Rand Paul

Rand Paul Talks SAE Controversy, Drug War with MTV News: 'Still Vestiges' of Racism

"There is a problem in the criminal justice system."

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Sen. Rand Paul gave a great interview to MTV News at the SXSW conference. He was asked a few polite but candid questions about race relations and white privilege and gave some pretty good answers:

I think there's privilege. I don't think it's so much racially based anymore. It happens to be that maybe there is more poverty in the African American community, so there is still a difference that's racially based, but the good thing is I think we've gotten beyond sort of the legal separation, the legal sort of problems. I think there is a problem in the criminal justice system, though, in the sense that the War on Drugs has unfairly incarcerated a disproportionate amount of African Americans and Hispanics, but also poor whites.

The interviewer also asked about the racist fraternity chant at the University of Oklahoma's Sigma Alpha Epsilon chapter. Paul admitted, refreshingly, "I guess I just don't know what goes on at college campuses. There are still probably vestiges of [racism]."

Paul, unlike many of his Republican rivals, has made a genuine effort to reach out to communities previously ignored by the GOP and talk about issues facing them. This interview is, I think, good evidence that the effort has paid off, at least in terms of making the senator more comfortable and polished when asked to discuss such topics.

Watch it below.

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  1. That is a GOOD interview. MTV killed the Bush 1 campaign- quite a switch.

    He seems so rational and reasonable here- and illustrates his ideas clearly.

    VERY impressed.

    1. Just a quick H&R PSA:

      Don’t talk to it; it only feeds on your anger and grief.

      1. BTW, not you, Spencer.

        Not yet.

      2. Not talking about it might help, too…

        1. It’s gonna get worse before it gets better

    2. Too bad nobody watches MTV anymore.

    1. Leopard print thong or commando.

      /Anthony Weiner’d

    2. Boxer briefs. BAM! *drops the mic*

      1. Sonofabitch…I paid a lot of money for that “mic”!!!

        You go and drop it like you just don’t care, while waving your hands in the air, and giving me this really weird stare.

        Oh hell no, don’t you dare!!! get your eyes away from down there, before I hit you hit you with a chair……although you’d probably prefer a stuffed bear.

        1. The bear the bear and the maiden fair!

  2. He covered the exact same topics on this week’s VICE. Also featuring Radley! It was a pretty good segment, and they were not trying to sandbag him or anything like it. It was just pointing out the stupidity of the drug war and police militarization.

    1. Did they ask follow-up questions? Shane Smith seemed to have trouble doing that with Obama’s dick in his mouth.

      1. No Shane in either segment, so of course both were interesting.

      2. I hate Shane Smith so very much. He’s a scumbag tool for power who pretends he’s an outsider because he has tattoos, bro.

        1. Butterflies are hardcore, man. Smashing Pumpkin song and everything.

    2. I saw that. Probably before you did.

      1. Not possible. I have a 4-dimensional TiVo. It records things, and allows me to watch them, before they even air. It also functions as a cloaking device. So you can’t read the thoughts in my brain.

        1. I see Epi is mistaking the nurse’s makeup mirror that he glimpsed briefly through the window of the psychiatric hospital for a 4-dimensional TiVo again.

          1. I can see myself…forever!

        2. But I’m a sorcerer, this one.

  3. He’s smooth, but not slimy. Stays on point without drowning you in bullshit. God I hope he wins.

    1. No way the establishment reps let that happen. They’ll make sure Iowa hates him.

      1. I know they want to, but how? He’s much more polished than his dad, he’s not gonna give anyone the “possibly racist/sexist/insensitive” gaffe. He has genuine appeal. And even if he gits kicked in the nuts in Iowa there’s still New Hampshire.

        1. GETS kicked. Goddammit.

        2. He wants to end corn subsidies. He has said that publicly. Iowans don’t want to have to actually work.

          1. Iowa actually doesn’t have a very good history of picking the eventual Republican nominee.

            1. Let them bathe in Santorum again this time around.

            2. So, Irish, last nite when you moonliy brought up Walker’s aide I told you she seemed juvenile and unprofessional, that in the normal world outside this bubble professionals don’t talk to or in public like that. You scoffed.

              How’d that work out?

              Lol, her boss almost repeated what I said verbatim announcing she was canned.

              1. Good.. here’s a biscuit.

        3. Oh that’s easy – get him on some gotcha questions about farm subsidies or ethanol.

    2. dont delude yourself, he wont

  4. Rand is good. We all have to realize that he has to be very careful at this point. But the guy does have balls, he’s not afraid to go into hostile territory.

    Now quit fucking pandering to SoCons, Rand, DAMNIT!

    1. he has to pander to socons

      1. I know it, Damit, but I fucking hate it!

    2. He doesn’t pander to SoCons, he’s leading them.

  5. So, when is Bocabotard going to show up and argue with us about how we’re all wrong about Rand?

    1. There’s also a Walker thread

      1. Is that the guy who doesn’t even have a college degree?

        1. But he’s an expert in government email security

          1. No, that guy didn’t finish kindergarten. I think Walker finished high school.

    2. What if Bo is a troll run by Reason staffers in order to get people riled up so there are 500 post threads?

      /tin foil hat

        1. Come to think of it, I’ve never seen Episiarch and Bo post at the same time…

          1. What…whatever do you mean?

            (looks around nervously)

        2. Why am I the only one who doesn’t own my own sock puppet. It’s unfair, is there a government subsidy for sock puppets?

          1. Maybe you could get a pink sock puppet.

            1. That’s it! A code pink sock puppet! It’s brilliant… hey wait, you just ruined it for me!

              1. “little pink sock, little pink sock, la la la la”

                /Mutts cat

          2. Speaking of which, you caused something. I’ll fill you in later.

            1. I always cause something. Like when last Sunday morning when I woke up, I had a hangover, caused by 750ml of vodka.

              Don’t tell me, Reason is now going to review posts before they can be viewed by the delicate commentariat becuase it might trigger someone?

              1. It was an incident which we shall henceforth refer to as The Incident.

                1. Well, damnit, where’s the fucking link!

                2. Actually, we already have “The Incident” with Tulpa. We’ll need another name.

                    1. I coined it above, but i think the descent into madness is a good candidate.

                  1. Actually, we already have “The Incident” with Tulpa.

                    Mea culpa. Fuck, that was glorious though.

                  2. It’s the vodka incident, guys, that caused this.

                    I just went into the local liguor store last week and there was this old Russian guy started talking to me. There’s a lot of those Ruskies in my hood. And we were in the vodka aisle, so of course he wants to talk about vodka. So I started out pointed out some Polish vodkas and of course you can imagine the disdain that inspired.

                    So Is said ‘I like Absolut and I don’t drink vodka much, I was wondering about this Finlandia’.

                    So he tells me ‘No, this is no good, you don’t want’.

                    So I picked up a bottle of Beluga and said ‘hey, this is pretty good, right?’. And he says ‘Well, is Russian, but just ok, you know I tell you for the price what to buy ‘.

                    And so I am thinking, alright, an old Russian guy giving me vodka advice for free, fucking awesome.

                    So, he picks up a bottle and hands to me, and I read ‘Titos Handmade Vodka’, and I’m looking at it and I see Austin Texas on the label’. And then I noticed the color is not quite right, it’s not clear, it’s like somewhere between a vodka color and a very clear not quite golden rum… and I’m thinking WTF?

                    So I said to the guy ‘What is this? Texas? What’s wrong with the color? It’s not clear’.

                    So old Russian guy tells me ‘Hey, I tell you, this is good, try it!’. So I did. And it’s fucking good, really good. I been mixing it with Sanpellegrino Aranciata. it’s a great mix.

                    1. I like Titos. When I buy vodka for the girlfriend, it’s typically Titos.

                      Unfortunately I took a part-time job while I take school more seriously, so these days it’s Svedka giving me hangovers more often than not.

                    2. Yes Tito’s is good for the price, been what to buy for me for a long time. Then again I almost never drink vodka at all, just what I keep around for visitors. Don’t know what you are talking about with the color though, it just looks like vodka to me.

                    3. It might be the bottle of label. I remember thinking it had an odd hue.

                    4. I read through this thinking it was a setup for a joke.

      1. What if nobody gave a shit?

      2. They pay me in robot stories for every hundred clicks.

        1. Fucking loser, all of us here receive huge fucking checks monthly, I am talking OBSCENELY huge, fucking monstrous, gi-fucking-normous checks from the Koch Bros!

          See why libertarians are winners.

          We’re willing to fuck mother gaia in the arse for some profit… no not willing… eager!

          1. I’m a libertarian, genius.

            I’m probably one of the few actual members of the LP here.

            1. You seem uncouthly and uncommonly predisposed towards leftist tendencies for a libertarian.

              1. There’s quite a strong strain in libertarianism that strikes those on the right as ‘leftist.’ That’s where the epithet ‘cosmotarian’ comes from.

                1. I’m a Jeffersonian republican. I suppose you’d categorize me as a flaming fascist, right?

                  1. Doubtful.

            2. So is Shreek. In fact, he’s the only one here, so you can’t be!

              hehe….

            3. You and Michael Hihn are the Libertarian Party members on this board. Everyone else is a ‘small L’ libertarian — it’s their philosophy, not their party.

              Everything makes a lot more sense now.

              1. Umm, I haven’t been connected to the Libertarian Party since 2000, when I ran for WA Insurance Commissioner with many others, to gain major party status. We did.

                I see very few small “l” libertarians on Reason. It seems to be mostly the cult of Ron Paul. Keep in mind, less than 6% of Americans will accept the libertarian label, which is rejected by 91% of libertarians (Cato/Zogby Poll 2006). That’s pretty sad after holding a majority for at least 35 years.

                Just look at today’s politcal opportunity. We have no credible candidate, no plan for the economy, healthcare or jobs — anything which matters most to voters. This traces back to an internal dispute since the beginning — pro-liberty vs anti-government, where the anti-government faction essentially shouts down and drives away the pro-liberty faction, the only ones who get elected and actually achieve small victories for liberty all across America. Seeking to get elected means “compromsing with statists.” Apparently we are to create a free society through a military dictatorship.

                Despite this massive opportunity, we’re to be excited because the libertarian brand –which is toxic — appears daily in the major media, but associated with extreme social conservatives .. while we also applaud the growth of social tolerance. So the Establshment fundraises by bragging about the expansion of BOTH social conservatisim AND social liberalism. Bizarre. Libertarian politics COULD restore America, if we had any.

          2. Don’t feed it.

            Let it wither and die.

          3. Libertarians fucking win because our lightning never stops striking.

            1. When does your album drop? Remy shouldn’t have all the fun working the pro-liberty hip-hop angle.

              1. I see him more as trip-hop spoken word.

            2. Libertarians fucking win because our lightning never stops striking.

              What have we won anything beyond the purely local level? When fewer than 6% of Americans will accept the libertarian label if they also have a choice including “fiscally conservative and socially liberal.” No less than Cato defines libertarian with the latter, who I call Nolan Chart Libertarians. Also according to Cato, 91% of THOSE libertarians reject the libertarian label.

              So, who is it contributing to the growth of social acceptance in America, the 5% libertarians or the 59% libertarians? Especially when the dominant voices in the 5.3% are extreme social conservatives who would abuse the constitution with States Rights masquerading as Federalism?

              Do you know who Oval Faubus was, and what he’s most remembered for?

              1. Do you know who Oval Faubus was, and what he’s most remembered for?

                Umm, was he the guy who invented Ovaltine? Or race-car tracks?

                Recently I caught up with an old girlfriend who had put on a lot of weight. I’d call her Oval at this point.

                1. Microwave popcorn?

                2. OOOps, Orval, but you’d recognize it if you’d ever heard of him.

                  He was the governor of Arkansas who stood at the Central High School door in Little Rock, with the state national guard, using force to keep 9 black kids from registering after court ordered desegregation.

                  Eisenhower sent in troops, with orders to use force if necessary. The kids registered and attended the high school. It was a major high water mark for equal rights in the late 1950s.

                  Faubus later gave a speech, defending his action as defiance of “unelected judges” who had imposed their will on the state of Arkansas. He basically used the same bullshit as Ron and Rand Paul, and except for the actual events in Little Rock, Ron Paul could have written every word — and he has. Then Ron would snarl and say Eisenhower was a “rogue” President — after trying (and failing) to forbid negroes from even defending their constitutional rights.

                  http://www.blackpast.org/1958-…..ntegration

  6. Paul, unlike many of his Republican rivals, has made a genuine effort to reach out to communities previously ignored by the GOP and talk about issues facing them.

    I think I’ve heard this one before. Get back to us when the votes are counted.

    1. I dunno, about this time before the 1992 election nobody gave Bill Clinton any chance to even be competitive in the coming election. Already, I’ve seen Rand go from someone everyone in the major media dismisses as a ‘no-way’ candidate (along the lines of that Little Caesar’s pizza guy Herman Cain who ran in 2012) to someone who is at least being considered as a dark horse. I’ve also noticed the more people who see or listen to him, the more people are impressed, even among the TV talking heads.

      I’m going to hold out hope — he clearly comes across as very bright and articulate to all that hear him (who are used to ‘stupid republicans’), doesn’t blurt out that many ill-advised things that the left can jump all over (the vaccination comments notwithstanding — nobody’s perfect) and has been reaching out to unconventional audiences and winning them over. He got a frigging standing ovation after a speech at UC Berkeley, for pete’s sake.

      If he can just convince enough African-Americans that he’s on their side, he’ll be able to withstand the inevitable nuclear attacks that he once said he didn’t like the 1965 CRA. Get past the ‘he’s racist!’ and he may have a pretty good chance — if his own party doesn’t torpedo him (which is my biggest concern).

      1. If he can just convince enough African-Americans that he’s on their side, he’ll be able to withstand the inevitable nuclear attacks that he once said he didn’t like the 1965 CRA.

        Either his team has already written up a speech for him to address this when it comes up, or they’re not worth keeping.

        All he needs is something like this:

        “The ideas expressed in the CRA are good and noble, but sometimes I question the way that the CRA accomplishes those goals. In some ways the CRA only swept racism under the rug, letting the roaches keep living and breeding in the shadows. I believe that those who adhere to the backwards ways of the past should be cast out into the open so that their twisted ideologies can wither in the light of day.”

        1. “Senator Paul denies that the means justified the ends, thinks racists should flaunt their bigotries openly.”

          1. Thinks racists should flaunt their bigotries openly.”

            That’s quite an exaggeration, but he certainly trashes the constitution on homosexuals, which will destroy his candidacy. Like his father, he promotes a phony federalism developed by southern racists (see Orval Faubus) to deny fundamental individual rights.

            On abortion, he has two different stories on his Senate web site. Abortion should be a state matter, BUT he sponsored a FEDERAL bill to ban all abortions and says he’ll do everything he can to ban abortions as a FEDERAL Senator. So, also like his Dad, they’re for state control except when they’re not.

            So forget the 9th and 14th amendments, while claiming to be a constitutional conservative. The bigots will have an excuse, and most of the others won’t see the contradiction.

            1. Show us on the doll where the Pauls touched you

              1. Show us on the doll where the Pauls touched you

                Just as useless as the first two times you used it. Can you be specific?
                Do you even know who Faubus was? His views on federalism and how he applied them identically to the Pauls?
                Finally. tell us how states can have powers that have never been delegated.
                You do know, right, that ours is a government of delegated powers?

    2. The Bad Captain Madly

      Now, that’s an obscure one. If it’s a Cream reference then there’s probably not a lot of folks on this board that will get it.

      … Hobbit

  7. I think there is a problem in the criminal justice system, though, in the sense that the War on Drugs has unfairly incarcerated a disproportionate amount of African Americans and Hispanics, but also poor whites.

    This is a great point and actually something that the media seems to studiously avoid. Really, attempts to racialize the issue miss the fact that poor whites are also extremely likely to be a target of the WOD and police excess. The assumption always seems to be that whites are part of the middle and upper middle class. Whenever poor whites are acknowledged to exist by the media, they’re presented as “trailer trash”.

  8. I think his answer on privilege came accross as evasive because he didn’t articualte a very important point:

    Privilege, so called, is one of those social issues that the government is utterly incapable of solving because all its tools are destructive. It’s like asking a guy to set a bone with a sledge hammer.

    Sure there are people who are screwed because someone looks at them and says “This guy can’t eb an engineer, a basket ball star, whatever”. But…. how can we overcome that via force? Right now they are saying let’s require half of a board of directors to be women. What if the best guys happen to be men? What if the best guys happen to be women, but the board is required to hire inferior men?

    Some issues cannot be handled by force. All government action will do is breed resentment, inefficiency and eventually institutional destruction.

    1. Some issues cannot be handled by force.

      Most of the people whose first go-to is force don’t really care whether they can be or not. Force is the point, not just the tool.

      1. Plus, a lot of people are very hateful human beings whose goal isn’t to solve problems because they just want to make the enemy suffer. Most left wing activists don’t give a fuck about improving the lives of black people, they just really hate white people and if whites are made worse off, that’s a win in and of itself.

        Sort of like how the Drug War has obviously failed based on the available evidence, but conservatives want to continue it because the people who suffer from the drug war are ‘scum bags’ anyway and therefore deserve to suffer.

        1. Yeah, this is one of the most important things to keep in mind when people advocate for shit. Are they advocating to actually help people, or to hurt people they dislike? Because so much retarded policy, from taxing “the rich” and corporations, to the drug war, and so many other things, is based on envy or hate and not on any logical foundation.

          1. It’s also often based on a superiority complex of a civilizational scale. Successful non-leftists are scumbag, racist, sexist, bourgeois bastards, and are inferior to leftists, as they see it, so fuck those successful non-leftists — we’ll take their shit, tell them how to live, and build our Marxist paradise atop the ashen ground and the bones of the capitalistic oppressor.

            They’re all fucking insane. Pinko scum will always be around for us to contend with.

          2. Exactly. It really is another facet of human tribalism instincts. Anybody who does things I do not agree with is collectivized into one group, making them easier to hate and punish.

            1. Anybody who does things I do not agree with is collectivized into one group, making them easier to hate and punish.

              Just like Canadians.

              narrows eyes

              1. I live on both sides of the fence. Dual citizenship baybayyyy

              2. “narrows eyes”
                Is this contagious? It’s looking like it. I found myownself with a narrowed gaze today!

                1. I’ve always wanted to know, is narrowing the eyes giving somebody the stink eye, or is it the skeptical eyes?

        2. They’re so busy worrying about what you are doing or not doing that they can’t be happy. They’re in a perpetual state of concern about what someone else is doing. This drives a person insane after a while. And because it’s impossible for them to be happy, they want to deny that for everyone else too, because fairness.

          They’re an exact replica minus the granny clothes and clutched bible of the church lady from my neighborhood when I was growing up. Constantly snooping on neighbors and reporting them to the authoritahs, who at that time, lucky for us, was the local pastor of the Southern Baptist church and not militarized goon squads.

          1. In Britain, if a flag flown on private property causes a passerby offense, his subsequent demand that you remove it from its view is enforceable by the police upon the grounds of maintaining “public order” and “cultural sensitivity.”

            1. That’s why the limeys will all be in Burqas soon.

              1. I told the guy to go fuck himself. The cops left, probably because I outright refused to allow them on my property, which amazed them, because a typical Limey would have dropped to his knees, performed fellatio, and allowed them to ransack him home.

                1. Good for you, man.

                  I can’t figure out what has happened to the British… oh wait, I can, their politicians.

                2. What was the flag? Not the Union Jack?

              2. “That’s why the limeys will all be in Burqas soon.”

                I was in the UK last Autumn; it was strange.
                It was sorta like they were practicing to be Americans but couldn’t quite get it right.

                1. It’s a real shame. I had a British guy for progessor in one of my database classes in college and the guy was so damn sarcastic and cynical that everyone here would love him, he was great. I still tell stories about the guy and get everyone laughing. I think the Brits are really where we get our sarcasm from.

                  The guy was telling us a story about (this is how his typical lectures went) how when he lived in Liverpool, he was a data manager and they had to backup the data every night, which at that time was done on tapes. He said they would just hire guys off the street and teach them how to change the tapes at 3am and that’s all they needed to do. But he said that after the first 2 weeks, these guys would get their check on Friday and go get drunk and not show up again the next week, so they’d have to get another ‘tape mokey’, fucking tape monkeys! You just get another bloody tape monkey off the street every two weeks!

                  He also lectured us on how Americans worst mistake ever was giving women the right to vote. Guy was the most non-political correct professor I have even seen and funny as hell. We’d be laughing so hard we had to be careful not to pee our pants in class.

                  I want the old Brits back, so that we can kick someones ass that is worth kicking when the times come.

          2. I experienced this at a young age. One Christmas when I was around 10 my dad got me and my sister a little child snow mobile. It went less than 10 mph. We lived in a subdivision and would drive it along the sidewalk with the neighbour kids. One night as were riding around, the cops pull up beside me and my sister and tell us we can’t be driving that around the block and that someone called them to report it. The police laughed when they realized how slow the thing was. Told my father they couldn’t believe someone called them over that but they couldn’t let us ride it around the neighbourhood anymore.

            I fucking hate Warden Gorden Borden’s

      2. Most of the people whose first go-to is force don’t really care whether they can be or not. Force is the point, not just the tool.

        It’s not force, it’s magic. Everyone just gets in line and takes one for the team.

        That’s how laws work.

    2. Some issues cannot be handled by force.

      That is a very difficult concept for many people to grasp.

      It’s like you’re working with something delicate, and then you ask a government person for help. They try real hard to jam things together, breaking everything they touch, then say they would have fixed it if they’d been more violent. Only an idiot would believe that, but most people look to government to solve everything. They don’t understand that government’s only tool is force. They think government is careful and caring. But it’s not. It’s a clumsy animal that tramples everything in its path. Most people just don’t understand this, and by the time they do it’s too late.

      1. Awesomely said. I couldn’t have put it together better myself

        ………. The paper would have had fang holes and some blood and folks would have been like OMMFG!!! WTF!!!!

        Then they’d try and stab me with a stake.

        Which is why I came up with this slogan and put in on a T-shirt.

        “Steaks not stakes” for Vampires. It’s got a picture of a bloody steak on there, and a stake with a big red x across it.

  9. “Still probably vestiges of racism”?? Doesn’t he understand that racism (and the other evil isms and phobias) are the major problem in the world today?? They cause everything bad! Nothing will improve until every vestige is totally erased, everywhere, in every mind and heart!!

    /every progressive today

    1. White supremacy is still a valid alternative in the marketplace of ideas! /every libertarian

      1. ^ Well, this is immensely retarded even for you.

        Regardless, Tony, what do you think about the black residents of Newark refusing to elect Cory Booker mayor of Newark back in 2002 because his opponent attacked Newark for being ‘too white’ due to his Harvard education and white friends?

        Do you think that kind of intra-black racism (which tells African American kids that they shouldn’t try succeeding because if they do they’ll be rejected by their community) has a serious negative effect on African American communities? If not, why not?

        1. because his opponent attacked Newark Booker for being ‘too white’ due to his Harvard education and white friends?

          You know what I meant.

        2. Yes Irish, black racism is the REAL problem. Always divert the discussion of racism back to that!

          1. Racism is…:

            1) … morally reprehensible regardless of who harbors it (black, white, yellow, or what-the-fuck-ever), and…

            2) … none of the government’s business, and not the business of government to solve, or remedy. In fact, government is its greatest perpetrator.

            What’s with behaving as if there are different grades of racism, whose severity is dependent on what skin color a person guilty of it is? That’s retarded. And racist.

            1. Not to mention the fact that I’d argue black racism about how blacks should behave is more likely to influence black behavior than white racism about how blacks should behave.

              Let’s try a hypothetical: I’m a random racist asshole who is white and says mean things about black people. All that’s going to happen is black people will hate me for being a racist and be mad. My opinions are unlikely to influence behavior.

              Now, I’m the black mayor of Newark who attacks my opponent for going to Harvard and declares him to not be ‘one of us’ due to his educational background and friendships with white people.

              Any intelligent person would acknowledge the second instance of racism is going to have a far worse effect on the black inhabitants of Newark than the first.

              1. Also, don’t respond to Bo. He’s a concern troll who’s here expressly to be an asshole after we broke his mind.

                1. “He’s a concern troll who’s here expressly to be an asshole after we broke his mind”

                  The concern trolling is obvious even if you’re like me and try to avoid reading his posts. When he’s not calling himself the one true libertarian he’s accusing libertarians in general of all being evil racists. Non-trolls just don’t reach those absurd levels of inconsistency.

              2. Lol, look, he can’t help but turn it around to ‘black racism is the REAL problem!!!’ Even when answering the charge itself.

                Sheesh.

              3. To me, they’re both racist assholes — the black guy, and the white guy. Fuck them both. Dipshits like this Bo guy seem to think being black immunizes you from the moral and practical implications of being a racist cunt.

            2. Bo excuses black racists because of history. They’ve got a right to be racist against anyone who has a similar skin tone to people who legally acted on their bigotry before I was born. In his world Lady Justice does not wear a blindfold. She must first look at the skin color of the person before judging their actions.

              1. It’s not even that. Blacks can be racist towards other blacks (as Sharpe James was to Cory Booker) and Bo will excuse their behavior.

                In short, Bo is a racist who doesn’t believe black people are fully human and therefore they can’t be held responsible for their own actions. To Bo, black people are children who are ruled entirely by emotion because they don’t even have college degrees, and therefore it is the white Bo’s burden to stand up on behalf of black racists, since they’re simply savages incapable of moral judgment.

                Isn’t that right Bo?

                1. Irish, don’t project your racial outlook onto me.

                  1. Irish, don’t project your racial outlook onto me.

                    Dodge!

                    Weave!

                    Duck!

              2. If that’s true, Sarcasmic, he’s a racist fuck, and his outlook condemns people to graded tribes of variant moral importance upon the basis of their melanin count. Fuck him sideways.

                1. If that’s true, Sarcasmic, he’s a racist fuck, and his outlook condemns people to graded tribes of variant moral importance upon the basis of their melanin count. Fuck him sideways.

                  Bo’s explicitly made this argument to me. I asked him why he’s always excusing black racists, and he argued that black people being racist isn’t as bad because black racism has done less damage in this country than white racism has.

                  This is true, sure, but so what? Whether or not your racism is evil is not determined by how much damage racists who lived before you were born managed to do. Basically white people are possessed of original sin because people with the same skin color did horrible shit in 1962.

              3. I do t excuse black racism, I just don’t worry about it as much as you do. It’s comparatively not much of a problem.

                1. I do t excuse black racism, I just don’t worry about it as much as you do.

                  Uh huh. We worry about it. OK. Sure.

                  It’s comparatively not much of a problem.

                  You just excused it.

                  1. I think it’s funny that he says we worry about black racism, when in fact the only time black racism even comes up is when someone is trying to argue that all whites are racists or when someone tries to ignore obvious racism by black people.

                    In other words, no one here brings up black racism out of the blue in the way that people bring up white racism out of the blue, so Bo is completely full of shit, as that slobbering incoherent dipshit always is.

                    Secondly, he claims ‘it’s not much of a problem’ but the only reason Bo thinks that is because Bo is a privileged white boy who doesn’t have to worry about it in his daily life. If you’re an Asian or an Arab living in a majority black community, or if you’re a black kid who gets picked on because you ‘act white,’ then black racism is a very serious issue. Bo doesn’t care about that though, because for all of his moral preening, he lacks the empathy to understand how African American racism could harm people who live outside Bo’s ken.

                    1. If you’re an Asian or an Arab living in a majority black community, or if you’re a black kid who gets picked on because you ‘act white,’ then black racism is a very serious issue.

                      But, but, but… History!

                    2. Of course Irish, when you refocus any discussion of white racism to one of black racism as the real problem you’re doing it FOR black people. Sure.

                    3. when you refocus any discussion of white racism to one of black racism as the real problem you’re doing it FOR black people.

                      Yeah, actually. He is. I’ve known rich and poor people with the same income. The rich ones didn’t spend all their money, while the poor ones did. So on the day before payday, the rich people had money while the poor people didn’t. But they had the same income. How is that possible? Could a little personal responsibility be involved here? Did the rich person with the same income as the poor person do something to cause the poor person to be poor? Is it the rich person’s fault that the poor person is poor? Could it possibly be that the poor person who is blaming the rich person may possibly be responsible for their own fate? Is it mean to point this out? Did I use as many question marks as Napolitano?

            3. “What’s with behaving as if there are different grades of racism, whose severity is dependent on what skin color a person guilty of it is?”

              It’s not about that but rather about understanding that anti black racism has a longer history and potential for negative effects than anti white racism.

              1. It’s not about that but rather about understanding that anti black racism has a longer history and potential for negative effects than anti white racism.

                Like I said, who matters more than what. No principles. Only principals.

                1. No, it’s not the principals that determine the stance but the principles of past propensity and current capability to do harm.

                  For example, I’m far more alarmed by European anti-Semitism than I am Jewish anti-Gentile sentiment for the same reason.

                  1. For example, I’m far more alarmed by European anti-Semitism than I am Jewish anti-Gentile sentiment for the same reason.

                    So that excuses black racists?

                    1. I don’t excuse the black racist or the Jewish hater of Gentiles, I just think they’re comparitevly not much of a problem.

                    2. I don’t excuse the black racist or the Jewish hater of Gentiles,

                      Uh huh.

                      I just think they’re comparitevly not much of a problem.

                      You just excused it.

                    3. So you think anti-Gentile sentiment is equally worrisome as anti-Semitism? That strikes me as daft.

                    4. I never said anything about worrisome. Nobody here did except you in your attempts to excuse some racism over other racism, depending on who is doing it.

              2. Whether it has a longer history is thoroughly debatable, but how is it that it has greater potential for negative consequences? Racism is racism. An action of a racist nature taken by a black man against a white man is as egregious, unjustifiable, and ruinous as that same action taken by white man against a black man. Are you implying that blacks don’t possess the psychological fortitude whites do, and are therefore incapable of withstanding as tremendous a blow as their white countrymen?

                1. Blacks have less of the things that, in the hands of a racist, can make objects of prejudice suffer harms.

                  1. Blacks have less of the things that, in the hands of a racist, can make objects of prejudice suffer harms.

                    So that excuses black racists?

                    1. No, it makes it less of a concern.

                2. Are you implying that blacks don’t possess the psychological fortitude whites do, and are therefore incapable of withstanding as tremendous a blow as their white countrymen?

                  Yes, that is exactly what he is doing. But he doesn’t see it that way. You see, blacks were shit on for a long time. Though institutionalized racism is pretty much wiped out, it’s still OK for blacks to be bitter. Even if the people they express their bitterness against had nothing to do with anything. Because history. Yeah, history.

              3. I can’t believe it’s back after the beating it took last light. It’s utterly shameless and self deluded.

                1. It’s utterly shameless and self deluded.

                  Well, it does say it is a lawyer in training.

                  1. Ya know, I haven’t heard it mention Law School in a while. I wonder if it got booted?

                    1. Ya know, I haven’t heard it mention Law School in a while. I wonder if it got booted?

                      I’ve heard that some law professors suggest to their students that they argue with libertarians on online forums. Maybe he’s taking a few to the chin to earn brownie points.

              4. Bo,
                does white racism explain the blacks who sold other blacks whom they had conquered into the slave trade centuries ago? Does white racism explain the combination of oppression, squalor, and civil war that pervade many African nations? Does white racism cause single-parent birth among blacks to off the chart levels, make dropout rates out of whack with the population as a whole, and make black unemployment higher?

                Just stop. Institutional racism has long since been over. That some people in one group may dislike some people in another group is not exactly news.

                1. As a matter of fact white racism played or plays a role in pretty much everything you listed.

                  1. As a matter of fact white racism played or plays a role in pretty much everything you listed.

                    So that excuses black racists?

                  2. how so, Bo? Blacks were not forced to sell those whom they conquered. Blacks are not forced by whites into single-parent birth or into dropping out. And blacks in Africa today are not forced by whites to do much of anything. At what point do you stop treating them like incompetent children?

                    1. Never, because to Bo black people have no capacity for self-improvement and must sit around waiting for white progressive racists like Bo to protect them and shield them from harm.

                      Because Bo is a racist who would get the shit kicked out of him if he ever tried to condescend to a black person to his face the way he does behind their backs.

                    2. “Because Bo is a racist who would get the shit kicked out of him if he ever tried to condescend to a black person to his face the way he does behind their backs.”

                      Lol, you’re projection is fantastic!

                    3. Because white slavers played no role in the demand for slaves.
                      Because the current black cultural pathologies have no connection to forced enslavement and peonage through our history.

                      Whatever.

                    4. Why are those “pathologies” more prevalent now than much closer to slavery?

                2. Marshmallows like Bo need some painstaking historical instruction on the subject. The intra-African trade in slaves throughout history, and the foundationally retarded cultures that allowed, and continue to allow, all of its Satanically awful elements to function so easily for such a long time, is something pinko dipshits are universally ignorant of.

                  Much of Africa is dominated by similarly broken, functionally retarded, barbaric shithole cultures, none of which has any substantive relation to race. But were I to criticize a fucktarded African tribe for its murderous tendencies, say, Bo would probably accuse me of racism. It seems his type perceive everything through a racialist lens.

        3. “Well, this is immensely retarded even for you.”

          Naah. Run of the mill stupidity.

      2. Agitators of your racialist ilk — primitive degenerates to whom individuals are pawns of no personal worth within melanin-based tribes — are developmentally retarded. Your thinking stunted when you turned six, and you’ve had your fucked-up head stuck deep in your ass ever since.

        Drop dead, pinko.

        1. Juvenile. Gamergate. Psychopaths.

          1. The. More. Periods. You. Use. The. Harder. Your. Point. Hits. Home.

            Actually, not really.

      3. Tony:

        White supremacy is still a valid alternative in the marketplace of ideas! /every libertarian

        If you can’t beat white supremacy in the marketplace of ideas, then you have problems that probably no government will be big enough to solve.

        Or, exactly when do progressives plan mind control?

    2. In their defense, racism is the norm throughout the world today, and throughout world history.

  10. He’s going to get attacked for saying there are ‘vestiges’ of racism rather than saying racism is the most important issue of our time.

    1. The people who think that aren’t going to support him anyway so I don’t think that matters. I think most Americans believe racism is a problem but the race hustlers have blown it so out of proportion a curt acknowledgment with a focus on actual issues and solutions should be quite effective.

      Most importantly, you can’t accuse Rand of racism. His words and deeds have buried that shit so if they try to attack him he has a host of responses that make him look better.

      It’s like how he acknowledges that climate change is a thing but pivots to talking about how the best solution is capitalism. It keeps him from looking anti-science while also being a man of vision.

      1. I agree. Often the best tactic in politics is to acknowledge that your opponents have a point, but offer your own solutions.

        The danger of the whole “anti-racism” stance (or one of them) is that it focuses on something that can’t really be changed by politics. It also inevitably de-emphasizes the value of individual initiative. It gives people a handy excuse. “It’s not my fault that I’m poor! There’s nothing I can do. First, all whites have to stop being racist.”

        These days, antiracism is more disempowering than empowering.

    1. Of course. That’s why I use my own server when I’m at home. It is WAY more convenient than gmail, hotmail, etc.

      1. Who has time to take all of their e-mails to a server across town?

    2. Contributor to the Huffington Post is horribly technologically ignorant. Film at 11.

      1. Probably they think this is about servants. And I think we can all understand why you would want to use your own servants rather than someone else’s.

      2. For journalists I’m amazed at how little they understand the nature of cabinet level positions.
        A) They are pretty busy (how much they accomplish is another matter) and have insane schedules that aren’t very much within their control and therefore are not “home” long enough to even make a personal server more “convenient”. For chrissakes they ain’t a GS-13 teleworking from their basement.
        B) When you have the staff that these people do, it is very possible to actually not ever send/receive emails directly. And even the emails sent supposedly by them are more than likely composed/edited/sent by an assistant with on behalf of rights. Sure they’re addicted to their blackberries and whatnot, but they can easily insulate themselves with plenty of minions and whatever the fuck admin processes they want to have. For this reason I can totally believe that one of these clowns can go their entire tour without using ‘official’ email.
        I’ve seen official, no-kidding personally drafted/sent emails from Secretary of the AF and Chief of Staff of the AF and they could easily be mistaken for a kid’s texts. Short, direct w/ very basic info. The long, official correspondence is either on paper or handled by their execs.

    3. I hope all of these contributors suffer a painful and ironic accident.

      God, what a bunch of worthless cunts. They would have been the dregs of a goon squad, a hundred years ago, fetching supplies and cleaning up the actual squads’s shit.

      1. And all this time I thought that nobody cared. You’ve restored my faith in humanity, sort of.

  11. As a special offer to Bo, I’m going to repost each of his comments in such a way that they don’t come off as totally condescending and dickish. Watch and learn…

    1. Can you also remove the thinly concealed white man’s burden racism that infects all of his writings on race? It’s off-putting.

    2. Bo Cara Esq.|3.18.15 @ 8:08PM|#

      So, Irish, last nite when you moonliy brought up Walker’s aide I told you she seemed juvenile and unprofessional, that in the normal world outside this bubble professionals don’t talk to or in public like that. You scoffed.

      How’d that work out?

      Lol, her boss almost repeated what I said verbatim announcing she was canned.

      Irish, I noticed that Walker fired the aide we were talking about the other night. I know its refreshing to see people dispense with the PR bullshit, but it’s not really the best way to appeal to people beyond those who already agree with you. I think it’s more constructive to not give people an excuse to criticize the messenger, instead of the message. What do you think?

      1. Could you not do that? it fucks up the whole “filter the asshole out” effect.

      2. Yes Lynch, because I’M the one being far too rude around here.

        Sheesh.

        1. Rudeness is sort of the SOP around here. The key is not to have a thick skin and not take it personally. Otherwise, it’s like chumming the waters.

          1. Obviously the key is *to* have a thick skin. Skin like a rhinoceros. Or a crocodile. Motherfucking armor plated dinosaur tanks.

          2. Again, it’s me that has ‘thin skin,’ not the posters who follow me around cursing me like a Call of Duty chatroom? Get serious.

            1. Get serious

              This is an internet message board. It’s about 80% completely unserious, and that’s pretty damn good for the internet. The problem is taking it too seriously. You make it too easy to have fun at your expense.

              1. LynchPin, you are making the same damn mistake that Lady B made yesterday, and it will end the same way.

              2. Yeah, I take it too seriously. That’s why I follow people here I don’t like around urging people to not speak with them.

                Oh wait!

                1. You need to watch that scene in Gran Torino where he teaches the kid how to give people shit in a good natured way. Try this:

                  “Irish I’m surprised you’re sober enough to even form words, you mick bastard.”

                  That’s pretty mild and obvious, but baby steps.

            2. Bo Cara Esq.|3.18.15 @ 8:54PM|#
              “Again, it’s me that has ‘thin skin,'”

              Bo is the victim here. Nothing Bo has done has caused any problems at all. It’s everybody else who is wrong.
              If you don’t believe me, ask Bo.
              I won’t.

      3. Bo has the IQ of a gerbil. He should really look at what people have actually been saying about the Walker campaign since the firing.

        Check out the comment section on this Slate post. Everyone is anti-Walker and says it was wrong to fire her.

        Bo doesn’t realize that Walker caved to mild pressure and that the backlash against the firing has been stronger than the backlash against Mair ever was. This is because Bo is a retard and also, as I have documented, a white-man’s burden racist.

        1. Hey Bo, please respond to this. Walker fired her and was immediately lambasted by conservatives, Slate posted about it and Slate’s commentariat overwhelmingly support Mair.

          Doesn’t that prove my point that ‘average Americans’ don’t give a shit since both sides of the political aisle seem to be in agreement? I never said Walker would fire her, merely that her tweets weren’t a big deal. Everyone seems to agree with me, but then I don’t have aspergers and therefore, unlike you, am capable of judging how people will react to stimuli.

          1. Can you point to any other person representing a major organization in a professional role that communicates to or in public like her Irish?

            You act like internet comment sections are some representation of opinion in the real world. That shows how you’re into this strange bubble.

        2. Gerbils are useful.

          You can feed them to snakes.

          1. Or put them in tubes with a string tied to them.

    3. Bo Cara Esq.|3.18.15 @ 8:09PM|#

      He doesn’t pander to SoCons, he’s leading them.

      I worry that he’s really one of them, but I hope I’m wrong. It would be nice to have a liberty-minded candidate with a chance of winning.

      1. Why bother. It is incapable of human interaction.

      2. You didn’t get what I meant. Paul’s leading SoCons towards libertarianism. He’s brilliant that way.

    4. Bo Cara Esq.|3.18.15 @ 8:11PM|#

      They pay me in robot stories for every hundred clicks.

      Anyone else ready for sexbots?

    5. Bo Cara Esq.|3.18.15 @ 8:21PM|#

      I’m a libertarian, genius.

      I’m probably one of the few actual members of the LP here.

      I’m a libertarian, even we don’t always see eye to eye.

      1. You know, once you take away her negative qualities, it’s clear that she doesn’t actually have anything interesting to say.

    6. Bo Cara Esq.|3.18.15 @ 8:25PM|#

      Lol, look, he can’t help but turn it around to ‘black racism is the REAL problem!!!’ Even when answering the charge itself.

      Sheesh.

      Hmm, maybe I bit off more than I can chew…

    7. The thing is, I actually used to appreciate Bo’s willingness to challenge commentators on here. He got me thinking more deeply about some of my political/economical/social ideas, which was a good thing. But fuck has Bo fallen far away from that. Last night I finally realized that Bo has turned into your run of the mill troll.

      Calm down Bo. Stop being so hostile. Learn how to talk to people effectively. And stop blatantly trolling for christ sakes.

      1. I actually agree with him on the substance of a lot of issues. Hell, probably most issues.

      2. How am I supposed to take you seriously when you think I’m the one being hostile around here? Do you read these comments directed toward me, or anyone the regulars here decide to go after on other threads?

        1. Bo Cara Esq.|3.18.15 @ 8:49PM|#
          “How am I supposed to take you seriously when you think I’m the one being hostile around here?”

          See?
          Bo is the victim here! If you don’t believe me, ask Bo!
          It is not possible that Bo is the cause of any problems here.

        2. has it ever dawned on you why people treat you as they do? PB gets a good share of shit but doesn’t get all personal about it. John readily admits to not being a libertarian but engages in give and take without the feelz. And a few others get into the mix on a regular basis taking their share of fire. You seem to want to argue everything with everybody, to include accusing white racism for virtually every pitfall that befallen blacks since the dawn of time.

      3. Dude. You’re talking to a wall.

      4. “Calm down Bo. Stop being so hostile. Learn how to talk to people effectively.”

        Hint:
        Convince the dawn to hold off an hour or so tomorrow; you’ve got a better chance.
        The problems Bo has are the problems of others, so any suggestion that Bo change is rejected out of hand.
        Bo is a total and complete egotist; there is no possibility that Bo is wrong. None.

        1. And it is too bad he has gone so hard to being like this because he would be a very interesting commentator here if he would grow some humility and learn how to interact with people.

          1. I don’t see it. I only interacted with the twat a few times and saw through its act. It’s not serious.

            It’s here to argue and be contrarian for its own sake.

          2. Smilin’ Joe Fission|3.18.15 @ 8:55PM|#
            “And it is too bad he has gone so hard to being like this because he would be a very interesting commentator here if he would grow some humility and learn how to interact with people.”

            I doubt that seriously. I’d guess you focused on one or another comment that sounded reasonable as Bo was searching around for something to argue about; acorns and squirrels.
            More importantly, why do you think Bo can be other than Bo is? That represents his or her entire identity; the massive egoism blocking out any possible criticism.

            1. I’d guess you focused on one or another comment that sounded reasonable as Bo was searching around for something to argue about; acorns and squirrels.

              When Bo first started showing up I appreciated his input, even if I didn’t agree with someone of it.

              1. *some of it

          3. he would be a very interesting commentator here if he would grow some humility and learn how to interact with people.

            Yep… he and I had a back and forth about slavery and the Civil War a few months back. It stuck in my head because at the end of 30 or 40 posts, his base point was a valid one. I didn’t agree, but I could respect his opinion.

            The problem is that none of us have the requisite hour to walk Bo through condensing his schtick down to a viable point. It’s simply not worth digging through that much putrid, intentional shit just to find one nugget of interesting thought. I only engage when i’m bored (or procrastinating from writing a term paper, like tonight).

            1. I think you have nailed how I felt about Bo before he turned into a common troll.

              1. I haven’t been around much lately to see the descent into madness.

        2. Sort of like his hero…Bo knows Obumbles.

      5. Joe, people were trying that approach with it over a year ago. It refuses to acknowledge it has a problem. The problem, apparently is with every single other person who comments here.

      6. Calm down Bo. Stop being so hostile. Learn how to talk to people effectively. And stop blatantly trolling for christ sakes.

        I tried posting almost exactly this about 3 or 4 months ago… Bo is Bo… He’s 3 things, an asshole, a contrarian, and a left-libertarian. For any one post, he can choose to express 2 of the three things.

  12. So I got a grill for my birthday. Just did burgers. They were amazing. Not so much that they were the best burgers ever, but because they were the first off my new toy.

    Hit me with your grilling recipes.

    1. Fire.
      Meat.
      Repeat.

    2. What kind of grill? If it’s not an Old Smokey, you fucked up.

      I got this many years ago when I was a kid with no idea how to grill properly. It’s an excellent guide to grilling. Highly recommended.

      1. Pretty standard entry level gas grill. Three burners. Girlfriend bought it for me. I was thinking about buying one for myself, so I might just go ahead and get a charcoal one too.

        1. Congrats.

          I am pretty stoked to get a grill once all this snow melts (so another month or two).

        2. Gas is much more convenient, but charcoal is more versatile, more fun, and I believe it produces a better result. As with so many things, the correct answer is to get both.

          Here’s your first assignment: grill-roast a standing rib roast. Collect the drippings and make Yorkshire pudding to go with it.

          1. As with so many things, the correct answer is to get both.

            My grill is one side gas and one side charcoal. That’s my workhorse grill. I also have a smoker, because…lamb.

            1. One of my ambitions is to build a smokehouse. Mmmm…pig. Mmmm….deer.

              1. …”a smokehouse. Mmmm…pig.”…

                MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

      2. I got this many years ago when I was a kid with no idea how to grill properly. It’s an excellent guide to grilling. Highly recommended.

        Anything under the Cook’s Illustrated name is top notch, especially for you aspie nerd engineer types (i say it because I am it) who need to know what is going on at the molecular level.

      3. I got a question:
        I’ve been using (and using up) the small Webers for quite a while and I like ’em, EXCEPT!
        The grill itself is made of ~1/8″ dia wires and they do not hold the heat, so you drop a steak on there and it cools the wires off instantly and sticks.
        Does anyone offer a small grill that has a cast-iron grill?

        1. I’m not sure, but have have you ever tried cooking the steak in a cast-iron skillet on top of coals? It works really well as long as the fire’s hot enough.

          1. Considered it, but passed. The flame seems to impart a flavor I really like and in a pan, that will be lacking.
            I once had a really good pan-seared steak, but that was by a GF a long time ago, and I never learned how to do it.

            1. You need something like this. The flames still pass through, but it has enough mass to retain heat when you slap the meat… on the grill.

              1. This may be an exact fit for your grill, and is exactly what you need.

                1. “This may be an exact fit for your grill, and is exactly what you need.”
                  t-t-t, you are a HERO to Weber grillers everywhere!
                  Ordered and on the way!

                  1. I use this when camping. I fill it with coals fron the fire pit..

          1. You too, LP!

        2. Sevo try a Habachi grill.

          http://www.acehardware.com/pro…..la_9188889

    3. A friend of ours brought some fresh-caught trigger fish over to grill this past summer and it was excellent. Firm meat so it held well on the grill, and very tasty. Just did some salt, pepper, olive oil, and a bit of lemon.

    4. I’m a novice, so I like to stick with dry rubs. Added bonus is they’re a lot easier to do on a weeknight.

      I use the following for pork tenderloin. High heat (500ish), 7 minutes on one side, 6 minutes on the next, kill the flame and let it sit on the grill for 5.

      http://bbqpitboys.com/recipes/dry-rub-for-pork

      I like the following for salmon, but grilled instead of broiled. Make sure you let it site for 30 – 45 mins before you throw it on.

      http://www.foodnetwork.com/rec…..ecipe.html

      Jerk rubs (eww) are the way to do chicken breast. I use Aaron McCargo’s without the canola oil since it doesn’t require me to buy something before starting.

  13. So, in case anyone is unaware of what kind of troll Bo is, now he’s posting at cleveland.com under Playa’s handle. All but one of them have been deleted, so it’s safe to assume that they’re racist things about Obama, wouldn’t you say?

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    @Playa Manhattan Because they are such a breath of fresh air, not!

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    @John Kelsch @Playa Manhattan Not to mention unhinged!

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    lmt541 1 hour ago
    @Playa Manhattan If someone got caught in traffic they were leaving really early. Husband left at 5:30 and had no problem.

    And look, the Google+ profile he set up has some gossiping women as an avatar.

    1. Unsurprising. Bo is clearly mentally unstable. I think we have a new Mary on our hands.

      1. I’m not convinced about the “new” part.

        1. 1. Mary
          2. Kizone Kaprow
          3. Bo
          4. ?????
          5. PROFIT!!!!!!!11!!!!!1

          1. MARY-LIKE BAT-SHIT OBSESSION DETECTED.

            1. Is it Mary? Is it a Politico staffer? Does it matter? Not really, insane obsessed stalkers are all alike. By the way, tell your mom AGAIN to stop calling me and hanging up. This is like the 20th time I’ve told her.

              1. It can’t quit us.

                JUST LIKE YOUR MOM.

        2. You may be right. We should get the squirrels to geo-locate his IP address. If it’s in Fort Worth, and not SC, Bo is probably another Mary sockpuppet.

    2. Also, have you noticed how Bo has a really poor vocabulary, especially when it comes to insults? Everything is ‘juvenile’ or ‘racist’ or blah blah blah.

      For a wannabe lawyer, he sure is incapable of controlling his emotions and also doesn’t have a very good facility with language. I predict a long, hard journey ahead of him.

      1. He’s not in law school. He makes up new backstories every place he trolls, I’m sure.

        1. I am now convinced of this as well. I can’t remember Cara ever demonstrating any exceptional knowledge of the law. Just infras and supras and Esqs.

      2. I just don’t understand why people like him buckle themselves into a uniform pattern of automaton-like behavior that nobody can engage. It’s like trying to convince a brick wall that water’s wet.

    3. You have a sad fantasy life Irish.

      1. How do I have a fantasy life when you’re the one trolling boards where everyone hates you and inventing Google plus profiles to impersonate commenters here?

        Also, remember that I didn’t initially hate you. The fact that I’ve grown to think you’re a gibbering lunatic says a great deal about you, not about me.

        1. I think he meant me. He just fucked up and used your name because he’s excitable and not very smart.

      2. you are done here, botard. good riddance.

    4. Holy shit. That’s Mary-esque

      1. Or it is Bo-esque.
        Mary may not represent the depths of troll-hood on H&R

    5. ‘Playa Manhattan’ is such a distinctive handle it is highly unlikely anyone would ever replicate it by chance, especially to comment on a newsite dedicated to Cleveland issues.

      I’m disappointed that it is this obvious. Clearly I overestimated his intelligence.

      1. It’s either Bo or Kizone Kaprow, and if it’s Bo then he and Kizone Kaprow are the same person. The Playa Manhattan account somewhat desperately started trying to troll me on Google Plus, which is what Kizone Kaprow used to do, so I blocked it.

        Incidentally, Kizone Kaprow must be the most pathetic creature in the history of the universe. He keeps trying to troll me as if I’m going to bother responding rather than just blocking it and cracking another beer. How much of a loser do you have to be to troll someone who you know isn’t going to respond to you and doesn’t care about your narcissistic whining?

        1. The Playa Manhattan account somewhat desperately started trying to troll me on Google Plus

          Really. Details plz.

          1. I have a blog which I update literally once every 3 days or so (probably write on it like 6 hours a month, so it’s not like I’m taking it too seriously) and Kizone Kaprow periodically shows up to call me a narcissist or a failure for not having a large readership.

            Because, you know, random individual blogs that started 6 months ago and get updated 10 times a month normally have millions of readers.

            Basically they somehow imagine I’m going to be upset if they say ‘NO ONE IS READING’ even though I was never delusional enough to think there would be many people, and I’m just doing it for fun. Kizone is a very bad troll because they aren’t able to tell what will actually upset someone. I’m not going to be upset if they bring up the fact that not many people are reading my fucking vanity blog, so it really says some sad things about them that they keep trying that tired insult.

            You can tell I’m a commenter here because I named one of my posts Fuck Off Slavers. *wipes away a tear* You guys are really rubbing off on me.

            Kizone has also tried to troll Ted’s blog and probably Derpetologist’s.

            1. We used to get that kind of trolling about Urkobold, which amused me, because it was always just some Hit & Run commenters messing around under the hegemony of the ur troll and not some effort to achieve commercial success. Though even with that blog, the readership numbers weren’t as low as the number of comments indicated. In any case, unless you want to make money at it, most blogs are more for the benefit of the writer(s) than the audience.

      2. Not to mention that it was complaining about the very thing that I was bitching about on here a few hours before. It’s not a coincidence.

        And remember how SugarFree excoriated Bo this morning when SF told him about the reputation economy here? A few hours later someone attempts to wreck Playa’s reputation. And who’s been the cruelest to Bo of anyone here? Not a coincidence.

    6. Lord gawd, what have I wrought? I guess this incident thing is way beyond what I could have imagined…

      1. The Hyperion Who Kicked the Hornet’s Nest

        1. I may need to change my posting name… goes to bunk and puts on protective epiphany inducing tin foil hat, forgets what was the topic, loses focus… pr0n!

    7. Warty, even you were mentioned on that cleveland.com site. The comment that was deleted is here: Comments – Playa Manhattan

      I’m a rich libertarian who lives in sunny California, and I don’t want to insult anyone here, but why do you people still live in Cleveland? Me and my friends laugh about it all the time. My dog Warty even laughs and he only has half a brain! Does drinking a lot help? Nothing personal.

      1. That’s definitely not Bo. It’s Kizone.

        1. Wow. There are some fucking losers out there.

        2. The pathetic, deluded attempt at mockery is a dead giveaway. As is the absolute, bat-shit-crazy obsession.

          1. Kizone is really odd because he says things that he imagines will insult you, but no one could possibly be offended. I mean:

            My dog Warty even laughs and he only has half a brain! Does drinking a lot help?

            I don’t know who would think this would piss anyone off. It’s just weird.

            1. Bo’s insults are similarly bad. Hm…

                1. Heroic Mulatto
                  February 25, 2015 at 10:37 pm
                  Dang, I wouldn’t touch those skanks with YOUR dick!

                  Does he not know anything about you?

                  1. Indeed, it was a scurrilous slur against my character!

                2. Mulattoes are very well known to be extremely delusional. Philip Chism, Nikko Jenkins, and Floyd Lee Corrkinns, to offer a few examples.

                  This white supremacist has a firm grasp of science.

                  1. What? You didn’t learn in school that Frederick Douglass used to eat the still beating hearts of murdered children while screaming “IA! NYARLATHOTEP! Praises unto he who is THE LORD OF THE WOOD!”?

                3. “It socked me in the comments of a white supremacist site a month ago.”

                  I was amused that the presumed perp was “eyeing up” the daughter! Why that’s a felony right there!

      2. KK. 100%. Is Bo KK then? It wouldn’t be the most shocking thing to ever happen.

      3. And now all his comments over there are deleted.

      4. DK, how are you able to see that? It says [deleted comment].

        1. The pseudo-Playa seems to be actively scrubbing.

          1. It could be the moderator. I have no idea what the comments were.

            Retarded? Definitely. Offensive? Probably.

            1. Yeah, likely a moderator, based on the replies and the timestamps. I just lucked into seeing the comment before it was scrubbed (as well as Warty’s below @ 9:47p before it was scrubbed).

      5. @MGPJR @Playa Manhattan Somebody here is very sensitive to delete such a harmless comment. Do all Clevelanders have such inferiority complexes?

        1. Do all Clevelanders have such inferiority complexes?

          Yes, of course. Theirs is probably as bad as Boston’s, only much sadder because they’re trying to measure up to Pittsburgh instead of New York.

    8. I don’t see the connection to Bo here.

      1. Strictly circumstantial. He’s been spun up lately, and he really really hates us.

      2. The spoof account of Playa was made just yesterday or today after Bo got massively dogpiled in the Obama thread last night. What do you think?

      3. I’m leaning toward it being KK. But I’m also increasingly open to the idea that Bo is a long-term KK sock.

        1. Well I’m just not going to contemplate that level of crazy if that is true. I’ve long stopped responding to him either way. Frankly the constant arguing with him is just as annoying. Hell, it’s becoming increasingly common for people to talk about him when he’s not even in the thread yet. Look above, it happens several times. This shits up the thread just as much.

          1. It’s a transition period. Of course, it has to get worse before it gets better, but it will be worth it.

        2. I’m leaning toward it being KK. But I’m also increasingly open to the idea that Bo is a long-term KK sock.

          I don’t think KK is capable of that kind of long game. Too unstable.

          The simplest explanation is that Bo is the person he appears to be, and when he began posting he expected to be embraced here. It hasn’t happened, and after the events of the past couple of months he decided to go on offense.

          His future Salon piece “Why I’m an Ex-Libertarian!” is sure to be a classic.

          1. “The simplest explanation is that Bo is the person he appears to be, and when he began posting he expected to be embraced here”

            I agree, and I’d add that he started posting here, hoping against hope, that his experience posting elsewhere wouldn’t be repeated, since we were wise enough to embrace his obvious brilliance!
            Which, of course, met the same end it had elsewhere.
            Again, the simplest explanation is that he’s a raging asshole who simply will not accept that truth.

  14. Another Reason article comment sectioned shit on by Bo.

    Is this the standard for every evening article now? Bo comes in, trolls and shits all over the comments until they’re dead?

    1. *section

    2. We keep asking people to ignore it.

      Stupid individualists. LET ME RULE WITH CONVICTION.

      1. I’ve made it a rule to not reply. It just isn’t worth it.

    3. To be fair, Fission… every article of note has a parade rained upon it by this circus of broad thought. To draw attention to a single dude is sort of missing the reality of what goes on this strange world.

  15. Well, whatever it is that I did, I guess I made Bo really come out of the closet.

    I was just being me and I’m still pretty sure he’s the same guy that was posting with me on Politico, although I will say again, I have no positive proof. But whatever it was I said, apparently made Bo go full on Sheek/Tony hybrid.

    1. From what I’ve seen of Tony, he’s an outright pinko.

      1. Thymirus|3.18.15 @ 9:24PM|#
        “From what I’ve seen of Tony, he’s an outright pinko.”

        Full-on and perfectly capable of claiming “UP” = “DOWN” to justify some claim or other.

        1. To be fair, he’s merely a self aware moral relativist. He completely understands the farce that is a post-Progressive Era nation with Enlightenment Era founding principles, but he wants to use that moral vacuum to bust some heads and get his way. Government is God to him just as it was to Lenin and Stalin.

    2. Did someone link to this above? When did this happen?

    3. I don’t think he’s a true believer like Tony, I think he’s just trolling.

  16. That’s a double edged sword, though. In the primaries, all some groups have to do is show that picture of him hanging out with Al Sharpton…

    He should be doing things like pushing for sentencing form (and legalization) because they are good things for everyone, instead, he seems to be pandering to race hustlers. I don’t think that’s going to win votes from anyone.

  17. HUZZAH, it’s gone!

    For now.

  18. OT: In the market for a new car. Can’t figure out what I want. Anyone driven a Jetta GLI or Golf GTI? May go take a look at one of those.

    I’d just can’t find a non-luxury car that I really like the looks of.

    1. Japanese.

      1. What I buy always and I keep those wheels for at least a decade. Big sporty Avalon fan and I like the big Toyota SUV’s. I used to like Nissan until they couldn’t haul my massive dick around in their tiny trucks. I sold a couple of Nissans that actually ate entire mountains to a big cock redneck who hunted bears and mean raccoons and I did not see his big cock I just knew his cock was huge when he showed up to buy my Nissan 4×4 mountain eater in 1994 carrying his six dogs in a suitcase. You don’t mess with shit like. Never ever fucking mess with coon hunters… Never ever…

        Coon hunters live in an entirely different world than you and I and it isn’t necessarily nice and not necessarily mean but it can get Russian real quick if you at least offer a measure of respect…. coon hunters are used to cutting shit and I generally prefer not to get cut.

        1. 2007 Toyota minivan. Nothing a coon hunter would want, but I like it. I’m going to run it into the ground before I even think about a new car. I have 3 boys, there’s no point in trying to have nice things.

          1. We’ve been running Toyotas and nssans into the ground since before we were poor and really fucking young… I’m listening to fucking action Bronson eat a fucking Milkshake and explain some other palatial trips on the meats whilst I attempt to respond to the Manhattan which is an excellent drink by the way if done correctly…

            1. Seriously looking at the Hyundai Sonata for my wife’s next sedan. I think that the Koreans are bypassing Japan quickly. Have you seen the models for Hyundai?

              You have to get up to BMW class to beat how beautiful these Hyundai cars are now, the Genesis is wow, fucking nice.

              1. The Genesis is sweet on the fuckin eyeballs but it isn’t long distance yet…. was born in 2008 maybe? I’ve been driving avalons since ’99. Owned only two Avalons… because their long distance jizz is realz… I gave my last Avalon to mom and it the mileage stopped at fucking 240k like 3 years before I gave it to her…

                1. …and it was in perfect health. zero probz…

                  1. Well, I drove a ford pickup truck 300,000 miles. My daughter has 300k+ now miles on her pontiac grandam and my wife has 90k on her pontica G6.

                    Now, all of those cars had serious and expensive maintenance of course, except the wifey’s G6 GT and all I’ve done with that car is get her new tires and brakes and replace both of the headlamp assemblies because GMs stock parts for those have shoddy wiring harnesses.

                    But yeah, I hear you. Cars are much better and more reliable than they used to be.

                    I just cant get over the looks of Hyundai’s aesthetics for the price. I think we will probably buy a new Sonata this year, and I’m looking at an SUV for me, not sure which one yet, although I really like the new Jeep and the Toyota FJ Cruiser.

                    1. Jeep, I meant the Grand Cherokee. I had one a couple years ago, but sold it I like the looks of the new ones.

                    2. You can just fukin all roll on that pile of rainbows hype. Why you gotta act like a comet rushin into that street and this street and those wheels might zoom into a world you don’t have a key for….

                      I’m not really sure what just hapened there…. I may be really fucking fucked up at this point…

        2. “carrying his six dogs in a suitcase.”

          I believe it. I don’t understand it but I believe.

          1. I asked for the explain behind the goddam miracle of all those dogs in that fucking suitcase and he acted as if I was questioning god- and as an atheist i never question god only people who believe in god… and action bronson just fucking said in my ear he is going to do a fucking elbow drop in some fudge… reality seems to be very liquid right now… like a fucking spoon mixing all that shit up into a froth

      2. I try to come around on the japper cars but apparently I’m too picky. I just think that most cars these days look fat and overweight. I’d love to be able to pick up a new e92 bmw 328i.

        My indecisiveness has kept me driving my 12 year old truck 1000 km’s per week.

        1. Your indecisiveness is money fucking well spent, radiation.

          1. A wise man you are AC.

            1. Wise is what they call the mountains you hunt monsters on, radiation

              1. Agile… I really want to meet you in person. I feel you would fill my mind with stardust dreams and ingots of knowledge.

                Or a lot of good drugs. Either way, I figure I’d come out ahead. If you’re ever in the SoCal region, the local reasonoids are pretty good about meeting up.

    2. Me, too. I’m going to buy a new or slightly used Honda Accord. Probably new, since they don’t go down in price very quickly, and I’m not someone who swaps out cars ever two years.

  19. So we have all these organs of great liberal thought all over the fucking place. Just reeking with progressive jewelry. Article after fucking article of lip sperm and cunt sploodge. Amaze after amaze. News byte after fucking news byte. Blog post after blog post. It’s been never-ending since the mid to-late 90’s. Sadly I’ve been reading this shit for about fucking two goddamn decades and yet all of this liberal thought hasn’t held a single fucking Democratic administration shoe to the goddamn fire when it comes to brutal oppression of those who enjoy getting high or getting free or getting uncensored or getting fucking real.

    No fucking whisper of revo-fucking-lution while thousands upon thousands are arrested and incarcerated over a goddamn motherfucking drugs and weed over many many years. YET, GET the GODDAMN BANKERS! GET THE GODDAMN K-CUPS! GET THE GODDAMN CLIMATE SAVED! SAVE THAT FUCKING OWL!

    Zero energy for human life throughout the land unless you are conveniently fucking black in which case the popular Leftist rags just fucking USE the goddamn blacks and blacks just fall lockstep into that fucking convenient progressive trope.

    cont..

    1. Fact is, the Drug War has no fucking ideological center point. It is NOT a liberal battle because liberals suck at winning anything substantial and without liberal muscle the only left is Libertarian passion. The right wing is a disastrous assault on drug freedom. The Drug War is a humanitarian disaster of fucking epic proportion and the braindead shills at MTV have the quaint and sterile left-wing corporate audacity to act as if their question matters… it doesn’t fucking matter MTV. Grow the fuck up!

  20. Since a thread dies after a mere 2 hours, and the only crazy I’ve witnessed is tony and bushpig, with a dash of Craiginmass protest king, I still think bo is OK. I must miss all the crazy.

    1. tony isn’t bad. The boys here get all a goofy but he’s a classic progressive. Not a big deal. I actually like him. Palins buttplug shows up from time to time and the boys don’t like him. I like Palins buttplug also. Not because I agree with them necessarily but because the threads have certain glow about them when all the boys get to knocking about..

      1. Haha I have to agree with you here AC

        1. Fission on the other hand… no one knows what happens to all of us when he shows up, dinky. is Fission really good for humans? There are no rad pills here on Reason to deal with fission. Fission smiles but I’m not sure when I talk to the old boy I ain’t slowly dyin.

      2. Buttpig isn’t real, AC, I hate to tell you.

        Tony is, he’s just a lost soul stuck in leftopia.

        1. It’s all a managed rhythm… I ain’t going to be trolled by anyone and will get the great knowledge and I will get the thread steps and I will reminisce on the sunrises and sunsets… nothing has to be real, Hyp. But the real is the greatest harmony because it is the gold. It is the fluid expression. Genuine. And war causes interplay. The delicate machinations…

            1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUxQeY2xmH0

              close, most Heroic M… we sense the mouth of the great faces and. well… I’m kinda little bit too fucked up to get that correct clean youtube link you like so much but…

              1. I know that ice cream place! It’s near where I was born!

                1. Goddamn… wowzo… shit be gettin real, broz! I’m into this… like fucking big time… you ain’t fukin with me right?

                    1. Badass man. You don’t even fukin know… old concrete, old homes, old comforts, tired streets… mean food… deep memories

                    2. Jesus christ, no… I was raised in the fuckin tired White quarter in a dying goddamn toledo Ohio- don’t google it. Doesn’t exist on there…. My neighborhood was killed by the ghetto and we escaped that world in 1992….and I’m about as racist as a goddamns rock… but that world shaped my young world… I appreciate that fuckin grit and meanness and NY and Queens is the birthplace of that fucking ultra demon… victorian toledo was killed by the poor blacks because all the fuckin whites left… and the ones that stayed had to fight gangsters that all the niggas on CNN like to act like don’t exist

  21. Obama proposes mandatory voting.

    as long as none of the above is on every ballot I can live with this, but I don’t think he really wants to count those votes.

    1. Yo, Bama… why you got to act like a punk ass bitch and get all these other punk asses all fined and imprisoned over all your gubmental cock sperm shooting votin’ law presents all over the colleges so all the hot girls want to fuck you and lick your ass, brah? What if those hoes haven’t voted but they want to ride yo jizz river, brah? Why you gotta roll like a punk ass, fuckin BAMA! Bama wazzup!?

      1. Nigga is a playa… He ain’t no fuckin G…. get real, nigga….You roll whitehouse
        yet the wheels in the potholes smack with inner,
        the city where those niggas raise bricked-in dirty babies,
        you know this…
        and the silver pistols are real and the bullets aren’t
        plastic cuz the playgrounds in the dead cities where
        Obama doesn’t roll do cease into weeds and old tires

        The streets creak with the blood and sweat
        of the lonely poor and the temporary samurai
        I remember looking at the curbs where tired rain
        fell into the filthy unseeing pipes and I wondered why I
        had only two black friends because I was raised to not fucking
        be racist yet almost all the blacks I knew hated white…

        I had to survive on deserts of concrete hurting others so
        my face would not bleed… I did not want to break noses
        and make the gutters bleed …I did this because bitch ass
        motherfuckers did not roll with letting a geek on the street
        be free… I gave space and was rewarded with a freak show
        no math of trust in the halls of a lonely marbled education
        where blacks and whites and asians and spanish have
        decided that life is slave to ego and the fist becomes jesus.

    2. I propose that every president can only serve one, non-paid 4 year term, and that at the end of that term they must be exiled to Antarctica for the rest of their life and be forever more banned from speaking publicly.

      I’d like that law to be named ‘The kindmss to all Americans and FYTW Mr. Presidnet act.’

      1. yes.! presidents should fucking end up as penguin food.!

    3. I thought you were kidding (or just hyping up some offhand comment)

      Not so much

      I like how he throws out how it would “counteract” money in politics. That’s got to be one of the most absurd stretches since…. well, yesterday, when Josh Earnest said something about how much Obama values ‘transparency’.

      If everyone were ‘forced’ to vote, the demand for political advertising would go through the roof. Because it would be all about “name recognition”, and nothing to do with policy. It would completely obliterate the actual “policy centric” voters who spoil elections by always showing up.

      1. Josh earnest is a horrible human. No one is receiving his packets..

      2. think adee Australia, sweet Gilmoria

        1. i’d rather not. Aussies are remarkably happy with intrusive, “fix everything” government. which is bad whether its liberals or conservatives, and which is how it would be here. lowest common denominator is always “DO MOAR”

          1. What my flippin tryout was workin to express… a bit of the liquors have rocketed into my face from all those tables…over there… Aussies are horrible humans also …. Aussies have no huge cocks- this is why these fucking twats lost their goddamn guns…

            America still has huge cocks..

            1. When the sorry tired head shaven horrid trolls from the government have confiscated American guns once and for all there will never ever be true music on the earth. Nothing great comes from countries with zero guns.

              1. The gun is the musical note of a great planetary force.
                and, my brain condones no war, however, the individual
                armed with powerful glistening barrels that can unleash the
                devils of gleaming silver keep the evil of camps and gas
                chambers at bay…

                I am no fan of the Zion powers but i GET the Zion powers
                seeking reprieve from the chambers that wail and finish like
                a devils sledge… no reason to deny… no reason to act as
                if millions were not killed… there is no game greater than
                genocide and the franchised removal of a particular gene…

                Yeah, I get the Israelite militarization ethos and how it is
                like Grumman, Taser, and Stingray… Over the top deadly…
                But putting aside all the weak and nasty filth that should die
                forever here…. the end of Israel is the end of the Jews. Israel
                is better than the spikes of Islam.

                1. Israel is improved over the old religion that never adapts
                  Islam refuse to move and change. Islam is what Islam wants
                  the world to ‘get’ and ‘understand’… Islam is not a good planetary force.
                  Islam is largely death for those that do not conform… Islam is a CNN
                  tube of throat fucking… Islam is the Leftwing religion in places where
                  you cannot cut the fucking heads off your political force…

                  Islam is the knife of modern European democracy.
                  Islam is the coming Nazi but without the German intellect.
                  Islam was more enlightened 500 hundred years ago than now which means that modern Islam is held hostage by genocidal maniacs. This means Islam is on the verge of dying for billions…

                  When they all wake up…. Islam will be the loneliest religion and the religion with the most outlaws.

  22. OK people, this needs to stop.

    You don’t like Bo, fine. You think he’s a troll fine. You say he shits on thread and to ignore him – and then there’s a 3/4 page thread of you and he trading insults.

    Is this supposed to be better?

    Because, from the outside – the viewpoint of those of us who don’t *care* – I can tell you its not.

    You are *all* shitting on these threads.

    There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Leave the thread, change the subject, and I’ll spare your lives. Just walk away and we’ll give you a safe passageway in the forums. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.

    1. Well, all sorts of things have gone to and from these various angles and shit but you can’t really kill me even if you are a pissed Agammamon… I am just these fonts and fonts can’t be murdered, Ag.

      See now… I dance in front of your fucking bullets and swords, biatch…..

    2. “But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Leave the thread, change the subject, and I’ll spare your lives.”

      How KIND of you!

      1. I agree with Agammamon. Fight if you want, but I wish everyone did it with devastating logic, solid citations, and rapier wit. Feces-flinging gets tedious fast.

        1. PapayaSF|3.19.15 @ 12:48AM|#
          “I agree with Agammamon. Fight if you want, but I wish everyone did it with devastating logic, solid citations, and rapier wit. Feces-flinging gets tedious fast.”

          Sorry, you seem to think that Bo can somehow be reasoned out of the infection. Not true.
          If everyone abandoned this thread, Bo would simply follow to a new one. This is not a contagion that can be contained by ignoring it; it simply pops up wherever there is new activity.
          So please, if you have a solution, shy of just abandoning the entire site, let’s hear it.

        2. Or you might be complaining that Bo should get a better class of opponents. I disagree; Bo *deserves* 1st-grade level responses; s/he’s a 1st-grade level asshole.

        3. That’s exactly what he wants.

          1. Bo would be perfectly happy to make comments on every thread that went unchallenged. It would feed his ego. He has come unhinged lately because people started calling him on his bullshit and treated him like he treats others. I’m glad people have finally seen thru his “libertarian” pureness for the proggy troll he really is. I don’t think for a second he believes any of the libertarian stances he takes because he makes so many prog style accusations when he’s challenged.

            He deserves to be treated just like Dunphy. Every comment he makes needs to be ridiculed.

    3. You are *all* shitting on these threads.

      No, no no. They’re the enforcers, enforcing conformity to the libertarian orthodoxy.
      Imagine somebody new dropping in here, attracted by a topic important to her. She wants to see more of libertarianism, and perhaps make a comment or two. So she checks the comments page and runs away in horror, never to return. One reason, I suspect, that the libertarian label is accepted by only 5.3% of Americans, and rejected by 91% of even libertarians.
      Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

      1. Michael Hihn|3.19.15 @ 10:06AM|#
        “No, no no. They’re the enforcers, enforcing conformity to the libertarian orthodoxy.”

        Mike, you’re an insufferable asshole who approaches Bo.
        Fuck off.
        (laughing)

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