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NYPD Cop Shot in Bronx Not Happy Mayor Visited Him in Hospital. That's OK.

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Bronx, Sunday night
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Late last night, two plainclothes officers in the Bronx were shot while responding to a robbery call. Both sustained non-life-threatening injuries and were taken to the hospital. There they were visited by Mayor Bill de Blasio (D). According to the father of one cop, the visit by the city's chief executive was not well received. The New York Post reports:

"He wasn't too happy about the mayor's visit," Dossi's dad, Joe, told The Post at the family's home in Rockland County.

"He (Dossi) deals with some crappy people every day and getting no support (from the mayor), come on. These are the guys in the trenches dealing with anything and everything."

The refrain that New York City cops are getting "no support" from de Blasio is popular but wrong. Prior to the murder of two cops in Brookyln last month, de Blasio's "embrace" of police reform protestors was limited to talking to a few of them, acknowledging some people were frustrated with the grand jury decision not to indict Officer Daniel Pantaleo over the death of Eric Garner, and telling the press he's talked to his biracial son about the potential dangers police may pose. It ought to be fairly uncontroversial stuff.

I'm no fan of Bill de Blasio; nevertheless, as the city's political leader, it's not out of the ordinary for him to try to be "everyone's mayor." Totally ignoring significant police reform protests and the tensions between marginalized communities and the police department would be as bizarre as condemning the entire police department. De Blasio has done none of that.

In fact, after the death of Eric Garner in a police interaction that began over the alleged sale of loose, untaxed cigarettes—the specific crime Pantaleo and the other officers involved in Garner's fatal arrest were ordered to enforce that day—de Blasio emphatically said he would continue to support the kind of "broken windows" policing that puts people like Garner, who had a history of selling loose, untaxed cigarettes, in the crosshairs of the police department.

On the balance, de Blasio is hardly "anti-police," or even a supporter of police reform. Since the murder of two police officers in Brooklyn last month, the NYPD has seen a staggering decline in low-level arrests and enforcement not ordered by city hall. Violent crime is down 5 percent so far this year vs. the start of 2014.

New York City police officers enjoy wide latitude on their actions as they relate to their employment status. They can't be fired for turning their back on the mayor or telling the press he's against them, and probably for good reason. But neither can Pantaleo be terminated merely because he put someone in a fatal, illegal chokehold. And the rookie cop who panicked and fatally shot Akai Gurley while patrolling a housing project stairwell can't be fired merely for causing someone's death. He texted his union representative first because he enjoys union protections that prevent homicide from being a sufficient reason to fire a cop. A cop can't be summarily terminated just because he killed someone while on-duty, even if the victim is unarmed or committing no crime at all.

Some liberals are incensed that New York City police officers are being so "insubordinate." The New York Times was upset that cops aren't enforcing laws that disproportionately bring minorities into unnecessary contact with law enforcement. Others understand the wider implication for labor unions, and specifically public unions. Police officers, like other government employees, can use the interruption of public services as a negotiating tactic, something even Franklin Roosevelt understood.

Police officers are ordered to enforce an increasing amount of laws imposed on inherently consensual, non-violent behavior. The NYPD's "work stoppage" includes only making arrests when "necessary." The steep drop in petty law enforcement did not come with a steep rise in real crimes. All those extra police interactions tend to affect poor and marginalized communities, the kinds of places those nanny state laws hope to "nudge" in the right direction. Coupled with the lack of accountability for police officers who kill in questionable circumstances while on duty and those who use excessive force that doesn't end in death, this all contributes to the perception that some lives don't matter.

Because they are entrusted with powers that can destroy the lives of people, police officers shouldn't enjoy job protections secured through collective bargaining. And though it may be difficult for some supporters of police reform to stomach, other government employees have powers that can destroy the lives of people too, because government and the "social contract" that underlies it demands compliance. For that reason government employees should not be granted by the government they work for "rights" that privilege their employment protections over the rights of the people, rights upon which their jobs can allow them to infringe. It shouldn't be necessary to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a cop has committed a crime to terminate him.

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  1. “These are the guys in the trenches dealing with anything and everything.”

    Now remember, the cops clearly don’t view themselves as a occupying military force or anything.

    1. “Trenches” are so early 20th Century

      1. Cops, always fighting the last war from three or four wars ago…

        1. “These are the guys in the trenches kicking down doors & going house to house dealing with anything and everything”
          Happy?

            1. Saving Patrolman Ryan.

  2. getting no support

    What, like getting visited in the hospital after you’re shot on the job?
    Seriously, fuck these tone-deaf ‘heroes’

    1. Sure the Mayor visited, but he didn’t give the cop a back rub or a horsey-ride.

    2. No, you see “support” means absolute approval and encouragement of everything any cop does ever. Anything short of that means you want to murder police.

    3. Puh-leeze.

      If a shit-bag like de Blasio showed up in my room for a “photo-op”, I’d beat him over the head with my IV stand.

      1. Hey, way to setup a lose-lose situation. The mayor doesn’t visit – whine; the mayor does visit – whine. Typical crybully mentality.

        1. Was he invited? Did he show up by himself- or w/ an entourage that included three staffers and 4 photogarphers?

          Did the officer even get paid for deBlasio forcibly copsucking him on film?

  3. “They can’t be fired for turning their back on the mayor or telling the press he’s against them, and probably for good reason.”

    Well, speaking to the press while off duty may be a 1st amendment thing, but turning your back on your employer while on duty?

    Why should cops be able to do the kind of stuff on the job which would get Joe Six-Pack fired?

    1. Dude, they can kill innocent people with no employment consequences…getting to “you can’t turn your back on the mayor” having consequences is 200-300 years away.

      1. They’re allowed to kill innocent common people with no employment consequences. But disrespecting the aristocracy, that’s another matter entirely.

    2. IIRC, we’ve seen plenty of instances of people getting fired for such things as writing letters to the editor, etc. It’s legal.

  4. Is it bad that I am enjoying this? I hard to think of a group of people who deserve one another more than DiBlasio and the NYPD. Both sides absolutely suck. The more vicious and nasty this gets, the more enjoyable it seems to be.

    1. I’m just hoping this continues for a while and the cops continue to refuse to “do their jobs”. That seems like a win/win for everyone.

      1. Yeah, the upshot of the cops no longer robbing people to fill the city treasury is pretty awesome too. I am not sure how this could get any better.

        1. I am not sure how this could get any better.

          Lap dances.

          1. If the average cop is giving you a lap dance, aren’t you risking some serious damage (both mental and physical)?

          2. I guess you missed the study that stated law enforcement is the most obese profession in America (followed closely by fire fighters). Do you really want a lap dance from a Chris Christy-esque officer?

            1. I did not mean to imply in any way that the lap dances would be performed by cops.

    2. If its bad to enjoy this, I don’t wanna be good.

    3. Is it bad that I am enjoying this?

      Absolutely not.

    4. Here in NYC, yes, I am enjoying it.

  5. These cops have actually managed to make me sympathetic to De Blasio. Never thought that possible.

    1. Yep. I hate de Blasio, but the cops are acting like such babies it’s embarrassing.

    2. I am not sympathetic to him. The cops are spoiled babies, but De Blasio is a rate mongering asshole. They deserve one another.

      1. A race mongering one, too. 🙂

  6. The refrain that New York City cops are getting “no support” from de Blasio is popular but wrong.

    Anything less than mindless devotion is basically a hate crime.

  7. The problem with what Mayor Sandanista said(this time) was that he went full progtard and blamed all cop problems on racism. He didn’t say “maybe we shouldn’t criminalize so many things” or “we should re-evaluate procedures” or “maybe we should stop fucking with every part of peoples’ lives”. Basically he said that the only reason cops in his city choke people to death or shoot randomly is because the honkies hate the darkies.

    1. He can’t do that. The whole thing is nothing but New York Progressives doing and saying anything to avoid the truth that the laws they support have horrific and disproportionate affects on minorities. When most of your sense of self worth and moral superiority is based on the rock solid belief that only you and others who think like you are not racist and everyone else is, that is a pretty brutal truth to have to face. And progs will do anything to avoid facing it.

      1. Or they will “admit” to being racist, so then they’re surprised that others are offended at being called racist. “I’m just saying to you what I’m willing to admit to myself!”

        Yeah, and I suppose that so long as if I’m willing to break a beer bottle over my own head, then I’m entitled to break it over a prog’s head.

      2. True, but he could’ve avoided the whole problem by giving some misguided speech about “reviewing procedures” full of meaningless rhetoric. But he just couldn’t help himself. He had to signal his race cred, its almost like a reflex with these people.

    2. Blasio’s confrontational style was bound to get him in trouble. And the guy looks like some sort of angry mob boss.

      If the two officers were killed by ISIS members without documentation, would he ONLY loudly condemn the Islamic state and our broken immigration system? And pay only lip service on “not hurting Muslim Americans out of anger?”

      Would he boycott Ramadan or the Christmas tree ceremony to protest America’s military actions against ISIS? What a few malcontents in the mostly peaceful protesters chanted “Kill all Muslims?”

      The NY Mayor is a loser, and will surely support many bad policies that involve police / state involvement. The protesters won’t embrace any actual reform, so they already lost. By Valentine’s Day or St Patrick’s Day, this will be largely forgotten.

    3. Very well said, antisocial-ist.

      That’s been a point I’ve raised for a while, now. DeBlasio handled this matter in the worst way possible, both from a perspective of encouraging reform and from a perspective of relations with the police. The fact is that there’s little evidence that this is being driven by racism. And calling the cops a bunch of racists is a good way to piss them off and set yourself up for being ignored with regard to reform.

    4. Not really. He told his dark-skinned son to watch out for cops. That’s good advice. Not because all of the problems with the NYPD are due to racism, but profiling is real (and arguably rational) and so a danger for him.

      1. If you think the mayor’s (or any prominent politician’s) son needs to watch out for the cops (other than them getting dirt on him), you’re a fool.

  8. “He (Dossi) deals with some crappy people every day…

    Yep. The citizens = crappy people. Who says that the cops view the public as enemies?

    …and getting no support (from the mayor), come on.

    Except for paying them, supporting them getting the latest in military toys, ever expanding powers to harass and intimidate citizens, no support whatsoever.

    These are the guys in the trenches dealing with anything and everything.”

    Well, well. A cop who doesn’t like the job he’s paid to do is welcome to go do something nice and safe like be a truck driver…oh wait, truck drivers die on the job twice as often as cops.

    Looks like joining the Warrior Caste is actually safer than producing something of value.

  9. Please cite the law (federal, state or city) that criminalizes the act of applying a so-called chokehold to someone being detained/arrested.

    Hint: you won’t. It’s against NYPD policy but isn’t illegal. But that’s OK, don’t let the actual wording of the law get into the way of your trying to make a point.

    1. All right, who lit the signal?!?

        1. Dunphinator 2: Rise of the Copsuckers.

    2. S 125.10 Criminally negligent homicide.
      A person is guilty of criminally negligent homicide when, with
      criminal negligence, he causes the death of another person.

      S 15.05 Culpability; definitions of culpable mental states.

      4. “Criminal negligence.” A person acts with criminal negligence with
      respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining
      an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable
      risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The
      risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it
      constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a
      reasonable person would observe in the situation.

      1. Oh you… and your citations…

        1. I know, it’s adorable…

          1. Trolls are like whetstones to me.

      2. Interestingly…

        S 125.11 Aggravated criminally negligent homicide.
        A person is guilty of aggravated criminally negligent homicide when,
        with criminal negligence, he or she causes the death of a police officer
        or peace officer where such officer was in the course of performing his
        or her official duties and the defendant knew or reasonably should have
        known that such victim was a police officer or peace officer.
        Aggravated criminally negligent homicide is a class C felony.

        But don’t for one second believe anyone who tells you there are two sets of laws, one for the cops, and one for the rest of us.

      3. And even if you don’t believe his actions were criminal, you readily admit that they violated the policy of his employer resulting in a negative outcome for not only himself and his employer, but the person he was paid to protect. So surely you must think he should at least lose his job, right? I await your answer with bated breath.

        1. There’s been some argument that the cop didn’t apply a chokehold per the definition, but rather had his arm around the guy’s neck (no, they’re not the same thing).

          Having said that there may be a dispute as to whether the cop in fact applied a chokehold, if it turns out that he did, then yes, he violated department policy and ought to be terminated.

          And by the way, it’s baited, not bated. If you’re going to go snarky, try to do so properly.

      4. Also

        S 125.15 Manslaughter in the second degree.
        A person is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree when:
        1. He recklessly causes the death of another person;

        3. “Recklessly.” A person acts recklessly with respect to a result or
        to a circumstance described by a statute defining an offense when he is
        aware of and consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk
        that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The risk
        must be of such nature and degree that disregard thereof constitutes a
        gross deviation from the standard of conduct that a reasonable person
        would observe in the situation. A person who creates such a risk but is
        unaware thereof solely by reason of voluntary intoxication also acts
        recklessly with respect thereto.

        Using a choke hold when you were trained not to specifically because it is dangerous would certainly seem to rise to the level of “reckless” under the law.

        1. Note that negligent homicide would seem to carry a minimum sentence of 1.5 years. For 2nd degree manslaughter it is 3 years.

      5. S FY.TW

        None of the above laws apply to law enforcement officers.

    3. Last I checked killing somebody can be an illegal act. The method of killing is irrelevant but thanks for playing.

      1. you rebut your own point: killing somebody CAN be an illegal act, but isn’t necessarily illegal.

    4. If it’s against NYPD policy, then they weren’t doing it on police biz. Since it wasn’t police biz, it’s battery.

  10. “He (Dossi) deals with some crappy people every day and getting no support (from the mayor), come on….”

    What the hell? The Mayor is visiting your son in the hospital. What the fuck do you want? For the Mayor to say sorry for pointing out the indisputable fact that there are people upset about the Garner decision in NYC?

    Fucking crybabies. I’m sick of their shit.

    1. The Mayor is visiting using your son for a photo-op in the hospital.

      Shouldn’t this require “affirmative consent”?

  11. They can’t be fired for turning their back on the mayor or telling the press he’s against them, and probably for good reason.

    I’m having a real hard time coming up with any good reason for this. In any other profession, disrespecting your employer in public can be grounds for immediate termination. I understand that they as public employees have First Amendment protection but it’s not like they’re whistleblowing or complaining about the implementation of specific policies (which should probably be protected); they’re outright disrespecting the authority of the Mayor’s Office over their actions (and, by extension, the people who elected the Mayor).

    1. Booyah unions!

  12. Ed Krayewski? This deBlasio/NYPD rift didn’t start with Garner. It started when Big Bird early on literally gave Al Sharpton a seat at the table alongside Bratton when he announced his plans to change the NYPD’s policing policies, and let Sharpton rip the NYPD while deBlasio and Bratton never once rebutted Sharpton’s vitriol. No NYC cop trusted Big Bird–or Bratton–from that point on.

  13. A Sandinista supporter and Al Sharpton railing against Police Brutality is rich.

  14. It’s really too bad that the number of cops killed and number of firefighters killed on 9/11 wasn’t reversed.

    1. How many were actually killed on 11/9, then?

  15. New York cops are pigs. The entire PD is totally corrupt and most of the pigs are violent thugs. Let’s not forget the murder of Lerner and before that the NYPD motorcycle gang that terrorized the streets of NY and ripped the door off a minivan and beat the driver in front of his family just a few months ago. How about the former NYPD cop of the year who was busted in Florida in December for dealing cocaine, and the list goes on – just google it.

    I expect more of the pigs to be shot. Many of them deserve it and revenge is a good motivator. (Hell, Bush used it to start two wars.) Pass the popcorn.

  16. Stupid punk cops. they need to get over themselves.

    http://www.Way-Anon.tk

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