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Chris Christie's Revealing, Easy to Spot Lie About His 9/11 Credentials

Candidates at both of yesterday's debates tried to highlight the 9/11 connections in their personal histories.

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At last night's Republican presidential debate, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul got into it over the National Security Agency's bulk records collection program. Debate co-host Megyn Kelly asked Christie if he thought it was really fair to say he'd blame Paul for a terrorist act that occurred after Paul's campaign against the NSA's bulk collection program. From the transcript:

Yes, I do. And I'll tell you why: because I'm the only person on this stage who's actually filed applications under the Patriot Act, who has gone before the federal — the Foreign Intelligence Service court, who has prosecuted and investigated and jailed terrorists in this country after September 11th.

I was appointed U.S. attorney by President Bush on September 10th, 2001, and the world changed enormously the next day, and that happened in my state.

This is not theoretical to me. I went to the funerals. We lost friends of ours in the Trade Center that day. My own wife was two blocks from the Trade Center that day, at her office, having gone through it that morning.

Paul stressed the importance of warrants for records collection, saying he didn't trust President Obama even if Chris Christie wanted to give the president another hug, a reference to Christie's October 2012 meeting with Obama after Hurricane Sandy hit the northeast. Christie responded that the hugs he remembered were from victims of 9/11 families. Seriously.

But, Christie's personal experience-based defense of the NSA's collections program contains an easily disprovable lie, as Emptywheel points out:

Never mind that most US Attorneys don't, themselves, go before the FISC to present cases (usually it is people from the National Security Division, though it was OIPR when Christie was US Attorney), never mind that the name of the court is the "Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

The real doozie here is Chris Christie's claim that he "was appointed U.S. attorney by President Bush on September 10th, 2001."

On December 7, 2001 — three months after the attacks — President Bush released this notice of nomination.

Emptywheel also reads an implication of illegal wiretapping in Christie's rhetorical gusto:

Christie implies he was involved in the dragnet in question. He was US Attorney from January 2002 to December 2008 — so he in fact would have been in office during the two years when the phone dragnet worked through the Servic–um, Surveillance court, and four years of the Internet dragnet. But if, as he implies, he was involved in the dragnet for the entire span of his tenure — and remember, there were huge cases run out of Trenton right out of 9/11 — then he was also using the fruits of illegal wiretapping to do his job. Not Servic — um, Surveillance court authorized dragnets and wiretaps, but also illegal wiretaps.

A majority of Americans in opinion surveys say they disapprove of the NSA's collection programs. A Pew Research poll this May found a full 74 percent of respondents did not believe privacy should be sacrificed for safety. But Paul is one of only a few Republican candidates (Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is another) who has fought against the NSA program, and hawkish Republican candidates like Christie see attacking Paul on that as an effective way to build support among the Republican base, illustrating how out of touch that base can be on some of the important issues of the day.

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  1. Whatever. Fat fuck isn’t long for this campaign. And, Lord, PLEASE don’t let anyone appoint him prosecutor or judge of ANYTHING. Not even the 4H Contest at the County Fair. Motherfucker’d just eat all the food and then the show animals, too.

    1. That’s one of the funniest things I’ve read all day. Bravo

    2. ‘Would Monseuir Christie like an after dinner mint? They are wafer thin!’

      1. The King of Bacon looks at that guy as a lightweight. Christie would have two mints and then follow Eric Idle all the way to that nice estate with a spring in his step.

    3. America is not going to elect a fat loud mouth for president. Christie is just jockeying for a larger platform, which he does need by the way, to hold his fat ass.

    4. v/Fatpeoplehate is leaking. good

  2. Christie responded that the hugs he remembered were from victims of 9/11 families. Seriously.

    Rand’s eye roll when he went there was priceless. As was the butthurt on Twitter from people who thought that was disrespectful.

    In reality I think most Americans are tired of New York and New Jersey politicians waving the bloody shirt of 9/11. It didn’t do Giuliani a damn bit of good and people actually associate him positively with the event, unlike Christie.

    1. I was tired of it by September 14.

      I recall the NCAA giving the individual conferences the choice whether to play that Saturday, and the SEC were the one conference that decided they would play. I would have liked to get back to something halfway normal since I didn’t have cable back then and pretty much everything was all 9/11 all the time. But the New York types screamed bloody murder, and the SEC caved.

      1. In the SEC’s defense, they wouldn’t have wanted to reschedule conference games they inexplicably schedule in September and have to cancel late season games against 1-AA opponents to make them up.

        By the way, The Ohio State University beat TSUN in 2001, 26-20.

        1. If only Colt hadn’t gotten hurt. Texass butthurt supreme.

      2. New Yorkers tend to be very self absorbed about being New Yorkers. Might as well seal off the island of Manhattan and deport all the progtards there. Think of it like ‘Escape From New York’, but with Al Sharpton as The Duke. And with everyone having half the IQ. Maybe Bernie Sanders could drive an old cab…….

  3. If there was any justice in this world, Christie would choke to death on a ham sandwich.

    1. +1 Cass Elliott or something like that

      1. And no one’s gettin’ fat except Mama Cass

        1. Well, you gotta admit, she’s lost a LOT of weight over the years….

      2. As a recent fan, I had to look that up and of course it’s false. People really suck sometimes.

      3. That’s “Mama” Cass to you fella.

    2. Or maybe on Peter North’s North Pole.

  4. Christie implies he was involved in the dragnet in question.

    Very well, Mr. Christie, when the revolution comes you’ll be among the first up against the wall. Figuratively speaking.

    1. I believe the current lingo is “first in the wood chipper”

      1. The extra-wide woodchipper.

        Metaphorically speaking, of course.

        1. “THAT WOODCHIPPER’S GONNA BE ‘UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE” – The Donald

          1. Is it just me or was he standing and holding the stand like he was dropping something into the woodchipper?

    2. Christie is the kinda guy that Stone Age clans would keep around for hard times. Make him think he’s important but when the food get’s scarce start the ritual, give him some hallucinogens, and a 8 hours later pulled pork,

      1. They call that the “long pork.”

        1. The South Sea Islanders call human meat “long pig” not pork if that was what you’re referring to..

  5. I lived in NJ on 9/11 I don’t recall Christie being around at the time.

    He used exactly the same argument that gun grabbers use after ever high-profile shooting.

    “I get to strip away your Constitutional rights because I sympathize with a victim of a random crime.”

    1. In this case it’s, “Golly, it’s so hard to find bad guy terrorists will all these pesky rights we have to worry about!”

      1. M’kay, who does this sound like:

        I am not spying on 300 million Americans. I am “protecting” 300 million Americans.

        So shut up, sit down, behave and submit.

        Or I’ll eat you.

    2. all of which resulted in zero stopped terrorist attacks, so wow even violating the constitution he was ineffective.

      1. No, no. They stopped some.
        They just can’t tell us when, where, or how because secrecy, or some other shit.

        I believe them.

    3. People have forgotten, too (which I wish Meg Kelly had dared bring up during the debate) that Christie is one of THE preeminent gun-grabbers in America. He made his bones as a NJ DA campaigning on an anti-gun platform.

      http://www.thepoliticalguide.c…..95gun2.jpg

  6. Well, let’s see if most of the news outlets treat his lies as the do Shrillery’s

  7. Hey, Ed! Why don’t you go hug some 911 survivors, like I did with Chris Christie when we were NY together on 9/11 and 9/12, when our wives (both from Canada) were working next door?! Huh! Why don’t you tell us about all the survivors YOU hugged those two days!

    CAUSE ME AND FATSO DID HUG PEOPLE! DON’T TRY TO FOIST YOUR GUILT TRIP OFF ON US CAUSE YOU WEREN’T THERE, MAN! YOU WEREN’T THERE! AND THAT’S ON YOU!

    1. Did you hug Christie ?

      You must have some long arms.

    2. While we’re on the subject, who the hell WANTS to be hugged by all grown up Gov. Eric Cartman anyway? Other than to appease his Authoritah.

  8. Remember, with the Bushes, September and December are interchangeable.

  9. So, Chris Christie is the Rudy Gialiani of this election cycle.

    9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11
    9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11

    1. Lois Griffin agrees.

      1. I’m not gonna lie. That news reporter does it for me.

        1. Asian reporter Trisha Takanaywa?

          1. Tom, I’m standing heeeeeeere with…

    2. Why not. It’s a proven winner isn’t it?

    3. “Chris Christie is the Rudy Gialiani of this election cycle”

      Why not? It was clearly a winning formula.

      1. Not winning enough, thank God. Can you imagine a Giuliani presidency?

  10. Someone should challenge him on the Fort Dix 6 during the debate. It’s his favorite set of trophy heads and undermining that narrative would give him a full-blown cardiac event.

  11. A self-important asshole who thinks so little of the electorate that he just assumes he can get away with transparent and easily-disproven lies? Christie sounds like presidential timber to me.

      1. He channels Taft……..while at the buffet.

    1. Hey, it works for Obama.

      1. Who?
        I hope somebody is watching him while all the 2016 stuff in going on.

        1. Maybe somebody will forget that he’s in the back seat of the car…

          1. Hey, hey… those days are over, thank Parks.

    2. You know who else was aself-important asshole who thought so little of the electorate that he just assumed he could get away with transparent and easily-disproven lies?

      1. Every career politician in all of time and space?

  12. OT: I checked Twitter, and apparently media outlets are producing odes to the 10th anniversary of Peter Jennings’s death. Someone slap me.

    1. I had to look that up. 10 years? I would have guessed 5 at most.

    2. Wait, Peter Jennings is dead?

      1. Please don’t freak out, but so if Lou Reed.

        1. and there’s an upcoming biopic with Phillip Seymour…oh, wait. Never mind.

      2. Lou Reed says he is.

  13. Yes, I do. And I’ll tell you why: because I’m the only person on this stage who’s actually filed applications under the Patriot Act–

    Which, in a just and decent society, would be an automatic disqualifier, at least as far as the voting public was concerned.

    1. I’m the only person on this stage who’s actually filed applications under the Patriot Act

      Cruz was a federal prosecutor. So this might not be true, either.

      1. Cruz was a federal prosecutor. So this might not be true, either.

        I’d be delighted if Cruz did in fact invoke the Patriot Act. Though I suspect Cruz would’ve pointed that out immediately.

        But wether they’ve personally wielded it as prosecutors wouldn’t really affect my feelings toward them. That they even support the Patriot Act means they’ll never have my vote.

        1. I’d be delighted if Cruz did in fact invoke the Patriot Act simply because that would mean the Fat Man was caught in another lie

        2. That would require Cruz to actually listen to someone.

  14. Paul needs to excoriate Christie on his blatant lies. The man lies about when he was made a federal prosecutor? Sure, people misremember dates all the time. But nobody misremembers the date they were made a federal prosecutor as it applies to the most infamous terrorist attack in our nation’s history…especially since their district would be one that dealt very much with terrorism.

    Christie’s lie needs to be exposed and Paul or somebody else needs to (correctly) accuse him of climbing on the pile of corpses at the WTC to further his political ambitions through confirmable lies. He would be toast.

    1. People will remember the sound bite, they will mostly not even be aware of the lie.

      1. They will if somebody brings it up at every chance. Christie will lose the 9/11 campaign because he’ll be too busy hoping his lie gets lost in the shuffle.

      2. “Sure I lied about when I became a federal prosecutor as it related to 9/11, but that doesn’t negate my point or my fight against terrorism.”
        -or-
        “I misremembered when I was nominated to be a federal prosecutor and mistakenly thought it was the day before the terrorist attack that I’ve linked myself to instead of it being several months after the fact, which would make my link tenuous at best and undermine my narrative.”

        Take your pick, because those will be his only two ways to address the factually accurate attack.

        1. Not to defend Christie, but is it possible Bush told him in September but the official appointment came in December?

          1. Not plausible at all. He knows the significance of the date “9-11”. He said he was nominated or appointed the day before. That is wrong by 90+days, which would be excusable to remember something 14 years later but not as it relates to the events of 9/11.

            He gave the impression that he was there in the trenches fighting terrorism the day of the attack and every day forward as a federal prosecutor. He was not even working for the federal government until several months later.

            It would be like someone saying they were on the first landing craft an Omaha Beach when in fact they weren’t at Normandy until the middle of September delivering food to the storage depot.

            1. Sorry, I didn’t word my response clearly – see Tonio below for a more articulate take on what I was trying to say.

              1. Thanks, RN.

          2. There’s some wiggle room in there. The president appoints them but those appointments have to be confirmed by the US Senate. The USAG is authorized to make interim appointments, ie to let the person serve until the Senate confirms them.

          3. i’ve read that he was informed that they had begun the vetting as a prelude to nominating him, and that he found this out on september 10th. however, that’s clearly not the same thing as he asserted last night.

        2. I wonder if the left will gin-up a 9/11 widows group (reminiscent of the Swift Boat Veterans) to discredit Christie on this.

          1. They won’t need to. He’ll be a political afterthought outside of New Jersey within six months.

            1. and an afterthought inside of New Jersey within 6 years, hopefully.

  15. Christie will be using this song at all future campaign stops.

    1. I was expecting “Baby’s Got Back”.

      1. Fat Back

        1. Chili’s baby back ribs.

  16. The way Chris Christie is pushing the whole 9/11 motif proves to me just how horrible the man really is. He’s wrapping himself up in 9/11 victims like a warm blanket. Which is just reprehensible in and of itself. But, it also seems to me that it’s proven to fail. If it didn’t work for Rudy Giuliani, why does this POS think it’s going to do any better for him.

  17. So is Hillary going to debate herself? Old vs. New Hillary?

    1. No, when Democrats do a 180, they “evolve”. When Republicans do it, they “flip-flop”.

      1. And of course you don’t hold the old views against Democrats. Republicans don’t really believe their new position; they’re just saying whatever it takes to get votes.

        1. Of course not. Democrats are never “political”, only altruistic fighters for the common good. Only republicans are politically motivated.

  18. I was telling Banjos that Carson could have won the debate before it started by the following:

    Kelly: “are you nervous?”

    Carson (holds up right hand showing it steady). “Look at that”

    Kelly: “steady as a rock.”

    Carson (holds up left hand fluttering wildly). “But I do surgery with this hand!”

    1. He was the only one on stage with a detectable sense of humor.

  19. The followup questions just write themselves, because I’m pretty sure he lied about a lot more than that:

    I went to the funerals. We lost friends of ours in the Trade Center that day.

    Who were your friends who died that day?

    Whose funeral did you go to that died in the World Trade Center?

    Fewer than 3,000 people died out of a city of millions, that he didn’t even live in. The odds that he was friends with any of them are vanishingly small.

    1. Somebody should FOIA his government email and itinerary for the days immediately following 9/11 to see if he’s telling the truth.

      Oh that’s right. He didn’t work for the government for at least 90 days after the attack.

      But either way, it would be comical to find out through a private investigation that he was in Florida or somewhere else on vacation after the attack.

      1. From 1998 until December 7, 2001, Chris Christie was a Trenton lobbyist and lawyer.

        I’m sure he could name some people who he knew who died – my wife and I live in NJ and she can name many.

        So what? I can name many of the Founding Fathers who fought a revolution so they could write a Constitution with a Fourth Amendment.

        1. What’s that?

          1. I had to look it up. It’s the one that says dogs can sniff your butt and then law enforcement can confiscate your house and papers. Or it’s that the one that says law enforcement can stop and search you because they think you did something illegal that isn’t. Wikis are great.

    2. I thought the most blatant lie was that he had friends.

    3. By friends, he meant friends of the friends. I mean, come on, this is New Jersey.

      1. I’ve been watching The Sopranos over from the beginning, and I definitely perked up when he said, “friends of ours”.

    4. Yeah, he did. I live in the neighboring town over from Christy – about 10 miles from his actual house. We had around 20 people in our area killed, so it’s quite possible he attended some funerals.

      1. Hell, I just flipped on Fox Business and Katherine Mangu-Ward in on RIGHT NOW talking about the gheys.

    5. Fewer than 3,000 people died out of a city of millions, that he didn’t even live in.

      FWIW, most workers in the financial district live in NJ. If my company is representative I would guess about 80%.

      1. Ok, maybe not as implausible as I thought.

        Still, asking him to name names could be packaged as an attempt to help him. And when he can’t (because I bet he can’t), make him look like a fool.

        1. I hope “piss off” would be an acceptable response, because if someone pulled that on me, that is what I would say.

          “Name the names of your dead friends” – seriously?

          1. Seriously.

            He is the one who brought up his dead friends for political expediency.

            If he didn’t want to talk about them he shouldn’t have introduced them into the conversation. You don’t get to go there and then tell everyone else they can’t go there.

    6. We’d better hope the next time Christie decides to shut down a bridge for political revenge it won’t be needed as an escape route for two million people an hour later.

  20. Repeatedly criticizing a speaker for misspeaking on stage makes the critic look desperate and petty and detracts from the valid points they have.
    On another note, I’m surprised to see the commentariat here resort to lame fat jokes. The comments here are consistently educational and entertaining. I’m more accustomed to seeing ad hominem attacks coming from those who can’t do any better.

    1. But he is fat. Like, Orca on depression-meds fat.

      If a guy can’t control his calorie intake, why should he control the free world?

      #NoFatties4President

      1. Hey, at least there’s an appropriately sized tub in the White House.

        1. Ah, the historic “Taft Lathering/Hosing-Off Chamber”

      2. I generally agree with you but it’s not like Christie is perfect except for this one issue.

        Christie fat jokes are every bit as lame as Hillary pantsuit and Trump hair jokes.

        1. You were once that little fat boy, weren’t you?

          1. I’m only fat if compared to an average Tour de France rider.

            Thanks for the laugh! I loved him in Scrooged.

        2. In other words, they never get old?

          1. ^^ this

            #LARDO

            #PANTSUIT

            #CHINCHILLAONHEAD

            1. Okay, that last one is quite creative. A+

        3. Christie fat jokes are every bit as lame as Hillary pantsuit and Trump hair jokes.

          The jokes may be lame, but I think the underlying issue is real, and says a lot more aobut the candidate than Trump’s rug or Clinton’s Mao suits: a man as morbidly obese as Christie is clearly an undisciplined glutton. To me, that speaks volumes about the candidate’s personality type, much more so than some trifling fashion choice.

          1. Also, POTUS is a stressful job. Look at how much relatively young presidents (Obama and Carter come to mind) aged in office. So there is a real possibility that Christie could die in office. The electorate have a reasonable expectation that the candidate they elect will be able to serve out his term.

          2. Is diabetes treatment covered under Obamacare? Maybe that’s why he’s expanded Medicare so much in his state!

            1. He expands everything in his state, particularly his waistline!

          3. Maybe he has thyroid issues ?

            Fat women claim that all the time.

            SEXIST !

      3. Don’t fuck with The Kingpin. Unless you’re Rand ‘Daredevi, Paul of course.

    2. Right. We should only ridicule people in the substance of their arguments and should ignore the fact that they’re a fat slob with obvious impulse control.

      Lighten up, Francis. Just because was can do better doesn’t mean we always have to.

      1. You can call me Ray. And you can call me Ray Jay.

        But don’t call me FRANCIS !

    3. His “valid point” was based entirely on this lie. He was only appealing to the audience’s emotions. Hence his decision to lie about the date to make his story more impactful and make it sound like he’s a bigger authority on 9/11.

      “Misspeaking on stage.” Very nice.

      1. Hillary also misspoke when she claimed to be traveling under sniper fire. And I still can’t believe NBC demoted Brian Williams merely for misspeaking a few times.

        1. No, that’s an obvious lie. Mixing up Service and Surveillance is worth noting, but it makes the Emptywheel writer look petty when he points out the discrepancy once, then jests about it twice on one paragraph. That’s sloppy and lazy IMO..

          1. And the electorate has a right to judge a candidate on his articulacy. Plus, imagine if he misspoke while giving someone an important order.

      2. Maybe I wasn’t clear. The “valid points” I referred to were those being made by the Emptywheel writer quoted in the story. I don’t consider checking the validity of Christie’s points to be worthy of my time, though I’m glad someone has done so. I won’t vote for Christie in the primary and there a slim chance he’ll make it through to the general election.

        1. Christie has a slim chance. ? That’s funny.

          Fat chance that he can get enough money to continue much longer. I imagine the only donations he’s getting now are cronys looking for favors locally in Joisey. His snarky sarcastic attitude he took towards Paul made me want to reach through the screen and slap his fat ass back to Nu Joisey.

          I hope that the bridge back into New Joisey is shut down on his ride home.

    4. Repeatedly criticizing a speaker for misspeaking on stage makes the critic look desperate and petty and detracts from the valid points they have.

      Intentionally misstating the date he was nominated to be a federal prosecutor is not a case of him ‘misspeaking.’ Christie outright lied about it specifically to gain political points. This is not Obama saying ‘fifty-seven’ states when he obviously meant forty-seven.

      Chris. Christie. Lied. He lied so he could make a more convincing yet still fallacious appeal-to-emotion argument in a presidential debate.

      And he deserves all the scorn in the world for it.

      1. That’s a completely valid criticism. Not that I need any reasons not to vote for him, but it might sway someone else who’s on the fence.

        1. Yeah. And he’s a fat fuck too!

    5. I read somewhere recently that we’re a bunch of juvenile blowhards. You get used to it.

  21. Who cares? His feelings don’t allow government to trump (damn) my rights.

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  23. “I was appointed U.S. attorney by President Bush on September 10th, 2001, and the world changed enormously the next day, and that happened in my state.”

    9/11 happened in New Jersey?

    1. He thinks he is Guv of NY because he was able to cause a traffic jam on the GW Bridge.

      1. He’s lucky there were no terrorist attacks in NYC that day.

        Perhaps he knew the actual odds but pretends he doesn’t when he campaigns.

    2. Yeah, that jarred me awake, too. I mean, I’ve never been, but I don’t think New York City is like Kansas City. Like it’s really in New York. Things the governor of New Jersey should know, chapter 1, page 1, paragraph 1.

    3. United 93 left from Newark. The hijackers boarded in Newark. Does that count? Probably to a politician it does.

      1. If he is such a tuff guy terrorist warrior he should have been at the gate and stopped them from boarding.

        See, it’s Christie’s fault that 9/11 happened. He let them on the plane !

        Politics is easy.

  24. I’ll say this for the bastard, he made some salient points vis a vis Social Security. Which does not stop him from being a genuinely evil person who should never be allowed within ten feet of authority.

  25. Obama’s slogan: Hope and Change
    Christie’s slogan: Fear and Loathing

  26. next time christie goes pro NSA everyone should remind him that no one has ever been caught by the NSA yet. In other words a waste of money and just info waiting to be exploited againts innocents just like the IRS

    1. If you like your government waste, you can keep your government waist – Christie ’16

      1. You know his grocer loves him.

  27. Apart from any Christie love or hate, regarding when he was nominated as US Atty: isn’t the most plausible interpretation that he was told on September 10 (called, informed, however) that he was going to get the nod, but it didn’t become “official” until December, and he took office in January?

    1. Let’s say that it’s incredibly convenient, given that “9/10” is a powerful symbolic signifier for pre-9/11 thinking. That said, the obvious retort is that Christie isn’t a 9/12 thinker, he’s a 7/3 thinker.

  28. I had hoped Bridgegate would have finished him off, but no, someone had to roll his fat ass onto the stage. He’s probably still on the stage as I write this, unless they used one of the forklifts to remove his lard ass.

  29. I hope that enough people are over the major part of the 9/11 claim to fame of politicians. I notice hat there are a lot of people that are concerned about government overreach. So many of us are ready to get rid of the Patriot act, and all of its abuses. My, Union card holding, Democrat brother-in-law is even complaining about “big brother’s” behavior, threatening our right to privacy! There seem to be people, that have been on both sides of the aisle, who are getting fed up, with the over-regulation of the lettered agencies, as well. I am hoping to see Rand’s numbers go up as the attrition of lesser known candidates starts.

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