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Women's College Cancels 'Vagina Monologues' Because It Excludes Women Without Vaginas

Good riddance! Yet I just can't get on board with the logic of Mount Holyoke's dismissal...

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Since the 1990s, students from Mount Holyoke College, an all-women's school in Massachusetts, have staged an annual production of The Vagina Monologues. Not this year. The college is retiring the ritual over concerns that the play—penned by Eve Ensler in 1996 as a way to "celebrate the vagina" and women's sexuality—is not inclusive enough. 

In a school-wide email from Mount Holyoke's student-theater board, relayed by Campus Reform, student Erin Murphy explained that "at its core, the show offers an extremely narrow perspective on what it means to be a woman … Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions, and many of us who have participated in the show have grown increasingly uncomfortable presenting material that is inherently reductionist and exclusive." 

Good riddance!, I say; though I admire how women's groups have used The Vagina Monologues to raise funding for anti-violence programs, the play itself has always been a little too schmaltzy for my liking, its tone a little too outdated. That it's become (and remained) a millennial student staple has always surprised me. I wouldn't be sad to see more colleges ditching the show. 

But I just can't get on board with the logic of Mount Holyoke's dismissal, similar strains of which have been seen elsewhere recently. Last January, for instance, a fundraiser for a Texas abortion-advocacy group came under fire because of its title, "A Night of a Thousand Vaginas," which some argued was hurtful to trans individuals.

In both cases here, the argument is premised on the idea that a) not all women have vaginas, and b) some men do have vaginas, because some trans individuals identify and live as a different gender than they were born without getting genital reconstructive surgery. Ergo, a trans women is a woman, full stop, but she may have a penis. A trans man is a man, full stop, but he may have a vagina. Fine. I get that. I'm cool with that. And, regardless, it doesn't matter if I'm cool with it, because how other people define their genders/bodies/sexualities is none of my concern. If you are a woman without a vagina, neat; there is totally room for all of our experiences in this great big, crazy world.  

Yet I am a woman with a vagina, and this becomes an area of my concern when people start saying that I shouldn't reference or acknowlege that—that it's in fact bad and intolerant so 20th century to even speak about it. The fact that some trans women don't have vaginas doesn't negate the fact that the vast majority of women do. And now, in the name of feminism, "female-validating talk about vaginas is now forbidden," as one anonymous writer on a Mount Holyoke messageboard put it. "That's so misogynistic under the guise of 'progress.'" 

But "we can't present a show that is blatantly transphobic," countered another student, displaying the kind of rhetoric that is troubling in all this. There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to stage a women's show that includes trans perspectives (on genitals or whatever else), but that doesn't make a show without those perspectives transphobic. It just makes it a show without those perspectives, in this case one written almost 20 years ago. And while it might be hard for today's students to imagine, in those days discouraging people from talking openly about female sexuality or suggesting that gender was anything but a social construct is what would earn you the approbation of feminists. 

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325 responses to “Women's College Cancels 'Vagina Monologues' Because It Excludes Women Without Vaginas

  1. No byline?

    1. I was about to say the same, and guess ENB, but when you open the article, her byline pops up.

    2. Yet I am a woman with a vagina…

      Must be Suderman.

        1. That’s why you’re my favorite reasoner, ENB.

        2. Yeah, I always make people with va-jj’s laugh.

  2. Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions

    So much for them thar chromosomey things.

    1. The retort to that is that sex and gender are two different things.

      Whatever, I’m with ENB on this one

      it doesn’t matter if I’m cool with it, because how other people define their genders/bodies/sexualities is none of my concern

      1. Yeah, that. It doesn’t matter if it’s natural or whatever. People can do what they want.

        1. Except show “the vagina monologues”.

        2. Wow, Zeb, really? So phenotype and genotype are just words? Gestational hormones just a fantasy? Zeb, let me walk you over to the know-nothing bench where the other (willfully) ignorant hang out.]

          1. This whole comment train was in relation to gender, which is separate from sex. Sex is what is designated by your chromosomes, gender is a part of your psychological profile. The adage goes : “Gender is what’s in your head, sex is what’s between your legs.” So yeah, your gender can really be anything.

            1. So is a butch lesbian woman not really a woman but a man? Am I, a straight male, a butch lesbian woman? The definition of “what’s in your head” is meaningless. Feminists have long argued that “woman” shouldn’t be defined as how she dresses or how she acts, so what is a woman defined as? Is it not logical to define them as persons having vaginas who are born with XX chromosomes?

              1. You’re missing my point. Gender and sex have precise meanings, if you are specifically referring to sex when you say woman, then that is designated by your chromosomes. If you are referring to gender, it is how they identify. This is why we use the precise terms, since the term “man” and “woman” are imprecise as they can refer to either.

                1. What does it mean to “identify” as a woman? Clearly you don’t mean how they dress, act, etc. That would be sexist. What’s to stop me from identifying as a lesbian with a penis? It won’t change the way I behave, as I would merely be behaving like a “man” in the traditional sense of the word. Can I start using the ladies’ room now?

                  1. Can I identify as a dolphin? I really don’t feel like a human and I want everyone to address me as a dolphin.

                    1. “So long and thanks for all the fish.”

                    2. This is basically an argument people used to challenge gay marriage:

                      “If we open up the definition of marriage, what’s to stop people from opening it up further? What’s to stop people from marrying animals and objects?”

                      “The definition of marriage, is a union between a man and a woman” is similar to “the definition of gender is your chromosomes”. This may be something that you understand to be true about yourself, something that you understand to be true about a *lot* of people, because it is, but there are some very real people with very real experiences who don’t understand this definition to be true. Some people felt very offended that two men or two women would come and say, well the definition of marriage seems to be more just a loving union between two people, because we can endure a marriage and we’re not a “man and a woman”. Some *definitions* are isolating, and it’s wrong to, instead of listen to other people’s experiences, shut down the realities of people that are different because it doesn’t suit something you’ve known to be true about yourself. And if you want to argue that legal/scientific definitions are separate, I want to remind you that bloodletting used to be considered a cureall, until people started coming up and saying, “well, actually, no, this isn’t helping me”.

                    3. Also, you’re twisting the actual experience people have with gender misidentification and instead focusing on the perceived absurdity of transgenderism.

                      The issue in question is gender, and trans* individuals are not coming out as dolphins. And gender identity is something that has a *biological* basis. There is a scientific definition for “identifying as a woman”, to answer your question.

                      What’s to stop you from identifying as a lesbian with a penis? You haven’t experienced a lifetime of dysphoria, is what’s to stop you. You haven’t experienced all sorts of damaging and confusing emotional and physical pain in reference to your gender. That’s what’s stopping you.

                      You’re triviliazing the fact that people *do* identify as that, and that’s not an easy thing to live with. Just because it’s an experience you have not lived, does not mean it is *not* an experience. You don’t want to accept people that are different from you, and that’s not OK.

                      Also there are intersex individuals, who have a defined chromosomal gender, but may often not identify with it, or choose to live as it. And what about XXY? Chew on that a little bit.

                    4. Chromosome determine sex, some tiny number of people have cells with XX chromosomes as well as cells with XY chromsomes, which type of cells develop into genitalia determines observable sexual characteristics. But if you dont have XX chromosomes you wont produce eggs or ever give birth. So chromosomes detemine sex even in those with genetic deformities. Gender is a ridiculous concept when applied to people (although it makes sense for distinguishing types of nouns in languages like french). What you choose to believe about yourself doesnt alter your sexual organs or abilities to give birth or inseminate. It is a good way to distinguish if one is delusional and insane. If you have XX chromosomes yet think you are a man , you are crazy, similarly for those with XY chromosomes and penises who think they are women. Batshit nuts. And it does matter to me whether others are trying to deceive me as to who or what they are or are so delusional that they don’t know. I am not in favor of making language meaningless or accommodating the lies or delusions of the mad.

                    5. What does it mean to “identify” as a woman? You say it has a “biological” basis, but what does it mean?
                      Does it mean you like to wear skirts? Shave your legs? Have sex with men? Drink cosmopolitans? Read US Weekly? Wish you had boobs/ a vagina?

                      Feminists would say that most of these things are stereotypes of women and don’t reflect femininity. There are many women who don’t do these things and consider themselves women. Trans groups would say the last one isn’t a prerequisite for being a woman.
                      As to whether or not I’m a trans- lesbian: Who are you to tell me what I identify as? There are plenty of women who dress the way I do, don’t shave their arms/legs like I do, like to sleep with women as I do. The only difference between me and many lesbians is that I have a penis and they have a vagina. Yet this article shows that some people would say that there is absolutely no difference between me and a lesbian woman, since having a penis doesn’t mean I’m not a woman. That it is all based on what I “claim” myself as. That isn’t perceived absurdity, that’s outright absurdity. Words have meanings.

                      Give me one good reason why my university should not let me into the girl’s locker room and shower with them if I claim I am transgendered. If they say I don’t look or act like a woman, I could call them sexist for suggesting women need to dress and act “girly”. If they point out that I have a penis, then I’ll say they’re bigots because they don’t understand how I gender identify.

                    6. As a libertarian, I don’t give two shits about whether someone is deranged enough to lop off their genitals or not. I don’t care if a guy wants to dress up in women’s clothes, or actually feels like he is a woman himself. I don’t care at all. What I do care about is when their claim to actually being women influences other people, like Trans- MMA fighters beating the shit out of real women:

                      http://www.cagepotato.com/afte…..isnt-fair/

                      Or the instances where men have had sex with trans-women but the trans-women never told him she used to be a man because she was always a “woman”. I don’t want to live in a world where a guy has to ask “what sex were you born as” as a first date question.

                      I know there is a very small percent of the population who had the misfortune of having been born with a non-normal set of genes. That’s unfortunate, but call it what it is : a disorder.

                    7. Transgenderism will be the death of women’s sports.

                    8. I agree 100%. If gender is just a construct, then so is transgender. Someone can only be trans in relation to defined gender roles.

                    9. “Give me one good reason why my university should not let me into the girl’s locker room and shower with them if I claim I am transgendered. If they say I don’t look or act like a woman, I could call them sexist for suggesting women need to dress and act “girly”. If they point out that I have a penis, then I’ll say they’re bigots because they don’t understand how I gender identify.”

                      And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how the hammer is dropped.

                      Very nicely said, ElevenOnly. Couldn’t have been said better even if we gathered a million butch lesbians and had them furiously type away at keyboards for a million years.

                    10. Exactly Vincent. I think the PC crowd will soon face a paradox between third-wave feminism and transgenderism.

                    11. Yes I say there’s a biological basis. Articles if you’d like:

                      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm…..MC2754583/

                      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289

                      You literally said, “I’m a straight male”. That is how you identified. What makes you different from a trans lesbian is that you haven’t lived with the pain of being trans*. It’s not wrong to acknowledge people’s identified genders because it blurs the lines of gender that, to someone who views gender as a static concept, are very clear and concise. There are people who’s real life experience refutes that. If someone doesn’t want to listen to them, and their experiences, and the pain that having a trans* identity can cause, especially when others refuse to acknowledge it and consider it freakish and disorderly (something people used to say about homosexuality), that’s wanting to not listen to other people who they don’t understand and are different.

                      As you said yourself, **not** trans*. You’re argument is that there shouldn’t be a system to protect trans* people because you can think of ways to outsmart it? *Would* you purposefully do that? That’s a pretty horrible thing to do. Systems that help out many are always going to be vulnerable to those few horrible people who would try to take advantage of any sort of system that’s out there, but that’s an entirely different argument.

                    12. Also everyone in that cage potato article is saying that it seems unfair, but it’s the only example they have and they don’t want to draw conclusions. MMA-fighting should have guidelines on how this is handled, but trans women who have been on hormones long enough to be in a female range do not retain muscular strength in the same way that men do. Testosterone is required to cultivate muscle mass, and trans women are usually have lower testosterone levels than women, because they are actively taking medications to block it in order for estrogen levels to be raised. I do agree there should be hormonal qualifiers for when it becomes fair for trans women to participate in female sports.

                    13. My point is this: Gender studies now teach that gender is a societal concept, that it’s not “real”, but manufactured by society. Your argument that it’s biological contradicts that line of thinking.

                      What does the biology say about what it means to be a male to female transexual? What are the traits of “identifying” as a woman? Is it wanting to do “feminine” things and act “feminine”? If so, how does one define “feminine” without being stereotypical of women? There are plenty of butch lesbians who act in no way “feminine” but would not say they are men.

                      If you say it’s about “Wishing to have a vagina”, or have a body morphism that is female in sex then that makes more sense. In that case, it’s not wrong to classify it as a “disorder” since there is a clear psychological or neurological wiring “problem”. When I say “problem” I simply mean not functioning normally, I don’t want you to think I’m ascribing a moral failing to that word.

                      Homosexuals also have the same deal. The thing with homosexuality is that it doesn’t impact anyone, so there’s no consequence of them living with this condition. So who cares if homosexuals have different brain functions? It doesn’t concern me.

                      And trans people don’t concern me either, except when trans-activists want to use their outrage to try and change definitions of words like “women”.

                    14. And now we get to the problem of definition. A trans-woman is not a woman. Trans-women may feel like women, but they lack half of the makeup for it. I hate to tell you this, but reality doesn’t always gibe with how one feels. Trying to mutilate oneself to fit a deluded picture of what they should be is usually a sign of mental illness, but in this case it’s accepted for some reason. There are instances of people who believe they were born to the wrong race. If a white man gets skin pigmentation to become black, is he a black man? Or is being “black” also a cultural thing? If you concede that it is, then that is also saying that black people “belong” to a certain type of culture. There are plenty of black people who don’t fit that stereotype. Are they then white?

                      Is this person really a cat because they feel deep-down they are?
                      Link 1Should we alter the definition of “cat” to also include “people with a bunch of tattoos, filed teeth, and tons of shit stuck in their skin?”

                      Should we accept that people are just fucking dragons because they say so?
                      Link2

                      Or maybe we could collectively not change the definition of common words and throw common-sense out of the window because of a very tiny percentage of the population. It might hurt, but that’s life.

                    15. I called myself a straight male, but by your definition I COULD be a woman if I willed it so. What is the litmus test for this? Do you think Mt Holyoke would accept me as a woman if I did nothing to change my appearance or behavior? Because all I have to say is that I have always identified myself as a woman. You know the truth, that I don’t, but in your world, gender is meaningless, and everyone is a potential woman.

                    16. “You’re argument is that there shouldn’t be a system to protect trans* people because you can think of ways to outsmart it?”

                      My argument was more along the lines of pointing out the absurdity of your definition of what makes a woman a woman.

                    17. OK, so I’m going to *kind* of ignore the otherkin thing, though I understand the point your making about how “identity”, seems to be nothing more than a verbal statement. Also I don’t know a lot about the racial argument (don’t know much about white people that get skin pigmentations), but again, I understand that there’s a clash between political correctness of saying “gender/race is not defined by behavior” leads to “how do we define gender/racial identity if it’s wrong to define it by behavior”?

                      Woman or man, as words, mean a lot of things, and to me, aren’t really covered in single definitions. I understand that clashes with the static definitions, but it’s just not what I’ve come to understand about the word, again, because people identify with the words that wouldn’t necessarily fit into the chromosomal, genital, cut and dry definitions.

                    18. “Trying to mutilate oneself to fit a deluded picture of what they should be is usually a sign of mental illness but in this case it’s accepted for some reason”

                      It’s accepted, because there’s a significant basis that says opposed to control groups, trans* identified individuals live much happier lives after transitioning. I think it’s wrong to *have* a litmus test for it, but if you needed one, it would be whether transitioning would improve your emotional/mental health or destroy it. I think one’s own experience of how they feel about their assigned at birth gender is the litmus test, but there’s no way to quantitatively prove it, regardless of behaviors. Some people are cross-dressers that behave in masculine/feminine ways and identity as female/male respectively, and some people are trans* that behave in ways masculine/feminine ways that identify as female/male respectively.

                    19. What it comes down to, in the end, is that, and correct me if I’m wrong, you feel that gender has static definitions. I feel very strongly that gender has a fluid definition. I’m saying that because of the experiences I’ve heard from other people, that defining gender in static ways can be exclusive and *very* hurtful to people that in no way seem to suffer from a mental illness post-transition, or pre-transition (though I understand how you could call pre-transition dysphoria as delusional and a mental illness by your definitions).

                      If an event or a college wants to be exclusionary, they could simply call themselves a “cis-women’s” college. It’s not that hard to add an extra adjective, and at the very least it would be accepting of other people’s experiences with the word “woman”. If that’s absurd to you, than it’s absurd to you, but it’s not to me, and I’m not alone in thinking that, as you’re not alone in thinking the opposite.

                    20. “defining gender in static ways ”

                      You mean defining gender at all. If words have fluid definitions, then they are not defined.

                      “can be exclusive and *very* hurtful to people”

                      in other words: “Boo-hoo! People don’t believe in my alternate version of reality! ”

                      “If an event or a college wants to be exclusionary, they could simply call themselves a “cis-women’s” college”

                      Or they could just ignore the PC bullshit and call themselves a woman’s college and admit actual women.

                    21. I mean, maybe our definition of cat is too “static”.

                      Cat (n) a small domesticated carnivore, Felis domestica or F. catus, bred in a number of varieties

                      We should have a more fluid definition of cat, to be absolutely inclusive. Maybe we should have:

                      Cat 1. (n) a small domesticated carnivore, Felis domestica or F. catus, bred in a number of varieties.

                      2. People who think they are the above.

                      While we’re at it, all static definitions result in othering of nouns. I propose a new definition for chair:

                      chair
                      noun
                      1.
                      a separate seat for one person, typically with a back and four legs.

                      2. a powered flying vehicle with fixed wings and a weight greater than that of the air it displaces.

                      3. Screw it, any noun. Definitions shouldn’t be so static.

                    22. Here is my challenge to you: If you feel that the biological definition of “woman” is insufficient, write a definition of “woman” that is inclusive of all women and trans-women, yet is exclusive of all men and trans- men. If you can do that convincingly then your argument may have some merit to me.

                    23. my roomate’s sister-in-law makes $61 hourly on the laptop . She has been fired for 8 months but last month her payment was $13483 just working on the laptop for a few hours. you can check here…………
                      ????? http://www.jobs-sites.com

                    24. I have no problem with this. In fairness, we probably won’t be hanging out very much as I don’t like dolphins, so I won’t have very many occasions to call you a dolphin.

            2. So If Gender and sex are different, and hiring is based on Gender, can we hire Dennis Rodman in a dress and put a checkmark in both the Woman box andthe African American box for quota purposes.

              Not that we have quotas and count that sort of stuff, ooooooh nooooo.

              1. Wouldn’t identifying as a woman be stereotyping women.

                What does a butch lesbian feel about how trans-woman identify themselves?

      2. You know, I am an engineer.

        I don’t really care what people do so long as I do not have to pay for it and the extend the same space to me.

        That said, it is impossible to have meaningful conversations unless words actually mean something. So in consideration of the desire to discuss things in a meaningful way, whenever I use the term “female”, I am referring to someone with two Y chromosomes.

        That in no way is my use of the word “female” intended to involve any of their personal behavior with males (men), other females (women), farm animals (let your mind range free), or automated equipment.

        Just to be clear. LOL

        1. Er us biologists think it’s two XX’s but what do we know.

          1. Us folks with access to high school biology textbooks and an unending need to be pedantic think it’s two X’s, not four, but then what do we know?

            1. Us folks with access to high school biology textbooks and an unending need to be pedantic think it’s two X’s, not four, but then what do we know?

              I use female for XX of the XX/XY pair, XX of the XX/X0 pair and ZW of the ZZ/ZW pair.

              Pretty much; sperm = male, eggs = female.

              The best kind of correct!

        2. So then what would you call folks with Turner’s syndrome or Klinefelter syndrome or XYY syndrome?

          It really doesn’t matter what people refer to themselves as. I don’t care as it doesn’t affect me in the least.

      3. And the answer to THAT is that there is genetics, and there is being screwed in the head. I’m screwed in the head, although not that particular way, so I have some sympathy. But if God, or Gia, or Evolution or whatever you believe in didn’t process the requisition, sorry, you’re stuck with what you were born with. I have no problem with you presenting as the opposite. I have no problem with you presenting as an anthropomorphic badger, if that’s you. But when it comes down to brass tacks there’s male, female, (terrifically rare) hermaphrodite, and mutilated. And in the last case, if a doctor was involved he/she should be struck off and possibly jailed.

        1. As Mrs Garrison would say: “What do you mean I can’t have my period?… I’m not a woman, just a man with a mutilated penis!”

        2. I have no problem with you presenting as an anthropomorphic badger, if that’s you.

          My right to make fishybear or manbearpig jokes does not infringe on your imaginary right not to be offended.

      4. Carry, on Ms Brown, the stupid that these SJW nitwits exhibit is laugh out loud hilarious.

      5. because how other people define their genders/bodies/sexualities is none of my concern.

        IMO, as a libertarian, I’m especially concerned with how other people define their genders/bodies/sexualities and mine. It starts with where they and I define their fists and they and I define my nose and proceeds conceptually outward from there.

        I’m not worried that if the definition suddenly changes, men everywhere will start rubbing penises on women and calling a handshake (but I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers went up). I’m worried that there are men out there who do rub their penises and we’re justifying their misconception of reality.

    2. I don’t want to start a whole thing here, but biological sex and gender aren’t identical.

      1. No, but they are supposed to be complementary. In a way you can say they are two parts of a larger function. Gender is meant to serve the biology of sex; it is the operating system for the biological hardware.

      2. True. Some, people are delusional. And they are enabled by the traitor. The progressive.

    3. Several of my friends have non-standard arrangements of them chromosomey things, and even the ones who have more traditional numbers of Xs and Ys have non-traditional things going on in their brains or their lived experiences.

      But unless there’s more going on with this presentation at the college than is obvious to the reporter from outside, these folks are still Doing It Wrong.

      1. “non-standard arrangements”

        Mutants, then?

        1. There are five common non-standard chomosomal phenotypes that crop up.

          Turner Syndrome (single X), XYY, Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), and XXX. Look them up.

          1. *okay I counted wrong, I had a lot of tabs open.

            1. UCS: There are five commo…
              Knight: Three, sir.
              UCS: There are three common non-standard chromosomal phenotypes that crop up.

          2. All 3 of the things you mentioned, all were titled, “Disorder” “Syndrome”, etc. and had a prevalence of about 0.1%, which is not exactly ‘common’.

            And aside from Klinefelter syndrome, having some jacked-up chromosomes doesn’t seem to be any slam-dunk justification for throwing out our conventional understanding of what makes something Male or Female.

            1. Gilly, 0.1% is one in one thousand. So, no, not common, but also not that rare given the large population and internet culture of the 21st century.

              1. “Gilly, 0.1% is one in one thousand”

                Really? OMG I NEVER KNEW

                I fail to see how the subjective proportionality issue affects my actual point, re:

                “having some jacked-up chromosomes doesn’t seem to be any slam-dunk justification for throwing out our conventional understanding of what makes something Male or Female.”

          3. And two of those (XYY and XXX) function essentially normally as male and female, while many (most?) XXY are basically normally male. So you’re really talking about 1 in 5000 with Turner (who are female, although not normal) and I’m not sure how many with Klinefelter.

        2. Transtesticles.

      2. Nature isn’t perfect. There will be broken eggs, experimental throwaways.

        1. You realize you’re talking about people, not your 8th grade science fair project, right?

          1. Yes. And? I didn’t make them.

          2. Or do you think that male biology running with a female operating system is somehow functional, an evolutionary advancement?

            1. Are we talking about Serena Williams now? Because, if so, the answer is probably ‘yes”.

              1. Oh, any woman could inject herself with large amounts of testosterone like that.

          3. I’d like for you nto address the “people” issue which ZT raises. Are they people or not. Yes or no.

            1. Indeed they are people, Tonio.

              Now, can you clarify what this has to do with any of the issues being discussed? It seems to me there is always someone that uses lines like “You realize you’re talking about people, not your 8th grade science fair project, right?” as a diversion when they are losing an argument, or don’t like the direction of the discussion.

          4. Yes, but apparently Mother Nature did not get the memo. We are counting you to take care of it.

    4. If a company is accused of not hiring women, can they hire a man who claims to be a woman?

      “My sex is male, but my gender identity is woman”

        1. “a man who claims to be a woman”

          Petulant loser.

        2. Golf clap.

  3. Oh my god yes.

  4. IIRC, it also has a monologue saying that rape of an underage girl by an adult lesbian is the “good kind” of rape.

    1. I used to have a friend who was repeatedly raped as a young girl by her mother’s lesbian lover.

      She was a train wreck, an emotional basket case. Over the course of twenty years I watched her descend into madness and drug abuse until finally she ended her personal hell with suicide.

      The good kind, huh? Words cannot adequately describe the evil these people engage in.

      1. If I were running that place as the dread dictator, I’d replace the Vagina Monologues with a Slayer concert. Raining Blood would be the alpha and omega song.

        1. FEEDING ON THE SOULS OF THE DEMONS WE’VE CREATED

          Or is that a different Slayer song?

          1. That’s every Slayer song.

            1. Thank you, JEP, the perfect answer.

              (Throws accusatory look tarran’s way)

      2. Jesus.

      3. WTF

        1. .1% of the population are scary fucked up. That means in a country of 300,000,000 that the are 300,000 scary people roaming around at any time.

          Predators. Remorseless. Sociopathically uncaring of others.

          1. Never lessens the sickening effect from reading about some psychopath who rapes and murders an 11 month old.

          2. .1% of the population are scary fucked up. That means in a country of 300,000,000 that the are 300,000 scary people roaming around at any time.

            Predators. Remorseless. Sociopathically uncaring of others.

            Oh no. I can’t imagine that true sociopathy effects less than 10% of the people. Not to mention those turned into a sociopath by conditioning. I mean just think back to the number of people advocating strategic bombing et cetera, it’s a sort of soft sociopathy. Those people are okay with incinerating babies as long as they aren’t the ones to do it. .1% doesn’t even scratch the surface of the sociopaths that surround you everyday.

          3. “That means in a country of 300,000,000 that the are 300,000 scary people roaming around at any time.”

            And we keep electing them. Fascinating/.

          4. It’s called Congress.

      4. Suthenboy: Yikes. It reminds me of the big kerfuffle a while back, when it came out that beloved science fiction and fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley was actually a scary and sick child abuser.

    2. “In “The Little Coochie Snorcher that Could”, an underage girl (thirteen in earlier performances, sixteen in the revised version) recounts being given alcohol and then having sex with an adult woman; the incident is recalled fondly by the narrator, who in the original version of the play ends the monologue by saying “if it was rape, it was a good rape.” Her female abuser is portrayed positively as someone “rescuing” her from sexually abusive men of her past”

  5. Time for the Onion writers to hang up their hats. Reality has far surpassed them.

    1. ^^ This. Parody was just eclipsed by reality.

  6. I am absolutely loving this Ouroborotic pie eating contest that the SJWs are engaged in.

    1. Ouroborotic pie eating

      Get “SJW’s” latest album at all music outlets!

    2. I thought it was more of a human centipede thing.

    3. “I am absolutely loving this Ouroborotic pie eating contest that the SJWs are engaged in.”

      Yes.

      Their retarded logic of ‘inclusion’ ultimately requires them destroying “Women’s” Colleges, or even the traditional ‘Women’s Movement’ itself – because their notions of identity-politics are inherently contradictory. Every ‘celebration’ of one version of identity politics is an ‘assault’ on someone else’s = and so the left hand is constantly attacking the things the right hand is trying to Group-Hug.

      It is genuinely amusing.

    4. You’d have probably said something equally polite if a women-only college HAD staged The Vagina Monologues.

      1. Was something impolite about his comment?

        1. Mmmmm, “impolite” these days is what used to called “telling the truth”.

          Keep UP!

  7. Are there any women-only colleges left and how do they handle the “gender issue” with applicants?

    1. Mount Holyoke just changed its policy to allow trans women last year

      1. Elizabethe, if they dont have a vagina, they are not a woman. They are a man who likes lingerei. People should be free to like whatever they like. That however does not pbligate the rest of us to play pretend with them.

        And that does not even adress the lunacy of feminists on the one hand claiming gender is a social construct yet on the other claiming someone canbe born with a gender contrary to their anatomy or born with any gender for that matter.

        At this point why dont we insist on recognizes furries as what they claim to be? Come on Elizabeth who are to say I am not a cartoon mountain lion?

        1. I can start calling you a cartoon mountain lion from now on, if you like

          1. You are a lovely woman Elizabeth and i am sure you would. The rest of the world, however is not required to meet your high standards.

          2. “I can start calling you a cartoon mountain lion from now on, if you like”

            Please!the preferred nomenclature is, “Tri-gendered Pyrofox

        2. Come on Elizabeth who are [you] to say I am not a cartoon mountain lion

          That’s it John! Embrace your latent sexual identity!

            1. That works on so many levels.

        3. John just admitted being a furry! You all saw it!

          1. I still don’t get why Virginia Postrel loathes us so much.

            1. I think it’s all an act on her part. What’s not to love? Except for Nicole, of course. She’s the worst.

              1. Nicole is the only one who accepts. You leave her alone

                1. Aww, thanks John!

                2. Standing up for Nicole? Wow, John, you seem to want to be the worst too.

                  1. You leave John alone you big meanie! He accepts me the way I am!

                    1. Is it really a good thing to accept worstness?

                      I’m not even really sure what my own question means. This codeine might be making me goofy.

                    2. We all accept that you were born with a double vagina. This allows a vaginaless woman to claim it as hers (but in your possession) and attend that college. It’s sort of like vagina credits.

                    3. So are two women raped then at the frat party?

          2. Stop othering me Episoarch. You are such a big mean gay monster.

            1. I can’t help being the gayest monster since gay came to Gaytown, John. It’s just my nature. My gayture as it were.

        4. Elizabethe, if they dont have a vagina, they are not a woman.

          Hence the distinct term “trans-woman”. People exist with XX genetics and no vagina too.

          1. Fair enough. I wont deny dna. But i doubt these people have xx.

        5. You’ll have to explain to me how calling someone by the gender they want to be called in any way harms you, John.

          It doesn’t hurt anyone to be courteous. If someone was born a woman and wants to identify as a man, I’m happy to oblige them.

          1. It doesnt. But i am not under any obligation to do so It wouldnt harm me to call you Napoleon and end every conversation with “yes general”. That however doesnt mean I should or I am less of a person for not doing so.

          2. Explain how something hurts?

            Couldn’t John just say he *feels* hurt when pronouns are misused just like some men *feel* like women?

          3. It doesn’t hurt anyone to be courteous.

            Yes, be courteous and let that nice police officer into your house without a warrant. You have nothing to hide.

            Anyone who demands courtesy deserves none. There’s flaming assholes in this world. Start being courteous to them and the next thing they’ll argue about is your sincerity.

          4. Then the same should apply to those who think they are John Lennon, or who insist that Jodie Foster is in love with them. Accommodating delusions can be quite harmful. It is not being polite it is being an accomplice to madness.

        6. Since it’s a women-only college, you don’t get to play pretend theater policy director with them anyway.

          And criticizing all feminists as lunatic because some of them say some things and others say other things makes as much sense as criticizing all Libertarians because they disagree on important issues (besides being a f***ing neurotypicalist thing to say.)

          And on the internet, nobody knows you’re NOT a cartoon mountain lion.

          1. Who criticized all feminists? We are talking about these people. And they deserve nothing but scorn and ridecule. If dont like flees from these dogs, stop laying with them and start rediculing them.

            And no I dont run the college. That doesnt mean I cant call this what it is.

        7. If gender is a social construct, there’s nothing inconsistent about claiming there is variability with regards to anatomical sex.

          I don’t think there are many who will still call gender identity a social construct though. The only construct is in assigning certain “roles” as artificially belonging to one gender identity or another (cooking, cleaning, auto repair, etc).

          Anyone I’ve ever talked to has claimed their personal gender identity and sexual orientation are 100% immutable. The only people who are inconsistent are those who say their sexual characteristics are immutable, but those of certain other people address not.

      2. Out of curiosity, are they required to pass some form of purity test to verify their status as a trans woman? How do they weed out the guys who show up claiming to be a lesbian trans-woman?

        1. Patriarchy, homophobia, and high tuition pretty much weed out most straight dudes who might otherwise consider that.

          1. But just think of all the fun you could have at the pajama parties. They have those, right?

          2. The patriarchy thing proves that you are an idiot bill…fuck off, bill.

      3. If it attends and graduates as a trans woman and later decides it was all a mistake and it is really a man, does it have to give the diploma back?

    2. Just read an interesting article about that very subject.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10…..llege.html

    3. Smith. They have trans women there.

    4. Do they accept men claiming to be women? I know they accept women claiming to be men.

      1. Which you’d think would be denounced as “transphobic” but I haven’t heard anything about it.

  8. Shark.. jumped…

  9. How can you make a better joke then this story? It’s a prog plot to end H&R comments

  10. Ah yes, the play that sees nothing wrong with getting an under aged girl drunk and taking advantage of her sexually…so long as the perp is a woman.

    Good riddance indeed.

    1. Really? That’s in the play?

      1. Yup. It’s told in the first person by the girl. Some of the skits are good, some are just plain silly, but that one was disgusting. It’s been almost 10 years since I’ve seen it, so maybe they no longer include it.

        1. Wow. I have never seen it and never cared what was in it. But that is disgusting. What in the hell is wrong with people?

      2. From Wikipedia

        The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could, in which a woman recalls memories of traumatic sexual experiences in her childhood and a self-described “positive healing” sexual experience in her adolescent years with an older woman. This particular skit has sparked outrage, numerous controversies and criticisms due to its content, among which the most famous is the Robert Swope controversy (see below). In the original version, she is 13, but later versions changed her age to 16. It also originally included the line, “If it was rape, it was a good rape”, which was removed from later versions.

        1. In 2000, Robert Swope, a conservative contributor to a Georgetown University newspaper, The Hoya, wrote an article critical of the play.[16] He suggested there was a contradiction between the promotion of rape awareness on V-Day and the monologue “The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could”, in which an adult woman recalls being given alcohol and statutorily raped at 13 by a 24-year-old woman as a positive, healing experience, ending the segment with the proclamation “It was a good rape.” Swope also noted the double standards involved, asking “why is rape only wrong when a man commits it, but when it’s by a woman committed against another woman, who just happens to be 13-years-old, it is celebrated and a university club sponsors it?”[8] Outcry from the play’s supporters resulted in Swope’s being fired from the staff of The Hoya, before the piece was even run. Swope had previously criticized the play in an article he wrote entitled “Georgetown Women’s Center: Indispensable Asset or Improper Expenditure?” His termination received critical editorial coverage in The Wall Street Journal,[17] Salon,[18] National Review,[19] The Atlantic Monthly, The Washington Times, The Weekly Standard, and by Wendy McElroy of iFeminists.[20]

          Emphasis mine. Anyone want to take bets on what Salon would say today?

          1. To be fair, if a 24 year old woman had gotten me drunk and fucked me at age 13, I would have been pretty fucking psyched.

            1. That’s rape. You clearly would be a rapist if that happened.

              1. That’s rape. You clearly would be a rapist if that happened.

                You jest, but it is fact, at least sometimes. In the early days of PC in the 1980’s I wrote a research paper on exactly these themes. There was a case of statutory rape in Washington DC at the time – a 17 (only a month or two shy of 18) year old girl and her 13 year old boyfriend. They prosecuted the 13 year old boy as an adult for statutory rape and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. She was his first. He was not her first.

                So, reality is more bizarre than your joke.

            2. “Niiiiiccceeeeee.”

            3. When I was 16 a 25 year old woman didn’t have to get me drunk and it wasn’t rape.

              I was panting for it but scared to make the first move.

          2. “Emphasis mine. Anyone want to take bets on what Salon would say today?”

            Well, at the time they employed Camille Paglia, who wrote that article.

            I don’t think they’d hire Paglia today. She’s too much of a heretical badthinker.

          3. why is rape only wrong when a man commits it

            Because penises are EVIL.

            EVIL EVIL EVIL

          4. this kind of shot is why McCarthy was right.

            1. Shot, goddammit.

              1. Fuckimg iPad auto correct.

        2. I love how they just put the offensive parts down the memory hole. I guess we can start showing birth of a nation again if we just reshoot the Klan Parts.

          1. A little photoshop and the fiendish black union soldier foaming at the mouth as he pursues the white girl becomes a gentle black man helping her find her missing kitten.

          2. That’s just it, they didn’t put it down the memory hole. They changed the girl from 13 to 16 and got rid of the rape line but it’s still an example of getting a girl drunk and then taking advantage of her (at any age of 16 no less). I think I heard about other places on college campuses where that sort of thing is supposedly glorified (with legal adults, at least). I’m sure the VM fans are cool with that, too. Right?

            1. There is a horrible under current of that kind of thing in a lot of gay culture both male and female. And feminists help that along with the idea that homosexual statutory rape is not really rape.

            2. You’re not adept at ProgThink, LynchPin1477. It goes something like this:

              “Just as blacks cannot be racist because they don’t have power, lesbians cannot be rapists because rape is an expression of the power of the patriarchy, and lesbians are an oppressed minority without power. Therefore, it wasn’t rape.”

          3. And ruin the best scenes?

  11. This insanity was always at the end of the road the SJWs took. It is the logical outcome of their cognitive dissonance. There is an Iron Law that applies here.

  12. And now, in the name of feminism, “female-validating talk about vaginas is now forbidden,” as one anonymous writer on a Mount Holyoke messageboard put it. “That’s so misogynistic under the guise of ‘progress.'”

    It’s the natural and inevitable end-state. It’s the…whatever you call this type of thinking…eating itself. And not a moment too soon.

    1. “That’s so misogynistic under the guise of ‘progress.'”

      When SJWs and Feminists do evil, it was because they were possessed by the Spirit of the Patriarchy.

    2. So these snowflakes will be the spouses of some captains of modern day industry.

      Lmao, these dolts are unable tie their own shoes, as far as threats to liberty these people are too stupid do so. That is a good thing.

  13. More news from Holyoke Hell:

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6117

    Seriously, Progressive World looks just like a fascist hell. I wonder why that is?

    1. i’m not sure i find ‘conservative journalists’ crying foul over repression by progs as appealing as watching progs tear each other apart.

      Particularly when they elevate ‘letter taped to a dorm room door’ to some kind of ‘newsworthy event’.

      There’s an element to the culture-wars where each side ultimately resorts to identical tactics of playing the ‘victim’

      I resent the tactic itself – not just the people who use for whatever purpose.

      Of course that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with drawing attention to attempts at speech-repression

      Its just that it comes off much like this

  14. Ok, these words

    …Excludes Women Without Vaginas

    blow my mind, such as it is.

  15. I wonder if they have any women with penises enrolled in the school?

    1. True story: back in the 90s there was some lesbian convention somewhere around where I live, and some transsexual men attempted to attend. The whole thing erupted into a women’s empowerment protest with about three thousand lesbians shouting “no penises on the land!”

      1. Michigan

        1. And it wasn’t about transsexual men. It was about a lesbian couple who brought their baby boy. They made them leave.

          1. Mmmm, that may be a separate event. This was as told to me by a militant lesbian who attended.

          2. That is one of the worst things i have ever heard Those people are sick

      2. This war has been going on at least since the 70’s. The West Coast Lesbian Conference split up when a transexual folksinger was scheduled to perform.

        1. I didn’t know “The World According to Garp” was non fiction.

        2. I didn’t know “The World According to Garp” was non fiction.

          1. Indeed.

            That very same transexual man (Beth Elliot) split San Francisco Daughters of Bilitis chapter four years prior.

            In “social justice” years, this is an ancient war.

      3. You’ll find plenty of discussion on the net about Trans-Excluding Radical Feminists, and whether TERFs are evil or necessary or both.

        1. “You’ll find plenty of discussion on the net about Trans-Excluding Radical Feminists”

          That presumes anyone plans to go looking for it.

        2. I liked the “Westboro Baptist Church of Feminism” moniker. It sells the TERFs a bit short though.

        3. That you even consider this as a serious post informs us that you are a fucking dolt, bill.

      4. “no penises on the land!”

        That is so freakin awesome.

    2. Is being a woman with a penis something you just claim, or is there some kind of test?

      I don’t know how long I could keep up the front (probably 15 minutes), but 20yr old me would have sure liked to try to be the girl with the penis living in the Holyoke dorm.

      1. It’s something you claim.

        1. You can just claim, but there is some neurobiology research backing it up.

          1. Well, mental illnesses often have neurological components.

      2. Could I be a bisexual no-op trans-woman and still get in?

  16. I remember textbooks, typically foreign language texts for some reason, that seemed to have a diversity requirement for every picture. There had to be a mix of black people, hispanic people, whitish people, asian people, people in wheel chairs, people on crutches, people in iron lungs, old people, young people, etc

  17. Is it wrong to snicker while the progressives literally tear each other to pieces?

    1. From a strategic standpoint, we should be doing everything we can to encourage it.

    2. It was inevitable. You can’t have a worldview based solely on competing identities, the inevitable clashes will eventually tear that worldview apart. That’s the problem with having a philosophy based on literally the opposite of logic, reason, and reality.

      1. You write progressives so well, how do you do it?

        “I think of a libertarian, and I remove reason and accountability…”

      2. Their identity is based totally on not being some enemy. Eventually the run off all of the enemies and turn on each other. How is a feminist at Holy Oak supposed to show how couragous she is? She has to have an enemy. And after all of the old ones are gone, she just finds a new one. Eventually the bell will toll for you and you will be out of the hive. It is just a matter of time.

        1. Holy oak? That’s fucking awesome.

    3. Not at all, it’s phucking phunny and the tears are a plus.

  18. …its title, “A Night of a Thousand Vaginas,” which some argued was hurtful to trans individuals.

    Our species is doomed.

    1. Considering that this was for an abortion provider, and not about ‘women’ per se, this is really missing the point.

      The one critical prerequisite for having an abortion is having a vagina, isn’t it?

      1. I recall reading something last year about an abortion provider that had decided to stop calling its customers “women” so as to not offend the trans.

    2. No, because the people who think that way tend not to reproduce much.

    3. There’s hope.

      Maybe *their* species is doomed. SJWs may eat their own until none are left.

  19. Don’t care

  20. Women Without Vaginas

    So like Doctors Without Borders?

    1. More like Doctors Without Medical Training?

    2. Weren’t they a NYC punk band circa 1979?

      1. A really bad one.

  21. Let the proggie, professionally-butthurt victimhood wallowers disenfranchise each other; makes a great show. I’ll get the popcorn.

    I wish their parents would have raised Millenials to realize It’s Not All About You. Media/entertainment that does not discuss X is not X-phobic. Maybe it just isn’t about you and your particular speshl little fucktupery.

    Also, note to trannies and other circus freaks. And blacks. And Latinos. And any other so-called “oppressed minority group”: Tired of seeing movies/plays/books/shows that don’t represent you enough? Here’s a thought: how about you make your own shows? Why do mainstream white folks with all their giblets in the right place need to make your entertainment for you? Why does Eve Ensler, insufferable twat that she is, need to include a bunch of fat, hairy he-shes in her play?

    Oh, those minorities, always bitching about how tired they are of white, cisgendered, hetero, normal people speaking on your behalf. Then they bitch even louder if white normals do as they demand, and stop speaking on their behalf. Cognitive dissonance should be terminal.

      1. You probably do have a dick, Susan. It’s probably just busy right now being in your landlord’s ass, because you’re behind on your rent.

        1. That’s seriously the best you can come up with?

          1. Says the woman–er…technically humanoid thing–who went to YouTube to find its invective. Originality: apparently not as much your thing as hormone therapy.

            1. Sweet Jeebus, I made the mistake of browsing SusanM’s blog. She does have a cute post explaining that she will delete comments that don’t add anything to the conversation; upon inspection, however, her posts don’t have any comments at all. Massive deletions of unproductive content or unread blog?

  22. The problem is, these fanatics won’t cancel each other out, they will keep trying to out-crazy each other as the public sphere is dragged down into gibbering madness.

    1. You are right on the money, and that was the point of it all along.

      Everyone should go back and watch Yuir Bezmenov’s interview about Demoralization.

  23. This is the greatest story I have ever read. It’s got absolutely everything.

    Unfortunately, learning that even the Vagina Monologues isn’t inclusive enough kind of puts the kibosh on my long-planned one-man show, Irish Presents the Cock Chronicles.

    Except since I’m not a horrible human being like the writer of the Vagina Monologues, my gender-centric play wouldn’t lovingly describe the pedophilic lesbian rape of a 13-year old.*

    *This actually happens in the Vagina Monologues.

  24. The older I get, the more often “Just kill ’em all and let god sort ’em out” occurs to me as an appropriate response.

    1. I used to work with an old Nazi who was in hiding in Mexico. If you mentioned communists to him his bald head would turn bright red, he would grit his teeth, bang his fists and spit would fly while he raged…”Dere iss only vone vay to deal vith dem!”. He would then make a finger gun and point it at you.

      I never told him that is the way to deal with Nazi’s too, but I think he knew that already.

      1. Tangentially related. There is a bar in Vieux Carre that was opened by a German immigrant named Otto who arrived in New Orleans in the early 1950s. One night we were all sitting around and the subject of high-school prom came up. Everyone started sharing prom stories and someone thought to ask Otto what his prom was like. This was his reply – “Prom? Prom? When I was 16, we were marching across Poland”.

      2. Seriously? Tell us more. It sounds like something from a Mel Brooks movie.

    2. Progressives belong face down in landfills.

  25. Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions,

    Gender is an anatomical and thus biological, distinction, you feminist twat.

    1. No, that’s sex. They may be entirely coincident, but they are distinct concepts. Things other than biological creatures can have gender. Some languages assign gender to inanimate objects and concepts.

      1. “Gender” is a grammatical term. How it became a synonym for “sex” is anyone’s guess.

        1. It’s not just that it’s being used as a synonym, it’s actually being used as the preferred word, as if “sex” were offensive. So “gender” seems to be a euphemism.

          1. So is a butch lesbian woman not really a woman but a man? Am I, a straight male, a butch lesbian woman? The definition of “what’s in your head” is meaningless. Feminists have long argued that “woman” shouldn’t be defined as how she dresses or how she acts, so what is a woman defined as? Is it not logical to define them as persons having vaginas who are born with XX chromosomes?

      2. Except transsexual advocates have a tendency to mix those concepts up when it is convenient for them. Such as a male to female transsexual attempting to compete in sports as a female. The reason why male and females compete in different classes are due to physiological differences between the sexes, but the advocates argue like those are differences in gender.

  26. Wasn’t the point of the Vagina Monologues sort of to be exclusive all along? It’s called “The Vagina Monologues”. Of course it is about people with vaginas.

  27. Women’s College Cancels ‘Vagina Monologues’ Because It Excludes Women Without Vaginas

    As gender is contingent on one’s chromosomal composition, I am not really sure what to make of this. Does it “exclude” MEN since (if?) they do not have vagina’s? Also, the gender gymnastics being played by the professionally aggrieved these days is damaging my calm.

    1. Sex is a product of genes, gender is a social construct that by sheer coincidence and for no good reason whatsoever almost always maps directly to a single sex.

      You’ve just revealed yourself as a thoughtcriminal, so you’d better use that passport before they cancel it.

      1. for no good reason whatsoever the structure of beings with XX chromosomes are not competitive in terms of strength with those with XY chromosomes .This greatly influences their roles in scoety.

  28. I long for the day when the vagina is seen and not heard.

    1. Not a fan of queefing, then?

      1. Dude, seriously, eewww.

      2. This is why we cant have nice things and why Postrel hates us and Elizabeth is polishing her resume already.

  29. In is impossible that this isn’t a joke. Isn’t it?

  30. https://www.mtholyoke.edu/sfs/cost

    Is that $55k for a full year for just a semester? This is advertised as a “woman’s college” so vaginae (thanks spell check) would seem to come to into play as part of the admissions process.

  31. In a world with true equality a big lawsuit would force entry of my penis into the vagina; college.

  32. First, let me say that I’m totally in favor of trans acceptance.

    With that said, I do wonder when we’ll see some frat dude stating that she identifies as a lesbian woman and wants to move into the womens dorm, use the showers, etc.

    1. That is just it. Why couldnt they? And it wont be some frat dude. It will some middle aged guy in a skirt. How do they tell him no? And the women who dont like showering amd living with a middle aged guy in lipstick and a skirt are just out of luck

      1. You don’t even need lipstick and a skirt. You could keep everything else the same and just identify as a woman, full stop.

        You probably couldn’t play women’s sports under those conditions, but if you wanted to attend Hillsdale, I’m not sure what basis they would identify to stop you.

        (Again, not to belittle the real issues trans folks face – I’m sure we’ll evolve some social structures that accommodate, but right now things are interesting.)

        1. Sports might provide some real comic relief. Whole teams of dudes who identify as women. Some college aught to take Title IX to court on the basis that the football team IS representative of women, because several of the players identify as such.

          This should totally be the response of any entity that is accused of having disproportionate representation. “The CEO of our multi-billion dollar corporation identifies as a black crippled lesbian, even though he is a straight white dude.

    2. Already happening.

      1. At some point there is going to be a backlash and it is going to be nasty.

        1. Or erotic.

          1. Or porno phun-o-graphic.

  33. April Fool’s Day articles are going to be really hard to think up this year.

  34. So perform “Vagina Monologues”, immediately followed by “Puppetry of the Penis.”

    Problem solved.

    1. The Moob Monologue.

    2. Barbie and Ken would still protest.

  35. Marx’s class struggle has been franchised! Now everybody can have their own.

  36. Does anyone even know what -phobic means anymore?

    1. Sensitive to sunlight?

      1. That’s photosensitive.

    2. It is a propaganda term of art used when someone opposes or does not validate the speaker’s ideology.

  37. My vagina has a first name,
    It’s M-I-N-G-E

  38. Since no play could possibly include everything, that means all plays are bad. If the play includes a dog, it’s unfair to people who have no dogs. If it doesn’t include a dog, it’s unfair to dogs, and to people who have dogs.

  39. Noteworthy in this entire kerfuffle =

    The cancellation and re-working of the VM*-production seems to be prompted entirely without any actual complaint/comment/input from the actual ‘Transfolk’ whose vulnerable sensitivities were in danger of being threatened.

    IOW = there was no grassroots demand for change by any ‘threatened’ or ‘offended’ group

    The insistence that the work was “Not Inclusive” enough was a unilateral decision by the ‘theater board’. Apparently they consulted their Magic 8-ball of Political Correctness and found their current VM production ‘problematic’, even though it seems no one else had actually ever bothered to suggest that to them.

    The point here is that the contemporary frothing over “safe spaces” and “inclusiveness” is actually driven almost entirely by a very narrow group of people =

    Young, Female, Upper Middle-Class Left Wingers
    (aka = “Social Justice Warriors”)

    in related news = Young White Woman Outraged by Excessive-Whitey @ the Academy Awards = fortunately is able to find a half dozen tweets by actual black people to validate her own sense of injustice.

    before you suggest, “hey, a bunch of people tweeting about something isn’t like, *news* or anything” = fear not – they HAVE A HASHTAG #OscarsSoWhite

    1. Had planned to pick up a box of kerfuffles at the bakery this morning before being informed they don’t make any pastries by that name.

    2. I have a lot of free time. I ensure that this is so. So I have time to wonder about the circumstances that would lead to the least diverse Oscars in memory in the year 2015. Could be a huge coincidence, could be something else. Interesting question.

      I can’t even fathom the amount of free time one must have access to in order to entertain grievances about the grievance.

      1. What grievance?

        #TonyTimeIsSpecialTime

      2. Welfare is good to you, eh comrade?

    3. Why should a white person be offended by too many white people in the Oscars?

    4. Young, Female, Upper Middle-Class Left Wingers
      (aka = “Social Justice Warriors”)

      AKA
      Douchebags

    5. “Noteworthy in this entire kerfuffle…”

      How is this a kerfuffle? A theatre board decides not to stage a particular play. Surely this is within their purview.

  40. This is hilarious, but inevitable.

  41. It seems like the simple solution is rebrand themselves as a female’s college instead of a women’s college.

  42. They have a point. Celebrating the vagina is pretty much contrary to the idea that sex is a matter of personal definition and contrary to the political spirit of the piece. It’s nothing to be upset about though. If you are upset about the existence of transgender people, you don’t have any choice but to get over it, so your anxiety is your own problem to deal with.

    It is however difficult to reconcile the progressive idea that we choose our own identity with the progressive idea that we are born with a certain identity and shouldn’t be made second-class because of it. The only real way to do it is to apply libertarianism, indeed. Live and let live. Let no one be second-class because of how he or she was born, and let people choose their own identities, and let private people argue however much they want about whether this or that play is offensive. Libertopia. It could be achieved without government effort if only people achieved the -topia part with respect to their ability to be tolerant and open-minded.

    1. You have a real knack at stringing words together and still saying absolutely nothing.

    2. Fuckin’ transtesticles!

    3. Also, sex isn’t a matter of choice, you insane bitch. It’s biology. Does being a retarded fucking prog completely divorce you from all science?

      1. Yeah, but that’s not what liberals believe. They think it’s entirely a choice and that any sort of differentiation between sexes is imposed on children

        And that viewpoint is what they they are imposing on the rest of society. Rather successfully.

        1. So apparently, sex is a choice, but sexual orientation is not.

        2. It must be so difficult for you.

  43. an extremely narrow perspective on what it means to be a woman

    Yes, extremely narrow. Associating the vagina with being a woman is an extremely narrow perspective.

    This is great stuff.

    1. Hopefully the vagina Is still fairly barrow too.

      1. Wheelbarrow race is your favorite position?

    2. Well, that’s exactly the point. To progressives/feminists, it doesn’t matter if you have a vagina, penis, flower petals, nothing at all, as long as you identify as a woman, you are a woman. Nothing else matters.

      And it doesn’t stop with gender. It extends to race. Some people think they are truly black, or Korean, or something they weren’t born as.

      And if that weren’t enough, lots of people identify as animals or fictional beings like elves.

      Never mind that’s completely insane, if you don’t go along with it, you’re racist/sexist/etc.

      South Park did an episode on this years ago, where Kyle becomes black and his father becomes a dolphin. I thought they were just being silly. But it’s true.

    3. doesn’t that narrow thing depend on the vagina in question?

  44. I’m not sure what the issue is here. But I still know, somehow, it’s men’s fault.

    1. Well, yeah. According to liberals/feminists and so forth, gender is imposed on humanity by the patriachy. And toy companies. Children would be entirely identical if not for that.

      Crazy? Maybe, but it’s the future of Western society. You’re already seeing it in some Scandinavian countries….you see it on Facebook. On some dating sites. In video games, RPGs, comics.

  45. Yet I am a woman with a vagina, and this becomes an area of my concern when people start saying that I shouldn’t reference or acknowlege that

    Are you sure? Maybe your vagina is merely a cultural construct and convention. Maybe you simply need to liberate your thinking from the narrow premises imposed on you by the patriarchy and you will discover that you never had a vagina at all. /sarc

  46. Lot of fucking trouble for them transtesticles. So what is it? Every day, heads you like hairpie or tails, and it’s balls across the nose! Ohhhh!

  47. Satire is dead, buried, then dug up and shot.

  48. So now all TV shows and movies must be banned because almost none of them include a character who is contemplating or has undergone a “gender reassignment” operation and/or who was born with mucked up genetics causing gential malformation, or a woman who has had a total hysterectomy.

    Absurd? Well, that’s the “logic” of Mount Holyoke College as they’ve applied it to this stage show.

  49. Is Not is not Not Is
    Not Is is not Is Not

    IIRC that’s from an A.E. Van Vogt story.

  50. I always wondered how fast colleges would get hit with the “trigger warning” hammer if they had a show called the Penis Monologues with huge posters with large, phallic objects.

    I guess I can’t use that counterargument anymore, since the Vagina Monologues are now also sexist and repressive.

    Shit.

  51. “…but that doesn’t make a show without those perspectives transphobic.”

    Yes, it does.

    Unless referring to clinical meaning “-phobic” is a propaganda term of art meaning that the accused opposes or at least has not validated the speaker’s ideology. It is an emotional and irrational argument that signals the death of reason in a debate.

    1. Yep. No matter what they pretend, these labels aren’t used to start a conversation, but rather to end one. Much like the concept of privilege, it’s a label used to silence dissent or criticism with the implicit statement that opposing that label proves it right. That is to say, arguing that something contested is not transphobic is, itself, transphobia.

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  54. So we’ve gone from, “We’re doing the Vagina Monologues and we don’t care if it offends anyone!” to “We can’t do the Vagina Monologues because some people might find it offensive.” They do realize, the just made a circle, right?

    1. Sometimes they care about offense, sometimes they don’t.

      Offending heterosexual white men. Fantastic.

      For anyone else, it depends on where the offender stands on the Offense Privilege Hierarchy relative to the offendee.

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  57. Yawn. I’m so ready for this trans gender bullshit to blow over.

  58. “Replacing the play will be Mount Holyoke’s own version that will be trans-inclusive and fix the “problems” supposedly perpetuated by Ensler. Murphy also claims that there are problems with race, class, and “other identities” within the play.

    The new production, comprised of students’ monologues, will be performed in a fashion reminiscent of the feminist classic. The program will be performed alongside the College’s Peer Health Educators, an on-campus student-led group that provides education and workshops for students, including a workshop on how to use sex toys properly.”

    That’s a quote from the email. I feel like people are reading this article and understanding what’s going on as censorship, but instead it’s creative changes to make the show more about varied experiences.

    They’re perorming a different play that’s just not “The Vagina Monologues” because they wanted to change it and the producer said absolutely not. It’s more inclusive.

    Everyone here seems so offended that they’d think about other people and do something else. They *were not* banned from performing the Vagina Monologues.

    1. including a workshop on how to use sex toys properly.

      I can only imagine that they’re either showing instructional dildo snuff films or unfairly excluding some ‘gender’.

  59. I must admit I laugh at a school that discriminates based on sex for attendance having an issue with discriminating based on gender in a play.

    I guess if I’m a lesbian with a penis they should admit me immediately to avoid hurting my feelings.

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  61. In a school-wide email from Mount Holyoke’s student-theater board, relayed by Campus Reform, student Erin Murphy explained that “at its core, the show offers an extremely narrow perspective on what it means to be a woman … Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions, and many of us who have participated in the show have grown increasingly uncomfortable presenting material that is inherently reductionist and exclusive.”

    Where did she get that idea?

  62. i feel bad for “the onion”.

    with stuff like this going on in real life, what is there to satirize?

  63. A phobia is an irrational fear. Not including someone does not indicate in any way an irrational fear. Not liking someone does not indicate an irrational fear.
    Where are those that tremble with fear as the legions of transgendered descend?

  64. The dumbing down of college. I do hope those responsible for this ban never graduate. They are simply not thoughtful enough to claim a degree in anything. If the ban comes only from within the administration. . . Those responsible might just resign. The world would be a safer haven for mankind, and womenkind and tyrannykind . . If we must. . .

  65. So since only 99.9% of women have a vagina, the Vagina Monologues are not inclusive enough? Like the author, I have no issue with transgender people (my sister, who has passed away, was trans). I do have an issue with ignoring the 99.9% in favor of the 0.1%. I have an issue with the self-absorbed nature of college-age social justice warriors (SJW). In most of the world, having a vagina makes you a woman. If soldiers come to your village in East Congo, you can’t get out of being raped by stating that you’re actually a man with a vagina.

    SJWs are so focused on “microagressions” and “privilege” that they ignore the actual aggression done to women in the world and that fact that they are among the most privileged in the world. I’ve never liked the Vagina Monologues but I did appreciate that they often spotlighted an international problem, such as rape in the Congo.

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  68. Just because I feel like and believe I am a fluffy bunny, does not make me a fluffy bunny. If I choose to put on a bunny costume and hop down the street, its not hurting anyone, but how many people would celebrate it and call me brave? How many people wouldn’t try to help me? These people have a brain disorder. They are mentally ill and to ignore that without trying to help them is maliciously neglectful.

  69. The Rectum Monologues. That’s pretty inclusive, right?

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  71. I don’t care who sleeps with who or who gets married to who but I draw the line in sand when it comes to having a vagina, if you don’t have one you are not a woman, period. If you have a penis you are a man. Liberals can say it all they want but biology does not lie and you cannot have your own facts, they are called illusions or delusions.

  72. LMAO…or LMDO…ahahahahahahahaahahaha

  73. Eloquently written piece. But why not take it to the next level? The whole problem is in caring what other people think. Get free of that and then see what’s true, what’s important, what’s valuable, what makes a difference. Sure there is power operating in society and some have more power than others, but those with more power are not necessarily happier. Most people in developed countries have enough power to find what truly matters and to inform the others about it. You will see that everybody is in the same swamp of illusion.

  74. “Approbation” does not equal “reprobation.”

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