Shake Shack vs. McDonald's: Why It's Great News that Better Burgers are Winning the Fast-Food Wars

Hamburger fans, rejoice: Better burgers are winning the fast-food wars.
On Wednesday, McDonald's—the biggest and most successful brand in fast food—announced that its current CEO, Don Thompson, would be stepping down. The departure comes on the heels of a lackluster earnings report and a steep drop in overall sales as competition from new entrants has increased.
This morning, shares of Shake Shack, a rapidly growing burger chain that grew out of a hot dog stand in Manhattan, shot up in price during the company's first day of public trading. The restaurant chain has just 63 locations, but it's now worth an estimated $1.6 billion.
The problems facing McDonald's are obvious: Because it is so well known and so dominant, it has a hard time changing in response to market demand. Its success gives it access to tremendous resources, but its all-things-to-everyone approach, and the inevitable bloat that tends to accrue at any successful legacy business, leaves it vulnerable to new players that can do fewer things better—like, for example, Shake Shack.
Shake Shack is one of the flagship brands in the rapidly growing "fast casual" sector, which competes in the space somewhere between fast food restaurants like McDonald's and sit-down chains like TGI Fridays.
Shake Shack is obviously not as big as McDonald's, but it's far more nimble, and it can focus on quality in a way that McDonald's simply can't. As The New York Times says, the company conceives of itself as a sort of "anti-McDonald's," with better ingredients, better cooking methods, and better customer service. Yes, it offers fewer items and locations, and its prices are a little higher. But Shake Shack doesn't have to be all things to everyone; it has to be the best thing for the people who want it.
The competition between old-guard fast food giants and upstart fast-casual competitors offers a handy reminder of the ways that markets and creative destruction work to better serve the individual interests of consumers over time.
McDonald's was a great innovation in its day, and it has been amazingly successful over the years. I've certainly eaten plenty of McBurgers myself, but there's no real question that, overall, Shake Shack and other specialty burger shops now have the better, more appealing product. And the proliferation of a wide array of fast casual specialty restaurants—places like Sweet Green and Chipotle—means that there are now more options for those who want something other than burgers, fries, and shakes.
A market shakeup story like this is the kind of thing that's easy to overlook, or to dismiss as a simple business story to be ignored unless you're a fast food investor. But I like to think these sorts of events illustrate the ways that, little by little, over time, markets and competition improve and adapt, providing more choice and more quality in ways that continually make our lives more interesting and more enjoyable—or at the very least, a little tastier.
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Ask me what company made Chipotle a national chain.
What company made Chipotle a national chain?
McFUCKINGDonald's.
Sure, but McDonald's hasn't been an investor since 2006.
Yes, but no McDonald's, no Chipotle national chain.
This doesn't change the fact that McDonald's sucks ass.
I mean, this is sort of trying to say that Microsoft is awesome because it literally rescued Apple from the brink and made it what it is today.
That may be true, but MS still sucks.
That's not my point. I don't care much for McDonald's, either.
Would a different example placate you?
Only a sacrifice will placate me.
"McDonald's sucks ass."
By what standard? They pioneered a stunningly successful business model, made billions of bucks, employ legions, and changed the culture for the better. They make decent but not exactly gourmet food available to zillions.
I hate their food and I would only work in one if I were desperate, but I have a hard time saying bad things about them.
As a business, I think they're quite impressive. Ditto the opportunities they provide for low-end employment. Great business.
I just don't much like their food, except for the McMuffin. But I did like them fine as a kid. Along with other fastfood chains, like KFC, Arby's, Wendy's, BK, and Burger Chef. Kids love shitty food.
Everyone likes McDonalds as a kid.
Which is why they market to parents/kids. People get very confused sometimes about McDonald's market.
They suck ass because their food sucks ass.
APPLE WAS ABOUT TO WIN THE LAWSUIT THUS ENDANGERING MS!
Fuck people forget history so quickly. It was a settlement at the last minute cause Gates thought the jury would come back in favor of apple. He cut his losses and ran.
I was using it as an illustrative example of a white-knight investor saving a company that was failing. That it was to avoid a damaging judgement matters not.
I hate MS, though. Big time.
This doesn't change the fact that McDonald's sucks ass.
For adults, by and large? Yes. They've known for years that they suck for adults. And they've had, at best, mixed results in changing that.
But try taking a little kid to Chipotle.
My older three tax deductions will order a burrito or a taco kit. The youngest tax deduction will only eat the chips.
It's his favorite place, though.
"Can we eat at Pichotle?"
I always say yes, of course. Who am I to deny him his chips in this modern age?
Too easy.
Your question is: Why are Chipotle's shares trading over $700 right now?
They are insanely popular with kids. My kids act like they're eating something great there, like, I dunno, sushi. Or real Mexican food.
It's okay, but the service/wait is absurd and not at all worth it.
I will agree that Chipotle is basically hipster-signalling central with food that digests remarkably quickly for some reason.
I went to college right next to the original Chipotle right as it opened.
true story.
Is it too cool for you now?
You can order ahead and skip the line. #thatswhychipotleisthebest
Which is part of why it often sucks. They really do have a massive problem with their service from what I've seen.
The food is okay for fast food, but that's it. Kids are fucking weirdly obsessed these days.
I've been the victim of their prioritizing of call-ahead orders. They appear to queue them up and randomly drop everything to service that queue until it's done. They will literally tell you to wait, then process about 10 orders.
Annoying only begins to describe my feelings. We used to go there fairly often, but now we rarely go. And the kids will lose interest in a while, too, as some new shiny object grabs their attention.
price to earnings is 55.
market cap is $22B.
it's mexican food.
WTF
Though it says "Mexican Grill", it's actually a subgenre of Mexican food known as "Spanish Mission Burritos", which originated in San Francisco.
Which reminds me; I really like Steak'n'Shake's "Frisco Melt" burger.
Frisco Melt is a good one...for Steak'n'Shake.
5 Guys isn't too bad. They have a In-n-Out sized menu, and they do it well. A bit pricey, though.
I like Five Guys, but it's hard to find a place to live that has them.
Tupelo, MS had a "Five Guys" wannabe shop that wasn't too bad. I forget what it was called. Let me see....
Holy Cow! Tupelo has a Five Guys, now!
If you're visiting Tupelo, and are an Elvis Presley fan, you should try Johnnie's Drive-in. It's where he dined on occasion when he was a lad. They serve the "Johnny Burger", or you can get the "All-Meat Burger". I recommend All-Meat, unless you like Squish Burgers.
5 Guys is all over the place now.
And I don't see what the big deal is. Didn't think it was any better than any other fast food burger.
Can I just say that I find Chipotle awful?
It's awful.
Blasphemer!
I don't hate it, but I usually just get a vegetarian bowl, which is hard to fuck up. And no, I'm not a vegetarian.
I know. I would never accuse you of that. We've talked Peruvian food before.
I just had some at our local Peruvian restaurant last weekend. We got a ceviche sampler along with several appetizers--we usually just get the ceviche and entrees, but wanted to mix it up. All excellent.
Speaking of that, I need some TJ's chimichurri rice.
I have 5 bags in the freezer right now. I would have more, if I had space.
I've got two fridges, and it's time to make a commitment to some rice.
People who don't like Chipotle have stinky egg breath.
I would prefer stinky rotten eggs to that watery garbage.
Their "brown" rice is a complete joke.
I think it's really white rice with a wee bit of extra caramel coloring from the Coke canisters added in.
That sounds about right. Caramel color and shredded Chinese newspaper.
With green flecks of "cilantro" in it.
I would prefer stinky rotten eggs to that watery garbage.
That tells me more about you than about the food.
I seriously don't get the fawning, either. It's pretty "meh", overpriced, and not that great.
Eww! Would you like a tic-tac?
Behold, Sulphur-breath.
That's kind of like calling Samuel Adams Boston Lager a "meh" beer.
It's true, but there was a time when that was absolutely the best beer I could purchase.
And Chipotle is, in many places, the best fast-food Mexican you can purchase. At least give them some credit for moving us forward from Taco Bell (or, in Chicago, something like La Bamba, which always made me feel oogy).
It's not that great in absolute terms, but it's far better than the previous options.
That reminds me:
Taco Bell is way better than Chipotle
...if you need to get a case of diarrhea fast.
I was just thinking that Taco Bell obsession was a thing, once, too.
I don't get breakfast there, if that's what you're suggesting
You segundo.
Piss on auto-correct. It was so confused by "segundo" that it couldn't think of an alternative, but knew that "Yo" could be transformed.
This. TB is not that bad.
Tuberculosis?
Eh...when you get your order, and the meat squish that they stuff in the shell is pasted to the side of the shell as well...
...eh....
Everyone talks about how much they hate Taco Bell, but they still go there because it gets the job done for half the price of everyone else.
Which is as authentically Mexican as you can get.
But Boston Lager is "meh". The fact that the world has moved on to better things is nothing to be ashamed of, but it is a fact.
Chipotle is tasty, from time to time, but speaking of oogy, that stuff goes right through me. NOTHING ELSE EVER does for me, and I eat all manner of stuff that has that effect on people normally. It is the ONLY thing that consistently does that to me.
Stop ordering the extra sofritas.
I never do. It's like insta-poo. Tastes good sometimes, but man...
Chipotle has great iced tea.
I feel that it varies a lot from region to region.
El Pollo Loco? Objectively better
Baja Fresh? Way better
Q'Doba? Better
Chipotle = overpriced fake mexican sewage in a steam tray.
How is it fake? It's food isn't it?
Not really
Baja Fresh is the tits. Too bad they closed all their locations in NE Ohio.
I'm still bitter about that.
Do they still have Chipotle's in NE Ohio?
Yes. And high school kids make up about 75% of their customers after school hours.
They also are an unimpressive chain restaurant.
My local Baja Fresh lost its lease and closed. Now I have to go to the other side of LAX just to get a Baja Bowl. I usually leave with a couple dozen salsas.
I could probably live off Baja Fresh and Aladdin's. Sadly, we only have one of those.
I miss Baja Fresh from my SoCal days. In Texas, there's Freebirds, which is excellent.
I just ate chipotle about 90 minutes ago. 30 minutes ago I urgently needed to find a restroom and I left a miasma that would suffocate many small rodents. Coincidence?
That's what happens to me almost every time.
I would say no. Already explained by South Park
But what about Q-doba?
Its much bigger than Chipotle around me, and wasnt pushed by a big player like Chipotle was.
Been to several of them and enjoyed the food.
I find the food at Chipotle to be far better than that at Q-doba.
Also, for me the free-range meat is a huge plus.
Hey, is that place any good? They're down here now.
I slightly prefer Chipotle, but as they werent an option for me, I abused Q-doba for a number of years.
Q-doba has more variety.
Q'doba offers ground beef as a filler and has yellow cheese dip on the menu.
From what I've seen, the difference between "Mexican" food and "Tex-Mex" food is that the former uses white cheese, and the latter uses yellow cheese.
A Spanish Burrito place I do not care for is Panchero's. Bland.
Queso blanco. There's some thing you can get here, like in grocery stores I mean, with some sort of sweet corn cake and queso blanco. It's quite good. I don't know what nationality it is.
Qdoba, owned by Jack in the Box? That Qdoba?
As Ive only ever SEEN one Jack in the Box, Im not counting them as a big player.
Jack in the Box owns Qdoba? How is that possible. Jack in the Box is..just..yikes. Damn good thing they keep those to the south and west of here.
No Chik-fil-a here but plenty of Jack in the Box. I'd gladly swap.
You can keep Jack. Chik-fil-a is a fine establishment. The workers there are trained to be extra-creepy-nice, though.
My pleasure!
Point being? That MacDonald's set into motion a trend that is now hurting it?
McD's is also no longer a part of Chipotle. They weren't really a good match to begin with.
They were just the major investor--they didn't operate the chain, as far as I remember.
Shake Shack's IPO was nuts. They only had $5 million in profits last year.
I've been to Shake Shack twice and got sick both times.
Like IHOP eggs, never again. I'll stick with Bobby's Burger Palace when I'm too lazy to fire up the grill. I can even get my burger medium rare.
Is it International House of Eggs?
No, no it isnt.
I had some great pancakes in Gatlingburg just before Christmas. With those little mountain blueberries. Fuck, was that good.
Gatlingburg sounds more interesting than Gatlinburg.
It's where "Dollywould" is located.
Just a typo--I've been there a bunch. We've been going to Boone a lot lately, so it was my first time back in a while. Had never been there in the winter before, either, which was fun.
Do you go to Cade's Cove?
Sure did. We usually do, but it's particularly good in the early winter, since it's not so high up (less icy).
The best part of that was when we stopped near one of the open fields they have in the loop, and my seven year-old daughter just took off running. She was just totally into the giant open space and nature. Very cool.
I suspect McDonald's will come out of this fine. It's not like people aren't going there anymore. They're just going less.
I'm going there more now that it's flu season. The kids are miserable, so happy meals it is.
Shake Shack is destroying McDonalds jobs. We must put a stop to the capitalist behemoth that is Shake Shack.
I was expecting to read that McDonalds had lobbied for regulation that would put Shake Shack out of biz or were suing them for some kind of infringement.
Thank you Peter. Competition is good and it is nice to know that is allowed to work now and then.
You know who really likes McDonalds? Tulpa. Seriously.
The only thing I eat at McDonald's, and that only occasionally, is the Egg McMuffin. The kids like McDonald's, of course, as I did in my youth.
I like Burger King burgers and McDonalds fries. Sue me.
This is the kind of association that drags down both parties.
Like Sean Penn marrying Madonna.
Sorry. To clarify, Tulpa loves to talk about how he's better than Mcdonalds.
I actually like Mcdonalds, and I'm a classy dude.
It's worth $25 million per store? I find that hard to believe.
It's... exuberant. $5 million in profits last year.
Another ridiculous IPO. We've made absurd bubbles our normal.
McDonald's has one burger that's pretty good--the smokehouse, I think they call it; it's got bacon, which does a good job hiding the flavor of the burger. It also has the "special sauce", which is a guilty pleasure.
Unfortunately, a single image glimpsed on a list of youtube videos has sworn me off McDonald's for a while. Bleach.
Chipotle, however, is about my favorite place to eat. Burrito, blackbeanswhiterice barbacoahotsalsasourcreamcheeseandabagofchips thank you sir or madam.
It took a while before McDonalds got around to adding bacon to their burgers. It's a gimmicky way to add flavor, but you're right, it does take your mind off the beef patty.
I had a pretty good burger at Hardee's some years ago. They started making a higher-end hamburger back then, which I assumethey still do. Haven't been there in years.
Hardee's actually flame-cooks their burgers.
They also have a rotating "specialty burger". Their best one was the first one: the Steakhouse burger, with onion straws, bleu cheese, and A-1 steak sauce.
I like Hardee's (or Carl's Jr.), but I am disgusted by the Mile High Burger. They're original menu was perfect. Why did they have to go and change it?
"Their"
They changed it, now it sucks, right?
Hardee's breakfast is the best. The platter is under $4 for sausage and gravy biscuit, an egg, bacon or sausage, and grits or something else.
Barbacoa is about all I'll do there. But it's really not as awesome as everyone thinks it is.
No, it's not. It's not even my favorite fast-Mexican.
Barbacoa is like eating spicy roast.
A&W is where it's at, although I am disturbed at second part of their 'no antibiotics no hormones' campaign.
They just make sure to feed you cows who haven't experienced puberty yet.
Well, veal is an undervalued commodity. They should focus on that.
Yeah, A&W can be pretty good, and if I'm in the mood for a chicken sandwich and fries I'll try and find a Dairy Queen. There are so many better options out there, I'm pretty sure that the only advantage McDonalds has is that wherever you are, it's probably the closest.
I once got an ice-cream cone from the drive-through at one of the FF restaurants you mention.
Y'a know when you get down to the last part of the cone, the inch or so of the bottom? Some is still crispy and it has half melted ice-cream in it. You just pop that in your mouth and it is the best part of the ice-cream cone, right? I did that and half way through chewing it I had the strong taste of cilantro. Clearly and distinctly the taste of cilantro.
I figured cilantro accidentally dropped in the cone before they put ice-cream in it. I spit it out and discovered that it was actually a large, partially chewed roach.
That happened thirty years ago. To this day I refuse to eat cilantro and I am convinced that only a sadistic monster would put cilantro in perfectly good food. I also do not visit that restaurant.
LOLOLOLOL!!!!
That's a shame cilantro is really good. That cockroach must have liked it!
The cilantro thing is probably genetic. You can get taste test strips from food supply companies to find out.
Cilantro has some chemical in it that a portion of the population perceives to have a soapy water taste. Fortunately, I'm not one of those people.
Unfortunately, my wife is. That has greatly limited my ability to cook Tex-Mex or Indian.
Oh Jesus that's disgusting. I feel the urge to spit a lot just reading that story.
There's no such thing as a 'better' or 'worse' burger in any meaningful sense. Some people prefer Shake Shack over McDs, others do not. I haven't eaten at McDs since high school, but I would greatly prefer a Royal w/ Cheese over just about any of the so-called gourmet burgers floating around LA.
Um, in-n-out?
on Camrose?
You can't make references with me, I won't get them.
SHUT UP, DONNY!
In-n-Out is fast food, and they make a tasty burger. When I say gourmet I'm referring to the Umamis of the world and the even hipsterier bullshit like Grandfathers Office or other gastropub bullshit.
Hipster burgers, eh? I have a list that would melt your eyes.
I was done with hipster burgers the very second the guy at Grandfather's Office told me he wouldn't leave the artisinal mayo off.
Ha, but how were the old fashioneds?
You know, I'm politically and morally opposed to purges, but a hipster purge might not be as evil as others.
In n out tastes exactly like mcdonalds
trolololol
Just admit you've never had In N Out
I have, it tasted like mcdonalds. Admittedly I have not eaten a mcdonalds burger in about a decade, so my taste memory may be a bit off.
OK, that's not even true.
They're not at all bad. I was just disappointed.
In n out tastes exactly like mcdonalds
I agree completely. I have no idea how In n Out got its reputation.
I was extremely disappointed to find out that this is the case when I finally got to try In N Out last month.
Though I did think the fries are better than McDonald's fries.
There's no such thing as a 'better' or 'worse' burger in any meaningful sense.
Well aren't you just the wrongest person ever.
Culver's for the win.
My kids love Culver's. They have good root beer.
Their "Butter Burgers" are as close to "old school fried hamburgers" (circa 1977) as any place I've eaten at. Greasy and delicious. I accidently ate an onion ring there, once, and it was also greasy and delicious.
There cheese curds are the best you can get outside of Wisconsin.
Although they are mediocre inside Wisconsin.
The Old Fashioned on the square in Madison has some of my favorite.
Five Guys for me.
Culver's is up there though.
I found In 'n' Out to be overrated.
Five guys was mediocre for the price, IMO.
Compared to the soggy bun and shit toppings at Five Guys? In n out wins by a landslide, even Bourdain said so.
I've been to both. I remain unmoved.
I have an animal fries suppository that might get you moving.
OK, I lol'd.
One thing these days is that there are a lot of those quasi-fast gourmet burger places. Which is a good thing.
Is Fuddrucker's still around?
Yes
Red Robin Royal =9
We can easily spend $80 in the Red Robins.
It's worth it, of course; we just can't eat there very often.
It's funny, I've never eaten there, and we have one close by. The kids like it because they do bottomless stuff (I think).
Bottomless steak fries. SEASONED steak fries.
I'll have to try it next time I want to gorge on fries. Which does happen on occasion.
Plus: liquor license means alcholic milk shakes
Wait, what?
Red Robins generally have a liquor license and full bar service.
The only place I've seen an active Fuddrucker's in the last 10 years was in Abu Dhabi at Marina Mall.
We ate there fairly regularly when I was a kid (they're not in Tampa, anymore), but the most I ate there was when I lived in Columbus. There was one very close to my apartment. Near the Anderson's.
For whatever reason, I don't remember one in Columbus. Used to have one in Canton, IIRC. Long gone now.
This one was in the Northwest, kind of Dublin/Worthingtonish.
Tuttle Crossing?
No. I think it was Sawmill Blvd. or something like that.
Sawmill pretty close to Tuttle Crossing (the mall).
Kayf al haal?
Jayed, shukran.
That would've been in Arabic script but commentbot is a filthy racist.
I ate at an In n out once. It was as mediocre as a McDonalds burger.
FIVE GUYS FOREVER! Greasy sack of fries FTW.
Look at this last minute drive by!
You probably didn't think anyone would notice
Shorter Laconic:
"I have horrible tase"
taste. Dammit
TASE HIM!
No Five Guys or In 'n' Out near where I live.
So Culver's in the only good choice locally.
I had their cheese curds driving through Illinois on the way to NJ, delicious.
I wish I had one closer. The only ones I know of are in the suburbs.
When I lived in Austin, we had a Culver's right across the street from my office. Those cheese curds put at least 10 pounds on me.
This model is what Im counting on.
I cant compete with Bud on price or technical brewing skill, but I can make beer that tastes good.
Nathan's Famous is still the best small fast food chain in America, like it has been pretty much forever.
They're hard to find in most places yet, but Elevation Burger is amazingly good.
Anarchy Burger!
Hold the government!
I like the Whataburger chain out of Texas. But I'm pretty sure the last time I ate there, I got food poisoning. I'm not sure, but I got really sick right after eating one of their patty melts.
The Whataburgers in Texas are much better for some reason.
We had those in Tallahassee when I was a kid. Loved them.
We used to have them in AZ, but some time in the 90's they left.
They were in Tampa for a while, but I think they pulled out.
1) Food poisoning happens sometimes regardless of how clean a restaurant is.
2) It does however take 12-24 hours to show up, so if you got it immediately after eating at a Whataburger, they're probably not the ones responsible for it.
It might have been 12 hours.
I'm not blaming them. When you think about it, a patty melt is the perfect home for bacteria.
Hold on there. There's two kinds of food poisoning:
1) Food borne intoxication: the bacteria are gone but the toxin is around. Onset is really quick-I think it can be an hour or a little more and it can last 6-8 hours.
2) Food borne INFECTION: virus or more likely bacteria is present. Time to symptoms is much longer, about 12-24 hours IIRC.
Goddamn, now I'm having flashbacks to microbiology in college.
Whataburger in Tucson was surprisingly good. We don't have them anywhere near Ohio.
I thought they were gone. We had them there while I was growing up, but coming back as an adult (2003ish) the one's I knew about were gone and I never saw another.
On Valencia in Tucson, with all the other thousands of fast food places. Was there as recently as 2010, I think.
OK, I found a Shake Shack menu with prices. They don't compete with McDonalds.I'm not so sure they are competing with "fast casual" chains either. $8 burgers, $4 fries, $4 hotdogs, $27 bottles of wine. A large iced tea is $2.75. The prices suggest they are competing with airports and ball parks.
Yeah yeah, and when you grew up gas was a nickel.
Sorry, not all of us are rich socialists like you - an $8 burger is more than a whole *large* combo a JinB.
Not if it's a JinB located where the Shake Shacks are.
Like I said, not all of us are rich socialists.
And at those prices they aren't competing with McDonalds any more than Kia is competing with Porsche.
1. It's not about socialism, it's about land prices, which would be significantly higher in urban areas regardless of how big the government is.
2. This I agree with:
The difference is you seem to think this is a bad thing. Not wanting to eat the cheapest possible crap available doesn't make you a socialist.
No, but trying to play off a $10+ meal at a fast food restaurant is 'normal for the times' is ridiculous.
It might be normal for the area you live in - but its not normal for the rest of the country.
I can spend over $10 at Culvers but if I'm laying down Shake Shack money it isn't going to be at a chain that the McArdles think of as "fast food".
Anybody ever eat at the Anchor Bar in Superior? 2/3 lb burger with the works, fresh cut fries and a 32oz draft for $10.
$12 with the tip. More beer and less money when they have $3 Grain Belt pitchers
I don't know how you people can complain about spending $10 for meal.
He is shocked by our prices because he's been in a coma for 30 years. Or living in Iowa. But I repeat myself.
Hey! I live in Iowa! And I just want to als;kensacvkl;;s
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Yeah, I was going to comment that they are a LOT more expensive.
That said, there's really no comparison on taste.
It really isn't though. Yeah, a Shake Shack double near where I work is $8. Thing is at the McD's right down the road, a double Quarter Pounder is more than $5.
I like Sonic burgers as well. Plus, you can sometimes still order the "Cool Orange Breeze" drink, with orange juice, sprite, and bits of pineapple in it.
Shack Shack? I had to google to confirm that that's the place I went on Drexel's campus when I didn't feel like eating anywhere else I passed on Chestnut. Um, yeah, it's not really that great a burger.
Shake Shack
derp.
Let's be fair here - a ton of McDonald's bloat comes from having to fend off attacks by concern trolls looking to make a name for themselves by taking on an industry leader.
That's forced McDonald's to expand their offerings beyond 'a few things they are good at' so they can get around the accusations of 'poisoning' people with cheap, filling food.
If you want a unique local flavor, and are in the Memphis, TN area, try "Pancho's". It's not the same Pancho's buffet place that they have in TX/AR, by the way.
Some guy in the 1950's took a trip out west, tried Mexican food for the first time, and then tried to open a Mexican restaurant in Memphis based on his memory of how the food tasted. During the 1980's they even had a fast food version--Pancho's Express. Drink refills weren't free.
I like it, because I grew up with it, but it's decidedly an acquired taste.
This may make some people's heads spin, but my favorite Tex-Mex restaurant (I even like it better than Chipotle) is "El Chico". They had a couple of stores in Memphis when I was growing up, but most of them have closed down outside of TX.
Tops is the only place to eat in Memphis. Fortunately, you are never very far from one anywhere in the city.
Is that BBQ?
That depends; are you a BBQ Snob? If so, it's not BBQ.
If you're a normal American, Topps is quite good.
I'm still grieving over The Public Eye going out of business.
I like many different kinds of BBQ, provided that it's good and doesn't involve beef.
I'd ask how the fuck beef has anything to do with BBQ but I'm in Texas where smoked pot roast stands predominate
BBQ is like Chili. Everyone has a different way of making it, and they're all convinced that there's is the One True Way.
Yeah, I found out that these dorks (Chili Appreciation Society International) don't think chili should have beans.
Real Chili doesn't contain legumes.
I include them in my recipe:
2 lbs ground beef
2 cans kidney beans
2 cans hot chili beans
1 can tomato soup
1 can diced tomatoes
2 packets of chili seasoning (we prefer McCormick's, but Mother likes Williams brand)
Cook together until done.
There's a BBQ place called Famous Dave's near Waterloo, IA that I quite liked.
Ye gods, am I hungry.
Fuckin' garbage chain BBQ. You find Famous Dave's wherever they don't have real barbecue. Or that chain that served the poor lady lye in her iced tea.
Do you like Brad's BBQ? (the one in Bartlett by the RR tracks)
I'm also still angry that Mama Grazi's closed. They didn't pay their graft money to the city gubmint, so they got shut down.
Huey's in Memphis has, I'm told, good hamburgers.
Ah, Pancho's. Also C.K.s diner and of course the ubiquitous Tops. And never underestimate the power of the Krystal.
Someone below mentions Hueys, they do have good burgers. What I have been wondering is what the hell happened to Backyard Burger. When I first moved to Memphis I thought they were awesome and were going to take over the country. For about the last 5-10 years it's clear their quality took a dive. Wonder what happened.
They play the hip hop music, and play it loud. My wife stopped wanting to go there.
The "Hawaiian Chicken Sandwich" is the bomb.
I don't think Shake Shack is much of a threat to McDonalds. Sure, their burgers taste great, but the line at lunch is 4 to 5 times as long and they cost three times as much. They're a great niche option, but I think they're about as much of a threat to McDonalds as Mortons.
If this thread gets as many comments as the Sheldon thread then the terrorists have won.
That people are dissing Chipotle means that the terrorists have one.
The Terrorist Chipotle doesn't serve carnitas.
*won
Lack of an edit feature ALSO means the terrorists have one.
*wan
*wun
*succeeded
Since this is a food thread, I should add that I used Hyperion's wing sauce recipe to cook for my workgroup. It was a hit.
One of the employees said that his eyes started watering as soon as he stepped into the station.
My wing sauce recipe is equal parts Louisiana-brand hot sauce (with the red dot) and butter. Heat till butter melts, toss wings, serve wet.
I suppose this thread is dead but I have to say you Shake Shack-aficionados like socialist-Stormy spend too much money on lame food. I travel constantly, get generous cash per diem and eat out almost every night. I'm in a metropolitan area of well over a million people and the past 3 nights I've had pollo asado (half chicken and sides) for $7 + tax. Argentinean empenadas and enselada for $ 10.40 with tax, and a quart of sopa de mariscos with ceviche tostados and 2 Modelos for $30 including tax and 20% tip. The only lunch I've had out was 3 bistek n' queso fresco tacos and a water with lime for less than $5 w/ tax and tip. I'm in the USA if you're wondering. I was totally unfamiliar with this town when I arrived on Monday and I work 10 hours a day
Why don't you just say that you're in Texas?
You're supposed to say: "This thread is as dead as Lou Reed".