Mitt Romney

Mitt Romney Won't Run for the GOP's 2016 Presidential Nomination

The 2012 Republican nominee says he's making way for other candidates.

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Mitt Romney spent the last month strongly hinting that he was considering a third presidential campaign. The former Massachusetts governor and 2012 Republican presidential nominee went through all the motions of setting up a campaign. Last night, he informed supporters that he had made a decision, to be announced this morning. 

Turns out he's not going to run. Hugh Hewitt has posted the full text of Romney's planned remarks for this morning. Here's the key bit:

Let me give you some of my thinking. First, I am convinced that with the help of the people on this call, we could win the nomination. Our finance calls made it clear that we would have enough funding to be more than competitive. With few exceptions, our field political leadership is ready and enthusiastic about a new race. And the reaction of Republican voters across the country was both surprising and heartening. I know that early poll numbers move up and down a great deal during a campaign, but we would have no doubt started in a strong position. One poll out just today shows me gaining support and leading the next closest contender by nearly two to one. I also am leading in all of the four early states. So I am convinced that we could win the nomination, but fully realize it would have been difficult test and a hard fight.

I also believe with the message of making the world safer, providing opportunity to every American regardless of the neighborhood they live in, and working to break the grip of poverty, I would have the best chance of beating the eventual Democrat nominee, but that is before the other contenders have had the opportunity to take their message to the voters.

 I believe that one of our next generation of Republican leaders, one who may not be as well known as I am today, one who has not yet taken their message across the country, one who is just getting started, may well emerge as being better able to defeat the Democrat nominee. In fact, I expect and hope that to be the case.

I feel that it is critical that America elect a conservative leader to become our next president. You know that I have wanted to be that president. But I do not want to make it more difficult for someone else to emerge who may have a better chance of becoming that president. 

This isn't a total shock. Romney is obviously ambitious, but he faced intense criticism from many conservatives, even from some who had supported him in 2012. It wasn't clear what Romney could bring to the race, aside from the fact that he was Mitt Romney. Some polls showed Romney running ahead of other potential GOP contenders, but polls this early mostly test name recognition. Romney was contemplating another personal rebranding—this time, he was going to position himself as "authentic"—but he really hadn't done much or changed much since the 2012 campaign.

The GOP field, on the other hand, has expanded and, arguably, improved considerably. Indeed, that's why some on the right were worried by a possible Romney run: Even if he wasn't totally dominant, he might end up using some of the party's campaign resources that would be better off on a newer candidate with a better shot. 

Romney seems to have gotten the message. His announcement highlights the strength of the GOP field, and says he's stepping aside to make way for other candidates.

I'm sure Mitt Romney is disappointed in this decision, but I don't think many others are. The breadth of the Republican candidate pool this time suggests that this will be a fascinating race without him. 

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  1. But McCain is going to put himself on the ballot twice to make up for it.

    1. Thanks, Mitt. Now Bush needs to step aside for the good of the party. Let guys like Cruz, Paul, Jindal, and Walker duke it out. My vote is for Cruz.

      The more I see of Ted Cruz and his principled actions, the more I hope he runs for president. THIS is a man who will fight!

      Obama, Pelosi, and most Democrats believe that welfare, unemployment and other government handouts are a life style. Most reasonable Americans know that these programs are safety nets and should be a bridge from a tough, short term situation to a better life and prosperity.

      This has now attracted many more illegals, who are ready for the free education, free health care and free government handouts.

      Because of this, taxes and health insurance are through the roof (mine is up to $450/month). Stuff that is still private enterprise is super cheap. Car insurance ($25/month from Insurance Panda), cell phone ($22/month from T Mobile), and gym ($15/month from Planet Fitness). We need to move away from socialism ASAP.

      The Democratic Party = lying, cover-up scheming, socialists. It does not matter who you vote for as long as it is not a Democrat. All Democrats need to lose their jobs and positions. They are ruining America.

      We need a true conservative to bring America back to glory.

      Ted Cruz 2016!

      1. We need a true conservative to bring America back to glory.

        You bet. We need more of the idiocy that got us here. If we only had the correct Top. Men.

      2. Whoa, dude. RedState is thataway.

  2. I guess Mitt is Ready for Hillary!

  3. The GOP bigshits have anointed Ol’ Jeb and aren’t into you anymore, Mitt.

    1. Who have the turds anointed?

      1. Yeah, in all fairness, Romney would make a much better President than Hillary Clinton, and Liz “Wampum” Warren would be even worse than Obama.

        1. Hard to imagine any President who didn’t carpet bomb the country being any worse than Obama. But Warren might be up to the task.

          1. That is why you will always be an idiot, john. You cannot imagine how anyone can think differently than you do.

            You are the anti-Steve Jobs.

            1. You really did forget your meds today. Do yourself a favor and just cut and paste the talking points they send you.

              1. He didn’t take his mess to ought.

            2. That is why you will always be an idiot, john. You cannot imagine how anyone can think differently than you do.

              /Something about a pot and a kettle

            3. This coming from the narcissist obsessed with his own sense of superiority and ego.

            4. Palin’s Buttplug|1.30.15 @ 11:29AM|#
              “That is why you will always be an idiot”

              Still looking for the turd’s fave!

          2. If the current president had an (R) after his name but everything else in the world were exactly the same, you’d think he was the best president ever.

            1. Huh. I thought we despised him because he’s black.

              Now its because he’s a Democrat, huh?

              1. Tony’s got John pegged, doesn’t he?

                If a Republican had manipulated American healthcare in a horribly negative fashion, drastically increased spending, and fought hard against oil production, John clearly would have loved the guy.

                Because those are all things that John favors when Republicans do them.

                1. Not to mention John’s infamous contempt for the Rule of Law.

                2. Just replace those things with manipulated us into a fantastical war/nation building exercise, fighting hard for the Patriot Act and just keep increased spending and you’ve got the GOP’s last run.

            2. What you’ve just said… is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having seen it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul…

            3. Yeah Tony and you would be on here defending him I am sure.

              I know you are a stupid and deeply broken person, but good God do your neurosis and various other problems ever manifest themselves in anyway other than projection? Just once?

              1. You don’t seem to understand. The facts on the ground, the economic reality, the stuff that’s actually happening in the real world–all of this you would be taking credit for if the president were an (R). Things are orders of magnitude less disastrous than they were under the last guy. You would be jizzing yourself with glee at a Republican president who was capable of achieving the relative peace and stability Obama has, I guaranfuckingtee it.

                1. “You would be jizzing yourself with glee at a Republican president who was capable of achieving the relative peace and stability Obama has, I guaranfuckingtee it.”

                  Peace and stability: Ukraine, Libya, Iraq, and Syria would like a word with you.

                  And by the way, before you claim I’m blaming Obama for things that aren’t his fault, I’d argue every one of those things is largely the fault of Obama’s foreign policy.

                  The military intervention in Libya absolutely obliterated that country. We funded rebels in Syria who were actively aligned with ISIS, a mistake that spilled over into Iraq and destabilized that country.

                  Meanwhile, we empowered Putin due to Obama’s red line idiocy which put him in a position of strength and directly led to his realization that he could do whatever he wanted and we wouldn’t stop him.

                  That’s some tremendous stability. I’d hate to see what chaos looked like.

            4. Tony, I have a question: Are you the same Tony that’s been posting here before? Because you seem way dumber than you used to be, and I’m trying to figure out whether multiple people run your handle or if you’ve just recently suffered a stroke and I should be nice to you due to your recently acquired disability.

              1. Irish,

                Tony’s entire world view is imploded in front of him. This isn’t going to end well for him. He is just going to get dumber and more irrational as time goes on. I know that sounds impossible, but remember; you can’t reach peek derp.

              2. It’s me but I do have a cold. I’m speaking specifically of john, who doesn’t appear to have a worldview outside of crass political gamesmanship. Obama has been a terrific president, and I hope I would say that if he was an R. I only became partisan during the last administration when it became clear that no R could possibly govern with reason and responsibility, given the plutocrats and morons they are beholden to.

                1. Obama has been a terrific president

                  And yet you continue to not provide any evidence to actually support this conclusion. Irish covered a lot of the nonsense about ‘relative peace and stability’. Obama’s foreign policy has actively resulted in instability whenever he decides he has to ‘do something’. Domestically? His signature healthcare bill is a net negative for the majority of Americans and the ‘economic recovery’ has been long and slow. Internationally and domestically he’s been shit.

                  Put it this way: regardless of which party or who they are, if a President following Bush with overwhelming support didn’t end the Patriot Act he’s not ‘terrific’ at all.

            5. Or he would still dislike him for his shitty actions and incompetent behaviour, but I don’t expect you to understand complex distinctions outside of your ‘us vs. them’ worldview.

              1. At least John T tries to substantially address Tony’s point rather than pile on with ‘R U on meds’ or U R So Dumb!

                1. Irish touches on that now, but I kind of see his other point. This Tony seems substantially less intelligent than the Tony of six months ago.

                2. Bo,

                  Tony has no point other than “neener neener”. If Tony gets the response his posts merit.

                  1. I respect your partisanship. You can’t do anything unless you win, right? It’s more mature than the daydreams of unicorns that passes for thought among the average libertarian. Still, everything is on a spectrum. If Obama had an R next to his name, he’d be a moderate-to-liberal Republican, which would be a great thing, sort of like it would be great to see the wooly mammoth again.

                3. That’s because it’s obviously stupid to anyone that’s spent a modicum of time here.

                  I’m willing to give Tony that there would likely be some trumpeting of macro indicators and deficit reduction, but the foreign policy and manner in which FedGov conducts its business would still be harshly critiqued.

                4. “At least John T tries to substantially address Tony’s point rather than pile on with ‘R U on meds’ or U R So Dumb!”

                  You mean like when I attacked Tony’s points about stability by pointing to Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and Iraq?

                  At least John, Tony and innumerable other posters are capable of arguing without throwing a spastic hissy fit based on their own incapacity to read the thread.

                  If you want to add something to the conversation, go ahead. But that would require you to make an argument rather than whining about what big meanies the other posters are, which is basically your go to move at this point.

                  Well, there’s that and the Socratic method. Rather than ever making an argument of your own, backed up with actual facts and evidence, you just ask irritating questions that are generally unrelated to the actual discussion at hand.

                  You should probably fix your own mode of argumentation before tone policing people who are actually making coherent points.

                5. Incidentally, Bo, this is the same Tony who shows up in threads to say things like ‘I bet none of you ever have sex!’ and ‘YOU ARE ALL HYPOCRITES WHO WANT POOR PEOPLE TO DIE!’

                  I’ll treat him like a legitimate poster when he gains the ability to string together three consecutive sentences without insulting peoples’ sexual prowess, contradicting himself in a desperate attempt to declare everyone else a hypocrite, or just generally whinging about his towering moral superiority.

                  Until that day comes (which will be never) I think asking if he’s had a stroke is a legitimate question.

                  1. Incidentally, Bo, this is the same Tony who shows up in threads eight hours after threads have died to say things like ‘I bet none of you ever have sex!’ and ‘YOU ARE ALL HYPOCRITES WHO WANT POOR PEOPLE TO DIE!’

                    Fixed.

                    1. in threads

                      HTML FAIL!

                  2. Don’t forget this little gem:

                    https://reason.com/archives/201…..nt_4451563

            6. Tony|1.30.15 @ 11:32AM|#
              “If the current president had an (R)”

              Tony, have your meds checked. The previous Obo named Bush didn’t get raves here in spite of the (R).
              So, fuck off, ingoramus.

    2. I think Rand Paul will be able to use the anointing of Jeb against him.

      1. And that line of reasoning will appeal to only Rand Paul supporters.

        “Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love”. Whoever said that first knows their politics.

        1. Funny stuff coming from a guy who’s lorded over by a queen that everyone else in your party is terrified of challenging.

      2. I agree, it can help him paint Bush as part of the establishment and he, Paul, as outside

        1. Romney was the establishment candidate in 2012. Tell me how the Tea Party got their man that year following their 2010 momentum?

  4. “I also believe with the message of making the world safer…”

    DANGER! DANGER! RED ALERT! RED ALERT!

  5. The world’s just not ready for a Mormon president.

    1. You misspelled “moron”.

      1. I’m pretty sure we’ve had our fair share of those.

    2. I honestly think the Mormon hierarchy told him to can it. They’re running scared of late and don’t want any more public scrutiny.

      1. That’s very likely. They’re taking a lot of shit for what they did in CA.

        1. I doubt they’d object too strongly to a Mormon President. I would guess Romney (or his wife, or his erstwhile backers) made the decision by himself/themselves.

          1. Unless they think he’d be the Mormon JFK.

            But I can’t see Romney banging the White House secretaries.

            Oh, dear, did I plant unpleasant images in your mind?

            1. Nothing you can say could replace the unpleasant images put there by Sugarfree.

  6. The world breathes a sigh of relief!

  7. This should be interesting. I figured Mitt would get bounced pretty early, but now all of the “safe” money will go to Bush. But he’s screwed up some already, which will lose him some serious votes.

    I’m starting to think that we’re going to see one of the mavericks prevail–Cruz, Walker, Paul. It’s in the wind right now, and I think it’s one reason Romney is bowing out and that Clinton is fading.

    1. I don’t think jeb has a shot. Even in the primary. There are still to many general bad feelings about bush, and Jeb has done nothing to distinguish himself in the minds of the ordinary voter.

      1. I agree. No one in the GOP wants him. And his stance on common core is going to hurt him as much as Fatso’s gun control fetish is going to hurt him.

        1. No one in the GOP wants him? Then why does he a donor base and is polling at, like, 20%?

          1. His is the darling of every big money corporate welfare queen. He is going to raise a ton of money. But I don’t think that will translate into that many votes.

            1. Jeb is exactly the kind of loser candidate the Stupid Party hierarchy will work to nominate. Don’t count out their ability to sabotage the other candidates.

              1. They just want things to be quiet so they can loot the treasury in peace.

        2. I’ll also note the 2-ton elephant in the room. The GOP leadership well knows rolling out another candidate named Bush is going to be a disaster for at least the next ten years.

          1. You think so Bill? I hope you are right but I have a feeling they just might be that delusional.

          2. Are you paying attention? The GOP Senate hates Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. The rest of the Establishment GOP also distrusts them.

            Those two have been ‘Ron Pauled’.

            1. Were you born a fat, slimy, scumbag puke piece o’ shit, or did you have to work on it?

        3. He might’ve had a chance if he’d turned on Common Core (which he could easily do–it wasn’t supposed to be federalized or otherwise used as it is now, so easy to distance himself from) and stayed where he was when he was in politics. He really wasn’t a moderate except in a few small ways.

          That said, he’s still a Bush, and there are many who do not want another one. Not just because the other two (especially the most recent) weren’t popular, but there’s a growing distaste with the idea that we can’t find people from another family. That goes for the Clintons, too.

          1. I think you are right about the dynasty part. That is going to hurt him more than anything. If Jeb Bush were named Jeb Smith and no relation to the Bush family and had his record as governor, he would be an 800 lb establishment funded gorilla in this race rather than the glass jaw he probably is.

            1. He wouldn’t be an Est.-funded gorilla if he weren’t a Bush.

              How unpopular could the Bush name be if George Sr. won 1 term & Jr. 2 terms as POTUS? Heck, I think at this point G. Read-My-Lips Sr. could be elected again. He’s out of the hosp., isn’t he?

        4. ” No one in the GOP wants him. ”

          Why do I suspect you thought the same thing about Romney in 12, McCain in 08, etc?

          1. I didn’t think that about McCain. And as far as Romney, Bush isn’t Romney and this isn’t 2012. If you have any actual thoughts on the matter, give them. If not and this is the best you can do,just start posting under the name Tony so we won’t be confused.

          2. And turnout sucked for both candidates. Most of the base simply didn’t want Romey, for example. That’s why “pretty much anybody but Romney” ran through the election cycle until each imploded.

    2. I wouldn’t count out Cruz. The guy is a rock star. He is an absolute hell raiser. The contrast between him and some establishment “I just want to be the tax collector for the welfare state and get along” crap weasel like Jeb Bush or Fatso is going to be immense.

      If I had to bet my money on it, I would still take Walker. I think the country has had enough of Senators and people with no executive experience.

      1. One could make a nice living betting against you every time.

        1. You seem to manage to make a living eating and throwing your own shit. Is there any way you can’t manage?

        2. So how is that Democratic Control of Congress going? You were on here for two years telling us how the Democrats were going to keep the Senate and take back the house. How is that working out?

          1. You’re lying. I said that the 2014 midterms would follow historical norms – meaning that the incumbent six-year POTUS party loses seats. Obamacare meant nothing. History does.

            1. You talked shit continuously until about September when it started to look so bad even someone as delusional as you could see it and of course they sent you talking points to play down the defeat.

              The Democratic party has fewer elected officials in this country now than at any time since the Civil War.

              You love Obama so much and all he does is bring you harm and sorry. You must hate yourself more than even we hate you to keep going back.

              1. Was there actually a talking point after that beatdown beyond “Fuck you America”?

          2. +1 Obamacare won’t have an impact.

            1. It is a big nothing Lord. Shreek told me so.

        3. Palin’s Buttplug|1.30.15 @ 11:24AM|#
          “One could make a nice living betting against you every time.”

          Hey, Mr 8%! Tell us about that abortion known as O-care isn’t going to affect the mid-term elections!

      2. Rand and Cruz need to have a talk. Rand needs to offer Cruz whatever the fuck he wants, whatever cabinet position, vice presidency, senate committee,whwtever Cruz wants in order to stay out of the presidential race this time around.

        While walker may steal some conservatarian/tea party votes, it would be nothing compared to Paul and Cruz slugging it out in the primaries. They could easily end up giving the nomination to Fatty McJersey or Jeb “3 time” Booooosh simply by splitting their constituency.

        1. That is a very good point. And don’t forget you may have Jindal and maybe Ben Carson running too taking the SOCON vote. Both Cruz and Paul could get the SOCON vote and use it to beat the establishment.

        2. Fatty McJersey’s endorsement of New Jersey’s insane gun laws makes him completely non-viable to the GOP in the rest of the country.

          1. I think there’s a lot of “I like this guy” emotionalism that Colonel Chickenwings has accrued for being a complete asshole for the last few years.

    3. Call it wishful thinking, but I think we’re seeing the establishment vote split.

      If the establishment vote gets split three ways or more in Iowa, and Rand Paul can make a nice showing in New Hampshire, that all plays into Rand Pauls’ favor.

      Three or more splitting the establishment vote, two, at least, splitting the social conservative vote, and Rand Paul ahead of everybody with what used to be called the Tea Party people?

      Rand Paul should be spending a ton of money in Iowa on voter registration drives. He should positioned really well with new voters in the primaries.

      1. Split among which candidate? Jeb and whom?

          1. Nope. His stance on NJ’s gun laws makes him pretty toxic in the GOP on the national level.

          2. You know who think Christie would be a good GOP candidate?

            Democrats. And, of course, the media.

        1. Rubio maybe.

          1. Yeah. Definitely Rubio. They love that slimey little bastard.

      2. Rand is popular with the people, but the party establishment is going to make sure he doesn’t get the nomination even if that means throwing the election to Hillary.

        1. I don’t think they’re that opposed to Rand. I get the impression they’re more wary of what he might do. He’s actually been soft enough on his positions on foreign policy and immigration to not totally freak them out, but I think they also worry that he’s not the guy he’s acting like.

        2. Rand is popular with the people

          I’m not sure how true that is, and I suspect it would get much less true the more the public learned about him, but this is the truth of the matter:

          but the party establishment is going to make sure he doesn’t get the nomination even if that means throwing the election to Hillary.

          If they had to put snipers on the roof of the convention building and pick off all his delegates one by one, they’d do it.

          1. It’s weird, because I’ve heard some establishment guys say flat out that Paul probably is the best candidate, vote-wise, for the general. Yet they’re not slobbering over him because he’s clearly carrying a spear to stab in whatever parts of Leviathan he can get away with, regardless of how moderate he is on some issues.

            1. I think he’s a time bomb electorally. He’ll get smeared as a kook as bad or worse than his father, and he’s done little to mitigate that possibility.

              On top of which, the republican party still has a hate boner for Ron Paul and his movement as it is. They’ve always treated his supporters like the retarded cousin. And lest we forget now-senate majority leader Mitch McConnell endorsed Trey Grayson in the 2010 senate race where Paul won his seat.

              1. It would help if his father would stop intentionally trying to torpedo his candidacy.

            2. I’ve heard some establishment guys say flat out that Paul probably is the best candidate, vote-wise, for the general.

              Damn Rand Paul is just too electable! We can’t have that!

      3. The Iowa caucuses will be split by one candidate that pleases the conservative christen voters (strong everywhere, but dominant in western Iowa) one candidate that pleases small business owners; and one candidate that collects the riff-raff that voted for Ron Paul.

    4. I sense something; a presence I’ve not felt since…

  8. I’m still waiting for the Palin vs Biden match up. That would be the epic campaign of the Century.

    1. Sounds a lot better than Hillary Bush.

      1. Hil-dog probably has the same stringy thatch she had in the 60s.

    2. God love ya, you betcha!

    3. +1 Grizzly Bear vs Trans Am

  9. The King is dead! Long live the King!

    1. Thank you! Thank you very much!

  10. It doesn’t really matter who (whom?) the establishment parties put on the ballot. One will be elected – claim a mandate – and refuse to shrink the size of government. The result is same old shit until government just gets so big it smothers the economy to death. The only questions are – when will it happen, and will we be prepared?

    1. Well, yes, of course. But at least there’s a slight chance that someone less in love with the state could win. Though it may be too late for that to save us.

  11. Alice Cooper — A Troubled Man For Troubled Times!

    1. Plus – loves the golf! Key factor these days….

      1. And unlike Obama, he is not a pathetic nerd and is actually pretty good at it. I mean if we are going to have a President who does nothing but play golf, can we at least have one with some ability?

        1. For once we agree. Obama is a spastic wonky nerd. Dumbya was an idiot but he could throw a fastball like he had done it before.

  12. On the plus side, Shitt Flopney will have plenty of time to go try out for the lead role in “The Book of Mormon” or something.

    1. Your name-calling continues to be the height of sophistication Mike M.

  13. *wipes brow* America dodges one bullet, only to get another.

    1. NOt really. He wasn’t going to win.

      1. nah, I’m just saying that it’s likely we will get shit candidates no matter what.

        As much as I would love to vote for Rand Paul, I don’t see that possibility happening – not with the GOP establishment the way it is. I hope I’m wrong.

        Best case? Cruz or Walker. Chances of that happening? *Gallic shrug*

        1. Paul is a serious candidate this time, which is mildly surprising. If I had to bet, though, I’d say Cruz.

        2. I like Walker’s chances. I don’t think jeb has a prayer, but time will tell. I fear Fatso more than Jeb. That noxious fat bastard has more fans than you would think. People hate Washington and the media so much, Fatso is a force simply because he is willing to be such an asshole. They don’t care who does it, they just want to see someone stick it to the media and Washington. And Fatso, though his politics are loathsome, is really good at doing that.

          1. I think Christie’s time has passed completely. Just horse-race talking, I like Bush’s odds a lot more than his, and I think he’s doomed.

          2. Of course, his opponents just need to play his live Obama sucking after Sandy to remind everyone that he likes Washington just fine.

  14. The subtext of everything Mitt said is that he knows Hillary will win.

    1. Yes Tony, the voices in your head read his mind and told you so. What else do these voices tell you?

      1. Wanna put some money on this? It’s just voices in my head after all.

        1. How are we supposed to know who is right? I can’t read Romney’s mind. Are we supposed to ask the voices in your head the answer?

        2. I’m surprised you love Hillary so much given that she was in favor of the very Iraq War you claim to have been A) fought for oil and b) the greatest human rights crime in American history.

          She also favored the Patriot Act.

          Upthread you claimed John would love Obama if he had an R next to his name. Well, based on the fact that you’re gloating about a future Hillary win (and would unquestionably vote for her if given the opportunity), it seems that you love Bush’s foreign policy when it’s expressed by a Clinton.

          1. I was for Hillary ’08 before Obama beat her. Longtime devotee. Have you still not learned that a president’s personal qualities are of almost no consequence? Could Obama have gotten a different healthcare law if his personality were slightly more forceful? No. Would Bill Clinton have gotten more liberal policies if he just wanted to a little bit harder? No. Congress matters so much more. All that matters to me, as a Democrat, is that there’s a Democrat to sign Democratic bills and veto Republican ones. That Hillary is nebulous in her politics (though I know her to be a liberal at heart) is a plus. But it hardly matters. We all place way too much emphasis on the presidency.

            1. You are even dumber than I imagined. It’s like gazing into a void of idiocy out of which no intelligence can ever come. (Sorry, Bo!)

              Let me spell this out: A Hillary presidency would mean a violently interventionist foreign policy. It would mean warfare on a grand scale, probably even more so than during the Bush years.

              Yet you support someone who would engage in wars just like Iraq, even though you claim to have opposed Iraq.

              If you oppose Iraq, why are you a long time devotee (the religious terminology is a nice touch by the way – really shows you didn’t come by your beliefs rationally) of someone who was in favor of war in Iraq for years before the 2003 invasion?

              It’s either because you’re a liar who doesn’t care about the war, an idiot who doesn’t know Hillary’s policies, or simply a Democratic party cultist who would blow your brains out at Debbie Wasserman Schultz’ command.

              So which is it?

              1. I don’t believe in having strong opinions, but I strongly believe that it’s in the best interest of the people of the world for Republicans to have as little power as possible. I support Hillary because she can win. Like Obama she’s an object of much projection. The person who’s supposedly a neocon enabler is also the person who’s been a b?te noire of the VRWC for my entire adult life. Maybe somewhere in there is a president who can temper the rabidity of the buck-toothed morons who control half of the politics in this country. Even if not, it will be better than some idealistic doofus doing the bidding of Koch and Heritage. We don’t vote for individuals in this country, we vote for parties. I don’t like it, but I can’t change it either.

                1. Ahh, so it really is all principals before principles for you.

            2. All that matters to me, as a Democrat, is that there’s a Democrat to sign Democratic bills and veto Republican ones.

              Group Interest: This group did not demonstrate an understanding of the ideological spectrum, but made choices based on which groups they saw the parties representing (e.g. Democrats supporting blacks, Republicans supporting big business or the rich). These people tended to not understand issues that did not clearly benefit the groups they referred to.

              RIP Philip Converse

              1. The Nature of Belief Systems in Mass Publics (the article I yanked that summary from)

                It’s a good read if you want to become increasingly cynical. The premise is that a large swath of voters can only achieve TEAM level political analysis at best. Ideology and principle are only exhibited by a small minority of voters.

    2. Bo was right. With this kind of incisive commentary I really should treat you with more respect and ‘address your points.’

      How could I have been so blind?

      1. Mitt is an allegedly good businessman and knows a bad deal when he sees it, and I’m an expert at reading subtext. And I just got my tax refund. Let’s put money on it, it will be fun.

        1. Here’s the thing Tony: Your argument isn’t that Hillary will win (which she could) your argument is that you can read Mitt Romney’s mind and pinpoint the exact reason someone chose not to run, even though you have never met this person.

          So even if Hillary did win, you still haven’t prove the reason for Romney dropping out. Unless you’re a psychic and simply haven’t shown this ability up til now.

          1. It’s projection. Like he says above, he’s a longtime devotee. Romney MUST realize that he’d lose to Clinton because Tony supports her.

          2. If Tony was really psychic he wouldn’t be gloating over his tax refund and would instead be betting the $1M he got from the Amazing Randi after proving his paranormal abilities to him.

            http://web.randi.org/the-milli…..lenge.html

        2. ” I’m an expert at reading subtext”

      2. Irish|1.30.15 @ 12:07PM|#
        “Bo was right. With this kind of incisive commentary I really should treat you with more respect and ‘address your points.'”

        Yeah, I suggest the twit Bo and the asshole Tony in a room by themselves to ‘reason’ with each other.

        1. I’d rather watch the Honey Boo Boo sex tape than listen to that t?te-?-t?te

        2. Bo gets way too much flak. He’s knee-jerk contrarian, pedantic, and often way more irritating than he needs to be, but I like to have him around as a gadfly, and most importantly, he’s neither evil (like Tony) nor stupid (like Shriek).

    3. Holy shit, that is fucking stupidly insane even by ‘Tony’ standards.

    4. Yep, that pathological liar that tends to divide her own party, completely lacks charisma and responds to challenges by even soft-ball questions from sympathetic journalists with churlish irritation is a shoe-in.

  15. my roomate’s mother makes $63 /hr on the internet . She has been unemployed for 10 months but last month her check was $18498 just working on the internet for a few hours. read the full info here……………
    ????? http://www.cashbuzz80.com

    1. That has been the case for a very long time. I think it was 1992 when the CPUSA stopped running a candidate for President and just endorsed the Democratic one.

  16. OH THANK GOD. I don’t like Jeb but I would take him over Romney (or even Fat Jersey) any day. I cannot even fathom how Romney let alone a large number of people that it would be a good idea for him to run.

  17. I suspect that the GOP primary will be a Jeb vs Ted matchup.

  18. It wasn’t clear what Romney could bring to the race, aside from the fact that he was Mitt Romney.

    Wasn’t that the winning formula in 08 and 12 for a certain Chicago thug?

  19. Good. This opens up the field for, like, two schmucks we wouldn’t have had otherwise.

    My money’s on (1) an ex-wrestler and (2) the former CEO of a barely-successful company, either a woman or non-white (but not both).

  20. I was disappointed that he didn’t say, “You won’t have Mitt Romney to kick around anymore.”

  21. Thank God Romney finally came to his senses. How if we can only convince Jeb to do the same, at least there MIGHT be a some chance to beat Hillary, but I doubt it. The majority of the USA WANTS Socialism.

    IT’S ALL OVER FOLKS!

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