Gawker Meets the Oath Keepers
A balanced dispatch from Ferguson
Since the Oath Keepers returned to Ferguson last week, the best article I've seen on what they've been up to there is this one, by Gawker's Andy Cush. It's a balanced piece that takes a serious look not just at the differences between the Oath Keepers and their critics, but at the divisions within the group itself—reporting, for example, that Sam Andrews, the fellow leading the organization's activities in Ferguson, "has never attended a meeting of the greater St. Louis chapter of the Oath Keepers, and he seems to disdain those who do attend." (At a chapter meeting, meanwhile, members "seemed split" on whether they supported what the Oath Keepers in Ferguson were up to.) And while other articles on the group frequently quote the Southern Poverty Law Center's criticisms of the organization, Cush gets credit for actually comparing the SPLC's comments to what he's seeing on the ground:
Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, told me he considers the Oath Keepers' support of protesters to be disingenuous, cooked up ex post facto after they were widely vilified by demonstrators and in the media. According to Potok, the group's stated reason for attending—to protect a journalist working for InfoWars' Alex Jones, who Potok calls "the most prolific and unhinged conspiracy theorist in America"—shows that they only wanted to advance their own apocalypse-minded politics.
"I think they realized rather quickly that very few people looked on them kindly, and all of a sudden they became defenders of black protest against police violence," Potok said. "The reality is they've never said anything like that in their entire history. I think it's ludicrous."
But Andrews' fury at the police seems genuine. And it is not surprising at all in the context of the Oath Keepers' beliefs. Among the group's "Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey" sits an entry for warrantless searches of American people—a callback to the Fourth Amendment and the 18th-century searches that inspired it, and one that has a rough modern analog in stop-and-frisk….It's easy to see why an Oath Keeper who is sure that the U.S. government aims to impose martial law and round up its citizens into concentration camps might be spooked by the contemporary Hummer-driving and rifle-wielding American police force.
Cush doesn't come off as a supporter of the Oath Keepers, just a journalist who's interested in figuring out where the movement's members are coming from—and who understands that it's possible for different factions of an organization to have different points of view.
[Hat tip: Je suis Woodchipper.]
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No scare quotes? I am disappoint.
Potok is a massive douchecanoe.
Admit it, Jesse - the hat tip was the entire reason for the article!
OT:
Carly Fiorina trolls the TSA
Seriously, I posted that in the first comment of the behemoth Jared the Pedo thread.
You disgust me.
Nobody read that thread, it has too many posts. /Yogi Berra
I don't buy anything the SPLC is selling.
A HAT TIP? Wow, must be flush with value over there at Reason HQ. That's the first I have seen in many many moons. Good On Ya Woodchipper. But when you reach the level of beloved commenter then it will be impressive.
The Oathkeepers were formed by soldiers and police who were appalled at the disarmament of the citizenry by police in the areas affected by Hurricane Katrina. The video that had the most effect was of LAPD officers on loan to Louisiana forcibly disarming a woman trying to protect her own home and then leaving - while the night was ruled by looters.
To paint them as a white supremacist group, one must ignore that history which had cops coiming from all over the country disarming black and white alike.
LIBERTARIANS ONLY CARE ABOUT GAY SEX AND POT SO THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ISSUE X WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE COOL
There. Had to get it out of my system.
I like the part about how Ronald Reagan ended open-carry in California as a direct response to Black Panthers doing exactly the same thing as the Oath Keepers.
Sure you do.
BOOOOSH, err, I mean RONNIE RAYGUN!
Maybe the Oath Keepers should serve as the armed wing of Black Lives Matter. You know, for obvious reasons.
Given that the oathkeepers were formed by horrified cops and soldiers in response to civil rights violations against the poor and mostly minority citizenry of the New Orleans vicinity at the hands of cops and the national guard, yeah.
Not every white is as racist as you Tony. Not every white shits himself at the thought of a black man having a gun... Thus what you think is a self evident deconstruction actually lays bare yet again the racism that runs throughout your premises.
Why did it take 4 years to finally get off the ground?
Lois Lerner lost the file.
Is that what you like? No, you like BBC in your ass and sipping Banker's Club vodka through a straw.
According to Potok, the group's stated reason for attending?to protect a journalist working for InfoWars' Alex Jones, who Potok calls "the most prolific and unhinged conspiracy theorist in America"?shows that they only wanted to advance their own apocalypse-minded politics.
Why is this point presented in opposition? We're to believe a bunch of conspiracy theorists are out of place among Ferguson protesters? It seems more like a straw blade in a haystack.
Maybe Potok actually believes in defending the right to speak of people he disagrees with?
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
thanks for acknowledging my contributions.
I, too, enjoyed Cush's treatment of Potok.