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Male Teen Has Consensual Sex with Female Teen. He Gets 25 Years as Sex Offender, Banned from Internet.

Girl admits he did nothing wrong, has asked prosecutor to drop the case.

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Computer science student Zach Anderson, 19, met a girl, 17, on the "Hot or Not?" app. He was from Elkhart, Indiana. She was 20 minutes over the border in Niles, Michigan. They hooked up. Once.

But it turned out the girl was really 14. She'd lied to Anderson and also in her profile. Now Zach sits in a Michigan jail, serving 90 days. When he gets out he will be on the Sex Offender Registry for 25 years.

Does anyone thinking treating him this way is necessary to keep kids safe? Anderson and his family certainly don't.

Neither does his supposed underage victim. The girl readily admitted that she lied about her age, and in this WSBT-TV interview her mother admitted that Anderson "didn't do anything my daughter didn't do." Everyone agrees the encounter was completely consensual. The only reason the police became involved at all is because the girl suffers from epilepsy, and when she didn't come home as quickly as expected her mom worried and called the cops for help.

In this excellent South Bend Tribune article, the mom told a reporter that she didn't just ask the judge for leniency, "we asked him to drop the case."  

But court records show that Berrien County District Court Judge Dennis Wiley (who once jailed a woman for 10 days over Christmas because she cursed while paying a traffic ticket in the county clerk's office) paid none of the participants any mind. At sentencing he told Anderson, "You went online, to use a fisherman's expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever."

Now, in addition to registering as a sex offender, Anderson will spend five years on probation, during which time he will not be allowed to live in a home where there is internet access or a smart phone. He will obviously have to change his major. And he is forbidden to talk to anyone under age 17, except his brothers.  

I spoke to Anderson's dad, Les Anderson, yesterday. He said the family is about to try to withdraw the original plea deal Zach agreed to, because, he says, "The prosecutor violated the plea."

You see, in Michigan there is a leniency provision for first-time offenders under age 21. It keeps them off the registry. As part of the plea deal, the prosecutor had agreed not to take a position pro or con on whether to apply the provision to Zach. But when it came time for sentencing, the prosecutor reminded the judge that he had denied leniency in similar cases twice before.

That struck defense lawyer Scott Grabel as not exactly neutral. "He did us a favor," says Grabel, "because now we have a basis to withdraw the plea."

I chatted with Grabel yesterday, too. He says that if the case is tried anew, he would like to hold off for another six-to-nine months, because by then it's possible that the Michigan Supreme Court will have decided to allow defendants to use she lied about her age as a component of their defense.

Right now, 20 states allow this. But in the other 30,  you can turn to your would-be hook-up and say, "'Look I want to see a passport or driver's license,' and I'd say that's pretty diligent of you," says Grabel. But if the I.D. is fake and she is actually underage, you can still be convicted of statutory rape.

Let's hope Michigan makes that change. In the meantime, Judge Wiley should realize that just because you met someone online does not mean you are a depraved fiend who deserves 25 years on the Sex Offender Registry.

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  1. something something woodchipper something something

    1. THE GARDEN OF LIBERTY MUST BE SEASONALLY MULCHED

      1. ^Winner, winner, chicken dinner!^

        1. If his conduct involved Internet trolling, then a crime was clearly committed. Actual sex obtained from trolling might even be more serious than “stirring up controversy” with twisted words. See the documentation of America’s leading criminal satire case at:

          https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com

          1. The king does not allow anyone to question him. It is amazing how draconian our leaders are of late or they were always that way and now is the first time we are seeing it. I am talking about the time span of since when the internet became available for public consumption to the present: great things have happened such as more libertarians in the government and not so great things like TPP. It seems that the statists are out to censor the internet and kill the libertarian spirit. They never will.

      2. Mmmm – sweet, sweet shoots of fresh liberty, growing out the chipped wood….

        1. The Tree of Liberty needs to be watered some more.

    2. Hey look… It’s a meme. About how right-wingers are being persecuted. I personally think that when the dust clears it probably will have something to do with Obama.

      1. Hey look… It’s a twat.

        1. It looks like somebody punched a tray of ground beef.

      2. Go ahead, tell us all about how you hate that whole free speech thing. Tell us how you hate it because the New Soviet Man will never be realized. I mean, am I right or what?

        1. I’m certainly sympathetic to the defendant in this case. I made the argument the other day to my wife, who is a criminal defense attorney, that I was uncomfortable with any age of consent law because I find it difficult to draw a line and, thus, prefer not to draw one.

          However, I think the metaphorical jury is still out as to whether this is the fault of nanny-state progressives or that this specific case is an attempt by said progressives to persecute right-wingers. Probably, but I’d like more evidence. Maybe Darrell Issa is up for the job.

          1. american socialist|6.16.15 @ 1:45PM|#
            “I’m certainly sympathetic to the defendant in this case.”

            Nobody cares, shitbag. Get lost.

            1. Hi,

              Are you a suppressed right-winger too like your sock puppet Gilmore? You haven’t changed your name yet so I don’t know whether you need a lollipop or not.

              1. Sevo has a sock? That’s new. The bluntest poster on the forums needs a sock. Or maybe you are just incredibly stupid.

          2. I’m certainly sympathetic to the defendant in this case.

            We don’t give a f*ck whether you’re sympathetic to Hitler, Stalin, or the Pope. Get lost.

          3. I think it is very easy to determine a proper age of consent; whatever age the state is willing to prosecute someone as an adult should be the age of consent. If they are culpable enough in the eyes of the law to be charged as an adult, then they should either be charged along with the older person in the criminal conspiracy or neither should be charged.

          4. You’re delusional — you don’t have a wife, it’s just an old poster of Stalin hanging in your bathroom.

          5. “I made the argument the other day to my wife, who is a criminal defense attorney, that I was uncomfortable with any age of consent law because I find it difficult to draw a line and, thus, prefer not to draw one.”

            And what did your wife say when she realized she was married to a perv?

          6. I’m certainly sympathetic to the defendant in this case.

            That’s a good position as far as I’m concerned. Maybe you’re alright after all.

      3. Re: American Stolid,

        Hey look… It’s a meme. About how right-wingers are being persecuted.

        Take your Thorazine. You’re due.

      4. I’d like to remind you that you can go fuck yourself.

      5. That teen is a Republican? Figures.

      6. this kid may be the biggest left wing douche who believes in government provided free condoms for everyone – but that does not make ‘inappropriate’ behavior illegal.

        1. The judge sounds like a hard core social conservative, no sex before marriage ass clown. Thanks god the kid didn’t use obscene language when he hooked up with the girl.

          1. Who is probably a raging hypocrite doing half the crap he claims to be against.

      7. Hey look, it’s a pathetic troll.

      8. From those not so wonderful folks that gave us feminism,marxism and other forms of big,intrusive government. Why do socialists lie? Why do they have to censor others? Why do they censor opinions they don’t like?

        1. Why do we not realize that socialism violates the NAP?

      9. What? The kid was a republican? Where do you get your stupid shit, fuckdick?

  2. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior.

    So, um…so yeah, this kid got sex offender status for making a judge sadface about kids these days.

    1. Fucking asians better get with the program!

      How come this judge gets to use sayonara and there is no instant condemnation from the Japanese American community over cultural appropriation?

      1. because they’re too busy making money and delicious food to worry about it.

    2. Apparently this judge thinks I should be in prison for some of my activities with some 23-29 year olds the past few years.

      1. Go on…starts recorder.

    3. “You went online to a bar, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with.”

      1. I’m thinking someone needs to check ol’ Judge’s internet history. Or if he really is that much of a luddite, his phone records. I’m curious to know how many escorts he’s engaged with.

    4. No retard. Hes got sex offender status for having sex with a 14 yr old.

      1. Hey retard,she lied about her age. You must live in Mass. to have a blatant misandric attitude.

  3. At sentencing he told Anderson, “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    So that’s why they’re called judges.

    1. Exactly, the fact that there is no law against such activity is beside the point, according to this retard in a robe.

      1. Why are you denigrating the retarded by comparing them to this jack ass?

        1. They all want cake

          1. yes, but the retarded know it’s a lie.

            1. If I had known she was undersized I would have thrown her back in the water.

      2. Exactly, the fact that there is no law against such activity is beside the point, according to this retard in a robe.

        This puts him perfectly in line with current judicial philosophy. The supreme court has made it perfectly clear, both in their opinions issued and during oral arguments, that the letter of the law has jack squat to do with anything. They argue about the public policy merits of various positions and then issue an edict that aligns with their politics.

        This judge’s disapproval of casual sexual relationships is no different than Justice Roberts deciding that the feds can order you to buy insurance and back-filling some rational to support his conclusion. Or any of the justices who voted against free speech in Citizens United. (I mean really, you don’t get a more clear directive than the first amendment. It brooks no exception whatsoever. It is utterly impossible to rule any restrictions on speech – particularly political speech – as constitutional in light of the wording of the first amendment)

        1. Cyto, this isn’t really accurate. At all.

          Like, Tony-class innaccurate.

          This judge is a chump, and, as Nikki said above, this judge used is bench to punish an individual engaged in an activity of which he did not approve. This is not substantially different from the Ulbricht case in which he was charged with one thing and the judge punished him more severly than strictly necessary.

          But this IS different from Roberts decision on Obamacare. His argument, as I understand it, is that judges should find any excuse they can to support a democractically installed law. Essentially, if enough idiots vote for enough politicians who are also idiots, and said politician legally passes a wildly idiotic law that does not clearly or grossly (for one meaning of the word) violate the rights of citizens, that law should be allowed to stand. But this is wildly different from “I don’t like your political views/weekend activities, so I am going to punish you because Judge Dredd is an instruction manual.”

          Does that make sense?

          1. Right. That was precisely the point. The law says whatever it says. If you are finding excuses to back into a decision that does anything other than follow the law, you are not doing it right. In point of fact, that is the reason we have a separate and equal judiciary.

            i.e. the first amendment says congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. There is no wiggle room in there at all. And yet we have justices looking for ways to allow the “the will of the people” as expressed through the legislature to abridge the freedom of the people to speak.

            The one and only job of the judiciary is to faithfully interpret the law. If you are instead bringing your own opinions and desires to the bench and then merely spouting some legalese to make it sound as if you are being all professional and legal and such, then you should not be allowed to don the robes.

            Whether those opinions are partisan politics or prudish moralizing doesn’t change the calculus. The law says whatever it says. And the higher you get, the simpler it gets. The constitution is simple enough for any high school student to understand. I don’t need two centuries of precedent to figure out that there is not one syllable in the constitution that authorizes the federal government to regulate which plants you grow in your back yard. And any judge who doesn’t rule that way is practicing motivated reasoning, not law.

            1. Okay. Fair. I still see them as different, but your explanation makese sense.

              They are different, in that Roberts found a reason for something to be allowed, while the Judges mentioned above recognized that something is ILLEGAL and gave it undue punishment. In MI, the gentleman in question DID break the law. The judge could have been more lenient, but decided NOT to be lenient. This is not substantially different than a cop giving you a ticket for a busted tail light rather than a warning.

              1. Except this is more akin to a cop splitting your head open and sending you to the hospital for a broken taillight instead of giving you a ticket for it.

    2. “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with.

      It’s “trawling”, Judge Dipshit.

      1. No, it actually is trolling. Trawling is with a net. Trolling is dragging lines behind a boat. Trawling would be if he was trying to arrange an orgy and didn’t care who came.

        1. “Trawling would be if he was trying to arrange an orgy and didn’t care who came.”
          So someone like Crusty Juggler?

        2. No, it actually is trolling.

          I don’t think it’s a fisherman’s expression any more than I think ‘My heart’s on fire.’ is a fireman’s or arsonist’s expression.

          Considering that trolls gonna troll, I suspect the matter might never be put to rest.

          1. I believe that use of “trolling” that the judge employed predates internet trolls and does come from fishing terminology. Of course, as a fisherman’s expression, it means dragging lines behind the boat.

            1. Zeb is right. It’s why the term “trolling motor” means “a small boat engine designed to make small course changes so one can stay in a position in running water” and not “the backUPS on your computer so you can be like Tupla during a power outage”.

              Most deep sea fishing is trolling, by the way.

            2. Those must’ve been some pretty morbid fisherman.

              We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think the judge was “I’m just a simple X from Y…”/”Back in my day…” social signalling.

              If he’d said, “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, catfishing…” or “You went on line, to use an electrician’s expression, to hook up…” I don’t think we’d have a disagreement.

              Not that the expressions don’t have their respective origins but, when used in reference to the internet, they aren’t a nautical or electrical terms/expressions any more than shooting fish in a barrel is a hunting or fishing expression.

              Sometimes a cigar is just an expression.

              1. Nope, long before there was an internet, we used to go trolling for girls.

      2. So that Limp Bizkit song is goes, “Rawlin’, rawlin’ rawlin’, rawlin’ – YEAH! – LET’s Rawlin’, rawlin’ rawlin’, rawlin’ – COME ON! KEEP Rawlin’, rawlin’ rawlin’, rawlin’….”

        /trawlin’ for Warty

        1. It does, if you’re from Joisee…

        2. IT’S JUST ONE OF THOSE DAYS

          1. Y’all better back the fuck up while I fuck this track up.

        1. COME ON!

          /Fred Durst

          1. Warty is a Limp Bizkit hater?

            1. Oh, you have no idea.

              1. I thought that Warty is an everything hater. And everyone.

                Is this not the case?

            2. Doesn’t every male hate it when his bizkit is limp?

      3. No, trolling is correct…..3.

        to fish for or in with a moving line, working the line up or down with a rod, as in fishing for pike, or trailing the line behind a slow-moving boat.
        Trawling is done with a net.

    3. Yeah. Sounds like he sentenced him for doing something legal that he didn’t like.

      1. “Yeah. Sounds like he sentenced him for doing something legal that he didn’t like.”

        Or quite possibly, the judge never could find anyone for a one-nighter.

        1. That didn’t demand payment after.

      2. There HAS to be a defense to this about intent. He obviously didn’t intend to sleep with a 14 year old. He intended to sleep with a 17 year old… the girl lied.

        Do you go to jail for buying oregano if the seller gives you pot you didn’t ask for or want instead?

        1. “Do you go to jail for buying oregano if the seller gives you pot you didn’t ask for or want instead?”

          If the prosecutor and judge are assholes, I don’t see why not.

          1. Then I see an entire series of sting operations that would yield a lot more drug busts.

            1. Don’t give them ideas.

        2. “Mens rea” is like so old it’s written in Latin! Time to rethink it.

          -SoCon judge dipshit or Vox writer.

      3. I have seriously considered taking a law degree so I could start a legal foundation to go after bad lawyers and judges. This prick in this case could be the poster child for bad judges. I would feel a great swell of pride in destroying this monster’s career using the same system he so flagrantly anuses.

        1. Unfortunately you wouldn’t accomplish much. The legal system, and even the bar systems are set up and run to empower and protect the evil and corrupt.

          1. The constant attacks on them would be paralyzing though. Thats how the pros got Palin to resign as governor. Lawsuit after lawsuit that she had to respond to out of her own pocket. Then they had the gall to call her a quitter.

            I say use those tactics against leftist lawyers and judges. And this guy, regardless of his politics.

        2. I think bad judges already have a poster child

        3. Flagrantly abuses? I do like flagrantly anuses though.

    4. I don’t know how I’d react if a judge said that bullshit to me. I’d doom myself to the harshest punishment possible in my response. At the very least, I think I’d turn and try walking out of the courtroom while giving him the bird.

      I’d say more, but this is a judge, and I know I can’t say certain things about such exalted people in this country. It would be totally inappropriate behavior.

      1. I will for you.

        Judge Dennis Wiley is an asshole.

        Nothing more, nothing less.

        /turns woodchipper to eleventy.

        1. Thank you, friend in the Great White North.

          And hello.

    5. As an avid fisherman, I am deeply offended as I have never had sex with any fish I have caught.

      1. So, you learned from Buddy Hackett’s mistakes?

    6. You went to the bench, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for unfortunates to screw with. That seems to be part of our culture now: arrest, indict, ruin a life or two, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever. And then the so-called judge was introduced to everyones pal, the woodchipper .

  4. Oh, this is a trap. I’m not falling for this again.

    We’re not allowed to criticize judges. Don’t do it, people!!!!!!!

    1. This is not the judge, it’s the people, the good people of Michigan who enacted through their representatives the Sex Offender Registry and support adding people like Zach Anderson to it.

      1. Sure looks like the judge had something to do with it.

        1. I’m not in a cheery mood this morning.

      2. Hey, I didn’t vote for that!

      3. Oh, the “good people” of Michigan. Yes – they did vote for this – the assholes.

      4. Yeah, the judge lets the kid off and Bill O’Reilly condemns him on national tv night after night.

  5. I agree completely. A better line of conversation would be the state of woodchipper manufacture in the United States. Or is it all done overseas nowadays?

    1. This was supposed to be a reply to Butler right above me. I’m not going all P Brooks here.

  6. I do not know about you people, but I have no problem with this man telling others what is or is not appropriate.

    1. “you gay Irish fireman.”

      1. Are we seriously going to let the guy with the police sketch face of a rapist tell us what is and is not appropriate?

    2. Judge Pr0nstache H. Woodchipper

    3. The faded edges are what makes it. Beautiful.

    4. That’s the Mustache of Final Authority.

      Don’t be a fool and challenge it.

    5. Where’s the soundtrack?

  7. There needs to be a way to sue individual judges who pull shit like this.

    1. And you think that the qualified immunity that prosecutors and police get is bad… judges are absolutely immune for what they do on the bench.

      1. How the fuck did I write your exact same comment?

      2. Pierson v. Ray. At least Justice Douglas dissented.

    2. Hooray for sovereign immunity! If you thought qualified immunity was bad…

      1. Find a way to get him off the bench. Then get him disbarred. After that I would hound him with any half ass excuse for a lawsuit I could dream up. Just so he will spend his savings on legal bills. He wants to ruin innocent people’s lives? Let’s find out how he likes it having his life ruined.

  8. “…That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    While there may not be an excuse for it, it isn’t a crime in and of itself. Did the judge actually admit that he’s giving him a harsh sentence because of the hookup culture, and not because of the whole statutory rape thing?

    1. There actually are excuses for it. They’re called hormones, puberty, evolution…

      1. And “mind your own damn business”.

        1. Yeah, this one. There doesn’t need to be an excuse and it’s not immoral.

          1. A desire not to butt into other people’s business is at least eighty percent of all human ‘wisdom’…and the other twenty percent isn’t very important.

  9. Is this or is it not a classic case of FYTW?

    1. I think it iw more a case of YFTW:

      “You Fucked, That’s Why”

      This distinguished jurist obviously got his beliefs about sex from Zachary Comstock and Thomas Bowdler.

  10. “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    The judge is just jealous. He never gets any responses from women on the internet.

    1. Have you seen his picture posted above? I’m not sure women are the issue.

      1. It’s really not fair to assume that guys with facial hair are definitely gay. The most you can say with confidence is that guys with facial hair are probably gay.

        1. Neatly trimmed facial hair or bushy mustaches, anyway.

          1. I…don’t think you need to be that specific.

            1. This makes santa claus so much more interesting.

            2. Maybe it’s where I live, but I’d say the majority of bearded people I know (including myself) are definitely not gay. And quite a few of them would probably punch you for suggesting it (definitely not me, in this case).

        2. He looks like he dances to El Bimbo at The Blue Oyster bar.

        3. Real men grow bushy beards in the winter to keep their faces warm. You’re just jealous that your wimpy genes don’t allow you to grow a manly beard.

          1. What’s “winter”?

            1. It’s the season where manly men move tons of snow to keep their driveway and assorted paths clear, with their faces kept warm by manly beards.

              1. NO SPOILERS!

              2. Uh huh. The way you said that doesn’t sound gay at all. Not one bit.

                1. Better than wrapping a queer scarf around your face like some gay faggot.

            2. The thing that’s coming but is taking fucking forever and boring me to death with lame dragon-riding and self-proclaimed walkabout kings who do fuck-all before getting killed and blind kids and naked walks of shame.

              1. Hey, that naked walk of shame wasn’t all bad…

          2. I have a beard, and the FBI knows I am not a homosexual.

    2. The judge is just jealous. He never gets any responses from women on the internet.

      Little Boys?

  11. Metaphorically speaking, I hope there is a special place in hell reserved for Judge Dennis Wiley on whom I am entitled to comment, purely as hyperbole, on a matter of public concern under my First Amendment rights to free speech and to petition the Government for redress of grievances. Cf: The Screwtape Letters, an allegorical series of essays in which C. S. Lewis used Hell as a literary device for comment upon matters of spiritual and political concern.

    1. No comment.

      1. On advice of counsel?

  12. Hey, Lenore, I think I have another case you should write about: Woman faces up to 20 years in prison and inclusion on the sex offender registry for having consensual sex with an 18 year old high school student of hers.

    And the money quote from the scumbag DA bringing the case:

    “”We cannot have a situation in a high school where sex between students and teachers occurs,” he said. “The teacher is in a position of authority; the student is subordinate. Ohio law makes any sort of sexual relationship between a teacher and a student at the school a felony ? even when the student is 18 and even if the student consents. Parents rely on teachers to educate their children, not engage in a sexual relationship with them.””

    In other words, since it is unprofessional and immoral for a teacher to have sex with a student, clearly it should also be illegal, even if the student is 18! Better make laws against everything else that’s immoral, like lying and adultery.

    1. BTW, if it should be illegal because the teacher ‘is in a position of authority’ then clearly Bill Clinton should be in jail since it’s pretty much impossible to have a greater subordination gap than that between the President of the United States and an intern.

      This guy has engaged in some seriously solid logic.

    2. Yeah, that one is fucked. Teacher should probably be fired. It is an inappropriate thing to have sex with your students. But consenting adults are consenting adults.

    3. I think the difference is there is actually a law against student teacher relationships. While I don’t really agree with the law, the DA does have legal grounds seeking that sentence. The judge in this case cited culture in his sentencing, not law.

      1. It’s a horrifying law and it’s laughable that the DA is defending it in those terms. I don’t care if he has ‘legal grounds,’ all that proves is that your legislature is run by morons and that you should use prosecutorial discretion to avoid putting a woman who hasn’t hurt anyone on the sex offender registry.

    4. The student has been exploited, even if he insists for the rest of his life that it was down with it.

      WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE 18 YEAR OLD CHILDREN???

      1. Ages are being raised to 21 for various things. Texas just set the age for concealed carry on college campuses to 21, not 18. So I wouldn’t be surprised if we started treating older “kids” the same way eventually.

        1. you’re a child until 26 according to the health insurance laws.

          something something dependent on something cradle-to-grave

    5. WTF, four counts of “sexual battery”? More proof that with criminal law the nature of the crime is always against the state, if it weren’t already obvious from case names (i.e. state vs defendant). It doesn’t matter one bit what the actual supposed victim thinks.

      and tier 3 sex offender, requiring her to register with a local sheriff every three months for the rest of her life.

      I would like to introduce these legislators, judges, prosecutors and their supporters to some woodchippers and would also like to reserve a spot in a special fiery region for them.

  13. At sentencing he told Anderson, “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    Reject society’s rules?
    EXPECT TO PAY A HEAVY TOLL.

    1. It’s called “Catch and Release”.

  14. Hey – don’t do the teen if you can’t do the time. And keep your eye on the sparrow.

    /Baretta

    1. I’m keeping my eye on the woodchippers.

    2. If I remember correctly Baretta killed his wife – who was young enough to be his granddaughter. Which in no way invalidates your point. If there was a point other than wanting us all to hear that delicious theme song in our heads the rest of the day.

  15. Yeah, mens rea has been gagged and thrown out the window in this case.

    Also, if I understand this properly:

    “Indiana: A certified copy of your birth certificate is required. If you are 17 years old you must apply for the license with both parents (or the person with legal custody). They will need to sign the consent portion of the application. If you are 16 or 15 years old, you must petition the Circuit Court via a “Permission to Marry” form. The cost for filing this petition is $120.00 even if the Judge refuses to allow the couple to marry.”

    http://marriage.about.com/cs/t…..enus_2.htm

    A 15-year old girl can marry a 17 year old kid in the state of Indiana–but the judge is probably only going to let that happen if the girl is pregnant or already has a child by the guy.

    In other words, if she had gotten pregnant and they waited until she was 15 before asking the judge, the judge would probably let them get married–but because she didn’t get pregnant and they don’t want to get married, he’s going to jail and on the sex offender list?

  16. 25 years is way off base, whether it’s the fault of the judge or the legislature.

    Of course, there *ought* to be a punishment, especially with a 14 yo victim (yes, victim). I’m just saying that 25 years on a sex offender registry doesn’t allow much opportunity for turning one’s life around, which is at least one of the points of criminal justice.

    1. turning one’s life around, which is at least one of the points of criminal justice

      That’s cute.

      1. “You f’d up, but after paying your debt to society we’ll give you a chance to put your life back together, and assuming you don’t f up again we wish you well.”

      2. Yeah, they’ll turn him around and fuck his ass. That’s the purpose of “criminal justice”, isn’t it? Creating more gays through prison to fulfill Ben Carson’s prophecies?

        Or something?

        Suddenly, I feel like Agile Cyborg…

    2. “Bitch set me up!”

      1. Back in the day, the term was “jailbait”.

        I guess that’s a politically incorrect term now, for a number of reasons.

        1. Oh, that’s still the term. There are websites dedicated to it.

          Er…so I’ve been told. By a friend. Who’s a judge…

    3. Even though that helpless innocent victim lied about her age to the slobbering predatory pedophile?

      1. I’d have to know more details, and I suppose there’s some point where the victim is so clever at forging documents, etc., that it would be unfair to claim criminal intent, but a guy who arranges random hookups ought to take some serious precautions to make sure the girl is of age.

        Of course, a mistake re age, as opposed to deliberately seeking out an underage girl, should certainly be a mitigating factor even if the guy didn’t do his full due diligence.

      2. A decade or so ago I was working at a movie theater, and I had all kinds of teenage girls hitting on me. Once in a while I’d ask them their age, and I was always shocked. There were twelve year old girls who could pass for sixteen or seventeen. Why didn’t they look like that when I was a teenager? What are they putting in the water these days?

        1. it’s not the water! it’s the chemtrails!

        2. it’s not the water! it’s the chemtrails!

          1. You can s….

            Anyhoo

        3. Yeah – this. It’s weird. Girls looked like girls when I was growing up.

          Now….scary….

        4. A few years ago my brother and I went back to our high school for a Friday night football game. I was actually really uncomfortable seeing these girls who were dressed as and could pass for 19 or 20 and knowing they were probably 14.

          1. I blame the yoga pants/leggings, whatever they are called. You look at their asses because you are human and they are right there.

            The Honorable Judge Jeff Foxworthy-face should be made aware.

        5. It’s hormones for cows, dude.

    4. Why ought there be a punishment? She represented herself as 17, there was nothing otherwise to say he knew or should have known she was lying. The girl consented, and both the girl and her parents say there should be no punishment. Who’s the victim?

      1. +1 billion

        Thank you. Saved me posting that exact point.

      2. Duh, the victim is the judge whose poor widdle sensibilities were offended. Offending people is horrible and anyone who does it must be punished. Don’t complain, it just seems to be part of our culture these days…

    5. She lied. I say he’s the victim.

      1. I haven’t though 100% where to draw the line, but there should be a lot of due diligence by the guy who arranges a hookup.

        Maybe I’d actually have to know more facts. Maybe by admitting this I’m forfeiting my credibility as an Internet commenter, but it may be I don’t know enough to dogmatize.

        1. “I haven’t though 100% where to draw the line, but there should be a lot of due diligence by the guy who arranges a hookup.”

          Due diligence? What’s he supposed to do, ask for her driver’s license?

          1. Due diligence? What’s he supposed to do, ask for her driver’s license?

            Take her out to eat at a Chinese restaurant.

            1. I saw him walkin’ through the streets of Soho in the rain.

              1. Going to Lee Fo Hooks?

        2. Why? Because he’s male?

          1. Same reason that a dude who’s passed out while some rando starts giving him a BJ is guilty of rape…

        3. Ok so I know you are a dumbass socon but did you even RTFA?

          Here, let me help you…

          “Neither does his supposed underage victim. The girl readily admitted that she lied about her age, and in this WSBT-TV interview her mother admitted that Anderson “didn’t do anything my daughter didn’t do.” Everyone agrees the encounter was completely consensual. The only reason the police became involved at all is because the girl suffers from epilepsy, and when she didn’t come home as quickly as expected her mom worried and called the cops for help.”

          Even if you think a 19 year old having sex with a willing 14 year old should be a crime you HAVE to include the mens rea aspect and your “due dilligence” argument is fucking asinine, due dilligence for a hook up should never be required to go beyond asking them their age.

        4. Dude, I bet girls melt when you walk in the room.

          1. My hair shirt turns them on, what can I say, I’m a sex machine.

            1. Then they find out it’s not a shirt! 🙂

        5. Of course, there *ought* to be a punishment, especially with a 14 yo victim (yes, victim).

          Uh-huh. You really just need more information.

          But of course she’s a victim.

      2. Many years back I had a summer fling with a girl who lied about her age. I caught her when I asked her what her Chinese Zodiac sign was (we were having lunch). Luckily that was before we did the deed. Nothing else happened.

        1. I would have literally no idea how to answer that.

          1. There’s a chart on the paper placemat that they lay down on the table where you look up your sign based upon the year you were born. She got all flustered, trying to figure out what year corresponded to the age she had said she was, instead of instantly answering based upon her actual birth year. That’s how I knew she was lying.

            1. Clever.

            2. That’s hilarious. If you’re going to lie, then you need – to pull from an expression above – to do your “due diligence.”

              1. Or have the math skills to calculate (birth year) – 3 = ?

            3. I just need to remember to carry around a Chinese restaurant placemat.

            4. Pro life tips from sarc

        2. Did you have a Chinese menu in your hand?

          1. His hair was perfect.

    6. “Of course, there *ought* to be a punishment, especially with a 14 yo victim”

      This shouldn’t be a crime without mens rea–full stop.

      Just like you shouldn’t be guilty of a crime for innocently walking off with someone else’s suitcase at the airport–just because it looked exactly like yours.

      I think the concept is integral to libertarian justice. No, you can’t be deprived of your right to liberty by the government–you have to willfully forfeit that right by willfully violating someone else’s rights. Mens rea is the means by which criminals willfully forfeit their rights during the commission of a crime–and this kid had no mens rea whatsoever. So, he did not forfeit any of his rights.

      1. As I said, maybe if I knew more facts I’d agree.

        There is, of course, such a thing as culpable ignorance, like buying some stolen goods that the seller told you “fell off a truck,” and he’s looking around nervously for the cops during the transaction.

        1. Of course, if it fell of a truck you probably know it’s not his to sell.

          1. So a guysells you some discounted suits, meets you in a warehouse, insists you keep your voice down, jumps when he hears a siren, warns you not to say where you got the suits, etc. That would, I think, require a bit of caution.

            1. Well, let’s look at what facts there are:

              “The girl readily admitted that she lied about her age, and in this WSBT-TV interview her mother admitted that Anderson “didn’t do anything my daughter didn’t do.” Everyone agrees the encounter was completely consensual.”

              “The mom told a reporter that she didn’t just ask the judge for leniency, “we asked him to drop the case.”

              “But court records show that Berrien County District Court Judge Dennis Wiley (who once jailed a woman for 10 days over Christmas because she cursed while paying a traffic ticket in the county clerk’s office) paid none of the participants any mind. At sentencing he told Anderson, “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

              The facts to me look like the judge threw this kid in jail for having sex before marriage. The fact that this kid didn’t know the girl’s age seems like it was used as evidence AGAINST him in a trial about what amounts to statutory rape.

              1. Um…

                I may have forgotten to close a tag in there somewhere.

                1. The facts to me look like the judge threw this kid in jail for having sex before marriage. The fact that this kid didn’t know the girl’s age seems like it was used as evidence AGAINST him in a trial about what amounts to statutory rape.

                  —Ken “Chiparoonie” Shultz

                  That part wasn’t really part of the article–it was mine.

                  1. That and the prosecutor lied to get him to plea. Which must be pretty common. I’m going through something similar to this with a close family member. He’s been locked up for 2.5 years without a trial yet. One of the endless delays involved the DA finally getting him to work out a plea, then refusing to accept the plea in front of the judge because the girls parents didnt want him to accept the plea. So basically mugging for the ink and court record and more mind tricks so that he’ll cop to something much worse than he did.

                    1. “He’s been locked up for 2.5 years without a trial yet.”

                      WTF?!?!?!?!?

                    2. 1,000,000 bail because a minor is involved. And while he doesn’t have the sympathy card of being 19- he’s in his 60s (yeah stupid midlife crisis)- here’s the kicker: he didn’t fuck her. Most of the charges pertain to dirty emails back and forth. That’s enough to put him in jail for the rest of his life and/or sex offender registry.

                      The worst ones are alleged oral contact, which are very contentious and which he denies vehemently. Mostly they’re being used as a cudgel to get him to plea to the heaviest charges. They just keep adding more as time goes on and haven’t actually handed over their evidence. In almost 3 years .

                      There are so many jacked up things about the case. Like detectives encouraged the girls family to book a trip to England with him and the girl present in order to get more evidence.

                      Anyway, it’s been great reading this stuff in Reason for decades and then have it actually get to see the heinous ness is real.

                    3. And by “great” I mean Hellish nut punch, of course.

      2. ^THIS^

        We’re in a legal realm where we have entirely too many criminal laws that are essentially strict liability standards. Culpability is supposed to be based on things like knowledge and intent.

    7. GKC, I am not sure I agree.

      First, the 14 year old can hardly be called a victim of the man. If an underage individual walks into a liquor store and purchases liquor, you would hardly call the purchaser a victim.

      Second, one must be able to expect a reasonable level of honesty in one’s interactions. She gave every reason to believe she was of age. She was lying. If I sell you a necklace and tell you it is gold, but is actually gold plated (which I know), it is the one being intentionally deceitful who is at fault. Fraud is a form of agression, which is the central point of the NAP.

      Now, I will say that there is cause for concern (though probably not legal action) in all this, but it lies not with the man, but with the parents of the girl. They have some responsibility to their daughter which they do not seem to be performing. Their reaction, not prosecuting the boy, surprises me, and makes me wonder if this isn’t the first time she has gotten herself some hook-up dick. I would want to know much more about the parental relationship.

      1. Look, I committed the Internet commenter crime of saying I need more information.

        Will you humiliate me further?

        1. Sorry.

          Hopefully you know I respect your comments. I’ll let you battle it out with the rest of them.

          Let me ask you this: What sort of information, if you do not yet already have it, would sway this one direction or another? What information do you need, reasonably, to indicate that she is/isn’t a victim/fraudster.

    8. Of course, there *ought* to be a punishment, especially with a 14 yo victim (yes, victim).

      No. Self ownership + puberty = conscious voluntary action.

      There could be consequences, and that would be up to the parties involved, such as the girl’s and guys’ parents, websites, etc. But not any governmental force.

      1. Exactly. I’m sure she was no virgin anyway. hell, back in high school a male friend and I were approached by two fifteen year old girls we knew. they wanted us to double team each of them. They offered to double team each of us in return. I was stunned. Such an idea had not occurred to me, and i was two years older, and a jaded porn hound by then.

        Bottom line: a lot of these ‘innocent children’ are horny predatory sluts with plenty of sex drive, kink, and experience that know EXACTLY what they’re doing. Which is probably why her folks were not all hot about it.

    9. The point of criminal “justice” is to empower moral monsters to wield arbitrary power over others.

  17. I have prepared a statement.

    http://youtu.be/Ei2WhctlRHY

  18. Hope they win at trial, fucking ridiculous. As a father of boys this kind of crap is really scary.

    1. As the father of a girl this strengthens my resolve to lock her in her room from age 12 to 30.

      (and to have a woodchipper around for any boys that come to the house. You know, to show them how to make wood chips. They make for some great mulch for the landscaping in the front yard.)

      1. Ditto. (except for the part about a wood chipper. Instead I’d demonstrate my marksmanship in my backyard shooting range. Just so they could see how cool it is.)

        1. I took my future son in law to the range more than once. He knows I’m crazy. He takes good care of his wife and daughter 🙂

          1. Was it the William Tell bit that convinced him?

      2. Ha! Indeed. Just make sure there is no computer access in said room.

        On another note, thank you Leonore for your continued pushing of the issues surrounding kid freedom. I have been talking about it for years and it is nice to see someone finally bringing it up to the greater public. I was a kid during the tail end of the free range kid days. At age 5 or 6 I was allowed to freely roam the neighborhood with a pack of semi-feral children of various ages. By nine we would take the bus a half hour away to go see Giants games and movies by ourselves. My youngest siblings had no where near this freedom and it was not just my parents that changed but cultural attitudes about kids and safety. You no longer saw those packs of young kids roaming free on bikes and such. It sucks.

    2. ^^^ So much this.

      I’m a single father of one boy and I’m scared to death for him to get old enough to notice girls.

  19. Why isn’t this duplicitous little slut up on charges for willfully fraudulent internet activity? I’m sure there is an applicable law; why hasn’t it been used as a cudgel against her?

    1. I’m sure she violated the app TOS, isn’t that a federal offsense now?

    2. Because she’s just a GIRL, and a VICTIM!

      No slut shaming, P Brooks!

    3. A one-time sexual encounter at the age of 14 does not a slut make. Give sluts a little credit.

      1. If she’s hooking up via phone apps I kind of think she’s ready to rock.

        1. Something tells me this wasn’t the first time she went trolling on the intertubez, either.

          And if a chick says on the internet “Hey, let’s hook up!”, she’s gonna get some fish in the boat.

    4. It appears that neither she nor her parents wanted the boy prosecuted, just some over-zealous cop and a DA trying to pad his “Family Values” and “Tough on Crime” resume.

    5. a few years ago in my hometown, a 16 year old guy went into a gay chat room to offer BJs. The older guys who took him up on it went to jail, as the 16 year old was a victim.

    6. Or at least be liable in civil court.

  20. I blame the Patriarchy?

    1. I blame Pat Riarchy. He’s a douche.

  21. Read the entirety of the South Bend Times article. It’s even worse than Lenore described. The prosecutorial investigators in the kid’s pre-sentence report outright lied:

    “Zach was asking victims sexual questions, asking if they were virgins, asking for them to show him pictures of their private parts and indicating to them if they don’t play his games or show him naked pictures of themselves, he will send naked pictures of them to all of his contacts,” wrote the pre-sentence investigator, Joseph Tourangeau, recommending against HYTA consideration. “This information strongly suggests that this defendant has engaged in pre-offense, predatory conduct.”

    Police later said they determined Zach Anderson was not that perpetrator.

    Tourangeau also wrote that Anderson had mental health and substance abuse problems and recommended a long list of suggested sentencing conditions “to punish the defendant, deter others from committing like offenses and for the protection of the community.”

    When Gardiner, the defense attorney, challenged the accuracy of the report on April 13, Wiley responded, “You mean what you’re saying is that Mr. Tourangeau created this out of whole cloth?”
    The investigator was summoned to the courtroom, and, according to the transcript of the hearing, Wiley postponed the sentencing “until we get additional information.”

    1. Of course, it was created out of whole cloth…

      On April 27, Tourangeau did not attend the rescheduled hearing, nor had Gardiner or Assistant Prosecutor Jerry Vigansky received a new or amended report.

      “Apparently the DOC (Department of Corrections) is not prepared to meet that challenge, so it’ll be stricken,” Wiley said, according to a video recording of the hearing. “Apparently there was some report somewhere that (the investigator) received, but apparently it has disappeared from the face of the earth, so …” The judge did not finish the thought.

      1. ….and the judge was wholly ignorant about the law.

        Gardiner recommended the judge grant his client “youthful training” status under HYTA, citing Anderson’s clean record, the fact the girl had lied about her age and even that the girl and her mother had asked for leniency. The young man had cooperated with authorities and had been engaging in weekly counseling with a pastor of Granger Community Church, where the family attends.

        Gardiner pointed out the 4th degree offense to which he pleaded guilty is not eligible for expungement should the court deny his recommendation for leniency.

        Vigansky did not recommend against using HYTA but reminded the judge of other cases just this year with the same factors in play, and that Anderson’s sentence should be similar.

        Those “two or three” other cases, Vigansky told a reporter later, also involved men between 17 and 21 who met younger girls who had lied about their ages on Hot or Not, also had sex with them and and also had previously clean records.

        “I apologize sincerely and this won’t happen again,” Anderson told the judge. “In the last couple of months, I’ve changed a lot.”

        But Wiley, without giving a reason, said, “I’m not going to place you on Holmes Youthful Training status…And Mr. Gardiner, contrary to your belief, it is an expungeable conviction..So we shall see how he does.”

        1. But the judge was apparently wrong. Michigan lawmakers recently passed legislation that, as of Jan. 12, now includes Anderson’s offense among those that are never expungeable.

          The judge did not respond to a request for comment.

          And finally, despite the prosecution’s investigators having lied on the pre-sentencing report, and despite the fact that the judge knew they’d lied…

          Then the judge, despite having thrown out the earlier pre-sentence report, read his sentencing conditions, which appeared to be the same as those recommended by the pre-sentence investigator.

          1. Jesus.

          2. He’s not even trying to appear as an impartial magistrate. Between sovereign immunity from what should be the consequences of their own actions and the power to place someone in contempt as it suits them, the judiciary has become downright un-American. And if someone calls them on their bullshit, they get an knuckle dragging enforcer in the prosecution to do their dirty work for them. There’s a special woodchipper in hell for these people.

  22. Isn’t it always ironic how laws that were put in place to protect kids always has the opposite effect? There are more kids on the sex offender registry that will ever be protected by that registry.

    There is no logical reasoning for that registry. There is no murder registry. There is no thievery registry. Those are people I and my family should be far more worried about. Those types are far more likely to re-offend than those on the sex offender registry.

    I do agree with the judge in that their behavior was abhorrent, but that’s all I’ll agree on. Abhorrent behavior isn’t illegal behavior.

    1. I think it’s just a Public Shaming list so that we can all point and stare at the deviants of society.

      1. I think it’s just a Public Shaming list so that we can all point and stare shoot the deviants of society.

        FIFY

    2. There is no murder registry. There is no thievery registry.

      It’s called Prison.

      1. The sex offender registry is for those that committed sex crimes after they are released from prison. They usually have a certain amount of days to go to (usually) their county’s sheriff’s office to register when they are released on parole or their sentence was up. Every time they move, every time they get a new car, every new year they most go back and register with the sheriff’s office. Depending on the state it can be for a certain number of years they have do that or for life.

        It’s pretty ridiculous. There is nothing like that for any other crime. It’s just a knee jerk reaction to a couple of high profile child abductions that happened in the 80s and 90s caused by the reactionaries demanding that the government “do something.”

    3. ^^ THIS ^^

      Arisuka is 100% correct, I reckon.

    4. “Those types are far more likely to re-offend than those on the sex offender registry.”

      You just made a case for a murder and thievery registry, not one against the sex offender registry. Advocates will argue that lower recidivism rates is proof that the registry and restrictions on living situations works.

      Personally I’m for the registry, but only in the cases of aggravated rape and actual child molestation. None of this gray area stuff.

      1. That’s what prison is for. If someone was so dangerous to society they wouldn’t be allowed to be released.

        The problem with a registry is that it’s a trolling net. Very few are any danger of committing another crime. And it doesn’t stop those that want to do those crimes. In fact, most of these sex crimes are committed by those that the victim knows and in most cases don’t even have a criminal record. No registry will help in that. At best it will help the 1% of 1% of cases where a serial rapist is on the lose, but again, why is that person being allowed to be released?

        It’s just a huge money pit.

  23. I’m sure I will be reading about this sometime in the future.

    A Michigan family which had dreams of camping during the summer in the great outdoors was horrified when state officials seized their six children simply because they were temporarily living in tents, Off The Grid News has learned.
    The nightmare experience for Christopher and Antonia Hernandez began May 19 when Otsego County sheriff deputies and a CPS official took their children, and ended June 10 when their children were returned after the parents won a court ruling based on the fact the mother and children are eligible for enrollment in the Tlingit Native American tribe. The federal Indian Child Welfare Act makes it more difficult for state officials to separate Native American families. Michigan has a similar state law.

  24. her mom worried and called the cops for help

    This is where wrongly thinking cops aren’t enforcers for the local government mafia fucked up her daughter’s friend’s life.

    1. Frankly, she is lucky nobody is dead. Do not call the cops unless you are willing to lose a family member to prison or death. Ever. Only call the cops when that is a risk you are willing to take.

  25. Holy fucking shit, I didn’t even see what the sex offender rules are in this case until just now. I mean:

    “”He can’t talk to anybody under the age of 17 for 5 years, except for his brothers,” explained Les. “He can’t reside in a home that has Internet or Internet access, or smart phone use, this is for five years.””

    This is just…he can’t talk to anybody under the age of 17? Given that we’ve already established people lie about their ages, how can he even know if someone is under 17 before talking to them?

    1. Guess he can’t patronize any business establishment that employs minors in any customer service capacity.

    2. Due diligence. Once convicted he has no rights and the responsibility is on him to act within the parameters of this regulation.

      Also, he can forget about getting a job just about anywhere ever again.

      1. And being considered sub-leper by neighbors who can search The List but have no idea the specifics of his case.

    3. Yeah, I thought the same thing. That’s just an impossible requirement. You could call up a pizza place for delivery and not know you’re talking to a 16-year-old kid. You could be on a road trip and stop in at a gas station that’s employing someone under 17. How would you know and how would you be able to prepare? Do call every gas station on your route ahead of time to ask who will be working there for on these dates?

      And it’s also stupid and reactionary, as even if we assume the worst about this guy, that he’s attracted to young-ish teenagers and likes to coerce sex from them (not the case, but again, worst-case scenario), why would we have to worry about him around little kids? Does anyone really believe that attraction to pubescent teenagers is the same as attraction to children? Or that consensual sex is the same thing as FORCED sex? Fucking unbelievable.

      1. He basically has to live like a hermit or Mountain Man for the rest of his life. Be better off if he had committed armed robbery.

  26. What is Michigan’s procedure for removing a judge? Is it legislative, or are judges elected there? If this monster remains on the bench, it puts the whole State ( or at least his voting district) in a bad light.

    1. Judges are elected there.

      If you click on the link about him sentencing a woman to jail for 10 days for cursing under the breath at the county clerk’s office, there’s a lot more about judicial punishment in Michigan. tl;dr it’s messed up.

  27. “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    The Judge seems to be saying that there is no excuse for using the internet to find sex?

    What kind of shit-for-brains asshole is this guy?

    1. He came of age pre-internet, but he certainly has to remember that people “hooked up” all the time forever. They’d meet at a bar, go home together – no relationship forthcoming. This was never not happening. So unless he’s just incredibly naive, I have to think his main objection is the way in which the casual sex was arranged: the internet. Since he probably just learned how to check his email a few years ago, I’m not surprised that the internet confuses and angers him.

      1. The Google and The Internets are strange and frightening creatures. Also, it’s a series of tubes.

      2. MEN AND WOMEN USED TO MEET AT APPROPRIATE AGES IN SAFE SPACES AND THEIR TWO KIDS WERE DELIVERED BY A STORK

      3. I’m not surprised that the internet confuses and angers him.

        He’s just a simple cave man, our world frightens and confuses him…

    2. I can imagine a ton of sleaze and skeletons in the closet behind this moralizing can’t. Watch him be involved in a sex scandal this time next year.

  28. I hope everyone has learned their lesson.

    1. When does this start?

      “What country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” ? Thomas Jefferson

      1. Officially it started in 1776.

  29. “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    “You damn kids with your skateboards and your music! Stay off my lawn!

    Anderson will spend five years on probation, during which time he will not be allowed to live in a home where there is internet access or a smart phone. He will obviously have to change his major. And he is forbidden to talk to anyone under age 17, except his brothers.

    Justice in the land of the free.

  30. “At sentencing he told Anderson, “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    This judge should be disbarred. One doesn’t need an “excuse” or any other sort of justification for going online to meet women for sex. We are free to do this and this judge seems like he’s injecting his own morality into this case. Nobody should be shamed or made to feel bad because they use the Internet to meet sexual partners. This is just the world we live in today. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to participate.

    1. I will bet good money this scumbag has a ton of sexual skeletons in their closet behind this moralizing facade.

  31. Skenazy is giving my nuts the old one-two knockout this week.

    1. someone’s gotta do it. it’s in the mission statement.

      1. I know – why do I even come here anymore? Between the nut-punches and the Tonies it’s like I’m some sort of masochist.

        1. I know, people at work are beginning to ask why I walk around with a bag of ice in my pants. Getting kinda awkward.

        2. Who watches over me?

  32. So Hit It and Quit It is a crime now. Luckily I’m too old for such shenanigans anymore.

    1. There is a pill or that. Get back in the game, soldier.

    2. Never before have I been so happy that women refuse to have sex with me.

  33. “What country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” ? Thomas Jefferson

    For historical purposes only.

    1. You had me until you wussed out with your disclaimer.

      1. It is a running joke around here. Has something to do with woodchippers.

          1. Yeah, something like being able to see how the wood chippers harm the egosystem of the forest.

            1. the wood chippers harm the egosystem

              Perfect.

  34. The Judge took away his academic and future professional career. I doubt that was the intention of the law. Is this a Fifth and/or Eighth Amendment case now?

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  37. 14 will get you twenty.

    Hmm, that could be a saying…

    Oh yeah, it already is. Dumba$$.

    1. Except she lied about her age.

    2. Fuck off, Tulpa.

  38. Berrien County District Court Judge Dennis Wiley (who once jailed a woman for 10 days over Christmas because she cursed while paying a traffic ticket in the county clerk’s office) paid none of the participants any mind. At sentencing he told Anderson, “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    Something something danger zone woodchipper…

  39. I hope Berrien County District Court Judge Dennis Wiley doesn’t get caught using an application or website to meet a woman (or man!) not his wife (or husband!) for sex and get caught. I’d hate to see what his fellow judges would mete out to him using his own standards.

    1. Professional Courtesy would prevail, and NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED would ensue.

    2. Actually, when I lived there, Michigan sex laws used to be super oldschool. Even down to which positions and “ports” were legal, if I remember correctly.

      1. Oh yeah, and adultery and cussing infront of women or children.

    3. he does it the old fashioned way, he goes to bars

  40. The first fallacy that I see is so society’s automatic assumption that sex is bad, evil and exploitive which springs from the leftover Victorian era notions of purity that turns out to be entirely contrary to human nature. Sex between young teens and older teens is a fact of life. So is older with young adults. It might seem icky to others especially older people but it can be rather enjoyable the two involved.
    The main concern for me is not that kids that young are expressing themselves sexually, but that the do not get pregnant or get diseases.
    Destroying a person’s life because of consensual sex is downright stupid. Furthermore it seems that the girl had no trouble consenting no matter what the State says. He seems innocent by fraud so I cannot see how,the state can possibly convict him

  41. I don’t feel sorry for him at all. If you want to take part in the hookup culture, this is just one of the long list of risks you take. Back in the day when a guy spent time to get to know a girl before jumping in the sack, learned her interests and hobbies, her beliefs and philosophy, met and spent time with her family and friends, there was no way he would be hoodwinked like this by a young teenager. Anderson was 19 and legally an adult. If he had acted like one he wouldn’t have been in this situation at all. Again, you won’t see me crying for him.

    1. You friends must have sucked.

      And I don’t believe you.

      I flat out don’t believe that “back in the day” all guys went through all that hastle. How old are you?

      First of all, there is a reason sex work is called the oldest profession. So don’t tell me this didn’t happen.

      Second of all, there are, in every generation, people willing to flount social mores for a little pussy/dick. “get to know … her beliefs and philosophy … and spent time with her family …”? There were houses where women were sent when they got pregnant outside of marriage, where they would go spend time with a “cousin.” It has always been joked that newlyweds can do in 6 months what it takes most copules to do in 9.

      So get off your “Back in my day” horse and wake up to reality.

      Now, I accept that YOUR FRIENDS didn’t put out and hook up and go trolling for some fun. But that doens’t mean NOBODY did. It just means that A) they didn’t talk about it with you, probably because you were as much of a prude then as you are now, and B) nobody was hankering for your joyride.

      Seriously. Get a grip on reality. And read some non-Joan-Cleaver-Approved history.

      1. My point was that anyone who follows that procedure is GUARANTEED not to be surprised about the true age of anyone they have sex with. Lots of people drive drunk these days, but they are not insulated them from liability if they plausibly, yet incorrectly, believed they were under the legal BAC to drive. This case is no different.

        Your “reality” permits the following

        Defendant: “Golly judge” -chuckle- -chuckle- -wink- “I had no idea she was only 14 years old!”
        Victim: “Yeah your honor” -giggle- -blush- “I lied about my age, really I did!” -giggle-
        Judge: “Well that settles it, you’re free to go!” -bangs gavel-
        Defendant: “Thanks for understanding your honor,” turns to to victim, “Let’s go babe” -wink-

        You are the one in fantasy land dude. If this kid REALLY wanted to avoid being registered as a sex offender he could have kept it in his pants. You may be totally incapable of self control when a post-pubescent 12 year old winks at you, that doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

        1. You are correct. My reality allows humans to engage in consensual sex. In your story, it seems that the girl wouldn’t have wanted to press charges (maybe she was affected by those oderous hormones we call “being in love”); they are both willingly engaging in their activities. NAP: Unviolated

          However, you are forgetting that the dude above DID have reason to believe she was of age. And they have written proof, in the form of her hotornot profile; she misreprsented herself. This is not up for debate. We know that she had represented herself as of age and did NOTHING to indicate otherwise.

          Also, why do you assume she is a victim? Just because she put out at an earlier age than you are comfortable with doesn’t make her a victim in anyone’s eyes except that of the arbitrary law. (If this were not the case, why would age of consent differ from state to state?)

          Your conflation that drunk driving and sex with a willing adult (because he had no reason to believe otherwise) doens’t sit well, either. Drunk driving puts innocent victims in potentially life-threatening danger. Consensual sexylovins does not.

          This is part of our culture. It has always been part of being human. There has never been a time, nor will there ever be, when teens aren’t escaping to the woods/classroom/dorm/tent/bed/whatever to get naked and have some sex. The idea that, back in the day, there was no sex going on between teens is, in the modern parlance, totes redik.

          1. You seem to have a problem with age of consent laws in general. Do you believe a child of any age is capable of consenting to sexual intercourse with an adult of any age? Where would you draw the line? Isn’t it appropriate for the various state legislatures, ostensibly applying the local customs, to make those decisions?

            There are other circumstances that would inform whether his belief was reasonable such as, her physical appearance, type of dress, mode of speech, where they met and/or engaged in the act. If the full factual circumstances upon which his belief were premised are listed above then in my opinion that simply isn’t enough to be reasonable. It’s called “willful ignorance.”

            In those states that permit the reasonable belief defense the burden is on the defendant to PROVE he reasonably believed his victim was older than the statutory age. I don’t think you will find any jurisdiction where “she told me she was of age” is the legal equivalent of a get out of jail free card.

            “Consensual sexylovins” with total strangers DO put otherwise innocent individuals in potentially life-threatening danger, especially women. I know the “love-em-and-leave-em” types don’t give a shit about potential repercussions to their conquests since they’re usually too busy seeking new horizons. Why wonder about STD/pregnancy risks of the “been-there-done-that” when there’s more sexylovins to be had elsewhere, right?

    2. My back in the day of being a recently former minor was in the early ’80s, and hell yeah there were guys hooking up, and with underage chicks, too.

    3. There’s also the bigger societal problem of “justice” systems that can get away with this draconian non-sense. I’ll cry for him. Even if I didn’t have the actual experience at dealing with this crap in my family. Because it might be me or my kid one day. And how about a little scope and scale before we grandly moralize on this. Shit, I’d cry for a real criminal if they were flayed alive for shoplifting a bag of Twinkies. Especially if the real impetus was not justice and restitution, but power tripping judges and prosecutors looking for some good ink for their career portfolios and personal collection of newspaper clippings.

      1. Despite the way he was characterized by the author, the judge wasn’t on a power trip. The maximum possible sentence for the offense Anderson was guilty of, presumably Criminal Sexual Conduct 4th, 750 MI ST ? 520e(1)(a), is 2 years in jail. So the sentence imposed was less than 1/8th of what the judge was authorized under the law to impose. With good time he’ll spend just over 2 months in jail. Not exactly being flayed alive, is it.

        In a sense Anderson is quite lucky he ended up in front of Judge Wiley in Michigan instead of the most lenient judge in his home state of Indiana. The applicable Indiana Code (below) has a MINIMUM sentence of 1 year in jail, the statutory “advisory” sentence being 3 years! This kid got off easy.

        IC 35-42-4-9(a) A person at least eighteen (18) years of age who, with a child at least fourteen (14) years of age but less than sixteen (16) years of age, performs or submits to sexual intercourse … commits sexual misconduct with a minor, a Level 5 felony.

        IC 35-50-2-6(b) A person who commits a Level 5 felony (for a crime committed after June 30, 2014) shall be imprisoned for a fixed term of between one (1) and six (6) years, with the advisory sentence being three (3) years.

        1. With good time he’ll spend just over 2 months in jail. Not exactly being flayed alive, is it.

          So only two months of being caged and ass-raped. Nice. Are you a prosecutor?

          /searches for his woodchipper

          1. Oh, and having any chance of a professional career destroyed. Yeah, seems fair.

          2. -start extreme sarcasm-

            Yeah, everybody in county jails is playing hide the sausage in the chocolate factory, even the guards. An overnight stay will get you anal fissures. Happens all the time in every jail.

            -end extreme sarcasm-

            SMDH does anybody here think with an organ above their waist?!

            1. Yeah, I get it: Two months in county, he can do it standing on his head. He’ll probably be put to work in the kitchen, and no bad guys will be put in his cell block.
              But what about the fact that his career is ruined before it even starts?
              Or the fact that he will be unemployable and a social pariah for the better part of his life?
              No career? Check
              No wife, kids, or friends? Check
              But that’s all ok, you see, because he only is going to be up for two months.
              Fuck off

              1. I don’t see why you think he has no possible chance of finding a job or friends etc. Most of the comments on this page are from people who think, like you, that what he did was no big deal. Maybe you think that opinion is only held by an extreme minority of the population, but I don’t. I’ll be honest, the only job I wouldn’t hire this kid for is teen counselor at a girls’ summer camp, other than that sort of position I don’t see why he shouldn’t do any other kind of work out there. The fact is he broke the law and he didn’t care that he might be breaking the law at the time. Just because you’re too much of a prick to give this kid a shot at having a job or or even just being his friend doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

                1. Cathaoir: let me try and explain since like many deluded idiots dont get it.

                  When people can google your name and town you live in and find your on home facts, they want nothing more to do with you 99/100 times.

                  when you cant pass a background check you cant get a decent job, nobody will hire you when they see a sex crime on your record, hell even winning the case wont fix this, his lifes over even if his appeal (or whatever) wins….hes branded for life.

                  he will not be able to get a job thats better then fast food/walmart level….sorry i speak from experiance here.

                  large companies will refuse to hire him because, having a male with a sex crime on his record in your employ puts them at greater risk of sexual harassment (or similar) suets from malicious people.

                  read this, and get a clue what its really like being on this list….

                  http://www.texasobserver.org/life-on-the-list/

                  im really glad you dont give a fuck about the fact this kids lifes over before it really began, and trust me it is, i was falsely accused of rape, and even after she came forward they wouldnt remove me from the list, i was told to get a lawyer, at 35k a try, and them all admitting it could take 3-5 tries…i cant afford that, specially not on the kind of jobs sex offenders can get, day labor, fast food, other minimum wage work….nobody hires us for anything worth a damn…because they have moral values you would applaud.

              2. he shouldnt have had sex with anybody before marriage if he didnt want to risk a ruined life and possibly being murdered because his name/location/picture are on homefacts.

                right Cathaoir?

        2. you’re right @Cathaoir the fact he wont be able to find meaningful work, or decent housing for 25-life is no big deal, and just what he deserves.

          the fact he will spend at least 25 years looking over his shoulder every time he leaves his home(or gets home) because, any crazy can go to homefacts and pull up not only his location, but mug shots and info they wont understand(or care about) and, speaking for myself, somebody falsely accused of rape, (whos accuser cameforward and admitted she lied years later), i can tell u this is a real threat, 3 times i had groups of rednecks try and jump me an deal out some “Street justice” to the “pervert”/”fucking rapist”/ect

          cops dont care because, you are on the Sex Offender Registry so your life is worth less then nothing…..

          its good to know that you view this as just and right….makes me glad i rarely leave my home anymore and pretty much just avoid everybody since, i and this kid deserve whatever happens to us…

    4. I also call bullshit. I’m 60, got laid for the first time in 1968, and I think we had known each other for approximately one hour. I was not unusual in my age cohort. And I doubt that things were much different in my parents’ time as well.

      If you had to go through complex procedures to dejuice your adolescent cock, don’t project your ineptitude on others.

      1. -sigh- If the responses to my post weren’t in textual form I would question the literacy of some of the authors. At no point did I ever claim that such a process was universally practiced. My point was that if Anderson HAD done so he wouldn’t have “dejuiced his cock” inside a minor. So far no one has contested that point.

        1. First off, you’re lying at nearly a Tulpa level.

          Back in the day when a guy spent time to get to know a girl before jumping in the sack, learned her interests and hobbies, her beliefs and philosophy, met and spent time with her family and friends, there was no way he would be hoodwinked like this by a young teenager.

          That wasn’t true and your sudden denial is even less true. Go fuck yourself, assuming it’s legal in your jurisdiction.

          1. Your accurate quote of my post fails to establish any lie. The quote clearly says that when ***A*** (the singular indefinite article) guy does all those things he wouldn’t be hoodwinked. That is a true statement and in no way implies that EVERY guy did so EVERY time.

            Are you claiming that if an average guy did all that he might still believe that a 14 year old was really 17? Please clarify.

            I thank you in advance for your anticipated apology for the poor attempt to sully my anonymous reputation. ROFL

            1. you need to read this Cathaoir perhaps it will help you gain some empathy rather then your antipathy for this poor stupid kid, whos life, is fucking over.
              http://www.texasobserver.org/life-on-the-list/

  42. In my view,and I admit to being what some might call “anti-establishment”, I wonder as to exactly what sort of a bullshit routine is involved here? Oh by the way, I’m also hard headed.

  43. This judge has not been laid in a very, very, very long time, if ever.

  44. this judge has no authority to decide what moral standards others must live by, he can ONLY determine whether the alledged activity is a violation of law. And had his female cohort been, say, 21 years of age, the activity would have been within the law (though decidedly immoral). Thus, the ONLY “crime” here is a stautory one, that is, a law, per se, has been “violated’ and, despite the fact that the willing, even eager, partner in that “crime” falsified a key piece of information, no crime was committed. Every crime requires three facets: means, opportunity, and INTENT, the last being completely lacking here.

    The boy would have done better to keep his overactive pecker inside his britches, so in one sense he deserves what he got. But this judge is also “out there”…… no internet? Not even in a home where he lives? Judge is sentencing his housemates to share in his punishment. What does thi sjudge expect young kids to be doing, except what they are endlessl taught is right, good, normal, healthy, and popular: sex with whomever, wherever, and however, one can. The pair were merely acting out on what their schools have taught them. If he can’t even TALK to anyone inder a certai age, what if he should marry and have children? Would he be prohibited talking to them? This judge needs his cranium examined to see if there is anything inside it.

    1. Every crime requires three facets: means, opportunity, and INTENT, the last being completely lacking here.

      Not statutory rape. Its a strict liability crime: The little chicky-poo can show you a suite of falsified identity info (birth certificate, etc.) that would pass any muster, but if she’s underage, you’re done.

    2. But this judge is also “out there”…… no internet?

      Which would mean – no smartphone, no tablet. I guess you could have a computer at home, as long as it had no wifi and no other internet connection capability.

      What an idiot. What this tells me is the judge uses the internet exclusively for porn, and doesn’t really realize there’s other stuff on the internet.

  45. This judge isn’t making rulings based on the facts and the law, but on his own personal moral beliefs. The Michigan legislature should impeach this judge.

  46. Seriously, guys:

    Let’s not make woodchipper jokes w/r/t to judges. Period.

    1. And. They. Have. Won.

    2. The general “fuck you” attitude here toward the DOJ and its hamfisted attempt to chill our speech is one of the commentariat’s finest attributes, one that I suspect even the editors secretly appreciate.

      You disappoint me, R C Bootlicker Woodchipper.

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        1. This wouldn’t be a problem if the squirrels could properly parse my handle.

    3. Let’s not make woodchipper jokes w/r/t to judges. Period.

      How about “people like him should be taken out and shot”? And then fed into the woodchipper?

      On a serious note, destroying people’s lives arbitrarily using state power is pure evil. How else can we deal with that? Just shrug and move on? Complain impotently? At what point is it actually appropriate to deal with petty tyrants in the manner of a free and independent people? Insert Jefferson quote about the Tree of Liberty here.

  47. Talk about chilling free speech. So much I’d like to say.

  48. I’m surprised the judge isn’t named Judge Turpin or Frollo.

  49. Wait, if he’s 19 and she’s 14, doesn’t that make him a pedophile? He’s more than 4 years outside her age and everything. No, he needs to be in jail with all of the other sex offenders. There’s no excuse for not knowing a girl is 14. She’s basically a child and CANNOT consent according to the law. No exceptions. The judge did the right thing.

    1. You are completely mad – I fear for our future with people like you around

  50. He should say that he self-identifies as a minor and feels that he is 14 as well. After all, in this new world that the reality-denier leftists want, doesn’t that make it so? If it does, then he has a defense and can get out of these charges.

  51. Douche bag judges home address and phone number. 1202 State ST
    Saint Joseph, MI 49085
    (269) 983-4969

  52. While I agree that the judge was ruling not on law but his own opinions on premarital sex, and that the prosecutor violated a plea deal, some things here bear examining. Many 16-17 year old girls are physically mature and look like adult women, so can easily become “jail bait”. On the other hand, while some 14 year olds are unusually developed, most 14 year olds don’t look like women yet. They have been through puberty, are starting to get a little bit of breast development, but are generally twiggy in shape. I have a daughter who is 14. It would be interesting to see a picture of the 14 year old “victim” in this case.

    1. most 14 year olds don’t look like women yet.

      You haven’t been around a lot of 14yo girls lately, have you?

      My 12yo that can pass for 16 when she rolls out of bed. Her friends are equally late-adolescent-looking. I’m counting my lucky stars she’s too lazy to make an effort with her appearance. So far.

    2. To add: Yes, I did see you have a 14yo daughter. My experience (which is not universal, granted) echoes others’ upthread about how much older younger girls can and do look. Only one of my daughters’ 12yo friends looks like a child, and that’s because she’s tiny and delicate (she’s also a raging bitch whose parents had to send her to a behavior camp over Christmas).

      My husband doesn’t/can’t/won’t see our daughter as any older than 8, and he is completely uninterested in who her friends are or what they look like, so he says/thinks the same thing about our daughter not looking that old. And he’s wrong.

      1. Or he is very carefully NOT noticing. which is what I would do. Because the last thing a wife wants to hear is “Wait, Which one is Stephie? Is she my daughters friend with the great tits, the nice ass, or that dangerous little mouth? Oh, no, she’s the one that pranced around in a string bikini, yeah, I totally remember her!”

        If I had girls I would be very careful to not get to know any of their friends until they get to college.

        1. This is good advice, I will agree, and I’ve wondered the same thing, but he finds kids in our house highly annoying so he’s more likely to randomly yell at them to get out from wherever he is in the house. If he is deliberately not noticing, then mad props to him (especially because he indulges my celebrity crushes).

          Also, Leland, please forgive me for being snippy. I had no call to do that.

  53. Lying about your age to entice or induce or trick another person into engaging in an illegal activity should make 100% of the punishment fall onto you.

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  56. Absolutely absurd on all levels. I still don’t understand how so many states still adhere to the bogus common law standard of statutory rape being statutory rape regardless of how much lying and fraud is happening on the ‘innocent’ minor’s end.

  57. Adult trolls Internet for hookup. No problem, but certainly risky. Hooks up with 14 year old. Now there is a problem. Had he bothered to get to know her, he might have learned of her age. But really that is so much bother.

    There are consequences to risky behavior. One would think the readers of Reason could understand this and let it play out.

    IMHO, neither of the actors here are “consenting adults” though the law defines him as such.

  58. Just wondering: if the guy was from Indiana and the girl was from Michigan and the judge is in Michigan. Could they prosecute her under the Mann Act?

  59. The American “justice system” is a joke … sadly it is far, far from funny.

    This kind of “justice” happens every day in the “Land of the Free.” People need to bear in mind that you do not live in a police state when everyone is arrested all the time; you live in a police state when ANYONE CAN be arrested at ANYTIME for ANY THING.

  60. The whole premise of the article ignores the obvious: This kid walked right into a statutory rape situation blindly. Today everybody seems to feel that law has no meaning if there are unintended consequences. But I can tell you that when I was in high school I understood what statutory rape was and and so did my peers. I saw a kid thrown out of high-school permanently just because a condom was found in his wallet. Do you begin to grasp the implications? The morals in our society have gone wherever they wished, but the laws have not changed with them. Neither one of these little chimps understood the bomb that they were about to set off –and THAT my friends is a failing of the family and the public education system.

  61. Clearly, from the judges reasoning, which simply shows his biases, he needs to be removed from the bench via recall. If I were the parents of this boy I’d be mounting a recall drive using the judges own words to ‘hang’ him.

  62. Old people are ruining society. They don’t understand the dynamics of technology and it’s impact on culture and people.

  63. Yes 19 and 17 year olds cannot ever fall in love or be attracted to each other. The maturity difference is huge. How brilliant our pos nation is.

  64. Yes 19 and 17 year olds cannot ever fall in love or be attracted to each other. The maturity difference is huge. How brilliant our pos nation is.

  65. Yes 19 and 17 year olds cannot ever fall in love or be attracted to each other. The maturity difference is huge. How brilliant our pos nation is.

  66. Reason.com is using a clip-art photo of a generic young man to illustrate a story about an actual teen accused, albeit wrongly, of a sex crime.
    The young model in the photo probably signed a release, but it’s just wrong to use clip art with this kind of story. Not everyone understands clip art. That model can be linked to the crime.
    Use the photo of the actual teen in question, or a line drawing. That’s the right way to illustrate a story like this.

  67. That “judge” and the prosecutor are total assclowns. They should be hung out to dry.

  68. The age of consent in Michigan is 17 which is also the general age that one can be prosecuted as an adult in Michigan, so on the surface the charges seem at least consistent with the law, however the courts may determine that younger citizens may be prosecuted as an adult and those age 14-16 are routinely charged as adults. If she was not charged as a participant in the crime then this seems to be selective prosecution.

    if it is a crime than she is also guilty, what should be her punishment? Ban her from all internet related activity to protect other young men from her.

  69. One of my mother’s sisters got married at 16, two at 15, and one at 14. My own mother waited until she was out of nursing school at 21 to get married; her sister’s were calling her an old maid. All but one of my aunts are still married to the same man and they have great families. The other’s marriage lasted 50 years and then she became a widow. What’s the point? I think the point is clear. Young people are quite capable of stable and productive sex lives. BUT! All these women I’m talking about were mature and morally stable. Today’s 14-year-old? Ha ha ha. They can barely wipe their own butts. Immature people DO NOT need to be having sex, as sex has many many consequences. But a 14-year-old can be mature, stable, working, productive, adult. The issue is the immaturity of our teens, and that IS NOT their fault. The system is failing them.

  70. This doesn’t make sense since Michigan has a Romeo and Juliet provision built into their code. Under Michigan law, under no circumstances is it legal for a child of less than 13 years old to consent to sexual intercourse. Additionally, it is illegal for any minor to have consensual sex with another if their difference in age is 5 or more years. The older of the two involved will be subjected to prosecution under Michigan’s “Criminal Sexual Conduct” statute and may face up to 2 years in prison and a fine of up to $500. back in 2011 the Michigan Legislature rethought that proposition and now has made it so?while the minor may still face criminal prosecution?he or she will no longer be required to register as a sex offender for the rest of their life.

    The law has aptly been dubbed the “Romeo and Juliet Law” because in Shakespeare’s famous play, the star-crossed lovers were neither of legal age to consent to sexual intercourse. The idea behind passing the law is that, unlike other kinds of sex offenses, like rape or sex offenses involving young children, a minor engaging in consensual sex with another minor should not necessarily be labeled as “sex offender” for the rest of their life.

    1. 14 + 5 = 19. Depending on the month born, he was either less then or more then 5 years older. The real question for me is how we can use an arbitrary number to ruin a mans life. Each of these cases need to be evaluated on their own merits, just as every time a state prosecutes underage felons and evaluation is made as to their maturity, these underage girls (and boys) need to be evaluated. Did they have the capacity to consent? Yes. No prosecution. No. Prosecute.

    2. In many more primitive societies, girls can consent to sex and marriage as soon as they are able to have children which is 12 in some cases. Our laws are the more primitive in that we deny nature and the natural intent. If girls “come of age” when they are 12 – why do we force them to wait until they are 18 to bear children? It’s really stupid how we view such natural things as perverted in this county.

  71. This doesn’t make sense since Michigan has a Romeo and Juliet provision built into their code. Under Michigan law, under no circumstances is it legal for a child of less than 13 years old to consent to sexual intercourse. Additionally, it is illegal for any minor to have consensual sex with another if their difference in age is 5 or more years. The older of the two involved will be subjected to prosecution under Michigan’s “Criminal Sexual Conduct” statute and may face up to 2 years in prison and a fine of up to $500. back in 2011 the Michigan Legislature rethought that proposition and now has made it so?while the minor may still face criminal prosecution?he or she will no longer be required to register as a sex offender for the rest of their life.

    The law has aptly been dubbed the “Romeo and Juliet Law” because in Shakespeare’s famous play, the star-crossed lovers were neither of legal age to consent to sexual intercourse. The idea behind passing the law is that, unlike other kinds of sex offenses, like rape or sex offenses involving young children, a minor engaging in consensual sex with another minor should not necessarily be labeled as “sex offender” for the rest of their life.

  72. Based on the facts available in this article, the judgement here is horrendous.

    It is highly possible, however, that a several paragraph story that takes 2 minutes to read covers all the necessary ground.

    I also suspect the judges comment about “.. a fishermen’s expression…” maybe out of context.

    When you play with matches in a dry forest and start a forest fire, you are held accountable for the forest fire, not your intention to just be playing around. I think the judge’s comments are probably meant in a vein similar to that. In other words he was telling the kid – It doesn’t really matter what your original intention was. A reasonable person would know that getting involved with someone who is hooking up with a stranger online is going to carry all kinds of risk, including the risk they will lie about their age, and you didn’t do anything to mitigate this risk, so now you are accountable.

    Liberty means being free to make choices. Liberty does not mean being free from the consequences of bad choices you make .

    1. Wow.. just wow… so he should be punished and kept out of a house with Internet or Smart phones for 5 years and on a sex registry for 25 years for taking a risk with hooking up online with someone? I don’t know why men have sex with women or date them at all at this point. It is a scary place to be a man in America these days. I fear for the backlash that this is going to create some day – maybe men will accept Sharia law with open arms so they can get their mojo back?

  73. Except fishermen trawl.

  74. Is there a “kickstarter” for legal funds? If not, there ought to be. I would love an aggregated outlet to put money into getting legal justice for all sorts of people who have been screwed by The System. I bet this kid could raise $1M. This story is just sad…

  75. Hey, you were lied to by a woman and have to pay for it for 25 years, but at least you were spared the cost of a wedding/honeymoon/engagement ring/mortgage/car payment/alimony/child support. So you’re ahead of the rest of us, really.

    1. Haha! Good point!

  76. Wow, I’m shocked, SHOCKED I say.

    Who would have known that hooking up with an anonymous person for purely sexual purposes could have a bad result….

  77. Well this article hits really close to home for me. While I was in my junior year (was 20 at the time) at the U of Michigan in the 1980s, my housemate brought 3 “women” home from the bar he worked at. He was hoping to get together with one of them. It was after 2AM and I was still awake watching a movie in the living room when they came in. Within a few minutes one of those girls was ‘snuggling’ up with me on the couch. She was actually the aggressor. So I was asking the obligatory college-get to know you questions. What year are you? “Freshman”, What are you studying? *wierd* look. I mean what is you major? “I don’t have a major… I am in highschool’ !!!

    Yikes! Me: “Uh… I got to go to bed” And I quickly went off to my room. There is no doubt in my mind that I would have likely sealed the deal so to speak if I had not asked those questions and found out her real age. I had absolutely no reason to believe that this girl who looked in her 20s and was out at a 21 year old nightclub until after 2AM in the morning was not of age. Having kind of walked in Zach’s shoes (at least I understand how he got into the situation), I must say what that judge did was/is a travesty.

  78. I still don’t understand why people tell cops what they were doing.

  79. So, when are you going to write about the subpoena, and the behavior of the trash on the bench?

    Who is the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York who is prosecuting that subpoena? Who’s on first? The same prosecutors who prosecuted the Silk Road case and were still litigants in front of the Judge in the Southern District of New York who are maybe conspiring to violate the First Amendment…

    I mean what is that, but a bribe? Do all Judges take bribes?

    Is the (appointed) Judge in the instant case so aggressive in alleged morality because he’s a closeted pedo or some such?

    That tends to be the way things go: the louder and more extreme one screams about the SINS OF OTHERS the more suspicious one should become about what the speaker is deflecting from himself.

  80. A 19 year old boy gets punished so severely for having sex with a girl who has the mind to lie about her age. On the flip side, 30-40 year old women caught banging 12,13,14 year old boys get parole and maybe have to register for a year or so before getting her job back as a middle school teacher

    1. yup, thats gynocenterism for you, read this if you really want a clue what this kids life will be like(if not far worse)
      http://www.texasobserver.org/life-on-the-list/

  81. If anyone feels this judge made the right decision, feel free to declare yourself a flag-sucking idiot and go let John Walsh fuck you in the ass.

  82. This judge has to go. It seems he has a bad case of projectionism when it comes to his misandry. What happened to this young man is inexcusable and that judge should be tossed out of office. If you are tired of the anti-male BS: http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/

    I’ll post this on my blog as well.

  83. “…I [am] uncomfortable with any age of consent law…”
    Prior to and just after puberty is a bright red line you better be comfortable with! Make that the age of consent, which is a less bright line, no doubt.
    <<br / Judge:
    “You went online, to use a fisherman’s expression, trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever.”

    Judge seems to be upset the guy had sex, period. In other words, he was envious of the defendant and punished him for that. Watch him, he’s probably into much younger individuals. i am serious. No healthy man is not interested in sex, and if the “victim” had been “legal” this is none of the judge’s business WHATSOEVER.
    <<br / The young man is going to have this thrown out in a higher court.

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  85. It’s all part of the war on the white male. Shame on that judge! He needs to be tarred and feathered and dumped in a river.

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  87. Last weekend, the long-awaited mid-century modern credenza my husband and I had purchased arrived at our home. But it wasn’t carried in by two heavy lifters in white gloves. Rather, a 60-some year old woman stood at the door and pointed us to the 35-foot moving truck that contained the seven-foot-long, solid teak beauty. “I have a bad shoulder”, she explained as she led us toward the truck. Uh oh.???? ????? ???? ???????

  88. My Advice to this kid, if you cant get the plea vacated, your best option is suicide, i speak from personal experience, i was falsely accused of rape, proved she was ying more then a few times, was still railroaded into a plea, and have since learned that, even had i wont the case in court, i would never have the ability to get a decent job (they all background check now) or any housing that did background checks, also you will not get a loan from a bank or credit union to buy a home if you have been convicted of a sex crime….

    your life is over, women will google your name and the town you are in see your on that list…

    same with people in general, over the years, its happened to me hundreds of times…..and i was only on the list for 15 years….
    seriously, not only will you suffer, but your family and those friends who dont abandon you will suffer watching your life suck and knowing they cant fix it or even make it better…

    once this shit happens to a guy….its over….i wish i had known back then….i would have ended up and avoided all the suffering…..

    now days, i have accepted that im “forever alone” since no sane decent woman is going to want to be with a former registered sex offender…

    http://www.texasobserver.org/life-on-the-list/

    ^^ read that…hes one of the lucky ones…

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