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WATCH: How Germany Forgot the Horrors of Communism

25 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the former East Germany is seen as a quirk of history, not a monstrous police state.

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With shows like FX's The Americans and Sundance TV's Deutschland 83 bringing the intrigue of Cold War politics back into the pop cultural zeitgeist, the legacy of the former East Germany is once again being debated. 

While covering the 25th Anniversary of the Fall of the Berlin Wall last November, Reason TV spoke with a number of Germans about the curious nostalgia for life under an authoritarian dictatorship.

"How Germany Forgot the Horrors of Communism": Produced by Anthony L. Fisher. About 3 and a half minutes. 

Original release date was February 4, 2015 and the original writeup is below.

Germany recently celebrated 25 years of reunification with a beautiful art installation retracing the path of the Berlin Wall and educational exhibits of its Cold War history. For many Germans, it was a rare moment of reflection on the horrors perpetrated by the German Democratic Republic (a.k.a. GDR, East Germany, DDR).

The phenomenon known as Ostalgie, or nostalgia for the East, along with favorable views of socialism, have led to a curious whitewashing of the GDR's legacy. Particularly among young Germans, the GDR is seen as a quirk of history, a strange but charming place with campy state-manufactured products and a culture of nude beaches and enthusiastic collectivism, rather than a monstrous police state which imprisoned, murdered, tortured, and spied on its own people.

Reason TV visited Berlin and spoke with DDR Museum Scientific Director Dr. Stefan Wolle, Students for Liberty's Frederik Cyrus Roeder, Prometheus think tank founder Clemens Schnieder, and Lichtgrenze artists Mark and Christopher Bauder about why Germans are so skittish about confronting the country's dark communist legacy.  

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  1. And who can forget the wonderful movies it gave us like Gotcha and Top Secret? Cinema just isn’t the same these days.

    1. “What he did not realize was that, in this country, we use 220 volt current. He was found impaled upon a large electrical device. Our surgeons did what they could, but it took them two hours just to remove the smile from his face.”

      1. Ahh.. yes, about that..

    2. Hey, what’s Cloak and Dagger, chopped liver?

      1. The only thing to appreciate about that movie is a young Gabrielle Anwar. Besides, Target is a much grittier and better version of a similar concept.

        1. Gabriel Anwar at any age should be appreciated, and the combination of trench-coat-wearing Gene Hackman, and a young, rebellious, post Rumble Fish/The Outsiders Matt Dillon is a winner for sure.

          That being said, I am very partial to Spies Like Us, and not just because of Donna Dixon (mostly because of Donna Dixon.

          1. Spies Like Us is a hell of a lot of fun. And besides Donna Dixon, there was also Vanessa Angel, don’t forget.

            But the fact that no one has mentioned Remo Williams needs to be corrected. Ok, I just did. You move like pregnant yak.

            1. I forgot that was Vanessa Angel. She was a delight. I have never watched Reno Williams, but I have watched “The Adventures of Ford Fairlane.” There is no excuse.

              1. Dude, you haven’t seen Remo Williams? Oh man, you need to remedy that. Like, right now.

          2. Ha. Rumble Fish. I remember that movie. Very interesting.

            I like Matt Dillon.

  2. A little piece of the East still survives.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampelm?nnchen

    1. To be fair, I really doubt Walmart employees recognized the ISIS flag. I wouldn’t have. It’s just a black cake with some message written in a heathen tongue on top.

    2. As soon as you ban something you give it power it didn’t have previously.

      1. It really opens up some business opportunities, this social signaling. If I had time I’d start up a website called iwilltakeyourmoney.com that dealt in nothing but items it is no longer socially acceptable to sell. It’s a growth industry.

        1. That’s actually goddamn brilliant. Someone said they’d make a website called ‘Southernstuff.com,’ but I like your idea better since it a) makes it less overtly political since it’s ALL socially unacceptable goods rather than just those related to the confederacy and b) makes the thing relatively tongue in cheek due to the name.

          1. It doesn’t even need to just be items that it’s not socially acceptable to buy, it can be items that are controversial for any reason – get copies of the Communist Manifesto*, radical Islamist tracts on the Koran, and Mein Kampf on there as well. Selling Che Guevara shirts next to Nazi paraphernalia and Confederate flags would make some leftists’ heads explode.

            *Although, come to think of it, I can think of quite a few American college campuses where the Communist Manifesto isn’t particularly controversial.

            1. I also like this idea. Especially since someone stole my first million dollar idea.

            2. Isn’t this just what Tor and the like is supposed to facilitate?

              And it was “Suthenstuff.com”.

              1. It was, until they put DPR through a metaphorical woodchipper.

            3. Exactly. Anything that gives people the vapors sold on demand, no questions asked.

              “iwilltakeyourmoney.com” neither supports nor opposes any causes, though we do encourage social condemnation in all forms and in all forums. We exist solely to make as much money as possible from as many people as possible.”

              1. Back in the day, my idea was buymybodyfluids.com. I mean, why flush my piss, spit, and tears away when I could sell it to some pervert?

                It never got off the ground.

                1. You have to be pretty, dear, to sell your piss, spit, and tears. Maybe you are. What the fuck do I know? But a pretty Heroic Mulatto could, in fact, make a substantial income of his/her piss, spit, and tears. If you are NOT pretty, however, and maybe a little fat? Get fatter- Like super fatter- and then swim in piles of cake and fatty man/woman Heroic Mulatto will make some cash with his/her nude cake swimming cam. I wager maybe 2-5k a month? Yea, I feel this number is about right

                  1. Is AC’s day job as a porn consultant?

                  2. I’ll leave my “prettiness” for others to judge. But I can safely say I’m not nude cake fat porn material.

            4. ” Selling Che Guevara shirts next to Nazi paraphernalia and Confederate flags would make some leftists’ heads explode.”

              They would glibly point out which one was not like the others, and henceforth.. didn’t belong.. “Dr. Guevara killed for a noble cause.. wasn’t an unrepentant racist.. didn’t support state sanctioned slavery.. didn’t commit genocide!!1”

    3. “The cake in the video should not have been made and we apologize.”

      *facepalm*

      1. “Apologize”? To whom, exactly?

        “Those who made the cake *and* those who made the apology, have been sacked.”

        1. To gay weddings catered with ISIS flag cakes everywhere.

        2. Those who sacked those who made the cake *and* those who made the apology, have also been sacked.

          1. The pe?ple wh? sacked the pe?ple wh? made the ap?l?gy have als? been sacked.

            1. Wi n?t trei a h?liday in Sweden this yer?

              See the l?veli lakes

              The wonderful teleph?ne system

              And mani interesting furry animals

              1. Hmph – I tried to mention my moose but got the “this is not English” nonsense.

    4. Well, if any flag is made for a cake it’s the old Eagle Banner, Rayat al-Sawda. i mean the writing on it looks like it was written in cake icing.

    5. Are we sure that’s Arabic writing and not dildos and butt plugs?

      1. Let’s hold off until the CNN report.

    6. No joke, there’s a lawyer out there who is trying to get white southerners recognized as a protected class under the “civil rights” laws. I’m too lazy to look up the details right now. Basically, this is the kind of case where he might be willing to sue – I mean, it’s *totally* discrimination when some company won’t affirm your group’s lifestyle with a cake!

      1. They all want cake..

      2. Can someone sue to get libertarians recognized as a protected class?

        1. Endangered species, maybe..

  3. The entire West has forgotten.

    We have an avowed socialist as a serious presidential candidate right fucking now.

    1. “In America, anyone can grow up to be President. Fucking *anyone*.”

      1. And, our current white house resident is proof positive that the “In America, anyone can grow up to be President. Fucking *anyone*.” platitude is utter bullshit. To Obama’s credit, as a result of his chronic and egregious parade of miserable fuck-ups.. I learned that I could not be an effective president.. He is living proof of what happens when Joe Six-pack is elected president.

        1. A dumb ass joe sixpack would make a much better president.

          Some shit’s so fucked up that only a faux-intellectual could do it.

          (or something like that)

    2. Does Sanders count as a serious candidate? I don’t think he has any shot against Clinton. Also, as much as I dislike the guy’s economic views, he’s a socialist more in the Sweden, social democracy sense, not the East German sense. I think a better example might be the mainstream respectability figures like Che Guevara and Fidel Castro have in many circles.

      1. Meh, the only difference is one has a bigger goon squad behind him.

        1. Maybe Sanders would go full Stalin if given the opportunity. Until then, I find the tendency of some people here to make out anyone left of center as a full on authoritarian communist as ridiculous as the tendency of the left to make anyone right of center out to be a theocratic totalitarian fascist. This is not to state that Sanders would not be a disaster for this country – he would be – but if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose between Sanders and Castro, there isn’t even a contest as to which is preferable (and it’s not Castro).

          1. Oh, I suppose – but if we’re being honest, the only way to fully implement Saunder’s (presumably) preferred policies is to go full Stasi.

            1. They never seem to get this.

            2. Yeah, but they mean well.

          2. The Sanders sort of socialist is more dangerous to the West. He’s an idiot that doesn’t realize that his welfare state is impossible without the wealth generated by free markets and trade. The Scandinavian countries are not socialist, truly. They are capitalist societies who amassed wealth through capitalism and which then built a large welfare state, and they have done it by rejecting many of the notions that the modern prog left here in America holds dear such as multiculturism.

            I don’t worry so much about Soviet style Marxists anymore. No, what you have now is a breed of Fabian socialist who is even dumber.

            And a certain level of authoritarianism would be necessary to achieve his ideal society regardless of whether he would ever be in a position to attempt it even as president.

            1. I agree Sanders-types are more dangerous in the sense that they could potentially conceivably take power at some point, whereas I can’t say the same for Soviet-style Marxists. But that doesn’t mean the former are actually as odious as the latter if we’re just straight up comparing the two. Sanders more closely resembles a Scandinavian social democrat than an East German or Soviet communist. Neither one is good, but the latter is orders of magnitude worse.

              1. Sanders more closely resembles a Scandinavian social democrat than an East German or Soviet communist.

                Really? How can you tell? He doesn’t seem like a Stalinist? No mustache?

                1. Marshall,

                  I’m basing it off of everything he’s known to have ever advocated for or supported. I can’t read anyone’s mind. Based on the entirety of his political career, no neutral political analyst would take issue with what I said.

                  1. I’m basing it off of everything he’s known to have ever advocated for or supported

                    I am missing the distinction. Are you claiming that you know his actions have been limited by principle and not pragmatism? Even though he is an admitted slaver and central planner since he has never specifically mentioned gulags or cattle trains he probably wouldn’t go there if given the power?

                    Sounds like you are claiming to read his mind. Either that or trust someone who openly calls themselves “socialist” to not believe in all the evil stuff once push comes to shove. I guess that makes you “neutral”.

                    1. “I am missing the distinction. Are you claiming that you know his actions have been limited by principle and not pragmatism?”

                      I’m not claiming to know anything other than that which is public knowledge. I am basing my assessment off of that, since it is all we can go on. It’s hypothetically possible that the Republican Party really would put gay people into death camps as some leftists seem to think, but I think the notion is absurd based on what I do know about the Republican Party. It’s possible Sanders is really a Stalinist at heart, but there is nothing I’m privy to that indicates that.

                      “Even though he is an admitted slaver and central planner since he has never specifically mentioned gulags or cattle trains he probably wouldn’t go there if given the power?

                      Sounds like you are claiming to read his mind. Either that or trust someone who openly calls themselves “socialist” to not believe in all the evil stuff once push comes to shove. I guess that makes you “neutral”.”

                      I think there’s plenty evil in what Sanders advocates. I don’t think it’s comparably as evil as what the USSR or East Germany did. What you seem to miss is that “socialist” is an extremely broad label these days, particularly when applied to social democrats, who traditional Soviet-style revolutionary socialists do not even consider socialists because they do not advocate total abolition of capitalism and private property, and advocate traditional Western-style democracy as a mode of governance …

                    2. … Refusing to pretend that there is no difference between all of these groups does not mean one claims to be a mind reader who thinks Sanders is totally awesome or that no one would ever implement USSR communism again. Again, there is a reason why European countries that elect social democrats (Sweden, Germany, etc.) have fared a lot better than countries where revolutionary socialists took power, and it’s not just because the former just didn’t have the power to totally implement what the latter advocated.

            2. One of the biggest differences between the ‘Nordic Model’ and the socialist model favored here and in Western Europe is that the Nordic Model is a low-regulation setup with (punitively) re-distributive taxes layered on top.

            3. “but if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose between Sanders and Castro, there isn’t even a contest as to which is preferable (and it’s not Castro).”

              I respectfully disagree. It’s a “boil the frog slowly” kind of thing. A full-out Castro would be less dangerous, because there’d be a much greater chance of outrage and outright revolt. Sanders, like Obama, would ratchet us toward full Marxism just a few more slow steps, so that when the next guy comes in and goes the next few steps, they won’t seem like too big a deal.

              1. CB,

                I think giving the presidency to a Castro is extremely risky. Even if he is stopped, it could potentially take a bloody civil war to do so.

                I don’t think the US is traveling a path to full Marxism. We seem to be headed towards an increasingly corrupt and inefficient big government, but that doesn’t necessarily entail a full-blown communist or fascist state, and I don’t think Obama, Bush, or anyone else who’s been president or a serious contender has tried to consciously push the US along to such a desired end state. If nothing else, for the foreseeable future there’s no reason for the elites to attempt such a transformation. The current system benefits them just fine as is.

                1. We’re not on a path to Stalinism, even with Bernie. We’re on a path to Greece: a bankrupt, corrupt, semi-socialism that is impure enough that there will always be a substantial fraction of the population claiming that the problem is insufficient socialism.

                  1. ^This.

                  2. We’re an increasingly “progressive” state, not a socialist state. Roughly progressivism:fascism :: democratic socialism:communism. Read the NSDAP program from the 1920’s and notice how strongly it overlaps with the Democratic party program.

          3. “Until then, I find the tendency of some people here to make out anyone left of center as a full on authoritarian communist as ridiculous as the tendency of the left to make anyone right of center out to be a theocratic totalitarian fascist.”

            “Blessed are the cynics, for they shall inherit the earth.”

          4. but if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose between Sanders and Castro, there isn’t even a contest as to which is preferable (and it’s not Castro).

            Taking for granted the restraints of even our quasi-constitutional three-branch American government, one would probably be no more or less dangerous than the other. If either were appointed as dictator, one would probably be no more or less dangerous than the other. Bernie Sanders isn’t “anyone left of center”. He chooses to self-identify as a socialist with the full knowledge of what that entails. Why not take him at his word?

            1. “but if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose between Sanders and Castro, there isn’t even a contest as to which is preferable (and it’s not Castro).”

              Oddly enough, it takes a gun to the head to make the distinction, to make one choose between the two, and to bring one of the two to power.. and, as always.. eliminate the other in the inevitable purge that always follows..

            2. Because there is a difference between identifying as a democratic socialist, as Sanders does, and identifying as a Communist (who was allied with the USSR) like Castro. Taking him at his word, Sanders’ agenda comes up far short of what Castro did in Cuba.

                1. As your own source says, Castro didn’t publicly identify as communist/socialist till after he took power. He was also a revolutionary. A much more apt comparison to Sanders would be the various social democratic/democratic socialist parties of Western Europe. As much as their policies have fucked up various countries, its blatantly obvious they didn’t all turn into the USSR or Cuba. I don’t really see why anyone feels the need to make the argument that Sanders is literally as bad as Stalin or Mao in order to make the case against him. It’s just completely unnecessary and a much weaker argument than a rational takedown of the shitty policies he actually advocates.

              1. Unfortunately, what Sanders really is is not a “democratic socialist”, but a progressive. The endpoint of progressivism isn’t communism but fascism.

          5. Sanders really tends more towards fascism than socialism. Both ideologies pretend that they are concerned with helping workers and the common man. The difference is that fascism pays lip service to private property (at least for the middle class) and advocates keeping foreign goods and workers out.

      2. he’s a socialist more in the Sweden, social democracy sense, not the East German sense.

        They’re *all* socialist in the Swedish sense, until they actually get a chance to implement ‘true socialism’ and experience pushback from all the people who prefer the status quo.

        *That’s* when things turn ugly.

        1. That’s not true though. If you go onto Socialist and Communist websites, the people there generally hate Sweden-style social democracies and Sanders-type politicians. They don’t even consider them real socialists since they don’t advocate for the total abolition of capitalism and private property. There’s a very real divide on the left between revolutionary socialists and communists, and social democrats, sometimes also known as “democratic socialists.” The latter still promote policies antithetical to liberty and prosperity, but nowhere near the extent that the former do. There is a reason Sweden isn’t the USSR or East Germany, and it’s not just because the politicians somehow didn’t have the power to implement full communism.

    3. Only one?

    4. We had that when Communism was the major international relations problem too.

      It is fucking disgusting how many people think Sanders is worth listening too. Perhaps it is a sign of just how awful Hillary is. The Democrats are pretty fucked, but god damn, can’t they come up with anyone better than the turds they have so far?

  4. Speaking of Germans, I discovered today that my moniker on here has been stolen and co-opted by a German rapper (fun fact, I initially started being referred to as Sudden while rapping in college in 2000).

    1. I initially started being referred to as Sudden while rapping in college in 2000.

      The extra “p” is a typo, right?

      1. well played, SIV. well played indeed

  5. This is CNN.

  6. OT: After a day of watching the first two seasons of blackadder and a good amount of day drinking, I’ve come to a conclusion. We need more old scholl diplomacy and less blowing shit up just to say we did something. I say we marry one of the Obama girls off to the leader of ISIS, the other to whoever runs boko haram. Chelsea Clinton to whichever Ayatollah is in power, and The bush girls to North Korea and Cuba. I don’t see aqny negative consequences from that plan at all.

    1. +1 huge tract of land

    2. The Bush girls and their socially conservative religious values may be better married off to the Islamists.

    3. “old scholl diplomacy”

      Does that mean deodorizing diplomats’ shoes?

    4. After a day of watching the first two seasons of Blackadder…”

      Someone really liked, The Queen of Spain’s Beard,” and figured out where the real secret of diplomacy lies.

      (Despite the wiki, I’d always remembered the episode as, “The Spanish Infanta’s Beard,” but w/e.)

      Oh, and regarding the main article, I think it’s the U.S., that’s forgotten the horrors of communism, given our leaders’ embrace of surveillance tech that’d make the Stasi blush, and no lack of willingness to use it domestically.

  7. I saw an interview with Bernie Sanders today where he denied every supporting gun rights, claimed that the NRA hated him and that anyone who said he’s not 100% in for gun grabbing is a god damned liar.

    So much for the stinky old socialist being good in one area.

    1. Seriously? Well, he knows his audience.

      1. Yeah. Worst he could do is piss off some Vermonters. But he’d probably win there anyway just because. Vermont politics is confusing.

  8. How Germany Forgot the Horrors of Communism

    “But those weren’t real Communists!”

    /typical college leftist

    (FWIW, I lived through the era when the college leftists went from worshipping the Soviet Union to worshipping Mao to worshipping Enver Hoxha as each of their socialist idols were proven to have feet of clay. Most of them settled on Che as he was safely dead.)

    1. No love for Honecker?

      1. “Early in the morning, Honecker arrives at his office and opens his window. He sees the sun and says: “Good morning, Comrade Sun!” The sun replies: “Good morning, Comrade Erich!” Honecker works, and then at noon he heads to the window and says: “Good day, Comrade Sun!” The sun replies: “Good day, Comrade Erich!” In the evening, Erich calls it a day, and heads once more to the window, and says: “Good evening, Comrade Sun!” The sun is silent. Honecker says again: “Good evening, Comrade Sun! What’s the matter?” The sun replies: “Fuck off, Erich, I’m in the West now”

        1. My dad told me that joke years ago, but with Khrushchev.

    2. In university, that was the biggest angle by leftists to described Western communism. That they were somehow ‘democratic’ and would never be like the Soviets.

      I went along with that but then I grew up. I no longer accept there are any differences or ‘degrees’ of communism.

      A commie is a commie whether they’re in Germany, France, Italy, Britain, Canada or the USA or anywhere else.

      1. “In university, that was the biggest angle by leftists to described Western communism. That they were somehow ‘democratic’ and would never be like the Soviets.”

        Democratic Communism is literally impossible because the redistribution of wealth is too extreme and tends to result in immiseration* of the public.. No one would ever agree to it so it has to be imposed by an authoritarian state.

        *Chrome apparently thinks ‘immiseration’ is not a word. Those programmers need to hire someone with a better vocabulary.

        1. OK.

          So we don’t have to worry until Huckabee is elected.

      2. I don’t know. I think Euro-style socialism-lite is definitely less worse than authoritarian communism. And it is popular. Democracy can do plenty horrible things too.

    1. You know who else made Greeks stand in line for essential items?

      1. me when I used to bartend?

      2. me when I used to bartend?

        1. squirrels!!!111w0)(*Q%#W)@

      3. Souvlaki vendors?

      4. Leonidas?

  9. Come on… like slavery wasn’t that bad, communism wasn’t either.

    Just joshing!

    1. Under slavery came thousands of broken hearts singing notes the planet would have never witnessed otherwise. Under communism came… well… shit… not a single fucking goddamn song, man. Nothing.

      1. Nonsense. I’m loathe to admit it, but the Soviet regime may well have spawned the greatest song of all time.

        1. I lose. The fucking Fatherland of Fucking goddamn Communists earns a single point on this one thanks to the fucking ever dedicated PM.

    2. Communism is slavery. Just ask anyone who’s escaped from North Korea.

      -jcr

    3. Just joshing!

      I thought you might be earnest.

      1. So you work for the US Attorneys Office for the Southern District of New York then?

  10. They love socialism, that is until they must face the consequences of it. By that time they are too afraid to resist, and expect others to save their lives from the oppressors.

    How Sanders can reciece the support he has, goes to show how much of a threat voting is to an individual’s liberty in itself.

    If a majority of people get together and elect an individual who’s belief system doesn’t even coincide with the constitution, they can enslave others.

    These people embrace socialism and communism even despite the warnings from those who were victims of these systems. The wars fought in the name of “freedom” where the lives of millions have been lost, have been in vain. France was saved from the socialists, only to Have governments that brought the same system back. Britain? Sold themselves for ass sexery and boot licking as their government walks all over them. They were obliterated (German air raids and bombings) during WW2 by the Nazi’s, only to embrace socialism through a gov’t that takes away their freedom at will. The British even confiscated the guns of its citizens just like the Nazi’s did to Jewish individuals.

    All of this warfare isn’t for freedom. If that were the case, then after all of this protracted conflict there would be bastions of freedom the world over.

    The only thing governments have produced is a new form of slavery, forced upon individuals through theft, coercion and violence.

    1. Most humans enjoy slavery, vamp. Don’t kid yourself. The average human birthed anywhere on any time zone anywhere in history appreciates the culture of authority. There is no NEW form of slavery. There is nothing new here, man.

      The average person is a simple beast. Food for most of its simple awkard early life, some form of education to follow, then conformity, a way to buy a hovel (job), then sex, then kids, then several years of dumbass mental bullshit trying to figure out what happened after college and all these fucking horrible fucking shitfucks you have to raise (who are mostly brilliant but life is complicated) and then after the kids have their proms these once young parents realize that life is a fucking time zipline of a joke and they get pissed and scared and divorce and fuck tons of pussies and cocks and end up remarrying to some weird fuck they picked up on a moonlit deck in Miami or they stick together and try to FUCKING get some fun times in before their atoms degrade into wheelchair stability.

      Man, life as a human is slavery to decay. Nothing new.

  11. Old East Germany was an incredibly complex incubator of vibrant underground cultures where the various oppressed lived substantial and fulfilled lives even under totalitarianism. This is sort of the strange crux of government that wields brass knuckles- humans can thrive under the most shit fucking pile-drivers of nasty government fuckwaffles with fingers on life and death levers.

    The fucked up side to this is that these same thriving humans with their basement worlds get off on their sub/counter cultures living wildly under the radar OR above the basement very normal human beings who adore structure thrive and LOVE being to instructed when they can pee or smile.

    Humans are fucking dipshits. And government can suck my cock.

    1. And government can suck my cock.

      From what I have gathered from your glorious prose, anyone and anything can suck your cock so you are not really telling us anything new here.

      1. Well, true, dear. But creation by angry stars requires us Libertarians as a horde to deposit our little thinker fishies into as many government orifices as possible.

    2. Now that our underground cultures are self exposed online, I wonder how that would work out today?

      1. This is a relevant point and I would sadly point to back to the basement, lovely friend, without the internet connection. Phones off and tossed in a cute metal box and the use of intelligent anti-surveillance activities that would draw the ire of the CIA/FBI in open societies and the ire of true assassins in countries less American.

        Humans in future oppressive states will fare far less better than what has occurred to us under past governmental horrors.

        Ayn Random has posited the bullet of fear that penetrates every Libertarian heart- which forms our collective soul.

      2. Those underground sexual subcultures were not a product of East German Stasi repression at all. That’s just the condition of being German. I highly recommend the book Voluptous Panic, which explores the extraordinarily bizarre sexual proclivities of Germans during the Weimar era.

        1. I think some of it is rooted in early, very strict toilet training…..

          1. …largely spent learning how to use those wacky shelf toilets.

            I can somewhat understand the avant garde sexuality of artists/bohemians/bums within the Weimar Republic, given that they’d survived the privations of WW1 and were going through the wringer that Versailles was doing to their economy—why not indulge every last, strange, fucked-up desire rattling around one’s head, or other body parts—but did Germans have a rep for weird, perverse sex before WW1?

            I don’t know enough about the era to answer.

  12. Humans are fucking dipshits. And government can suck my cock.

    .
    Horrorshow, my Brother.

    1. Sir, your cape is full of jesting gerbils. Never mind them, kind Late.

  13. Someone on Reddit is literally claiming that Occupy Wall Street was controlled by libertarians, and that any self-proclaimed liberal who is racist is actually a libertarian or other right-winger who is only pretending to be a liberal to gain credibility. How do these people exist?

    1. I learned years ago that any and every flavor of idiocy imaginable not only exists, but is ardently adhered to by someone, somewhere. As paranoid ravings go that one is double A ball at best.

      1. Rule 34(b)

    2. “Someone on Reddit is literally claiming that Occupy Wall Street was controlled by libertarians, and that any self-proclaimed liberal who is racist is actually a libertarian or other right-winger who is only pretending to be a liberal to gain credibility. “

      Signaling is as fundamental to life as air, food, and water. It is inconceivable that any action, by anybody isn’t social signaling on at least some level. And signaling as a leftist/progressive is most desirable, due to inherent righteousness, because.. reasons..

      The total lack of self-awareness in that position isn’t arrogance, it’s nuance..

      1. Reddit is a clever place, path. But Reddit is also a tunnel where crowds go to thrive on the exact same sandwich. Oldtime reddit was strangely beautiful until reddit attracted millennials? I sense a Soave bullet heading toward my dickhead….

    3. “Someone on Reddit is literally claiming that Occupy Wall Street was controlled by libertarians”

      Is this how they justify the Occupy Wall Street organizers telling victims of sexual assault not to go to the cops? By pretending that the people actually creating a rape culture were libertarians rather than progtard allies?

  14. Occupy Wall Street was controlled by libertarians
    .
    Unmasked, I am!
    *cue sinister organ music*

    1. The Late could cue hordes of hobos dashing hither and yon madly dashing about the streets and straits in search of mysterious massages while piles upon piles of progressives camped nearby would peer from their quasi-dirty tents abso-fucking-lutely in shock and amaze.

  15. I was thinking about this shit earlier and I’m not fucked up enough to NOT give a single shit about what the lovely readers of these particular sentences a recoiling to and what. I actually give a shit and maybe my head space echoes with these rivulets of embarrassment- I’m not sure. Full disclose. But I have a fucking messy garage I need to clean the fuck up in my woods here and.. I noticed something I am not proud of. Every single fucking horizontal surface in my garage that is about like 4″ x 3″ has a beer bottle or a tape measure on it. I discovered this just today. I was cleaning shit out and I needed a place to put my undercover Lagunitas on and I found a single spot- the floor. Empty fucking beer bottles like creepily everywhere or tape measures and I found a toad on one beer spot but man… not good. Not a respectable state for a modern man… not a single fucking place to put a goddamn beer in a TWO car garage with shit and shelves everywhere? not good- I mean well i like this fuck I live in but maybe I should fucking throw that shit away- but not the toad and tape measures. I own 44 tape measures.

      1. I juggled little beer spots until they ran out, Jug. Seriously, this shit happened- no superficial shit going on here. After months of imbibing all the little tables ended because of bottles, tape measures and a little toad.

        If Crusty Juggler Juggles things that run out is this a fucking juggle voodoo?

        I say life is a voodoo juggle. Our fucking spaces juggle shit here and yon, bro.

        1. What do you do with the tape measures?

          1. I lose them. and then find them after I buy new ones. and then I get drunk and can’t find any of them. Shit is fucked up here, man. Principles of a garage owned by this fuck.

            1. I am glad it is that simple.

    1. Use the tape measures as coasters.

      1. Use the tape measures as coasters.

        You are so gay.

        1. Says the guy who thinks nectarinis are fabulous.

          1. nectarines are fabulous, lady Dal.

              1. I once crushed a nectarine and licorice in my asshole and made nectorice juice, bro. For real, happened once. Was oddly tasty. Asshole juice making is not a common pursuit but it happens on the odd occasion.

                1. There is nothing gay about that.

                  1. It’s only gay if I let my 20-year-old cat lick my asshole- which I haven’t, yet. And I have gay tenderloins lounging in my trailer park. That I have made cupcakes with? Yeah, under a fucking blazing sun with bikers streaming down the driveway. While my hot wife was away in Chica Go fucking her little hot banker. I baked cupcakes and drank moonshine with hillbilly bikers and we sat out back around a fire under an Ohio moon listening to butt-fucking moans while John Glenn screamed about Country Roads as pot clouds settled on glistening sweating bears wriggling in the woods.

      2. Brilliant fucking advice except that tape measures come in certain sizes. I tend to buy tons of 12 footers over this fucking thing called life. And I would never offer my lovely beer base to a fucking 12-footer. Maybe a 20- footer. And I have found about 6 here and I did find one Labatt on that 20-footer. The longer the tape the more appropriate their usage for beer bottle standage. The longer the tape the greater the base is what is conveyed.

  16. I must admit, I did like having the Communists as a mortal enemy more than the terrorists. And the Communists actually had game.

    1. Marx and Engels were enemies of open society but their revelations were at least backed with deep philosophy that bordered on prophetic. ISIS is a violent empty anomaly that will give way to a contemporary muslim culture beyond us.

  17. And the Communists actually had game.

    A case could be made that the Sovietskis did in fact pose an existential threat to us.
    Unlike amorphous bloblike Terrrrurizmz.
    Our own government is the single most deadly threat to our way of life.

    1. An existential threat that has crept into all modern governments devoid of sick religious underpinnings. Marx is still alive in all modern states- including this rock we call So-Called Freedom. The modern jihadist is a violating cave man compared to the clever modern Marxist who incidentally enjoyed a connection with Hegel.

      Hegel is ultimately behind the modern state. Marx and Engels perfected the top-down spear because their culture was far more desperate than Prussia.

  18. To all you stoooooopid mammals. I just spent all day catching sea monsters in the keys. One of which I fed on, about 4 hours after it came up from the depths…suck it

    1. All hail reptilian overlord’s victory over the cruel and base forces of Nature! Hail!

      1. Actually I would’ve just invited any of my fellow comentariat over. We have a bunch of fish to eat. Have fun greasing your woodchippers or some such nonsense

    2. This particular reason commentator seems to be tripping on the adrenaline of hoisting shiny fighting fish sticks from the ocean darkness. We understand this creature to be a lizard, called MR. Lizard.

      Lizards don’t fish for ocean trophies, man. They sit at the edge of the Galapagos and flick their tongues out and snag sharks and fucking tuna on that shit, bro.

      I guess Mr Lizard is a one-of-wunderking Lizard with human legs and arms. Definitely wish mr. lizard arms and fucking awesome dinner that we all know he captured with his goddamn tongue. Fucking reason bitches and their steady stories. humans love lizard tails.

      1. Well actually cats seems to like lizard tails. Thankfully they detach easily, and re-grow. However they never look right

  19. One of the greatest injustices of the fall of the DDR is the fact that Honecker didn’t get the Mussolini treatment.

    -jcr

    1. jcr is clearly an enemy of those opposed to open society and for this I laud the eloquent motherfucker.

  20. Could progressives and commies and socialists have a serious case of OCD?

    They spend their time trying to ‘tidy’ up society by making sure everything is labeled. Every person belongs to a group and those groups are neatly cataloged. They want people to stay in their place socially unless they get permission to move.

    They want income to be leveled out so that no one is too different from anyone else. Businesses are constrained by regulations that it’s hoped will minimize disruption in the given industry.

    Individual vehicles are to be replaced by mass-transit. No unruly going just anywhere you please.

    Personal security and dispute resolution is the purview of “experts” not individuals so that nothing gets out of hand. And everybody has, theoretically, the same experience.

    And more…

    And all of this because their brains cannot handle much in the way of substantial deviation in terms of how they interact with society. Once things get a little sloppy and out of bounds or even if they think it might they get nervous and react in a negative manner. After that they create policy or practical excuses as to why certain things should not be allowed to change.

    Plausible? Or am I seeing something that ain’t there?

    1. “They spend their time trying to ‘tidy’ up society”

      You know else(left that one hanging over the plate)?…

      1. I once served my hard cock to a lover on a fucking wheat bun. I slathered my cock with whip cream and strawberry sauce and just before I fed it to my lover I walked out back in a thunderstorm and got that dick struck by lightning and I fed a verified black cock on a white dude hanging over the bun covered with a melted whipped cream. The strawberry sauce ran away into the oaks. Never found the sauce. My lover enjoyed my black cock however and I fist-bumped those dark clouds as they peeked in like fucking peeping goddamn clouds as I ejaculated a stream of little black babies right down the throat of the red head I was fucking. The little black babies crawled out her ass later that night and beat the shit out me and while I nursed my wounds I looked out the window and a bunch of little black babies crawled up a lightning bolt and I sat back and mused on this odd magik.

  21. BTW, here’s why it’s the EU’s fault that Greece is a mess, and why the EU is duty-bound to continue to be at fault.

    “No1important:
    Well you lend money to people that can’t afford to pay that’s your fault. EU is on the side of virtue, I’d laugh at the absurdity of that statement if it wasn’t so tragic.
    ———————————–
    maria cristina perry No1important ? 21 minutes ago

    “So, why should we keep on lending more money now?”
    ———————————-
    No1important maria cristina perry ? 15 minutes ago

    “Because either the EU exists as an entity or it does not and the EU created the problem and then exacerbated it, so if you wish to talk morals then there is a moral obligation to do so.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..s-all.html (in the comments)

    So the EU shouldn’t have loaned the Greeks money, but since it did, it is duty bound now to write off the debts and ‘loan’ them more.
    Beware to whom you loan money; it could well be an endless obligation.

    1. Beware of Greeks wanting gifts.

      1. It sounds better in german

        1. Everything sounds better in german. Pooping, fucking, pissing, grappling, arguing, slapping, cooking… I added holocausting but holocausting isn’t a word and I’m against holocausts but the FUCKING humor of holocausting struck my warped shit as funny but extremely inappropriate for thread tracked by ghosts. I guess. Still fucking funny for this head.

      2. Vorsicht Griechen wollen Geschenke

        1. It’s all Greek to me…

      3. Vorsicht Griechen wollen Geschenke

        1. Beware squirrels repeating scripts

          1. Stoopid floof-tailed tree-dwelling mammals

            1. Mr lizard, squirrels arent stoopid.. you, the king of catching fish sticks has to use a 22 to kill them. Squirrels arent stoopid.

              toads are adorable- but stoopid. Not squirrels.

  22. THAT’S MORE LIKE IT!

    The first episode of True Detective this season was kind of bland, but this one was a return to form. Except for that ridiculous speech from Vince Vaughn in the first 10 minutes, they stayed away from long winded diatribes about duality and actually stuck to what the show does well – prostitutes hanging out and people getting shot.

    1. Yes. Moving the plot forward at a brisk pace while adding in layers of complexity.

      The most enjoyable scene was Colin Ferrell getting gut-shot at point blank range. It’s too much to hope his character died, but at least he’ll spend several episodes languishing semiconscious in the hospital.

  23. I was tending my garden today and I was pondering time and noticed that a weed is a composite of future/present/past which enhanced my thinking. We pull a weed. A weed is in a present state connected to a past state called the root which still exists but not when it was a seed. The future of the weed exists as a state unaltered by death. I will pull the weed altering the future of the weed. I have pulled the weed from the space continuum it currently enjoys. I have altered only the future of the weed. Its past and present will not be altered because its past and present are set in time as I affect its future.

    If memory is included in the biological timeline of the weed it dies with no sustenance and still its present and past have not been altered because memory has captured its past present and past past when its future was altered.

    Is memory a part of time as much as biology and matter?

    Does the universe remember beyond us as humans. Is memory a universal string principle which is why we have memory? Without memory humans are monkeys, lions, and toads. With advanced memory we connect with time as it journeys the streams of the all living around us- from before, behind, and here now.

    Did the universe grant us memory to find it?

    1. Agile Cyborg|6.28.15 @ 10:08PM|#
      “I was tending my garden today and I was pondering time and noticed that a weed is a composite of future/present/past which enhanced my thinking.”

      You never lived on a 4th-floor walk-up. A “weed” is a luxury; if it grows in the 4th-floor walk-up, it’s a PLANT!
      If it dies, you can call it a wed.

  24. The dead have no wishes.

  25. The future is before us but why is it so short?

  26. Your photo album is always full of smiles, but life isn’t full of smiles.

  27. I cried once and forgot the tears but not the feelings.

  28. Our children and our parents. We exist between the living and dying.

  29. Can time feel pain? Can space affect us? Does reality really change or do we change reality with our living?

  30. If I am close to you why can I feel your future? Is the future like a body of liquid time that is perturbed beyond us and its ripples affect us as now?

    Is the future real or imagined? is the future so now that it is the present compressed? Why did the universe create such interesting dust as us?

    Nothing else is as interesting in space as these dust fucks called the living goners- humans.

    Planets, comets, asteroids, dark matter, rainbow dead elves, smashathon quasar parties, all that shit can kill us…

    Not as interesting as dust fucks.

    1. Good evening, A C!

      You’re apparently in rather an introspective mood.

      Your ponderings precipitated a question from this dust fuck (or “flesh bum”):

      Without memory, is there any music?

      1. Streaming, I guess..

      2. Is music a root of time? When lovely Rich heard his/her first greatest notes did Rich send a root down in his existence zipline? Your memory captured space if so. If not your memory defaulted to earth sounds like mountains creaking and cracks in the surface surging and deep wells pissing waters into various granite buttholes.

      3. music is device-centric, Sir Rich. Device can be anything that conveys with distinct similarity… winds are device.

        Modern music exists as little arrangements of code translated by software for all the dudes and dudettes listening to their fucktechs.

        music in this instance exists as Sir Rich singing a song his mother sang him as little man in diapers…

        Sir Rich is expressing the past vocals into new present vocals and the emotive nature of this exchange requires memory. Memory makes music and creates a happy Sir Rich.

  31. I drove a road in this backcountry right into my fucking brain and the reverse on this fucking car wouldn’t work so I killed myself by eating battery acid and I awoke cutting my lawn with a massive fucking headache. afterward I jacked off a huge load of cum on my wifes tits while she slept in a hammock under a huge oak tree in the backyard. and I then turned into a tiny grown man and I ran into the woods and found a turkey mother with 5 baby turkeys who were sleeping and I crawled under her wing and she clucked and I had a tiny powersaw in my pocket so i cut a hole in her side and crawled into her body and all the fucking organs heaved and pumped and shit. So this tiny human male crawled into the heart of mama turkey and fell asleep and when I awoke my eyeballs had turned into turky mother eyeballs and I actually turned into a turkey mother and I looked around and i realized my brain turned into a turkey brain and I’d ahve to raise these chicks and for real man…
    I looked around and the first FUCKING thing I did as a turkey mama was to find a TV and I broke down the french doors I paid like 3k for and led my turkey brood into the play room and put on AdventureTime for my little fucking turkeys.

    I so have an idea how to escape turkey mom world… unmentionables spread like powder in my secret closet…

    that worked- I now need to find a new mother turkey for these turkey kids cuz I just killed their mom…

    1. Tiny Powersaw in My Pocket sounds like a great album title.

  32. We don’t want to know things about us a singular creature that fucks with our pre-conceived notions.. I don’t know what. We exist a males and females and we have buttholes and faces and arms and anger and we cry and shit but certain things upset us about ourselves and that big fucking OUT THERE beyond our own eyes transmits what we feel is a weakness or a deficit or maybe a fucking positive we didn’t expect but its usually mostly negative we feel about ourselves.

    only the true ego-centric or sociopath can avoid the shit the rest of us deal with… how we awkward ourselves like a marble on a floppy maze under a hot sun. The dark barks and the glow of the morning is always the same and so is our self-conception.

    how do you view yourself? Your image in the mirror. That thing. Fuck contemporary bullshit psychology. You view yourself a certain specific way I don’t and everyone doesn’t and same for me. And the same for those viewing you and me. I view them and you differently than you and they do. And you view yourself differently than you and they do.

    We exist here in the same reality but reality is different for us all. navigating that is a fucking remarkable puzzle.

    1. how do you view yourself? Your image in the mirror. That thing.

      Had a professor who, the first day, asked us to do a little sketch of ourselves on an index card so he could remember who we were.

      To a one of us, we drew the parts in our hair as we see them in the mirror, not as others see them.

      1. we exist as we dream to be viewed, MoriahJ.

        1. Then I need to dream about Ana?s Nin more.

          1. Beauty salad…

  33. Existence is puzzling. Perception is concrete in every mind but our own but every mind questions perception.

  34. Signs of threads are collections of letters emoting energies and nuance and pyschologikal catchments… individuals in the cloak of disguise are the greatest emoticons. Expression and shades and rainbow of life occurs over time and space. Time checks the transcendent. The transcendent offer pathways through their voids. and I love to travel these voids. But i get lost underneath the confusion of pararealism… the lights twist and wane when my eyes hurt with glares of little atoms getting drunk on chemicals no scientist has recovered… fuck this spang…. fucking communist shit song playing in my brain holes man… I love music but FUCK your goddamn secret progressive/religious bullshit in all the songs…

    fucking tired of faces on TV, man. Kills my introspection. Listened to that dumb fuck Gutfeld on that shit Fox fuck literally last night and he stated he LOVES government spying on him… man, what the motherfucking fuck… I can’t even trip. I can’t even escape with a dude I thought was pseudo intelligent acting like a dumb cunt. Seriously, GUTFUCK? You, sir, a FUCKING bombastic shit-eating fuckskunk.

    “I LOVE government spying on me!!!”, Greg Gutfeld FUCKSKINK! Fucking dickwaffle fucktwit.

    FUCK YOUR GODDAMN FOXSTEW asscrap. FUCK FOX.

    Man, I swear I FUCKING HATE these SHITCLUCKS!

    Man, FUCK the goddamn federal government spying on dudes and dudettes who FUCKING LOVE AMERICA but have subversive fucked up counter cult philos.

    I hate you Gutfeld.

    1. “I can’t even trip.”

      I find *that* hard to believe.

      1. Metaphors, NOT GKC, you lovely fucking amazing pile of blazing bones.

    2. Gotta make a break, but I’ll leave you with this music. The lyrics are great.

      1. cap beefpump is insanely swell, man, yes – this a good.

  35. WHY the FUCK would a reasonably intelligent FUCK with FUCKING decent thoughts here and there amoung the fucking lettuce of SHIT that shows up yonder and hither on the FUCKING worthless SHIT called cable TV LOVE being spyed on by the FUCKING government?

    Gutfeld? Major FUCKING ass-eating fail and I’ve EATEN ass that tasted like shrimp and lobster wings …. not for Gutfeld- his ASS eating mouth has been gifted by Agile Cyborg the ass of a long-dead bigboy- Sir Massive Corpse Andre the Giant. Yes, Gutfeld earned the Agile Cyborg award of corpse ASSHOLE of Sir, Andre the Giant- our gentle amazing powerhouse of love and freedom…. an ASSHOLE that GUTFELD doesn’t even deserve to eat even as our amazing giant might be risen with drugs and gifted with a slightly gay giant nature… as a corpse…

    FUCK gutfeld

  36. Gutfeld, you suck
    like a pile of dead beavers,

    Gutfeld, you suck
    like a fucking sack of old stars

    Gutfeld, you suck
    like a hot asshole emptying her James Dean sperm

    Gutfeld, you suck
    like an old lady I worked for when I was 12 and she
    SHIT all over the old vets in her house until they
    ALL died…

    Yea, you suck like that…. the old vets fought who and what for WHAT fucking rights you enjoy?

    …………………………………being happy to be spied on?

    FUCK YOU GUTFELD!

    I do love your other nature tho… PLEASE be educated because you actually are awesome but you DO FUCK on this exact topic you FUCKING whore.

  37. I love Reasonworld. I love the minds of scribes. I love the vast cast of superminds living like hornets, sharks, wolves, and shakespeare amound this forest of massive oaks and hickory.

    Reason is the sugar of the internet. and the entire commentariant is the big bang of fucking monster zombie whorefucks.

  38. and Gutfeld sucks because he loves the spa and massage of government spying all over his little creepy life… not sure I submitted this earlier but this bitch is tossing this note on this thread…

    because GUTFELD sucks because he SUCKS CIA/FBI cock in his mouth and asshole dredging all the cum from his body and life because HE LOVES the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT spying on him….

    The federal government can suck my cock….

    You fuckers can find people who want to blow up the planet elsewhere you FUCKING fucks… I want freedom for AMERICANS…. sorry if this pisses off Washington……and all the other fucks called ISIS

  39. and Gutfeld sucks because he loves the spa and massage of government spying all over his little creepy life… not sure I submitted this earlier but this bitch is tossing this note on this thread…

    because GUTFELD sucks because he SUCKS CIA/FBI cock in his mouth and asshole dredging all the cum from his body and life because HE LOVES the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT spying on him….

    The federal government can suck my cock….

    You fuckers can find people who want to blow up the planet elsewhere you FUCKING fucks… I want freedom for AMERICANS…. sorry if this pisses off Washington……and all the other fucks called ISIS

  40. ok so I admit to petting a flower in my garden early this eve… I caressed violet colored flower and spoke to this flower and I caressed her with poems and whispered, “never be like gutfeld and love spying”….

    that is all… point posited.

    peace out… toke coming and a stone… peace.

  41. Nah,,, not done with Gutfeld…

    Not yet,

    FUCK GUTFELD…

    “I love being spied on. Spy on me more”, GREG GUTFELD.

    FUCK GUTFELD…

    Dirty little asshole visited by tiny little nasty maroon colored aliens swooping down in a deep ohio field…. I demand my army aliens visit Gutfeld ass this evening and do dirty things to his cheeks while he sleeps in his quaint FOX-paid for mathematical arrangement of numbers he lives in…

    hopefully his dreams get fucked up all my nasty little maroon voodoos…

  42. FUCK GUTFELD… peace out.. for real… FUCK GUTFLED america… catch it?

  43. OT:
    http://www.theguardian.com/wor…..k-controls

    It’s the Guardian, so a lot is laughable, but let’s pick some:
    ————————–
    “The decree ? entitled ‘Bank Holiday break’ ? was signed by Tsipras and president Prokopis Pavlopoulos.
    It cited “the extremely urgent and unforeseen need to protect the Greek financial system and the Greek economy due to the lack of liquidity caused by the Eurogroup’s decision on June 27 to refuse the extension of the loan agreement with Greece”.

    Tsipras holds post-graduate degrees, supposedly in engineering, and a run on the banks was “unforseen” by him in the wake of his attempt at brinksmanship?
    And that “unforseen” result is caused by the people who have been telling him to put up or shut up for the past month or so?
    Now we are very poorly served by that lying piece of shit in the white house, but I have a feeling he can make a come-back under the slogan that “At Least I’m Not Tsipras!”

    1. More:
      “Pensions and wages ‘unaffected’
      Pension payments will be exempt from the bank transaction restrictions, while there will be “no problem for wages paid electronically into bank accounts”, the statement said.”

      Paying INTO the bank isn’t the problem. It’s getting the money out that’s difficult.
      ——————————–
      The EU may well have decided to stop the bleeding and the Greeks may well find out what happens when other people say ‘No Mas!’.

    2. “It cited “the extremely urgent and unforeseen need to protect the Greek financial system and the Greek economy due to the lack of liquidity”

      Unforeseen by as of yet undiscovered , remote, and primitive tribes, possibly somewhere in the south Pacific. Everybody else?.. Not so much..

      “caused by the Eurogroup’s decision on June 27 to refuse the extension of the loan agreement with Greece, and its inability to live within its means, and live up to its promised obligations and responsibilities..”

      “Eurogroup’s decision on June 27 to refuse the extension of the loan agreement “

      I guess the Grecian “fuck you, what are you gonna do about it?” approach to borrowing money it never had any intentions of repaying.. turned out to be a little myopic in its vision. And that “I’ll leave the Euro, and cause contagion” card they had up their sleeve, just wasn’t in the suit of trump…

  44. NYT, take it with that salt over there:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06……html?_r=0

    “the European Central Bank said it would not expand an emergency loan program that had been propping up Greek banks for weeks.”
    […]
    “It is clearer than ever that this decision has no other goal than blackmailing the Greek people and obstructing the smooth democratic procedure of the referendum,” Mr. Tsipras said in a brief televised address.”

    Bullshit. The referendum was scheduled by lefty twit Tsipras *after* he had been told there would be no extension.
    This is “Big Lie” tactics; yes, it’s worth a Godwin because it is true. Hitler pulled this sort of crap to get the enabling act, and Lenin did so several times to establish the Bolshies as the “legitimate” representatives of Russia.
    Maybe, just MAYBE, the Euro ministers read some history prior to WWII. Maybe.

    1. I Godwined Mike Godwin. He didn’t think it was funny.

  45. KICK TURKEY OUT OF NATO NOW

    Turkey’s alleged “active support” for Syrian moderate rebels with the Free Syrian Army would involve roughly 18,000 ground forces, air support and artillery on a stretch of land spanning from Kobani to Mare, an FSA-controlled town in northwestern Syria, the Daily Beast reported, citing local media reports.

    Syrian rebels have, in some cases, participated in Kurdish offensives to push back ISIS militants in the border area with Turkey. Turkey said will support the rebels in pushing back both ISIS and Kurdish forces from the border.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/turkey-…..rt-1987157

  46. You guys are *so* busted!

    “Six Reasons Why Today’s Libertarian Movement Is Not At All Pro-Gay…

    “4. Less government = less protection. If you really want to get government out of the way, that means it should be less involved (if at all) in protecting workers against discrimination, people with HIV from untested treatments or shielding LGBT students from bullies. Amazingly, the vast majority of people espousing these views don’t happen to fall into any of these categories to explain to us why these protections are superfluous from the victim’s perspective.

    “5. Religious liberty. Here’s where the libertarian argument is most often employed to ill purpose. The argument: the government should allow people to serve whomever they want, without fear of legal restrictions. If bakers want to refuse to bake wedding cakes for gay couples, fine. What better way to protect your freedom to discriminate than by passing laws to do so. Of course, a true libertarian would argue that people should be able to do as they please, but that more law is exactly the wrong answer. But more commonly the religious liberty argument is used to unite conservative evangelicals and libertarians.”

    (from queerty.com)

    http://ow.ly/OUQlM

    1. “4. Less government = less protection.

      Alan Turing agrees!

  47. Das Leben Der Anderen (The Lives of Others) was truly spectacular. Also, the DDR museum is so good.

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