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McKinney: Of Pool Parties, Police Brutality, and Institutional Racism

We should demand better behavior from the people who are paid to keep us safe.

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Was the police response to the pool party incident in McKinney, Texas, a clear case of law enforcement overreacting—once again—to a trivial dispute, or a necessary response to the antics of delinquent teenagers? Did racial animus play a role, as one bystander claims, or were the black kids the ones who were misbehaving, as a neighborhood resident claims?

The video evidence and eyewitness testimony suggests the former (although the latter may possess miniscule kernel of truth). Police responded to a fight that had broken out between a girl and a mother. A video of the encounter establishes that the fight did indeed take place, but it only involved a couple people—not the large swath of teenagers who were later detained by officers.  When the officers arrived, they treated all the minority teenagers as suspects and ignored the white kids, according to 15-year-old Brandon Brooks (who is white). When the kids tried to run, Corporal Eric Casebolt "flipped out," according to Brooks:

"[Casebolt] trips and drops his flashlight. He's going crazy, putting people in handcuffs, tackling people, slinging them on the ground."

So, why wasn't Brooks handcuffed?

"I was one of the only white people in the area when that was happening. You can see in part of the video where he tells us to sit down, and he kinda like skips over me and tells all my African-American friends to go sit down."

Things got really scary for the teen behind the lens as he watched his 14-year-old friend being thrown to the ground.

"I think she was quote unquote running her mouth, and she has freedom of speech and that was very uncalled for him to throw her to the ground," Brooks said. "When he pulled his gun my heart dropped. As soon as he pulled out his gun, I thought he was going to shoot that kid. That was very scary."

Casebolt shouldn't have pulled out his gun—nothing good could have come from that. He also handled the Brooks' friend, a bikini-clad girl, far too roughly. As Rep. Justin Amash wrote on Twitter:

Nobody is above the law. #McKinney officer's actions can't be justified. He should be charged w/ assault & battery.

Some conservatives, unfortunately, are falling over themselves to defend the police—the one kind of public employee who can do no wrong in the eyes of all-too many people on the right. Media Matters compiled a disheartening list of Fox News personalities raising baseless hypotheticals that could (maybe) justify Casebolt's rash actions:

Fox's Tom Shillue: Video "Didn't Shock Me At All" Because The Teen "Was Intimidating The Cop." On the June 8 edition of Fox News' The Five, co-host Tom Shillue claimed the video "didn't shock me at all" because "the cops are breaking up a party, these guys are great." Later Shillue justified the officer pulling a gun on the unarmed teen claiming "he was intimidating the cop" by running in his direction. [Fox News, The Five,6/8/15]

Fox Business' Lou Dobbs: "What In The World Are Police, We Have To Ask, Supposed To Do When People Who Don't Respect The Law … Refuse To Obey?" Fox Business host Lou Dobbs defended the officer, asking, "what in the world" are police supposed to do when people "refuse to obey" their orders? [Fox Business, Lou Dobbs Tonight6/8/15]

Fox's Brit Hume On Brutal Responses By Police: "If You Obey The Police It Doesn't Usually Happen."On the June 8 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, senior political analyst Brit Hume claimed that arrests and actions like those taken by the officer in McKinney, Texas, don't happen "if you obey the police." [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor6/8/15]

Fox's Kelly: "The Girl Was No Saint Either." Fox News host Megyn Kelly responded to the brutal video showing a teen girl being manhandled by a Texas police officer by commenting that "the girl was no saint either. He had told her to leave, and she continued to linger. And when the cop tells you to leave, get out." She followed this by saying "I'm not defending his actions, let me make that clear." [Fox News, The Kelly File,6/8/15]

Sean Hannity Claims That Officer In Texas Was Justified For Pulling A Gun Because Teens Could Have Come Up And "Hit Them With A Shank In The Back." On the June 8 edition of Premiere Radio Networks'The Sean Hannity Show, Fox News host Sean Hannity defended the Texas police officer, saying there is an environment of children not respecting the police, which President Obama has contributed to. [Premiere Radio Networks, The Sean Hannity Show6/8/15]

Maybe children, particularly minority children, don't respect the police because of encounters like this one. Maybe the fact that police officers make arbitrary and discriminatory demands of them—and react violently when they don't comply—poisons their ability to respect authority. While not each and every instance of police misbehavior can be chalked up to racism, it certainly seems like the presumption that black kids were doing something wrong was at play here.

I'm not claiming that the teenagers behaved perfectly. Of course they didn't. They're teenagers. Should they have complied with the demands the officers made, regardless of how ridiculous they were? Sure. But whose actions were more reprehensible: the black teenagers who responded imperfectly to unfair demands, or the cop who lost his cool, abused a teenage girl, and introduced a gun to the situation? Perhaps we should expect better behavior from the kids, but we should demand better behavior from the people who are paid to keep us safe.

And so should conservatives.

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306 responses to “McKinney: Of Pool Parties, Police Brutality, and Institutional Racism

  1. Clearly, Fox News is the problem.

    1. It does seem to be a problem.

      He had told her to leave, and she continued to linger. And when the cop tells you to leave, get out.” She followed this by saying “I’m not defending his actions, let me make that clear.”

      Reflexive authority cock-sucking, followed by “I’m not defending his actions” is a problem.

      1. This reminds me of Don Cherry on “Hockey Night in Canada” when Detroy-it had the so-called “Russian Five”. Always start out his criticism with, “Now, I’m not knockin’ the Russians, BUT….”

      2. It reads almost exactly like the leftists after the Geller shooting saying “well, I’m not defending the people who tried to murder her, however, wasn’t she being ever so slightly provocative?”

        1. “Now, I’m not knockin’ the Russians, but….”

        2. I’m not saying MSNBC and ABC aren’t problems, too, but Fox News is the execrable subject at hand.

          1. I know. My point was that they sound almost exactly the same and the subjects on which they pull this bullshit are all that really differ.

          2. I have to say Lou Dobbs has good point, when people break the law, what do you expect the cops to do? ask politely? then sternly? then shouting? then what? they are called law ENFORCEMENT officers for a reason and that is what gives them authority.

            1. What law were the children breaking?

            2. That depends on what law they are breaking. Cops let people get away with breaking laws every day. And rightly so. Response should be proportional to the potential harm being done. And the force they use should never be one Newton more than what is absolutely necessary.

              1. Now I have a new understanding of Louie C.K.’s “Pig Newton”

          3. What does any news network have to do with anything, and what does “execrable” mean?

        3. I don’t really see the problem with people (and it was hardly only leftists) who think Geller is an unpleasant and deliberately provocative person mentioning it when they talk about the shooting incident. It’s just an observation. I suppose the fact that cops might beat the shit out of you if you disobey their unlawful orders is just an observation too, but the FOX bimbo didn’t really make that point very well if that is what she was saying. As long as you make it clear that you are absolutely for free speech, or against police using unnecessary force or whatever, make whatever side comments you want.

          1. I don’t really see the problem with people (and it was hardly only leftists) who think Geller is an unpleasant and deliberately provocative person mentioning it when they talk about the shooting incident. It’s just an observation.

            No, it isn’t. It would be a mere observation if stated in isolation, but when appended to a discussion as to the possible motivations for the shooting, it is speaker implicature. And, quite frankly, it is naive to suggest otherwise.

            1. I’m sorry, conversational implicature, not speaker.

            2. Yes, I see what you mean. Sometimes I’m deliberately naive. But I still think it is wrong simply to assume that by saying something about someone like Geller in that context, a person is necessarily making some excuse for the shooters or implying that they are less than fully culpable for their actions. I want to disassociate myself from someone like Geller as much as I do from the idiots who think Islam is the religion of peace and Muslims can’t help themselves because meanie white people keep saying bad things.

              And isn’t appended to a discussion of the possible motivations of the shooters just where such an observation belongs? I accept your point that it is more than just an observation. But it is a fairly relevant one as long as you aren’t using it to excuse the violence.

              1. I can’t imaging bringing up the view of Geller as deliberately provocative in this context without it being some sort of qualification as to the level of moral outrage one should feel toward the shooting or attempted assassination.

                Even if I agreed with the characterization of Geller as a terrible human being, it shouldn’t matter if she led a march through Dearborn like Nazis in Skokie. I shouldn’t have to attach a boilerplate “and, yes, Geller’s discourse is terribly unhelpful” when stating my opinion about the two attempts on her life for people to know that I’m not bigoted toward Muslims.

                1. I can’t imaging bringing up the view of Geller as deliberately provocative in this context without it being some sort of qualification as to the level of moral outrage one should feel toward the shooting or attempted assassination.

                  Huh. I can. Using violence to stop [removed]or any peaceful, consensual activity) is always wrong, period. So anything else I say about the victim of such violence cannot be in any way an excuse or lack of moral outrage about it. To me it seems like that can actually strengthen the point. I don’t think that Geller is entirely horrible person and I support the “draw Mohammed” demonstrations, so let’s take Illinois Nazis as the example. Everyone can agree that they are bad people. And I woudl say that although they are terrible people, I am still entirely opposed to any government action to silence them or any private violence intended to do the same. I think that makes an even stronger point than simply saying that using violence to stop free expression is wrong. It says that using violence to stop hugely offensive free expression is just as wrong.

                  1. I agree with you in the situation you describe above. Saying Geller is an asshole but she shouldn’t be in attacked does strengthen one’s position concerning free speech. My comments were in the context of Irish’s original post:

                    “well, I’m not defending the people who tried to murder her, however, wasn’t she being ever so slightly provocative?”

                    Which is very different than “I don’t agree with what you have to say, but I’ll die defending your right to say it.” That’s all.

                2. And I certainly agree that you shouldn’t feel obliged to attach the “but she is a bad person” boilerplate. But you should be able to without people accusing you of being soft on the violent assholes.

            3. Execrable? Implicature? Are you tying to use long, rarely-used words to try to seem superior, or…?

              1. Or…I’m just using a term that you don’t know to accurately describe something?

              2. You’re new here so FYI: Heroic Mullato is a linguist. A cunning one, too.

  2. “Raaaacist!!”

    1. Well, that’s a blast from the past.

  3. Should they have complied with the demands the officers made, regardless of how ridiculous they were? Sure.

    America!

    1. You know what, Hugh? If you don’t like it, you can get out. Oh wait, not really. Another country has to take you first. And then if you have any money the US government will demand a chunk of it as an exit fee. And if you don’t get out-get out by renouncing your citizenship, they’ll just tax you wherever you are.

      America!

      1. Yep.

        If you want to reform the system the same way I do, then feel free to stay with me.

        However, if you want to reform the system in a way I don’t agree with, then you’re a spoiled child who takes all the wonders of our marvelous society for granted, and you should probably go live out in the mountains, where you belong. Or Somalia. One of those two.

  4. Yeah. When a teenage girl wearing only a bikini is told to leave, she should just leave. What could possibly go wrong?

  5. Left media is ablaze with articles condemning the police response to a pool party at a McKinney, Texas, subdivision.

    Not just left, Breitbart.

    Now a video is emerging showing why police were called to the scene to begin with ? violence.

    Nothing some more unnecessary violence can’t cure.

    1. “You know, violence never solved anything!”

      “It solved World War Two….”

      1. But of course, if your first instinct isn’t to jump directly to violence at the slightest provocation, you’re Neville fucking Chamberlain.

    2. One of the combatants in that prior fight incident video does look like the girl which Sergeant Tackleberry threw to the ground a bit (bathing suit seemed the same). Was he responding to and specifically looking to detain that girl for her role in the fight? Within the context of the original video, it doesn’t look like he was going for her at first but rather detained her after she mouthed off to him, but it does beg the question a bit.

      1. it does beg the question

        UGH!

      2. I don’t that was her. The girl in the fight seemed to have an all pink bikini from what I could tell, this girl’s had a lot of yellow.

  6. Corporal Eric Casebolt!

    Holy shit. I woke up in the Police-Academy-Movie-verse.

    1. Where’s Tackleberry when you need him?

      Oh right, he’s dead.

      1. Corporal Casebolt may have unconventional means…but he gets RESULTS!

        1. I am currently making very realistic police siren sounds… WITH JUST MY MOUTH.

          1. [helicopter noises]

            1. Did I miss anything? I was out sliding across the hood of my car over and over.

  7. A little over twenty years ago I watched the cops break up a party in Boulder. Some college kids had set up their instruments in a half-pipe in the driveway, and were putting on a pretty good show. It was peaceful, but I admit it was noisy and quite a crowd had gathered. Then a white van pulls up and a half a dozen cops spill out. Back then I still naively believed that cops are there to serve and protect, so I didn’t run being that I hadn’t done anything wrong. The first thing the cops did was attack the band. I stood there in shock as the cops proceeded to beat up the performers and smash their instruments. I’ll never forget the blood on the side of that white van as one of the cops repeatedly smashed the handcuffed guitarist’s face into it. Then one of the cops ran up to me and threatened to arrest me for loitering if I didn’t move along. Seeing what they were doing to the band, and the clear implication that I would be treated the same way if I didn’t move along, I moved along. Oh, and everyone was white.

    1. Seeing what they were doing to the band, and the clear implication that I would be treated the same way if I didn’t move along, I moved along.

      And this is what makes you infinitely smarter than many of the incidents we see that result in these awful stories. Though I sometimes wonder if people are at the point where they’ll mouth off to cops in hopes of getting a little rough treatment so they can litigate and make some money.

      1. Absent a compelling video, that “make a little money” idea is a pipe dream. You’ll be lucky to just get the “resisting arrest” charges dropped. Unlucky and you’ll be convicted on assaulting an officer.

    2. Oh, and everyone was white.

      Too bad. If you’d all been black (I know, black people in Boulder – like that could ever happen) it would have made the news cycle and maybe people would have given a shit.

    3. Back then I still naively believed that cops are there to serve and protect

      I can’t understand when people say this sort of thing. I’ve never thought of the cops as anything but people to avoid. Even as a kid, cops were scary to me.

    4. You just made a million conservative cum on their collective faces.

  8. But a commenter at Althouse assured me these were ‘feral blacks’ who were ‘striking poses’ that could have been a ‘prelude to pulling a gun.’

    When feral blacks strike scary poses, whatever is a noble, white, all-American police officer to do?

    Here’s the full Althouse comment again in all its glory:

    “First of all, the cop clearly tripped.

    Later, when he pulled his gun (and re-holstered once the threat was gone), it was in response to seeing a threatening act in his peripheral vision. Black dude clearly struck a pose that could have been prelude to pulling a gun.

    Get the fuck off the cop’s backs, you despicable SJWs.

    This was clearly another incident of feral Blacks, resisting lawful police commands, that actually should have been put down much harder than it was.

    Thanks, half-Black President, for the climate you have created. I hope it’s gonna be a long fucking time before we make that mistake again.”

    THANKS OBAMA

    1. THANKS OBAMA HALF-BLACK PRESIDENT!

      Let’s keep with the theme here.

      1. Wait, is it half or feral or Kenyan or secret Muslim? I can’t keep up.

        1. Throw in communist and you’ve got a quifecta going on sexfecta there. Or is that a hexfecta?

          1. Quintilla?

      2. I prefer to refer to him as our first half-white president. Or “dicknuts”.

    2. you despicable SJWs

      This is what happens when you read too much ESB, Irish. They could smell it on you.

      1. Speaking of which, she has an article up about how aroused Pope Francis makes her. I will share that wonderful piece in PM links if you’re around.

        1. Thanks for the trigger warning.

        2. *retching*

        3. Isn’t confession supposed to be contained to the booth?

      2. People can smell the English Standard Bible? Glad I read The Message.

        1. +1 Eugene Petersen

      3. I wouldn’t mind having people be able to smell ESB on me. You know what I mean. You do, right? Right?

        1. Dirty Sanchez?

        2. Yes. We do.

          1. What’s he mean? I don’t understand as he’s being far too subtle.

            1. Subtle and understated is the new normal around these parts.

              1. We have to be subtle, we’re being watched. So this is the new, super-subtle me.

            2. Just google “Cleveland steamer” and you’ll get the gist.

              1. Not a chance.

    3. You’re not fooling me, that’s someone pretending to be the worst stereotype of a Fox News viewer.

    4. Black dude clearly struck a pose that could have been prelude to pulling a gun.

      I’m guessing pretty much anything other than facedown with hands above their head could be considered striking “a pose that could have been prelude to pulling a gun” in this clown’s book.

    5. They might have been preparing for some wilding of some sort.

  9. Should they have complied with the demands the officers made, regardless of how ridiculous they were?

    Not necessarily.

    1. “You must cut down the largest tree in the forest WITH…….A HERRING!!!”

      “Now, that’s just silly!”

        1. Nee!

          1. Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z’nourrwringmm!

            1. See, I don’t understand what this girl is talking about. ‘Tis only a flesh wound…

    2. Should they have complied with the demands the officers made, regardless of how ridiculous they were?

      Should your daughter comply with the demands of the school principal, regardless of how ridiculous they are?

      1. Should your son comply with the demands of your priest, regardless of how ridiculous they are?

        1. Or of his new scoutmaster?

    3. A simple “please leave the area while we do our police business” or even the less restrained, “get the fuck away from here” doesn’t appear to be anything approaching a ridiculous demand. Even after she doth protested too much and he told her to sit down, still doesn’t strike me as something approaching a ridiculous demand.

      1. But he goes and basically retrieves her as she is walking away.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

  10. Maybe children, particularly minority children, don’t respect the police because of encounters like this one. Maybe the fact that police officers make arbitrary and discriminatory demands of them?and react violently when they don’t comply?poisons their ability to respect authority.

    And maybe no one has ever given them a single legitimate reason to respect the police. Because there isn’t one.

    1. The beatings will continue until morale improves you respect mah authoritah!

    2. And maybe respect for authority is not inherently a virtue and we should stop behaving as if authority confers any morality on the people who possess it.

      1. And maybe respect for authority is not inherently a virtue and we should stop behaving as if authority confers any morality on the people who possessclaim it.

        FIFY.

    3. There is a difference between power and authority. Cops have the power to do pretty much whatever they want, since they face zero consequences for their actions. But power is not authority.

      For example in most states cops have the authority to demand identification if they have reasonable suspicion to believe you’ve committed a crime, and arrest you if you fail to comply. Lacking reasonable suspicion they still have the power to arrest you for failure to comply, but not authority.

      I really wish people would stop conflating power with authority.

      1. Authority is imaginary. Power is real.

  11. the people who are paid to keep us safe.

    That’s what the pigs are, huh.

    1. I’m sure by “us” Robby means the well-off and the governing class to which he apparently belongs.

      1. Don’t blame Rico. You know the saying: “can’t read, can’t write, Michigan.”

        1. Did yoU see their receivers coach try to stRt a Twitter war with the Buckeyes coach? Then have it follows up by the fifth rated WR in the country committing to Ohio State?

          TSUN is a fucking parody of a school.

          1. Are you talking about fooseball?

            1. If we can’t talk about the war, then what else are we going to talk about?

          2. And yet I see a ton of CFB writers claiming that Michigan will be great this year. Their reasoning seems to be: 1) Harbaugh; 2) ???; 3) Profit. What a joke. I hope they miss a bowl game.

      2. He’s talking about the people who work security at cocktail parties.

    2. It’s just a figure of speech.

  12. Just look at the way she was dressed. The mouthy little slut had it coming.
    That poor, poor cop. He’ll need years of therapy and a big fat disability pension.

  13. “a clear case of law enforcement overreacting?once again?to a trivial dispute, or a necessary response to the antics of delinquent teenagers? Did racial animus play a role, as one bystander claims, or were the black kids the ones who were misbehaving, as a neighborhood resident claims?”

    Why can’t all these things be true. It sounds like some of the kids got out of control and refused to leave private property when asked to do so. They were given the opportunity to walk away and they chose not to. That’s never going to end well. I think the cop was probably not too far out of line (although obviously an asshole with a Napoleon complex) until he decided to act like some common thug and go after the girl for dissing him. He had to know he was being video recorded and yet he still decided to get on top of a little bikini clad girl with his knees in her back and just stay there for an extended period of time. I mean it’s like he was trying to get fired. Who is that stupid?

    1. I mean it’s like he was trying to get fired figured he could do whatever he wanted, and nothing else would happen.

      ftfy

      1. yup. sad but true.

    2. Precisely this. Everyone seems to think that if one side is the bad guys, then the other side must be the good guys, not taking into account the possibility (probability) that both sides consist of flaming assholes.

  14. feral Blacks, resisting lawful police commands

    Man, this country went to shit when they repealed the Fugitive Slave Act.

    1. It was replaced by the WOD.

  15. I’m wondering where we went wrong, here.

    Why is it that not obeying a police officer’s command is a potential death sentence? And I’m not going for the hyperbole angle here, but these comments seem to suggest it is. “What IS the officer supposed to do if the kids don’t obey?”

    Well, what if the officer pulls his gun and the kids STILL don’t obey?

    If we go back to a time when police officers were “respected”, I’m drawn to a brief period of time in South California history, the Z-Boys of Dogtown period, to be specific. This was a time when the youth were breaking into the backyards of absent California homeowners and setting up massive skateboarding parties in the drought-ravaged empty swimming pools. A lookout would be placed on a rooftop who would yell “COPS!’ and the entire throng would scatter into the surrounding streets, running from cops.

    No one ever discussed the cops drawing their weapons. Now, I’m sure that a few who were caught may have been roughed up in the back of a cruiser- which brings along a tangental point about the possible value of low-level corruption staving off serious, life-ruining criminal penalties.

    1. Well, what if the officer pulls his gun and the kids STILL don’t obey?

      He kills them and then continues to chase people around. In his report he will put that he feared for his life, and gave immediate medical attention to the victims. The video will contradict this, but his superiors will still defend his actions. And nothing else happens.

      1. You forgot the additional training…and THEN nothing else happens.

    2. “What IS the officer supposed to do if the kids don’t obey?”

      Ask Eric Garner

    3. Why is it that not obeying a police officer’s command is a potential death sentence? And I’m not going for the hyperbole angle here, but these comments seem to suggest it is. “What IS the officer supposed to do if the kids don’t obey?”

      Well, what if the officer pulls his gun and the kids STILL don’t obey?

      Not obeying the state is absolutely a potential death sentence. Because what are they going to do if you keep not obeying? They will absolutely lock you in a cage or kill you. It’s what the state does. Every law is just a threat of death for not complying.

      1. It’s an abject lesson in the one, true power of the state, violence.

        1. Everything the government does is based upon a real threat of organized violence. No exceptions. That’s all they’ve got. Nothing else. There’s nothing nice, warm, or fuzzy about government. I wish more people understood this.

          1. One of my favorite quotes:

            Government is force. Its only purpose is to prohibit or compel; coercion is its core competence and violence its tool.

      2. Exactly. They have to, or their power means nothing. Like I said below, it’s incentives. They are directly incentivized to kill people who disobey them. Because if they don’t, they will lose their power.

        What they are supposed to do is utterly irrelevant.

        1. They have to or their power is nothing.

    4. Where “we” went wrong is that so many people idiotically pay attention to what people are supposed to do as opposed to what they are incentivized to do. This disconnect is at the heart of so much bullshit.

      If you take people and say “these people enforce the rules”, you’re worried about what they are supposed to do. But what are they incentivized to do? In the case of police–across the board–the incentives are horrible. If they do what they are supposed to do, it’s a mostly thankless job dealing with some real lowlifes and occasional actual danger (theoretically). If they do what they are supposed to do, they don’t get to take advantage of the power that comes with being the enforcers of rules.

      But what are they incentivized to do? Well, they’re incentivized to take advantage of that power. They’re incentivized to protect each other to protect their superior status. They’re incentivized to do all the horrible things we constantly see them doing.

      “Supposed to” doesn’t mean shit. And until people start looking at incentives rather than intentions, these problems will never go away.

      1. Are you incentivized or supposed to defile my mom?

        1. Both, Paul. Both.

        2. In Epi’s case, both.

        3. It can be both.

          1. Consensus!

      2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J…..ureaucracy

        Iron Law of Bureaucracy

        …in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representatives who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions.

        1. Or, even more to the point:

          http://www.tinyrevolution.com/…..01705.html

          Iron Law of Institutions. The Iron Law of Institutions is: the people who control institutions care first and foremost about their power within the institution rather than the power of the institution itself. Thus, they would rather the institution “fail” while they remain in power within the institution than for the institution to “succeed” if that requires them to lose power within the institution.

      3. I’ll tell you where this went wrong… when Sgt. Tackleberry got so hopped up he forgot what the mission was and started running around screaming at everyone.

        If the mission was to investigate a disturbance, the first officer had the right idea. Calmly talk to a group of kids and find out what was going on. When the truth is uncovered that nothing of consequence has happened, tell everyone to behave and run along.

        If the mission was to remove people who have been asked to leave a private function, the correct course was to talk to the responsible adult and find out who needed to be escorted off the property. Quietly do so and be on your way.

        This is pretty standard police duty. Whether kids or not, there’s tons of “disturbance at party” calls. Normally you wouldn’t show up running around like a crazy person, screaming at everyone to get on the ground. This level of anger injected into the situation created “contempt of cop” out of whole cloth. Officer one was having no trouble eliciting the information he needed. Suddenly everything get switched to a game of whack-a-mole as Tackleberry tries to put everyone who looks like a black male teen on the ground. Enough in-your-face profanity will make anyone defiant and belligerent. Particularly if you haven’t done anything wrong and aren’t sure why he would have any reason to suspect you have.

        1. So I’ll give you this thought experiment. What if, instead of playing freeze tag our intrepid officer had played a proper supporting role for the first guy. Calmly call over everyone he wants to speak with in a group and explain that they just want to find out what happened. Then ask the others to please move away so that he can keep everyone sequestered.

          They pretty much all seemed to want to just get out of there by explaining that they were simply at a birthday party and have done no wrong. Giving them the option of being heard on this would have solved everyone’s problem in one fell swoop.

          Instead he decided to prove that he had the bigger johnson and run around barking profane orders at everyone. I would have wanted out of there myself. He gave no confidence at all that he would serve justice. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    5. I’ll tell my cop-intro story again. I grew up in an incorporated town in northern CA. Lily white, tolerated a Chinese family who ran a restaurant. Biggest problems were probably seniors dragging kegs across the high school lawn. Around 1960, when I was ten years old, I was walking to the library with my five year old brother. Next to the library was a deputy’s substation, probably only used at end of shift; it was almost always empty.

      Just as we passed it and got to the library, a deputy’s car pulled up. I thought it quite natural to turn around, stick my tongue out and thumbs in my ears and waggle my fingers. The proper response would have been a laugh, or even the same thing back. Instead, we got a ranting lecture on how hard a deputy’s life was, how they deserved respect, etc. Went on for seemingly forever, which was probably only 30 seconds, but I have never forgotten the lesson that cops are power hungry assholes.

      1. My brother’s “cop hating” moment was when he was in elementary school, not too long after Columbine. He was drawing a picture of a spaceship or something, and the “school resource officer” walked up to him, tore the paper out of his notebook, ripped it up, and threw it away. He said that the picture he was drawing “looked like a gun”.

        I remember in early elementary school, the school cops were pretty nice to the kids. They’d mostly just show up to give the occasional speech about traffic safety or not taking car rides from strangers. One of them even let us hold a live round of ammo one time. But they really turned into the SS after Columbine.

    6. The gun wasn’t drawn for simply failure to comply (though it often is, in this case it wasn’t). The failure to comply was endemic among something around half the kids there for the first four minutes of the video. The gun got drawn when, after throwing the girl to the ground and hearing her screaming bloody murder, a couple of the boys kinda ran up behind Sergeant Aggro’s field of vision (which in the context of the video seems pretty transparently to help the girl out as opposed to instigate a fight with the cop). While that definitely seems a bit of an overreaction, it’s disingenuous to claim that he was brandishing his service weapon willy-nilly in an effort to enforce compliance.

      Today’s climate with law enforcement and minorities is tense on both sides. Citizens have a rightful fear of police excess and the rhetoric that has developed out of that fear now has police a bit more on edge in dealings with citizens, especially black ones and especially when its a small group of cops responding to large gatherings. The cops are supposed to be the professionals, so some measure of knowing how to de-escalate a situation is so desperately needed. There were two other cops in that video who appeared to have that necessary skill, but Casebolt clearly was found wanting in that department.

      1. The gun was drawn because he worked himself into a panic. His erratic and threatening behaviour got everyone so agitated that when he finally assaults the girl for mouthing off (particularly when he shoves her face into the ground and yells at her to that effect) the other teens teeter on the notion of jumping in to protect her.

        That’s when he pulls the gun. Because of a scenario that he generated out of whole cloth. He had every opportunity to deflect events from that path and made the wrong choice at every turn. Parsing things out to two second intervals to Dunphy up a “totality of circumstances” “continuum of force” argument is lame. He blew it three steps earlier when he couldn’t just walk away after he had irrationally yelled at he group of girls for the third time. Everything that happens next is because he has completely lost control and is acting out of anger, not as a police officer.

    7. “What IS the officer supposed to do if the kids don’t obey?”

      Why does a police officer think he needs obedience to do his job?

      1. He doesn’t. That is why he has a gun.

  16. “Sean Hannity Claims That Officer In Texas Was Justified For Pulling A Gun Because Teens Could Have Come Up And “Hit Them With A Shank In The Back.”

    I saw ‘Dawn of the Planet of the Apes’ recently.

    In one scene, after much conniving and fighting on both sides, the king of the apes bemoans that apes are more like people than he realized.
    I suggest it is the other way around.

    1. Most people are only a few steps out of the cave and some are still up in the trees.

    2. Hannity never disappoints.

      1. He literally never disappoints.

    3. I suggest it is the other way around.

      RAYCISS!!1!

      /Tony

    4. btw, shank is a verb

      the word hannity was looking for was shiv

  17. Maybe children, particularly minority children, don’t respect the police because of encounters like this one. Maybe the fact that police officers make arbitrary and discriminatory demands of them?and react violently when they don’t comply?poisons their ability to respect authority.

    Having lived long enough and personally witnessed youthful lack of respect for the cops long before many here were even born, I’m going to cautiously say that this isn’t anything new, and very probably would exist absent a behavioral precursor from the police.

    Police just need to learn to rise above it, and remember they’re dealing with teenagers.

    1. How old are you exactly? Older than Sevo?

      1. Old enough to remember from first hand experience, police behavior in the 70s.

      2. One of my friends is 33 years old. He was born in nineteen eighty fucking two.

        *head in hands*

        …eighty two…

        By 1982, women had already established they were going to ignore me.

        1. If it makes you feel better, women established they were going to ignore me by 82 as well. That I was born in ’84 didn’t complicate this much.

    2. I don’t disagree that some level of disrespect of police will always exist among young people, but what makes you think police encounters like this are anything new either? Particularly if we’re talking about the black community.

  18. “what in the world” are police supposed to do when people “refuse to obey” their orders?

    I must have missed the amendment to the Constitution that made police officers our superior officers, and thus we owe them fealty and obedience at all times. Here I thought cops only had the authority to detain citizens when we’re breaking the law. Silly me.

    1. Here I thought cops only had the authority to detain citizens when we’re breaking the law.

      That is a true statement. They absolutely do not have the authority to use force on people who refuse to obey unlawful orders. However the do have the power to do anything they want, because they face no consequences for acting outside their authority.

      1. *they*

      2. Yes. And dipshits like Lou Dobbs give them cover, as they either don’t understand the difference between power and authority, or are simply fascists who don’t care.

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    1. Wouldn’t that $80 be better spent feeding hungry children

        1. Does it come in any other colors?

          1. No, but it gets free lifetime Bear care at the Vermont Teddy Bear Hospital. That’s not a joke. It’s part of the ad:

            Receives free universal Bear Care at our Teddy Bear Hospital.

          2. Do you come with the car?

            1. Oh, you !

            2. No, but for $40, FoE can help you come in the car.

        2. “Quiet, you!”

          Have you considered a career in federal law enforcement?

      1. After all, you don’t necessarily need a choice of 80 kinds of teddy bear when children are hungry in this country. (I love that statement. It’s so infinitely flexible. You don’t necessarily need X kinds of Y when $IRRELEVANT_PROBLEM.)

    2. Also available as part of a mere $360 donation to Free Speech TV!

      Those dollars would be better spent exchanged into Bolivars to wipe your ass with.

    3. Wait, Vermont Teddy Bear has how many products? Who needs that much choice in teddy bears?

      (I mean, besides my daughter, who has approximately 8.7 million of them)

    4. Also: What in the ever living fuck, Vermont Teddy Bear?

      http://www.vermontteddybear.co…..-bear.aspx

    5. From the page:
      A passionate, blunt speaker; he’ll quickly tell you, “I am not a circus Bear, I am not a dancing Bear, I am not a toy Bear.”

      Yup, that’s Bernie. Because you only need one choice.

      This Bear is safe for all ages. Please remove any outfit or accessories before giving this Bear to a child younger than 12 years of age.

      Twelve? In their world a fifth-grader can’t handle a doll with clothes, glasses, and a campaign pin?

      1. You need to remember 5th graders raised by Bernie Sanders supporters are probably not the sharpest tools in the shed.

      2. “Twelve? In their world a fifth-grader can’t handle a doll with clothes, glasses, and a campaign pin?”

        In their defense, Bernie was pressing them for something in the range of 67.

      3. Even money there is a product liability lawsuit somewhere in the past.

    6. Why would they miss the obvious chance and not name it Bearnie Sanders? Jesus, people!

  20. I just ran into some of these protestors at Wal-Mart. They were in line buying things like sun screen, insect repellant, etc., talking about their “organizing strategy” for a march. McKinney is like 10 min. up the highway from me.

    They were not attractive.

    1. Probably not local either.

      I stopped in at the Pizza Hut in Jena, La once on the way to the woods. My family is from that area and I have timber land there.

      I was still sitting in my jeep in the parking lot when I noticed a purple-haired girl with lots of body piercings coming out of the door. My immediate thoughts; what the fuck is that doing in Jena? She is not from around here.

      Then it hit me. Oh yeah, the Jena six protest is today.

      I got the hell out of town as fast as I could.

      1. To your point about them not being local, there were two RVs parked next to eachother in the lot, one flying a Che flag. I’m guessing/assuming it belonged to the protestors.

      2. God, the Jena 6 protesters pissed me off. Those six kids beat a man so severely that he was hospitalized and was actually beaten into unconsciousness. Leftists then tried to argue this was totally justified behavior because maybe he said something racist although no one actually knows and also someone hung a bunch of nooses around the school a couple weeks earlier.

        One of the Jena 6 people had a father who attacked a member of their own legal team, several of them have been arrested in the years since for other assaults, as well as thefts. They also all got very lenient sentences given the crime they were accused of.

        That’s a situation that gives all the actual cases of racial injustice a bad name. Those guys were absolutely guilty and I’m amazed at how these gullible leftists were manipulated by violent criminals into mindlessly supporting them.

        1. “….and I’m amazed at how these gullible leftists were manipulated by violent criminals into mindlessly supporting them.”

          Leftists have a history of supporting criminals on the basis of ideology. E.g., Leftists fell all over themselves over the Black Panthers.

        2. Remember, Irish. Leftists do not care about actions, only words. Use the right words and they will support you even if you’re a monster. We have seen this countless times. And plenty of monsters have figured out what “useful idiots” are, and use them. That’s why they’re useful idiots.

          1. Mao said he was working for the good of the people. Even if he fucks up a little, we should support him!

        3. Maybe they were merely exacting a just lashing out against a racist local police like these baltimore youths were

    2. Are they going to protest in bikinis?

      1. I hope so, Playa. I hope so.

        1. You just said they weren’t attractive. I’m so confused.

          1. He might have meant faces.

              1. Make it plastic and I’m in.

          2. Unattractive women in bikinis are the best Jimbo can hope for. Life has taught him to aim low.

            1. He should head to Myrtle Beach for the summer then.

  21. the official Bernie Sanders Teddy Bear, yours for only $80!

    OMG, what if some free market lunatic makes a Bernie Sanders bear and only charges $60.-? How will people know which one to buy? We must ban competing alternatives, for the benefit of society.

  22. “Get to the back of the fucking bus!”

    Lawful command?

    1. By who?

      1. By police in the 60s.

  23. I was walking by a tv and there was breaking news about White House press room being “evacuated”…

    Can we expect more subpoenas and Reason staffers asking us to refrain from discussion?

    1. It’s weird because they only evacuated the press, including covering up all their cameras inside and turning the ones outside down toward the sidewalk. No staff were evacuated, only press. WTF is going on?

      1. Joe Biden was about to make some “off the cuff” remarks, probably.

  24. So what would happen in Libertopia when a bunch of uninvited (i.e. trespassing) teenagers show up at a ‘community pool’ which is in private hands (either the property of the local housing association, or of the developer of the subdivision)?

    1. Depends, were they wearing NRA shirts?

    2. There’s a commentator named Tulpa who should be able to answer this.

      1. He’s been very busy lately

        1. Watch out Playa, you are on his list.

      2. He’s been very busy lately

    3. No one trespasses in Libertopia.

      By definition.

      1. I thought all areas are in private hands in Libertopia, and as such all ‘behavioral problems’ are solved by the owner(s) declaring the miscreants trespassers, who can be evicted from the private property by all means necessary.

        1. Right, but in Libertopia there wouldn’t be any miscreants to trespass.

          1. Well, then there wouldn’t be need for enforcement of private property rights, either.

            When I wrote ‘Libertopia’, I was thinking along the lines of Rothbardian anarcho-capitalism, not a society populated by ‘perfect’ people.

            1. Can 1 person use 3 pools?

              Can a person simultaneously swim in a pond and a lake?

              Can a non-canine doggie paddle?

              If not, why not?

              1. If two men walk in the field having a conservation, and there’s no woman there to hear it, are they still wrong?

              2. Hi Heroic actually the Judge?

    4. Hopefully, we ask them to leave, then we tell them to leave and then we pick the biggest, mouthiest man and use whatever the minimum amount of force necessary to remove him, then the next etc. and also remove any adults who may have privileges there but aren’t helping to resolve the situation. Repeat as necessary until the kids decide that they’d rather party somewhere else. Probably about 15 minutes. What we don’t do is send Farva after the kids who work at the burger shack counter.

      1. pick the biggest, mouthiest man and use whatever the minimum amount of force necessary to remove him […] Repeat as necessary

        Sounds reasonable … as long as
        – the ‘minimum amount of force necessary’ deployed isn’t controversial
        – all the others stand around waiting for their turn to be removed with said minimum amount of force

    5. You pay for security guards that handle the situation appropriately, or fire the guards that handle it like this.

      1. I think the core problem here was that the police wanted to make arrests instead of telling everyone (not just the females) to get and keep moving.

    6. Net guns. We’d make liberal use of net guns.

    7. How do bouncers do their jobs?

  25. WTF is going on?

    Whatever it is, you may rest assured, it’s legal and Constitutional.

    1. Bomb threat…

      I am sure it is related to the incident-that-shall -not-be-discussed from earlier today.

  26. I’ve seen numerous comments purportedly from locals saying that a bunch of the kids weren’t supposed to be there–that they were trespassing on private property.

    Is this true? Knowing whether that’s true is really important.

    I note that no one got shot. Yesterday they were saying that no one was arrested. The ONLY ‘incident’ is this one cop screwing with this one girl–if, as the purported locals say, the people being asked to leave were trespassing.

    EVERYONE went home safe.

    So why are we playing? Oh, yeah–race.

    The racial angle being played and anyone that falls for it is just stupid. If a bunch of kids are misbehaving, and most of them are black, anyone who tries to get them to stop misbehaving is going to have to interact with more black kids–simply because there ARE more black kids. That’s not racism–no matter how much you ‘disparate impact’ people want it to be.

    1. I’d oppose the actions of this cop if the kids were white. It wouldn’t be a major news story if they were white for racial reasons, but if I were made aware of it I’d still oppose the cop’s actions.

      1. The cops actions aren’t in question–by anyone. He was suspended pretty damn near immediately. Yes, it is the standard cop vacation-with-pay, but even when someone’s dead the first thing cops get is vacation with pay.

    2. Well, that and the cop with the hardon has a previous racism complaint against him.

    3. The racial angle being played and anyone that falls for it is just stupid.

      Nope, your reasoning is stupid. Do you really not see the logical error?

      That the police would have to interact with more black kids than non-black kids, due to the demographics of the group, does not mean there is no racial angle. The white spectator is alleging that the cop was going after black kids harder. Maybe he’s wrong and made up this picture in his head, but it IS possible that there are racist cops out there.

      1. it IS possible that there are racist cops out there. As crazy as that sounds.

        (hit submit too early!)

      2. The 15 year old is alleging quite a lot. Depending on the moment it is alleged that the cops are going after black kids ‘harder’–or sometimes ‘only going after black kids’. The story changes.

        So I’ll just watch the tape and ignore the speculations.

        The fact remains that this incident can look ‘racist’ without being racist–because the majority of purported trespassers are black.

        It’s always possible that there are racist cops. And racist cashiers and racist bank tellers and racist waitresses. So? If a racist cop has to arrest a black person because they’ve committed a crime their racism is irrelevent. Only if they do something to the suspect because the suspect is black does their racism come into play.

    4. 1 of 2

      I’ve seen numerous comments purportedly from locals saying that a bunch of the kids weren’t supposed to be there–that they were trespassing on private property.

      It’s true of some although it isn’t clear they knew that.

      Apparently the party was a mix of kids in the neighborhood and out. It seems several neighborhood kids discussed it, then one who deems herself a party organizer both tweeted an invite (which included a pool as the background), brought a moonbounce, food, drinks, stuff to make sno-cones, and set up in the picnic area next to the pool (separated by a fence). Only people in the HOA are allowed in the pool, plus two guests per household, unless you register your party and pay a fee with a deposit. Then you can have 20 guests. But there were 70-100 people there by different estimates.

      According to the HOA the party wasn’t registered. This makes a certain amount of sense if people thought this was predominantly a local party not realizing it was advertised on twitter and would draw a much bigger crowd. But people who were specifically invited certainly believed they were not trespassing, and the twitter group had reason to believe that also.

    5. 2 of 2

      It looks to me like someone with intentions only of having fun (who brings a moonbounce to a booze and weed party? Or sno-cones?) but far more people than expected showed up. Then things get out of hand with the overflow crowd jumping the fence to get in after being rejected by security. People there with their kids are suddenly concerned. One describes taking his 6 year old home after being knocked over in the pool repeatedly by teenagers unwilling or unable to control themselves. The organizers not only couldn’t handle this but didn’t understand it was their responsibility to do so. Now the other adults try to step in, but the overflow crowd starts claiming these adults just don’t want blacks around. Tension increases and the next thing the organizer and a pissed adult are fighting.

      Cops are called, everything is winding down until Captain McKinney shows up. It was a cluster, one escalation after another, piled on top of several misunderstandings.

  27. http://theconservativetreehous…..bdivision/

    The linked article rings true. It’s Tatyana’s fault.

  28. I don’t have much for respect for police, but I DO fear them. Because they can literally kill you with impunity or tell lies about your actions that will destroy your life. Facing off against cops is risky and a battle you’re unlikely to win. Our only chance to prevail against them is through the subsequent legal process. I know, it sucks and isn’t fair. But escalating police confrontations isn’t a solution. It boggles my mind that more people don’t realize this.

    1. Yeah, there’s real cognitive dissonance in believing both 1) cops are dangerous thugs who will abuse you for little or no reason, and 2) it’s perfectly fine to argue with them, assert your rights, disobey their commands, get into fights with them, etc.

      (I am not, of course, arguing that people should not assert their rights. I’m just saying that you can’t simultaneously claim that cops are dangerous and irrational and then say that it’s a good idea to provoke them.)

      1. I concur. I’m beginning to think that some of these incidents are being escalated on purpose, particularly by those who know they’re being recorded and that SJWs will jump to their defense–no matter what exculpatory evidence emerges later. There are far better examples of police abuse and misconduct. Why are so many people focusing on this one?

      2. THIS, so much fucking THIS

        FWIW, I generally subscribe to the idea that #1 is always a risk of being true and therefore I make a damned strong point of not doing anything that could be considered remotely menacing when I’m dealing with them. I know a Sudden movement could result in my intestines scattered across the seventh street pavement (and likely a posthumous littering citation for good measure) so I make damn sure to be cautious and calm in those situations (since I have little faith in the cops’ ability to be so) while not being simpering in my compliance.

      3. Safe and Right are not always not the same choice.

        1. Was that double negative intentional?

          1. Doubt it.

    2. Absolutely. I’m never rude. It’s highly unwise and unhealthy.

  29. The silver lining to these incidents is that they help me clear out my “friends” lists on various social media sites. Bootlickers are no friends of mine.

    -jcr

  30. 5 Vile Right Wing Reactions to Poolpocalypse Now: And How You Can Use Them To Feel Morally Superior

    1. Dude, tell me when your link is sending me to Salon! God damn it, now I gotta take a shower!

    2. This is the face of white rage!

      Beautiful.

  31. Robby Soave, there’s a lot more evidence for the view that the kids were “misbehaving” than you seem to think. Apparently a resident had an unauthorized party, too many people showed up, things got out of hand, so the cops were called.

    From the video, it looks to me like the cop may have had a good reason to draw his gun: someone near him took an aggressive stance, and it sure looks like he was pretending to draw a gun from the back of his waistband. Maybe not, but the cop wasn’t entirely unprovoked.

    Here’s an interview with a (black) resident who says the whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

    1. It’s not like Robby would ever hedge in a certain direction… I stand by my assertion this morning that there are a lot of assholes involved here.

      1. Indeed. The one cop reacted like he was responding to a robbery in progress or something. But lots of these cases involve stupidity on all sides. Most accidents/tragedies do not have a single cause, and from what I can tell, many incidents of police misconduct happen when the other people involved do one or more very stupid things.

        If someone smokes two packs a day and gets lung cancer, it’s not “blaming the victim” to point out that they probably wouldn’t be sick if they didn’t smoke. Similarly, it’s not “bootlicking” to point out that if you want to reduce police misconduct, don’t do things that often cause the police to misconduct themselves.

        1. Such nuance is verboten among the preening hordes among us who derp out at any story involving cops. There is so much downright sickening misconduct in police departments across this country but a white guy gets shot in public or an intoxicated hispanic vagrant gets his skull slammed into the ground and left on the floor to die and it’s a footnote. But god forbid a teenage girl instigating and demeaning a cop while he’s trying to gain control of a situation involving fifty kids gets taken down slightly roughly by a cop and it becomes a a choice opportunity for preening among the white knights.

          1. Man, he’s so brave picking the mouthy girl to rough up. You think he’ll sign your cleavage?

    2. Shhh! We’re busy crying “Raaaacist!!” and whining about The Injustice Of It All. You trying to ruin a good cocktail party or what?

    3. An ‘aggressive stance’? Is this a joke? Do you think every negro who doesn’t have his hands up should just be pre-emptively shot?

      1. Did you watch the video or look at the screen grabs at the link I provided? If a cop is tussling with someone, and someone else approaches, sets his feet wide, hunches a bit forward, and reaches behind his back, yes, that counts as “aggressive” to me.

    4. If you seriously think that “aggressive stance” merited pulling a gun, I don’t know what to say. He doesn’t even actually pull out the gun till multiple seconds later as the guy is running away (and the cop is walking after him) and any potential threat that may have justified putting his hand on his holster was clearly gone. Also, I’m 99% sure the guy was pulling up his pants. Why the hell would you pretend to draw a gun from your waistband in this situation?

      1. If you seriously think that “aggressive stance” merited pulling a gun, I don’t know what to say.

        What I wrote was: “From the video, it looks to me like the cop may have had a good reason to draw his gun.” (Emphasis added.) From what I could see, the cop may have thought he was about to be attacked. Wasn’t he yelling at people to get down and/or get away? And yet a bunch of people were running towards him.

        Why the hell would you pretend to draw a gun from your waistband in this situation?

        Um, I don’t think you want to rest your argument on assuming rational behavior. Remember the “Why would Michael Brown attack a cop?” arguments? Or “Why would Trayvon Martin attack Zimmerman?” Because they were violent idiots.

        Also, I’m 99% sure the guy was pulling up his pants.

        Possibly. Maybe he wasn’t pretending to get a gun, but how could the cop tell from his p.o.v.? In any case, it still shows amazingly stupid behavior on the part of that person. The cop was obviously in a struggle, people rush toward him and make ambiguous moves, he pulls his gun, keeps his finger off the trigger, and reholsters it when the threat (as he sees it) has passed.

        Did he over-react, then and earlier? Once could make a good case that he did. I am leaning that way, but I resist jumping to the “OMG he pulled a GUN on an unarmed person!!!” conclusion, which makes it sound more clear-cut than it looks to me.

        1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE

          The original video above does not contain edits to sway you or Prove what might have happened. I suggest you watch it.

          It includes Casebolt’s entry into the calm retreat of most of the kids like a bat out of hell. Then as one officer calmly converses with another cop, suddenly Casebolt is there screaming at the boys conversing to sit down and he pushes them. Right there he is wrong.

          He further annoyed when the girl in the bikini and her friends were gossiping about him. Flashback to HS? Perhaps, but she was walking away when he pulled her back and swung her to the ground. Any normal friend, cop or not would instinctively say, what are you doing. Casebolt caused all of that. All on his own. He nearly created a dangerous situation. If he was out numbered and felt threatened the reaction shouldn’t be to draw your weapon. He should have asked for back up long before that.

          I am glad he resigned so he no longer has to work in the heat with “Fucking 30lbs of gear on,” as he says in the video.

  32. Reason would do better to not jump on every instance of “police brutality” until the facts come out. It turned out that Michael Brown really did attack a cop and deserved to get shot. Or remember that actress who claimed the LA cops discriminated against her when they busted her for having sex with her boyfriend in a car, in view of many people? Oops, again.

    Libertarians are (rightly) concerned with police abuses, and I don’t deny that they happen and should be dealt with. But around here it’s getting to be like SJWs and their obsession with “hate crimes” and “campus rapes”: every edge case and outright hoax is immediately trumpeted from the rooftops. This is a disservice to the real cases that should get attention.

      1. This is basically the premise of White Like Me, the tale of a white boy’s experiences growing up in a black neighborhood. It’s like a more smug version of Avatar

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItiXR5m1yAY

        Be careful with Tim Wise. This is not derp for beginners.

        1. So I have discovered

          White Male Progressives seem to use the “OMG everyone is so racist” in exactly the same way White Female Progressives use the “OMG everyone is getting raped everywhere” schtick.

          they stick to subjects where even daring to suggest they’re actually mistaken means you’re the problem and must now be destroyed.

          1. Progressives see racism everywhere because they themselves are so racist. And the only way to atone for their ‘crime’ is to convince themselves everyone else must be worse. And denying your own racism (for non-Proggies, of course) is the worst offense of all. Such pathetic children…

            1. “Progressives see racism everywhere because they themselves are so racist.”

              I’m not sure the word ‘racist’ is exactly right.

              I don’t disagree that everything for Progs is “projection”…

              …but i think the millenial-prog obsession with Race is about personal empowerment.

              Accusing people of racism is instant moral-superiority. And posturing for moral advantage is the sine-qua-non of contemporary ‘cultural’ journalism. The nanny-voice that almost every millenial writer adopts…where they’re providing a stern-but-friendly lecture about why *Good People Should Feel Bad Being White*… is ubiquitous. Everything is “problematic” (*for others, natch)… and they are constantly sneering about “Most Americans”, the invisible masses, who are all obese, ‘uneducated’, Faux News, passive-racists.

              Its not mainly because progs are “afraid of Blacks” and have hidden racist feelings. *(though i think there’s a lot of this at Salon in particular)

              …its that they want to hold this “I’m better than you, therefore right” moral posture that gives them a false sense of self-esteem.

              1. I think it’s impossible for normal people to comprehend the Proggie point of view because they truly live in the Bizarro World. They believe the opposite of everything–just because. Not taking (taxes) is giving, not giving (welfare and free stuff) is taking. And treating everyone exactly the same regardless of how they were born is sexist, racist and every other bad ‘ist. I spent over a year arguing with the inmates of AlterNet before realizing it was a pointless waste of time and energy. They’re an insignificant minority who are best ignored.

          2. But, but, they based that movie on some dude’s work in the JIM CROW ERA SOUTH! WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY LIKE THINGS ARE TODAY!

            Wow. I never knew how racist I was.

            Thanks, GILMORE, for sharing PBS’s courageous stuff*!

            *I could only make it three questions into the interview before I folded and bolted – beyond insipid

        2. the tale of a white boy’s experiences growing up in a black neighborhood

          So…getting beat up a lot?

          1. please. those were spontaneous reparations.

        3. Be careful with Tim Wise. This is not derp for beginners.

          Ok this made me laugh out loud.

    1. +1000…but I’m just a libertarian, not a full blown Libertarian.

  33. I love it how cop supporters basically rely on the same logic as “well if she didn’t want to get shot by the bank robber, she should’ve just done what he said.”

    1. Seems the logic is more “if she didn’t want to get shot by the cops, she shouldn’t have robbed the bank.” Doesn’t make shooting her right. But doesn’t pretend it’s a good vs. evil situation either.

      1. Not when they go around raiding people’s homes for drugs and cash or kidnapping people for tax evasion or any other peaceful activity people may engage in.

        I wasn’t speaking to this case in particular. I understand it involved trespassing and shit. I’m speaking more about people who always support the cops and hide behind the phrase “he shouldn’t have broken the law.” “Because it’s the law” is the same reasoning as “because I have a gun.” It astounds me how many people support the actions of cops simply because they’re cops.

      2. In this case what did th eteen do that remotely deserved what she got from the cop after that? I am all for tough justice. Should the cops go and assault all my buddies in college who would breaking a half dozen laws jaywalking near our campus streets and drinking on their porches violating who knows what sound ordinances in the neighborhood. Many times, cops , when they came, would be firm, but have a smile too. And if a white guy mouthed off in a corner, the cop usually would point his finger at him “hey you..” and just move on to the next task on hand.

        1. Are you retarded?

  34. I am lucky that I have had only a few encounters with the police. The first one was when I was driving through a town during a parade. The cop told me to go left, I signaled left, but since I was used to always turning right at that intersection, I turned right. The cop freaked out and screamed at me for about 2 minutes. I was on my learner’s permit and my dad was in the car. He said he’d switch places that calmed the cop down.

    Another time, I broke down in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere in Virginia. My cell had no signal, so I tried to flag down a few passing vehicles. No luck. I saw a cop and flagged him down. He helped me push my car off the road and called a tow truck for me. I gained some respect for the police that day.

    My experiences with the police have been about 50/50.

  35. We live in the stupidest possible time, right? Because I don’t see how else a bunch of kids getting kicked out of a pool can a) be botched so retardedly, b) become such a retarded national story.

    1. There is that. If you watch the video, it really is a vortex of retardation. The conservatives do have a point that the kids were being loudmouthed morons. The problem is the cops, whom we pay with the expectation of acting better than a pack of retarded and angry teenagers, acted just as bad or worse. You watch that video and you just weep for America. Is everyone in this country a retarded animal now?

      1. If you can’t beak up a stupid little party without pulling your gun, I mean, what can you do?

        1. Not much. It is like I always tell Dunphy, if we just wanted cops to shoot people, we wouldn’t bother to pay them since there are plenty of people out there who will do that for free.

          They are poorly trained and terrified most of them. That is why they always shoot people. They don’t shoot because they are psycho killers, thought a few them of them probably are. They mostly shoot because they are terrified and don’t know what else to do.

          1. Seriously, if they are going to behave like they are an occupying force in the middle of insurgency, then maybe it’s time to fucking give them some appropriate training. I mean, militarization of police is a bad thing, but at least then teach them about appropriate doctrine and shit. Oh, and implement explicit ROEs.

      2. It’s odd that it was basically one cop going out of his way to escalate the situation while the others (I saw 2 to 3) were calmly dealing with the people around them.

      3. It’s the self-esteem movement John.

        Really, it’s the idea that one can’t be criticized for being wrong. Teens get a fuckton of this shit, and any police under the age of 45 got a fuckton of it as a teenager AND as a union member.

        So Warty is essentially correct – by refusing to let people know they CAN be (and often are) wrong, mistaken, or just plain selfishly stupid, we create a population that thinks their shit don’t stink – aka retarded in maturity.

        This can ONLY be corrected by setting an example that even the authorities can be wrong, mistaken, or just plain selfishly stupid. But you can rest assured that the authorities will try to set a completely different example that is wrong, mistaken, or selfishly stupid.

    2. It’s a perfect storm of retardedness: Black kids, old white people, hero cops, and Texas

      1. Well, Texas is the only part you got right.

        The kids were both black and white (there were some adults, too). The neighborhood is multiethnic and the cops were dealing with a crowd of over 100 kids who were unruly and some were vandalizing property. The cop in the video was reacting to a man who acted like he was reaching behind him for a gun. Oh, and there was fighting.

    3. Winner.

  36. If there is any magazine that should no better than to drop the race card on this, it is reason. Does Robby just not read Balko? If he does, he should know that cops treat everyone like this. This has nothing to do with race. They would have acted the exact same way had the kids been white. IN fact, they might have acted worse figuring that the various community activists who get upset over this kind of stuff wouldn’t care if they brutalized white kids.

    1. Yeah, let the progs reframe it as racism- that’s all they do. The real problem is police incompetence and unaccountability.

    2. Perhaps they’re pushing the race agenda as a way of satiating a federal judge from the southern district of NY for some unbeknownst reason.

      1. They have a secret deal with DOJ. I wouldn’t totally dismiss the possibility.

      2. They have a secret consent decree. That was the term I was looking for but couldn’t remember.

  37. The police in this situation didn’t seem to know what to do when their orders weren’t obeyed. Maybe they should be trained in how to manage a crowd without flipping out when things do go as expected.

  38. When the officers arrived, they treated all the minority teenagers as suspects and ignored the white kids, according to 15-year-old Brandon Brooks (who is white).

    We know this isn’t accurate though. A black 13 year old who was interviewed today also took video from close by and was not approached, detained, or arrested. So it seems the act of videoing conveyed to the officer they were not threats.

    Interesting example of how we’re all socialized to leap to the racism conclusion.

    1. Interesting example of how Robby is socialized to leap to the racism conclusion.

      FTFY

    2. Oh so, just because some black kids were anot arrested means what? THe fact is not a single white person was detained , including the older white woman who engaged in provoking the incident to the next level. So the cops gets a pass because he only detained some of the black kids ? Give him time, he probably woudl ahve gotten around to the remaining.

      1. Oh so, just because some black kids were anot arrested means what?

        I didn’t say the only evidence was that one single clack person wasn’t detained. I showed the kid who used his own experience to define the groups as racist was also a member of a different group none of whose members were detained. Not one. So don’t give me the just one bullshit.

        From what I could tell it was not clear the white woman was the provoker. By the time that video starts the organizer and her are already into the physical confrontation.

  39. #BlackSwimmersMatter

    1. #IBelieveAllPoolParties

  40. Funny how the white lady who slapped the teen host (as mentioned by not one, but two white witnesses – Brooks and a 14 year old white girl who said the older white woman was being racist) never had to face arrest or even was questioned.

    Watch this video:
    http://www.fox4news.com/story/…..speaks-out

    In here, they talk about the vandalism claims and questioned the police about that. Even the cops said they were unaware of a single incident. None was reported. Thjis was a case where guns should not even be an issue. You got cite people. Break up the party(which seemed successful as kids were running away). There was no need for the cop to create a situation which was a self fulfilling scenario. People say he had to pull the gun out of self defense. I dont agree. Even if you agree, until he started to manhandle the skinny girl, no one was approaching the cop. He pretty much raised the temperature by creating a situaiton where a lot of black kids were natually concerned about the girl getting potentially injured(she is lucky she didn’t suffer a sprained elbow or whiplash).

  41. This is just another case of an out of control cop looking to pick a fight. It’s not clear whether or not race played a role, but if you look at the beginning of the video, there is a cop behaving like a normal human being having a conversation with the group of kids and the situation seems calm. That’s when the deranged cop enters the situation and everything elevates from there.

    In a sane world this guy is fired and is never allowed to be an officer again. He cannot control his emotions. He alone made the situation worse with his actions, which, if you believe cops have a duty to create order, is the opposite of what he should’ve been doing. The other two cops with him were calm and collected because the situation wasn’t one that demanded aggressive behavior. The problem is, the relevant facts like why these cops were sprinting down the road at the beginning of the video don’t seem to be available because every fuckhead journalist wants to cherry pick something out of the whole story to support their own personal bias about race. It’s really a shame.

  42. “…the police?the one kind of public employee who can do no wrong in the eyes of all-too many people on the right…”
    and to those at Reason can never do right – or so it seems.

  43. The cop had no business pulling his weapon and the community is right to be concerned.
    However, the stories coming out about the behavior of uninvited “guests” should also spark outrage from the same community. Failure to acknowledge the unexcuseable is akin to approval on both sides.

  44. It is amazing to me to see how people see the same video and come to totally opposite opinions. Some see only bad police work and some see only bad parenting. Wow. No wonder this country seems so divided.

  45. Let me try to thread my way through this. This was a private party on private property and the pool was for members only. Some people, their ages and race don’t matter, came to the party uninvited and whether they acted wonderfully or poorly they were asked to leave the private premises. They did not obey this request. Apparently some racist things were said but the law does not say you have to be cool to own property. The next foreseeable step was that the police were called. The interlopers were told to leave again but some or all did not.

    When I was a kid getting into it, when we heard sirens or saw police we ran, not wanting a confrontation. The individuals in this situation decided other than to obey a lawful order by police and the wishes of the owners of the private property. They invited a confrontation with police, individuals empowered by legislative directive to use force up to and including deadly force. How anyone could think this could turnout well after that decision is something I can’t imagine. If the police over step you take it to the courts where you have protection of the law and can get actual changes made not on the street. Please don’t tell me how imperfect all this is, I already know but stand by what I’ve said as action for best outcomes.

  46. Of course, this hack couldn’t bother to investigate that the video he refers to was an edited down clip, and the full video shows the teens getting within fist or knife distance of the cop.

    Nor did he bother to look up the comments of people living in the complex who had full details of the near riot involving mostly people who had no permission to be there.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015…..the-story/

    1. What do you expect from an “Obama Parrot” who just dutifully repeats the left-wing propaganda originating from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and most of the major mainstream media newsrooms in America?

  47. Hannity is a nit-wit!
    If that kid was my daughter, that cop would not only have lost his job!

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  49. So, apparently you missed the part of the video that showed a black teen with his hand behind his back and gesturing as if he was going to pull a weapon out before the officer pulled his firearm. But, why let the facts get in the way of race-baiting and cop-bashing, right?

  50. Wait. Teen girl in a bikini got tackled to the ground? Assault and battery be damned — what about sexual assault?

    I haven’t watched the video, so correct me if I am wrong, but if he put her on the ground, held her down, and bound her, even a little, how is this angle NOT being jumped on? It seems obvious to me…

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  52. “…and she has Freedom of speech …” And can expect consequences. Domestic scenes are about the most dangerous for cops. Seeingg a video afterwards is easy. Officers don’t have that indulgence. Even so case bolt over reacted and now he faces consequences. But, don’t mouth off to cops doing their job, period. Make them feel safe in a chaotic situation.

  53. I live in McKinney. This is NOT a racial incident.

    A disproportionate number of black kids appear to be getting picked on because there was a disproportionate number of black kids there.

    This fiasco is the fault of Tatyana Rhodes, a resident. She organizes parties for entry fee to make money. This was not supposed to be one of those, it was supposed to be friends and family, a mixed race group, many who are residents of the HOA. She or her rapper DJ tweeted Free Pool Party and over 100 teenagers and young adults from the Dallas area showed up. They happened to be all black. When they discovered they were not allowed into the facility, a limit of 2 guests per member, they climbed over the fence. When asked to leave by security, they refused. They are now criminal trespassers. Fights broke out.

    By the time the video starts, most of the mayhem had come under control; there were plenty of kids, black and white doing what they were told that are not seen in the video. There were still some acting up. Those who disobeyed or mouthed off were picked on by Casebolt. Those who obeyed, stood still and kept their mouths shut were ignored.

    The white kid taking the video thinks it was racist that he wasn’t picked on, but police are trained to not interfere with people taking video who are not interfering. They recognize a person usually has a right to stand there and take video and Casebolt did not try to stop him.

    Officer Casebolt was out of line, but it is NOT an issue of race.

  54. “On the June 8 edition of Premiere Radio Networks’The Sean Hannity Show, Fox News host Sean Hannity defended the Texas police officer, saying there is an environment of children not respecting the police, which President Obama has contributed to.”

    There’s an easy riposte to that: Clliven Bundy!

    If Sean Hannity was happy to cheer on Bundy’s own “disrespecting” of federal officers, he is in no position to lecture Texas teenagers or Barack Obama!

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