Jeb Bush

Here's the Question Reporters Should be Asking Jeb Bush (and Hillary Clinton and all the Rest)

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So Gov. Jeb Bush has flubbed massively in his attempt to answer an obvious question about whether we should have invaded Iraq knowing that there were no weapons of mass destruction.

As Jack Shafer put it at Politico:

The fact that Bush didn't speak with absolute clarity about his Iraq War views signals that (1) he hasn't done his homework; (2) he didn't expect the question; or (3) he still thinks the war was a good idea that wasn't prosecuted directly. Or, god forbid, maybe a combination of all three.

Over at National Review, Reason contributor Veronique de Rugy says the question itself is besides the point. She suggests that

A better question…would have been: "What has the experience of the Iraq War taught you today that you, and most members of Congress, didn't know back then? And how will this lesson inform your presidency?"

And a good answer to that, in my opinion, would be: "I've learned that we politicians often don't have the correct information, and that our policies can have serious unintended and negative consequences." Or if Bush wanted to really embrace his inner nerd, he could have said, "Forty years ago, the economist F.A. Hayek delivered a lecture called 'The Pretense of Knowledge,' in which he forcefully challenged all those who believe that government has the wisdom or ability to successfully plan the economic and social affairs of society accurately. Well, I have learned that the pretense of knowledge is one of the biggest problems we have in politics. It plagues both the executive and the legislative decision-making process, and the failures can be seen in domestic and foreign policy. The Iraq War experience has taught me that, on the eve of making big policy moves, we must be more humble about the possibility we'll be very wrong about the consequences of our actions."

Read the full article.

That sounds about right. Just like generals, politicians (and voters!) too often fight the last wars, or are at least obsessed with them (recall Bush I's crowing that success in the first Gulf War meant the United States had "kicked the Vietnam Syndrome once and for all").

Iraq was a gigantic and preventable mistake, both in conception and in prosecution. But the question for today's candidates are not about time travel and second guessing. It's about how they would engage events in the future. And so far it seems there's little reason to feel upbeat about foreign policy come 2017.

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  1. Does pretense of knowledge include the belief that FoE shall always be first?

    1. FoE will always be first…in your heart. All you need to do is believe!

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          1. a human clapping can bring a fairy back to life.

            a fairy clapping kills a bakery.

            1. I chuckled.

  2. Southwest Airline refuses to let woman call suicidal husband. He was later found dead. On the bright side they offered to refund her ticket.

    1. They suck. Who would want to travel by their cattle cars in the sky? What a miserable experience.

      1. They used to be substantially cheaper than most other airlines on many of their routes. However, that no longer appears to be the case.

        1. During the “gas crisis” (that Mac, Charlie, and Dennis so valiantly tried to solve) in and around 2008 where fuel prices skyrocketed, Southwest had amazing prices because they had just previously bought five year’s supply of fuel…at a fixed price. So their fuel costs were WAY cheaper than other airlines, and they slashed ticket prices accordingly (which I took definite advantage of). That’s partly why they were so much cheaper for years.

          However, they’re still cheaper. I just looked into flights to CT and Southwest is still the cheapest by a bit. Not as much as when they had their prepaid fuel, but still a bit better.

          Plus I like their unassigned seating. I just head straight for the back and hope to get a row all to myself. It used to work very well.

          1. It used to work very well.

            Well, why’d you start showering, fancypants?

            1. Showering? I just wear gallons of Axe. The women are so attracted to me they’re afraid to sit near me because they might rape me. Same for the guys. Yet no one does. Well, except you. But that’s not rape-rape. It’s more AIIIGGGGHHHHH-rape.

              1. You’re Persian? That makes a lot of sense now.

              2. Not all people who wear Axe body spray are rapists, but all rapists wear Axe body spray.

                1. It functions as a low grade chloroform when you grab its fucking leg…

                2. True, some of them are middle schoolers.

          2. They have also done ‘way better at being on-time than the competition.
            I took a flight from San Diego to SFO once, delayed in San Diego for no SW reasons, and that guy put it to the panel; made up something more than 15 minutes in a 1.5 hour flight!
            I didn’t think they had that much in reserve.

            1. They also have more routes into and out of the secondary, less clusterfucked airports in major metro areas which is nice. I’ll take Midway over O’Hare any day of the week.

            2. Direct, that’s a 50 minute flight. As soon as ATC gets involved, it’s a different story.

      2. Creatures who like leather seats, non-stop flights, and decent customer service?…. Biotch

      3. Creatures who like leather seats, non-stop flights, and decent customer service?…. Biotch

      4. I say this as a substantial shareholder:

        I don’t think you are our demographic. Thanks, though.

      5. Flying sucks. All planes are built for people about half a foot shorter than me.

        1. Preach it, brother.

      6. All airlines are cattle cars. They ALL suck. SW just sucks for less.

      7. If you think flying on Southwest is “cattle car” style, try flying on Spirit or one of the Euro discount airlines.

        1. Spirit is the cheapest way to get to the Bahamas. I’ve made that mistake before.

      8. People who can’t afford better but don’t want to be stuck on the Greyhound cattle car. for 6 times as long.

    2. Without reading the article, I doubt that’s the case.

      1. Yep. FAA regulations. Nice try.

        1. So there was an FAA employee slapping her phone down?

          1. Metaphorically, yes. They get fined heavily, and even prosecuted for not following the rules.

            That’s the beauty (if that’s the right word) of the FAA system. They make other people enforce the rules.

            Try landing with your seat reclined. Just try it.

            1. And that’s putting aside the fact that this woman’s story is not believable. I literally don’t believe one word of it.

              1. I’m her husband and I vouch for every word of it.

        2. Much like many of the two-hour delays at airports are really down to ATC and not the airlines?

          1. The cookie that I mailed you is on one of those airlines. I hope it gets to you in one piece.

    3. They got on their knees, put their hats over their heart and gave me the, ‘I regret to inform you that your husband has died,'”Momsen-Evers said.

      Er. That doesn’t sound standard.

      1. Oh, er. Right. She likely collapsed when she saw the police. That’s… okay. Never mind.

      2. I was going to flag that one, too.

      3. It almost sounds like a lie. Almost.

    4. I like that they included a poll asking what respondents would have done. Classy.

    5. Not reading it, but if I think someone I love is in danger, then the response to “You can’t do that” is “Fuck off”.

      1. That’s why I’m throwing a flag on the whole story. Someone is looking for deep pockets.

        1. I’d settle for hot pockets.

          1. Ham? or Peperoni?

        2. I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt, but then again, I don’t own any stock in Southwest.

    6. Sounds like a couple of stewards who would make excellent government employees.

      Rules are rules.

  3. Here’s a question to ask him:

    What makes you think swing voters want a third Bush?

    P.S. Are there any other Bushs planning to run for President, or are you the last one?

    I hope things change soon, but if either of the current frontrunners in either party wins this race, I’ll be about ready to give up on the American people.

    I’ll always stand up for the principles of freedom, the rule of law, the best principles of the Constitution, etc., but damn, I thought we were suffering these losers because we were in crisis mode after crisis mode from 9/11 to the housing bust. I shudder to think the American people have become such degenerates that they really want either another Bush or that scumbag Hillary Clinton for emperor.

    There ain’t no way I’m voting for Bush.

    And voting for Hillary after she accepted donations from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State–are you kidding me? If the American people weren’t such degenerates/insane, she’d have fled the country months ago and would be hiding out in a Russian airport somewhere begging for asylum from Ecuador or Putin.

    1. In that world is Edward Snowden a candidate for president?

      1. In that world, he never left the country.

        The American people wouldn’t stand for seeing him prosecuted–not for telling the American people the truth.

        1. I agree. I just couldn’t help noticing the parallel.

    2. What makes you think swing voters want a third Bush?

      Total Recall?

    3. What makes you think swing voters want a third Bush?

      The Bush name is the gold standard in the GOP.

      They are batting .750 and it might be 1.000 if not for Ross Perot.

      1. Did Nate Silver come up with that garbage? The GOP will choose Jeb over other contenders because numbers don’t lie?

        Sometimes I think you just don’t get the benefit of the doubt. You’re trying to fit in, in your awkward, chafing way, and others here don’t give you credit when you’re just being as facetious as the rest of us. So I’m going to read this as a weak attempt at sarcasm rather than a weak attempt at team red baiting.

      2. “The Bush name is the gold standard in the GOP.”

        I asked about swing voters. Why was your answer about the GOP?

        You should be Obama’s press secretary.

    4. It’s almost promising how little it matters to American voters that we’re cumulatively considering accepting dynastic political families. It’s a sign that the administrative state will lose supporters and abiders and die a death of attrition.

    5. “I’ll be about ready to give up on the American people…”

      Don’t rule them out yet. They are a plucky and resouseful lot, and viscious if pushed. And remember the American people don’t elect the president. That is the priviledge of the electoral college.

  4. What has the experience of the Iraq War taught you today that you, and most members of Congress, didn’t know back then?

    For me the answer to that is simple – Never assume that the government has the knowledge it pretends to have or has thought through the issues they claim to be addressing in any but the most perfunctory manner. They really are winging it.

    1. “What has the experience of the Iraq War taught you today that you, and most members of Congress, didn’t know back then?”

      The problem is that they ignored a tremendous amount of knowledge they already had back then.

      Particularly in regards to the Powell/Weinberger Doctrines.

      1) Is a vital national security interest threatened?
      2) Do we have a clear attainable objective?
      3) Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
      4) Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
      5) Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
      6) Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
      7) Is the action supported by the American people?
      8) Do we have genuine broad international support?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Doctrine

      The Iraq War failed at least seven out of eight of those questions.

      And answering most of those questions in the affirmative had guided just about every decision we made about military commitments–since the beginning of the Reagan Administration.

      In fact, the reason we didn’t depose Saddam Hussein in ’91 is because we wanted to avoid what happened after 2003.

      I.e., we aren’t learning any new lessons. These are the same lessons we used to know. These are the lessons Jeb’s father knew. The are the lessons Jeb’s father’s cabinet and military advisers all knew.

    2. And, don’t mistake credentials for competence…

  5. Yeah, here’s the question everyone should ask Hillary but no one ever does:

    Mrs. Clinton, if you’re elected to be the President of the United States, will you continue to accept donations from foreign governments?

    1. I’d like to know if she’s figured out yet what difference, at this point, it makes.

  6. As seen on Drudge.

    Cops Find Woman On CRAIGSLIST Date Tied With Bag Over Head In Man’s Car…

    ‘Guy Looked Nothing Like Picture He Sent’…

    1. ‘Guy Looked Nothing Like Picture He Sent’…

      I get that a lot.

      1. You really gotta stop using that GEICO gecko photo.

    2. I don’t want to rush to any judgments here, but that guy might not have been a straight john….

    3. Wait, the bag over the head sounds more like she looked nothing like the picture she sent. I mean, false advertising, amitrite?

    4. The comments are hilarious

  7. The RCMP always gets its [topless wo]man

    http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/…..wa-streets

  8. Oh, as to the article, the point of asking Bush isn’t to find out what foreign policy he’d pursue as President, but to bait him by making him choose between denouncing his brother’s signature policy or approving an unpopular war.

    It’s all about the “gotcha,” not about serious policy discussion.

    1. I’ll give the media credit, it’s a better gotcha than the usual “do you agree with the vice-chairman of the Dubuque, Iowa Republicans who said Hillary Clinton is ugly? Does such sexism have a role in political debate?”

      1. I will have you know I was the chairman of dubuque county republicans and I resemble that statement.

      2. 1. Yes, yes I do.
        2. No I do not.

    2. Why can’t he just say “George is not the bright one in the family”?

      That way he distances himself from that colossal failure.

      1. Did the same thing happen to you at Thanksgiving dinner?

        1. I need to refresh more often.

          1. The Bush Fan Club boys pipe in together.

            Do you two soap each other up?

            1. There could be another reason why the testimony of several independent witnesses matches up, on, say, the subject of your idiocy.

            2. Palin’s Buttplug|5.14.15 @ 8:58PM|#
              “The Bush Fan Club boys pipe in together.”

              Turd, you’ve posted that lie time and again and every time you do I call you on it:
              Cite ONCE when I defended W, just once.
              Go fuck your daddy.

            3. The Bush Fan Club boys pipe in together.

              Do you two soap each other up?

              Does it make you hot?

              1. Count me out. I just use Axe Body Spray.

                1. Ah, the old ‘liberty call shower’.

            4. You dodged the question. So your family DOES like you?

              Go ahead, tell me how it’s all their fault. It’s raining here, I’m not going anywhere.

              1. My family all died in a tornado that ripped through Dogdick, Ga back in the oughts.

                1. Palin’s Buttplug|5.14.15 @ 9:44PM|#
                  “My family all died in a tornado that ripped through Dogdick, Ga back in the oughts.”

                  The world grieves that it missed you.

                2. Too bad you weren’t with them.

                  1. It’s considered a total loss.

                    1. Trouser-Pod|5.14.15 @ 10:06PM|#
                      “It’s considered a total loss.”

                      No sentient beings survived.

                    2. died in a tornado

                      “Somewhere, over the rainbow…”

      2. Palin’s Buttplug|5.14.15 @ 8:42PM|#
        “Why can’t he just say “George is not the bright one in the family”?”

        Prolly for the same reason your daddy doesn’t; he’s trying to be nice in spite of the evidence.

    3. They may ask it as a “gotcha” question because they’re partisan mendacious fucks, but it is nevertheless a valid question and if Jeb had an iota of integrity and intellect (which he doesn’t), he would have denounced his brother’s signature policy in a heartbeat. I agree with my sister on virtually nothing and if she were to run for office and someone asked me if I agree on her position on education for example I would readily castigate it as complete hogwash. We’d still love eachother at the end of the day.

      1. Apparently Rubio’s answer to the same question was along the lines of “If we knew then what we know now, I would not have invaded Iraq and neither would George W. Bush.”

        Don’t know if he’s right about that but it’s a better answer than Jeb’s.

        1. What’s strange is that there is question whether W would have invaded if he knew what we know now, while one who certainly did know (by the time he was elected) and does know continued the war and continues it to this day.

      2. Yes, he should have the balls to simply stand up and say that (knowing what we know now), he wouldn’t have done it. But, he knows perfectly well that this response would lead to the media mis-characterizing it as him having said that he disagrees with W’s choice (which was (to an extent) not made knowing what we know now). He wants to be absolutely clear that he is not disagreeing with W’s choice..

        You refer to your sister, but you miss the point. You disagree with your sister while Jeb agrees with his brother. His brother was already the president and has a crapload of (terrifyingly deluded) supporters. So Jeb wants to make certain that he does nothing to alienate those supporters because they are HIS core supporters. It’s not about love for his brother, it’s about love for his brother’s voters.

  9. Morgan Spurlock is moving up in the world, now he’s producing a Disney movie about a princess!

    The real-life basis of the movie is a guy who established a Kingdom of North Sudan in an (allegedly) unclaimed patch of desert between Sudan and Egypt. He made his daughter a princess. Also, he plans to develop energy and agricultural facilities in his kingdom to help Africans.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/…..are-white/

    1. Suck it, Spurlock.

      http://www.today.com/health/ma…..2D79329158

    2. I’m in for $25, this gives me a title of nobility. From now on all of you shall address me as Sir!

    3. “a guy who established a Kingdom of North Sudan in an (allegedly) unclaimed patch of desert between Sudan and Egypt. He made his daughter a princess. Also, he plans to develop energy and agricultural facilities in his kingdom to help Africans.”

      IOW, colonialism

      1. Well, post-colonialism hasn’t worked out so well, so why not give colonialism another chance?

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    1. You know who else had the first name Adolph?

      1. Adolph Coors?

        1. By far the worst Adolph who has ever lived.

      2. Rupp?

      3. Would Adolphe Adam count, what with the variant spelling and all?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Adam

      4. A Dolph Lundgren?

        1. You’re not taking this silly game at all seriously, are you?

      5. The Adolphus Hotel, if you disregard the last two letters?

        1. The Adolphus Hotel, if you disregard the last two letters?

          Adolphus Hot?

          1. Hmmm….touche`, my friend.

      6. My Grandpa? (Scandinavian, but he still used his initials because… you know)

      7. Adolph Zukor?

      8. One of my co-workers when I was in recruiting? (he called himself “Al” – wonder why?)

      9. My great grandfather? I’m said to like him.

        1. It’s been said I look like him.

          1. *squints* You weren’t born in Brazil by any chance?

      10. Adolphe Sax?

        1. Is that like when Goku and Vegeta merged to defeat Majin Buu?

      11. Adolph Topperwein?

  11. Ask that Jebbie Bushie about Jade Helm 15 and if he is against martial law for Texass.

    Let’s get to the real important GOP debate topics!

  12. Russ Feingold, the only Senator to have voted against the PATRIOT SPY ON AMERICA Act and the Iraq War — is running to take his seat back.

    I hope you “true libertarians” support him.

    1. One of 23, dear.

      1. AND is the operative word. Look it up while the night is young my good man.

    2. You mean Russ Feingold, the anti-Free Speech asshole behind McCain Feingold?

      1. Yes. That asshole.

        They all suck in at least one category.

    3. Palin’s Buttplug|5.14.15 @ 9:28PM|#
      “I hope you “true libertarians” support him.”

      Pretty sure no one here would think to deprive you of the pleasure 0f carrying his water.

    4. Is that the same guy from “McCain-Feingold”? Fuck him.

  13. RCP poll average:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.c…..-3823.html

    Jeb leading. then Scott Walker, and Taco Rubio in third.

    Then the rest of the weaklings.

  14. The Bush Klan is to the GOP as the Walton family is to Wal-Mart.

    It is that tight!

  15. Morbo demands an answer to the following question: If you saw delicious candy in the hands of a small child would you seize and consume it?

    1. Is Jeb puny human #1, puny human #2, or Morbo’s good friend?

  16. Speaking of Jeb Bush, a random 19 year old college student accused GW Bush of being at fault for ISIS so of course the New York Times did a profile on her because they’re definitely not an organization run by partisan hacks or anything.

    My favorite part of the back and forth between her and Jeb:

    She added: “Your brother created ISIS.”

    Mr. Bush interjected. “All right. Is that a question?”

    Ms. Ziedrich was not finished. “You don’t need to be pedantic to me, sir.”

    “Pedantic? Wow,” Mr. Bush replied.

    So this girl is retarded and doesn’t know what words mean. Hint: If you’re at a Q&A session and someone says ‘so are you going to ask me a question?’ when you’re in the middle of giving a soliloquy, they’re not being pedantic, they’re just asking that you ask them a question as is the general point of a Q&A.

    The thing is, the Bush administration is to a decent extent to blame for ISIS making inroads into Iraq because there’s no way that would have happened if Saddam were still there, but I don’t know how they’re responsible for ISIS existing at all when ISIS started in Syria, a nation we never invaded.

    1. Obama’s also absolutely to blame for ISIS holding territory in Libya since our ouster of Qaddafi gave them that opportunity. There’s plenty of blame to go around and it’s just funny watching the New York Times behave as if this doctrinaire leftist teenager is worthy of multiple profiles in the newspaper because she talked shit about Jeb Bush.

      1. If you say “George W. Bush” to a Times staffer, you get a reaction so hysterical and rabid it makes an Irishman to whom Oliver Cromwell is mentioned look restrained and moderate.

    2. Jesus, what a stupid fucking cunt.

      “A Bush was trying to blame ISIS on Obama’s foreign policy ? it was hilarious,” said Ms. Ziedrich, who attends the University of Nevada. “It was like somebody crashing their car and blaming the passenger.”

      Yeah, because “a” Bush, i.e., a different Bush, wouldn’t also be the equivalent of a passenger in that metaphor, if you agreed with her about W.

      But I bet someone here would fuck her so you deserve the retards among you.

      1. “It was like somebody crashing their car and blaming the passenger.”

        Just when I thought I’d finished with the Edward Kennedy jokes, they drag me back in…so to speak.

        1. I loled until I realized there was a 0% chance this chick would get your joke.

          1. there was a 0% chance this chick would get your joke.

            We’ll just have to cross that bridge when we get there.

      2. But she’s totally cute!!!

        1. I know my audience.

          1. But she is!!!

        2. fuckable, not “cute.”

          1. I thought you wanted to *protect* white women!

            1. I do want to protect white women.

              1. Who will protect them from *you*?

                1. Look, I’m a lot like you…I, too, am a wizard under the sheets.

                2. Why would they need to be protected from me? I am white.

                  1. The Klansman|5.14.15 @ 11:35PM|#
                    “Why would they need to be protected from me?”

                    Because you’re an asshole! Anyone can see that.

      3. But I bet someone here would fuck her

        I resent that remark.

        Don’t deny it, but I resent it.

        1. I believe the correct terminology is “I resemble that remark.”

          1. It’s this younger generation that grew up thinking ‘Comedy Bang Bang’ is funny.

      4. But I bet someone here would fuck her so you deserve the retards among you.

        I wouldn’t call her the next day, though.

        1. Ms. Ziedrich, a high school debater who specialized in the parliamentary style and still helps coach her former team, said that all the attention she is garnering from those on the right (who thought she was rude) and those on the left (who want to canonize her) is confounding given her own political journey. Growing up in Northern California, she considered herself a conservative like her mother and father, who is a loyal Fox News viewer.

          Then she identified as a libertarian and, ultimately, as Democratic, influenced by her time spent debating and by books like Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States.”

          If only someone didn’t call her a “cunt” 3 years ago when she used to post here under the handle “I to the Z“.

          God, you people.

          1. Space Jam?

            “by books like Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States.””

            Anyway, it’s simply a myth that colleges engage in left-wing indoctrination.

            1. The internet doesn’t work when you expose the links.

              1. I couldn’t get that link at all.

          2. “specialized in the parliamentary style.”

            Well that explains it.

            1. I will tolerate no disparagement of the parliamentary style around here.

              1. Par par par…parliamentary style!

      5. I don’t find her all that attractive or cute. But yes, I would fuck her.

      6. “But I bet someone here would fuck her so you deserve the retards among you”

        Sometimes I think the real reason there are no (or very few) libertarian women is because men are so attracted to stupid women.

        1. Smart, hot women are usually batshit crazy and mean as hell.

          Dumb is about the only way to get a girl who is passably attractive and not a psychotic asshole.

          Of course, smart and “meh” is another way to go.

          1. On the other hand, I’m a damned good cook. That has to factor in somewhere.

      7. But I bet someone here would fuck her so you deserve the retards among you.

        Well, we are *men* after all.

    3. He should have responded: “Can you rephrase that in the form of a question?”

    4. Well, to be fair, we all know that the Times will run laudatory profiles on random citizens who challenge Democratic candidates on tough issues, right? Like they did with Joe the Plumber. I’m sure all of Hillary’s critics will get equal coverage.

      /sarc

    5. “Then Ms. Ziedrich asked: “Why are you saying that ISIS was created by us not having a presence in the Middle East when it’s pointless wars where we send young American men to die for the idea of American exceptionalism? Why are you spouting nationalist rhetoric to get us involved in more wars?””

      Have i mentioned the “shotgun-rhetorical-questions” approach that the yoots so love?

      WHY ARE YOU WRONG? WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO CREATE TERRORISTS!?

      “What’s your question again?”

      DONT BE PEDANTIC WITH ME, YOU PEDANT

    6. “the Bush administration is to a decent extent to blame for ISIS making inroads into Iraq because there’s no way that would have happened if Saddam were still there, but I don’t know how they’re responsible for ISIS existing at all when ISIS started in Syria, a nation we never invaded.”

      “ISIS” came to being from some remnants of AQI who were released from camp bucca prison in Iraq in 2011. And they would not likely have never formed any significant group without US & Saudi funding/arms for Syrian rebels in 2012

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10…..ebels.html

      “? Most of the arms shipped at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar to supply Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups that the West wants to bolster, according to American officials and Middle Eastern diplomats…..

      “The opposition groups that are receiving the most of the lethal aid are exactly the ones we don’t want to have it,” said one American official familiar with the outlines of those findings, commenting on an operation that in American eyes has increasingly gone awry.”

      trying to insist ISIS is 100% the fault of the Iraq War (and nothing else) is pretty fucking idiotic.

  17. A better question…would have been: “What has the experience of the Iraq War taught you today that you, and most members of Congress, didn’t know back then? And how will this lesson inform your presidency?”

    Still better: “”What was your experience of the Iraq War, if any?”

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  21. It is hard to believe that Bush wasn’t prepared for that question. And the way he tried to duck it for 4 or 5 days before he finally came up with something. It seriously makes me question his competency. What world is he living in?

    IT’S ALL OVER FOLKS! And the socialists won.

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