Police Abuse

Prosecutors: Not Enough Evidence Cops Who Shot Unarmed Man 16 Times As He Lay In Bed Acted With 'Malice'

A judge recently ruled the Washington man's lawsuit could move forward, but prosecutors say they aren't impressed by the evidence.

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Four years ago cops from the King's County Sheriff's Office and the state Department of Corrections (DOC) in Washington busted into the home of Dustin Theoharis and shot the unarmed man 16 times as he lay in bed. Theoharis had at least a dozen surgeries but survived. He sued the county, settling for $3 million, and has also sued the DOC.

Both the county and the department have ruled the shootings justified, despite the lack of a firearm and the fact that the two cops shot a man 16 times as he lay in bed. Earlier this month a judge ruled Theoharis' excessive force lawsuit against the DOC could move forward, citing the cops' questionable testimony (they didn't provide a statement for weeks after the shooting).

But that's not enough for county prosecutors, who when they declined three years ago to charge the two officers, in part because they said the officers wouldn't give them statements, said they would review the decision if new information came out. Via The Seattle Times:

On Friday, the Prosecutor's Office released this statement:

"We have reviewed the depositions and other documents from the civil case, including the recent ruling from the Federal court presiding over the civil lawsuit. We did not find any new information that would change our legal analysis.

"There remains insufficient evidence that the officers were acting with malice or in bad faith when they used deadly force," the statement added. "The State would not be able to disprove the justifiable use of deadly force beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, we are unable to file criminal charges. "

Both officers appear to remain employed with their respective agencies, while according to his attorney Theoharis, a mechanic, is still recovering from his injuries and unable to work.

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  1. 3 million? That seems a little on the low side for getting shot 16 times in bed and having a dozen surgeries.

    1. That’s just the lawsuit against the county. He also has a pending excessive force lawsuit against the department.

      If he got 3 million from the county he’s probably going to get a couple million from the department as well. I doubt it will even go to trial. Given that he already got several million from the county, the attorneys defending the department are probably just going to settle.

      1. Yeah, but half goes to the lawyer. 12 surgeries is really expensive, especially if this guy is uninsured. He could have already burned through the $750k he got to keep after taxes.

        BTW, I like the way you argue. I’ll be in your bushes.

        1. Make sure to avoid Palin’s Buttplug while you’re there. I tend to find condoms, voided stock certificates, and unreadable handwritten death threats directed towards George W. Bush when he’s been in the area recently.

          1. “voided stock certificates”

            Thank you for that. You captured it perfectly.

        2. There probably are no taxes as it is an award to repair damages and not usually considered income like a lottery winning.

          1. I don’t know the exact details, and my wife isn’t here to ask, but the two times I’ve been awarded damages, I got 1099’ed.

            1. No shit ?

              I’ve only got damages once for breach of contract but no 1099.

              What was you’r for and if it’s damages how is that considered icome ?

              1. BoC and fraud. Sprint PCS stole some money from my business a few years ago.

                There were punitive damages, but only a portion.

                The whole thing was taxable, according to my lawyer.

          2. According to a quick google search, the personal injury portion of a settlement is not taxable. What portion of his settlement was “personal injury” I have no idea.

            1. I assume that loss of future earnings would be taxable, because you would have paid income taxes on those future earnings.

              Again, I’m not sure, though. My wife is the expert on all of this, and I’m out for the day.

              1. The more complicated that the fuckin’ god-damned parasitical lawyers and the God-Damned Government Almighty can make it for us to understand all the ins and outs of this, the more money flows to the fuckin’ parasites? That is all that there is to it. All their bureaucratic details, yes, the more the better. But that about wraps it up, as far as peons like us need to understand it, as we peons get peed-on? March on to the Grand get-peed-on, ye peons!!!

          3. Personal injury settlements are tax free.

  2. Both the county and the department have ruled the shootings justified, despite the lack of a firearm and the fact that the two cops shot a man 16 times as he lay in bed.

    I mean, I get FYTW and all but what the fuck? Is there some detail missing like he was snoring right for them or aggressively dreaming or some such?

    1. It’s the King County Sheriff’s Office, dude. This is the outfit that has officers that beat the shit out of teenage girls for kicking off a shoe at them.

      1. *breaks jaw*

        It’s not personal.

        *breaks arm*

        It’s just my job.

        *punches in stomach*

        I’m not angry or anything.

        *dislocates shoulder*

        There’s no malice in my actions.

        *breaks nose*

        I’m just following my training.

    2. It can’t be malice, because Theoharis was white.

  3. Every. Single. Day.

    This shit happens every day, in one form or another. I’m getting tired of reading it. Every story makes me want to stand up and exact vigilante justice for the victim. It’s enough to drive a good person bad.

    It’s feudalism. The robber barons that run the local fiefdoms have complete control, and are allowed to take our money and kill us with impunity. The only thing they have to do to ensure their power stays intact is pay the king his royal tithe, and give away some free shit to the proles.

    I’ve lost hope that people will wake up and revolt. Every evil regime that has existed has collapsed because of economic reasons or external force. Internal strife won’t collapse the government. Bloody revolutions don’t stop oppressive regimes. We’re going to slip into that cold dark night, and the only reason we’ll ever come back to the light is when we find the fires of a foreign power invading our shores.

    The U.S. is totally fucked.

    1. I hope MLK didn’t have to suffer through this kind of indulgent fatalism.

      1. Hmph to you.

        My knee hurts, and it’s putting me in a bit of a mood.

        Just let me be pissy.

        1. We must have perception. We are winning, slowly.

          1. DERP that should be *perspective*. But perception is important too. Can’t get throught the day without that.

          2. You already have it. Police recruitment is down as much as 50%. Seems that people don’t care much for jobs where you can beat the shit out of your neighbors as a perk.

            1. Source for that recruitment figure?

        2. He used to be an adventurer just like the rest of HnR until he took the arrow in the knee.

    2. Not yet, and that’s the disturbing part.

      We need another Battle of Athens. We need one bad.

    3. Every evil regime that has existed has collapsed because of economic reasons or external force. Internal strife won’t collapse the government. Bloody revolutions don’t stop oppressive regimes.

      +1 Seldon crisis.

    4. This shit happens every day, in one form or another.

      It’s been happening for as long as there have been humans. It’s actually happening less now, you are just hearing about it more.

      It’s feudalism.

      No, it’s not; not even close.

      I’ve lost hope that people will wake up and revolt. Every evil regime that has existed has collapsed because of economic reasons or external force.

      Oh, stop the FUD. Yeah, the US government screws up in lots of ways; it has always screwed up. Generally, it’s been getting better anyway.

      1. “Generally, it’s been getting better anyway”

        Based on what criteria or reference?

    5. RussianPrimeMinister says:”Every story makes me want to stand up and exact vigilante justice for the victim”
      ———

      The state doesn’t kick down your door and shoot you. Individuals do. Bullies keep bullying until they get taken down.

      No consequences to bad behavior?-Bad behavior continues. No recourse thru the courts?-Recourse by other means.

      Everybody lives somewhere. Everybody has something to loose. Something to feel pain and suffer over the loss of.

      When the gangsters with badges have to keep looking over their shoulders maybe this shite will stop.

      1. Weathership, its like one of those crimes, where there are a ton of people around, but nobody does anything.

        Everyone is waiting for someone else, to act.

  4. Tulpa? Dunphy? Comments?

    1. They wouldn’t have shot him if he hadn’t done something, I want to see all the evidence, procedures were followed when the guns discharged, and the important thing is that these heroes got medals for getting home safely after patrolling their sectors for civilians furtively threatening Morgan Fairchild.

      1. Come on man, they investigated the shit out of themselves and came to the preordai I mean only logical conclusion that it was a good shoot/accidental discharge/furtive snoring/possible imaginary weapon/disrespect of cop/totality of circs and our HeroBlue cohort went home safely after their dangerous encounter with the SUPINE KILLER. WTF else do you want?

        1. MeThinks that the supine killer was threatening to use “booger beam” on Our Heroes?
          “Booger beam” for ye ignoramuses out there, is to hold one nostril closed, and blow snot out upon the un-suspecting universe, sans booger-rag? Just FYI?
          HOW MANY years in jail would I get for threatening to blow up the galaxy, by using “booger beam”? For blowing up the local galactic cluster w/the same? For blowing up the whole stinkin’ UNIVERSE w/the same, for Guv-Mint Almighty’s sake?!?!
          If “booger beam” sounds too threatening? How many years do I get, if I threaten to hurt yer baby feelins, by holdin’ mah breath!??!?! Or is that “capital punishment” time?
          Anyway, Supine Killer, I suspect, was secretly threatening Our Heroes with Booger Beam? Even a bed-ridden villain can use Booger Beam, I might add?

          1. I always thought that was a snotrocket

          2. Now I have to gouge out my mind’s eye!

    2. “But that’s not enough for county prosecutors, who when they declined three years ago to charge the two officers, in part because they said the officers wouldn’t give them statements”

      I can fill in:

      If you can’t get a statement, then how can you charge them for shooting an unarmed man in bed 16 times? How are you supposed to charge them if you can’t get a statement?

      Cops have rights, too, you know.

      And, the story doesn’t mention if they tazed the guy after they shot him 16 times in bed, but if they didn’t taze him after they shot him? Then that’s clear evidence that they were showing all due restraint.

      1. 16 shots does not show malice.

        now if they had shot him 17 times ?

        Well buddy that would have shown malice. Make no mistake about it. 17 times is malicious indeed.

        1. Only for one. 16 is 8 shots each. 17 means one acted with restraint, the other acted with malice.

        2. Well you’re right if each officer had a mag that held 8 bullets. Because the act of actually reloading for the 17th shot should’ve given them enough time to pause and consider their actions. But if the either mag held more than 8 then it’s obviously not an act of malice.
          Sheesh, get your facts straight will you?

        3. 16 shots only shows how bad of shots cops really are. They use the “pull the trigger until your empty” method.

          I’ve done a fair amount of shooting and there have been the occasional, off duty cops around when I have. None of us hunter/sport shooter types have been particularly impressed with cop’s ability to handle a weapon let alone fire it effectively. Throw in the adrenaline rush of firing it on a raid and well,

          I’m amazed they hit 16 times. A Glock 19 standard police use is 15 round capacity. Two officers firing until empty is 30 rounds fired. That’s slightly more than 50% hitting. And, at close range.

          When I started hunting as just a lad, the standard procedure was that you began with a single shot rifle or shotgun until you gained some skills. That was so you’d learn to make your shot count and not just pull the trigger until the weapon was empty. Many times there is a reason for the old ways.

  5. Side question: How on the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s noodley Earth do you shoot someone lying in a bed 16 fucking times and not kill them? That’s taking police marksmanship to a whole new level.

    1. That’s why I’m saying that the $3 million settlement isn’t nearly enough.

      That’s a whole lot of holes to patch up.

      1. Maybe they’re paying less money out as a reward for not finishing the guy off.

        1. Sadly, killing people IS cheaper.

    2. With great power comes great incompetence.

      Those words should replace E Pluribus Unum as the government’s motto.

      1. +1 Spider Ham

        1. He’s not Spider Pig anymore, he’s Harry Plopper.

    3. 16 bullets in the dick won’t kill you.

      It WILL require an awful lot of surgery, though.

    4. Probably 9mm’s. Hard pointy bullets. They just make a pinhole in flesh, sounds like this guy had a lot of broken bones though.

      16 hits out of 20, no doubt panic fire, is a pretty good hit rate. My guess is they were standing at the foot of his bed.

      If they didn’t hit his heart, brain, or major arteries he could survive.

      Actually I remember a case of a police woman in Tuscon(?) who was shot through the heart with one of those hard pointy nines and was back at her desk a week later.

      Bullets do funny things.

      I also remember a case where a pharmacist shot to giant bikers who were trying to rob him. He hit each one once with a 25 auto. They both fell stone dead in their tracks.

      1. Bullets do funny things

        Not that funny. Personally I can be 30 meters away and hit center mass with a 9mm at least 9 times out of ten. Point blank with 20 chances? Gimme a freaking break.

        1. I can easily hit 10 out of 10 at that range, but I am not some pussy in a dark room jacked up on fear and adrenaline who has been aching to shoot someone since jr. high school.

          1. And cocaine. They were probably jacked up on cocaine.

      2. Cops usually use hollow points. Err, I mean “personal defense rounds”.

        So do I, in my bedroom gun. But mine are .45 hollow.

        1. Bedroom gun. More powerful than the living room gun, but less powerful than bathroom gun.

          Don’t want to be caught lightly armed while taking a dump.

          1. The living room gun is way more powerful and meant for offense. 18″ 12 gauge with a folding stock. It’ll kill whoever is on the other side of the front door.

            The bedroom gun includes jurisdiction over the bathroom, as I typically take my dumps in the master bath.

            I would probably wipe my ass before a mag dump, though.

            1. Best. Conversation. Ever.

              1. heh. mag dump

  6. God I wish taxpayers could sue the county for their $3M back.

    1. Well, since government is just another word for the things we choose to do together, clearly the taxpayers are equally guilty. Because SOSHUL KONTRAKT.

      1. So basically it takes a village of idiots?

  7. So, absence of malice means there is *nothing* the cops could be charged with? I’m pretty sure they could dig up a few charges for a civilian shooting another civilian 16 times in bed.
    No charges would be required if there had been a cop victim, since the shooter would have been executed within hours.

    1. We must consider the totalitarianism of the circumstances before we rush to judgement.

      1. I see what you did there.

    2. So, absence of malice means there is *nothing* the cops could be charged with? I’m pretty sure they could dig up a few charges for a civilian shooting another civilian 16 times in bed.

      Yes, different laws apply to cops; they are not civilians. The way to change that is not to keep complaining about cops or prosecutors, the way to change it is to change the laws. And you can do that locally by changing the rules for the use of force for your police department.

      Have you gotten active in local politics?

      1. Cops, ARE civilians, if they don’t like that fact, they can visit the recruiting office, and have some real fun.

  8. I think the problem is that the prosecutor’s office is held hostage by the cops.

    Remember the case of the Florida police woman who gave a speeding ticket to a cop from another department? She was harassed out of her job. The prosecutors are not just scared of the cops, but need them to do their jobs.

    I am not sure what the solution to this problem is. Cops have far too much power. They aren’t very smart, they aren’t very well educated or trained and they have the power to act with impunity in any way they see fit. In addition most are nuts or have some personality disorder. There seem to be an inordinate amount of sadists in their ranks. It is a recipe for disaster.

    As I sit typing this my wife is watching some cop show on TV. The heroes are torturing some guy to get him to talk.

    1. The heroes are torturing some guy to get him to talk.

      Reason #53 why I don’t watch any kind of police procedural or cop show unless the cops are unabashedly made out as corrupt scum, like in The Shield.

      A lot of people are totally fine with brutality if they can put the brutalized in a simplistic “bad guy” column, and they automatically put the brutalizer in the “good guy” column if they’re government agents, without stopping to think of who would want to brutalize another person.

      1. +1 SVU

      2. Law and Order was a documentary, and it was filmed in real time.

        I distinctly remember magic cliffs.

        1. commence to jiggling

      3. You know, my wife and I actually used to argue about Law and Order, before I managed to swing her over to libertarianism.

        I would almost always sympathise with the defendant. There were very few episodes of the original L&W that made the prosecutor look good, or the defendant look really bad.

        Back when Jerry Orbach was on the show, it actually managed to make the cops look good. They would routinely ignore petty drug crimes in their attempts to find murderers and rapists.

        Good times.

        1. You know, my wife and I actually used to argue about Law and Order, before I managed to swing her over to libertarianism.

          Unpossible. TANFL.

      4. Exactly. I don’t watch TV at all hardly. She does constantly. It drives me nuts.

        I despise that shit, but she likes it for some reason. Probably because she has never had any personal experience with the cops.

        I have known a lot of cops. I would say about 1 in 5 was a decent human. The others were pure scum. There don’t seem to be any in between.

        1. And even decent men with a badge are loathsome when they can bring down the full force of the state upon you in the pursuit of enforcement of unjust laws.

      5. In the last episode of Blue Bloods I saw, I was supposed to feel bad for a cop who was about to retire (he looked to be 45-50) after 22 years “on the job”, but would have to “work security” because his pension was too small. Poor guy.

        1. I know a guy who’s a retired cop. He got shot in the thigh about 30 years ago and was back on the job in 2 weeks. He retired at 54 on a pension of $83,000 a year. I don’t feel bad for him.

      6. …and they automatically put the brutalizer in the “good guy” column if they’re government agents…

        But…but…I don’t understand. Isn’t Captain Hammer supposed to be the good guy?

    2. At this point it is too late for ‘fine-tuning’. We need aggressive measures. That means a lot of defunding and even elimination of departments.

      1. That’s mostly up to your local government. Have you gotten active in local politics?

    3. I am not sure what the solution to this problem is. Cops have far too much power. They aren’t very smart, they aren’t very well educated or trained and they have the power to act with impunity in any way they see fit. In addition most are nuts or have some personality disorder. There seem to be an inordinate amount of sadists in their ranks. It is a recipe for disaster.

      If the ratbagging teafuckers would just shut up and pay their taxes, then we could afford to pay cops enough to attract more than just incompetent sadists to the position.

      /mindless prog

    4. My idea is that the police and prosecutors offices aren’t in the same jurisdiction. Town A’s police submit to the prosecutor in town B. Town B police go to Town C. and Town A handles actions brought by Town C.

      I can immediately think of all sorts of corruption, graft, and horros that this set-up can provide, but at least there is a chance a prosecutor’s office might not be beholden to their local police force which is more than we have now.

  9. This is the kind of shit that happened in pre-CRA days until, finally, the U.S. AG stepped in and put a stop to it. We need a president who can appoint someone like Judge Napolitano to clean up the local justice system that allows cops to get away with totally unreasonable use of force.

    1. I think a simpler method would be requiring cops to carry liability insurance as a condition for employment the same way that doctors and anyone with a car does. I imagine they would be a little less trigger happy if their molestation of citizens directly hit them in the wallet.

      1. I think that is an excellent idea. Maybe even the only one that would have any effect.

        1. I’m skeptical. Next contract negotiation would have the department just pick up the cost of premiums. Besides, they don’t need to carry insurance, just be personally liable rather than hiding behind their employer.

          Generally, I think one of the things missing from modern life is that petty bureaucrats don’t have to be concerned with tar and feathers as the result of their actions.

    2. Napolitano will just sit in his office, shouting questions to his flustered secretary.

      We need someone who will take agressive action!

      We need. . . . . . . Dolf Lundgren.

      1. I must break you.

    3. “….pre-CRA days..”

      I stopped in a gun store in Little Rock once just to peruse their inventory. Two retired cops were sitting at a little table having coffee and shooting the shit.

      They were reminiscing about the good ol’ days when they could shoot blacks with impunity. Apparently if they saw blacks out after dark they would just shoot them on sight, or so they claimed, and they did it a lot.

      As bad as things are now, I fear they are actually an improvement over the good ol’ days.

      1. They are. They absolutely are improved. We perceive things to be worse because we’re talking about it more.

        1. They taxed us less, and they didn’t gear up in riot armor and invade our homes.

          I’d say they’re better in some respects. Now they abuse the whites as much as the blacks.

          Hooray?

          1. Well, that’s the thing. Francis Fukuyama-esque, Whig history is simplistic nonsense. It is more accurate to say that each era had its own challenges. To compare those challenges across eras ignores the context in which those challenges occurred.

            To paraphrase a great man, the past is dead and the future is merely fantasy. I’m not interested in whether one point in time is better than another; what I’m interested in is the characteristics of the present and how I shall deal with them.

            1. Don’t be a time traveler, always practice mindfulness and live only in the present…

              Where do I hear that on a weekly basis?

              1. Well, I sometimes whisper it while jerking off outside of Playa’s window.

              2. Metta, Gojira. My kids went to school next door for a couple of years.

                1. Really? How long ago was that? I only started going there regularly a little bit ago.

          2. “They taxed us less”

            When are we talking about? The highest tax rate in the early 60s was over 90%.

            “they didn’t gear up in riot armor and invade our homes”

            Doesn’t mean there weren’t equivalent or worse abuses.

            “Now they abuse the whites as much as the blacks.”

            I would say it’s more equitable than in the past, but I wouldn’t say this is true.

            1. When are we talking about?

              Well, pre-1940’s, US federal taxes were about 5% of GDP. Afterwards, they rose to about 20% of GDP. They have held steady at 20% despite massive changes in marginal tax rates because people basically avoid paying more taxes than that, one way or another.

        2. I don’t know… In some ways, sure. But in the bad/good old days, you could live in many communities where an encounter with a cop was an encounter with a friendly fellow citizen. Was it different for blacks in areas with white cops? Sure. No doubt.

          My dad got drunk and punched a neighbor when I was a kid (the neighbor was drag racing his girlfriend down the street in the afternoon and refused to stop). The cops were absolutely cool about it. Today they would’ve suffocated him before even finding out what happened.

  10. OT but linked on the same page – I thought NYC was a nanny but this is ridiculous.

    Seattle is still home to plenty of folks who aren’t on board with the healthful lifestyle thing, and thanks to new data from Public Health ? Seattle & King County, we know where they are.

    1. Ah, the fried chicken map!

      1. That is a pithier version of what I was thinking too.

    2. Health fascists gonna fascist.

      I do like that downtown (which includes my neighborhood) has the most weed use. I do my part!

      1. It’s only tracking you.

        You must smoke a lot of weed.

        1. I do my part!

          (changes bongwater out)

          I’m actually prepping some THC cold alcohol extraction right now. You know, lazy Sunday stuff.

          1. I’m appalled you didn’t catch the ATHF reference further up thread.

            Remember: if you didn’t respond, it’s the same thing as admitting you didn’t catch it. That’s the rules of the most important pursuit imaginable – winning an internet argument.

            1. Master Shake: Oh you never heard of a check before? Oh me so sorry. Maybe you’re in the wrong business, and maybe immigration would like to know about this.

              Clerk: Good, ’cause you know what? I’m American.

              Master Shake: Well I’m not, but when I become one, maybe then I’ll legally buy a weapon and we won’t have to vote you out of office, will we scumbag?!?

              1. I said a license? I’m not even supposed to be in this country!

      2. I like how weed use doesn’t fit into West Coast health-nazi fantasies. It just couldn’t be a cultural phenomenon.

        1. Remember, smoking weed is fine, but smoking cigarettes–or even vaping–is horrible. Because poor people do it or something.

          Good thing I smoke both weed and cigarettes. And I’m not poor!

          1. I couldn’t stand the smug attitude dripping from this article when I lived in California for one lousy year. At least here in NYC everybody ignores the nannying.

            1. They ignore it here too, it’s just that the nanny hectoring is more tolerated instead of being rudely and blatantly mocked or ignored.

          2. You’re poor in morals and decency, sir.

            1. But rich in debauchery and sex with your mom!

              1. I can top that… I am much into sex with Playa Manhattan’s dog, and his cats, and his gerbil, and his toilet seat, and his refridge, and the contents thereof, and…

                1. Somehow this is relevant, I am not sure precisely how…

                  Q: What is the difference between a gay guy and a regridgerifertater? (Not sure if I spelt that right; too much Mogan David, AKA Mad Dog 20-20, tonite).

                  A: The regridgerifertater does NOT fart after you pull yer meat out!

                  1. He he, Mogan David. I just had some recently after not having had any in over 20 years. Surprisingly better than I remembered.

  11. There remains insufficient evidence that the officers were acting with malice or in bad faith when they used deadly force

    How is that even relevant? They should be judged on their actions, not the intent of their actions.

    1. I see that you’re unfamiliar with our current justice system.

      If you’ll just step this way, please, we’ll get you on the train to the re-education camp. . .

    2. mens rea counts, but only for the right people.

  12. Since when has reasonable doubt ever stopped prosecutor from issuing an indictment? It’s not like juries even know what that means…

    Regardless, isn’t the indictment standard way less than reasonable doubt?

    1. After reading Reason for a number of years, I’m convinced that all grand juries are just a group of idiots that sit still while a prosecutor shouts “HE’S GUILTY!!!” over and over again.

      They might even feed them mind-altering substances first.

      But the system is totally fair. Definitely.

    2. Like I said above, the prosecutors are scared shitless of the cops. If they go after them then all their cases will be torpedoed or they will fall and hit their head on a bullet. Or both.

      Add to that that most prosecutors are sociopaths.

  13. Arent we supposed to be posting at least one recipe on each thread now? I see Epi posted one, sorta.

    1. Yeah, I’m still a little confused about that.

      Does he just soak the weed in alcohol, and then drink it? Or. . .I dunno. . .vape it?

      I’m so confused. Why is that better than just drinking and smoking?

    2. It’s actually NutraSweet’s recipe. One tablespoon ground weed, microwaved for 20 seconds at a time 5-6 times with one minute in between (to burst cell walls). Then that goes in 3oz grain alcohol for two weeks, shaken once a day.

      This can then be added to drinks, food, what have you.

      1. Copy, Paste, save as word document.

      2. Enlighten me. What does this accomplish?

        Will it get you more blitzed than smoking the weed and drinking the alcohol in tandem?

        1. Orally consumed weed takes longer to affect you (up to an hour or so instead of immediately) but then can get you very high and it lasts much longer than smoked weed. It can also be consumed in a smoke-free environment or hidden in food or drink.

          It’s a different way to get high. Some people prefer it. I’m still deciding if I do.

          1. Suuuuure. And I’m still deciding if I like alcohol.

      3. Shit. I was just in KY last weekend and forgot to get some grain. I was thinking about it before I left too. Weather distracted me.

        1. Sad I can get good weed delivered but have to drive a 100 miles to get grain alcohol. This is why I need some land and some privacy. Make my own hootch.

          1. I had a friend get me the grain while he was in Oregon so I could avoid Washington’s absurd liquor taxes.

            1. They outlawed it in Ohio 30 some years ago when a couple teenagers who were under the legal age anyways died. W3 have a max on beer abv as well. 12.5 maybe? Stupid nannies.

            2. I got Everclear in Vegas on New Years Eve 2000. Never again.

              I think that was the last time I ever did a backflip into rose bushes.

            3. Tax dodger! Kill him!

          2. I got a good connection for that here in NE Ohio. Apple pie, tea, peach and even cotton candy flavored.

    3. Cocktail recipes don’t count.

      I need a bean recipe that won’t give me gas. I’m open to suggestions.

      1. Well a couple suggestions. Make sure to soak the beans overnight, drain and do not use the soaking water, then rinse them well after soaking before cooking. That will belp. The best suggestion is to eat more fiber on a daily basis. After a week or two your body adjust to it and beans and other high fiber foods won’t affect you the same way.

        1. It’s also very good for you. 20+ grams a day is not that difficult to manage once you make yourself aware of where to get it from ie google.

          1. My bloodwork was almost perfect last month, but I do need to eat more fiber. I’ve been eating beans twice a day for the last 2 weeks, but they really don’t play well with beer.

            When I make Mexican pinto beans, I add epazote, which reduces gas. But I can’t have those every day…

            1. Interesting. We have epazote and I knew it was used in bean dishes but I did not know it was used for that. I just thought it was for flavor.

              1. I believe it was incorporated into bean dishes for that reason. But it tastes OK too.

            2. “I’ve been eating beans twice a day for the last 2 weeks, but they really don’t play well with beer.”

              Jeebus, you are a fire hazard. I hope you don’t have a pilot light in your house. Your house will explode in the middle of the night.

              1. I’m powering through it. My wife, on the other hand….

    4. We made Red Velvet Waffles with Cream Cheese glaze for brunch. I’m not a big carb head but was awesome.

  14. “There remains insufficient evidence that the officers were acting with malice or in bad faith when they used deadly force,” the statement added. “The State would not be able to disprove the justifiable use of deadly force beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, we are unable to file criminal charges. “

    I wasn’t aware that there was a “malice” or “bad faith” legal requirement that had to be satisfied before the government would lock away clearly reckless, dangerous people who harm others through unnecessary, irredeemable violence.

    If that is the case, then perhaps it should be corrected.

    1. No, we can use this to our advantage.

      As long as we are completely calm and clear-headed, we’re allowed to violently depose our elected officials!

      After all, the precedent has been set, right?

      1. Good point.

        Forgive me sir for shooting your kneecaps, for I come in peace.

    2. Locking up would be awesome, but I’d be really happy just to see someone fired at this point.

    3. It’s in the secret set of laws that applies only to the King’s Men.

  15. The system of prosecution is broken in the free society. No steps can be taken in the direction of advanced culture when prosecutors collude with law enforcers. A greater intelligence is required so that we do not retrograde as an open and freedom-based civilization. Without a new approach the old order of tyranny will descend rapidly as it has done repeatedly throughout the ages.

  16. This makes a ll kinda of sense dude.

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    1. I’m starting to think you don’t even read the articles you comment on.

      1. HOW could you be so BI-ASSED?!?!? At least I have an excuse, my ass is “bi” because it swings both ways…

        Anyway, to accuse a spam-bot of not reading the articles, is utterly biased and prejumadissed… Ah ams not dissin’ ya, just bein’ fractual…

  17. Look. The cops feared for their lives. Did they have anything to actually fear? In this exact instance, no. But they still felt that way. Would you do their job? Would you risk your life out there every day? Policing is like the most dangerous job and stuff! It’s a war out there! They can’t be expected to second guess themselves! They might die if they hesitate! So what if some criminal dies? Police don’t go after innocent people! They go after bad guys! They deserve the benefit of the doubt! Besides, what was this guy? A mechanic? That’s nothing! The people who shot him were cops! They make a difference in this world! They’re special! They deserve to go home to their families because they do something that is worthwhile! Compared to a mechanic?

    *snort*

    Oh, and like totality of the circumstances and stuff.

    1. Road workers have higher on-the-job fatality rates than law enforcement. Every highway road work flagman should be given a .30-06 and a free pass to fire on any vehicle they feel might endanger the lives of the road crew.

    2. How’d you type that without vomiting all over your keyboard, sarc?

      1. It probably involves consuming enough alcohol to kill STEVE SMITH.

  18. Overreach and over prosecution by prosecutors,(both state and federal) Mostly on drug laws is the number one problem within our justice system. Their methods have become so underhanded and unscrupulous that no justice or civil system nor person can long tolerate or withstand them. Their ability to compel and manipulate jury’s has completely removed justice from within the justice system.they should all be required and held to a much higher standard.At present, they are held, only, to very low standards,no more than any ambulance chaser yet are allowed to make decisions of national import.This allows villains and tyrants to flourish, all hiding behind legal status. Many use their office only to play politics. The protection of our Civil Rights are supposed to be protected by these louts.Instead they completely ignore their responsibility. Most should be tarred and feathered before being ran from town.At the very least, most should be brought before a board and dis-barred on ethical grounds for total disregard and subversion of our Civil Rights as well as incompetent irresponsibility.The Boards who are supposed to censer or control these villains need to be removed for inaction ?

  19. Four years ago cops from the King’s County Sheriff’s Office

    King County… KING COUNTY. There is life west of the Mississippi.

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  21. “The State would not be able to disprove the justifiable use of deadly force beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, we are unable to file criminal charges. “

    The justice system is profoundly broken if you can’t prosecute someone for shooting an unarmed man in his sleep because the perpetrators were wearing special costumes.

  22. Too bad the money awarded comes from the theft of the taxpayer and not the pensions of the cops, who will get away scott free.

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  24. So, attempted suicide it is.

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  26. Get your reporting straight!
    There’s been a miscarriage of justice here.
    These poor officers of the law are being condemned for shooting a man 16 times as he lies in his bed? SIXTEEN TIMES?!?

    But what hasn’t been mentioned at all is that that man was “Dastardly Dustin” the prime suspect in the pillow case.
    That’s right, people all over Washington state are coming forward with stories of how Dee Dee had mortally wounded them in the minist of many knock down drag out pillow fights. So many bruises (slight) were documented it’s enough to make you lose your launch on viewing them. Oh the humanity!
    So since Dee Dee obviously had his weapon of choice near by, it’s only reasonable that the officers execute their discharge of their collective duties in bringing this heinous criminal down. 16 times was too good for that monster.

    After all, think of the children. WHY WON’T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!

  27. To add insult to injury, the cops sent him a cleaning bill for removing the urine stains from their uniforms.

  28. “The State would not be able to disprove the justifiable use of deadly force beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, we are unable to file criminal charges. ”

    If you can’t make that stick, (barring some bizarre law in WA that doesn’t strip them of protection when acting illegally) then this prosecutor needs to lose his/her job.
    Shooting someone 16 times while they are already prone and unarmed is as unjustifiable a use of force as it gets. If someone broke into your home and fell down and you shot them, you’d be in jail for life. This should be no different.

  29. For those wondering here is the statute below. #3 is what the prosecutor is relying on however, as read, the without malice part is dependent on the shooting complying with the rest of the statute (which this certainly does NOT seem to do) This is just horrible, horrible, boot licking by the prosecutor. Disgusting. This man should file a 1983 claim against the prosecutor next.

    WA statute pasted below in pertinent part with cite so you may read the whole thing:

    9A.16.040. Justifiable homicide or use of deadly force by public officer, peace officer, person aiding…(3) A public officer or peace officer shall not be held criminally liable for using deadly force without malice and with a good faith belief that such act is justifiable pursuant to this section.

    (4) This section shall not be construed as:(a) Affecting the permissible use of force by a person acting under the authority of RCW 9A.16.020 or 9A.16.050; or(b) Preventing a law enforcement agency from adopting standards pertaining to its use of deadly force that are more restrictive than this section.Credits[1986 c 209 ? 2; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 ? 9A.16.040.]

    Wash. Rev. Code Ann. ? 9A.16.040 (West)

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