENB is looking quite MILFy in her Reason photo.

    1. d3x / dt3   10 years ago

      DON'T TALK ABOUT MILFY!

    2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

      Do you know what MILF means?

      1. SugarFree   10 years ago

        Moron I'd Like to Felch?

      2. Los Doyers   10 years ago

        Moose I'd Like to Fist?

        What? I know I'm not the only one.

        1. WayfurrinStranger   10 years ago

          It can't be a coincidence that you posted this comment on the same afternoon that I was earlier recalling the funniest piece of writing ever committed to paper:

          http://www.theonion.com/blogpo.....-of--11497

          1. WayfurrinStranger   10 years ago

            "See, moose don't necessarily want people to put transmitters or anything else into their vaginas. In fact, I'd say most moose vaginas are designed to prohibit just that from happening."

      3. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

        Moobs in Left Field?

        1. Rhywun   10 years ago

          Hey, leave me out of it.

          /Chuck

        2. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

          OK, this has to be the best fucking thread since 7:01.....

  10. LoneWaco   10 years ago

    Remarks About Physical Appearance' Considered 'Sexual Violence'

    mostly in a fat girl's dreams

  11. Episiarch   10 years ago

    "Hey, I'm looking for treasure, Can I look around your chest?"

    1. Los Doyers   10 years ago

      "Can I be Aladdin and check out your Cave of Wonders?"

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   10 years ago

        "I got two tickets to paradise, can I check your luggage?"

        1. fish   10 years ago

          ...can mah hog feed in your trough?

          1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

            Suuuuuiiiiii

            1. wFt   10 years ago

              "Your pants must be made out of mirrors because I can see myself in them."

              Can I play Santa Clause and slide up your chimney?

  12. The Late P Brooks   10 years ago

    "and include remarks about physical appearance, persistent sexual advances that are undesired by the recipient, threats of force to get someone to engage in sexual behavior, as well as unwanted touching and unwanted oral, anal, or vaginal penetration or attempted penetration."

    When everything is rape, nothing is rape.

    1. Mrs. Lemuel Struthers   10 years ago

      ^ This. Because remarks about physical appearance are the same as anal penetration.

      1. Mrs. Lemuel Struthers   10 years ago

        Now I'm off to Rutgers to sexually harass some male students with impunity.

        1. lap83   10 years ago

          Disgusting. Take me with you

        2. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

          Leave those boys alone, they're half your age!

          You disgust me.

          1. Pan Zagloba   10 years ago

            Fuck it, they should have known universities are rape factories. Full steam ahead, Your Ladyship!

            1. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

              Sure, when she hits on 20 year olds that's totally okay even though they're 20-something years younger than she is, but when I hit on 15 year olds, suddenly there's something wrong with me even though we're way closer in age.

              I can only assume this is evidence of female privilege.

              1. lap83   10 years ago

                "but when I hit on 15 year olds, suddenly there's something wrong with me even though we're way closer in age."

                Yeah, but you're like 10 years old. Those girls are way out of your league.

          2. Mrs. Lemuel Struthers   10 years ago

            You disgust me.

            I know, baby. Now go put on something sexy. *pinches Irish's ass*

            1. R C Dean   10 years ago

              Get a room, you two.

              With a webcam.

              1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                Careful what you wish for.

                1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

                  Ohhhhh, my eyeeeeeeeeeeesssss...........

        3. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

          Now I'm off to Rutgers to sexually harass some male students with impunity.

          I can never figure out if I'm allowed to do this or not...

          I just assume yes, but I figure I'll get in trouble for it eventually.

          1. The Last American Hero   10 years ago

            You are in a protected class, you so you'll be OK.

            1. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

              I forgot about the John Doctrine of law.

              Thanks, TLAH

          2. Los Doyers   10 years ago

            I've always assumed your hand on my leg was an honest drunken mistake.

            1. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

              Considering I don't remember doing it, it probably was, but it also doesn't surprise me.

              1. Los Doyers   10 years ago

                Actually, I don't remember the bulk of our interactions the past few months. I just remember them starting with a strong Irish mule.

            2. Mad Scientist   10 years ago

              Sometimes a hand on a knee is just a hand on a knee.

              1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

                Until, "Wait, that's NOT your knee?"

  13. The Late P Brooks   10 years ago

    "Here we are. I think I'll go back to the party and see if I can find a girl who's not suffering from some bizarre psychosis, this time. Good night."

  14. R C Dean   10 years ago

    include remarks about physical appearance

    So, if I say to that cute hippie chick "Hey, cool Che shirt", I can be kicked out of Rutgers unless I first got her affirmative consent to comment on her clothes?

    Is that how this works?

    When everything is rape, nothing is rape.

    No, when everything is rape, male students are allowed to attend only at the sufferance of the women on campus. As, I guess, it should be. Because equality.

    1. Certified Public Asshat   10 years ago

      A few years from now:

      Me: Son, if you want to start a conversation with a girl, just compliment her...

      Son: WHOAH, WHOAH, WHOAH. THAT's SEXUAL VIOLENCE!

    2. mad.casual   10 years ago

      No, when everything is rape, male students are allowed to attend only at the sufferance of the women on campus. As, I guess, it should be. Because equality.

      How else do you interpret 'persistent sexual advances' other than walking around with a penis in front of you? Duh!

    3. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

      Affirmative consent?

      "Can I tell you that you have a great ass???"

      1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

        I see what you did there. And I approve.

    4. JWatts   10 years ago

      "So, if I say to that cute hippie chick "Hey, cool Che shirt", I can be kicked out of Rutgers unless I first got her affirmative consent to comment on her clothes?

      Is that how this works?"

      No, you got it exactly backwards. Intent matters. If you said "Che was a murderous bastard", that could get you kicked out. Because that was Triggering and Rapist and Reactionary. So three strikes right there.

    5. PapayaSF   10 years ago

      Clearly women need to be segregated and only go to all-female colleges. For their own protection.

      1. d3x / dt3   10 years ago

        They at least need their own drinking fountains.

  15. howardshaunna   10 years ago

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    1. Trump-o-Matic 5000   10 years ago

      Your advances are unwanted, spambot.

  16. Mint Berry Crunch   10 years ago

    I promise to stop assaulting Katherine Mangu Ward by pointing out that I like her purple hair.

  17. mad.casual   10 years ago

    So what have we really learned here?

    Upon review;

    Survey respondents were presented with that definition, then asked whether they had experienced sexual violence prior to starting school at Rutgers. Nineteen percent of all respondents and 24 percent of undergraduate women said they had.
    ...
    Overall, 13 percent of students, including 20 percent of undergraduate women, experienced some sort of unwanted sexual contact since starting school at Rutgers.

    Attending Rutgers *prevents* sexual violence!

    1. R C Dean   10 years ago

      Attending Rutgers *prevents* sexual violence!

      I'm not surprised, since I think you'd have to be pretty well emasculated to attend Rutgers.

  18. *GILMORE*   10 years ago

    "Rutgers used definitions of sexual violence and sexual assault based on material from the White House task force."

    they're the same definitions they've used at the CDC since 2010

    http://www.cdc.gov/violencepre.....f#page=117

    we've been moaning about this for years but every time it pops up people seem to think its "brand new"

    1. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

      every time it pops up people seem to think its "brand new"

      Nope - same old wiener I've been carrying around FOREVER

      1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

        SHE thinks it's brand new so go with it...

  19. Fist of Etiquette   10 years ago

    Those ladies are never going to land a husband.

    1. R C Dean   10 years ago

      They may be more in the market for a wife.

  20. paranoid android   10 years ago

    "The Revolution Starts Here: End Sexual Violence Now."

    Wait, is that before or after we finish our metaphorical military campaigns against drug use, poverty, bullying, crime, climate change, hunger, illegal immigration, AIDS, unemployment, drunk driving, and cancer, all of which I have been told my entire life we are *this* close to solving forever if only we would hand massive amounts of (more) money to connected interest groups and politicians?

  21. Je suis Woodchipper   10 years ago

    Online courses are looking more favorable by the day.

  22. kinnath   10 years ago

    So is "sugar tits" still allowed or not?

    1. Banjos   10 years ago

      Only if it's followed by an ass slap.

      1. kinnath   10 years ago

        hello Banjos. How are the kids?

        1. Banjos   10 years ago

          Plentiful and destructive.

          1. kinnath   10 years ago

            excellent.

            enjoy them while they're young.

            they eventually become teens.

          2. R C Dean   10 years ago

            Spent some time recently with friends who have small children.

            Holy crap, is that a lot of work.

            1. Banjos   10 years ago

              Let me put it this way, I dropped all my pregnancy weight in less than a month without dieting and purposeful exercise. Half my day is spent chasing them, the other is spent scrubbing fecal matter off of various surfaces.

              1. SugarFree   10 years ago

                the other is spent scrubbing fecal matter off of various surfaces.

                But enough about Sloopy...

      2. Free Society   10 years ago

        Seems like a tit slap would be more appropriate. Women love that shit.

  23. Lord Humungus   10 years ago

    Just wait, Rutgers, when we unleash our fully weaponized Warty. Only then will you truly understand what sexual violence is.

    1. Banjos   10 years ago

      This is what happens when you allow a pendulum to swing too far to one side. It naturally swings too far to the other. Just like how 8 years of hyper PC rhetoric gave us Trump and his troglodyte followers, over exaggerations of sexual assault epidemics gave us Warty.

      1. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

        "I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you." ? Warty

      2. SugarFree   10 years ago

        Warty has existed since the morning of the world and shall exist until the last star falls from the heavens. Though he has taken the form of a time-traveling pervert, he is all men as he is none. Therefore, he is a GOD.

  24. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

    Local communist expresses angst, dismay at the moral decline of America.

    God, I love her. She's like my opposite. One day, I fully suspect we'll swordfight on top of a mastodon for the fate of the universe, but we'll know each others' moves because we're actually genetic duplicates from mirror universes where one of us was born a man and the other a woman*.

    *I know that therefore we can't be real genetic duplicates because of the whole chromosome thing, but mirror universes work in strange and mysterious ways.

    1. paranoid android   10 years ago

      I don't suppose you were found abandoned under a pool table in a box labeled "ouroboros" when you were a baby, were you?

    2. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

      The dead tooth will distract you for a SPLIT second, and you'll be done.

      This will complete The Prophecy.

      So it is written, so let it be done...

    3. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

      Oh, LOFUCKINGL from the comments:

      Alexios ?@alexios13 10m10 minutes ago
      @ebruenig @brokenbottleboy Well, college students certainly are prime "users" of their "service" (yay capitalism!)

      The only reason college students like porn is because capitalism has corrupted their filthy, decadent libidos.

      1. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

        Wow. Never read much pr0n in college. Too busy fucking the girls in the dorm rooms the next floor up.

        Poor kids today 🙁

        1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

          Read?

          1. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

            Almanian is secretly a woman. The mask has slipped. He She loves erotica.

            1. R C Dean   10 years ago

              Good point. Only chicks read porn.

              Got something to tell us, Almanian? Don't worry, we're famously non-judgmental.

        2. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

          "in the dorm rooms the next floor up" Fuck try the room next door.....or the next shower stall. Man, I loved me some liberal west coast college of the '80's. Coed floors and bathrooms. Nirvana. What the fuck is wrong with college students now?

      2. blcartwright   10 years ago

        people look at porn when it's easier than convincing another human to join in the fun

  25. SugarFree   10 years ago

    Who knew that PCU would be one of the more prescient movies of the last 25 years?

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

      We're not gonna protest!

    2. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

      I personally have George Clinton play all my parties to this day.

  26. Slammer   10 years ago

    "Hello, darlin', your mattress looks nice today."

    1. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

      A nice springtime outfit...

  27. wareagle   10 years ago

    the bar to peak derp just keeps getting higher. Or is it lower?

    1. Almanian Bridges, Not Walls   10 years ago

      There are no bars to peak derp - just an escalator

      1. Hyperion   10 years ago

        In the case of this campus sex freak out, it's more like a warp drive.

    2. Trump-o-Matic 5000   10 years ago

      We will never reach peak derp

      1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

        Not enough iron for the manacles? "Stoke the furnaces!"

  28. Number 2   10 years ago

    What did you expect? This was a politically motivated survey purposely designed to achieve a politically desired result.

  29. Gilbert Martin   10 years ago

    "Sexual assault' and 'sexual violence' refer to a range of behaviors that are unwanted by the recipient"

    Hmmm.

    I guess that means the IRS is engaging in sexual assault when it requires me to file a 1040 form and pay my taxes as that is a behavior that is definitely unwanted by this recipient.

    1. mad.casual   10 years ago

      It certainly feels like rape.

      1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

        +1 No Rearfund this year

  30. PapayaSF   10 years ago

    "Hi! I see you in English Lit class and you always look nice. Would you like to go out sometime?"

    "HELP!!! SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!"

    1. R C Dean   10 years ago

      That's multiple sexual assaults. I count two for sure ("you always look nice" and "would you like to go out"), maybe three or four ("Hi" and "I see you").

      1. Hyperion   10 years ago

        To start with, the proper permits were not acquired from the campus ministry of sex control, and the proper training was not completed, fees not paid. It's only after all of that you can ask the girl out and get accused of rape.

        Gawd, I wish I was attending college today. Please pass the hemlock.

  31. Suthenboy   10 years ago

    "The Rutgers survey?conducted by the school's Center on Violence Against Women and Children at the request of the White House Task Force to Protect Students from Sexual Assault and the Department of Justice..."

    The same white house that forced reinterpretation of Title IX. The effect of which is seriously undermining the rule of law and seriously demoralizing students and faculty.

    If Obama hated this country and wanted to as much damage as possible, what would he do differently?

    1. Hyperion   10 years ago

      Let Hillary be Secretary of State?

    2. R C Dean   10 years ago

      Let John Kerry be Secretary of State?

      1. Paul.   10 years ago

        *in Arnold Schwartzenegger voice*

        IT'S NOT A TREATY!

        1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

          I got nothin'

  32. Paul.   10 years ago

    Huh, sexual "violence".

    But when a cop kills an unarmed homeowner in a wrong-door raid, that's called "getting home safely".

  33. MaleMatters   10 years ago

    Re: "and include remarks about physical appearance, persistent sexual advances that are undesired by the recipient...."

    When a man compliments a woman at work, he often does so merely to foster harmony, as he might do with another man. If he is interested in her romantically, he may compliment her to show not only that he likes her, but also to test out her responses to see whether she is receptive to a request for a date. Such "testing-out" compliments have long been how men try to open the door to a courtship with a woman. Since the Ninth Circuit Court in 1991 expressed the view that even well-intentioned compliments can form the basis for sexual harassment claims, some men in the workplace have shifted from testing women out with words of appreciation to avoiding them as much as possible.

    From "The Sexual Harassment Quagmire: How To Dig Out" http://malemattersusa.wordpres.....-quagmire/

    This may be the most exhaustive analysis you can find of what I think is the sexes' most alienating and destructive behavioral difference. I believe this difference creates much of what is called sexual assault of women.

  34. Hyperion   10 years ago

    We already breaked the story about nothing ):

    1. Hyperion   10 years ago

      I haz a sad

  35. SIV   10 years ago

    tHE POST ABOVE THIS WENT AWAY:(

    1. jesse.in.mb   10 years ago

      The libertarian moment has ended.

      1. Rich   10 years ago

        NO!! Everything lives forever on the Intertoobs!

    2. Hyperion   10 years ago

      It self imploded due to the blazing hot wit of all the posters. May the story about nothing RIP.

  36. Rich   10 years ago

    Only a dream ....

  37. Los Doyers   10 years ago

    *Awakes in a daze*

    Huh? Wha? What happened to the conservative bomb thread? And why is my ass sore?

    1. Je suis Woodchipper   10 years ago

      time travel. only way to explain what just happened.

    2. Hyperion   10 years ago

      The Jacket givith, and the Jacket taketh away.

      1. Paul.   10 years ago

        You mean The Jacket Taketh, the Jacket giveth away!

    3. Gene   10 years ago

      F5ed into oblivion.

    4. Rich   10 years ago

      Are you in a hotel bathtub full of ice?

      1. Los Doyers   10 years ago

        Dry ice, yes.

    5. *GILMORE*   10 years ago

      SQUIRRELPOCOLYPSE HAS COME

      IT IS THE SECOND SIGN

      YESTERDAY, THERE WAS A POST WITH 5 LINKS

      5!!

      TODAY WE HAVE RECEIVED THE SILENT POST

      NEXT WE SHALL HEAR THE TRUMPET OF ...SOMETHING....AND THE SKY WILL RAIN BLOOD

      AND AN ABORTION THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS WILL COME

      1. Los Doyers   10 years ago

        Wait, does that make John's constant screeching a warning of some sort?! A MODERN DAY H&R JOHN THE BAPTIST?

        *mind-blown*

  38. Hyperion   10 years ago

    Something tells me that the best post ever in the history of Reason was an accidental post, and will be re-posted later with actual content. Bummer.

    1. Rich   10 years ago

      *** brightens ***

      With *old* comments?

      1. Hyperion   10 years ago

        I sure hope so. Or the Jacket went from instant hero to villain in one .... moment.

        1. Heroic Mulatto   10 years ago

          What is this post everyone is talking about?

          1. Heroic Mulatto   10 years ago

            Never mind.

  39. Hyperion   10 years ago

    Just make sure when the article reappears with the missing content that we all say we see nothing!

  40. Chocolate Starfish ( . )   10 years ago

    That's one HUGE ass

  41. AD-RtR/OS!   10 years ago

    I think the new DoState spokeshole's mother dresses him funny, is that a "microaggression"?

  42. XM   10 years ago

    This kind of survey is just asking to be hijacked by women (and possibly men) driven by an agenda, or those who can't distinguish between a pushy boyfriend and something considerably more sinister.

    If you weren't in a mood in for sex, communicated that to your boyfriend, but begrudgingly gave in because he guilt tripped you, that's not criminal conduct. That's your boyfriend being a jerk. It's a normal part of a relationship.

    I've seen guys plant kisses or grope their gal pals. The girls will say "eewwww stop it Thomas", push them back and nothing happens. Sexual assault! It happens to 1 in 4 women in college, which HQ for horny boys full of raging hormones!

    As for drunk sex, is that supposed to be dangerous? I guess then 3 in for 4 women are rape victims in every part of the country.

    1. Don'tTreadOnMeChipper   10 years ago

      Yeah, my lady is out with the girls and looking forward to a little rape later on. See ya'll from cell block eleventy1111!

    2. NeoEve   9 years ago

      Newslfash! Being a jerk and guilt-tripping for sex is not actually a normal part of a relationship. Isn't that great? Some people (men and women) are sexually quite healthy and well-adjusted, which means they communicate like adults to structure relationships in a way that ensures their needs are met (both sexual and otherwise), and are utterly turned off by the idea of having sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex back.

      Yeah, and let's all commit to some clearer, healthier communication about sex because we don't know how to ask for and respect the answer and/or give or deny. There's a tricky grey area around sex that confuses us all and yet nobody seems to want to admit it. Call it an existential crisis. We're all learning to have conversations and the government's probably not going to be much help with that. Neither are smart-talking professional rape denialists.

      1. NeoEve   9 years ago

        And BTW, rape is real. And it sucks. Period. I think Ms. Nolan Brown may have forgot to mention that.

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  44. Berserkerscientist   10 years ago

    It is unfortunate because they have lumped touching someone or trying to kiss someone in with rape. They also lumped coercing and threatening. Like someone saying "pllleeeaasse" is the same as someone threatening with a knife. I really wish they would have asked how many people were raped, even though that is a very difficult question.

    But there are some really interesting statistics:

    Sexual contact when drunk ... women 6% men 3%
    Why didn't you tell anyone? ... Didn't think it was serious 50%

  45. wFt   10 years ago

    The Federal Government is fueling this hysteria, and there are countless vendors and other entities vying to profit off of it. There will be numerous proposals to provide programs and other interventions to address this "crisis" and untold amounts of tax dollars spent to support it. It is a virtual feeding frenzy, and woe to anyone who is accused to committing a transgression be it a "catcall" or actual sexual assault, or just the accusation of doing so, where young people will find themselves guilty by default and burdened with proving their innocence to college administrations who are hell bent upon demonstrating how vigilant they are.

    We have most assuredly gone down the rabbit hole and everyone here is mad.

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