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Hillary Clinton Tells Black Lives Matter Activists They Need to Propose Solutions, Not Just Racialist Analyses

Campaign released transcript of 15-minute meeting, protesters released video.

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Last week the security bubble around Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who as a former First Lady is entitled to a Secret Service detail, prevented Black Lives Matter activists from trying to engage her in a campaign event on substance abuse in Keene, New Hampshire.  

But HIllary Clinton agreed to meet with the protests after the event, even offering to allow the media in, which protesters refused. Today Clinton's campaign released a transcript of the meeting while the protesters released video

The activists said they wanted Clinton to address her husband's role in perpetuating "white supremacist violence against communities of color" when he was president in the 90s and pushed tough on crime policies that contributed to increasing rates of incarceration, especially for behavior, mostly drug use, that was inherently non-violent. 

Clinton drew on the same excuse other politicians have used to defend positions they held that were popular when they held them but aren's so much now, telling protesters the 80s and the 90s (which ended just 16 years ago) were a different time with different priorities and what was important was focusing on solutions now. 

Clinton also criticized the activists for their focus. Via CNN

Look, I don't believe you change hearts," Clinton said, arguing that the movement can't change deep seated racism. "I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You're not going to change every heart. You're not. But at the end of the day, we could do a whole lot to change some hearts and change some systems and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them, to live up to their own God-given potential." 

Hillary Clinton is right. What's more, focusing on racist hearts is a distraction from the problem and an excuse for it. If white supremacy killed Eric Garner, for example, vaguely aimed protests might suffice to release some anger and feel a sense of accomplishments. If the vigorous enforcement of petty laws—in Garner's case the sale of loose, untaxed, cigarettes—killed Eric Garner, there are attainable solutions, namely engaging the value of petty laws and their vigorous enforcement and pushing reforms that see less enforcement and fewer petty laws aimed primarily at raising revenue and hassling otherwise law-abiding people. 

While conversations about white supremacy may be important, especially for protesters who have made a movement about stemming systemic police violence a movement about themselves,  as Clinton pointed out, conversations about the policies that perpetuate systemic police violence are more important, at least when it comes to lowering the body count. But that's not a conversation that's going to be pleasant for many Democrats, whose long-term political control of cities like Detroit and Baltimore have done more to subject black people to white supremacist violence than probably any other political phenomena in the last 50 years. Democrats' policies have created failed schools, brutal cops, and corrupt governments, all in the service of creating a government worker middle class that treats marginalized residents, many of them black, like wards of the State, for which government must extract resources and impose control, by any means necessary, up to the systemic use of deadly force.

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  1. you change allocation of resources

    The place to start is to allocate a person’s income to himself rather than tax the shit out the person and transfer that resource to unnecessary police.

  2. Ed, it looks like Nick beat you to the goods.

    1. Ed’s actually appeared in my browser first and Nick’s wasn’t up yet. Then suddenly Nick’s appeared and Ed’s was gone.

      Nick’s the boss, so what are you gonna do? 😉

      For what it’s worth, Ed’s piece is more level-headed.

  3. Look, I don’t believe you change hearts,” Clinton said

    No, Ed, Hillary is not right.

    Of course she doesn’t believe hearts can be changed: hers shriveled up and died long ago, so she’s got no compassion. Government action is all she can conceive.

    1. I think there’s a charitable way to read her answer, but I admit that my first impression was, “Don’t try to persuade people, just use the law to punish them!”

    2. It takes a village to force one guy to do something he doesn’t want to do.

    3. Telling a cop not to be racist anymore cause it’s mean does nothing. Taking away his absolute power to brutalize at will and changing the laws and police policies could. That’s may take and I agree (hangs head in shame)

      1. Changing police policies? Only the private production of security can respect individual liberty. Telling the gov’t to behave and respect liberty doesn’t work.

    4. Her words are right. And as president, I doubt she would try to persuade over legislate any more than her predecessor. She would go right to changing laws, but none that would help the #BlackLivesMatter crew. On crime, she’s like most Democrats and pretty much all Republicans: Fill those prisons up.

  4. It

  5. What
    the
    fuck?
    It was a different time. Back then, we were sacrificing you people on the altar of Law and Order. Now, we’re, uh…

  6. I feel kind of weird saying this, but I think Hilary quit herself well in that discussion, and so did the BlackLivesMatter guy. She actually seemed to be sincere, which is pretty hard for a politician to pull off. The unfortunate thing, though, is that the BlackLivesMatter guy was describing the black-white divide of fifty years ago, where it would be more productive to conceptualize the problem as a state-citizen divide that still disproportionately affects African Americans.

    1. “…conceptualize the problem as a state-citizen divide that still disproportionately affects African Americans.”

      ^Ding Ding Ding

      1. But part of the reason it disproportionately affects blacks is the much higher rate of violent crime within those communities, which attracts more policing and more bias against those communities from the police who are already biased against non-cops to a disturbing degree.

        1. I think you are missing Hilary’s point this time because she is usually an obvious asshole rather than just a subtle one like now.

          Yes, violent crime is higher in those communities. Because the War on Drugs makes it violent.

          But some people in these communities WANTED an escalated war on drugs. Maybe not the 20- and 30-somethings in BLM today because they’re weren’t old enough to understand the problem 25 years ago. But the “epidemic” of “crackbabies” and “open drug markets” were absolutely the impetus for increased policing in those communities. The racist white police forces were just not bothering with the clampdown in those neighborhoods in the carefree 1970’s because the racist white officers didn’t give a flying fuck about crime in black communities. So both parties made sure policing in black communities was stepped up in the 80’s and 90’s.

          As nicely as she could put it, Hilary basically said “Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.”

          Note how neither side wants to put an end to poverty-creating laws like minimum wage, occupational licensure, etc.

          1. good point. basically the same argument re: my skepticism over the claim of “White Supremacy” being the core reason there is aggressive policing in black communities.

          2. Wait a sec — from the timeline of what you’re saying, yesterday’s crackbabies might just be the BLM activists of today!

          3. The War on Drugs is bad, but it’s not responsible for black on black crime. Black culture is.

            Look at rural areas. Can you honestly say they aren’t as drug ridden as inner cities? But there’s almost no violence.

            I live in the meth capital of the world, yet my county averages 2-3 murders a year. Yet St. Louis City has 150+. And the population for my county and St. Louis city proper (not the metro area, just the city) is almost identical.

            1. You’re touching on something that no one ever wants to talk about and at best gloss over. I’m from good ole Appalachia and the police are just as eager to enforce the Drug War and it’s only white people there. Tons of drugs, tons of guns, worse poverty than the inner cities, over zealous cops, and yet way less violence.

              It’s nothing when a trailer burns down and everyone just automatically assumes it was a meth lab. In contrast though, it’s a big fucking deal when a murder goes down. People talk about that shit for years and years.

              Poverty doesn’t necessarily breed violence. Drugs don’t necessarily breed violence. Poverty and drugs don’t necessarily breed violence. There’s other factors at play that people don’t like to talk about.

              1. There’s other factors at play that people don’t like to talk about.

                Population density doesn’t wholly explain the difference, but it likely explains some of it.

                1. Until proven otherwise it’s sensible to suppose it’s all due to population density and the cycle of poverty and dependence. There are heavily black rural areas in the South and they aren’t any more crime-ridden than economically comparable white areas.

              2. There’s other factors at play that people don’t like to talk about.

                No doubt. But there is one difference: Appalachia et al didn’t raise a stink about wanting more police. Black communities did.

                The subject is police-on-citizen violence. Step up police presence in a community and there is no doubt that there will be more of it. The reality no one wants to admit to is that gangs are more effective than government in some communities.

                I don’t know if the solution is legalization coupled with government assigning distribution territories (not unlike the end of alcohol prohibition) but I know that government would rather fight forever than admit failure (again).

          4. The racist white police forces were just not bothering with the clampdown in those neighborhoods in the carefree 1970’s because the racist white officers didn’t give a flying fuck about crime in black communities.

            Peak Freedom

            The libertine moment

          5. The WoD is a fully bipartisan project, and was fully supported by the Congressional Black Caucus. On March 25, 1971, the CBC had a meeting with Nixon in which it demanded more action to stop the flow of narcotics into urban neighborhoods. Rep. Rangel urged Nixon to do more without waiting for Congress. African America media, which back then was comprised of magazines like Jet and Ebony, promoted the war on drugs. In 1977, President Carter proposed that Congress “eliminate all federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marijuana.” Democrats at the time held both houses of Congress, and rejected his recommendation. (It didn’t help matters that Carter’s drug policy adviser got busted for writing a phony Quaalude prescription for a White House staffer.) Gov. Rockefeller (R-NY) and Gov. Brown (D-CA) both bragged about tripling the sentences for drug crimes in the 1970s. In February 1982, the CBC urged police to “increase drug enforcement efforts” in its “Black Leadership Family Plan for Unity, Survival, and Progress of Black People.” In 1986, African American leaders denounced “crack” as a plague on their community and called for stepped-up law enforcement. In 1986, Gov. Cuomo (D-NY) responded by escalating the already draconian Rockefeller drug laws for crack in particular. Also in 1986, the Black Congressional Caucus supported the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, which established the 100-to-1 disparity for crack cocaine.

            1. In 1987, Rep Charles Rangel (D-NY) criticized Reagan for not doing enough in the WoD. In 1988, presidential candidate Jesse Jackson calls for “a real war on drugs”. In 1988, Congress enacts the Anti-Drug Control Act, which established the “drug czar” among other things, with all but two CBC members voting for it. In 1991, Rangel debates with Bill Buckley; the progressive argues for a more robust WoD, while the conservative Buckley argues for legalization. In 1994, Clinton brags about putting 100,000 new cops on the beat.

    2. I’d refine it further and say state-commoner, because upper middle class people generally aren’t going to face this stuff.

      I also suspect there is a good bit of racial stereotyping going on. When a cop sees a black man he is probably far more likely to jump to “criminal” or “threat” than if he sees a white man, even of the same socioeconomic status**. But that’s different than the type of white supremacist racism that a lot of people want to describe it as.

      **And cops are more likely to jump to criminal and threat for a poor white man than an upper middle class white man. There are lots of layers to this. Like a parfait.

      1. Mmmmmmm – parfaits

        BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!

        *click*

        /cop

      2. The pigs are happy to bust the son from an upper-middle-class family, and ruin his life on a drug charge.

        1. Yep. My wife’s co-worker smelled pot in her gated community, and within half an hour there were TWELVE cops there investigating and arresting the foul millennial responsible.

    3. I thought she gave good advice. I’m sure I wouldn’t like her solution, but he’s like we need a President to tell people to stop being racists. I’ve said many times before that the whole BLM doesn’t change anything as it exist today. End the WOD, mandate body cameras, end the practice of harassing people for bullshit as a fishing expedition, prosecute cops that use excessive force, etc etc.

      1. Add to that, reverse Screws v US by making violation of 18 USC 241 and 242 strict liability. Congress has the authority to do so, if they can find a pair of balls.

  7. Maybe we should go easy on things that should not be crimes (most drug use) while being tough on crimes against persons and their property?

    Going tough on both creates a permanent criminal class and destrys he rule of law and going light on both makes decent people essy prey to predators snd dsmages yhe rule of law.

    1. You were sober at the beginning of that comment and drunk by the end.

      1. Type slow, drink fast.

  8. It worth to read the transcript. She is nimble on her rhetorical feet: they couldn’t mau-mau her, although they’ve tried.

    1. Reading the transcript, BLM comes off as nothing but Sharpton Wannabe’s or Sharpton’s Lapdogs. Being “Victims Of Racism” is all they have, and they really don’t ever want to lose that – they simply refuse to see it as a state-vs-citizen thing because they so desperately need it to be only about racism.

      1. State versus citizens thing can actually be solved and it doesn’t divert enough resources (social sympathy and preference) to their group specifically. Whereas if racism is the problem, there’s no end to the number of favors, policies and social support that accusations of racism can leverage.

  9. “that’s not a conversation that’s going to be pleasant for many Democrats, whose long-term political control of cities like Detroit and Baltimore have done more to subject black people to white supremacist violence than probably any other political phenomena in the last 50 years”

    So …. Detroit (run by black mayor since 1974) and Baltimore (since 1987, with break for O’Malley) are hotbeds of White Supremacist violence?

    Is “White Supremacy” really the best explanation for why cops (of all colors) frequently shoot black people in poor, crime-ridden cities… that have had black political dominance for decades ?

    1. Free Minds And Free Markets And Kill Whitey!

    2. Detroit is 83% black, so I’m going to wager that most of the cops are black too.

    3. The number of white supremacists is trivially small, and inconsequential. Anyone who doesn’t laugh off that reasoning is almost certainly an idiot.

  10. OT: Netflix has a new series on the Medelin Cartel and DEA.
    Trailer

    Will it take an honest look at the drug war or idolize the DEA? Time will tell, but it looks like it will have boobs, so there’s that.

    1. I’ll give it a look.

  11. “I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. “

    The first part I can’t object to, but Hillary is a hypocrite given her past support for exactly the laws that disproportionately affect blacks.

    The second part is code for more welfare.

    The third part is progressive pseudo-socialist newspeak. Which systems, and how exactly do you “change how they operate”? Usually, what is meant by this is the capitalist system and you impose some sort of central control.

    1. You give it a more generous reading than I do. I thought by “changing laws” she meant heavier and more forced integration and beefing up anti-discrimination laws.

      1. Lol. Maybe she did, but in context, I’m pretty sure Black Lives Matter is talking about police abuse and criminal justice.

  12. OT: “Female Viagra” gets FDA approval

    I’m curious to know what it does for women with a normal sex drive.

    1. “You there, in the alley with the bottle of Jim Beam! Come over here!”

    2. “Women’s sexuality is very complicated. It’s not a matter of just taking that pill, by the way, and then all of a sudden the lights go on,” said Judy Kuriansky, a clinical psychologist and certified sex therapist. “You have to feel good about your body. You have to feel good about yourself. You have to feel the guy really loves you…It’s complex. It’s not the same as a man taking a pill.”

      Yes…getting a woman horny is like trying to open the entrance to the Mines of Moria.

      Christ, what an asshole!

      1. “or, on the other hand, you can be drunk and bored”

      2. This is how you do it.

        1. Rap game on point

          Best verse

          “I want to see your bum, i dont care what you say
          No, I don’t have feelings because feelings are gay
          something something month of may,
          bitches love my penis cause its really big”

      3. Women’s sexuality is very complicated.

        Well, true dat.

        The rest of it is just gobblydegook; the long version of “chicks have a lot of headaches”.

        1. It can be complicated, but the notion that women don’t want to just fuck sometimes is odd.

          1. The on and off buttons are clearly labeled in the middle but you’re too distracted by T&A

        2. It’s only more complicated than a mans sexuality because it’s a more emotional experience for them, or maybe I should rephrase that and say that they like to have an emotional reason to have sex. Once the sex is happening, I don’t think the difference is so great.

          But, you know what I’m saying. It’s like I’m relaxing with the wife and things are heating up, and all of the sudden she remembers some micro-aggression that I committed last week, you know like I forgot to take out the garbage Tuesday morning and that complicates her life and maybe it means that I don’t love her. Then I need to pause and apologize and…, well you guys get it.

          1. Ha! I’m old enough to have sufficiently LT to tell the wife to f*** off.

            If she wants to get all pissy, fine. I get up and head out the door for the rest of the night. She ends up alone and I have a great evening.

            (It helps that she makes twice as much salary as I do. In my state she’d lose out on a divorce.)

            1. To be fair, I feel bad for you younger guys with f***able wives. But once they blimp out and the vajayjay dries up… well…

              1. My wife and I are both in our 50s, she’s still pretty smoking hot to say the least. But she’s a sweety too, and financially independent, she doesn’t need my money. Must be my irresistible charm that keeps her here, haha.

                1. I envy you sir!

                  *Bows as he backs out of the room.

                  1. Doesn’t matter, goneGalt, no man can escape the fact that they’re women and they do not think the same way that we do. It’s like they’re a different species. I remember that book about men being from Mars and women From Venus, or whatever. It’s true.

      4. Actually, Moria was easy to enter – just say the word Friend in Elvish.

        Now the Mordor comparison is more apt.

        One does not simply give a woman female viagra. Her black gates are guarded by more than just panties. There is evil there that does not sleep. The great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire, ash, and dust. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten-thousand pills could you do this. It is folly.

        1. You might want to stop hanging out at the Gelgameks bar.

      5. “Say ‘Friend’ and enter.”

        1. THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID!

  13. “Last week the security bubble around Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who as a former First Lady is entitled to a Secret Service detail, prevented Black Lives Matter activists from trying to engage her”

    You see there, Sanders? What you need is a “security bubble” in the form of an ex-Trotskyite street brawler named Morris and a bouncer named Bubba, who scarcely have one noticeable neck between them, but whose arms have a circumference which can be favorably compared to the trunks of several species of trees.

    Then if a couple angry ladies try to jump up on stage and interrupt your speech, Morris and Bubba can pick them up by the scruffs of their necks and drag them out of the auditorium.

  14. Wait just a damn minute here. Why is this even a thing?

    The Light Bringer has ushered in a post racial America.

    1. Old habits die hard.

      1. But Black Lives die easy.

        Too soon?

    2. Isn’t that remarkable? So many people were so excited about electing Obama — remember the tears of joy from Oprah and many others in the spotlight. A lot of the folks voting for him truly thought his election might finally begin to send most of the politics of race to the dustbin. Instead, race relations are back to the mid-60s Malcolm X level. Did anyone see that coming?

      1. It’s almost like racism isn’t the real problem. Almost.

        1. Yeah – why don’t you go drink your white lightning by your Rebel Flag, racisty racist.

          1. I already am, goddammit. As I type.

            1. Well – alright, then.

              *nods approvingly*

    3. to really be post racial we need to have a lot of sex with people of different races until we’re all an undifferentiated light brown. but being “post racial” even in the sense of it not mattering to anyone isnt what these people want at all.

      1. to really be post racial we need to have a lot of sex with people of different races until we’re all an undifferentiated light brown

        Ok.

        1. Yeah sign me up

          1. I’m in….if ya know what I’m sayin’….

      2. I think we are about half-way there, aren’t we?

        I did my part in my 20’s.

        It is time for the millenials to step up.

        1. Some of them carry their own mattresses, which helps.

      3. I thought we were supposed to celebrate diversity.

      4. Sorry- I’m a pale-assed white boy who plans to rock his “white privilege” another 20 yrs or so… talk to me in 2040.

  15. It’s nice to see they took a break from trolling poor old Bernie Sanders.

  16. Hillary Clinton: I Did Not Have Relations With That Server

    Holy shit. Like for reals, holy shit. I’ve never seen anything like this before. The reporter is pressing her on whether or not she wiped the server and she’s not even bothering to hide her contempt for the question.

    1. And, I see they did amateur job of wiping it, with the FBI saying they think they can recover data.

      Or, and I kind of like this theory, the FBI “recovering” data is just a cover story for the NSA to provide their comprehensive record of all traffic to and from the server.

    2. “When the Secretary of State does it, that means that it’s not illegal.”

      1. I think there’s precedent for that. After all, the IRS has gotten away with it.

    3. She’s attempting to misconstrue the question because any admission that she ‘knowingly’ destroyed records while they were under subpoena* would be a criminal act

      (and they were ever since benghazi events took place)

      she conflates 2 issues – saying she had discretion to determine what was ‘work related’, which is true; but she did not have discretion over what might have been covered as protected by the subpeona; destruction of emails she did not turn over *(while knowing that those documents were covered) would have constituted a crime

      So she pretends that the issue is about her work records, and that “what happened” after there was a single handover of selected, scubbed files is all a big mystery to her, because computers are magic-sauce.

      1. I don’t see how she has any defense, other than “advice of counsel”, which in turn would require a a very solid legal opinion, in writing, that she could remove and destroy any emails on that server.

        And, unless the subpoena is unlike any subpoena I’ve seen, is extremely unlikely.

        If there’s any question about whether something is covered, or should be excluded as privileged, you take it to a judge. You don’t make that decision yourself.

        1. Yep. I do love how she just laughs and hand-waves away any concern about her personally deciding what is evidence and what is not after the fact.

          “Oh, *laughs* investigators don’t need to see that stuff. It was not evidence anyway.”

          It is impossible for me to believe that every single Dem that has worked with her did not know what they were dealing with. The only reason I can see for them supporting her up to this point is what Epi said below, that they can’t ditch her without taking some serious hits themselves.

          I bet she has something on every swinging dick in DC.

          1. Yes. There are different kinds of politicians. Some are wheelers and dealers, which usually requires some interpersonal skills and charisma (take her husband as an example of this kind). They take a “scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” approach, which is much safer. There are also the Terrorizers, the ones people are deathly afraid of because they will fucking destroy you if you don’t give them what they want. Hillary basically has to be a Terrorizer, because she frankly doesn’t have the personality for anything else (I also suspect Obama is actually a Terrorizer too, he’s too stupid and too megalomaniacal to be a good wheeler-dealer). And Terrorizers protect themselves by making sure they have something, whether it’s information or funding or whatever, over as many people as possible in order to assure their compliance.

            Why do you think she so often refers to making people do stuff? Because that’s literally how she thinks.

            1. I also suspect Obama is actually a Terrorizer too, he’s too stupid and too megalomaniacal to be a good wheeler-dealer

              He’s too vain to be a terrorizer either. No, he’s the face man for Terrorizers like Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod, and Valerie Jarrett.

              Hillary’s problem is that she wants to be the face man.

    4. I also heard some speculation that more than 17,000 emails could be missing. There’s 17k+ federal crimes.

    5. I think the frying pan is starting to heat up.

      A mediocre grifter rides the coat tails of a charismatic, philandering grifter into the big leagues. Without Bill and Barry running interference for her she is going to be toast because she is out of her league.

      1. Dude, she is so fucking fucked. Her great aspiration of being the first female potus is over. I’ve been over at WaPo, I was over there yesterday for several hours, almost all the Democrats have turned on her, they want her out now. How’s she going to recover from that? Get Republicans and Independents to vote for her? She has no personality at all and she’s aged very badly. Those pictures from her at the Iowa fair, she’s a scary looking ol bag. How old is she? Not even 70? She looks 80 and ugly as sin.

        1. “almost all the Democrats have turned on her, they want her out now”

          No. the kind of people who spend their days online and gab a lot feel that way.

          The millions of retiree women in the country? There’s nothing that will stop them from voting for hillary. She pulls enough of those and enough just “THE OTHERS R WORSE” and she still has a shot.

          You can tell how she’s trying to shore up her support with the core by the subjects she’s talking about. And blacks, FWIW, aint the core of her base. They might be useful come general election time, but as for primary voting, they’re completely useless.

          1. The millions of retiree women in the country?

            I thought that too, but in the past few weeks…and it might just be mere proximity…but that demographic around here has gone ga-ga for Bernie. And it scares the shit out of me.

            1. Yeah, but Bernie can’t win the general, HM. Let me say this, at least the self proclaimed socialist is honest, unlike most of his brethren in the democratic party.

              The minute most women hear him repeat that shit about how they don’t need so many shoes, he’s fucked.

              So, we’re going to be stuck with whatever the GOP shit nominee is. I can’t even make a guess at it now, it’s too early.

              1. That Bernie is even a thing has caused me to order some more cans from Mountain House.

              2. “The minute most women hear him repeat that shit about how they don’t need so many shoes, he’s fucked.”

                It has been a while since anyone got me to shoot vodka out of my nose. That shit burns.

                1. Yeah, but I’m serious. My wife has like 300 pairs of shoes. She wouldn’t vote for the guy just for saying that. He’s an idiot.

            2. Yeah, which is why i was saying, “notice that she’s going after the “shore up social security”” thing, and is going to try and consolidate her core before trying to reach out to secondary constituencies.

              She’s going to gun to capture the AARP vote to keep herself viable.

              No scandals will affect her with those people, but her competition with Bernie will. the combination of the two might end up beating her up so bad that she falters.

          2. She’s done. The liberal media, nearly all, have turned on her now. It’s over.

            1. No they haven’t.

              they’re covering the email scandal relentlessly because its better to burn people out on the topic now rather than burn them out on it later.

              By november, it will be Benghazi = a cliche that is dismissed.

              1. The email scandal isn’t going away. There are too many laws that have been broken and national security was severely compromised. She’d done.

              2. I think it’s so bad at this point that the MSM is secretly yearning for a Republican to save them. I’m sure they’d love the Boosh model 3, but the Rubio establishment latino one model would work nicely also.

          3. Retired women aren’t a huge group in the Dem party. Romney won that group going away in 2012.

            Pretty sure that 2008 taught her she needs the black vote, or at least black acquiescence, to survive the primaries.

      2. I think you guys are forgetting that she has managed to stay afloat and be a frontrunner with this scandal brewing, with Benghazi having happened, and more. She may be a mediocre grifter, but she’s managed to stay in top political positions long after Bill left the scene and without much help, if any, from Barry.

        This is a person who wants power, and she will claw and grasp and do whatever it takes to get it. If she goes down, she will make it insanely painful for as many people as possible. That’s why no one has just swept her off the board yet, even though there have been ample opportunities.

        1. She’s fucked, Epi. No one can survive this. And it’s going to get a LOT worse. How can she survive this? People fucking hate her. And people who didn’t really know her, now they all hate her too. Her personality is like fingernails on a chalkboard x 1000.

          1. She’ll survive it by getting people to make excuses for her.

            People can go on the record and perjure themselves in front of Congress, admit to it, and survive it in today’s Washington. It would be nice to see justice done, but I’m not holding my breath.

            1. She might survive if you mean not going to prison. I would say the chances of that are near 100%. But her political career is over, and I would say that chances of that are more than 100%.

          2. Except you and others have been saying this for *years*. And here she is, still not fucked.

            I’m not saying it’s impossible that she will go down. I’m saying don’t underestimate 1) her existing track record in getting away with appalling shit, and 2) her laser-like focus towards not going down and retaining and even gaining power.

            This is a person who should have gone to jail 20 years ago. And here she is, running for president…again. She was the Secretary of State. This is not a person who will go down without an epic fight.

            1. Not this time.

              1. And if you’re wrong? Again?

                You want this too much (which is 100% understandable) and you’re letting it cloud your examination of the situation. By all accounts, if she was going to get slammed for this (in any real sense), it would have happened by now. Washington has grown so contemptuously corrupt that almost *no one* gets punished, for *anything*. And *especially* not the really big players.

                1. Nope. I’m not wrong. Hillary is done, politically. I’m very objective about these things. She’s done. It’s not a feeling. I’m going through the same process, as you well know, that a developer would go through when designing a solution. I’m considering all the angles and it’s the only possible outcome, Hillary is done in politics. Yes, I love it, so what. I didn’t want Obama to win in 2012, but I knew he would, said so right here on this site many times.

                  No, she won’t be punished. But she’s done in politics, forever.

                  1. Proclamations about politics are quite risky. If you’re wrong about this, will you go “I was 100% wrong and everyone should rightfully look askance at any future predictions I make, because I was completely wrong about this one?”

                    I’m just saying, it’s crazy to make this prediction considering how many situations she has slithered out of before. She’s clearly excellent at it. And we don’t even know what she’s done that she was never caught for.

                    1. Yes, I will absolutely admit that I was wrong.

                    2. You might be right that she’s toast.

                      I just don’t think your calculus as presented – that its all about the email B.S., and the media’s growing concern – makes that case by itself.

                      If she’s toast, its that stuff combined with the fact that bernie is actually eroding her support by looking like a ‘viable option’ (to people who are fucking idiots)

                      Tupla sock v9.2834 made a case a while back that the Democrats were going to own the political future because demographics and trends and blah blah blah

                      I pointed out – they don’t have a single candidate under the age of 60 who is even remotely compelling. AND their policy ideas are all turning up garbage. (e.g. Obama’s green energy BS. and housing stuff? People are going to reject as soon as they see how they hurt middle class pocket books)

                      The fact that hillary was the heir-apparent, and no one in the Dem base really thought- hey, maybe we should be teeing up the next Obama instead…? Shows how much they’ve both lost the plot, politically, and failed to raise up a ‘next generation’ of candidates.

                      I would still bet she wins the primary, and collapses in the general.

                    3. I pointed out – they don’t have a single candidate under the age of 60 who is even remotely compelling.

                      Not in this election; it would be insane for someone with a bright political future wanting to take on the Clinton machine. So you get an angry old man and a couple of has-beens. There are loads of younger Dem politicians waiting in the wings.

                      It’s not like the GOP has much to brag about either, as their candidates are getting pummelled even within their own base by a lifelong Democrat reality show host.

                    4. “I was 100% wrong and everyone should rightfully look askance at any future predictions I make, because I was completely wrong about this one?”

                      I have never had to do that. Nope. Not me.

                    5. I’ll do it. Just that I won’t have to do it, this time. Last time I was wrong about something was when I said the Seahawks would beat the Patriots in the last superbowl. Well, fucking Tom Brady and his deflated ballz, fucked up my prediction!

                      But Brady and deflategate can’t save Hillary. And Bill doesn’t want to.

          3. I don’t know man. How many voters even know what a server is.

            1. They know now. Thanks, Hillary.

              1. I think your overestimating how informed they are. I’m just saying don’t get your hopes up and never underestimate the stupidity of the mob.

                1. It doesn’t matter how informed they are. The left are like the borg. They are turning on Hillary and it’s infectious. The drones will just go along.

                2. I never thought scandal ridden Slick Willie was going to get re-elected and I also never thought blank resume empty rhetoric Obama would be President. I give up.

                  1. JB, Hillary is not Bill Clinton. Fuck, she’s not even Obama. She’s awful is what she is. Yeah, if this was Willy or even the O, they’d probably survive this. But not Hillary, people don’t like her. I wonder why?

        2. I’m hoping eventually she’ll just snap and go into a full “YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I ORDERED THE CODE RED!” style rant.

          1. If she was going to do that, she’d have done it way before now. She shows her contempt because she knows she can get away with it, but she also knows she cannot pull a Jack Nicholson. Maybe if she loses the Dem nod for president, or gets it and loses the general election, and doesn’t give a shit any more. But until then, not a chance.

          2. THE SERVERS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE! GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY PUNK! YOU WANT THE TRUTH YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH BECAUSE I HAVE TO MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS! BOOYA! SHOW ME THE MONEY BITCHES AND I’LL SHOW YOU REAL VAGINA POWER! PRACTICE? WE’RE TALKIN’ ‘BOUT PRACTICE? WHAT YOU TALKIN’ ‘BOUT WILLIS?! THEY CAN’T HURT ME I’LL MAKE THEM AN OFFER THEY CAN’T REFUSE AND I’LL KEEP THE CANOLIS! YOU PEOPLE! FRANKLY I DON’T GIVE A DAMN (self slaps herself). SCREW YOU BILL! I BUILT IT AND THEY DIDN’T COME! “I’M MAD AS HELL AND I WON’T TAKE IT ANYMORE! (sips designer water. Throws mic down).

            I’LL BE BACK!

            1. wow, did you really come up with all those at once yourself? I’m impressed.

              1. YUP.

                I should closed it with her flipping the bird at Chelsea.

            2. god DAMN that was awesome

              *looks at Rufus in awe….that any Canadian could be awesome*

              1. I have my moments.

            3. I think it’s missing, YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!

    6. LMAO. I just watched that for the first time. That is abysmal level sad. She is fucked, I mean fucking fucked, lol.

      1. YOU’RE GODDAM RIGHT I WIPED THOSE SERVERS! WERE YOU GOING TO WIPE THOSE SERVERS?!? SOMEONE HAD TO WIPE THOSE SERVERS!

        1. YOU WANT HER ON THAT SOFTWARE. YOU NEED HER ON THAT SOFTWARE.

          Oh man, I’m at the part where she’s denying that she even knows what the word ‘wiped’ means and says ‘you mean wiped it like with a cloth or something?’

          Yeah, the woman who had her own server set up in her basement is just a technologically unsophisticated granny who doesn’t know what ‘wipe’ means.

          1. Yeah, only it wasn’t in her basement, it was in a bathroom closet of an unsecured residential apartment, ran by a mom and pop style IT operation of rank amateurs. Official state department business on a server in a bathroom closet.

            Do we qualify as a banana republic yet? Do I get one of those red berets for free?

            1. Dude, I would bet you a lot of money that this kind of ridiculousness is rampant in the government. I mean, beyond rampant. Because it’s rampant in the private sector, and there is pretty much nothing the government doesn’t do worse than the private sector, including being lazy/cutting corners/having terrible security.

              I think we would be beyond horrified if we could know the true extent of it, and we’re people who already think the government is horrible.

              1. “I think we would be beyond horrified if we could know the true extent of it, and we’re people who already think the government is horrible.”

                I was about to say this earlier but it didn’t fit well with the rest of my comment.

                Absolutely true. I have heard numerous people who have seen it first hand say there very same thing. No matter how bad you think it is,it is exponentially worse.

              2. I live in the peoples Republic of Murland. I have already witnessed shocking levels of cronyism and incompetence. Nothing much will surprise me more.

            2. “…it was in a bathroom closet of an unsecured residential apartment…”

              Don’t worry. There is no way the Chinese and/or Russians walked in there one night and plugged in a thumb drive and downloaded everything, including her soliciting bribes and covering up Benghazi and God knows what else. No way.

              She is not compromised at all. Not. One. Bit.

              1. Well, now at least we know why the FBI took such a sudden interest in it, when they realized that State Department business was going across a server in someone’s bathroom closet, lol. This is beyond parody.

        2. …at places you don’t talk about at parties…you’re glad I wiped those servers…

    7. That guy must be the best reporter in America given that he actually pressed her on it, which 95% of press officials wouldn’t even do.

      The best part is when he gets her to say she was the ‘official in charge’ and then she says she doesn’t know if the server was wiped and he says ‘how could you not know, I thought you just said you were the official in charge?’

      That’s what an ass kicking looks like.

      1. The way she flips all over the place in the video…from the “shrug! I dunno know..I’m clueless”… to a practiced smooth talk, to trying to be funnt (did you catch there was not even a single chuckle?), then more incredulous “i have no clue”..
        ..to getting testy with the, “I know youre trying to get a story” bullshit.

        She’s afraid.

        She’s all over the fucking map with that clip. I’ve known people accused of shit who did not do it, and their answer is very like some very hard guys who are sociopaths and lying..a low, serious voice that doesn’t go up or down or break or goof around,..just a straight forward, “Heres the deal motherfucker, this is truth, and it will go hard for you if you try to fuck with it. Period.”.

        She’s a liar to her core.

        1. You are right. She is an obvious liar. I don’t even understand why all the questions.

          The bitch went out of her way to set up a private server to illegally keep her public business secret. She was warned by the White House not to do that, yet she did it anyway.

          Why is everyone puzzling now over whether she is being straightforward or not?

          *By everyone I don’t mean anyone here.

        2. And nobody who doesn’t already despise her will ever see that clip.

    8. Holy shit. Orange is definitely not her color. Who the fuck wears orange?

      1. She might be wearing it a lot before long.

      2. Convicts?

      3. Prisoners? Maybe it’s foreshadowing!

        1. Also, Hit and Runners with public emails.

      4. Orange is my ex wife’s favourite colour, and yet she still almost never wears it

    9. Watching her uneasiness was pornographic (the only time a person would ever use the term pornograhphic and Hillary). She just wanted to scream “LEAVE ME ALONE I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.”

      Were her “personal” emails full of corruption, or creepiness, or both?

      Can the right-wing conspiracy/everyone hates women defense work in this case?

  17. Speaking of the Hildebeast, not sure if anyone has posted this or not:

    Company handling Hillary’s email, kept servers in bathroom closet of unsecured residential apartment

    This is beyond fucking absurd. She’s toast.

  18. Comptemplating allowing the Bitch of Whitewater to rule the world…

    1. It is a tough call, isn’t it?

      *sucks through teeth and holds chin thoughtfully*

  19. George Zimmerman, ‘Muslim-Free’ gun store team up to sell Confederate flag paintings

    http://nbc4i.com/2015/08/18/ge…..paintings/

    1. It’s not The Onion

      1. Those white hispanics are the worst.

    2. I covered it in PM Links.

      The expression was, “YOKEL INTERSECTIONALITY”

      1. Anymore I rarely bother with the links. I’m not a big crowd person.

        1. I rarely bother with the links

          I’m not a fan either. They are too much to keep track of.

    3. Zimmerman and a Muslim-bashing gun store owner team up to offer Confederate flags? This is like one of Melissa Harris-Perry’s erotic dreams.

  20. You got this part very right, Ed:

    Democrats’ policies have created failed schools, brutal cops, and corrupt governments, all in the service of creating a government worker middle class that treats marginalized residents, many of them black, like wards of the State, for which government must extract resources and impose control, by any means necessary, up to the systemic use of deadly force.

    Most ghettos are located in Dem controlled cities. Dems are gonna need to do some ‘splaining – probably not Hillary, though.

    1. Ed’s right, but it doesn’t apply only to inner cities. Government *is* parasitism. It is a class of people who produce nothing, who improve nothing, but they need to get their money to live on from somewhere. What’s left? Take it from others.

      Government is merely the extrapolation of a Viking raiding party. Look, someone has shit? Let’s take it! By force! And inner city residents (among others) are the village that keeps getting raided, again and again and again.

    2. Well the crackdown on drug dealers in those neighborhoods was demanded by the people living in those neighborhoods so yes the results are ultimately the governments fault but it’s important to remember that if people are going to start throwing around blame. People yelled do something about crack it’s destroying our neighborhoods. So then come the mandatory minimums for crack and 10 years later it’s how come crack is punished more than coke, oh it’s because white people do coke. No it’s because nobody was bitching about coke.

  21. The fact black still vote Democrat despite policies that have not served them well suggests to me they’re not ready to own problems attributed to the Democrat plantation and their own actions.

    This is not to say *white* laws hurting them is not real but at some point only they can make true meaningful change. And that change comes with Hillary’s suggestion to work towards changing laws. Laws that killed Garner and disproportionately impact blacks negatively; not to mention ALL Americans.

    1. I don’t see that lasting much longer.

    2. I think black people are just the inverse of Christian fundamentalists. Democrats don’t actually give a shit about blacks and Republicans don’t actually give a shit about Christians. I worked for a Republican assemblyman, and I swear to God every Republican staffer in that building under the age of 45 was an atheist. So you’d have someone talking shit about Christianity who would then run an ad campaign about how his candidate was totally Godly so the yokels up north would know they weren’t voting for a heathen.

      It’s the same with Democrats. Hillary totally cares about the black people and she’ll make sure to show it by nodding sadly after she gets back from her vacation in the lily-white Hamptons.

  22. #BLM got on Hillary’s bad side.

    You wouldn’t like Hillary if you got on her bad side.

  23. The last paragraph is crass and horrible. Not because I’m in the tank for Democrats, but it’s because it’s a cheap and meaningless partisan, and racist, talking point. Do you work for Republicans? Then why the bullshit about how cities with large black populations are suffering because they happen to have Democrats in local government–a correlation as obvious as the fucking day is long? Do white meth-heads suffer as a result of the polar-opposite Republican governance? What are we to do!

    Anyway, Hillary’s “you don’t change hearts” pragmatism was the best thing I’ve heard from these campaigns. White supremacy is the core problem, but white people aren’t going to give up such a valuable commodity because they feel like being nice. I thought this was quite refreshing.

    1. Yeah you’re in the tank for Democrats because you’re an insufferable political hack and Hillary is toast. Pick yourself another idle, this one has fallen from grace.

      1. I was appreciating her pragmatism. I have no loyalty to Democrats; I have an intense and rational fear of idiot science-denying religious-pandering economy-destroying country-destroying Republican assholes.

        Having your brain friend by Republican wishful thinking is a terrible way to go through life. But you could be right. Maybe the email thing is for real. A thing doesn’t even have to be real to take a candidate down. I was just wanting to have a conversation about the strategies of BLM. You are welcome to jerk off to the prospect of President Bush III if you want.

        1. I have no loyalty to Democrats

          Haaahhaaahhaaa, whooooo, hahhahhaaaahhaaaaaahhhhaaaaa, oh geez, bwahahhahhaaaahhaaa, oh man, hahhahahhahhahaaaah, oh it hurts…

        2. Hey Tony, I see your ‘science-denying’ friends on the left just got GMOs banned in Hawaii. GMOs, which have more data showing their safety than there is good science supporting the panic alarms of AGW. GMOs, which have the potential to fight world hunger, reduce toxins in the environment and even reduce atmospheric C02. How come you aren’t yelling about them being idiots?

          1. I bet now, Tony’s going to tell us how it doesn’t matter that there’s not even one research study that shows any harmful effects of GMOs. Not even one.

            Don’t forget about vaccines. And fracking. The anti-science left just keep going further out on the loony toon fringe.

          2. Tony has no idea what science is.

          3. Hawaii just happens to be totally controlled by Democrats. It’s nothing more than a correlation.

        3. I’m no friend of the Republicans but you seem to have a special hatred for them. You are also very naive on matters relating to race.

          I’m taking a guess here, let me know if I’m wrong, which is quite possible.

          You were raised in a white middle class suburb. Your parents are religious, maybe your mom more so than your dad or maybe the opposite. You were raised in church but never fit in. You finally came out as gay and mommy and daddy did not accept that and you are angry at them for this. Also maybe some of your old buddies from the congregation cut you out after you came out and this hurt you.

          So now you rant and rave about science denying blah blah blah while supporting shit that is just as bad. Remember man, you may hate their politics, which is fine, but people like me hate your politics just as bad. I fucking despise progressives, and am offended by you guys all the time. Think about that and maybe do some self reflection.*

          *I hate Republicans and this is not a defense of them. Just some general observations.

          1. Tony lives in a gated community. And he won’t let us forget it. He also has a masters degree (in something) and that makes any degree you have in hard sciences, worthless, you’re not a real scientist. And only real scientists, like climatologists and gender study experts, know things. And, Tony used to work as an important climate change analyst before mean old Republicans took his job and forced him to be unemployed and living in his mom’s basement. And now, you deniers are responsible for raping mother Gaia.

            /the history of Tony as we know it

            1. Tony also said he hates poor people. Right here on this site. And he also said that if you disagree with him on anything, he will get his best bud, Obama to kill you with cruise missiles. And he even posted pictures of them from the Raytheon site.

              Does this sound like someone you want to take seriously?

              1. Tony once said Rosa Parks had no right to sit in the front of the bus.

                Ken used to have a link to that, but I can’t find it, unfortunately.

          2. You despise progressives for what? Because some of them want to regulate your Big Gulp?

            Republicans are actively working to destroy the habitable environment of planet earth.

      2. “Pick yourself another idle”

        That there is a nice Johno.

    2. Policing is a local issue, so yeah, it’s fair to blame Democrats for running cities with shockingly racist and violent police forces.

      Eric Garner was murdered because he was selling loose cigarettes without giving the government its cut. Mafia dons are more honest about what they are.

      1. I don’t think this is an issue that is fairly attributed to one party or the other exclusively. Everybody was hysterical about black crime in the 90s. Even sometimes black people. But you can even name the specific traditionally Democratic policies at fault. You may list your usual pet gripes, but you can’t convincingly link them to the problem. Just more utopianism–if only we had no social safety net, everyone would be better off.

        I hope Republicans manage to stumble into a real concern for this problem via some latent libertarianism. But since only white people vote for them, I would not hold my breath on them being better going forward. The “Obama/Democrats suck” thesis for every issue in the world is really old and hasn’t solved a goddamn thing.

        1. But you can even name the specific traditionally Democratic policies at fault.

          In case you missed it:

          Eric Garner was murdered because he was selling loose cigarettes without giving the government its cut. Mafia dons are more honest about what they are

          For starters, maybe making a ton of shit illegal isn’t great for minorities. Additionally, Democratic policy is pro-union and anti-innovation, favoring regulations that act as barriers to entering the marketplace.

          In a libertarian world, Eric Garner could have sold surplus cigarettes during the day and driven for Uber at night. Or maybe gone into the marijuana business. All things Democrats want to be illegal or so wrapped up in bureaucratic bullshit only the politically connected can prosper from it.

      2. Eric Garner was murdered because he was selling loose cigarettes without giving the government its cut.

        No, Eric Garner was murdered because he didn’t give government ANOTHER cut. He most likely bought a carton of cigarettes and paid the taxes on it, and saw the market for loosies the government pretended didn’t exist.

        1. “No, Eric Garner was murdered because he didn’t give government ANOTHER cut. He most likely bought a carton of cigarettes and paid the taxes on it, and saw the market for loosies the government pretended didn’t exist.”

          Most of those loosies on the streets of New York weren’t bought in New York though, they were bought in Virginia and then smuggled into New England and New York for sale on the streets. So he didn’t give New York a cut because the cut went to Virginia’s low cigarette taxes instead of NYC’s high taxes.

          That’s why selling loosies is economically viable. You buy cartons cheap in Virginia and you can sell them at a rate that is still cheaper than buying a carton in New York. Therefore, both the buyer gets good value relative to what it costs in New York and the seller gets unbelievable value because he can make tons of money due to the difference in New York vs. Virginia pricing. It would be a beautiful example of the free market were it not for people getting jailed and killed by cops.

      3. He didn’t even have any cigarets on him, nor was he at the location where he’d previously sold them. That was nothing more than a bogus charge applied after the fact.

    3. The last paragraph is crass and horrible. Not because I’m in the tank for Democrats, but it’s because it’s a cheap and meaningless partisan, and racist, talking point. Do you work for Republicans? Then why the bullshit about how cities with large black populations are suffering because they happen to have Democrats in local government–a correlation as obvious as the fucking day is long? Do white meth-heads suffer as a result of the polar-opposite Republican governance? What are we to do!

      Anyway, Hillary’s “you don’t change hearts” pragmatism was the best thing I’ve heard from these campaigns. White supremacy is the core problem, but white people aren’t going to give up such a valuable commodity because they feel like being nice. I thought this was quite refreshing.

      FIFY

    4. White supremacy is the core problem

      Why is this always considered a de facto truth? The way it is portrayed some times, you’d think all of us white people get together at secret meetings and try to keep the black man down. But guess what? Most of us are far too busy with our lives to spend two seconds trying to maintain some ridiculous sense of ‘white supremacy’, and wouldn’t know how to do anything to support it if we did.

      Why haven’t the nonwhite immigrants from hundreds of countries around the world suffered from this super-prevalent ‘white supremacy’? Seems like they manage to overcome the horrible racists in this country by the second generation, if not the first. Are they left out of the supremacy equation?

      What’s actually the case is that there are far too many people in political and social roles who are doing just fine by constantly insisting that we are a racist nation and stoking the fires. Not much money or fame in harmony, I’m afraid. And as long as we keep hearing from them every day about how horribly racist this country is, rather than working for improvements and celebrating them when they occur, the situation is just never going to get any better.

      1. And as long as we keep hearing from them every day about how horribly racist this country is, rather than working for improvements and celebrating them when they occur, the situation is just never going to get any better.

        I think that’s more or less a paraphrase of what Hillary said. Yet I notice your complaint about my post was the really not controversial statement that white oppression of blacks is the first cause here. Or did you not realize we’re talking about a population whose ancestors were plundered of all their wealth and their right to autonomous life? When exactly, from slavery to today, did white privilege disappear?

        You can’t argue that racism isn’t a big problem and then make the inherently racist argument that there’s just something wrong with black people that makes them underprivileged!

        1. The problem with your ideology is it is all about tearing down, instead of lifting up. I read one sociology charlata…sorry professor who actually used her brain for something said that white privilege is actually what should be called normal.

          If we are to believe in white privilege, which I do not, then we should strive to get everyone to that level, not knock white people down.

          I remember reading one major black author who answered a question about racial justice. She said that when white kids are shot and killed by police at the same rate as black kids then we’ll have equality.

          How fucking crazy is that shit. It should be, when black kids aren’t shot at just like white kids aren’t shot at. But that would be equality and shit and that’s not what you’re after.

        2. The boat people showed up in my hometown when I was in grade school. They came here with their shirts on their backs and not much else. They learned english, the customs, etc. They worked hard and didn’t listen to anyone’s bullshit about how they were inferior. Now they own half of the town. Their kids are doctors, lawyers, and engineers.

          Ya’ know, it’s almost like race isn’t a factor at all.

          You are full of shit Tony. Worse, I think you believe your own bullshit.

          1. So tell me, what’s particularly wrong with black people? Ooh ooh say culture!

            1. Culture. Of course, bad inner city culture is partially the fault of racism 50 years ago because it a) creates a sense of victimization that was justified in 1965 but is not justified in 2015 and b) resulted in blacks being poorer than whites which meant that they got stuck in a cycle of poverty partially as a result of the implementation of the welfare state.

              I also think that because African Americans are poorer on average, they’ve been disproportionately harmed by the damages of the drug war. So part of it is modern policy (the continuing of the Drug War, for example), part of it is racism from decades ago that no longer exists, and part of it is the fault of black people who allow themselves to be used as pawns by race hustlers and sleazy politicians.

              Tell me, why do you not believe culture impacts the behavior of people? I love when dumbass, incoherent progressives like yourself scoff at the idea that culture can impact a society. Why does Egypt suck? Because Islamic culture is terrible and they believe terrible things. Why did the South suck in 1950? Because Southerners at the time were horrible racists who destroyed their states with their own backwardness and xenophobia.

              Culture plays a major role in success. Modern black culture is destroying them, just like southern culture destroyed them and Egyptian culture results in mass gang rape and clitoridectomies. So will you call me racist even though I criticized both white and Arab cultural groups as well?

          2. I was in college when the Vietnamese resettled in East Texas. The Klan hated them just as much as blacks, and actively antagonized them. But, yeah, these immigrants persevered. It was kind of like they followed the advice of Booker T. Washington rather than WEB DuBois. And now the offspring of these Asian immigrants are more genuinely American than most Americans who can trace their lineage to the Mayflower. At least, that’s my anecdotal experience.

      2. I get the sense that, between white segregationists and black nationalists, the notion that black people are part of essentially a completely separate America has been seeded, however subtly, in parts of black culture, especially in the underclass. If you see yourselves as part of a separate, mutually antagonist group with “White America” (a group that includes whites, asians, latinos, and the wrong sort of black people), then it’s easier to justify taking them for whatever you can, whether by robbery, tax-funded welfare, or, if you have at least a little self-respect, government work.

        Thus, instead of feeling ashamed for joining up with the Free Shit Brigade, you feel like you’re subversive. You aren’t giving up self-sufficiency to be trapped under the thumb of nasty, corrupt politicians, you’re getting your due by sticking it to those assholes that look down on you. That the resulting deficiency of character and the nasty attitude mostly ends up fucking over your “us” instead of the “them” is ignored, because a jingoist can’t point out the flaws in his own nation.

        BLM is the product of all this bullshit. The problem is always White (i.e., white, asian, latin, native american, pacific islander, or improperly black) oppression, the solution is always Fuck You Pay Me.

        1. I think you’re right about the nationalism. Nationalism in the 20th century in Eastern Europe and Asia was a hill people gladly died on. Still a big problem in the Middle East and parts of Africa. That’s why patriotism usually goes hand in hand with trampling on individual rights.

          And I think there’s a big sense of failure in this country that gangs have done nationalism so well in several cities.

      3. “Why is this always considered a de facto truth? The way it is portrayed some times, you’d think all of us white people get together at secret meetings and try to keep the black man down. But guess what? Most of us are far too busy with our lives to spend two seconds trying to maintain some ridiculous sense of ‘white supremacy’, and wouldn’t know how to do anything to support it if we did.”

        Because if it were pointed out that many of the worst police forces are actually 40%-50% black (if not an outright majority), it wouldn’t help the leftist goal of turning blacks and whites against each other for electoral purposes.

        Baltimore’s police department has more non-white officers than white officers, but police brutality in Baltimore is caused by white supremacy. Yeah, okay.

    5. You don’t have any solutions as white supremacy is not the problem. Racism is not the problem. You are the problem with your “everything is racist” beliefs. Did the author of the article say that he thinks black people are inferior based solely on their skin and origins? If not, then nothing the author said is racist as it doesn’t meet that very basic criteria.

      The problem is the prohibitionist mindset, power trips, indifference to suffering of those you don’t affiliate with, etc.

      They enforce petty laws on poor white neighborhoods too.

      Also there’s no grand white supremacy going on there Alex Jones.

      1. The racist part of the argument is the implication that black people–like almost all of them–are so lacking in agency and intelligence that they keep electing the very politicians who oppress them. I read it all the time.

        Racism is the core problem because it is both the historical cause of the social and economic inequities under discussion and because it is why white people and white politicians don’t ever do much about it.

        But her point, and I agree, is that asking white people if they would mind not being so racist is the wrong approach, because lots of them won’t stop being racist and it won’t do the practical good they are looking for.

        1. I agree that you don’t change minds in that manner. You can only do it at a personal level not at a national.

          The problem with your approach is that most people aren’t racist like that. You’re also flippantly using “white people” which you would flip shit if somebody used “black people” in the same manner. This is why you get called a hypocrite when you use this argument.

          Another racist implication is that black people need gov’t protection and can’t make it without a benevolent white hand, such as yours. You have to stand up to those other mean whites or they will never succeed.

          The problem that you’re looking for is that no one gives a shit about poor people. Go to any rural area in Appalachia and you’ll see the same problems as the ghettos have, minus the epic violence. Worse poverty actually. It just so happens that a bigger percentage of black people happen to be poor so it looks like something that it used to be but is not anymore.

      2. Dude, Tony is a troll. You’re wasting your time. Scroll up and read my response to you about it earlier.

        1. Thanks man. I had my suspicions that he was “educated” in the social “sciences”. I was guess maybe gender studies but he rails on and on about race and shit so I’m now leaning more towards a straight sociology degree.

          He reminds me of something I once heard Richard Dawkins say. Educated to the point beyond their own analytical abilities.

          1. Thanks for jogging my memory there. Now I remember he said his ‘masters’ is in political science. He told me that my computer science degree is completely worthless. Funny how it is that he’s unemployed and I’m not.

            1. Your memory is shit.

          2. “Tony” has said he lives in a high-rise building with a doorman- in Oklahoma…

    6. “White supremacy is the core problem…”

      What a fucking idiot you are.

    7. they “happen to have” Democrats in office like AIDS patients “happen to be” HIV positive.

      1. “they “happen to have” Democrats in office like AIDS patients “happen to be” HIV positive.”

        DAYUM.

        Between this and Welch talking shit to Winston yesterday, the Reason writers are on a roll.

      2. Also, don’t think this will stop the Hit&Runpublicans; from claiming you’re a leftist the next time you say anything negative about the Republican party.

  24. I agree with Hillary on this. I have no problem agreeing with anyone if I think they are right, even if I despise everything else about that person.

    It’s not racism anymore. That’s a tired meme and it’s mostly just plain old wrong. The Drug War did start out racist, in my opinion, but it has shifted to class warfare and a massive power hard on for the gov’t. The drug war is enforced in rural areas with just as much zeal as in the inner city. I grew up way out in the hills with a post office and one store. That one store was owned by a drug dealer and the police used to raid his ass all the time. He never stayed in jail long though and he would be out for a while and they would come after him again. Think about that, cops coming to a place way out in the hills, with just a post office and his store across the street. Full swat gear and armored vehicles, everything.

    The problems are not racism but the cops having too much power and bad laws. Prohibition has been a massive failure every time it has been used. Name it; prostitution, alcohol, whatever.

    1. This isn’t to say that I think Hillary will actually do anything good. She will make it worse because she will cave to these morons and blame it all on racism. Police will get “sensitivity training” and the CRA might get strengthened but nothing of any substance will be done.

    2. “Prohibition has been a massive failure every time it has been used””

      That’s exactly right but it’s lesson never learned.

      These people are hurting themselves. They can’t do that. that’s our job. /the mob

    3. “The Drug War did start out racist”

      Only if you say that the WoD started with Anslinger. Since the 1970’s, the Congressional Black Caucus, black civil rights leaders, and black media have be strong advocates of the WoD.

  25. Frankly, I wouldn’t care if Clinton fell to her knees and said, “I’m a libertarian! Small “L”. Vote for me!”

    Why on earth, based on the last 25 years, would you take anything she says at face value? Does anyone doubt that she’ll say anything or do anything to become president?

    1. Tony will vote for her. Even if she eats live kittens on TV and says that in order to fix Americas issues, we have to sacrifice the children to Satan, he’ll vote for her.

      1. Dude I’m not sure that I could not vote for the candidate who ate lives kittens on TV. That’s the kinda crazy that gets you left alone.

        1. I’d vote for Ozzy and they said he ate a live bat.

          1. I would totally vote for Ozzy.

      2. She can go on national TV, spread her legs wide open and shout ‘lick me clean!’ and she’ll still get votes.

        Democracy in action bro.

        1. ewwwwwww. Now I’m going to have nightmares

        2. That’s like totally disturbing dude. I’m sure Tony and Buttpig are turned on though.

        3. …at least you’d learn whether she “wiped the server.”

    1. What, one of them accidentally threw a flash bang grenade up his own ass? That right there, that would be some justice.

      1. This dude punched a cop in the nose twice. The cop is the Columbus Police Chief’s son.

        http://www.10tv.com/content/st…..ficer.html

        1. Then there is firefighters vs cops.

          http://nbc4i.com/2015/08/18/th…..-incident/

        2. I really hate local news anchors. They’re insufferable statist jackasses, all of them.

          Oh he assaulted a ‘police officer’.. but not just ANY police officer, the SON OF A BIG PIGGY!!!!

          And now, scary new drugs in your neighborhood!

          Fuck these douchebags.

          1. Oh yeah, CBS affiliate. They’re all total bootlickers.

          2. Well, in fairness, it does make for a more interesting story.

            1. It’s not that it was mentioned, it’s the way he said it. “Not just some regular beat cop”

  26. “Flirting” makes the “receiver” feel “good, happy, flattered, pretty/attractive and in control.” But “sexual harassment” makes the “receiver” feel “bad, angry/sad, demeaned, ugly and powerless.”

    Glad they cleared that up.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer……le/2570412

    1. But flirting with the cute chick while the fat chick is nearby makes her feel sad, so it’s still harassment.

      1. It’s not what the girl looks like it’s what the guy looks like that determines giggles versus accusations.

    2. I don’t really buy it. Everyone loves attention, women I think even more than men.

      I remember when I was helping a friend of mine who lived in a pretty shitty neighborhood, years ago, clean up his yard. I was out there raking some leaves or something and this lady, well maybe that’s not quite the right word, comes over from across the street and asks me if I need any help. I stopped an looked up, she was pretty close to me at that point, smelling of booze and smiling a somewhat toothless grin. Ugh, sort of scared me a little. She asked me again if I need some help and I said, well, I can’t pay you, this is my friends place. She told me we can take it out in trade. I really didn’t know that that meant. I mean, well I know that that means.

      Even that made me feel good. That’s why I’m not buying it. Everyone likes attention, period. People who pretend otherwise are being arrogant, and probably lying.

      1. What if always found kind of funny is that I’m a friendly person and I smile at people. I don’t know that I’ve ever not had a girl who was say a 9 or 10 not smile back. I’ve had many 5’s or 6’s give me the eye roll like the mere act of smiling at them was akin to me hitting on them. I’m thinking to myself not in your wildest dreams. I don’t know what that is. It’s weird.

        1. double negative. lose the first not.

        2. Ha, that reminds me of one time… Ok. Me and my cousin, I was probaby 16 at the time were walking around the hood and my cousin says to me, ‘wow, look at that, do you know her’? We were at a street corner and he was looking diagonally across the street to the other side. I looked and saw several young ladies stopped on the corner waiting to cross and I did note that a couple of them were quite attractive and there was one who was very fat, I mean like 300 lbs. fat. He whistled, it sort of startled me, but he was always an asshole and so I wasn’t that surprised. I was watching the traffic and all of the sudden, I saw something large go right past me and it was the fat girl I had seen across the street and I hear this ‘whap!’. The fat girl had came across the street and slapped my cousin in the face and told him to not whistle at her! He looked a little shell shocked and then said ‘I wasn’t whistling at you, you crazy bitch!, I was whistling at your friend over there!’. She seems unconvinced and strutted back across the street looking justified and triumphant.

          1. I’m totally picturing that. That’s hilarious.

      2. “Even that made me feel good. That’s why I’m not buying it. Everyone likes attention, period. People who pretend otherwise are being arrogant, and probably lying.”

        Eh, there is such a thing as bad attention… However, “hugging” and “brushing” are inane.

        1. Well, it may have been bad attention if she would have pounced on me and grabbed my balls. But I mean, all she did was stand there and look at me and smile, so for me, it made me feel good. I don’t know. I was like fuck, someone was just offering me free sex, WIN!

    3. But if “hugging” and “brushing” against someone is considered harassment, that “pattern” wouldn’t be hard to prove, even if the person doing the hugging or brushing had no ill intent.

      Did these students live in plastic bubbles before enrolling? Hugging and brushing are things that could be awkward from someone you don’t know well but if they make you “angry” or “demeaned” then you probably have mental problems.

  27. Venezuela’s currency is worth less than a napkin

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/1…..index.html

    1. Socialism works!

    2. Now I want an empanada

      1. Well, just go to Venezuela, JB, you can buy a truckload for a couple dollars.

        1. Don’t give me ideas:)

    3. Don’t flush ’em. It’s bad for septic systems.

    4. Now Maduro can reclassify the bills as toilet paper and declare the shortage over! #ProblemSolved

  28. Does it matter that foreign types have her info? It’s not like you need to blackmail her, she’s for sale. Always.

    So what good does this do for them? Sure they may find out what other powers are up to but she would tell them that for a nice donation to her foundation anyway.

    Still though I hope this goes all brushfire and takes out all manner of cronies, ops, and lickspittles.

    1. Well at this point we don’t know how Platte River Networks went from a mom and pop IT shop who stored their servers in a bathroom closet to a company of 50 employees or so in a large new building. Was it financed by team Hillary or was it financed by China and Russia? We don’t know yet. I bet the FBI has a clue or two about it by now though.

      The company is already being sued for criminal behavior.

  29. Democrats’ policies have created failed schools, brutal cops, and corrupt governments, all in the service of creating a government worker middle class that treats marginalized residents, many of them black, like wards of the State, for which government must extract resources and impose control, by any means necessary, up to the systemic use of deadly force.

    Also complicating matters is that many, many people who make up the government worker class in these areas are also black. Any move to reform it will be further evidence that whitey is trying to keep the black man down. Snake having its tail for lunch.

    1. Yes, black government workers (many of them cops!) are fucking over the blacks who don’t work for the state. Unfortunately, that doesn’t make as good a headline as whining about a supposed RACE WAR that does not actually exist.

      My favorite part of the argument that whites are ‘exploiting’ or oppressing black people in modern society is that white people don’t benefit in any way from having a poor, black underclass, a depressing percentage of which is on welfare. It’s a drag on our economy. I would personally love if African Americans became much wealthier because our economy would be way healthier and also I’m a humanitarian who doesn’t like people to be suffering.

      But I’m probably a racist anyway because I don’t think the primary problem with modern black America is some illusory white supremacy that no one can prove exists and which apparently occurs frequently in police departments that are 40-50% black.

  30. If the vigorous enforcement of petty laws?in Garner’s case the sale of loose, untaxed, cigarettes?killed Eric Garner

    Which it didn’t. Why do the writers here keep promoting this canard?

  31. lol, I guess black lives dont matter after all lol.

    http://www.Total-Privacy.tk

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