Hate Speech

Schools Banning Phone App Yik Yak for Promoting Hate Speech

That this is largely a symbolic gesture hasn't stopped students from advocating for the bans.

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The latest frontier in coddling college students: banning the smartphone app/social network Yik Yak. 

With Yik Yak—which was just awarded the 2015 TechCrunch award for fastest rising startup—users post short, anonymous statements that are culled into a feed for a particular geographic area. Tyler Droll, Yik Yak's co-founder, described it as "a local, anonymous Twitter or a local virtual bulletin board." It's become very popular on U.S. college campuses.

Because posts are anonymous, Yik Yak is frequently home to off-color commentary. A function allowing users to up- or down-vote comments can mitigate this, but sometimes nasty comments can also be popular. And regardless of up- or downvoting, they still exist. This distresses some students so much that not only are they boycotting the app themselves, they're trying to get their schools to ban it entirely.

Administrators at the University of North Carolina (UNC) at Chapel Hill are now considering a Yik Yak ban, at the request of some students. "People have been saying some very racist, very hurtful things," Ashley Winkfield, a UNC senior, told WRAL.com. 

During the height of the "Black Lives Matter" protests on campus last fall, for example, one person posted, "I really hate blacks, I'm going home where there aren't any." Another poster said, "the way blacks are acting right now kind of justify a slavery."

Winkfield said the anonymous posts scare her and are making her increasingly distrustful. "These are people we are going to class with, people who we see every day, and they might have some type of ill will toward us," she said.

I find it hard to believe that before seeing these sentiments expressed on Yik-Yak, Winkfield had no idea that any fellow students might be racists and assholes. But whatever. What's more mind-boggling is how she thinks banning Yik-Yak would help here. Does she suppose that someone who hates blacks will suddenly stop hating blacks if they can't 'yak' about it? Does she think no one on campus could harbor racial animosity without this smartphone app?

And is she aware of the existence of the rest of the Internet? Because there are no shortage of venues for people to rant and vent anonymously. If the university wants to stop student exposure to hurtful speech and ideas, they're going to have to ban a lot more than just Yik Yak. 

Still, Winston Crisp, UNC-Chapel Hill's vice chancellor of student affairs, told WRAL that officials are currently considering options for dealing with Yik-Yak. "I think it adds little to no value to our community and creates more problems for our students than it will ever be worth," Crisp said in a statement.

How could colleges possibly stop students from downloading or using a particular app? They can't. But they can make the app slightly harder to use on-campus by blocking it from school wireless networks. That this is largely a symbolic guesture hasn't stopped several schools, including New York's Utica College and Vermont's Norwich University, from doing so. Other schools are considering it, prompted by student complaints

At least there are some sane college administrators left: Larry Moneta, Duke University's vice president of student affairs, told WRAL that Duke has no plans to limit Yik-Yak and students who don't like the app should simply not use it. "What we tell students is freedom of expression, even offensive freedom expression, is what we cherish," said Moneta. "Our position has always been every student has the right to avoid it simply stop looking at it, and in time, it will fade into oblivion as every predecessor has done." 

Other schools, such as Colgate University, are using Yik Yak to fight speech with more speech, as the adage goes. After complaints from students about racist Yik Yak messages, professors launched a "Yak Back" in December, filling the feed with messages of anti-bigotry and general positivity. 

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  1. You know, we really need to find our cojones. Did they roll under the sofa?

    If you can’t handle non-defamatory abuse, there’s something as wrong with you as there is with the assholes who say vicious things. Not to mention, a lot of that over-the-top stuff is just a form of dark humor. People need to get off the fainting couch and stop worrying so much whether someone’s feelings might be hurt.

    1. I would re-post this on Facebook, but I don’t want to get banned.

    2. That’s just the sort of thing a racist sexist homophobe oppressor would say!! Don’t you realize that by changing (and suppressing) speech, we can change society??

  2. Larry Moneta, Duke University’s vice president of student affairs, told WRAL that Duke has no plans to limit Yik-Yak and students who don’t like the app should simply not use it.

    OUTRAGEOUS! Social justice and inclusion mean we must eliminate all forms of stimuli that might make a POC, LGBTQIA, or otherwise underprivileged person feel even the slightest bit uncomfortable.

    1. They’ll be happier when they realize the horrific things they can say there about white, libertarian males.

      1. “Our position has always been every student has the right to avoid it simply stop looking at it, and in time, it will fade into oblivion as every predecessor has done.”

        Unfortunately, that “it” could refer to free speech in general on campus.

        1. ROBIN: My liege! It’s good to see you!

          KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh!

          HEAD KNIGHT: He said the word!

          ARTHUR: Surely you’ve not given up your quest for the Holy Grail?

          MINSTREL (singing): He is sneaking away and buggering up–

          ROBIN: Shut up! No, no no– far from it.

          HEAD KNIGHT: He said the word again!

          ROBIN: I was looking for it.

          KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh!

          ROBIN: Uh, here, here in this forest. ARTHUR: No, it is far from–

          KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh!

          HEAD KNIGHT: Aaaaugh! Stop saying the word!

          ARTHUR: Oh, stop it!

          KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh!

          HEAD KNIGHT: Oh! He said it again!

          ARTHUR: Patsy!

          HEAD KNIGHT: Aaugh! I said it! I said it! Ooh! I said it again!

          KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh!

          1. One of these days I should probably get around to seeing that movie, if only to finally “get” the myriad lengthy references to it one finds on the world pipe.

            I am the liquor.

            1. Dear lord man, don’t wait.

              Its best, I think, if the first viewing is somewhat drunk or stoned.

            2. If it helps, and I am not making this up, Elvis Presley was a huge Python fan and loved this movie.

              After Holy Grail, you should watch Life of Brian.

    1. I say we take off and nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

    2. BAN FIST. He’s offensive. And a fatty.

      1. YOU KNOW THAT’S NOT TRUE. Let me explain to you the science of the BMI…

        1. Yeah yeah, save it for the judges on the Biggest Loser

          1. The scales are the judges.

  3. Winkfield said the anonymous posts scare her and are making her increasingly distrustful. “These are people we are going to class with, people who we see every day, and they might have some type of ill will toward us,” she said.

    So is her logic that if they ban the app, those people will…stop existing?

    1. Typical statist attitude, that passing a law is what counts, because then no one need look at the problem again. Intentions and all that.

  4. What’s more mind-boggling is how she thinks banning Yik-Yak would help here.

    She doesn’t. It’s pure social signaling. “Look at me, I’m so SJW that I want to ban an app because people said some nasty stuff on it!”

    People like her don’t cause a fuss because they want to change anything. They cause a fuss so that everyone else sees them doing it. They don’t want things like this to go away. Then what would they cause a fuss about?

    1. Hey, the ban on ropes stopped lynchings. I learnt that in hystery class.

    2. Um, black forest bacon? Certainly something to fuss about.

      1. Hahaha, nobody picks black forest bacon when the clearly superior applewood smoked bacon is right there.

        1. I’m sensing a lot of insecurity about your guys’ bacon choices. I’ve planted the seed of doubt!

          1. I HAD SOME APPLEWOOD ON MY BURGER TODAY AND IT WAS DELICIOUS. No insecurities there.

            1. Oh yeah? Well, I had a burger from The Swinery for lunch with blue cheese and–instead of bacon–pork belly.

              It wasn’t quite super rare enough, but it was still delicious.

              1. I would kill for some of those swine fries. KILL I SAY.

                1. I got the Danger fries. Swine fries plus bacon-blue cheese sauce.

          2. Whatever you have to tell yourself while biting into inferior bacon, Epi.

            I had a BLTA last night and the only thing wrong with it was the shitty low-chlorophyll tomatoes.

            1. You applewood bacon lovers are all the same, you Normals! Fuck your tyranny of the majority! And you’re stupid, so there!

              1. Normals!?

                If it weren’t a bitch of a drive I’d only eat mahogany smoked bacon from Mahogany Smoked Meats in Bishop, CA.

                If I’m standing in Trader Joe’s and my options are applewood and black forest. I’m going to choose the better product.

                1. Whatever you need to tell yourself, Normal.

            2. I had a BLTA last night

              Fucking A.

              *shakes head*

              1. Fucking A.

                *Narrows gaze*

              2. What, don’t want to get any messy avocado on your lady hands?

          3. Quail egg yakitori wrapped with pork belly for lunch.

            YOU ALL LOSE

            1. “Quail egg yakitori wrapped with pork belly for lunch.

              YOU ALL LOSE”

              Stale flour tortillas dipped in store-bought hummus and harissa mixture, with a quart of vodka and a six-pack of Sex Panther.

              I WIN.

              1. Well, your statement is pretty much bulletproof. I wave the white flag

    3. Maybe, maybe not. We’ve bred a lot of special snowflakes in the last two generations who are not able to come face to face (or even face to screen) with this sort of ugliness without significant emotional distress.

      I think about the difference between a lot of kids these days and my best friend growing up. He’s black and grew up in almost totally white, fairly affluent town. He had to deal with significant racism from both his peers and the local police force, but became largely immune to it as a result. His response to that shit became a healthy “fuck you” and he moved on with whatever he was doing. I actually tended to get angrier about it than he did, at least outwardly.

      People who live in censorship bubbles are far more likely to fall apart because they’ve never had to develop the coping mechanisms they need to get themselves through such situations.

      Racism is ugly no matter where it comes from and exists in all demographics, trying to pretend it doesn’t rather than learning how to deal with it is unhealthy, but more and more becoming the norm.

      1. We’ve bred a lot of special snowflakes in the last two generations who are not able to come face to face (or even face to screen) with this sort of ugliness without significant emotional distress.

        I have serious doubts that this emotional distress is at all real. Remember that the “new hotness” is to be a victim. It’s super easy to get victim cred by complaining that something “emotionally distressed” you.

        Remember that the scumbags who do this shit are venal near-sociopaths. Don’t ever think anything they say is the truth. Look at their actions instead. Considering how much they supposedly hate seeing certain things, it’s amazing how often they seem to find them, isn’t it? Almost as if they’re actively looking for things to cause a fuss about.

        1. I don’t doubt that it real for some, and a pose or attempt to gain status in others, or even more commonly, a mixture of both in places such as college campuses where the SJWs rule the roost.

          First and last to me though is that censorship is the beginning of tyranny, and a tyranny that way too many people are embracing because they can’t conceive of it being turned against themselves. Making freedom of speech and thought subject to the will of the mob never ends well.

          1. Again, I think that you’re mistaking this for a larger phenomenon than it is because the perpetrators of it are so disproportionately loud. They get results because they learned to scream the loudest and make life as difficult as possible for people like school administrators who don’t ever want to deal with any kind of headache, ever.

            Personally, I assume anyone who says that seeing some words on a page traumatized them is a flat out liar and straight up attention seeker. Because…words are wind. They literally cannot hurt you. This is just victim cred seeking for those who have no other way to do it.

            1. Because…words are wind. They literally cannot hurt you. This is just victim cred seeking for those who have no other way to do it.

              You know that, and I know that, but there is a growing belief that hurtful or hateful words are “violence”. I’d love for reason to poll millennials to see what percentage believe that “hate speech should be a crime” I think that the numbers would be depressing. The SJWs are certainly behind that push, but because it’s easier than ever to live inside a like-thinking bubble than ever before there are a growing number of people who are unable to cope with ideas that conflict with their world-view or are hurtful.

              1. You can just look to all the Charlie Hebdo reactions to see hordes and hordes of people claiming just that: that “hate speech” isn’t free speech and should be banned. Often right after pointless Twitter hashtag posturing supposedly in support of free speech.

        2. I have serious doubts that this emotional distress is at all real. Remember that the “new hotness” is to be a victim. It’s super easy to get victim cred by complaining that something “emotionally distressed” you.

          Reminds me of some recent behavior by my nephews. 5-year-old one has learned that he can hit or otherwise physically annoy the 14-year-old, and if the 14-year-old stops him by, say, grabbing his hand, the 5-year-old can cry, and the 14-year-old will get screamed at for “hitting his little brother.”

          One would hope that university students would have outgrown that sort of thing, but apparently not.

    4. It couldn’t be because they’re paying money to go there and want a certain environment? Yeah, I guess it’s better to assume those who disagree with us are twisted, mentally crippled goofballs. Even if it’s not true, it really makes us feel good!

      1. I want to live in a certain environment too. I want free money, hookers and blow. Oh, and a pony. I vote that Bo provides it for us. Who’s with me?

        So, let’s be clear. You are in favor of the tyranny of the majority?

      2. It couldn’t be because they’re paying money to go there and want a certain environment?

        Perhaps this is why universities have become so intellectually inbred.

    5. Then what would they cause a fuss about?

      They’ll find something. Trust me. Peak fussing is a myth.

  5. . . . they’re trying to get their schools to ban it entirely.

    So, you’re going to pay my phone bill? What? No you’re not? Then fuck you, you don’t get to tell me what I run on my hardware.

    At least the government pays lip services to the ‘I pay for it, I control it’ rule.

    1. I think government is more into the Muad’dib ‘the power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it’ corollary.

    2. By ‘ban’ I’m sure they mean ‘we will stop doing business with you.’

      1. If that’s all the mean then there’s no reason to appeal to the school administration at all.

  6. “These are people we are going to class with, people who we see every day, and they might have some type of ill will toward us,”

    If you are advocating censorship then you can count on some ill will from me no matter how contemptible the speech you are trying to suppress is.

  7. I made a Yik Yak just to see how quickly I could get banned. Took me a full week.

  8. The problem is that colleges today are not places where one goes to just sit in a classroom or lab and learn from an instructor. They are billed as, and essentially are for a large number of people, little ‘camps’ ‘communities’ and workplaces. Most students live on campus or in campus housing, the colleges themselves have become little self contained worlds with their own eateries, gyms, health centers, etc. A ton of students do workstudy on campus. And so you’re seeing them adopt standards and expectations similar to most intentional communities, camps or workplaces. Very few workplaces would let you use racist or offensive language for long (at least not as policy).

    It seems to me the issue, as it often is, is really that the government is involved in this at all. If the government ran no colleges then each private college could state their expectations and people could shop for the community /camp/workplace that they could live with. Hopefully at least some of them would be ones where people are not so touchy about speech.

    1. . Most students live on campus or in campus housing

      Not in any college I’ve ever been to.

      1. Apart from that line, I think Bo makes a legit point. Of course, I may cringe at the clarification.

      2. I’m sure it varies from school to school and class to class (freshmen are more likely to live on campus), but I’d be happy to modify that to ‘many’.

    2. Very few workplaces would let you use racist or offensive language for long (at least not as policy).

      I don’t think workplaces troll around anonymous social media apps like Yik Yak looking for racist or offensive language.

      1. I’m reporting you to management for this.

      2. Really? You’ve never heard to watch what you post on facebook and such for employment reasons?

        1. Facebook is anonymous? I was unaware.

          1. That’s a fair point, but I don’t think it carries the day.

            Suppose people at a workplace were anonymously writing offensive grafitti in the work bathroom, and let’s say the management has no issue with the defacing of their property. I bet they are still going to try to put a stop to it.

            1. Suppose people at a workplace were anonymously writing offensive grafitti in the work bathroom, and let’s say the management has no issue with the defacing of their property. I bet they are still going to try to put a stop to it.

              They couldn’t if they were legally obligated under our Constitution to provide a free speech wall where people can write anything they want.

              In this case, the school does not own the internet nor do they own the phones being used to post the messages. And as a state-run institution they have to abide by the First Amendment.

              There is ZERO legal or moral justification for banning the app.

              1. “And as a state-run institution they have to abide by the First Amendment.”

                That’s exactly it. The state is trying to do something which their private counterparts tend to do in ways that the state is not allowed to do. See, most private colleges that are not bound by the 1st have these kind of speech codes, so it’s obviously something their clientele wants and expects at some level. State colleges are dealing with a similar market. They’re caught between a rock and a hard place.

                The real answer is, they shouldn’t be in that business.

                But notice, even a limited government is going to have this problem. In libertopia we’re going to have limited agencies and government workplaces, but let me ask you, in the ones we have, are we going to allow people to say whatever they want even if it infuriates their co-workers or the citizens they are there to serve?

                1. See, most private colleges that are not bound by the 1st have these kind of speech codes, so it’s obviously something their clientele wants and expects at some level. State colleges are dealing with a similar market. They’re caught between a rock and a hard place.

                  The real answer is, they shouldn’t be in that business.

                  This is the most confused argument for private education I’ve ever seen.

                  What their “clientele” wants is irrelevant to the rights of every student there.

                  Are you suggesting we’d be better off as a society if every college was private and could be bullied into cracking down on free speech by SJW groups?

                  1. Yes, as a libertarian I’m surely suggesting, no stating, that we’d be better off if every college was private.

                2. In libertopia we’re going to have limited agencies and government workplaces, but let me ask you, in the ones we have, are we going to allow people to say whatever they want even if it infuriates their co-workers or the citizens they are there to serve?

                  Yes. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

            2. How is Yik Yak the property of any university? It’s an independent anonymous social media app, and not at all akin to scrawling graffiti on the bathroom of your workplace.

              1. Er, what Grand Moff said

              2. OK, let’s change it. You set up your own blog about your workplace, and in it you make comments offensive to your co-workers. You don’t think your boss might tell you to stop it or stop working there? Good luck with that.

                1. I mean, try it. Set up your own personal blog on your own personal time, and say whatever offensive thing comes to mind on it. If your co-workers or customers come across it (not unlikely, is it?) and they find it offensive, I’m betting your boss might tell you to knock it off.

                  1. “The real answer is, they shouldn’t be in that business”

                    You find the correct answer and then veer off into weird analogies. Could you legitmately be fired for saying racist stuff? Yes. Should anonymous platforms be banned bc it enables free speech? No. I don’t get your point.

                    1. No, I’m saying, if an organization you associate with wants to dissociate with you if they catch you using an anonymous platform they should be able to.

                    2. The problem for the government is, they’re trying to run something like and competing with these organizations, and they’re being asked to tie their hands, so to speak, in ways the private competitors aren’t doing. The answer is really they should get out of that business.

                    3. What do you mean by “they catch you using an anonymous platform”? In you’re private life? Also, how would they catch you?

                    4. How do the colleges in question catch them?

                    5. Answering questions with questions. Ugh. Go on.

                    6. I’m not trying to be evasive. I don’t know how the colleges plan to act against this sort of thing, but whatever process they have for it I would think private organizations could or might replicate.

                  2. Set up your own personal blog on your own personal time, and say whatever offensive thing comes to mind …

                    It’s my undersranding that Yik-Yak is an anonymous site.

                    So your analogy fails again. An appropriate one would be your employer trolling the anonymous comments on the internet, like yours here, and then trying to connect those to a real world person and dishing out retribution.

                    That is and should be beyond the scope of action for an employer.

              3. How is Yik Yak the property of any university? It’s an independent anonymous social media app

                Yup. They would also then need to ban phones with texting capabilities. Other wise people can hide their number and text racist shit anonymously.

                The thing is, Facebook and Twitter are popular and they won’t be able to get their ban boner off chasing those social media apps off campus, so they’re going for the up and coming one. They NEED to ban something. For any reason, doesn’t matter. They just have to ban shit.

      3. That’s what the NSA is for.

    3. And so you’re seeing them adopt standards and expectations similar to most intentional communities, camps or workplaces. Very few workplaces would let you use racist or offensive language for long (at least not as policy).

      Bullshit. At most they could ban students from accessing certain websites using school computers or the school’s WiFi system.

      They have no right to ban students from anomalously posting content from their personal phones.

      1. Rather, that should be anonymously posting content

      2. They’re basically saying ‘if you’re a member of this community, don’t do this. If you do, we are not longer going to have you as a member.’ Of course they can’t ‘ban’ you from doing this if you are willing for them to dissassociate from you.

        1. No, Bo, they’re saying “we have zero legal leg to stand on but we’re going to symbolically ban this to placate the whiny SJW clubs on campus”.

          It’s utterly unenforceable so they can get away with this symbolic bullshit. But if they ever attempted to kick someone out of school for it they’d get sued and they’d lose.

          We aren’t talking about threats to specific people, we’re talking about off-color jokes and statements that “trigger” emotionally stunted cry-babies. It’s 100% protected speech.

          1. You say ‘no’, but what part of what I said is not correct? Are they saying they will do anything more than not associate with you if they catch you doing this?

    4. “The problem is that colleges today are not places where one goes to just sit in a classroom or lab and learn from an instructor. They are billed as, and essentially are for a large number of people, little ‘camps’ ‘communities’ and workplaces. “

      When was this ever not the case?

    5. Very few workplaces would let you use racist or offensive language for long (at least not as policy).

      Not by choice – if its not illegal then it’ll get your arse sued the fuck off.

  9. Another poster said, “the way blacks are acting right now kind of justify a slavery.”

    “That’s why they get dragged behind pickup trucks.”

  10. When I read the headline I assumed the “schools” being discussed were high schools and middle schools.

    Ugh.

  11. I might try this app out this weekend. I’m already trying to catch a game at my old college and it might be a fun way to spend between quarters.

  12. The District of Columbia approved a law by which employers can’t discriminate based on “reproductive health decision-making.”

    The made another law requiring colleges and universities to recognize gay students groups.

    So typical that whiny bleevers want Congress to block these common-sense attacks on theocracy. What’s next, reinstating the Inquisition?

    http://americamagazine.org/iss…..l-freedoms

    1. requiring *religious* colleges and universities…secular colleges and universities are already covered.

  13. “”These are people we are going to class with, people who we see every day, and they might have some type of ill will toward us,”

    Clearly the logical next step is to ban outlets of free expression and impose the threat of punishment over anyone who might unknowingly say something that ‘scares’ others.

    1. That’ll make the ill will go away!

  14. And, incredibly, people continue to fall for Bo’s act.

    1. Yes, I’m regretting it.

    2. You’d think they’d learn after the 873rd time.

      1. C’mon, you gotta admit it’s mesmerizing. To miss the forest for the flake of leaf being carried by an ant.

      2. I’VE ALREADY FLAGELLATED MYSELF. It’s gonna hurt my gainz.

      3. “Honey, I’d like you to meet Bo Cara, he’s got some pedantic arguments for you. Oh and here’s a gun so you can blow your brains out. You’ll thank me for it.” I could tolerate any insurance seminar. For days I could sit there and listen to them go on and on with a big smile on my face. They’d say, “How can you stand it?” I’d say, “‘Cause I’ve argued with Bo Cara. I can take ANYTHING.”

        1. I can’t stand people who disagree with me, on this thread, is ironic to Superman or Shazam levels.

    3. Is Warty really, really a young girl upset that someone talks to someone he doesn’t like?

      1. Take a look at what Warty finds preferable, the subthread with Episarch, Dances and Somalian, which is sort of like this.

        Epi: I think progs like to sit around and smell their own farts.

        Dances: I don’t know, most want to smell their own farts but maybe one or two don’t.

        Somalian: No, Epi’s right, they really want to smell their own farts. They just love it.

        Anybody who breaks up this make-out is clearly a troll, sock puppet, putting on an act.

        1. Who farted?

          1. Whoever smelt it….something

        2. concern trollin’ trollin’ trollin’
          keep them dawgies rollin’
          man my ass is swollen
          rawhiiiiiiiiide

          1. You have no idea what concern trolling is. You’ve heard it used as a criticism on the internet, and now think that when you hear something you don’t like now you should toss it out.

            Here’s a clue: people will, sometimes, disagree with you, even when you think you’re contributing to a ‘safe area’ two minute hate. When they do, they are not ‘concern trolling.’

        3. See! This is how you toughen them up.

          *wipes small tear from eye* Think, in just a few months Bo has gone from wide-eyed innocence to being filled with bile and spite, just like the rest of us.

          They grow up so fast.

          1. If only Bo would grow a brain cell!

        4. Well, Bo, do you like to smell your own farts or not?

  15. Fuck you with a choke pear Ashley Winkfield.

    Zat offensive for ya?

    1. Damn, I have tears rolling down my face from laughing at the several dozen posts up to this one. Thanks everyone, just what I needed at the end of a long week.

      You guys are hilarious.

  16. I fear that this generation of college students will do more to destroy civil liberties than any past generation. Freedom is just too goddamned much for them to handle; they MUST be ruled.

  17. Yik Yak isn’t anonymous.

    A poster threatened my local high school last month, and the police tracked her down in a matter of minutes.

  18. This is hilarious. It’s an anonymous app that anyone can download onto their phone. It’s therefore impossible for a college to ban this unless they plan on periodically checking peoples’ phones to make sure they haven’t downloaded it.

    I also love this:

    At least there are some sane college administrators left: Larry Moneta, Duke University’s vice president of student affairs, told WRAL that Duke has no plans to limit Yik-Yak and students who don’t like the app should simply not use it. “What we tell students is freedom of expression, even offensive freedom expression, is what we cherish,” said Moneta. “Our position has always been every student has the right to avoid it simply stop looking at it, and in time, it will fade into oblivion as every predecessor has done.”

    At Duke University, we value our students’ rights, unless they’re accused of rape by a shady stripper who levies the accusation after getting picked up by the cops for fighting and drug use.

    In that case, fuck your rights.

    1. So you’re criticizing Duke because they stood up for speech here?

      1. No, he’s criticizing Duke for not having consistent commitment to civil rights. It was pretty clear.

        1. That was EIGHT years ago. Certainly, when an organization does something wrong we should bring that up eight years later when they do something right.

            1. Here’s what’s sad. Someone is so upset about the anomaly in the matrix they decided to change their handle and do this.
              Pathetic.

                1. Sadder.

              1. Here’s what’s sad. Someone is so upset about the anomaly in the matrix they decided to change their handle and do this.
                Pathetic.

                It’s actually sadder that you took more time to write this response than it took them to change their handle, but you still feel the need to behave as if you’re morally and intellectually superior to everyone else.

                ‘You’re so pathetic for changing your handle to mock me, but it’s in no way pathetic that I take more time to respond to your mockery! BO HAS SPOKEN!’

                1. Yes, me ignoring the lengths would have been nobler. Lol.

          1. That was EIGHT years ago. Certainly, when an organization does something wrong we should bring that up eight years later when they do something right.

            When your entire campus turns into a lynch mob that prejudges innocent people as being guilty based on nothing more than base political considerations, you don’t get to preen about how:

            What we tell students is freedom of expression, even offensive freedom expression, is what we cherish

            Here’s the problem, Bo. Even a college like Duke, which is the best of the lot in this case, is vehemently anti-free speech and is infested with all the sorts of pathologies that have destroyed student rights nationwide. In this particular case, they’re puffing out their chests and trying to declare themselves Free Speech Crusaders for doing the absolute bare minimum. You know full well, and I know full well, that Duke would jettison any supposed appreciation of freedom of expression in an instant if it were politically expedient.

            They’ve shown that they’ll do that in the past. That was my point, but you just feel the need to start bizarre, unnecessary arguments all the time.

            1. Is it not politically expedient now?

      2. Goddammit Bo. It’s like you’re a parody of yourself.

        1. Like?

          It’s not a coincidence that he get so hilariously hurt every time I tell people that they don’t have to play his game. He’s here as a troll, pure and simple. His entire purpose here is to get a rise out of people by any means necessary. And yet people continue to dance for him.

          1. Way to knock Dances-with-Trolls’ raison d’?tre, dude.

            1. There’s still time for him to change up his style. He could become Posts-Lots-of-Porn, for instance.

      3. I read his comment twice and saw no criticism of Duke for respecting free speech; his criticism was of the lacrosse scandal.

        Why must you incessantly antagonize people?

        1. Bo exists on HnR to engage in moral preening to boost his ego. It’s nearly the sum total of all he does here. He will find or invent something that he can use to cast himself as on the side of righteousness and then never lets go. I image that he has some serious insecurities and his behavior is an unhealthy method of coping with them.

          1. This is what we need, more psychologizing of anyone who disagrees with the group love fest.

              1. This actually sums it up.

            1. This is what we need, more psychologizing of anyone who disagrees with the group love fest.

              I think it’s hilarious that you think there’s a ‘group love fest’ when we fight with each other constantly. I get in arguments with people here all the time.

              The only time we’re all on the same side is when you’re pissing us off.

              1. You’re just using the word hilarious because you heard used somewhere on the net and think it makes you look cool.

                You’re argument proves my point.

                Oh look, something shiny.

                Am I missing any?

                1. So you’ve stopped any pretense of honest debate. I guess that’s points for honesty.

                  1. Getting bored= dropping pretense of honest debate. Ok. I could agree with you on something 99% and you would find a way to “totally redeem yourself”.

                    1. so you agree with me on the main point, but you’ve got to do this?

                    2. I’ve got 4 brothers. We throw elbows. If you want me to treat you like my sister, fine.

              2. And where is the disagreement here, Irish?

              3. The only time we’re all on the same side is when you’re pissing us off.

                + 1 Common Enemy

                Let’s vote:

                    1. I love how you don’t realize how you’re proving my point.

                    2. Lol, and I love how you just proved mine.

                    3. Francisco d’Anconia|2.6.15 @ 8:52PM|#
                      “Who doesn’t like Bo?”
                      Who bothers with Bo’s sophistry?

                    4. I guess you?

                    5. Bo Cara Esq.|2.6.15 @ 8:59PM|#
                      “I guess you?”

                      Gee, are you in training? It used to be ‘your momma’.
                      Fuck off.

              4. I get in arguments with people here all the time.

                If you could just admit you’re always wrong you wouldn’t be getting in so many arguments. :-p

          2. Dances-with-trolls exists on HnR to engage in sychophantism to boost his ego. It’s nearly the sum total of all he does here. He will find or invent something that he can use to cast himself as in agreement with what others here have rushed to agree to and then never lets go. I image that he has some serious insecurities and his behavior is an unhealthy method of coping with them.

              1. Baby’s really upset.

                  1. You all are just killing me. This is one of the most drop-dead hysterical threads ever.

                    My wife just asked if there’s something wrong, because I look like I’ve been crying, I’m laughing so hard.

                    1. Hey C, will you shrink Bo for free? And possibly medicate him?

                    2. There are some good meds for delusions, but personality disorders tend not to respond to pharmacology……..

                    3. I’ll settle for some sedatives, then.

            1. Dances-with-trolls exists on HnR to engage in sychophantism to boost his ego.

              That’s why Episiarch disagreed and argued a different perspective than him above he responded politely.

              The evidence on even this thread alone doesn’t support your analysis, but your behaviour in general supports Dance’s.

              1. “The evidence on even this thread alone doesn’t support your analysis, but your behaviour in general supports Dance’s.”

                Bo is absolutely *desperate* for confirmation that he’s the cleverest of the lot, but he’ll settle for attention in the form of criticism, presuming it’s simply grudging acceptance that only he is smart enough to see all the nuances in the issue at hand. And he will go to great lengths to construct all sorts of arguments hoping they’ll be taken as valid, if subtle, points, when, in fact, they’re trivial, self-contradictory and/or simply silly.
                IOWs, he’s an ego-maniacal, insufferable twit who is clever, but not real intelligent.

          3. I image that he has some serious insecurities and his behavior is an unhealthy method of coping with them.

            He’s an Aspy.

            1. Hang on, I’m sorting my spice rack by alphabetically, and then by color.

    2. They can block the domain name/IP on college-provided Internet, but there are of course ways around that, other than simply using carrier Internet instead.

    3. Relevant:

      gossip about Moneta

      Some selections:

      In a recent radio interview, Duke’s Larry Moneta criticized a website called juicycampus.com. Moneta pointed to the site’s anonymous rumor-mongering to describe it (correctly) as worthy of condemnation.

      Moneta’s outrage about the site prompted an understandable question from panelist Christopher Anderson, who wondered why Moneta hadn’t seemed concerned in spring 2006, when Duke professors and some students embarked on a rumor-mongering campaign against the lacrosse players. “I don’t see any correlation between the two incidents,” responded Moneta…

      By way of background, Moneta is the Vice President of Student Affairs at Duke, and in 2006 would have been the official with the most direct interest in protecting students from baseless libel and slander, anonymous or not. His responsibilities certainly would have extended to protecting students from libel and slander by their own professors, as well as from retaliatory grading, all of which was visited on Duke lacrosse players…

      1. cont:

        Could it be that one reason Moneta wasn’t too concerned with the rumor-mongering of Holloway, Farred, and Wood was that he shared their basic approach to the case? This was, after all, the same Larry Moneta who?when the case first broke?dismissed attorney Samantha Ekstrand’s request that the administration protect the lacrosse players against the local mob and against Duke professors intent on retaliation. Why no concern with the lacrosse players? As Moneta told Ekstrand, “Frankly, Samantha, I don’t believe them.

  19. So, how is this different from Twitter?

    1. Nobody ever sets up fake twitter accounts to say offensive things. Never. And my real name is straffinrun.

    2. It’s local.

    3. It’s local.

  20. “What’s more mind-boggling is how she thinks banning Yik-Yak would help here.”

    If she doesn’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

  21. By the way: never heard of this app before, installed it, and it doesn’t seem like there’s much in the way of hate speech in my particularly localized neck of the woods–it’s apparently in a 10-mile radius of where you’re using the app.

    Mostly people talking about getting laid, smoking weed, getting laid while smoking weed, more drugchat, that cute guy/girl at the gym, their weight and why they should be going to the gym, fuck my job, and food.

    1. These are the people desperately clamouring for Net Neutrality.

    2. “Mostly people talking about getting laid, smoking weed, getting laid while smoking weed, more drugchat, that cute guy/girl at the gym, their weight and why they should be going to the gym, fuck my job, and food.”

      So, pretty much the stuff that makes certain bars unpopular…

  22. “The University of California?Berkeley is hosting a lecture about how it is “necessary” to apply gay and transgender studies to agriculture because agriculture is all about reproduction and our food systems will suffer if we don’t.

    “”So why queer agriculture? This seems like an odd question . . .” says the description, prompting an “uh, yeah” in my head, before continuing with “. . .but it becomes more obvious with research and analysis.””

    and more!

    http://www.nationalreview.com/…..-katherine

    1. Hmm, so they are saying we should be able to identify and single out the gay/transgendered cows, because they are fucking with cattle breeding efficiency?

      1. Transgendered cows? You mean trans bulls, you bigot!

  23. “Skull yanked from auction is not that of Civil War soldier, Gettysburg park officials say

    “A skull that was purportedly that of a Civil War soldier found at Gettysburg that was briefly advertised for auction last year is actually the skull of a Native American who likely lived about 700 years ago.

    “The skull was withdrawn from the auction last June after protests from various groups, including the National Park Service in Gettysburg. The skull was offered as a donation Gettysburg National Military Park (GETT) and the Gettysburg Foundation accept the donation on the park’s behalf.”

    http://www.pennlive.com/midsta…..pulle.html

    1. You know who else had their skull yanked?

      1. Opponents of Sub-Zero in MK2?

        1. +1 FATALITY

    2. That makes the skull MORE valuable not less.

    3. That’s actually a really fucking interesting story. I wonder how the skull got from the South West to Pennsylvania….

  24. “Jerry Rice admits using ‘stickum’ on gloves after accusing Patriots of cheating”
    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/…..-cheating/

    This is no surprise to those who used to watch Steve Young use both hands, braced by a foot in Jerry’s gut, to get the ball back.

    1. And yet he still fumbled in the ’98 Wild Card game against the Packers.

    2. How much did you win betting on those games?

      1. Y’know, that football ain’t round. So I’ve learned not to bet on any football bounces.
        As a result, I only watched, but that guy Ted has a hell of a memory!

  25. “I really hate blacks, I’m going home where there aren’t any.”

    PoC on PoC hate speech! Oh, right, Asians aren’t PoC when it’s not convenient.

    1. Trollin’ trollin’ trollin’ get those snowflakes groanin’

  26. So what happens if this app ‘triggers’ someone. Who’s going to be liable?

    I think it’s time for mandatory trigger insurance. We need a grand piece of mega-legislation that is passed by shady rules in the middle of the night, so that we can see what’s in it, and create a new multi-trillion dollar regulatory bureaucracy.

    1. “We need a grand piece of mega-legislation that is passed by shady rules in the middle of the night, so that we can see what’s in it, and create a new multi-trillion dollar regulatory bureaucracy.”

      Gee, what luck! We have a couple of people still in office who are more than willing to accomplish this!

      1. Ok, never mind passing something, King Barak is willing to go it on his own.

        1. Ok, never mind passing something, King Barak is willing to go it on his own.I

          Does it lead to more immigration? That is the deal-breaker.

  27. So can we get an article on Greece? They rebelled against the corrupt Two-Party System and voted in Syriza. There is absolutely no way that if Americans were to reject the Democrats and Republicans they would choose a Syriza-type party, no way.

    1. I been posting links, figuring it’d get some traction in the A-P/M links, but no go.
      It looks to me that the Greek FM really thinks he’s got a hand full of trumps, and Germany might finally get tired of that act.

      1. Oh, yes. The Greeks bearing gifts ain’t as dumb as the Greeks bearing straw-brooms and mops:
        “Greeks swiftly move capital to Germany as crisis looms”
        […]
        “According to fresh data out on Friday, capital inflows from eurozone countries to Germany jumped by the most since the height of the financial crisis in January, signaling a substantial capital flight out of Greece and into its northern adversary, economists said.”
        http://www.marketwatch.com/sto…..2015-02-06

        1. “adversary” is an interesting choice of word.

          1. From the recent articles, it seems well-chosen.
            The Greek FM is a former lefty Prof of econ in London, and he seems to think that an offense is the best defense.
            IOWs, as a lefty, he’s hoping his ‘intentions’ are sufficient to carry the day.
            He (and the Greeks in general) may have found the limits of un-reality.

            1. I wonder if this is end game for the EU as currently constructed or if Draghi and the boys will find another temporary fix. From some of the financial stuff I read, there seem to equal bets on Greece leaving the EU vs. Germany leaving, although most people still seem to think it will survive in some form.

              I also seem to recall that the Greek FM is perceived to be more reasonable that the leader of Syriza.

              1. It sorta looks like the market is betting against any sort of bail-out:
                http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GGGB10YR:IND

  28. Oh, hey, I found the “hate speech”, just had to set my location to be closer to ASU.

    Somebody mentions about how he was nervous about coming to ASU as somebody who’s gay because of the “conservative reputation” but found that people are “pretty awesome at accepting gay students”.

    This triggered people who insist that racism and bigotry are everywhere, at all times, and the Studies in American Literature/Culture: U.S. Race Theory & the Problem of Whiteness class gets brought up.

    lol ASU pt. 1 and pt. 2, we can’t have people saying they don’t experience discrimination all of the time, it contradicts the narrative.

    Incidentally, I participated in LGBT rights groups myself while I was at ASU, and I highly doubt it’s gotten worse in that regard since I left.

    1. whoops, pt. 2, you can look this up yourself in the app if you set it to peek at Tempe

  29. Sounds impossible to enforce, and I’m curious as to what the punishment would be if one were ‘caught’.

    1. John,
      Does a ‘self-criticism’ session ring any bells with you?

      1. He’s juche asking, y’know.

  30. If the university wants to stop student exposure to hurtful speech and ideas, they’re going to have to ban a lot more than just Yik Yak.

    Exactly. Ban students.

  31. Somebody needs to change poor Ashley’s diaper, warm up her bottle, and get her ready for her nappie.

  32. MY GOD THIS IS THE SADDEST THING I’VE EVER SEEN ON THE INTERNET.

    1. You lead a protected life, Playa.

      1. It was in regards to the Bo saga. The persona is unwinding, and not in a gracious way.

        1. He’s finally beginning to understand how loathed he is and he’s lashing out.

          1. On a related note, I’m now with the growing consensus that Tony is being handled by someone new. He’s always been deranged, but for at least the last few days he’s been deranged in a different way.

            1. You are very perceptive, young one. I shall take you under my wing.

            2. I suspect that whomever is “Tony” cashes a small paycheck from Reason.

              Or it is a workplace duty so reviled that the boss has to rotate the job.

              Then again, it might be considered such a jucy plum that playing “Tony” is handed out as a monthly reward. Kiond of like “employee of the month” plaques at some fast food joints.

  33. Reminds me of China’s new “real name” policy on comment boards. We can’t have anonymous commenting because that might prevent us from punishing people who say things that we don’t want to be said.

    The SJW crowd has got to HATE anonymous commenting. How the fuck are they supposed to harass and dox people if they are anonymous?

  34. Ah – always good to see I missed the releasing of the Botard.

    Botard = the new Mary. Only even less entertaining.

    I haz a sad 🙁

    1. Now that you mention it, it is less entertaining.

      Bo only has 2 moves:
      Shake and bake.

  35. OH! And since I missed MOURNING LYNX –

    whatever cartoon was posted was awful, and I didn’t get it, and I hope you all die a horrible death, and Happy Friday, Reasonoids!

    *SLAP!*

    My work here is done. FUCK! It’s Saturday already! Off tae bed…

  36. Are they going to ban twiiter, facebook and blogging too? Really, they need to ban pencils and paper, since those too can be mediums for hate speech.

    1. Its interesting that mos of the “hate” speech I see on social media is coming from the left.

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  38. People are always going to troll when they can do so anonymous.

    Instead of trying to ban something that can’t be stopped the school should push an alternative local chat app like LocalLedge which offers far more options for students to organize.

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