Details About 100,000 Taxpayer Accounts Stolen From IRS
Hackers took the bait
I've written before that personal data the Internal Revenue Service requires taxpayers to submit and then stores in haphazard fashion is essentially hacker bait. Amidst routinely terrible security practices, IRS employees have stolen data themselves, inappropriately browsed it for amusement, and sometimes just lost it (PDF). Such slips and abuses are inevitable given the vast quantity of sensitive data accumulated by tax collectors.
"[T]he vast databases held by the IRS, HHS, security agencies, etc, will be leaked on purpose, leaked because of bureaucrat sloppiness, or be hacked. The more they collect, the more that will eventually leak." Chris Edwards, director of tax policy studies at the Cato Institute, predicted to me last year. That "eventually"—at least, the latest round of it—is now. Today, the IRS annouced a little data mishap.
The IRS announced today that criminals used taxpayer-specific data acquired from non-IRS sources to gain unauthorized access to information on approximately 100,000 tax accounts through IRS' "Get Transcript" application. This data included Social Security information, date of birth and street address.
Whoever stole the information made it through the IRS's "multi-step authentication process" from February to mid-May of this year, apparently already possessing enough information to answer personal questions in order to access the full records. Officials have now shut down the Get Transcript application for the time being, and are contacting affected (or afflicted) taxpayers.
Which should tide things over until next time.
H/T: Charles WT
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Officials ... are contacting affected (or afflicted) taxpayers
, no doubt to offer them two years of free credit monitoring.
How about if your stuff is stolen from the IRS, you pay no more federal tax for the rest of your life?
Remember how mad people got at Target and Home Depot?
But it's OK when it happens to the IRS.
Target and Home depot were just credit card breaches too, no SS#'s were involved. Federal law prevents you from being held responsible for fraudulent credit card charges provided you file a dispute with the CC company, so that wasn't really putting anyone at any risk other than a few fraudulent CC charges and a new card.
This data breach with the IRS was shown to have allowed people to get fraudulent loans and other big time financing, which means the amount of information that was lost besides just SS#'s (entire tax returns, bank account/retirement account numbers, other specific financial data) is astounding.
This is bad even for the IRS, is what I'm saying. Which holy shit is that saying something.
Yep. I had my Visa reissued 3 times last calendar year. It takes me several hours to update my CC info in my Bill Pay for each utility and online service.
The third one prompted me to finally switch all the way over to AMEX whenever possible. I've never been happier.
AMEX has a cool feature online where you can tag a pending charge for monitoring before it goes through if you think it's fraudulent, but I suppose all of the big ones will have it eventually.
I wish Amex wouldn't charge so much more than Visa to retailers so I could use it more, but that the price you pay I suppose.
They called and emailed me when they thought I had a fraudulent charge. The system was incredible compared to what I was used to.
Visa never does that. I find out about the security hold when I have a cart full of groceries and the transaction gets declined. I can't say enough negative things about BofA's Visa.
I hate them, but I keep the credit line open for my credit score.
Most of them are starting to use a spending habit by zip code type warning system, but they vary in when -if ever- they contact customers in terms of fraudulent charges. I've seen certain banks that issue Visa do the same thing in their defense, I just think Amex is a lot better at it.
Oops; didn't see Tman's comment before I posted.
I'm sure the algorithms are proprietary, but BofA's sucks.
I've had security holds 4 times while shopping at my local grocery store. I call the 1-800 number, and the lady on the other end, with an accent that's clearly in another part of the country, says "Mr. Manhattan, did you charge $xx.xx at Ralphs? What is Ralphs?" I go there almost EVERY DAY. And these are not large purchases.
I can buy 100 bucks worth of gas at an Indian Casino in the desert with no problems. I can buy 300 bucks worth of drinks in the Bahamas with no problems. But if I stop by the deli at my local grocery store to pick up a rotisserie chicken, my card gets put on security hold.
I have so much hate in my heart for these people.
"Visa never does that."
I think it depends on the issuer; my financial institution has contacted me several times with questionable charges, and twice over the last year had to reissue the card(s).
Since I had to substitute a new card when charging at a very few retailers (and it also got hacked), both issuers might have found the 'problem'. I hope.
BTW, our bizz credit card agency simply does not accept AmEx, and I'm pleased. We can't charge extra for the extra costs, and I'm not willing to eat them.
I get it. The fees are much higher. If you don't have the leverage to negotiate, it makes sense to say no to AMEX. Enough people do it that I always carry a backup Visa.
"If you don't have the leverage to negotiate, it makes sense to say no to AMEX. Enough people do it that I always carry a backup Visa."
We get regular calls and mailings from AmEx promising to cut or lower the fees, and of course, there is nothing to prevent AmEx from raising them again later. And since most people are like you and carry a card that doesn't charge the seller, why would anyone waste time attempting any sort of negotiation? Regardless of leverage, there's tremendous frictional costs in negotiating and zero gain if you succeed.
I'm sure those who contract to accept AmEx have built the costs into the goods pricing; I'd rather keep the similar "quality" premium in-house. Just the price of dealing with a high-end source.
You know what I'm really curious about? The Costco-AmEx deal (which is expiring soon). I wonder how big a discount Costco got from AmEx in exchange for a shot a $20 billion a year in transactions.
BofA?
That was your mistake.
I've been with BofA since diggity ought (1983).
I do most of my banking through Vanguard now.
USAA Mastercard.... *arches eyebrow*
But KKKORPORATIONZ do it on purpose!
*smugs*
OT: Is getting your roof done by Home Depot a good idea?
General rule in construction= Always go with specialists. They can usually do a better job for less than the "Jack of all trades" companies.
I thought you just whistle and have workers jump into the back of your pickup.
/Dalmia immigration thread
Now that's what I'm talking about!
*adjusts monocle*
I spit on your monocle!
Orphan tears make better monocle polish than saliva.
Home Depot likely isn't doing it but subcontracting with a local roofer to do the work. Find out who their subcontractor is and see if they're any good.
I haven't used HD but I have used a local chain home improvement store for flooring and doors on two different projects. The subcontractors did decent work and it was backed up by the store if something wasn't done right (everything was fine). It was probably a little more expensive going that route but more convenient after picking out the material.
For a roof, I'd call up a number of roofing companies in addition to HD, get quotes from all, select the roofing material and the roofer that gives the best vibes at a price you're comfortable with.
Years ago, I was told to call 5 roofers, 'cause that means two would show up.
That's sounds about right when we reroofed about 7 or 8 years ago.
If the owner shows up drunk, driven by his son, to get the specs for the bid, don't bother no matter how good the quote sounds. It'll just be one long hassle during the job and afterwards.
And when the outfit screws it up and it leaks, do you let them back up there to screw it up again?
Roofing is one of the jobs that gets a *careful* selection.
Ah yes. The eternal quandary of contractor go-backs. That why I say go with the vibes you get from the quote guy as well. If they can't be bothered to show up when they say they will to spec the job, they aren't going to show up on time for the job, and they certainly won't return your calls to fix something.
The drunk contractor was a deck refinishing project, fortunately.
Well, that makes sense. If you're gonna be drunk on your deck, you want a drunk guy to build it.
That...that is correct!
Roofing is easy money. I used to free-lance, underbid everyone else and still made good money.
Home Depot contracts out to all kinds of (supposedly licensed) contractors. You never know who you're gonna get.
I'm having them put tile in my bathroom this summer, and it's sort of test run to see if we trust them to do hardwood floors in the whole downstairs.
I'll let you know what I find out.
Pl?ya Manhattan.|5.26.15 @ 10:08PM|#
"Home Depot contracts out to all kinds of (supposedly licensed) contractors. You never know who you're gonna get."
Ditto Lowes.
Two jobs spot-fing-on; time, quality, price. Wowza!
Third one; late calls, no info, fired before any costs were run up.
Buy a book and do it yourself. Cheaper and higher quality work.
Is there something wrong with your orphans?
He had them hobbled, they cant climb ladders anymore... and firing them out of cannons on to his roof is not an exact science.
Now get ready for the same song and dance routine where Congress pretends to be outraged, calls some IRS flunkies before a committee and....lightly grill them while the IRS lackeys ask for more money.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Heck with that depressing stuff.
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i dated one of those for 5 years. she relaxed, but it took a year or so.
So, apparently I had time for that.
Definitely a 1.
On the binary scale, right?
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The binary system doesn't leave a lot of room for discussion.
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Go home Hollywood, you're drunk.
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I enjoyed it as a roller coaster ride. Don't try to understand the economics behind it all, though.
And I thought it was bad a few years ago when the only decent movies being made were remakes of classics. They can't even get that right now.
The masked assailants dove from a plane at cruising altitude into the Cave of Swallows before finally opening their chutes, which immediately arrest their momentum. Er, what?
I like how the lateral momentum stopped too. TOTES.
I was willing to let the wonky momentum go, but managing to bullseye the cavern in free-fall after all the acrobatics to do whatever it was they wanted done was just too hokey. Granted, there's some elided material, so maybe they strap on jet packs in between cuts.
But they are super athletes, Dweebs! Probably slammed a red bull mixed with Mountain Dew before they jumped.
Fast and Furiouser: Sky Bros
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If this scene isn't in the movie, I want my money back.
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One more problem that goes away if we abolish the income tax.
-jcr
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Literally anything will get you graduated with your "-studies" degree, won't it? Pandering to the instructors' inevitable sexual paranoia, cribbing from Dworkin, and writing ten thousand words making a prosaic case for censorship and seizing the means of production and all that. It must write itself.
Just think, today you can take a course in how to exploit the American university from within. Learn how to get paid fighting the man with his own money!
Univ. of Wisconsin symposium to teach how to become 'a thief in the university'
I'm going to invade a board meeting at Procter & Gamble with a message of radical capitalist ethic. That'll show those only mostly-capitalist businessmen.
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Would.
...run screaming from the room?
I would too, but I'd hate myself after.
its not funny when you say it.
She left out pushing back against the NYT.
So, anyone know if Agile Cyborg is alright?
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I don't think he's ever "alright"
if you are referring to his suicidal whale songs from the other night... it was a monday. Some people are bad on mondays.
Well, Sunday night early Monday morning.
GILMORE|5.26.15 @ 11:26PM|#
"I don't think he's ever "alright""
I think in AC's case, at the very least that term will need careful definition. I can remember being "alright" when others were certain I wasn't; AC prolly falls into that category often.
I am worried. Sunday was like an episode of Black Mirror.
Eh, as I understand it the guy has a family. Might not be the worst thing in the world if he dries out a bit. I quite enjoyed the excursions into poetic lunacy, but the passionate several-paragraph disquisition on overdosing was a bit worrisome.
Shit happens.
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Bong!
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Thus.
Fuss
This is why I have a problem with the medical field using the internet to store and transfer data on its patients. I love when they tell me "it's secure". Eh, yeah, that's what the DOD thought too. If it's online, it has the potential to be hacked - bottom line. Only an idiot says it's secure or believes it.
I went to a doctor's once and refused to allow them to take my picture for their file. I was actually taken to a room by one of their employees who tried to convince me to allow it. I told him my picture had nothing to do with treating me, to which he said "all our patients do it and we use it in case we're discussing you so everyone in the meeting will know who you are". To which I replied, "Well, if everyone else has allowed you to take their picture, you'll remember me because I'm the only who didn't". People are just too relaxed when taking and giving info any more.
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Don't you see, this will create jerbz!
I have many open cases that look just like that in my office right now and I've spoken to probably several hundred victims of fraudulent tax filings in the last two months alone.
What I find funny about this episode is that I've talked to so many clients about what happens when the IRS accepts a bogus return with your stolen info, yet this time- The IRS lost your info (and/or had it stolen out the front door in broad daylight) first and THEN thieves will use it to file a fraudulent return. Brilliant!
(As an aside -If this happens to you through the IRS, you will not be able to file electronically. You need to mail your return and include IRS Form 14039 with a copy of a photo ID. Call The IRS Identity Protection Specialized Unit a month after you mail at 800-908-4490 and they will give you an estimate on when it will be fixed. Currently that is standing at about a year. Oops!)
I had a few cases with over 30 different fraudulent credit cards, all maxed out, half in collections already.
Sadly less than 30% of ID theft issues are credit related. From criminal to medical to checking/savings fraud to utility fraud, etc etc. It's a freaking nightmare for those who have to go through it.
Our personal data is no longer even remotely secure when it comes to things like your SS#. You are kidding yourself to believe otherwise. I'm not sure what the answer is to stopping it, by I can assure whatever the government proposes will make it 1000X worse.
Make sure you get a service that provides full restoration, meaning they have licensed investigators that get a Power of Attorney to work on your behalf to fix everything for you. Making promises on the front end are useless after you become a victim.
Credit monitoring is credit monitoring no matter who you get it from, and no one can protect your ID info -any of it- from being stolen completely, no matter what they say.
I thought this story was a LifeLock commercial!
My social security number is 8675309.
Full disclosure: I DO NOT work for Lifelock.
My opinion of them will remain off the board because I don't wish to make public my employer on H&R, but I've been doing this longer than Lifelock has been around.
Jenny, is that you?
"I can assure whatever the government proposes will make it 1000X worse."
Isn't this realization why most of us are here in the first place?
Aye.
That and looking in the mirror after wielding government power for some time and saying "Really? Why don't you go work for Swiss people instead".
I'll second that (next morning). You can't prevent identity theft from taking place (especially when the thieves target the IRS), but you can react quickly. It's a pain in the butt, but it's part of living in the modern world.
Although I can't prove it, I suspect my wife was among those in this story--our joint return was blocked because someone had already filed 'on our behalf'. It messed up our state return too. And thanks to Tman for the info on how to follow through after filing the paper return. I had heard it was going to be a long slog..
Don't forget to file a notice with the credit agencies (Experian etc.), just in case.
Jerbilz?
Because they report to the IRS.