Watch Out for Drones with Pepper Spray in North Dakota
Law allows police to arm them with non-lethal weapons.


The good news is that North Dakota has passed a law requiring police to get a search warrant to use drones (unmanned aerial vehicles) for most private surveillance. The bad news is that the same bill also clears police to weaponize them with less-than-lethal arms, like Tasers or pepper spray.
Justin Glawe takes note at The Daily Beast in a much larger story about North Dakota's growing drone culture:
The bill's stated intent was to require police to obtain a search warrant from a judge in order to use a drone to search for criminal evidence. In fact, the original draft of Rep. Rick Becker's bill would have banned all weapons on police drones.
Then Bruce Burkett of North Dakota Peace Officer's Association was allowed by the state house committee to amend HB 1328 and limit the prohibition only to lethal weapons. "Less than lethal" weapons like rubber bullets, pepper spray, tear gas, sound cannons, and Tasers are therefore permitted on police drones.
Becker, the bill's Republican sponsor, said he had to live with it.
"This is one I'm not in full agreement with. I wish it was any weapon," he said at a hearing in March. "In my opinion there should be a nice, red line: Drones should not be weaponized. Period."
Some law enforcement officials, Glawe notes, complain that they shouldn't have to get a warrant for surveillance. The sheriff of Grand Forks County told him they need the unwarranted surveillance in order to get the evidence to bring to a judge in order to get a warrant in the first place. Glawe describes the police having a "trust us" mentality that they won't abuse their authority with drones, but he points out that police in North Dakota actually got the help of a Department of Homeland Security border drone without a warrant in order to track down a man accused of stealing cattle (how very North Dakota).
Glawe's full story is worth a read here. He also reports on the role of the drone industry in trying to push back against civil liberties protections out of fears it will somehow restrict "development" (as in opportunities to sell drones to law enforcement agencies).
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"Oops! We didn't mean for that drone to kill you. It was supposed to be non-lethal. We followed procedures. "
Words spoken by some police chief at some press conference in about six weeks from you.
Are they going to dive bomb a rubber bullet into someone's face, most likely an illegal Mexican cattle thief?
A couple of rubber bullets to the top of the head will but you down for good.
Mexican cattle thief
Do people not rustle cattle anymore? I haz a sad.
Mexican cattle thieves pushed out the hard-working American cattle rustler.
Silver lining: I think I see an updated version of a popular 80's Donald Bellisario television show. A scientist steals the prototype weaponized police drone he created, and a drone test pilot is coerced into retrieving it before the rogue scientist can deliver it to South Dakota. But, a-HA, the pilot doesn't return the drone. Instead, the pilot hides the drone and will only return it in exchange for the North Dakota governor to get his brother out of jail or some shit. In the meantime, he agrees to fly the drone on government missions in exchange for maintenance parts and replacement pepper spray for the drone. I call it Chemical Irritantwolf.
Will there be ridiculous cello playing?
A cello in North Dakota? Get the fuck out of here.
Stringfellow Hawke played the cello, damnit, which makes it the most masculine of all instruments.
But who are we going to cast?
I submit that Tom Hardy could do a good run as the drone pilot but he might be too expensive. need TV actors.
And needs to be on cable. Can't get sufficient levels of tits, violence, and 'fucks' on network.
Bellisario productions are for viewers with snow on the roof. Unexpected swears will just cause viewership to drop due to myocardial infarctions.
But what about Rick and TC?!?
Who is the eye candy? Markie Post? Heather Thomas? Adrien Zmed?
Erin Grey.
Well, I wouldn't say no to stealing Cote de Pablo back from NCIS.
Only this time she can play an actual Chilean character.
That's *modern* Bellisario *cough*NCIS*cough*
Old school Donald was prime time entertainment.
But dude, Ernest Borgnine is dead.
He better not be.
Maybe he decided that Blue Thunder was better.
Maybe he'll decide your face needs to be on the business end of a Santini knuckle sandwich.
He's not dead. He just went home.
Shackford, you got linked over at Towleroad (I think passive-aggressively) by Ezra Waldman. I think he might have missed your point.
Sorry, Ari Ezra Waldman.
I think I got the benefit of being the first to really bulletpoint all the ways that bust is fucked up. Even Dan Savage's rant was kind of brief, so I've been linked by all sorts of folks.
That seems reasonable. I'm just always surprised by reason.com links when reading Towleroad. The comments on Waldman's piece seemed appropriately pissed about big government and DHS overreach.
And I think you meant Towerload.
*You're* a towel!
People live in ND? Oh, the shale oil workers!
If they do weaponize, no matter which weapon they choose, it will go very wrong.
Pepper spray into a drone rotor wash? Brilliant. What could possibly go wrong?
Tasering from a drone, where electrical wires from a object in flight would be barbed and embedded into a person on the ground? Good idea.
Loss of radio comms to the drone while it is deploying tear gas? Impossible.
I say go ahead and do it. They'll screw up the first time they use it and attract attention to the issue, hopefully killing the idea before it spreads to other states.
Don't forget that flash-bangs are technically 'non-lethal '. The baby in Georgia wasn't killed.
Nice! Maybe even cluster flash-bangs for better peace-keeping coverage?
None of that is going to be anywhere as hilarious as when the deploy the drone for 'routine' surveillance - fully armed of course, as you never know . . . - and fail to secure their wireless connection and some dipshit takes control and starts shooting people.
If he started shooting cops that would be poetic justice.
What could possibly go wrong...
(besides not refreshing the page before posting)
If a pepper spray drone comes at me and I knock it out of the sky with a baseball bat, have I assaulted an officer?
If you look at police property* the wrong way, it authorizes deadly force.
*Police property is here defined as anything the police want to claim.
Not yet. If you move quick you can get away with only destruction of police property.
But after the first time you can bet legislatures will move quick to protect our 'blue robot buddies' with the same level of protection as police dogs.
Someone needs to invent a portable, focused EMP emitter that can knock these things out of the air. Anyone know if that's even possible? People who shoot (or try to shoot) them down keep getting arrested.
Someone needs to invent a portable, focused EMP emitter
I like where you're coming from, but would submit that will end with pranksters taking out modern cars at high speeds on freeways.
More likely just blow themselves up.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb3.htm
Sort of, not really.
What you need though is just a decently powerful microwave source and a focuser. You can induce transient voltage spikes and heating in the electronics with that.
Best of all - its basically a Radar so the tech is already here.
OTOH - you can build a decent, *non-directional one - as long as you don't mind destroying everyone else's electronics.
http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-EMP-Generator
Cops operating a drone can't claim they were in fear for their lives, obviously.
This is good, isn't it, for holding them liable for abuses?
T'wasn't me that shot that dude, software glitch.
Don't bet anything you would be uncomfortable having lost, for instance your ass, on that.
What exactly is going on with these clowns, the "elected things" that continuously and grandiosely suckle from the public tit?
I can't see why you wouldn't.
Kickstarter!