Freddie Gray

Riots in Baltimore: What Is Seen and Unseen

The city has been on a slow burn for years.

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Looting, throwing rocks, and torching cars and buildings in one's own community is a stupid, self-destructive way to deal with problems. The violence in Baltimore was harmful to police, at least 15 of whom were hurt, but even more harmful to the people who live and work where it occurred. An area that was poor and dangerous is only likely to get worse. 

Flames consumed a $16 million senior housing project and community center that was under construction, which won't come to pass on time, if ever. Some businesses will leave, and others will stay away. Whoever will suffer as a result, it won't be the people the rioters are mad at. 

But riots don't happen in vacuums. This one followed peaceful protests by residents aggrieved by the shocking death of a black man in police custody. Freddie Gray made the mistake of running at the sight of police and, after being caught, ended up with a nearly severed spinal cord. 

Outside the 1968 Democratic National Convention, Chicago police fought antiwar protesters in a melee that left many injured, more arrested and others appalled. A federal commission later labeled the episode a "police riot." The cops, it said, had used "indiscriminate and unrestrained" force, sometimes on "persons who had broken no law, disobeyed no order, made no threat." 

The Baltimore police had taken part in a riot of their own—not a sudden explosion of violence, but a bloody slow-motion event that largely escaped public notice. Last year, The Baltimore Sun reported that since 2011, the city had lost or settled 102 lawsuits over officer abuse of citizens—some of whom suffered broken bones, "head trauma, organ failure and even death." It paid the victims a total of $5.7 million. In nearly every case, the victim was found guilty of nothing. 

So maybe Gray had reason to flee at the sight of cops. Having been arrested before on drug charges, he "had a history with that police beating him," a friend told the Sun. Those 102 cases prove that obeying the law does not confer safety. 

Black Americans, more than most Americans, know that innocence is flimsy protection against those cops who are brutal, inept or trigger-happy—and who will, likely as not, be excused from full responsibility for the damage they inflict. 

John Crawford III was shot to death in an Ohio Walmart as he stood talking on his cellphone, idly holding an air rifle he had taken off a shelf. Tamir Rice, 12, was gunned down while playing with a toy gun in a Cleveland park. Gray, who was not suspected of a crime when police gave chase, had a pocketknife that may or may not have been illegal. 

Those African-Americans who are beaten by officers are not the only ones with cause for anxiety. A Gallup poll last year found that among black men aged 18 to 34, one in four complained of being treated unfairly by cops—in the previous 30 days. 

Baltimore City Council President Bernard Young says that too often, black citizens are treated with suspicion and hostility. African-American residents, he told the Sun last year, "fear the police more than they fear the drug dealers on the corner." 

Police have their own reasons to be scared. In 2013, Baltimore had the fifth-highest murder rate among cities with a population over 100,000. Nearly two-thirds of residents are black, and it's safe to assume the overwhelming majority of violent crime is committed by African-Americans. 

So police and blacks in Baltimore, as in many cities, tend to focus on the worst in each other. The distrust and hostility drive some blacks to belligerent defiance and some police to heavy-handed intimidation, creating a deadly spiral. 

The responsibility, however, is not equally balanced. The criminality and dysfunction in poor black areas are the toxic products of historical oppression, ongoing discrimination, waning economic opportunities, and social breakdown. 

It was once possible to imagine that removing legal barriers to equality would be enough to transform black-dominated areas. It's no longer possible to imagine that—and yet the white majority feels no urgent obligation to devise other solutions. 

In the wake of the Baltimore riots, the governor of Maryland dispatched the National Guard and put the city under a state of emergency. The New York Times reports that one caller to a local radio station lamented, "I'm 45 years old, and my whole life has been a state of emergency." 

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  1. “…no urgent obligation to devise other solutions.”

    The problem being the Left, and the people trapped in their urban hell, resist “other solutions.” They demand more of the same failed “solutions.”

    1. I would say that if they had a prog city gov’t, a prog state gov’t, and a prog nat’l gov’t, for at least 20 solid years, they’d be forced to put the blame where it belongs, because there’d be nothing else to pin it on.

      Then I remember that these people can’t even admit that the Soviet Union was a bad idea.

      1. It could have worked, they just needed more time.

        1. It would have worked had they murdered a few million more people who stood in the way of progress !!! Forward Soviet !!!!!11

        2. It could have worked, they just needed a better “top man”.

          Their ideology is all personality based, there is no grounding in ideas or principles.

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  2. It paid the victims a total of $5.7 million. In nearly every case, the victim was found guilty of nothing.

    How many of the cops faced consequences for their actions, other than a paid vacation.

    *crickets*

    Yeah, that’s what I thought.

    1. Its the price Baltimore spends for its superior and inexpensive public education system. /sarc

      1. No. It’s the price they pay for civilization.

        1. Hipster friend who grew up there told me that they need more grocery stores, more investment, and more public safety.

          This was all brought on by too much public safety.

      2. Meanwhile, strict gun control in Maryland/Baltimore means law-abiding citizens are twice at the mercy of cops: Once when their criminality foments riots and a second time when the cops don’t show up as the businesses are being trashed and burned down.

        Still, I gotta say, the people of Baltimore are getting what they voted for. Here’s hoping they get so much of it that they take up clubs and go fix the problem.

        1. What happened to rubber bullets?! Or bean bag guns? I do not understand the reasoning behind letting them loot and riot without, at least, some semblance of legal resistance!

          1. Michael, we Americans are living in a tyranny by a minority. That tyranny is the consequence of our own actions; e.g., the decisions of the Warren Court.

        2. What happened to rubber bullets?! Or bean bag guns? I do not understand the reasoning behind letting them loot and riot without, at least, some semblance of legal resistance!

    2. Roughly two, per month, out of how many police/citizen interactions?
      Comparisons to other cities?
      How many were settlements, where those agreeing to the settlement faced no downside to agreeing to paying out, to make it go away?
      The anarchist/ anti-cop bias on Reason is terrible.
      Hey, libertine-arians, the cops don’t make the laws that keep you from smoking your weed, they just try to do their jobs and enforce laws passed by others. Get rid of your hard-on for them.

      1. You know who else said they “were only following orders?”

  3. This is yet another reason why rioting is bad – voters think they have to choose between rioters and cops, and most of them choose cops.

    Spiro Agnew won the Vice Presidency by opposing riots in Baltimore. Are you proud of that, rioters?

    1. “Who’s Spiro Agnew?”

      /rioter

      1. The tax evader guy.

  4. But riots don’t happen in vacuums.

    Correct. They happen in atmospheres tainted with tear gas.

    1. A riot is an ugly ting….und it is just about time that ve had vun!

      1. I see you used just enough nonsense to take the felony out of your words. Well done.

        1. Swiss was quoting a line from Young Frankenstein.

  5. I watched some pretty funny man-in-the-street interviews. One guy started with “man, de mayor, she ain’t doin’ shit!” Then the reporter said, “c’mon, this live TV, please don’t swear.” So then the guy says “Right, right, I’m sorry. Man, de mayor, she ain’t doin’ nuffin!”

    Another guy spoke in short phrases each punctuated with “no-um-sayn?” I’m sure they are all proud gradjits of Balmer’s Publick Skewlz.

    Mushmouth Lives!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ3zMu_WRYU

    1. Former Btimore Mayor, Maryland Governor, and 2016 Dem Presidential hopefull Martin O’Malley sent all of his children to private school. Like the Obama girls not going to DC public schools.

      1. Don’t forget Good Will Humping and 39% of Chicago Public School teachers!

        http://hotair.com/archives/201…..-to-learn/

        1. So my brother’s fiancee told me that Arne Duncan actually sends his kids to public school in Arlington. It’s just one of those public schools that just so happens to aggressively label the unwashed and less intelligent as “life skills” candidates and ships them out throughout the county.

      2. A 2007 Heritage Foundation study found that 37 percent of representatives and 45 percent of senators with school-age children sent their own kids to private school. Of the members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus with school-age children, 38 percent sent them to private school. Of the members of the Congressional Black Caucus with school-age children, 52 percent sent them to private school.

        I wonder how many of those turds voted against school vouchers.

        http://humanevents.com/2013/10…..-own-kids/

      1. It’s not racist to mock someone for not being able to speak the language they’ve heard their whole lives.

        They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain’t, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be… And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

        Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

        The-much-maligned Bill Cosby

        1. That dude is a serial rapist. You can’t take anything he says seriously.

          1. “A serial rapist.” You mean like the Duke Lacrosse team? or the fraternities at UVA?

            It has been claimed he is one, but evidence outside “because she said so” is kind of thin on the ground.

        2. That is the language they’ve heard their whole lives. And chances are they are perfectly capable of speaking proper English but choose not to in most situations.

          This is a normal phenomenon in every language.

          1. It’s called code switching. Forgo it at your own social peril.

          2. The books they get in school are written in so-called standard English. The vast majority of people they see in movies and TV also speak standard English. They can understand standard English, but for some reason, many cannot or choose not to speak it, even when it would work to their advantage.

            How the hell can you spend your whole life in an English-speaking country and not know how to conjugate the verb “to be”?

            Nobody makes excuses for rednecks who talk gibberish. They just laugh at them like Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel or Boomhauer from King of the Hill.

            1. “The vast majority of people they see in movies and TV also speak standard English”

              Not necessarily the case. On average black people tend to watch different tv programming than white people, so they’re watching shows and movies with people speaking AAVE a lot more than white people are.

              In any case, family environment is a lot more important in forming linguistic habits than movies or books are. Relatively few characters in movies or books or tv shows have a Southern accent, and yet it still persists commonly in the South. Same for really any regional accent.

              “They can understand standard English, but for some reason, many cannot or choose not to speak it, even when it would work to their advantage.”

              Most can and often will to some extent if need be, depending on the setting. But it is their natural way of speaking, so I think most take the view of doing what comes naturally to them and isn’t hurting anybody, other than people who can’t stand the thought of someone else speaking their language differently. Black people tend to talk to other black people most often (due to familial, residential, religious, and social ties), so there isn’t necessarily an advantage in most conversations they’ll have.

              1. In any case, family environment is a lot more important in forming linguistic habits than movies or books are. Relatively few characters in movies or books or tv shows have a Southern accent, and yet it still persists commonly in the South.

                I’m from Texas originally. My entire family, including my parents, all talk with an East TX accent. Except for me and my sister. Perhaps it’s the two years we spent in CA during Jr. High School, or perhaps it’s the fact that neither one of us wanted to sound stupid. Perhaps a little from column A, a little from column B. The point is, you can choose to not sound like an illiterate retard.

                1. The point is, you can choose to not sound like an illiterate retard.

                  Code switching. It works both ways. I have some customer service exposure at my job and I myself will use code switching. For example, when I’m negotiating with an underwriter at the insurance company I’m speaking differently than when I talk to my client, Blue Collar Bob. Everyone who doesn’t have severe autism does this to some extent, even if unconsciously, to facilitate communication and empathy.

            2. “How the hell can you spend your whole life in an English-speaking country and not know how to conjugate the verb “to be”?”

              It’s conjugated differently in AAVE. That simple really. There’s no objectively correct dialect of any language.

              “Nobody makes excuses for rednecks who talk gibberish. They just laugh at them like Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel or Boomhauer from King of the Hill.”

              Both groups tend to get made fun for the way the speak. I’ve seen plenty of people defend Southern accents from the criticism they get, so it’s not like that goes unchallenged. Neither group speaks the language “wrongly,” it’s simply commonplace in any society to look down upon dialects of lower-class groups when they differ from the standard prestige upper-class way of talking.

              1. I’ve seen plenty of people defend Southern accents from the criticism they get…

                I’d bet my last dollar you’ve never defended the validity of Southern accents, but here you are leaping to the defense of Ebonics.

                A staple of comedy is to portray dumb people as mispronouncing and misspelling words. There’s a good reason for that.

                1. “Ebonics” IS (a form of) southern English. Where do you think they got it from?

                  1. “Ebonics” IS (a form of) southern English. Where do you think they got it from?

                    Ummmm no.

                    1. Ummmm no.

                      So explain how it arose. I am interested to hear an answer that does not reference the white southern people that American slaves learned English from.

                    2. So explain how it arose. I am interested to hear an answer that does not reference the white southern people that American slaves learned English from.

                      Ebonics is a relatively recent term meant to categorize a range speech patterns among black populations in the US, Canada the Caribbean and West Africa. At least in the Carribean and West Africa there isn’t a superstratum to draw distinction from, standardizations have arisen in Liberian English for example.

                    3. Assuming correct language is an asset for a society to communicate effectively and efficiently, one might opine that the problem is less Ebonics infecting the Negroid populations and more Ebonics and the sub-culture whence it comes infecting the whole of a declining American society, Consider the loss of hyphens and apostrophes. We are allowing our precious language to be destroyed. By whom? By the disestablishmentarians.

              2. It’s conjugated differently in AAVE. That simple really. There’s no objectively correct dialect of any language.

                In language things are fluid yes and languages of course change over time, but the rules aren’t meaningless. At a certain point, your “dialect” is just poorly spoken English reinforced by a few generations of poor education and parenting.

                I’ve seen plenty of people defend Southern accents

                Accent is one thing. Piss poor grammar and syntax is another. Moreover unlike Southern dialects, AAVE is not bound by geography. Dialects contain innovations, that is changes whose origin can be localized to certain places and times. AAVE’s differences with standard English are not localized, those differences are not bound by geography, they didn’t drift from the standard variety of English in the same way that an isolated group of people would. This is what you expect when the source of the differences are from systemic errors and not a dialect continuum.

                Neither group speaks the language “wrongly,”

                Since languages are a man made thing, an abstract concept, they are subject to categorical truth claims. It is categorically bad English. AAVE is not the product of drift like a regular dialect, at best it’s a substratum and you can’t expect people to imbue it with the same social validity that standard/ non-shitty English has.

                1. AAVE’s differences with standard English are not localized, those differences are not bound by geography, they didn’t drift from the standard variety of English in the same way that an isolated group of people would. This is what you expect when the source of the differences are from systemic errors and not a dialect continuum.

                  This is entirely incorrect. It originated in the South and until southern blacks started moving north, was entirely localized there. It has absolutely nothing to do with “systemic errors” – in fact, the grammar is internally consistent – same as in any other dialect.

                  1. This is entirely incorrect. It originated in the South and until southern blacks started moving north, was entirely localized there.

                    And yet the same phonology and grammatical deviations occurred in populations of Carribean slaves and in West Africa, despite the relative isolation of these groups from one another.

                    – in fact, the grammar is internally consistent – same as in any other dialect.

                    Good lord no. It’s consistent in that the same classes of errors are made, but it’s not true that one improperly conjugated form of “to be” is more correct in AAVE than another. That is by definition a lack of consistency.

                    1. the same classes of errors

                      This is an authoritarian view of language that isn’t shared by many linguists. What you call “errors” are simply variants that arose over time*. They are “errors” only in the sense that the dominant society says they are.

                      *If you pay close attention, for example, you will notice that “he is” and “he be” are used to express two concepts that are not distinguished in standard English. It did not arise out of lack of knowledge of how to conjugate a verb.

                    2. This is an authoritarian view of language that isn’t shared by many linguists.

                      Oh a “consensus” huh? That’s why there’s such a debate about whether or not we can even call it a dialect within linguistic academia.

                      What you call “errors” are simply variants that arose over time*

                      At different places by different groups of people with no contact with one another. It just so happens that the only commonality between them being similar variations that one would expect to arise from poor education on the language.

              3. “It’s conjugated differently in AAVE. That simple really. There’s no objectively correct dialect of any language.”

                Completely untrue.

                Received Pronunciation (RP) is the objectively correction form and accent for English. If you do not speak this you are wrong and an illiterate fool.

                1. Quite so old chap, eh wot?

                  1. Bugger off.

          3. And chances are they are perfectly capable of speaking proper English but choose not to

            Pretty much this. I’ve heard/ known enough black people who speak perfectly good english to be confident that it has nothing to do with race, but everything to do with culture and shitty education*. But we can’t have school choice reforms, such as charter schools or open enrollment, oh no! That would be “turning education over to people looking to make a profit” or some such horseshit.

            *I knew a black girl in college who spoke very well, with no trace of ebonics or anything. I overheard a white friend ask her once why it was that she didn’t speak that way. her answer: “Because my parents would have beaten the crap out of me if I’d talked like that.”

            1. When people from non-English-speaking countries come here, they will probably speak some broken English at first. The children of first-generation immigrants seem to speak perfect English. It’s because these parents generally tell their kids to pay the fuck attention at school with particular regards to language arts. They understand that speaking incorrectly will have a negative impact on their job prospects.

        3. “Ebonics” (or more formally, African American Vernacular English) is, from a linguistic point of view, a perfectly valid form of English. There may be valid reasons why the more widespread, prestige dialect is preferred in business or academic settings, but mocking someone for speaking that way (particularly in an informal setting) is like a British person mocking an American for not speaking good English because we have a different accent and dialect. It’s not like God himself has ordained their to be one true form of English. Also, most black people can speak more standard English (“code switching”) when they need to, but I don’t see why there’s any reason to force or shame them into doing so in casual settings.

          1. Oh please. A bathrobe is a valid piece of clothing, but you will get funny looks if you walk down the street in one.

            Tell me, do you think Larry the Cable Guy is ever going to get work doing the voice-over for a Mercedes commercial, awesome as that would be? Accents matter. Ever had a professor with a really heavy accent? Hard to understand isn’t it? In something like air traffic control, it is vitally important that the pilot and the controller can understand each other. Would you want to talk to a 911 dispatcher you couldn’t understand?

            1. Reread my comment and respond to the argument I actually made. It’s clear you missed a couple sentences there.

              1. Here’s what I understood from it: Ebonics is just as good as any other accent, so we shouldn’t mock people who use it.

                That’s bunk because:

                1. plenty of comedy comes from accents

                2. there are many situations where speaking standard English is vitally important

                3. there are many situations where it is annoying when accents don’t match

                Speaking very differently from the norm is like having bad hand writing. No one can understand and you look like an idiot.

                1. I wasn’t saying anything about comedy, and neither was your original comment.

                  “2. there are many situations where speaking standard English is vitally important”

                  Again, please reread my comment. What do you think these sentences mean? I think it’s important to be able to speak Standard American English in this country, that doesn’t mean people who don’t do so at all times are inferior and/or stupid.

                  “There may be valid reasons why the more widespread, prestige dialect is preferred in business or academic settings”

                  “but I don’t see why there’s any reason to force or shame them into doing so in casual settings.”

                  “3. there are many situations where it is annoying when accents don’t match”

                  Sure, but that doesn’t mean the person speaking the other accent is wrong and should feel bad about it. If you went to England and didn’t speak in an English accent, are you speaking poor English and should you be shamed into abandoning your American accent?

                  “Speaking very differently from the norm is like having bad hand writing.”

                  What is “the norm?” There’s no universal objective norm. This often is the norm where they grow up.

                  1. “No one can understand and you look like an idiot.”

                    This is based a false premise that “no one can understand.” People understand it perfectly fine where they grow up. Hell, I certainly didn’t hear much AAVE except through TV, movies, and music, where I grew up and I’ve lived in an area with a large low-income black population for years and cannot recall a single instance where I had significant trouble understanding anyone. It’s different, but it’s not like they’re speaking Russian. Someone speaking English differently from Derpetologist does not make them an idiot. This is Linguistics 101 stuff.

                    1. “What is “the norm?” There’s no universal objective norm. This often is the norm where they grow up.”

                      This is the sort of silly relativism that really bothers me.

                      Norms are arbitrary, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t important or useful. US traffic laws are not ordained by the gods, but things work out better when everybody stops at a red light and drives on the right side of the road. Having a uniform language is useful for the same reason it’s useful to have a uniform currency and system of measures.

                      If some group in the US decided they were going to stop using dollars so they could use their own money as a matter of pride, they would instantly cut themselves off from a great deal of wealth. Same goes for not speaking standard English.

          2. The problem with this is that many cannot “code switch” and because of that do poorly in school and have a difficult time getting jobs. People who speak standard American English don’t have to code switch to function well in school and most jobs don’t require fluency in AAVE. Speakers of AAVE will always be limited to the degree they can communicate in standard English.

        4. It is a dialect. People can speak however they want it says very little.

        5. It is a dialect. People can speak however they want it says very little.

    2. Mushmouth Lives Matter!

    3. Mushmouth Lives Matter!

  6. What we need is a higher minimum wage, right?

    1. NPR morning edition had an interview yesterday morning with a cop who asserted that millions of police interactions happen every day where no one is disrespected and the cop doesn’t lose his temper.

      And that all problems can be solved with…….. drum roll…….

      MORE TRAINING AND MORE POLICE OFFICERS/FUNDING!

      I had to switch to music so that I didn’t punch my car radio.

      1. millions of police interactions happen every day where no one is disrespected and the cop doesn’t lose his temper.

        I’m not sure that’s conceivably true. The cop’s salary was stolen. He’s being disrespectful when he clocks in not to mention almost incapable of treating the peasants as his equals.

        1. Hey, genius: What you saw in the streets of Baltimore is the “free society” you seem to espouse, with no police to keep the peace.
          Get a grip on reality, will you?

          1. “Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived.” -Petronius (1st-century A.D.). This saying was one of Adolf Hitler’s favorites. The consequence of anarchy is tyranny.

      2. I blame the laws more than the cops. There is a problem with accountability for police, but some percentage will be corrupt. Giving petty tyrants innumerable nanny state laws and sending out in mass to harass the public is a much bigger problem. I doubt teaching police not to abuse will be much more effective than teaching men not to rape. Reducing police interaction with the public will do more than anything.

        However I suspect the response to the riot will be more training, and more laws with predictable results.

  7. No side is entirely in the right here, which is why this is such an annoying issue to discuss. The problems seem to be that the police can go into these communities for almost any reason and wreak havoc, and that the people in these communities are trapped in shit schools with almost no work opportunities. Almost all of the problems can be attributed to busybodies on the outside trying to ‘fix’ problems by mandating how people should live, whether it’s the war on drugs, minimum wage, or lack of school choice.

    1. Almost all of the problems can be attributed to busybodies on the outside trying to ‘fix’ problems by mandating how people should live, whether it’s the war on drugs, minimum wage, or lack of school choice.

      The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

      1. Hey drug warriors, you can step away from the pavers and mortar, Hell has been successfully achieved.

    2. You know, in a night watchman state, these children would have no schools.

  8. The people in the inner-cities are not living right. Mothers don’t care for their children so we need the state to do it. The smoke and don’t eat right so we need laws to make them do the right things. They can’t be trusted with guns, not even for protection so we need to take them away. They do too many drugs so we need to put drug addicts in prison.

    All of this needs to be enforced with more police until they start acting properly. The riots just prove we haven’t cracked enough skulls, or made enough laws. And treating black dense communities like children in need of punishment is not racist at all.

    1. Such is the white man’s burden.

      1. Chapman feels that burden and he’s ashamed that other whites don’t.

        It was once possible to imagine that removing legal barriers to equality would be enough to transform black-dominated areas. It’s no longer possible to imagine that?and yet the white majority feels no urgent obligation to devise other solutions.

  9. Riot in a Vacuum

    New band name?

      1. Now I want to vacuum up a bunch of D&D figures and take a picture.

  10. “Looting, throwing rocks, and torching cars and buildings in one’s own community is a stupid, self-destructive way to deal with problems”

    The mistake here is pretending (like the rest of the media) that anyone on the street wants to ‘deal with problems’

    1. Part of the problem is that rioters don’t even understand the problem. If they did, they’d be trying to torch City Hall, not the local 7-11.

      1. Or maybe the police union HQ…

      2. ^yeah, this

        if anybody in the “community” had a lick of fucking sense, they’d have beaten the shit out of all the asshole ‘city councilmen’ who’ve presided over their disaster of a city for the last 2 decades, and then surrounded city hall.

        That would be a ‘protest’ worth seeing.

      3. But City Hall doesn’t have Funyuns.

        1. too-shay

  11. The evil genius of the modern democratic party is that they successfully turned our inner cities into the 21st century version of the 19th century southern slave-labor plantations.

    All of this horrible, systemic dysfunction was created completely on purpose, and the power-brokers who are in control of this evil system aren’t about to change a thing.

    1. ” the power-brokers who are in control of this evil system aren’t about to change a thing.’

      You kidding? They’re banking on some new federal “Stop Racism” money to spend on useless shit that will guarantee them union votes for the next 20 years.

      For the political class, riots are a goldmine.

    2. The difference is that 19th century slave-labor plantations produced wealth for their owners.

      1. Let me add = for Obtuse Racists, riots are a goldmine as well

        1. Yeah it really gets in the way of our attempts to convince the goyim that Blacks are Just Like Them. That’s one of the reasons why we support “oppressive” police practices.

      2. Please. The controllers of the democrat urban machine are making the kind of wealth that southern slave owners couldn’t even dream of on their best nights.

        Billions and billions of dollars flow through this system of government grants, city churches, approved professional agitators (think Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson), and the endless network of shell corporations created to funnel all the money back and forth (think ACORN and the like).

        1. Yeah, but all that money ultimately comes from people like us. I for have to pay a whole lot of taxes on the money I make. We don’t do it because of greed, it’s war against our ethnic enemy.

      3. And most slaves were literate and had a small amount of savings.

        1. 80% of black Americans were illiterate in 1870, where the heck did you get that from?

          http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=5189912

          1. As everyone probably is aware, black Americans who were enslaved were not taught how to read and write.

            Utter bullshit. Most slaves were expected to read scripture. They might not have been taught to write, which might exclude them from literacy as we define it today.

            1. I would consider writing to be a pretty big component of literacy. And please provide a source other than pure assertion. I’ll gladly concede the argument if you provide convincing evidence of your position.

  12. I find it irritating that we focus on abuses against blacks by the police. This blurs the real issue — abuse by police against those less wealthy or powerful, of any skin color, many times to “enforce” incredibly unpopular or unjust laws — and turns it into a partisan affair.

    The Democrats can lament that stronger civil rights protections and how more funding are needed as solutions and the Republicans can lament about how the lack of school choice and broken homes are the issues and propose laws to “encourage” both. Neither side supports the other’s solutions, of course, and rarely anything gets done at all (without even getting into the argument of how effective the solutions actually are).

    1. I find it irritating that we focus on abuses against blacks by the police. This blurs the real issue

      That’s the point. Most people feel that laws solve problems, because that’s the intention. So this problem we see here must be fixed with more laws, because laws solve problems. Or at least that’s the intention.

      To suggest that this is a problem created by too many laws (and the enforcement of these laws) means that more laws will not solve it. That is really scary to people who feel that laws magically solve problems with good intentions.

      How do you solve problems created by too many laws? Well, you have to start repealing them. But what of the problems those laws were intended to fix? It will be anarchy! Chaos! Rivers of blood in the streets!

      So the narrative must be about race. It must. Because the truth is just too much for most people to bear. It would shake the faith in government as the means of solving society’s problems, and most people just can’t handle that.

      1. The problem isn’t the state. It’s white people!

        1. The problem isn’t the state. It’s white people!

          Or men. White men are doubly blame worthy. We’re pure evil.

      2. *nods aggressively*

      3. …means that more laws will not solve it.

        I think you have to add that increased enforcement of existing laws also will not solve it.

        The ONLY solution is repealing 90% of existing law. But the political class and its lackeys have a vested interest in a fucked up society, and the only way they can increase their take is to fuck it up more.

    2. Police abuse hardly addresses the issue. Police are in thinner cities in full force because violent crime is high. You would need to explain why crime is high before you even get to the policing issue. Even if you remove all police, it will only get marginally better with fewer people going to prison for drugs. But the violence is still high.

      1. Inner cities

        1. I like thinner cities. I mean, I’d live in a fat city if it had a good personality and a pretty face,I guess.

          1. If it could cook.

      2. You would need to explain why crime is high before you even get to the policing issue.

        A lot of violent crime is a direct result of the drug war. When people cannot resolve disputes peacefully in court, they resort to violence. Same thing happened during Prohibition.

        1. Exactly. Crime is high because the political class has created more crimes. Legalize drugs and I’d guess 40% of crime goes away.

          Of course, that means 40% of cops aren’t needed and 40% of lawyers aren’t needed.

      3. You would need to explain why crime is high

        What do you mean by crime?

        1. I mean violent crime. The drug war was an attempt at solving this issue. It was stupid and counterproductive but the problems in inner-cities do not derive from the drug war. So selling it as the primary solution is a recipe for failure. Chicago isn’t going to turn into Nashville because the WODs is ended. A single mom with 5 kids from 5 different dads isn’t magically going to start making her kids finish their homework and be home by 9 because she won’t get busted for Pot. Kids with crackead fathers are not going to be much more successful than those who’s crackhead fathers are in prison. Ending the WODs will make a small dent, but you will still have plenty of problems that have other causes besides the WOD.

          School choice isn’t an attempt to solve these problems either. For the parents that don’t care, most kids are fucked. You could quit subsidizing single mothers, removing any incentive to be responsible. But that has no chance of passing. The best you can do IMO, is to give those people who want to get out a chance to do so. And that can be done through school choice. That necessarily means your not even going to try to help those that don’t care to take their kids to better schools, which is unpopular, but the reality is you probably can’t help them anyway.

          1. Well, I hate to quote Sheldon Richman even in paraphrase, but the two reforms you mention are worth doing and would go a long way towards eliminating the environment you’re describing, but it would take some time for the social effects to be seen. You’re not going to end the WoD and then see the projects turn into Mayberry overnight, of course, but after a generation or two of fewer families being broken up and fewer people with felonies on their records trying to get jobs things would improve.

            Ultimately what’s going to reduce the kind of shit we see in Baltimore is more jobs and an end to the “safety net” plantation of the welfare state. There are communities in the inner city that have been on the dole for generations, and the idea that you can actually earn a living or ought to isn’t a value widely held in those communities any more. There are massive social issues underlying all this shit that go beyond just poor people in the ghetto, but solving the poor problem is how you start to fix the rest.

      4. Police have been abusing certain populations for decades or centuries, high crime rates or not. And there have been plenty of stories here on Reason of police misconduct in areas with moderate or crime rates.

        1. *low

  13. Oh seriously, fuck off. If you’re pissed at the cops then go pull a Christopher Dorner and kill some cops. You have no excuse or justification for beating up liquor store owners or burning down 7-11s.

    FUCKING COWARDS. Real men pissed at cops kill cops. You are all fucking pussies.

  14. “It was once possible to imagine that removing legal barriers to equality would be enough to transform black-dominated areas. It’s no longer possible to imagine that?and yet the white majority feels no urgent obligation to devise other solutions.”

    I’d be interested to know if Chapman considers “legal barriers” to include forcing people to attend shitty public schools, pay extortionate fees to start a business, throw people in cages for ingesting particular plants, etc.

  15. This one followed peaceful protests by residents aggrieved by the shocking death of a black man in police custody.

    Not just any man. A BLACK one. You did it again white people.

    The criminality and dysfunction in poor black areas are the toxic products of historical oppression,

    Tired old argument.

    ongoing discrimination,

    ‘White privilege’ is doing wonders for the Asians though.

    waning economic opportunities

    Developing the means to seize economic opportunity unfairly requires one to ‘act white’.

    and social breakdown.

    Owing mostly to state policies that black communities almost universally vote for.

    It was once possible to imagine that removing legal barriers to equality would be enough to transform black-dominated areas. It’s no longer possible to imagine that?and yet the white majority feels no urgent obligation to devise other solutions.

    Aren’t they capable of governing themselves Chapman? Do you feel some sort of “burden” to help them?

  16. Looting, throwing rocks, and torching cars and buildings in one’s own community is a stupid, self-destructive way to deal with problems

    But they are essentially what government does every fucking second of the day.

  17. “How Not to be Seen.”

  18. Huh. It looks like “International Jew” got the banhammer.

    1. He won’t be missed.

  19. Life is hard for a lot people. Immigrants come to this country with little cash and any real job prospect. They might not speak English. But many of them make it. Asians and Muslims commit little violent crime. Everyone knows a sense of jealousy fueled the LA riots. Rioters torched (targeted?) at least 40 Korean owned businesses in Baltimore.

    This riot is an indication of blacks (ironically) not assimilating into an evolving society. There’s nothing economically vibrant about their community. A bunch of Asians settling into LA can make money by selling cultural products to themselves and import business from Asia. Latinos have taken over the physical labor part of the economy. African Americans don’t hold that kind of sway in the economy.

    I suspect blacks quietly realize they’re becoming irrelevant, even after electing a black president. In open primaries, Latinos and Asian candidates will clean their clocks in some regions. They have to reinvent themselves to be more appealing to the market and other cultures that are expanding. But no one will make that suggestion, obviously. It’s racist.

    1. And the argument that “we’re poor because of white people” is destroyed by the existence of a highly prosperous minority cultural-ethnic group like the Asians. Nor does it explain why Hispanics do so much better than blacks as well. The only real difference between these groups is culture.

      1. ^^^^^^This.^^^^^^

        And Akira’s below.

        Which is a sad truth to which no one can admit and blacks who do point this out (Cosby, Freeman, Sowell, etc.) get vilified as being “Uncle Toms” and the like. Think about that for a second: when blacks achieve exactly the kind of success that has been kept from them, they are harangued as now being “too white” and otherwise hectored for the exact thing the Sharptons of the world scream are unavailable to blacks. The hypocrisy is fucking unbelievable. Black culture lost the ability to transmit meaningful, useful, socially productive elements of Black culture n its effort to demonize anything even remotely “white” – including business success, or literary success, or even artistic success…other than hip-hop and R&B. It’s too bad because (as just one example) some of the greatest guitar players of all time are black and you don’t get that good without a ton of dedication, hard work, and talent, but that is never what is held up for emulation.

    2. “But no one will make that suggestion, obviously. It’s racist.”

      … And that’s exactly why this problem is not likely to be solved any time soon. If anyone ever questions the narrative that white people caused 100 percent of the problems that plague the black community, they’re shouted down as bitter, virulent racists.

      1. It’s called argument ad hominem. Attack the messenger not the message. It’s the common ploy of neo-liberals, especially Negroid demagogues who extort money from “the Man”.

    3. Your argument is based on racial absolutism. You assume all non white people have lived under the same set of circumstances and only vote based on their race. I mean the Native Americans have their own lands and they are eligible for government subsidies and free college education. What more do these people need? Why aren’t they successful? Must be because of jealously. Before Irish Catholics were seen as white people they were treated as bad as African Americans in many circumstances. The problem is and has always been government sponsored oppression/subjugation of some sort. The solution has always been to limit government interference unless it’s protecting Individual freedoms.

  20. Tell me again when it was that oppressive white republican mayors ran Baltimore.

  21. Want to be labeled a white racist? Simply “copy and paste” the annotated objective facts below.

    Blacks constitute about 13.1% of America’s population.
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

    Yet when it comes to crime, the FBI reports that in 2012 blacks committed:
    49.4% of all murders
    32.5% of all forcible rapes
    54.9% of all robberies
    34.1% of all aggravated assaults
    28.1% of ALL crime
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cj…..verviewpdf

    Are whites a major murder threat to blacks? Of course not. 90.8% of all murdered blacks are killed by other blacks. The remaining 9.2% black murder victims were killed by ALL other races, or “unknown” — which doubtless includes some additional blacks.

    1. Mr. Rider, you are clarifying the issue with data, an anathema to the disestablishmentarians. On many sites, you would be censored, if not banned entirely.

      See “Censorship Hard & Soft” at … http://nationonfire.com/category/context/ .

  22. I did a quick harvesting of come salient facts about the city of Chicago, primarily from the Census bureau. I suspect Baltimore would follow a similar pattern. Consider:

    RACE:
    White 45.0%
    Black 32.9%
    Hispanic 28.9%

    Murderers’ race:
    White 8.3%
    Black 68.8%
    Hispanic 11.1%
    Rest are other races or unknown race

    Critics indicate that racist cops are the reason blacks get caught but others don’t. Let’s look at the “racist” Chicago PD.

    Officers by race:
    White 49%
    Black 29%
    Hispanic 19%
    Other 3%

    Of course, they MIGHT hire only self-loathing blacks and Hispanics. Yeah, that’s gotta explain the pigs’ racism, right?

    Finally, apologists here assert that blacks kill (other blacks primarily) because they are poor (as if that were an excuse). Really?

    Median income by race:
    White $38,400
    Black $25,500
    Hispanic $21,900

    BOTTOM LINE — do the Chicago math.

    Rate that per capita blacks commit murders vs. whites: 11.6 times higher
    Rate that per capita blacks commit murders vs. Hispanics: 5.5 times higher

  23. Several factors in play here — cultural, not racial:

    1. Very high percentage of single parent families. Over 72% of blacks are raised in single parent families — higher in urban areas.

    2. The black community/culture is dominated by rap and hip-hop — which glorifies gangsters and violence, while denigrating women. The black Establishment refuses to criticize this obsession with angry, violent rap songs and idolizing thugs.

    3. An anti-education mentality, disdaining those who try to “act white” in school. BTW, the role model SHOULD be to “act Asian.”

    4. Lousy urban inner city schools. Give the teacher unions their due for stifling effective education (including choice) – thus “keeping blacks in their place,” albeit unintentionally.

    1. More precisely, it’s act Oriental.

  24. That the 102 people, who were awarded money for police brutality, were not found guilty of anything does not equate to them having “obeyed the law”.
    More often than not, charges are dropped when a suspect turns up injured from the arrest and juries give special consideration for the same reasons – which is why there is ample evidence of suspected criminals attempting to injure themselves while in custody. Unfortunately for them, video cameras work both ways.
    As for the poll of one in four having been “treated unfairly by cops”: being treated unfairly is a highly subjective metric – how many of those “felt dissed”?
    It is virtually impossible that anyone, who acts respectfully and complies with police directions, will be subjected to any kind of physical abuse by the police.

    1. Really? I’ve got a mayor in Berwyn Heights who might disagree with you. And what directions did Bounkham Phonesavanh fail to follow?

      I realize you’re dealing in absolutes here because you’ve got an ax to grind, but just because some or most police don’t abuse their authority doesn’t mean that none do, and it doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem with the ones who do.

      Take a gander at this and then get back to me: http://www.policemisconduct.net

  25. You had me up til:
    “The criminality and dysfunction in poor black areas are the toxic products of historical oppression, ongoing discrimination, waning economic opportunities, and social breakdown.”

    1. Do you have any evidence of that?

    2; I would end the war on drugs and see what happens. I think just that will help greatly.

    3. Most blacks are doing well and are not poor and are great citizens.
    4. I would guess that high crime might contribute to waning economic opportunities,
    historical oppression, ongoing discrimination, waning economic opportunities are not evident in blacks dominance of the most desired jobs in the USA football and basketball player.

    5. A guy I went to high school with died in police custody (he was white). In a country of 300 millions things like that will happen on a daily basic. Let us try to reduce it but realistically it will be with us for a long time.

  26. So… when are the rioters going to burn down a police station?

  27. Consequences

    Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, etc. The sad state of these American cities in decline is the direct consequence of the actions of the disestablishmentarians. Their actions have been successful. They have dismantled the Constitution, lost war after war, wrecked the economy, and torn apart the moral fiber of this nation in decline … a nation now on fire literally and figuratively.

    See “The Disestablishmentarians” at … http://nationonfire.com/ .

    Complaining is one thing. Repairing is another. In repairing, the issue is less The Who and The What than The How (www.inescapableconsequences.com).

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