College Admissions

Harvard's Asian-American Quota Turns Diversity on Its Head

College puts the brakes on rewarding the educational successes of a minority group.

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Harvard College

Asian-Americans are one of the nation's most astonishing success stories. In 1960, they accounted for less than 1 percent of the U.S. population but had a rich history of persecution—from the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 to the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. Back then, no one could have imagined what lay ahead. 

Today, nearly 5 percent of Americans have Asian ancestry, tracing to countries from India to Japan. The Pew Research Center reports that they are "the highest-income, best-educated and fastest-growing racial group in the United States." 

They are overrepresented in fields like medicine, engineering and computer science. In Silicon Valley, they hold half of the tech jobs. For immigrants once associated with menial or subservient work, the transformation has been titanic. 

But some things have stayed the same—such as the representation of Asian-Americans at Harvard, the nation's oldest and most prestigious university. In 1992, they made up 19.1 percent of the undergraduate student body. In 2013, they made up 18 percent. 

During the same period, the share of Asian-Americans in the U.S. population rose sharply, and their share in the Harvard applicant pool doubled. About 30 percent of those admitted, by comparison, are "legacies"—students whose notable virtue is carrying the DNA of Harvard grads. 

When I arrived in Cambridge for my freshman year in 1972, having grown up in Texas, I had never met an Asian-American. That night, I was sharing a bedroom with one—my roommate, the son of Chinese immigrants, who grew up near Seattle. To me, the relative abundance of Asian-Americans on campus was a surprise. 

In the wake of the civil rights movement, this group was thought to contribute to the diverse, cosmopolitan experience the university wanted for its undergraduates. But in the decades since, they apparently have come to be seen more as an obstacle to diversity. 

In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that as an alumnus, I interviewed a few applicants in the past year on behalf of the admissions office, the first time I've done it. This gives me no special insight on the matter. 

Today, according to a survey by The Harvard Crimson, Asian-American freshmen had higher SAT scores than any other ethnic group. It's not enough for them to be as good as everyone else: To get in, they have to be considerably better. 

The problem seems to be that, in the absence of measures to limit their representation, there would just be too many Asian-Americans. So, from all outward appearances, Harvard has a quota to prevent that unwanted result. 

Not all elite universities follow suit. At Caltech, reported Ron Unz in The American Conservative magazine, Asian-Americans are now nearly 40 percent of the student body. Likewise at the University of California, Berkeley, where racial preferences are against state law. At MIT, the figure is 30 percent. 

When Harvard President Drew Gilpin Faust met with the editorial board of The Chicago Tribune this month, she refused to discuss the topic, on the grounds that the university is being sued. It is, by two groups arguing that the school has violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964. 

But a bank of verbal fog from her chief counsel stresses Harvard's "holistic admissions process," aimed at "the goal of creating a vibrant academic community that exposes students to a wide range of differences: background, ideas, experiences, talents and aspirations." 

That statement conjures the familiar stereotype of Asian-American students as narrow, grade-obsessed nerds. In fact, they and their parents have figured out the obvious: If you want to get into an elite school, you'd better have not only excellent grades and SAT scores, but impressive extracurricular achievements. 

Rest assured, "well-rounded Asian-American student" is no longer an oxymoron—if it ever was. My roommate, a varsity fencer, was well-rounded enough to win a Rhodes Scholarship. 

As the complaint filed by the Coalition of Asian-American Associations noted, a study of UCLA applicants found "no correlation between race and 'personal achievement.'" There is no reason to think these youngsters are any narrower or nerdier than the typical Ivy League aspirant. 

Harvard can insist that its stable of admissions wizards has devised a secret formula to yield the ideal student body, and that the stable Asian-American share is just a meaningless oddity. But as Bill Clinton used to say, if you find a turtle on a fence post, you can be sure it didn't get there by accident. 

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  1. As half-Asian myself, I believe that a private institution like Harvard has the right to admit and reject whoever they would like. All that Harvard’s admissions process is doing, if this quota truly exists (I have a hunch that it does that it’s not the only Ivy League that does this, progressive utopias ironically have the tendency to be fundamentally racial in their core), is harming their own reputation as a university and reducing the appeal of their college to key demographics. If their admission cap on Asians hurts their applicant pool, and consequently their business, they will change. No need to force race-blind policies on them. If it’s bad for business, they’ll stop.

    1. *and that

      1. /TheZenomeProject (pulls pen and pad out) is Asian. Noted.

        1. Half-Asian. Or the term they used to use, “Eurasian”.

          1. Full, half, quarter…whatever.

          2. Yup, Eurasian indeed.

          3. We’re all African if you go back far enough…

            1. Not me. I’m Neanderthal.

              1. me too !

                1. You’re a couple of Homos.

              2. Denisovans represent!

                1. “But as Bill Clinton used to say, if you find a turtle on a fence post, you can be sure it didn’t get there by accident. ”

                  Bill Clinton is ***NOT*** familiar, methinks, with the near-magical powers of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Under-Turtles (especially when empowered with “booger beam”), who can transpose themselves into the upside-down, prone position on the fence-post top… Thereby claiming for themselves, the Uber-empowered, near-sacred position of PERSECUTED UNDER-TURTLE, Uber-victim above all victims of the biases and prejudices of the uneducated masses, who know NOTHING of the trials and tribulations of the under-turtles!!!

                  All I can sez is… Persecuted under-turtles of the world, unite!!!

                  (Asian turtles or not, machs nix).

          4. No, you’re Asian!

        2. Rufus doesn’t even have a spreadsheet.

    2. True,but,they take federal monies.And,if you can tell a bar owner he can’t allow smoking and can tell a baker to bake a cake you can damn sure tell Harvard who to let in. I’m sure the folks at Harvard are all for the other two examples.

      1. Turning “principals, not principles” against their admissions department? I actually kind of want to see that; considering their consistent support of top down social control, they deserve to try a taste of their own bitter medicine. I still think the better strategy to weaken Harvard and other Ivy League utopias is for some young prog idol to talk about how stale, boring, and predictable their social engineering is. That would cause such catastrophe to their applicant pool, enough for them to panic and change their admission strategy.

        1. Nah, the way to combat their asshattery is to confiscate their endowments in the name of fairness. Why should those bastions of the 1% of the 1% be allowed to perpetuate the patriarchy.

          1. No. Once the government starts that shit it will never stop. What we need to do is stir up the Alumni groups. They are routinely more conservative than the college administration, much less the faculty, and they’re where future funding comes from. Then see what can be done to enforce common sense interpretations of endowment constraints; the way college administrators flout the clearly expressed wishes of the people who willed them the money they play with is a open scandal.

            But for Christ’s sake DON’T drag the redistributionists on the government into this. They are on the side of the Harvard snobs.

        2. The only way to cause a catastrophic shift in their applicant pool is to break the idea that a Harvard degree is a ticket to success. So long as employers will hire a Harvard grad with no obvious issues (he doesn’t drool) before they will hire a graduate of Wassamatta U who has all the earmarks of a go-getter, Harvard will be sitting pretty.

          We are going to have to march the Proggie idiocy back through the Institutions. When an employer can reject an applicant without wondering is he’s going to be sued for racism, even though he hires a lot of (insert peevish minority group here), thence can (maybe) start to reexamine the notion of a college degree as a Union Card for getting a job. Then we can, perhaps, give serious thought to how many liberal arts majors does one society really NEED.

          Until then College is going to be cloud cuckoo land.

          1. Wassamatta U +1 Bullwinkle

          2. So long as employers will hire a Harvard grad with no obvious issues (he doesn’t drool) before they will hire a graduate of Wassamatta U who has all the earmarks of a go-getter, Harvard will be sitting pretty.

            This begs the question of why employers would “ire a Harvard grad with no obvious issues (he doesn’t drool) before they will hire a graduate of Wassamatta U who has all the earmarks of a go-getter”.

          3. So long as employers will hire a Harvard grad with no obvious issues (he doesn’t drool) before they will hire a graduate of Wassamatta U who has all the earmarks of a go-getter, Harvard will be sitting pretty.

            And by “employers”, you mean primarily state and federal governments, as well as government-connected professionals like lawyers, doctors, bankers, non-profit executives, activists, and stock brokers See, their success is not linked that much to their skill, it’s linked to having the right connections, and Harvard delivers on that very well. That’s also why universities like Harvard can afford to be racist in their admissions process: they don’t need to graduate the best people.

    3. Harvard is supposed to be there for the white liberal elite. Sure they might let in a black dude or Asian guy once in a while, but certaintly not too many. It will upset the whole liberal ecosystem.

      1. Progressive universities like Harvard just love to talk about how “diverse” and “open-minded” their student body makeup is, but imagine if African-Americans in the future somehow took over the over-achiever role of Asians today for whatever reason, let’s say because of the charter school effect as an example. That diversity facade the Ivies put up would IMO go away really quickly.

  2. Fuck Asians (I literally do), what I want to know is did Agile finally cross a couple streams of consciousness too many? That Cleveland cop thread turned odd at the end.

    1. You know how you should restart your computer at least once a month because you run into the danger that multiple little creeping errors build up to crash it?

      He’s been running for a decade straight.

    2. Doesn’t everybody else simply abandon the overnight threads once Agile shows up?

      1. Shit – that’s when I show up! Just to watch….

        /voyeur

    3. Fuck Asians (I literally do), what I want to know is did Agile finally cross a couple streams of consciousness too many? That Cleveland cop thread turned odd at the end.

      Was wondering about that too.

  3. “When I arrived in Cambridge for my freshman year in 1972, having grown up in Texas, I had never met an Asian-American.”

    I totally see a movie in this.

    Reminds me of the first time I met my first Jew and Blue blood Anglo in private Cegep.

    1. You are in Montreal?
      I see at least a couple of hasidic Jews in Home Depot every time I’m there. And blue blood Anglos are abundant in Westmount.

  4. “When Harvard President Drew Gilpin Faust met with the editorial board of The Chicago Tribune this month, she refused to discuss the topic, on the grounds that the university is being sued.”

    So she was bound by a confidentiality agreement? Dr. Faust signed some kind of deal?

    1. It was probably a bargain.

  5. The NBA needs to institute racial quotas. One Jeremy Lin does not diversity make.

      1. Reminds me of that SNL skit “NCAA: Best of the white guys”. http://nesn.com/2014/04/snl-sp…..dvd-video/

      2. Here’s the right link.

        Oh wait you said “Jump”. Sorry my mistake.

      3. I could have sworn I posted that guy a couple of weeks back.

      4. White men can’t jump is not racist… Because white men are the oppressors, of course.

        Black men cannot play chess or do physics equations? Can we do a movie about THAT?!?!?

  6. Oh, and Good Morning Peanuts!

    Will there be links today?

    1. You better provide some.

      Here’s an issue (racial preferences) on which your beloved Democrats are terrible, so try and deflect by copy-pasting something irrelevant about, say, Glenn Beck.

    2. Any comments on racist leftists trying to deny education to qualified kids because they belong to one of the ‘wrong’ races? No? Tell us again about those teabaggers.

        1. +2… Because I am twice as important as you! I am not “with child”, no… I am “with mouse in pocket”!

  7. OT: Death to the Pauls!
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cul…..simon.html
    “George came up to me at a party once and said “my Paul is to me what your Paul is to you.” He meant that psychologically they had the same effect on us. The Pauls sidelined us. I think George felt suppressed by Paul and I think that’s what he saw with me and my Paul.

    1. Art Garfunkel speaking of McCartney and Simon, not Ron and Rand…. Although it could be said for Steele and Preibus of Ron and Rand.

    2. Interesting trivia: they’re both famous because of something done without their consent. Their first recordings (as Tom & Jerry, and at least one was on a 78!) didn’t sell very well, and their album Wednesday Morning, 3 A.M. was a flop. And then:

      Meanwhile, in the United States, a late-night disc jockey at WBZ-FM in Boston played “The Sound of Silence”, where it found a college demographic. It was picked up the next day along the East Coast of the United States, down to Cocoa Beach, Florida. [Columbia producer Tom] Wilson, inspired by the folk rock sound of the Byrds’ cover of “Turn! Turn! Turn!” and Dylan’s “Like a Rolling Stone”, created a rock remix of the song with the same musicians who overdubbed the Dylan song. The remix of “The Sound of Silence” was issued in September 1965, where it reached the Billboard Hot 100. Wilson had not informed the duo of his intention to remix the track; as such, Simon was “horrified” when he first heard it.

      Supposedly Simon got a call in England telling him he had the #1 song in the US.

      “Which one?”

      “The folk-rock version of the ‘The Sounds of Silence.'”

      “But we never recorded a folk-rock version of the ‘The Sounds of Silence!'”

  8. OT:

    How afraid is the red/blue/media machine of Libertarians? The Today show did a feature on all those crazy republicans running for president this morning. They highlighted the problem of fitting 20 people on the debate stage and speculated that each campaign needed to have a strategy to make sure they were on the stage.

    The highlighted Huckabee, Trump, Bush and Fiorina. They had a series of collages of the faces of all of the candidates. All, except Rand Paul. I didn’t see his mug in any of the pictures. Cruz didn’t get a mention, but his face was there.

    So, even though he’s the leading candidate to defeat Dem frontrunner Clinton, Paul is so irrelevant that he didn’t even make the 20 face collages.

    The strategy worked pretty well against his dad and Gary Johnson last time around. Just keep repeating that he’s irrelevant. And crazy. And dangerous. Oh, and did I mention irrelevant? And unelectable…..

    1. I have notice this on FOX and MSNBC also..

    2. You can tell how badly the press wants Jeb–they lose a whole year’s worth of pre-made Bush/Clinton storylines if Rand gets nominated.

      1. Never attribute to political bias what can adequately explained by laziness?

        1. I suspect it’s a little of Column A, a little of Column B.

    3. One solution to the debate problem would be to hold multiple early debates with sub-groups. Lump them together in groups of 3 or 4 based on poll numbers. Use the Dutch System to make sure each group is diverse in poll numbers represented.

      After the first round of debates you eliminate half the field based on new poll numbers and repeat until you get down to a number small enough to put on one stage.

      1. My idea as well.

    4. I was told by a poster here that this is what the GOP actually wants. Yes, the poster was a fucking idiot.

    5. Everything Rand Paul does is deemed crazy by the media. They hate him because they are afraid he will disrupt the power of the federal government.

      This is what tells me beyond any reasonable doubt that the media is completely and utterly corrupted. They go to bat for the POWER of the Federal government at all costs. Of course, they prefer Team Blue, but they will take a Neo-Con or anyone who would further the statist agenda of an all encompassing and all powerful Federal government, and they won’t be that upset about it if it isn’t from Team Blue.

      Rand only stands a chance because less people are paying attention to them.

  9. I can’t really blame them. They want the status quo, and that means either getting Hillary or Jeb into the White House.

    1. Dynasticist love them some dynasties.

      Also, do they contrast that with a single picture of HILLARY!?
      Isn’t it better that the Lord Oligarchs and Court Scribes chose your candidates?

  10. But are they segregated?

    http://nypost.com/2015/05/24/t…..d-graders/

    1. That has to be the dumbest thing I’ve read recently. I include Tumblr posts in that.

    2. Saw that. It will be amusing when the school quietly closes its doors in a couple years.

    3. Amazing. Segregation returns to America, under the banner of anti-racist progressivism.

    4. a boy asks his Asian friend where he’s really from

      Horror of horror! I mean, obviously, if one inquires about the geographic origins of someone’s ancestry, that is obviously utterly racist!

  11. If it is true that Asian Americans do better on the SAT than other races, that can ONLY mean that the test has some sinister pro-Asian bias built into it.

    Because it absolutely cannot be the case that some racial or ethnic groups emphasize education more than others. No sir, any disparities are always the result of systemic, institutional racism. A progressive told me so.

    1. All cultures are not created equal. There I said it. Burn me at the stake. Twitter-shame me. Make me write bad checks.

      1. I’ve seen or heard what sometimes goes on with some friends who were raised in an “overachieving” environment and it’s often not pretty. One friend described the casual beatdowns he and his sister would receive if they didn’t perform as expected. Another had a father who really did a number on him and was so socially awkward he had to deal with constant bullying from other kids. Yeah, congratulations I guess but it’s not all sunshine.

        1. Didn’t say it was. I’m very familiar with some of the Tiger mom nuttiness. But it is still preferable to cultures which don’t emphasize academic achievement and work ethic.

        2. Gee – some parents go overboard. SHOCKED FACE!

          My mom just expected me to get A’s because I could. It was clear. My brother was allowed to get B’s, cause….that was kind of his zone.

          Although, as demonstrated on this board daily, I remain socially awkward, so…

          What were we talking about?

          *wanders off absent mindedly*

          1. Gee – some parents go overboard. SHOCKED FACE!

            “Going overboard” is a mild description of some of the horrors I’ve heard. Your family’s experience (and mine was similar) sounds like the right approach to me.

      2. All those Asian kids need to check their privilege.

    2. Emphasize education?

      Is that our euphemism for innate differences in intelligence?

      1. But around here, whenever somebody acknowledges the possibility of “innate differences in intelligence,” he gets accused of being Slappy or American or whatever other handle of that guy who always gets quickly banned.

        1. There is a difference between “acknowledging the possibility” and turning it into your raison d’etre for commenting. There is not a single viewpoint on these boards that will go unchallenged, although the quality of your critics is not guaranteed.

      2. No. Culture and genetics are different things.

        1. Someone got lost on their way to VDare.

          1. Wasn’t aware of that group. I find it funny that they use a white doe for their symbol. White deer tend to be genetic aberrations that carry defects.

            1. Is that related to the DARE anti-drug groups that give talks at grade schools? Keeping white kids off drugs? Meth in particular?

              In all seriousness, culture is certainly a determining factor in academic performance. But innate intelligence differences may well be present as well. Nature is apathetic to human principles, so there’s no more reason to expect she would make all equal in cognition than equal in physical capabilities.

          2. He’s right, though. On average, East Asians get the second-highest scores on intelligence tests. Ashkenazi Jews are #1, and whites are #3. (Which makes accusing whites of “racism” when they point this out pretty absurd.) That said, culture is also about 50% of it.

            1. He’s right, though.

              Statistics + Your pet theory ? Proof

              This grows tiresome. Just because the left screams “racism” if you even hint at race-based statistical disparities does not mean you have proven innate racial disparity. The 50% is pulled straight out of your ass; it could be 100% or 0% or anything in between.

              1. From my ass to you:

                [The authors] ploughed through fifty years of twin studies to assemble 14,558,903 partly dependent twin pairs drawn from 2,748 publications. […]

                The authors find that estimates of heritability cluster strongly within functional domains, and across all traits the reported heritability is 49%.

                1. Those of us brave enough to tackle what you tackle here in public, get lynched… We are RACISTS if we dare to attribute these differences in intellectual abilities to ANYTHING other than “whitee keepin’ me down”, which is the ONLY acceptable theory.

                  Meanwhile… Would you rather work for a technically brilliant boss who is a flaming asshole in personal relationships, or for a technically so-so boss who has genuinely decent ethics, compassion, and humility? I will take the 2nd case, hands down, all day, every day! … IQ is over-rated, and decent ethics and humility are under-rated. In today’s world of shit-on-your-co-workers, and “forced distribution” performance reviews, though, “nice guys finish last”, has been my experience… You want to suck-ceed??!?! Better combine your IQ of 130 with utter ruthlessness and geed, and THEN you will go places!

                  1. You only need be ruthless with those you know are ruthless, greedy only when you can take from the greedy.

            2. This always bothers me.

              ‘Ashkenazi Jews’ ARE white people.

              If we’re talking race–and ‘white’ suggests that we are….

              your statement reads thusly–

              On average, East Asians get the second-highest scores on intelligence tests. whites are #1, and whites are #3

              Now, one could suggest that whites and ‘east asians'(funny how any monolithic racial indicator has been eradicated from polite company) come out even since whites hold 1 and 3

              But, instead, faith is injected to create a false seperation.

              Why?

              So whites can avoid being on top.

      3. At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter. Set high standards and flunk out everyone who doesn’t meet them. If this means you graduate individuals completely out of proportion to their proportion of the population, then that is the way the cookie crumbles. We should be advocating for a return to meritocracy, not trying to play the blame game at a systematic level so that a failed system is perpetuated needlessly just to keep from ever holding anyone accountable for their actions.

        1. kbolino|5.26.15 @ 12:05AM|#
          “[…]If this means you graduate individuals completely out of proportion to their proportion of the population, then that is the way the cookie crumbles.[…]”

          Maybe we could deal with individuals!

    3. If Minh owns a nail salon that seats seventeen customers at a time and she employs eight of her family members and doesn’t pay them for three years of operation because she paid for their flight from China, how much can she make by being open for twelve hours a day for those three years?

      A: five dolla!

      B: accounting for compliance costs, licensure and taxes the answer varies by municipality

      C: fried chicken

      1. The correct answer is A. Always A.

        1. Also, fried chicken.

      2. Is “C” ? “A”?

      3. Regardless, whatever you want will be read in “TEN MINUTE! OK BYE!”

      4. It’s a bullshit question.
        Chevy didn’t make a 327 in ’55. The 327 didn’t come out til ’62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bellaire with the 4-barrel carburetor til ’64. However, in 1964 the correct ignition timing would be 4 degrees before top dead center.

        Also, Minh’s family is from Vietnam.

      5. You left out

        D: Why would Minh’s family members be coming from China???

  12. They just had to shoot him!

    http://www.wchstv.com/news/fea…..WMpNHA8KrU

    1. Otherwise he might have hurt himself.

      1. What do you think the proper response should be, when cops respond to a disturbance, and someone points a gun at them? Duck? Run? Hold up their hands and surrender?

        1. Any of those three would work better than what they did. The guy was in the middle of a breakdown and could have been taken down any number of ways that day don’t include a shooting gallery.

          1. So you’d recommend that police wait until a gun pointing at them is actually fired, before they shoot? Would you recommend the same duck/run/surrender options to anyone who has a gun pointed at them?

            1. So you’d recommend that police wait until a gun pointing at them is actually fired, before they shoot?

              Sadly, lots of people have this bizarre notion in their head that the police get things like “training” and “equipment” to deal with dangerous situations in ways that your average person can or would not. These fools might even believe that the police have a sincere desire to seek peaceful solutions, even when the other parties involved are being unruly or aggressive, rather than exercise deadly force at the soonest legal opportunity.

              Personally, I think everyone should be disabused of this fiction, and the police seem eager to spread the word that they are not, in fact, better than anyone else and thus probably don’t deserve to collect a union-protected paycheck at taxpayer expense. At the very least, they should not be called for any situation that doesn’t require (or already have) a dead body or two.

  13. Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans?

    I am sure that all the intellectuals, celebrities, business executives, etc., who reacted with outrage against Indiana for passing a law that possibly, maybe, could somehow have been used to protect business owners who object to gay marriage will react with equal vigor to this act of hatred, intolerance, and Asiophobia. Right? And the NCAA will threaten to expel Harvard from its ranks just as it threatened to move out of Indianapolis. Right?

    1. *crickets*

      1. it is almost as if perverts and deviants are in vogue, while Asians are not.

  14. Thomas Sowell always points out it’s not really ‘diversity’. If you ask any administrator, “What’s diversity? What does that mean?” you’ll get a word salad of feel good platitudes, but you won’t get a real definitional answer.

    And it’s skin diversity, not class diversity. The black kids going to places like Harvard are the sons and daughters of former Harvard grads, or very successful upper class parents and upbringing. Very rarely there is a ghetto rags to riches/Harvard story of the affirmative action kid who escaped and made good. I suspect the same with Asians.

    1. I’m not a big fan of D’Souza, but Illiberal Education covers this topic very well.

      1. Ghetto kids can’t meet their ‘holistic’ admission standards even if they wanted to. It’s designed to skew heavily towards allowing in those of the upper class.

    2. Harvard has a shit-ton of first-gen Asian-Americans who come from working class families. I would bet a shiny nickel that there is a considerably higher percentage of working class Asian kids than there are white kids, as Asian students are far less likely to be legacies for obvious reasons.

    3. The black kids going to places like Harvard are the sons and daughters of former Harvard grads,

      Often they’re the imported ruling classes of African kleptocracies.

  15. Um, hello, does no one recognie

    DEY TUK RRR JERBZ EDRRKAYSHUNZZZ!!!

  16. “[…]Harvard’s “holistic admissions process,”[…]”

    ‘Ya know, if we put blacks into white infantry units, well, it disturbs the white members, and cuts into their fighting abilities! So even if blacks do well, the whole unit suffers!’
    I’m sure Harvard has as much evidence as the bigots who made those sorts of claims

  17. Hard to get too worked up about a group that is only over represented 4x instead of 6x.

    I think the real issue is that Asians don’t donate.

    1. It’s very easy to get worked up over it if you, you know, actually think about people as individuals.

      Asians are some collective entity that demonstrate hive mind. Their are real kids who are frankly more qualified than those Harvard allows in getting rejected because of their skin tone.

      Substitute Asian for black or Latino and there would be outrage. Substitute white and it’s still just as wrong.

      1. Ultimately though, I expect that;s what;s going to happen: they’ll cave eventuallu and start letting in more Asians at the expense of white students/

        Anyone who thinks bringing up anti-Asian discrimination will induce colleges to become meritocratic is sorely mistaken; it’s an issue progressives can actually get onboard with, and here’s how the narrative reads: white students are taking precious admissions slots away from Asians, a marginalized minority, oh, the horror of white privilege.

        1. White students who are qualified should get in, too, but I”m not going to look at bulk statistics of another race that is ‘overrepresented’ according to some ridiculous notion that the goal of an academic institution is to create a racial (if not intellectual) microcosm of society.

          I’m arguing this because letting in qualified Asians is right. As for progressives – Asians are not one of their protected victim groups and they frequently argue that they the rules of white privilege don’t apply to them. Because it’s inconvenient to their narrative that people of color can’t succeed because of systematic racism.

    2. Hard to get too worked up about a group that is only over represented 4x instead of 6x.

      Sounds like what they were saying about Jews back during the 20s.

    3. Hard to get too worked up about a group that is only over represented 4x instead of 6x.

      As far as the government is concerned, they are exactly as “represented” as the institution wants them to be. Since the students are not selected at random from the population, there is no reason to believe that their proportion of the student population should have any connection their proportion of the population-at-large. In fact, relative to the criteria for admissions, they are under represented, which is the entire point of the article.

      I think the real issue is that Asians don’t donate.

      That may be so, although it is difficult to say that a particular applicant will or will not be a major donor twenty years in the future.

      It may also be the case that the criteria for admission are easily gamed and Asians are as a group better at doing just that (which is in itself a form of merit, I suppose, although one of questionable utility), but Harvard et al. can’t or won’t devise better criteria, and so impose a quota to hide this failing.

      1. overrepresented by proportion of population
        underrepresented by test score merit

        These exist in a zerosum fashion. If you let in low scoring minorities you will have to disallow high scoring ‘someone else’s’.

        You can’t have inorganic (compelled) diversity and meritocracy.They feed from the exact same trough.

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    1. I’m still wondering if everyone killed was shot by a cop.

  20. Holistic means which student is able to pad their resume with pointless extracurricular activities and got to visit Europe over the summer. That’s a real experience that helps build the well rounded types Harvard loves. Not having a job or anything like that…

    Every time they use the word ‘holistic’ they are just talking about judging students on more and more arbitrary grounds. Ones that overwhelmingly favor students from wealthier families. Some girl played the cello and went backpacking in Spain. What a worldly little darling…

    We see the results of Ivy League education all the time in the media. It’s not pretty. They’re overrated shit holes filled with leftwing group think.

    That they have a twisted notion of ‘diversity’ and collectivize entire races of people in their admissions process is just icing on the shit cake.

    1. Agreed in general. Cornell, Princeton, and Penn are actually useful schools but they’re not what people think of when we talk Ivy League.

      1. I went to Princeton — let me assure you that while it is possible to get a real education, there were plenty of kids who spent their time doing “sustainable development projects” and taking sociology classes where their heads were filled with the usual rubbish about power and oppression.

        I majored in math like a good little Asian boy and so the pretentious progressive rich white kids didn’t care much for me.

    2. Why do employers value Ivy League degrees?

      1. It’s a brand name. And what employers value it the most? The media and government are two employers that place a premium on those credentials. There is little accountability or measure of value/ability. Then you have the financial sector where you have what a post below called a ‘good old boy’ network.

      2. It’s short-hand credentialing. If you hire an Ivy Leaguer, there’s no guarantee that she will be well-trained in some specialized field, but you have a good chance of finding someone with a strong work ethic and well above-average intelligence.

        1. So basically, employers perceive Ivy League graduates to have almost the work ethic and well-above average intelligence of federal service academy graduates?

          1. Unless federal service academy graduates have an average ACT score of 32+ and corresponding IQs, no.

  21. The good news is that at this point, Harvard has become second-tier unless you want to be in a profession that is heavily dependent on an ol’ boy network — mainly government and the professions intimately dependent on it (such as law and lobbying). It hasn’t quite fallen as far as Yale or Dartmouth in the useful arts and sciences, but it’s on its way.

    On academic grounds alone, I’d rather send my kid to Caltech or MIT or probably 20 other colleges before Harvard. Once you factor in the statist poison in their culture, I’d probably choose a community college over it.

    1. What about West Point or Annapolis?

      1. Depends on what the government intends to do with the military, doesn’t it? Especially as they run out of money to pay the military.

        1. I would rather hire a West Point graduate than a Harvard graduate.

          1. Absolutely – but that presupposes that they rejected a lifetime career as an Army officer, which I think tends to underline my point.

            1. Unless you run a part of the Army?

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  23. UC STEREOTYPES EXPLAINED

    How does an Asian adapt to bro-life? Goodbye clams with black bean sause. Hello clam chowder.

    UCI, a.k.a.
    – University of Chinese Immigrants
    – University of Civis and Integras
    – University of Oh My God There Are a Ton of Asians Here!!

    But more seriously, there’s this old article from NPR: What Happens Without Affirmative Action: The Story Of UCLA
    Funny how they don’t consider Asians minorities.

    UCLA realized there was a problem, so it decided to start something called “holistic review,” taking into consideration a wide range of factors in its admissions decisions ? from GPA, to family income, to whether an applicant was the first in the family to go to college. Race was not one of the factors, but indeed, the percentages of black and Latino students began to rebound.

    Then things got complicated again.

    Last year, a UCLA professor released a study claiming the school was letting some black and Latino students in at higher rates than white or Asian students who should have ranked just the same under the new holistic review.

    1. A school full of Asians…the horror.

      “so it decided to start something called “holistic review,” taking into consideration a wide range of factors in its admissions decisions ? from GPA, to family income, to whether an applicant was the first in the family to go to college.”

      Sort of like what I said above. “Holistic” means a bunch of arbitrary nonsense that has nothing to do with academic ability, intelligence, or ability to succeed in college. It’s a code word.

    2. University of Chinese Brainiacs, LOL.

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    1. Crazy is an equal-opportunity disease.

    2. Her and half of the world’s population. Your point?

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  26. Wait! There’s another race beside black and white?

  27. Asians students obtain knowledge through rote memorization and by the books instruction. If you read sentences (grammatically sound) written by Asian students who JUST got here, you would immediately tell some of them never understood English in an organic way.

    They see a lot of pop culture language that’s referenced in Hollywood films. So they actually get some bathroom humor talk in rom coms but if I said something like “That’s dime a dozen” they’ll be like “what does that mean”.

    Anyways, that’s one of the reasons why they do well in the SATs. And the government decided to add an essay section (they got rid of the analogies, if I’m not mistaken) to make it….. interesting.

    I just hope the recent false rape allegations open people’s eyes to the futility of creating some meta societies in which everyone has to be represented equally and random laws can be created to cater to sensibilities. Most people just don’t care if a CSI show has 80% white cast.

    1. Asian Americans don’t score that much higher than “white” Americans, and much of that is likely due to the fact that many Asian-Americans students are only a couple of generations removed from first-gen immigrants (meaning people who are generally smarter and more industrious than average). And the idea that “Asian” is a meaningful term when it encompasses everyone from Mongolians to Vietnamese to Thai is as goofy as lumping Oklahomans and Russians together under the category of white people. It’s no wonder that discussions over race tend to be so dim-witted when the categories themselves are ridiculous.

      The big scandal of testing has always been that “black” Americans have much lower average standardized test scores than everyone else, the gap between black and white Americans being much larger than the gap between white and Asian Americans. There are plenty of arguments as to why that is, cultural, genetic, etc., but it’s not so much that Asians lap the field as it is that African-Americans lag way behind everyone else.

      And of course first-gen immigrants who don’t speak English aren’t going to know English in an organic way. The brain develops grammar naturally, and they’re being forced to learn from a textbook. That has nothing to do with the Asian way of learning via rote memorization, which is just a better, stricter version of how 98% of American children learn in their shitty schools.

      1. I’m talking about Asian academic system in general. Their schools are infamous for stifling creativity, promoting nationalism, and emphasizing enormous amount of studying that values quantity over quality. The end goal is position and prestige. You should see some of their ridiculously difficult test questions. They’re basically designed to filter out the elite from the dreadful A- crowd.

        Some of that extends to the bevy of Asian ran SAT schools and academies in the country. I spent countless hours of my teenage years in those study mills.

        That’s the knock on these Asian students. They’re good at soaking in a lot of data but the output is sometimes limited. Just because you can write grammatically correct sentences doesn’t mean it’s goodl prose.

        You’ll often hear that the Asians almost always talk about their (tear inducing)immigrant experience or their community service / fine arts experience in their college application essays. In the days of yore those letters were slam dunks, and the trend driven Asians recognized it. But now those are so commonplace that Asians have to think outside the box.

        Whites undoubtedly score as well as Asians, but those guys don’t have stiff competition for their own ranks who zero in on certain schools and degrees. White college kids sometime VOLUNTARILY go to a lesser school despite being accepted to better ones for personal tastes. “I like the community around the college better” As an Asian that sounds like the craziest thing ever.

    2. Anyways, that’s one of the reasons why they do well in the SATs. And the government decided to add an essay section (they got rid of the analogies, if I’m not mistaken) to make it….. interesting.

      While it is probably not immune from government pressure in many ways, the SAT is developed and administered by the College Board, a private nonprofit organization.

  28. Caltech is a superior institution to Harvard, since they don’t exclude the best students for racist motives.

    -jcr

    1. Harvard has never tried to be a “better” academic institution than another; it’s never pretended to accept only the brightest physicists or mathematicians or the best poets.

      The admissions committee has always been upfront about giving precedence to a well-rounded student body, meaning that it’s full of legacies whose families have been shelling out to Harvard for generations and borderline candidates who got in due to an interesting or unusual personal background.

      The Feynmans of the world have always gone to CalTech or Harvey Mudd. Harvard is full of future physicians, politicians, lawyers, and CEOs.

      1. Harvard is about power, not academic excellence.

  29. “But as Bill Clinton used to say, if you find a turtle on a fence post, you can be sure it didn’t get there by accident.”

    In response to a Sam Donaldson query about Monica’s dress stain, if I remember correctly.

  30. What’s with all of the bashing of liberals and progressives? Libertarians are actually liberal/progressive as well. In fact, it’s what makes libertarianism so special. Some of you are so obsessed with “free markets” that you’ve lost the very humanity you were presumably born with. Some of you need to get your heads checked.

    1. Progressives are bashed because they’re the primary enemies of freedom as supporters of the all powerful regulatory state.

    2. Some of you are so obsessed with “free markets” that you’ve lost the very humanity you were presumably born with. Some of you need to get your heads checked.

      What is this “humanity” and where is its predictive power? Because as far as I can see, it is by the grace of a very small handful of people, few if any of whom are the objects of progressives’ worship, that you can stand above your primitive and impoverished forebears and exercise the luxury of reflective thought, although I daresay you haven’t quite got the spirit of it yet.

    3. @Tom S,

      Libertarians are ‘classical liberals’, not to be at all confused with contemporary liberal progressives, who display characteristics much more akin to fascism/communism.

      If we do not have free markets then we are not free to be the humans we were born to be.

      You need to get your head out of your clacker.

      1. While I agree that progressives are forever in pursuit of expanded government, it’s laughable that you think that “free markets” are somehow natural as institutions. This is a common fallacy repeated by many libertarians — libertarianism is not the natural state of society. The arc of history clearly doesn’t naturally tend towards libertarianism — it takes WORK to build a society that’s truly free.

  31. Affirmative action that gives a “leg up” to some inevitably gives a boot in the face to others.

    The Progressive Theocracy can’t rely on White Guilt to cow Asian Americans. Maybe white Americans will finally get some relief from institutionalized racism thanks to Asian Americans.

  32. This is an awfully tame take on the issue. Ron Unz, at the American Conservative, posted a long, thoroughly researched take on the issue, arguing that the biggest reason why Asians aren’t “appropriately over-represented at the Ivies is not quotas for blacks or Hispanics but because of the “inappropriate” over-representation of Jewish students.

    I riffed on Ron’s work here (links included)

    http://avanneman.tumblr.com/po…..study-says

  33. Systemic institutionalized racism does indeed still exist. It’s called Affirmative Action.

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